I understand that an effeminate dude is rare. All the factors that need to line up, bone structure, facial structure, hormonal imbalances, etc, in order to make a dude look girly is rare. but i have yet to see a SINGLE instance of a dude who looks really effeminate naturally.

I've seen girls who look manly. I've seen girls look girly. I've seen guys look manly. but I'm not seeing guys who look girly.

There are some who get part of the way there, but i mean naturally; no E, no orchi, no fluff. Not the best example but sort of like picrel. why is that physique pretty much nonexistent? surely at least some would have it.

effeminacy is behavioral
anyone can get plastic surgery, voice train, put on a dress
but fagcent you are either born with or not - and if you try to fake it - it sounds awful (see: contrapoints' voice)

>>40543331 (OP)
This shit again? Jesus Christ dude get help

>>40543331 (OP)
if you want ur twinks to look like exactly like girls just fuck girls jfc

>>40543353
well yeah, some stuff is just genetic. thats what im meaning to ask, even though i understand its rare, how come there are no real life examples of that?

>>40543373
you dont get it anon.

>>40543331 (OP)
GIWTWM (pic)

>>40543373
It's not hot if it isn't a twink

>>40543331 (OP)
doesn't the manwha literally hint at his sister stunting his growth to make him cuter or am I remembering wrong? ikik it's drawn so it's whatever, but using this as an example would be funny then

>>40543462
From what I read, he stunted his own growth; smoked a lot in middle school, ate like shit. she just makes him do a skincare routine every morning when he's asleep. as for the body, i guess its just genetics.

>>40543431
I agree.

>>40543331 (OP)
they exist but as you've said it's super rare, i've browsed plenty of femboy/twink porn to have a seen a few examples of freakishly feminine built guys with hips way wider than shoulders, hairless and soft facial features

>>40543603
>i've browsed plenty of femboy/twink porn to have a seen a few examples of freakishly feminine built guys

where? at this point even porn would be nice. every single trans or femboy i see on twitter is always lacking in some degree. but the thing ive noticed that pretty much no one has is the hips to waist ratio. they might have the fair skin, the soft lips and sometimes even the feminine face, but the femme body just doesnt exist it seems.

>>40543370
>my sexuality is based on a drawing
He'll troon out in a year

>>40543331 (OP)
Yeah I'm sometimes kind of jealous of natural femboys. But no way in hell was I taking my chances of finishing male puberty and most likely losing my femininity so I just trooned. Being a girl is fun 10/10 recommend

>>40543510
Oh right, you're correct I got it wrong. I think I mixed it up cause my headcanon was her giving him estrogen in his sleep too lmao

>>40543715
That physique is rare even amongst trans girls. i have yet to meet a trans girl who looks remotely close to that.

>>40543757
that would've been wild. i really hate reading ongoing stuff, wish it was fully released so i could binge read it and be satisfied.

>>40543767
forgot image

>>40543331 (OP)
>why don't i see any males who look like this 2d femboy drawn from female anatomy

>>40543636
not sure i can remember their usernames, twitter is a bad place to look for them try reddit instead also since we're on the topic of hips my highschool classmate was also a genetic anomaly like that, not an overtly feminine face but he had an egregiously fat ass just naturally

>>40543331 (OP)

>>40543431
could you speak to what exactly about it being a twink is hot? like why are these features hotter on a man?

>>40543872
male lips, also guaranteed they have a manly boney ass

>>40543331 (OP)
because its mostly not real or you dont notice them as men because theyre so girly .

>>40543872
who is this? the face is feminine / androgynous, but i wonder about the body. like the opposite of a butterface lol

>>40543989
>you dont notice them as men
Okay, they're not THAT feminine lol.

>>40543875
Its just rarity I guess. Like a unicorn. Also penis is hot

>>40543875
I've spoken about this in a diff thread, but I'll say it like this:

When a woman has a nice ass and body, it's cliche, it's predictable. Oh wow, big deal, you have wider hips, estrogen, bone structure, and fat naturally get stored in that area. Big whoop. A dude has a nice ass and tummy, now that's something special. That really gets my wheels turning.

That's what it is: uniqueness and rarity. also, the effort it takes for a trans girl or femboy to look effeminate is a lot more than if a girl does it, so that effort is something i appreciate. a lot.

bump

>>40543510
>smoked a lot in middles school, ate like shit
I did this and it didn't work :/

>>40545898
It is a comic bro. It’s gonna be unrealistic

>>40543767
I mean I started you goa I got just regular woman physique but flatter and taller. Which honestly works really well for androgynous fashion but is more androgynous woman than femboy lol

>>40546167
>I got just a regular woman physique

I highly doubt that chief. A regular woman has all those things going for her that I mentioned above. You’re saying you bridged that gap and look androgynous? Sorry, nice try pal. But I don’t believe it one bit. The numbers say you are lying :/

>>40543331 (OP)
i look like that picture and i am a male

idk what you're complaining about but pic related is LITERALLY the (male) author of the manga

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgitd2M8wdc

>>40543331 (OP)
Once again proof that testosterone is poison

>>40546299
Laughs in. .68 WHR and 28in under bust

>>40543331 (OP)
the boys who look like this avoid guys like you

>>40543903
at this point you're basically just being like "how come there are no boys who look like 10/10 girls without taking hormones???"

>>40547916
Are you sure about that anon

>>40548140
Can’t tell if this is a meme or what

>>40548276
0.68? Isn’t anything below 0.8 considered female, how did you get a ratio that low? Are you sure you didn’t mismeasure

>>40548732
Hahahahaha

>>40543331 (OP)
androgenic signalling is really potent and very hard to knock out fully. lots of people have various pathways impaired (notably boys with aspergers) but even if you as a male have very weak androgenic signalling you likely still have enough of it to make you on the more masc end of female proportions. even if your muscles and bones refuse to respond normally to androgens youre still gonna put on male fat at worst and menopausal female fat at best. youre still gonna respond to DHT and grow hair in places you dont want it. the sole exceptions to this are people with severe androgen receptor issues or Y chromosomal defects. hell, it really doesnt take a lot of androgenic effect to noticeably masculinise cis women.

>>40549706
Yeah that’s the kicker. But even that part you mentioned
>more masc end of female proportions

i don’t see even that online. Just guys who are a bit effeminate.

How do you know so much about this stuff?

>>40549135
I have really good fat distro so most of it goes to my butt.bItsvactuaply a bit of a problem because pants that fit my butt and hips just gap at the waist a lot. But also I was like a little below .75ish before HRT when I was 16. And my friends would made hour glass jokes about my figure when I wore tight tops.

>>40550052
But yeah I probably had some sort of hormone condition because my puberty was really late and I had gyno while underweight and it like hurt.

>>40543373
but girls don't have a little useless penis that leaks precum when I fuck them :(

>>40550052
Dude… guys have an average ratio of like 0.85. And girls have an average of 0.7. How the hell do you have an average that’s lower than that. That doenst make sense anon, maybe you measured wrong. Surely

>>40548140
the comments are hilarious

> I showed it to my friend and told him it was a boy, and he's been having a hard time these days...
> Give up. There is no light here.
> Ahh... I've finally crossed the event horizon...
> Finally, the gates of hell opened...
> Brother, why are you so beautiful...? ㅜㅠㅜㅠㅜㅠ I welcomed you to the monitor after completing the adult verification with a truly pious heart... Thank you
> It's embarrassing, but I got an "erection"...

>>40550158
Idk. Like I said my hips aren't as good as the number suggests because most of it is just because I store fat in my butt. But I do still have decent hips

>>40550021
>>i don’t see even that online. Just guys who are a bit effeminate.
very few people luck out and most of them wont post on here
>How do you know so much about this stuff?
i read about it. fun fact on the aspie thing, part of the pathology of autism is the maternal x chromosome reset process being utterly fucked up, which is why you get more male autists than female autists because males only have one X chromosome and cannot compensate for it being borked. in males autism has a habit of suffering degrees of damage to masculinising genes on the epigenetic level, impairing their ability to masculinise. most notably, aspies universally have CYP 450 1B1 and COMT issues which prevent their brains masculinising fully, but also impair the effectiveness of estrogens in them to an extent. conversely, this x chromosomal issue tends to masculinise those females who do wind up with autism.

>>40550200
Honest and pure lads lmao

>>40550276
I have a hard time believing that’s you. That’s just a girls hips. Is that really you? Nah ain’t no way

>>40550289
Thanks but it is. I am a hip luck shit like idk why but I had some decent ish hips preHRT even. It's kind of uncanny tho cause I still have long skinny twink hands and my face is androgynous so it looks mismatched.

But like I've been on HRT for 9 years since I was 16 so like yeah the stuff works

>>40550288
>very few people
Well if that other anon is telling the truth they might be one of those few. But surely it’s just some angle trick or smth

So you’re saying in some fucked up way, the most feminine dudes might be autistic? Lol. Thats pretty hilarious.
Why’re you reading up on that stuff anyways, are you autistic or smty

>>40550314
Ngl one thing that can make you more fem XXY does cause some behavior differences that could be misdiagnosed as autism

>>40550365
What kind of behaviour differences? Cuz if that other anon has those behaviour types maybe they are legit

>>40550398
Well I actually Google it real quick and it literally has 10% chance of autism if you have XXY

>>40550402
Oh geez. Now I’m really hoping that other anon comes back around, I wanna talk more to em. This is interesting I never knew that there’s an overlap between autism and feminine dudes lmaoooo

>>40550288
>universally have CYP 450 1B1 and COMT issues which prevent their brains masculinising fully, but also impair the effectiveness of estrogens in them to an extent
Interesting. Where may one read more about this?

Also think Anons might like this study https://jneurodevdisorders.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s11689-015-9109-6
>facial images were collected from 208 young adult males and females recruited from the general population
>measurements of these six features were compared for groups of young adults selected for ... levels of autistic-like traits.
Concluding
>males and females with high levels of autistic-like traits generally showed less sex-typical facial features than individuals with low levels of autistic-like traits.

Bueno. Androgynous looks are hotter than extreme masc or fem.

>>40551631
>https://jneurodevdisorders.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s11689-015-9109-6
I just read it. my only question is what do researchers gain out of researching this lmao. this is the kinda shit that republicans freak tf out about.

whats funny is that i do have a personal anecdote. in middle school one of my friends was autistic, and i remember us kissing once. i cant remember why.

>Androgynous looks are hotter than extreme masc or fem.
I do wonder though. Maybe its because my own appearance is very masculine that i view androgyny as feminine.

He still lives in the same area if i remember correctly, i wonder how he's doing.

>>40543331 (OP)

>>40543331 (OP)
i mean i regularly was gendered female in public a decade before hrt; even as my health declined

bullied for being feminine all thru childhood etc

>>40552815
Howdy weird religion lady. I think i've seen your pics posted before. just the face

>i regularly was gendered female in public
well, i can't quite recall what you looked like. but did u dislike that or like it

>>40543331 (OP)
another thing is it’s extremely hard to confirm. how do you know it isn’t just make up, or filters, or editing, or angles, or if it is partly those things and partly their body. there’s probably at least a few who are girly in face or body, but getting both naturally while on T and getting proof before T ruins them is exceptionally rare

>>40552999
>how do you know it isn’t just make up, or filters, or editing, or angles
There's this thing called getting to know the person lool.

Jokes aside though, as much as those things have become prevalent in modern day to 'catfish' or inflate one's appearance, eventually the truth will come out. if it turns out they were just using all of the above stuff you said to fake it, i'd just tell them they broke my trust and leave. simple as.

bump

bumpo

one think about this character that I don't really think is realistic is the breast development. even with hormonal imbalances, a dude wont grow breasts this large just like that.

bump

trump

>>40543636

I am amab and a WHR of .69 I have natural C cup tits and a 42 inch hips. My body hair distribution was completely feminine pre HRT, I started HRT after puberty.

You don't see us because we're high value we do not do porn or give free thirst traps away online on Twitter. High value women aren't plastic whores. I am loyal to my boyfriend and don't use social media or whore out on the internet.

>>40555366
>You don't see us because we're high value
That's kind of the issue, isn't it? I agree that using the internet to 'market' your body is a pretty dumb thing to do, but at the same time I have no clue where else to find such people. If I was looking for a cisgirl, there's plenty of places I can go to and start up organic conversations with them, get to know them for who they are, spend time with them, etc. But when it comes to the specific kind of transgirl / femboy I'm looking for, I don't even know where square 1 is at.

how did you meet your BF? What about him caught your eye?

>>40555408

We met at an EDM event and we were both clearly introverted and the only sober people there so we started talking and a few days later we fucked

>>40555628
ah. Well, good for you anon lol. EDM concerts are a wild place to be, I suppose I should go to some in my area.

>>40550276
Get checked for XXY or some intersex shit

>>40555836
Is their a point? I got good results and at least my bits were normal enough for a trainer that the SRS surgeon didn't say anything.

Like I guess it gives me cred in anti TERF arguments but otherwise meh

>>40555918
And like maybye I just had really good HRT results because I started at 16.

>>40555918
You got SRS? I've heard a lot of bad stories about those procedures, how did it turn out for you if you dont mind me asking.

>>40555975
Mid. I've complained about it on here before but don't want to get details when it's attached to a photo of me even with out face

>>40555988
Ah. I'm sorry to hear that. I've had one partner in the past who seemed to be the ideal one for me, but they started talking about wanting to get SRS. I'm sure the operations have advanced more in recent years, but I still can't shake the fact that a vagina is realllly complex. externally and internally. I just dont see modern science being able to replicate that yet, so I unfortunately had to part ways with them.

I understand the conundrum though, I want a very effeminate, girly AMAB partner. and yet I don't want them to get SRS. If it was safer, maybe. but then that thing that made them uniquely them would be gone in my eyes.

bump

>>40552991
ofcourse i liked it im trans

>>40550314
ye i got sperg diagnosis young. then i just didnt masculinise well during puberty. ive been bullied by cis girls in school for having small hands. then i realised i was into guys. then i learned hrt existed and eventually transitioned. male autism is often very fucking fagcoded, but nobody wants to acknowledge that because it upsets the social order if they cant call them disabled or wank over shit like the super male brain theory.

>>40551631

>>40556606
sorry meant to post more to this but hit submit by accident.

>study
checks out desu. a lot of autistic people grow their hair out and suddenly start looking pretty androgynous.

>>40551847
back in like, the 2000s to the mid 2010s this place was an absolute haven for spergs. what did said spergs do when they collectively got together in threads and ircs here? oh, they started having gay relationships, crossdressing, and taking HRT. istg if we took all social pressure off autists theyd probably be like 50% HRT enbies at least, maybe more.

the first guy i slept with also had ADHD

>>40556513
Poor lady, stuck with an unfortunate disease that results in the neck always being crooked.

>>40556606
How did you go from being being bullied to realizing you liked guys to starting HRT? Do you think one event caused the next, like a domino effect? or were they independent that might've happened regardless; ie if you weren't bullied you'd still transition.

>>40556643
>a lot of autistic people grow their hair out and suddenly start looking pretty androgynous.
Idk about a lot, ive met autisitic people and they just look like normal people. with long hair hahahaha

>the 2000s to the mid 2010s
damn, so youve been around for a hot minute to see all of this unfold, huh. that's crazy.

>theyd probably be like 50% HRT enbies at least
LOL, that's a wild number, idk. maybe like 5-10%.

>>40556687
i got bullied because people clocked i liked guys but wouldnt admit it. its kinda ok to be gay where i was, just not weak or femme. i was a weak gay kid, therefore i got bullied. i would also kind of behave in a way around guys that i can only describe as annoying and bratty. i liked male attention ig and i didnt like straight people.

the HRT is honestly just a matter of it being a better option. for a time i wanted to be a masc guy but when i got a shot at it i realised (a) i would never make it and (b) i fucking hated it, so i caved and took HRT. i started HRT at 29 and while im no passoid i am really not exactly an irredeemable hon, i just have things i need to work on to make it work. i think a lot of us are quite similar in that age barely masculinises us at all.

>Idk about a lot, ive met autisitic people and they just look like normal people.
do they though? actually take a look at them next time you see one, and then remember what a normal masculine male looks like. i think there are visible differences. i think most of the masculinisation of autistic males is probably GH vs estrogen secretion driven desu.

i started posting here in 2008, it was a very different community and i kinda despise what 2016 has done to this place.

in terms of numbers, i really do think that if you get enough spergs together and uninhibited somehow shit will get very gay very fast. theres a relatively well known aspie right wing pundit and professor tied in with the current UK far right grassroots who basically takes every opportunity to put on a wig and act like a theatre gay in his videos.

>>40556752
>bratty and annoying
Mischievous little fucker ain’t you lol

>i would never make it
As a pretty masculine guy myself, I can only imagine what it was like for you to look in the mirror and realize you couldn’t be a real man. Kind of cute.

>actually take a look at them next time you see one
While I don’t live near him anymore, there was this one autistic kid who went to the same high school as me. I should check up and see what he looks like up close.

>in terms of numbers, i really do think that if you get enough spergs together and uninhibited somehow shit will get very gay very fast.

That’s true for any group of guys in general? Dudes are horny fucks. Maybe autistic people just have a lower sense of social decency so act gay on impulse more easily

>>40556956
it was a bit less exciting than that. just kind of a "haha well fuck me then ig. guess ill go be a troon".

>That’s true for any group of guys in general?
not many dudes specifically want you to rail then and treat them like a princess. spergs meanwhile love that shit.
>Maybe autistic people just have a lower sense of social decency so act gay on impulse more easily
i actually dont think thats the case, i think autists project a lack of social decency as a sort of masking effort to hide their lacking masculinity. aside from like videogames and the historic stamp/train collection stuff, a lot of autists tend to have very non-masculine or outright feminine hobbies. ive known a lot of autists who knit or sew or are really into baking and such.

>>40557234
> not many dudes specifically want you to rail then and treat them like a princess. spergs meanwhile love that shit.

That’s exactly what I’m looking for, lol.

>a lot of autists tend to have very non-masculine or outright feminine hobbies
Do you think they develop these hobbies as a result of being socially ostracized / bullied? Because a common theme is that those hobbies are pretty introverted, can be done solo and in the comfort of one’s own home. Bullied into becoming a femboy, though. That’s pretty cute to imagine happening to a boy ngl lol

>>40557306
no i think its just intrinsic. as i said before sperg brains dont get fully masculinised, so theyre just more inclined towards female typical behaviours than the average male. the introversion is mostly from social isolation, spergs can be remarkably extroverted among their own kind as the photos of tranny meetups and polycules clearly show lol.

>>40557319
>>40557306
also just to tack on, its pretty common for gay autistic boys to get some level of female socialisation due to obvious fagbrain. theres a small subset of the natal female population who clock gay kids when theyre young and befriend them, and thereby expose them to a degree of female social experience. couple this with isolation from the boys and you get more quietly femme sensibilities if not mannerisms.

in my case i got a fair bit of this til puberty, and i think i basically viewed my grandmother as a rolemodel for most of my childhood.

>>40557319
The way you talk about these spergs makes them sound like the ideal partner for me, more or less. But at the end of the day, there is one concern. Or rather a few: the physique of the picture is: a cartoon first but: has some very feminine traits secondly. Feminine hip to waist ratio, fair skin, feminine facial structure. Some of these are obtainable rather easily, the fair skin, feminine lips, cuter hair and outfits. The other stuff is not so easy. That’s what I’m looking for, or at least smth close to it.

>>40557338
WHR is obtainable by doing a 12 month stint on pio and ideally prog after the first year of hrt. facial structure is a pita, but you should know fat and skin count for a hell of a lot here. id suggest looking into what a HIFU facelift is, because you can pretty much pay to demasculinise someones face for not a lot of money that way.

Why can’t you just man up and stop pretending to be something you are not?

>>40557330
I actually can attest to this. In grade 5 there was this skinny kid who looked a bit ugly but acted like a chick and was always chatting and talking with the girls in the class. I wasn’t in that school till the time high school rolled around, but I found out from mutual friends that he was gay.

There’s something so satisfying and cute about a person being born a boy, but his entire upbringing being feminine in one way or another.

>>40557354
What exactly is pio? Progesterone? How would that someone’s bone structure exactly. If I find someone I really like, I don’t mind paying some money for certain aesthetic things. But ultimately, I’m not one to fall in love with someone’s potential. There needs to be a solid base first you know? And of course, I don’t really want to be with someone if they’re all looks and zero personality. That’s not a fine time to have.

>>40557399
see >>40556606 and >>40556752

>>40557399
What do you mean

>>40557422
>>40557422
>What exactly is pio? Progesterone?
pioglitazone is a PPARy agonist that upregulates the creation of new small volume fat cells in feminine locations. it was made to treat diabetes patients, but eventually trannies realised its a great tool for feminising your fat distribution and some docs will even prescribe it to trannies now.

progesterone is a female hormone that boosts breast maturity, stem cell production, and fat cell lipid uptake in feminine areas. its essentially the third major hormone in female puberty after estrone, and estradiol. it should not be taken before the first year of HRT is complete, same with pio, as it may disturb the early effects of E2 and limit final results.

>How would that someone’s bone structure exactly.
prel is an afabs bone structure vs fat dist. as you can see actual bone structure isnt doing the heavy lifting here.

>>40557455
This seems like it’s a “become more feminine” procedure rather than a “become feminine” procedure. Right in another thread I saw someone talk about how they can’t wait to get PIO and posted their body. And even my waist was better than theirs. I felt bad for em.

That’s my issue again with the “potential”. I don’t mind my partner gettin these, but they have to already look nice beforehand. I didn’t have to take steroids and peptides and other PEDs to get where I am. But I know that if I did, I’d go way way further. That’s sort of what I’m thinking of when it comes to my partner.

Thanks for the info tho, I’m gonna remember that.

>>40557552
you cant think like this and get anywhere. its a fucking effort to achieve significant feminisation, and if you cant handle being a part of that you need to only date trannies whove already done that off their own backs.

>>40557569
ur talking to an eugenics obsessed incel who has a sperg fixation on natural femboys or something, he basically has a eunuch fetish but is too low iq to put a finger on it so he just makes deranged rants about how HRT/surgery is cheating and you need to have the body of a 12 year old boy after male puberty

>>40557582
yeah thats unlikely desu

>>40557569
You don’t understand a thing I’ve said. If you’ve read what I wrote in this thread you’d know that’s not what I said at all.

>>40557582
Nice of you to make broad, generalized assumptions about me. Says more about you than anything.

>>40557596
ya a big part of it for him is how rare it is for a boy to naturally have hyperfeminine bodystructure from what i've gathered.

best part is he's probably some balding chubby 30 year old dude from a third world country. wonder what he'd offer to this hypothetical unicorn boy lol besides weird genetic determinism objectification

>>40557569
>>40557582
You know what, I was a bit too harsh in my response. Let me word it a bit more clearly.

I made this post for 2 reasons:
1) to ask whether femboys / trans girls that look similar to the OP pic exist at all. It’s a 2D photo, so obviously there are differences. But I mean the gist of it: feminine waist to hip ratio, feminine body structure, feminine lips, face, hands, etc. so I’m asking IF they exist. People say they do, but I’ve never seen or met any who meet those criteria. Not even all of them, just some of them.

2) IF they do exist, where could I find them?

As the thread progressed and I responded to people, what I’m trying to say is that: I would like a partner who’s is above average in looks. I don’t expect them to look like they’re at the pinnacle of femboy or trans girls. But perhaps in the top 10%. The things they want to change, be it PIO or HRT or anti androgens, etc. I’m willing to help them with that.

I hope this clears it up.

>>40557622
I guess I type like I’m older, but I’m in my early 20s. I’m not balding, I’m not chubby, and I’m in the US. I’ve got a full head of luscious wavy hair (thanks dad), I’ve got a very physically fit body with defined musculature and I’ve got a nice cock (thanks god). It’s pretty vain for anyone to say “I have a good personality” so I won’t say that. But I’m decent at holding a convo.

>>40557647
>I’m asking IF they exist.
yeah, but theyre basicallly just people with currently recognised intersex conditions and theyve very rare. youre talking ovotestes or xxy karotype people.

>2) IF they do exist, where could I find them?
they usually dont want to be found, and where they exist they usually transition to stealth cispassing women.

>>40543331 (OP)
Guys that have this fiseek exist the problem is they are all like 15 max

>>40558044
nooo intersex ppl love being treated like mutant freaks by ppl like OP

>>40558044
>youre talking ovotestes or xxy karotype people.
Although my intention was initially guys born with certain genetic traits that made them appear more feminine, you are right. Those people would also fall within that category technically.

>they usually don’t want to be found
Im not going after someone who doesn’t want to be in a relationship, that’s just a dumb idea. But you saying that ALL of the people of those type don’t want to be in a relationship at all seems like a pretty generalized gesture, no?

>>40558223
I do not want anything to do with people that young. Above 20 only, since I myself am around that age.

>>40558226
Who’s treating them like freaks? Have you even asked me what I think about such people?

i'm natural femboy except i have chad shoulders (not really they are small compared to average but relatively)

Bump

>>40559494
How chad could they possibly be

>>40561579
like i have a tiny frame, tiny ribcage and waist and a fat butt so i have ideal fem whr naturally but then i also have idea male shoulder to waist ratio. yet i weigh like 125lbs lol
if i take pics chest down cropping out my shoulders i can look like your op picrel but then if i take pics with upper body i can look like a twinkchad too

>>40562325
That’s rather interesting lol. You’re feminine in all ways except the shoulders. What’s wider, your shoulders or your hips?

bump

>>40562801
shoulders i'm not on e .·´¯`(><)´¯`·.

is the artist of ur photo park gee??
(guy who made suicide boy webcomic)

>>40564521
yeah he is. I havent read suicide boy but I read his newest one, it's an interesting read.

>>40564022
wdym youre not on E? estrogen shrinks the shoulder width? i didnt know thats a thing

>>40564563
i don't want boobs, i'm just a femboy, it would be cringe. e can shrink shoulders if you're muscular to begin with

>>40564677
broad shoulders are not that big of a deal if the person is pretty effeminate in other aspects. to some its a dealbreaker but to me its not, what matters is their overall appearance still is feminine. But even that can be hard for many to achieve unfortunately.

>>40550128
Well twinks are usually better hung than average so neither do they

brump

>>40564521
>guy
park gee is a tranny

>>40565007
yess

>>40543331 (OP)
>but i have yet to see a SINGLE instance of a dude who looks really effeminate naturally.
Either you have ridiculous standards for what you consider a girly boy or you aren't look hard enough

>>40566707
2/10, elbows too pointy

>>40566745
trvke

>>40543331 (OP)
because T is waaaaaay stronger than E

>>40566541
I've not seen any source on this online

>>40566636
?

>>40566707
That's one guy who's video has been circulating for ages.

>>40566771
take anti androgens

>>40543331 (OP)
sauce on pic?

>>40566848
Parkgee

>>40566777
nigga just look at "his" youtube channel he's very open about being a non voice trained tranny, shows off the boobs sometimes

>>40567240
https://youtube.com/shorts/j0b2urFdSiE

>>40567263
It was joever the second we weren’t born Korean…

>>40567240
That is hilarious lol. That face really is feminine. I dont know how other people are but DESU i dont mind if my partner has a boyish voice. thats the least of my concerns.

>>40567263
You're right, he looks pretty much exactly like a chick. its kind of funny to think this is the guy drawing the situations his characters are in. I wonder if he fantasizes and wishes he was there instead.

>>40567289
Koreans have some of the highest levels of neotany in their populations. combine that with the strong emphasis they put on skincare and aesthetics, and you have pretty and skinny femboys.

>>40543331 (OP)
> dude look girly is rare. but i have yet to see a SINGLE instance of a dude who looks really effeminate naturally.
op forgot about Asians

>>40567381
How many Korean femboys have you actually seen or met? These are twinks at best. I haven’t. Funnily enough the closest I’ve seen now is the creator of the pictures I’ve been posting.

>>40567649
Just worked with a guy at a trade show from Toronto named David who looked like this

Rare but not impossible that's for sure. I've seen some very beautiful men.

>>40567701
I'm from Toronto, or at least I go there pretty often. How old was he?

>>40567729
That's the problem. Different people have different views of what I mean. I need to see that person for myself to know the truth.

Bump

Based on your preferences of hooni/iltak, I think what you are looking for is a 13 year old boy.

>>40550276
go on estrogen NOW. before it's too late.

>>40568236
Wrong. I have zero interest in underage people. That’s gross.

>>40568256
I think they already did and even got SRS done

is it possible for a man to grow a womb inside on him and even have breast milk during transition?
'cause I once saw a porn video of a femboy spurting milk out of his nipple and I thought that would be possible for a man to do that too in case if he's not a pooner or smth.

>>40568424
A womb in femboys? Not possible. But lactation is. Prolactin and estrogen therapy can cause it. There’s also some medications that can induce it. It’s not to the point of breast milk like women, it’s more like a very small amount.

bump

>>40557552
Thats a wrong way of thinking imo because youre literally taking exgonous hormones.

>>40558324
They dont want to be found ie they dont want to be found by people looking for some holy grail femboy

>>40571576
There’s a post I made in a different thread that sums up my attitude towards them

“It's really fucking sad that that's how most people are who are attracted to twinks and femboys. They see it as something to be used and abused for their own pleasure. I grew up with a twink guy in high school, and I really wish I could have shown him the affection he deserved. Unfortunately, I moved away, but spending so much time with someone like that and seeing what they had to go through gave me a newfound appreciation for them. people who have that kind of youthful beauty are not meant to be sexually used and objectified. They should be cherished and loved. That's such a unique thing to have, especially in guys. It just boggles my mind that people see that and think, I want to fuck that. It's like, that is such a beautiful person, why is the first thing your mind goes to sex? It's pretty stupid. I really wish I could find out where my friend is now because I'd want to meet him again. I thought about our friendship in the past a lot and realized he was throwing subtle hints at me seeing as I was the only guy in his life who accepted him for who he was. I haven't been able to find someone else with that kind of beauty in a long time.”

I think of that whole situation very differently compared to most.

>>40571565
Yeah, people who workout will take creatine, they’ll take supplements, they’ll take peptides and in some cases hormones. How is this any different

>>40571723
you need to try to find him!

>>40572394
It’s been a long time. I don’t think it’s a good idea to suddenly come into someone’s life, especially with the intentions of them being a feminine bottom. It doenst feel organic. I say I like the physiques I’m sending, but the people who look like that are ultimately human. Showing up with the intention of anything but being friends is a bit disingenuous, so I don’t know. If I see him on the street or in passing I’d say hi. But I wouldn’t seek him out, no.

>>40572549
if it doesn't feel right, then good call.
i was reacting based on this:
>I really wish I could find out where my friend is now because I'd want to meet him again. I thought about our friendship in the past a lot and realized he was throwing subtle hints at me seeing as I was the only guy in his life who accepted him for who he was. I haven't been able to find someone else with that kind of beauty in a long time.

>>40573303
It’s not that it doesn’t feel right. It’s that the ship has sailed. If I meet him again normally, I’ll talk to him. But I won’t seek him out. I’d rather try and meet other people who are like minded and fit my tastes.

>>40573960
as long as you're both still alive the ship hasn't sailed. if he meant something to you then you probably meant something to him too, and he might still think of you, you never know.

>>40574087
It's a bit of a slippery slope. If I go to meet him and try to seek him out, then there'll be that subconscious intention in the back of my mind of what I want my relationship with him to be like. It wouldn't be organic. And if he's anything like what I remember, he's a bit of a pushover and would just go along happily with whatever, which I don't want to be the case. I'd rather find someone else.

>>40543331 (OP)
they exist but that kind of feminine look only comes from holding yourself a certain way, not being fat while also being in shape enough that you arent just skeletal. honestly a ton of dorky skinny nerdy guys could pull this off if they didnt have fuckedawful posture (hot twinks dont have shrimp posture or turkey neck) and of course some meat on their legs and ass.

>>40576890
>they exist but that kind of feminine look only comes from holding yourself a certain way, not being fat while also being in shape enough that you arent just skeletal.

It's not just a matter of weight, there is the bone structure and genetics that play a part. any dude can become very slim, but not everyone looks good while being slim.

>a ton of dorky skinny nerdy guys could pull this off
well if they aint, i aint about to force them. someone irl suggested to me that I should find a rather reserved and submissive boy and 'mold' him into my ideal gf. as fun as that can sound from a sexual POV, i dont know how well that would go. I'd rather get with someone who's already made some progress so I know we are aligned, rather than me trying to convince / force someone to submit to my goals. sexual submission is a totally diff thing.

Twink bottoms belong to twink tops and we just hole up with each other forever and stay off the dating market and out of the hands of grubby bipedo twinkchasers

I've run out of parkgee images, the rest of his stuff is just younger looking characters that I have no interest in.

>>40577522
What about the twink bottoms who are not into twink tops? Besides, why would I go for a twink bottom if they're not into me lol. the whole point of a relationship is emotional reciprocity.

>>40577555
Bottoms are into whoever pursues, seduces and claims them and fucks them right and loves them right. Attraction is sparked through action, emotional reciprocity is created and built through action. I guess you could take that more as advice than a comeback if you want to

>>40577574
holy trvke

>>40577574
I don't disagree with anything you're saying. I know that's true because that's how I went about my previous relationships. but right now I'm not going to chase every bottom I see, just the ones that suit my tastes.

>>40543510
>>40543462
He didn't stunt his own growth, he just underwent female puberty.

>>40543331 (OP)
Plenty do, but the standard set for "effeminate" most women don't even clear without utilizing stuff like make up, clothing, fitness etc.
Go look at pictures of women from war time look at the average one, you can usually tell they're women but there's hardly anything effeminate about them.

>>40550158
Do you know how averages work retard? There are tons of outliers, there always will be thousands of women with a >1 WHR and thousands of men with a <0.6 WHR

>>40577779
I dont think thats the case anon lol.

>>40577853
Where is this PLENTY? I've met and spoken to many cisgirls, cisguys, trans girls, femboys, etc. but none that look like that. some do come close, but the ones that have been spot on tend to be using angles and editing. But in theory such people should exist. and people on this board keep reiterating that they do exist, so the question is where are they?

>>40577886
hahahaha. I agree, but its much more unlikely for men to have such a low WHR compared to women. body fat% also contributes to WHR and most people are not on the slimmer side.