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Can you refute this without sounding mad?
Anonymous No.40701021 >>40701101 >>40701459 >>40702764
>>40701017 (OP)
no because i'm not going to read it
Anonymous No.40701026 >>40701053 >>40701116 >>40704738
>>40701017 (OP)
>i only accept gnc when i can easily recognize its genitalia and my penis go up
Anonymous No.40701032
>>40701017 (OP)
idk I ain't reading all that
Anonymous No.40701041 >>40702751
I get the sense that if these people were victorious over trannies, they would be banning cis boys playing with Barbie dolls 5 minutes later.
Anonymous No.40701043 >>40701065 >>40702175
>>40701017 (OP)
I agree with it
Anonymous No.40701049 >>40701061
i wanna look like a woman, dress like a woman and my traits and hobbies are pretty feminine
i love like a woman does too, and even though im not a real one and never will be it just makes sense for me personally to be trans, idk how else to say it
Emily of 4chan !vOczjEBNSI No.40701051 >>40701053
>>40701017 (OP)
tl:dr
Anonymous No.40701053
>>40701051
>>40701026
Anonymous No.40701061 >>40701126
>>40701049
>i love like a woman does
how does a woman love? how does it differ from how a man loves?
Anonymous No.40701065 >>40701102 >>40701140
>>40701043
Also I'm a tranny btw I believe you can agree that transgender ideology is sexist and harmful while also being on hormones to change your sexual characteristics. It's not contradictory unless you believe that changing your hormones necessarily implies a belief in all the gender soul nonsense
Anonymous No.40701073 >>40701096 >>40701141 >>40704306
>>40701017 (OP)
this argument falls apart completely when you account for the way they say intersex people should be treated, that is: forced on hormones and surgery to make their bodies conform
they're trying to enforce uniformity on people's bodies by forcing intersex people and restricting trans people, and using a bullshit smokescreen to pretend they're not. how is physical non-conformity different from social non-conformity? it isn't, and it's ridiculous to pretend they're opposed or exclusive to each other.
our position is that a person's body belongs to themselves, that pressuring or coercing people into making changes to their bodies, avoiding changes to their bodies, or changing their presentation socially is morally wrong
Anonymous No.40701076 >>40704072
>>40701017 (OP)

Bridget IS David Reimer.

Trannies worshiping Bridget is all you really need to know about transgenderism.
Anonymous No.40701095 >>40702751
>>40701017 (OP)
How about this: I want to have a female body without necessarily having female hobbies?
Anonymous No.40701096 >>40701113
>>40701073
i don't understand sorry
>when you account for the way they say intersex people should be treated, that is: forced on hormones and surgery to make their bodies conform
why should they be forced to do that? also intersex people are an exception.
i have a hard time following your argument
Anonymous No.40701101
>>40701021
BASED
Anonymous No.40701102
>>40701065
this
hell i can call myself a manly man while having c cups if i want to
Anonymous No.40701107 >>40701116 >>40701143
>15 REPLIES
>0 DEBUNKINGS
TACTICAL NUKE ENABLED
Anonymous No.40701113 >>40701144
>>40701096
>why should they be forced to do that?
they shouldn't
>also intersex people are an exception
an exception to what?
>i have a hard time following your argument
sorry that you're retarded
Anonymous No.40701116
>>40701107
Ermm
>>40701026
nusoichuds cant read because of their leaking xlitty it seems
Anonymous No.40701126
>>40701061
hard to describe if you haven't experienced it

a protective love compared to a nurturing love i guess
Anonymous No.40701140 >>40701190 >>40701210 >>40701439 >>40702880
>>40701065
"Transgender ideology" is a meaningless phrase that purports gender dysphoria is some kind of philosophy that only exists in abstract rather than a neurochemical deviation between brain sex and chromosomal sex. I could just as well call literally all gender roles "gender ideology" and have it mean the same thing.
There is a discussion to be had about misogyny and sexism in the context of transitioning, however by and large the cis people talking about "gender ideology" are not at all interested in combatting sexism and misogyny, or even "protecting the children" as is their favorite rhetorical shield, but are interested in enforcing control over people they percieve as having stepped too far out of bounds. They have 0 genuine interest in entertaining or treating with respect any of the real life masculine women or feminine men that they float as whataboutisms.
Anonymous No.40701141 >>40701183 >>40703054
>>40701073
>intersex
this doesnt prove that gender suddenly isnt a social construct
all it means is that a small amount of people arent men nor women
Anonymous No.40701143
>>40701107
post something that's actually controversial
Anonymous No.40701144 >>40701183
>>40701113
>when you account for the way they say intersex people should be treated, that is: forced on hormones and surgery to make their bodies conform
>they're trying to enforce uniformity on people's bodies by forcing intersex people and restricting trans people
how does the original text imply this
hyena No.40701153 >>40701178 >>40701411 >>40703054
>>40701017 (OP)
by saying "i know" and id-ing as a trap
hyena No.40701178 >>40701372 >>40701411
>>40701153
adendum. femboys are a gay pedo cult
Anonymous No.40701183 >>40701219
>>40701141
now read the rest of what i said, about the way society treats intersex people compared to trans people, and they way our differing treatment reveals plainly that the goal is enforcing conformity, not respecting individuality
>>40701144
by omitting mentioning the treatment of intersex people while discussing gender and sex variance they made it clear they agree with the standard position in our society, forcing intersex people to conform to an assigned sex
Anonymous No.40701190 >>40701286 >>40701439
>>40701140
>I could just as well call literally all gender roles "gender ideology" and have it mean the same thing
I am that anon and I do this. People are compelled to play into gender roles to gain social advantages. In that regard cis and trans people are the same. One kind simply prefers the gender roles aligned with their birth and the other doesn't, but it's still ideological for both.
Anonymous No.40701210 >>40701286
>>40701140
normal people don't want to be forced to participate in lies. you can stand in front of me and i will sense that you have or have had a dick, and so you asking me to call you a woman means you are asking me to lie to you, to myself, and to encourage your own delusion.
Anonymous No.40701219 >>40701252
>>40701183
>by omitting mentioning the treatment of intersex people
> The true prevalence of intersex is seen to be about 0.018%
again, nobody cares, everyone in society accepts that in very rare occasions rules don't apply, now go away.
hyena No.40701238 >>40701255
can you faggots give (You)s to me i just debunked it
Anonymous No.40701252 >>40701289
>>40701219
>true prevalence of intersex
huh, interesting phrase in that quote you copy pasted. i wonder why it specifies "true" like that? surely if it weren't up for debate it would just say "the prevalence" "the true prevalence" sounds like it was in response to something else claiming a greater prevalence
and again anon, what rules? i'm not talking about definitions, i'm talking about how intersex people are treated in society. is it the rule that it's wrong to force surgery on children? is that the rule that intersex people are an exception to? because i'm gonna have to disagree, i think it's still wrong to force surgery on a child even when it's to make that child's body conform to the sex binary
Anonymous No.40701255 >>40701276
>>40701238
wdym you said you are a trap, nobody has an issue with traps. i would fuck you. it's what the text means. (a trap is a man who larps as a woman, knowing he is a man)
Anonymous No.40701263
>>40701017 (OP)
probably but thats a BIG wall of text and i can hear the smug dickhead through your keyboard so i wont
hyena No.40701276
>>40701255
this is an acceptable way of skinwalking women to people. i will trick everyone and walk into womens bathrooms and when someone finds out i will say i am a trap. i will profit from female privilege while not having the ability to give birth, making rape completely meaningless outside of STIs. nobody can entrap me into a relationship or hold the life of my baby over my head bc i am a creepy man
Anonymous No.40701286 >>40701321 >>40701432 >>40701439
>>40701190
And yet, when people make arguments like OP's post, we know that they are not actually interested in combatting sexism or gender roles. To do so would require to take aim at the superstructure that supports sexism, i.e. formulate critique at the patriarchy and its beneficiaries. By failing to do so and instead focusing on an incredibly small population with horrible optics, they have instead shown that this is about social control over a group that has stepped outside of the social bounds of the very gender roles they purport to fight against. Their actual issue is with us taking hormones or taking any steps to relieve dysphoria at all, not how we formulate our personal identities
>>40701210
See how quickly sexism and misogyny are dropped from the conversation, and instead we are pivoted to some kind of moral OCD that is made incumbent upon us to manage for people like this?
As for this anon I'm now replying under, in a scenario where we are expecting regular interaction and proximity (say, coworkers) I would happily work to find something suitable and respectful to both of us. However your issue seems with transgender people writ large, which is something I cannot help you with. If our existence as a whole brings you distress I believe you may be exacerbating your own concerns about transgender people by visiting this board.
Anonymous No.40701289 >>40701318 >>40701359
>>40701252
i just copy pasted this from google when trying to find the prevalence of intersex. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12476264/

i don't know what happened to you, sucks, unlucky. my point is that intersex is a very rare condition while transgenderism is a common mental illness, they are a different discussion and this discussion is about transgenderism.
Anonymous No.40701318 >>40701327
>>40701289
>i just copy pasted this from google when trying to find the prevalence of intersex
yeah, and then you cut out just the figure you wanted and omitted all context
literally anyone can see you refusing to engage with the point anon, you're not even fooling yourself
Anonymous No.40701321 >>40701368 >>40701393
>>40701286
>when people make arguments like OP's post, we know that they are not actually interested in combatting sexism or gender roles
That's all external to the text of the argument
sage No.40701324
>transgenderism
Stopped reading there

Consider reading Wikipedia, my brain disorder isn't political unless you make it so
Anonymous No.40701327 >>40701364
>>40701318
maybe read what the study says? it refutes the original number.
Anonymous No.40701344 >>40701447 >>40701447 >>40701447
>>40701017 (OP)
sure, why not. I'm bored.
to start, the opening argument doesn't stand on it's own.
>Transgender ideology is built on self hatred and the religious worship of shallow, sexist stereotypes.
there's no supporting evidence for this anywhere in the text, it's presented as the author's opinion. same with other statements like the "transgender cult" enforcing strict gender limitations. most of the rest is derived from these points. the posts also demonstrate a clear misunderstanding of gender dysphoria, mistaking it as a political movement meant to control the actions of others instead of a medical condition with a physical and behavioral treatment. if the author(s) were to discuss gender with a trans person irl they would probably find themselves agreeing on many things, since the views opposed by the text are also opposed by most trans people.
in summary: erm, source?????
Anonymous No.40701359 >>40701371 >>40701429
>>40701289
Nta but how is transgenderism "common", per the Williams institute as of 2022 1.3 million people identified as transgender in the US, putting us as 0.4% of the population, and that is just *identifies*, while it's hard to get data on this we can assume that a not insignificant portion of this population are people who have no desire or plans to meaningfully transition, making it an even smaller fraction of less than 1% of the population.
Anonymous No.40701364
>>40701327
yeah, one study refutes the number by limiting their consideration of what counts as intersex to specifically ambiguous genitals. you've clearly proven that the surgeries forced on intersex people are completely unrelated to attempts to prevent trans people from transitioning. well done.
Anonymous No.40701368 >>40701393 >>40701394
>>40701321
Read the sentence after, it is obvious from the text of the argument.
Anonymous No.40701371 >>40701377
>>40701359
btw you should point out that %0.19, his percentage for "true intersex" is around half the number of people who id as trans
Anonymous No.40701372 >>40701385 >>40703054 >>40708723
>>40701178
cope, scared bitch boy.
remember that femboys outnumber you by the millions. trans shit doesnt exist in asia.
Anonymous No.40701377 >>40701406
>>40701371
missing a 0 bro
hyena No.40701385 >>40701395
>>40701372
i am a femboy. it just so happens that femboys are a pedo cult. it also happens that im into shotas
Anonymous No.40701393 >>40701409
>>40701321
Sorry but I just don't agree that we shouldn't contextualise arguments around sexism and misogyny and who is arguing for what, and why.
>>40701368
Agreed.
Anonymous No.40701394 >>40701423 >>40701714
>>40701368
I just don't see it. If the OP argues that it's okay for men to do anything a woman does and vice versa then the argument itself is anti-sexist. It's probable that whoever wrote it is a hypocrite and doesn't follow what they preach but what they said is not inherently wrong.
Anonymous No.40701395 >>40701430
>>40701385
>discord trannies started paying for their own version of jidf to play controlled opposition
LMAO
Anonymous No.40701406
>>40701377
god fuck sorry i misread a statistic clearly you're right intersex people are super duper rare basically nonexistant and the reality of how they're treated in our society isn't worth examining in relative to trans people
Anonymous No.40701409 >>40701714
>>40701393
>we shouldn't contextualise arguments around sexism and misogyny and who is arguing for what, and why
depends on the context. A bait thread on the anonymous gender changing forum is not worthy of that kind of attention.
Anonymous No.40701411 >>40701434 >>40701504 >>40702945
>>40701153
>>40701178
unrelated to the rest of the thread, but it’s crazy how reddit trannies practically eliminated the term trap from common parlance without any pushback from e-rightists, “femboy” is such a lame dogshit replacement term
Anonymous No.40701420
“Transgenderism” has been around way longer than “gender ideology.” Priests of the Cybele cult were cutting their balls off and living as women back in 100AD. We’re not new.
Anonymous No.40701423 >>40701475
>>40701394
>If the OP argues that it's okay for men to do anything a woman does
it doesn't though, women take estrogen and get breast augmentations and vaginoplasties and facial feminization surgeries, and the op image is an argument for why trans women shouldn't be able to do any of that
Anonymous No.40701429 >>40701499
>>40701359
I may have done the math wrong but if not, picrel means 97% of that 0.4% don't medically transition. making us about 0.01% of the population.
hyena No.40701430
>>40701395
anon wtf are you talking about im just incredibly mentally ill. not everythings a glowie op. i just acknowledge bipedos are real and that im probably in that category for wanting to be an effeminate male
Anonymous No.40701432 >>40701714
>>40701286
>your issue seems with transgender people writ large
yes i would agree that i do not believe in the idea that gender is not bound to sex and that sex is immutable outside of very rare exceptions. if it makes you feel any better i come here to present aggressive arguments for the sake of potentially learning new perspectives (thoughbeit this thread has not delivered so far)

>Their actual issue is with us taking hormones or taking any steps to relieve dysphoria at all
yes
Anonymous No.40701434 >>40701467
>>40701411
they didn't, people stopped saying trap because it was obviously homophobic
Anonymous No.40701439 >>40701465
>>40701140
>>40701190
>>40701286
That reading of "gender ideology" was already refuted in the 1940s. We're doing timeloops, except lets be honest, it's because people participating in the discourse have become uneducated morons.
Anonymous No.40701447 >>40701538 >>40701607 >>40704454
>>40701344
>>40701344
>there's no supporting evidence for this anywhere in the text, it's presented as the author's opinion.
...ok?
>>40701344
>same with other statements like the "transgender cult" enforcing strict gender limitations
he is right, many trannies despise femboys and traps as they feel it threatens their existence. by telling them to convert to a female they ask of them to act like an average of the XX chromosome, dislike the sex they were born as, and take a drug as there are a lot of trannies that dont see people without HRT as real trannies. before your
>but dats not what we believ tho
pedanticism, its still what a lot of you believe, directly caused by the things OP stated in the text that wouldnt exist otherwise

> mistaking it as a political movement
it is
'gender' is political
the modern definition was invented by john money
Anonymous No.40701459
>>40701021
FPBP and same
Anonymous No.40701465
>>40701439
Refuted how?
Anonymous No.40701467
>>40701434
in any case, it’s weird how basically everyone switched to using “femboy” regardless of political affiliation
Anonymous No.40701475 >>40701537
>>40701423
>the op image is an argument for why trans women shouldn't be able to do any of that
where does it say that?
I agree that males should grow breasts and get vaginoplasty if they want to, because I'm a principled anti-sexist.
Anonymous No.40701496 >>40701525
>>40701017 (OP)
This post ignores the distress caused by gender dysphoria which you'll say doesn't exist, but your opinion is irrelevant.
>there's no reason a man can't fulfil the same roles as a woman
Except the the society that'll shun you, call you a pervert, a paedophile and commit hate crimes against you. The "gender critical" feminists cry havoc whenever they sea a "man in a dress" regardless of how s/he identifies.
Anonymous No.40701497
>>40701017 (OP)
>the man who came up with gender ideology
Wrap it up....
Anonymous No.40701499
>>40701429
IIRC those are based on how many people visit medical clinics, so it’s probably a significant underestimate. However, even surveys find that less than a third of the transgender population is actually medically transitioning, so there’s an upper bound of about 0.133%.
hyena No.40701504 >>40701594
>>40701411
i agree wholeheartedly anon. the term femboy is infantilizing and weird. they need it because theyre so ugly they aint trapping anyone anytime soon XD
Anonymous No.40701525
>>40701496
Yup. GCs’ idea of a “feminine man” is a husband who helps out around the house; it’s almost like their idea of gender liberation is informed by what would benefit them personally.
Anonymous No.40701537
>>40701475
>where does it say that?
well see anon, in our society we are discussing whether or not trans people should be able to transition. anything said in our society on the topic of transgender people is a statement made on this argument, because that is the context it exists within.
why would i even have to respond to it if their beliefs were the same as mine, that people should be able to transition on an informed consent basis.
hyena No.40701538
>>40701447
femboys do the same shit constantly lmao. theyre both insecure at eachother for the same reasons
Anonymous No.40701594 >>40701744
>>40701504
I wonder if “femboy” also caught on with the right because rather than implicitly describing its subject as *something* that passes for a woman, it explicitly describes its subject as a kind of boy and doesn’t implicitly require passing.
Anonymous No.40701607 >>40701804
>>40701447
>...ok?
do I actually have to explain why that's bad? you were supposed to learn that writing middle school essays...
>he is right
another anonymous poster saying "but he's right tho" is not valid evidence for the argument. you can say whatever you want, but unless you can back it up it's just going to turn into a "nuh uh, nuh uh" thing and waste everyone's time.
>'gender' is political
>the modern definition was invented by john money
first off, yeah fuck that guy. second, invented is not the same as described. third, a thing having been politicized doesn't mean that thing isn't actually real.
Anonymous No.40701683 >>40701694 >>40702933 >>40709112
>>40701017 (OP)
the existence of physical dysphoria about specific sex characteristics refutes this plebbit wall of text. retarded chud made up some shit in his own mind about how trans people work and why they transition and then got mad about it. many such cases
Anonymous No.40701694 >>40701730 >>40702288
>>40701683
>physical dysphoria
oxymoron
Anonymous No.40701700
>>40701017 (OP)
It simply doesn't match my lived experience with transition! Gendering is something other people do to you. I didn't start by saying "I'm a woman and therefore I must take estrogen and grow out my hair and wear feminine clothes", I started by saying "I would like to take estrogen and grow out my hair and wear feminine clothes" and then society applied the woman label for me.
Anonymous No.40701714
>>40701409
And yet here we are.
>>40701394
Except the OP completely zooms right past why people transition in the first place and latches onto this 1950s transsexualism of gender dysphoria where they DID only allow you to transition if you would become a masculine man or feminine woman, both fitting into the role of "straight". I can't say the argument is anti-sexist if it is merely using anti-sexism as a cudgel against the transgender population.
>>40701432
>potentially learn new perspectives
We exist pretty far outside the bounds of normal problems people can empathize with, and despite overblown exposure we remain a small population. It is immensely difficult to convince someone that something we experience completely internally is real, in much the same way people experiencing chronic physical pain have a hard time convincing anyone whose skeptical that their pain is real. Anyone can play armchair psychoanalysis and pick out any number of different reasons why an individual's reported experiences are false and instead some other reason that justifies continued adherence to societal standards is true.
I don't know if you dismiss these kinds of sources out of hand, but here's a well cited NIH study on the neurobiological aspects of gender dysphoria
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6677266/
I only bring it up because again, I find people who are skeptical of people's personal testimony regarding gender dysphoria are not going to be convinced by *my* personal testimony, and I don't think arguing for the kind of libertine ideals of bodily autonomy and self determination really address what people's root problem with us is, that they have no way of understanding what our reasons for being transgender and become very anxious about an other they can't understand and fill in their own, anxiety fueled reasons.
Anonymous No.40701730
>>40701694
disincorporate yourself dualist. the brain is a physical object
hyena No.40701744 >>40701757
>>40701594
absolutely. its the ultimate cope until you pass. a lot like taking e
Anonymous No.40701757 >>40701775
>>40701744
that's retarded and you're a retarded tranny. a tranny is a tranny with or without hormones or surgeries. it's in your brain, not on your face
hyena No.40701775
>>40701757
anon idk what ur talking about stop schizoposting. im not a troon and iwnbaw
Anonymous No.40701804 >>40701857 >>40702030
>>40701607
>do I actually have to explain why that's bad? you were supposed to learn that writing middle school essays...
he gave arguments to support his claim. this isnt a fucking objective scientific thesis you midwit. i bet you watched vaush talk about logical fallacies and think what you said genuinely means something.
>another anonymous poster saying "but he's right tho" is not valid evidence for the argument. you can say whatever you want, but unless you can back it up it's just going to turn into a "nuh uh, nuh uh" thing and waste everyone's time.
no argument
>first off, yeah fuck that guy. second, invented is not the same as described.
he invented the description which became the modern definition therefore he invented the definition. christ.
everyone uses his definition now. so it's his fault; that's the original point.
>third, a thing having been politicized doesn't mean that thing isn't actually real.
never said that.
okay, the cure to gender dysphoria then is realizing that its actually dysmorphia and gender is made-up bullshit. theres the solution to your retarded logic.
Anonymous No.40701821
>>40701017 (OP)
the people who say this want to kill anyone who doesnt fit said sexist gender stereotypes. they are basically just mad people are trying to escape their wrath
Anonymous No.40701854 >>40701915
>>40701017 (OP)
>tomboys and femboys
tomboys are a personality. femboys are a porn object. it just goes to show that even these so called inclusive rightoids really just see feminine men as astolfo or whatever, and whenever a man who doesnt fit that image acts feminine they start frothing at the mouth with homicidal intent. just like every other normie. theyre all the same. the reason people troon is because being a man literally contradicts with femininity at its core, theres a reason androgyny is depicted as traditionally feminine, women are able to do what they want because femininity is more neutral whereas masculinity is very set in stone and extreme just like the effects of testosterone and if you look masculine you need to act masculine. if you look masculine and act feminine people will want to kill you and shove you in camps, this is the basis for all literally all transphobia aimed at mtfs
Anonymous No.40701857 >>40701860
>>40701804
>I bet you watch vaush
Nta but lmao this is how you know someone is mad when they have to go i bet you like this literal who no one mentioned because I dislike them too. Straight up playground behavior
Anonymous No.40701860 >>40701868
>>40701857
>nein argument
Anonymous No.40701868
>>40701860
Yeah cause Im not trying to argue with you Im just calling you an angry child. The anon you actually replied to can argue if he wants I just think you're in "I AM VERY SILLY" territory
hyena No.40701915
>>40701854
this is true. the moment right wingers have to deal with femboys they will immediately realize we are just as if not more groomy than troonies
Anonymous No.40702010
if you think gender identity is the equivalent of a amab liking barbies, then you have no idea what you're talking about.
gender identity is literally: you have a dick? you feel comfortable with your dick? male.
if you have no interest in srs then you are congruent in sex. transvestites aren't transsexuals.
transvestites, or transvestic fetishists, identify with their sex assigned at birth, but reinforce all those negative stereotypes you cry about by ascribing gender identity to simply wearing the clothes. they think a woman is a costume you can take off. hence their gender identity is still male.
Anonymous No.40702030 >>40702099 >>40703596 >>40703596
>>40701804
>he gave arguments to support his claim
arguments with no backing. here, this is how you do it. "Evidence serves as support for the reasons offered and helps compel audiences to accept claims." (https://www.comm.pitt.edu/argument-claims-reasons-evidence). without strong evidence, there's no reason for anyone to accept your claims in the first place.
>this isnt a fucking objective scientific thesis you midwit.
OP asked for a refutation. I'll take the fact you're resorting to name calling to mean I'm doing a good job?
>he invented the description which became the modern definition therefore he invented the definition.
yes but you seem to be mistaking, or at least conflating, a linguistic invention with a social invention. coming up with a word to describe something that already exists does not mean he created that thing itself.
>okay, the cure to gender dysphoria then is realizing that its actually dysmorphia and gender is made-up bullshit.
no, the treatment for gender dysphoria is transitioning. https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-well-being-of-transgender-people/
Anonymous No.40702033
>>40701017 (OP)
>y-you don't need to change your gender!
>ahahaha look at that faggot MAN! man up pussy!
this is what demonic conservatives do, they want to get you to concede ground so they can change their standard until they've dragged everyone back to hell. idc if i sound mad
Anonymous No.40702099 >>40702112 >>40702163 >>40702194
>>40702030
>you need to provide evidence!
no you don't. why do you think trump is president.
Anonymous No.40702102
>>40701017 (OP)
>why not just be a femboy
because I don't want to be balding and ugly at 30 dumbass
Anonymous No.40702112 >>40702159 >>40702194
>>40702099
cause a bunch of news organizations showed me videos of his inauguration from different angles and i understand this to be difficult to fake
Anonymous No.40702159 >>40702174
>>40702112
>why is everyone talking about that epstein guy still?
Anonymous No.40702163 >>40702313
>>40702099
>why do you think trump is president.
personally? because americans were hurting under the biden administration and sided with a relatively charismatic leader who promised change and had the backing of a massive media engine over the corporate sellouts who promised more pain. it's no surprise a country in a no-win situation didn't win.
Anonymous No.40702174 >>40702194
>>40702159
because of the strong evidence that his conspirators are being protected. who are you quoting?
Anonymous No.40702175 >>40704108
>>40701017 (OP)
>>40701043
Anonymous No.40702194
>>40702099
>>40702112
>>40702174
oh wait you were trying to make the point that evidence is irrelevant because trump disregards it and won
sorry, catastrophic autism moment there
hyena No.40702234 >>40702274
why are anons so intent on proving gd? even if it is real its obviously a product of patriarchy and not some kind of inherent brain condition
Anonymous No.40702274 >>40702302
>>40702234
because it's real and is alleviated by transition. how is it being a product of patriarchy or biology different? why would that be a response to the point they're making?
Anonymous No.40702282 >>40702297
words words wordds
Anonymous No.40702288
>>40701694
dysphoria regarding the physical sex characteristics of the body. does that please you faggot
Anonymous No.40702297
>>40702282
pretty good but i think inside is his opus
hyena No.40702302 >>40702326
>>40702274
i know its real why do you think im on estrogen? its just something that can be prevented by treating men like they arent monsters and aby treating women like they arent cattle.
Anonymous No.40702313 >>40702507
>>40702163
>americans were hurting under the biden administration
americans hurt under EVERY administration. it's more, the ignorance and bigotry of america came out in full force. when trump is telling people he's going to be a day one dictator versus kamala's realistic plans to work on the economy?
it was literally: one candidate played to their racism and transphobia. kamal is for they them and trump is for you. remember? they smeared the shit out of her and americans still hate women so much that they chose a literal authoritarian threat to democracy over a woman.
he incited an insurrection at the capital when he still had control of the national guard and could've squelched the january 6th storming of the capital, but instead he instigated the protestors by telling them to fight.

but oh. no. it wasn't an /insurrection/ and the right's never violent.

look at paramount and colbert getting cancelled after speaking out against trump. it wasn't dems being hyperbolic about trump's threat to democracy. it's: americans don't want democracy because that means white people giving up their privelege.
Anonymous No.40702326 >>40702330 >>40702348
>>40702302
that's nice and all, but it's not a response that makes sense in context. how is that relevant to their point that the op image is ignoring the existence of dysphoria.
hyena No.40702330 >>40702347
>>40702326
im barely paying attention i just think people like op and people arguing against op are retards
Anonymous No.40702347
>>40702330
seems like a retarded thing to do
hyena No.40702348 >>40702376 >>40702412
>>40702326
wait wait i have a real answer. regardless of whether gd is real or not its still a little retarded and preventable with gender abolitionism type shit which troons and chuds mald at
Anonymous No.40702357
Argumentation is irrelevant. We're neck deep in the post-objectivity era where everyone is living their own truth. The tl;dr armchair philosopher in OP's pic gets to live his truth, and we get to live ours. He gets to pretend Jews invented trannies or something stupid like that, and we get to completely 100% ignore his existence.
Anonymous No.40702376 >>40702402 >>40702403
>>40702348
yeah i know that's what you're saying, it just doesn't make sense in context
>op: trannies actually enforce gender roles because they make people transition according to them
>anons: but that's ignoring dysphoria
>you: dysphoria is caused by other stuff though
see the non-sequitur? the cause of dysphoria is irrelevant to the discussion, op, the trannies, and you are all in agreement wrt gender roles (supposedly, since op is obviously using feminism as a prop for his argument) and whether or not they should be opposed. you're adding additional irrelevant context and using the structure of the discussion to frame it as disagreement
hyena No.40702402 >>40702413
>>40702376
ok someone has gd and wants to kill themselves and is also reinforcing gendered values??? yeah people are fucked up. i think youre all fucked in the head. i think youre all sexist. and i want you to do hrt regardless of the sexist consequences because i honestly dont really think you have that big of an impact on society. thats a problem for the jews and lizards (and cis men)
Anonymous No.40702403
>>40702376
and i'd like to add that the context you added is in addition to irrelevant, false. gender dysphoria is not caused by patriarchy, thought obviously it's specific manifestations are heavily influenced by culture, and since ours is patriarchal dysphoria ends up aligning with patriarchal cultural ideas about women's bodies.
my principle objection is still to your comments irrelevance
Anonymous No.40702412 >>40702455
>>40702348
transvestites don't experience gd so you can technically be transgender without having gd because transvestites full under the transgender umbrella.
Anonymous No.40702413 >>40702455
>>40702402
>do hrt regardless of the sexist consequences
retard how does me feminizing my body have sexist consequences?
Anonymous No.40702433 >>40702444 >>40702484
At this point when I meet with terfs or chuds online I go on a communication blackout. If they want to get their kicks insisting someone is wrong on the internet, they can go bother fedora tippers, or literally anyone else willing to engage. Because none of it is meaningful interaction. They speak but don't listen. They're just jerking themselves off.
Anonymous No.40702440
I listened to people like this guy and didn't start e earlier and now I'm 22 and I hate my body
I still agree gender ideology is stupid but hrt is great and chuds shouldn't demonize it.
Anonymous No.40702444
>>40702433
i just argue with them for fun desu, i'm under no illusions about convincing them of anything.
hyena No.40702455 >>40702519
>>40702412
ok i dont really care about your pansy nomenclature bullshit you can have transvestites in or out. i dont really care lmao
>>40702413
its not the hrt its how troons view womanhood as men and kind of skinwalk it. so not the hrt inherently. idk go on egg_irl for a minute. or your average 4troon discord. its so obvious.
Anonymous No.40702484
>>40702433
anon. people do the same thing in real life. you'll talk and they don't listen. eventually i give up on trying to teach someone how to pronounce my name and just assume they're an asshole.

like: i didn't call you by the wrong name, why do you call me by the wrong name? oh. because you don't respect me. . . but i'm the asshole if i call them out on it. /rollseyes
Anonymous No.40702507 >>40702559
>>40702313
I don't disagree but a lot of people are shocked at what's happening too, they really thought trump would save them. I think with mass media, algorithms, and bots it's easy to curate and manufacture evidence to shape people's worldviews and capture people who do still care about the truth.
Anonymous No.40702519 >>40702614
>>40702455
>how troons view womanhood as men and kind of skinwalk it
RETARD! how is that a result of access to hrt or surgeries? or of legal recognition? do you think they wouldn't exist if no one knew about trannies? what does this point you're trying to make have to do with the discussion? it feels like all you're saying is "you're right but i still want to spread hate"
Anonymous No.40702559
>>40702507
he was convicted 34 times. 34 times. and people still voted for him. a literal felon. they voted a literal criminal into office. they weren't duped. they're playing left for sympathy points like they didn't know. they knew. they didn't care. they're the type to cut off the nose to spite the face.
hyena No.40702614 >>40702645
>>40702519
>how is that a result of access to hrt or surgeries?
its not. its actually mostly due to a lack of assimulationism brought on by late trooners
>or of legal recognition?
once again words in my mouth.
>do you think they wouldn't exist if no one knew about trannies?
words in my mouth again. but broadly... there would be less people. trenders fucking suck lmao. i just dont believe in the censorship of information, just bullying the shit out of trenders for being gay stupid babies lol
>what does this point you're trying to make have to do with the discussion?
people are so obsessed with proving troons are specifically sexist when they're forced into this role because of cisiety. the only reason the deeply repressed pervert boomerhon exists is because we have no outlet for men who want to express themselves. what im saying is that trooning out is fine but also acknowledge its objectively icky and sexist... like literally everything else in this patriarchal world.
>it feels like all you're saying is "you're right but i still want to spread hate"
most people need haters, but they have haters for the wrong reasons. i want to see troons and terfs making out because theyre actually all retarded femcels and incels. now go on. lick her puss-puss and give her babies.
Anonymous No.40702645 >>40702667
>>40702614
>its not. its actually mostly due to a lack of assimulationism brought on by late trooners
>i think youre all sexist. and i want you to do hrt regardless of the sexist consequences
acknowledge that you have contradicted yourself and spoke in error
>people are so obsessed with proving troons are specifically sexist when they're forced into this role because of cisiety. the only reason the deeply repressed pervert boomerhon exists is because we have no outlet for men who want to express themselves. what im saying is that trooning out is fine but also acknowledge its objectively icky and sexist... like literally everything else in this patriarchal world
we agree, a better way for you to make your point would be to tell OP that their perception of sexism in trans people is an expression of the sexism omnipresent in society, cis women included. but you're not doing that, you're arguing with trans people about how we're sexist to support the OP
>most people need haters, but they have haters for the wrong reasons. i want to see troons and terfs making out
going on about how trannies are sexist gets us more haters for the wrong reasons and makes that reconciliation much less likely. shut the fuck up
hyena No.40702667 >>40702675
>>40702645
>take my side or ur retarded
no anon ill pass. eat my fat pussy. im sure if i met op id dick them down like the little slut they are
>opticsfagging
LMAO yngmi
>hypocrisy
no. i want earlyshits to acknowledge theyre inherently sexist but less annoying and destructive than john 50
Anonymous No.40702675 >>40702704
>>40702667
you should be killed like a dog
Anonymous No.40702690 >>40702904
>>40701017 (OP)
Plugged it into AI for you:

It’s important to separate the misconceptions here from what transgender people actually experience and believe. Being transgender isn’t about “worshiping stereotypes” or “thinking you were born wrong because of your hobbies.” In fact, many trans people—just like cis people—reject rigid gender roles entirely. A trans woman who likes sports or a trans man who enjoys makeup isn’t contradicting their identity; they’re just expressing themselves.

The concept of gender identity isn’t based on superficial traits like hair length or clothing. It’s about a deep, persistent sense of oneself as male, female, or another gender—something people often describe as being present from early childhood, regardless of their interests or appearance. This isn’t something “taught” to someone because they liked dolls or kickball; it’s something they know about themselves, often despite stereotypes.

As for the history, one individual’s wrongdoings or flawed theories don’t invalidate the modern medical and psychological consensus. Current understanding of gender identity is based on decades of research, clinical experience, and the lived experiences of millions—not on a single person’s mistakes. Major medical organizations worldwide recognize that affirming someone’s gender identity can significantly improve their mental health and reduce risks like depression or suicide.

Finally, the “more free world” you describe—where people aren’t judged for hobbies, fashion, or personality—would still need to make room for transgender people. In that world, trans people wouldn’t be changing themselves to fit stereotypes; they’d still be living as their true gender, just without social pressure to “prove” it. Being trans isn’t about choosing to conform—it’s about aligning body and identity in a way that makes life livable and authentic.
hyena No.40702704 >>40702717
>>40702675
i will outlive you because i am a cute trap and ur a bitterhoon entrapped in ur deluded thoughtbox and unprepared for what is to come
Anonymous No.40702717 >>40702747
>>40702704
perhaps, the world is an unjust place
hyena No.40702747 >>40702760
>>40702717
passing as an aap brings your wandering mind to qlipoth, leaving u scarred w/ esoteric knowledge
Anonymous No.40702750
>>40701017 (OP)
society is always inherently gendered and there's nothing we can do about it. so called "gender ideology" abolitionists always revert back to reinforcing gender as a social construct tenfold. in the eyes of people who oppose trans issues, a boy who wears a dress is being groomed and abused and a girl who wants a short haircut and dresses masculine is being groomed too. they claim to want to get rid of gender ideology and the "harm" that trans people do to people while doubling down and calling little timmy a faggot tranny for wearing a pink shirt.
Anonymous No.40702751
my response:
>>40701041
>>40701095
i stopped reading as soon as soon as i got to
>...born wrong if they're a girl who likes kickball...
the whole premise of the argument is false so there is nothing that rly needs to be said. i am trans bc i want to be female, not because i want to be a woman. i am a woman bc now i look like one, incidentally, and that's how the world treats me. i happen to have some stereotypically feminine interests but i also have plenty of stereotypically masculine interests. ppl who argue against trans existence mostly have no idea what they are talking abt which is unfortunate both bc it obscures and sometimes even prevents productive discussion, but also those misunderstandings are unquestioned by the people making the laws about how i'm allowed to live. i'm not angry, just tired, i guess.
Anonymous No.40702760 >>40702780
>>40702747
meh i've heard more interesting internet mysticism. read some more poetry and i think you could give it more oomph
Anonymous No.40702764 >>40707560 >>40707928
>>40701021
Anti-intellectual leftard commie. Of couse your trans
bpdmoder !!uCr5ynMdwNS No.40702772
>>40701017 (OP)
Easy. being trans does not necessitate strict gender roles in anyway. I consider myself a woman and I also have certain interests or aspects to myself that might be considered more traditionally masculine like rock climbing. But that doesn’t invalidate my being a woman and broadly feeling much more aligned with those respective social roles, felt emotional experience, and relational understanding. Being a woman is not some strict box and it’s kinda weird how for as much as terfs go on about gender abolition, they always frame things around strict definitions of gender. Thinking so firmly about gender roles and aligning oneself so solidly with one’s sex is probably hurting women, so stop being so weird and spending so much time worrying about others and just like enjoy yourself—you guys sound like Reddit atheists being so preoccupied with other peoples business
hyena No.40702780 >>40702787
>>40702760
im not quite /x/ tier lmao
Anonymous No.40702787 >>40702810
>>40702780
yeah but there are things you could do to be
hyena No.40702810 >>40702822
>>40702787
ill have to ask my boyfriend he browses /x/ a lot. are you bittersneedhon vaushism le argumentpants anon or someone else? i was assuming another text wall was about to happen
Anonymous No.40702822 >>40702839
>>40702810
same anon, still think you're retarded. i'm just an actual person y'know?
hyena No.40702839 >>40702848
>>40702822
woefully a lot of my positions are formed by seeing troons and femboys have the same insecurities and also keeping up with lcf and cc. like i cant help but see everyone as retarded w the chuds being the supreme king of tardation
Anonymous No.40702848 >>40702862
>>40702839
nah, retards are just loud and they talk a lot.
hyena No.40702862 >>40702875
>>40702848
this is also true. it sucks that basically everyone thinks they can speak over us. cons, libs, nazis, feminists. theyfabs. its such ass. they just see us as fuckmeat. its why i like making them uncomfy
Anonymous No.40702875
>>40702862
yeah, i can understand enjoying being abrasive to the world back. anyone on 4chan can i'm sure
Anonymous No.40702880
>>40701140
brain sex doesn't exist, there's not one study that actually found "transgender brains" that is actually worth a shit.
Anonymous No.40702884
>>40701017 (OP)
No matter your own views on sex or gender, the fact of the matter is that if you don't transition you will never be treated like the opposite sex you will be treated as your birth sex. Your appearance shapes who you are it shapes your social status it shapes how you are treated it even shapes your own view of yourself, if you live as your AGAB your entire life will be an exhausting slog of defying expectations and society in order to do literally anything, you will never be able to live a fulfilling or satisfying life unless you luck out and somehow get a 99th percentile family or friend group. The point of transition is to be able to relax and just live like a normal person its about just adapting to your environment instead of being in a constant struggle with it
Anonymous No.40702904
>>40702690
jihad soon
Anonymous No.40702933 >>40702977
>>40701683
Other forms of dysphoria aren't treated via cosmetical surgery which destroys functioning body parts. Why is that?
Anonymous No.40702945 >>40702977
>>40701411
There was some pushback around 2019/2020 but it didn't have a political leaning and it seems like everyone just dropped "trap" eventually because it was too exhausting to keep fighting over and "femboy" was just the easier caveat. Trannies won by being insufferable and annoying as always. There were attempts to have "femboy" labeled as transphobic as well by Tumblr and Twitter users but it ended up never taking off.
Anonymous No.40702976 >>40704047
>>40701017 (OP)
john money was a transphobic gatekeeper whose failed experiment on david reimer proves that gender identity is in fact innate and not socialized
hyena No.40702977
>>40702933
people should be able to do whatever they want. even cut off their arms. thats like..: self-performed eugenics. love that self elim shit.
>>40702945
you sound mad just call urself a trap. stop letting troons rule ur life
Anonymous No.40703054 >>40703326 >>40703577 >>40709112
>>40701141
>a small amount of people arent men nor women
wait till you learn about the etiology of gender dysphoria and how being transgender is a biological intersex condition

>>40701153
holy based, i also saved that pic from the shota thread :D

>>40701372
>trans shit doesnt exist in asia.
brother, it takes 2 minutes to google famous asian trans women.
hyena No.40703326
>>40703054
im like 90% sure that kathoeys cry themselves to sleep wishing they had a pussy and could have kids lol
Anonymous No.40703577 >>40703624 >>40703657 >>40704895 >>40708723
>>40703054
>and how being transgender is a biological intersex condition
yet still closer to the male brain therefore not women.
also you henceforth define being man or woman as having a specific type of brain.
also you sound terminally online.

>brother, it takes 2 minutes to google famous asian trans women.
no way a grown adult wrote this, even a child would know why this type of logic is retarded. please look up what ladyboys are in china and thailand. and trans shit is fucking nonexistent in japan in comparison to how many identify as femboys.
Anonymous No.40703596 >>40704167
>>40702030
>arguments with no backing.
he backed them. now refute them. youre just sounding like a fucking idiot.
>>40702030
>OP asked for a refutation. I'll take the fact you're resorting to name calling to mean I'm doing a good job?
no argument
>yes but you seem to be mistaking, or at least conflating, a linguistic invention with a social invention. coming up with a word to describe something that already exists does not mean he created that thing itself.
something that already exists?... except gender is a social construct? please take 5 seconds to search up what the nu definition of gender is. you sound fucking clueless as to what the entire argument is actually about.
>no, the treatment for gender dysphoria is transitioning
no argument. acting retarded just makes you look retarded btw.
Anonymous No.40703624 >>40703640
>>40703577
Homie hasn't seen "Beautiful Boxer", "Funeral Parade of Roses" or the "Iron ladies" series


Honestly, its all just the same thing with different words slapped onto it
Anonymous No.40703640 >>40703682
>>40703624
>Homie hasn't seen "Beautiful Boxer", "Funeral Parade of Roses" or the "Iron ladies" series
OOOHHH MY GOOOD SOME CHERRYPICKING FORM south koreeah. grow the fuck up
hyena No.40703657 >>40703748
>>40703577
anon youre fucking retarded lmao. femboys and trannies are the SAME THING over there. youre distinction is retarded. they even have hons (okama) who use drag as a larp. eat my fat fucking bawls
>dont troon if gd
trooning is genepool/culturepool self elim for weak men. they aint gonna raise kids. its darwinism at its finest. be glad for it lmao
Anonymous No.40703682 >>40703748
>>40703640
very popular 20th century movies from Thailand and Japan, none of them are Korean

I could look for better sources if I wanted, but why would i waste effort on someone who will intentionally try to misunderstand me whatever I do
Anonymous No.40703748 >>40703768 >>40703783 >>40703850
>>40703657
>anon youre fucking retarded lmao. femboys and trannies are the SAME THING over there.
no they arent, youre mad. you can not be dumb and look at actual surveys for the percentage that identifies as trans in japan.
>they even have hons (okama) who use drag as a larp
so? do they identify as women?
>>40703682
>very popular 20th century movies from Thailand and Japan, none of them are Korean
only two of them are asian
>why would i waste effort on someone who will intentionally try to misunderstand me whatever I do
because your counterargument to the fact that japan literally has its own word for femboy and is a extremely feminine culture and has femboys in various types of their media is "well look at this one movie from japan and another from thailand." nigga youre being disingenuous
Anonymous No.40703768 >>40703772
>>40703748
>nigga youre being disingenuous
calling people slurs is not nice
Anonymous No.40703772
>>40703768
>calling people slurs is not nice
go to reddit fucker
hyena No.40703783 >>40703890
>>40703748
im a trap weaboo anon. i know what the pop culture conceptions of troons are and i especially know its a shitty genderfucky plane of vagueness between what a troon is and what a femboy is. why do you think otokonoko is used for every trap and troon manga as a colloquialism. they make less of a distinction. ive seen how they deride agp fetishists in japan. theres a whole joke in milk chan about it. do your fucking homework or ill rape it into you
hyena No.40703850 >>40704038
>>40703748
if ur issue is "americans id as women eastoids dont" its because americans dont account for troonish males and force them to scramble about for some form of legitimacy by clinging to some christianized retelling of the third gender shit. even then there are still pieces of media where a character very DESPERATELY wishes they were female or more normative. see the interview with the hibaru kun mangaka
Anonymous No.40703890 >>40703965
>>40703783
>i know what the pop culture conceptions of troons are and i especially know its a shitty genderfucky plane of vagueness between what a troon is and what a femboy is.
how is it a "genderfucky plane". a trans person is someone who identifies as a trans person. gender is a social construct with independent identities created by transexual institutes and it can only exist in the places that normalize that social construct. in fact, the majority of people that "identify" as women there in the thirdy shitholes probably dont even think theyre genuinely women due to some magical social construct led by blurry disingenuous arguments. the fact that theyre relating a feminine man to a person that calls themselves a woman (not even a "trans woman") shows that they dont have such a deep understanding of transgenderism than in USA or japan. in the west calling feminine dudes a woman was always done by conservatives as a metaphoric insult, that doesn't mean they genuinely think theyre women. the definition of otokonoko means "maledaughter" which is a word relative to "ladyboy", actual trans people would absolutely not call themselves that whilst genuinely thinking theyre women. the percentage of people using otokonoko to define actual trans woman is probably 0.1%. deriding AGP will be normal in every country.
>inb4 onimai is trans
>inb4 ranma is trans
hyena No.40703965 >>40704090
>>40703890
>onimai
onimai is a show made by repping autogynophile pedos
>ranma
i havent done my research but probably a female mangaka trying to force a lady protag in while being able to appeal to publications by saying "well technically" lol
>the other shit
if you really think trans people genuinely believe theyre actually women and arent just painting on fifty layers of dissociative cope you have another one coming. anon lets just admit that fetishists are cringe and that all people are weird freak animals. i hate gender ideology too. i just think that gd is very clearly a thing in the east (AND STILL A WEIRD PSYCHOSEXUAL BRAINWORM CAUSED BY GENDER ROLES).
Anonymous No.40704038 >>40704063 >>40704109
>>40703850
>even then there are still pieces of media where a character very DESPERATELY wishes they were female or more normative
ok and? literally "wishing you were a woman" and such can all be true without it actually being transgenderism. those people would never genuinely think theyre females and are content when they merely look like women, as anyone normal would be.
western trannies are completely deranged and mentally ill. not because femininity is not actually all they just care about, but because they'd be a dissident if they admit that they dont care about identifying as a word that simply means chromosomes, and would abandon their entire leftist culty worldview. transgenderism is
>replacing the word gender with a socially constructed categorization
>using words that simply refer to chromosomes and stating that anyone that acts like those chromosomes usually act can call themselves the definition of the chromosome pairing
>retarding the meaning of woman/female by doing so and rendering it pointless (eg. what is a woman)
>a misandrist desperation to have an XX chromosome, and to at least steal the very simple genetic referral to two X chromosomes, redundantly making genetics matter again
>stereotyping feminine men and masculine women as the opposite chromosome that merely identifies with that behavior, not that its inherently actually paired with their chromosome
Anonymous No.40704047
>>40702976
you are innately a man if you have xy genes, yes
it doesn't work the other way around
hyena No.40704063 >>40704096
>>40704038
Anonymous No.40704072
>>40701076
More like if Brian Reimer was castrated instead. The lucky guess.
Anonymous No.40704079
>>40701017 (OP)
says what it could say in 30 words in hundreds. whoever wrote this doesn't exist in proximity to trans people or doesn't care about them
Anonymous No.40704090 >>40704116 >>40704125
>>40703965
>if you really think trans people genuinely believe theyre actually women and arent just painting on fifty layers of dissociative cope you have another one coming.
western trannies have an incentive to identify as a woman in order to cope with their more usual gender dimorphism by coping through calling themselves the very definition of femininity/neoteny, which is a female.
western liberals have an incentive to die on the hill of transgender ideology as they'd seem like insane psycopaths later on if they admit that theyre wrong, and have already been pushing this shit since 1913.
"gender dysphoria" is NOT as common in the east because gender as its known in the west doesn't exist there, transgenderism was invented in 1913 and the meaning of gender was forcefully changed around the 1960's.
in their case it'd be body dysmorphia, "wanting to be a girl" is a mere metaphor. whenever i was dysmorphic (i knew transgenderism was fucking dumb) i STILL said "i wish i was a girl" simply because its the easiest metaphor to describe what i want, not because i actually wanted to cut my dick off.
"gender roles" do not exist in thirdy shitholes, it is fucking sex roles because the meaning of gender in the west got fucking lobotomized by john money and is now basically meaningless.
Anonymous No.40704096 >>40704125
>>40704063
Anonymous No.40704108 >>40707466
>>40702175
Brain scans have proven that trans brains are the same as those of their biological sex.
Anonymous No.40704109 >>40704141
>>40704038
man/woman are holistic labels for a combination of apparent E vs. T expression/socialization/identity which is a concept that's pretty intuitive if you aren't some debatebro insisting in bad faith it has to be 100% of one of those constituent parts
Anonymous No.40704116 >>40704149
>>40704090
What the fuck are you talking about you retard
hyena No.40704125
>>40704090
>gender roles dont exist in thirdies
i kinda get you
>>40704096
porn addiction rules the weeb mind. but unlike them i hate all crossdressers equally
Anonymous No.40704141 >>40704236
>>40704109
>man/woman are holistic labels for a combination of apparent E vs. T expression/socialization/identity
no they werent. the word gender was synonymous with the word sex for centuries. christians started using the word gender more often because they didnt want to say the word sex. then gender theorists decided to push for everyone to unanimously refer to gender as a social construct. so now people clinging onto this 100 year old retarded shit think "man and woman" can mean anything. you are giving the same rhetoric of conservatives that would call feminine men women as an insult
Anonymous No.40704149
>>40704116
>he said the thing!
Anonymous No.40704167 >>40704179
>>40703596
I want to believe you're trolling. but anon was right, you do sound mad...
Anonymous No.40704179
>>40704167
i can sound like whatever i want nigga
Anonymous No.40704236 >>40706249
>>40704141
I don't even really disagree with that historical analysis, and seeing how east asians treat the issue linguistically I agree. It's just that you go too far and dismiss the east asian trans people who take hormones and get surgeries and identify as the other sex in earnest. Regardless of what they're called, certainly they aren't identical to cis men and cis women right? Which brings us back to separating gender and sex, if only a little bit.
Anonymous No.40704306 >>40704451 >>40706303
>>40701073
Well said. The semantic position of the OP post is highly defensible, but the intent is not. These people never stay in their fucking lane and the second you give them an inch they take a mile. If I believed for a moment that their intent was ever the protection of average kids then there could be compromise, but it's just the opener for rapid descent to openly abusing trans people. They start with limitations on who gets hormone therapy and when, and then censor information, and then prohibit the rights of adult citizens to participate in society. It's happening right now in front of your eyes and it is going to get so much worse. These are the repeated talking points of literal fascists and there is no reason they should be tolerated.
Trans identities and treatments should be taken on a case by case clinical basis, and the overarching ethics and medical practice should be left open to allow sympathetic doctors to practice as necessary. Better education and openness of the reality of trans people and their struggles will better allow doctors and parents to make ethical decisions about a trans teen's well being that won't interfere with the well-being of their peers.
Anonymous No.40704451
>>40704306
>and the overarching ethics and medical practice should be left open to allow sympathetic doctors to practice as necessary
in theory yes but doctors will prescribe total genital mutilation as well as irreversible treatments to children so manifestly they are out of whack and it doesn't work.
>These people never stay in their fucking lane and the second you give them an inch they take a mile
this is also not necessarily true
Anonymous No.40704454 >>40706249
>>40701447
What John Money did to his victims and by proxy to countless intersex kids without their consent or even knowledge and what trans people voluntarily do to themselves have no relationship to each other.
John Money didn't even like trannies. We fuck with his theory that gender is learned.
Anonymous No.40704738 >>40708097
>>40701026
>i only accept gnc when i can easily recognize its genitalia and my penis go up
Anonymous No.40704895 >>40706281
>>40703577
nigga has never heard of a newhalf before
Anonymous No.40705379
holy essay, take it to a publisher
Anonymous No.40706249 >>40707023 >>40713994 >>40714061
>>40704236
>It's just that you go too far and dismiss the east asian trans people who take hormones and get surgeries and identify as the other sex in earnest
still a western idea in essence, and i still believe it is femininity that people desire, NOT the opposite sex's chromosomes.
the tokyo trans parade was hosted by westerners, LMAO.
>>40704454
>We fuck with his theory that gender is learned.
he never said anything about gender, he just changed the definition of it.
Anonymous No.40706281 >>40707492 >>40708723
>>40704895
does "newhalf" really refer to trannies or is it just the same as ladyboy? trannies would never call themselves such a term for obvious reasons.
does post-operation include SRS? because if not i'd see it the same as facial feminization surgery, which i got without identifying as trans, not necessarily "sex change" unless they firmly believe theyre female just like western trannies.
Anonymous No.40706303
>>40704306
>it's just the opener for rapid descent to openly abusing trans people
the post argues against the concept of transgenderism itself.
having to obey a bunch of doctor retards that say you can only get HRT if you call yourself a woman, is retarded.
hyena No.40707023
>>40706249
>cultural osmosis doesnt count!!!
mald seethe cope snoy and acccck
Anonymous No.40707412 >>40708127
>>40701017 (OP)
sure, i refute it thus:
this is the exact same kind of person who will post about how mtf trannies all have "malebrained" interests. he won't see any problem with making both of those arguments, because the thing he actually cares about is attacking the enemy, not the truth.
there's also him getting john money's ideology backwards. note that he does not name "the man who came up with gender ideology", because if he did you could trivially look it up and see that john money actually argued for the same exact bullshit the poster is peddling in that image.
https://link.springer.com/epdf/10.1007/BF02700823?sharing_token=ne9oOTv1GBcbloJRBQ0yQ_e4RwlQNchNByi7wbcMAY5zFSCuzfD850Ae15v9PHZ1ddrn7KDntZKuDE2KNRKM_bReCYWERazK_TpQIGHKNvY05_EETJpxaPlctj5Nfp2xVb3GC_jLRBCafzPP_ygM0Q%3D%3D
Carina !!dVOJSaAUJLJ No.40707416
>>40701017 (OP)
We'll never know, since I'm not reading alla' that
Anonymous No.40707466
>>40704108
OK retard.
Anonymous No.40707492
>>40706281
most mtf third genders like that often actually do consider themselves women, we just value the opinions of their cis countrymen more.
Anonymous No.40707560
>>40702764
>your
Anonymous No.40707569
>>40701017 (OP)
>in my socialist utopia you don't have to work a job so why are you working?
Anonymous No.40707928
>>40702764
>anti intellectual
>leftard commie
oxymoron. literally every communist leader throughout history has been articulate geg
Anonymous No.40707944
>>40701017 (OP)
I don't follow stereotypes.
Anonymous No.40708077 >>40708188 >>40712751 >>40713994
Luckily for me, the poster itself already annihilated their own position without even realizing
>the founder of "gender ideology" caused two boys to kill themselves
It is hilarious to see tards bringing this up, because if anything it's the absolute and total proof of an innate gender identity. Both of them experienced the exact symptoms of gender dysphoria their whole lives, just like trannies.
Gender Identity is biological and innate. All TERF talking points which deny this may be trivially dismissed as reality denial. After all, why would the two subjects of John Money's experiments have so vehemently rejected "femininity", if it's purely stereotypical and learned?
Trannies, just like them, suffer not because "muh gendered society and norms that don't let men be feminine" but because there is a profound mismatch between the innate gender identity, the social perception and the physical body.
The easiest and most pragmatic way of treating this is by letting the trannies troon
Anonymous No.40708097
>>40704738
What does this reply mean.
I genuinely do not know what this image is trying to convey.
Anonymous No.40708127 >>40708199
>>40707412
Normal person:
>You don't have to be a man to like monster trucks, even though most people who like monster trucks are men.

Trannoid freak:
>If you like monster trucks you are a man. Cut off your breasts and sterilize yourself.
Anonymous No.40708188 >>40708226 >>40708281
>>40708077
It's funny how "women have different brains" went from being mocked by Borat as sexist drivel to being embraced unironically by modern leftists.
Anonymous No.40708199 >>40708247 >>40708988
>>40708127
meanwhile, you in another thread
>lmao at trannies thinking they're women when they play paradox map games
Anonymous No.40708226 >>40708275 >>40708293
>>40708188
Nta but there's a difference between "here are ways we can neurobiologically measure differences between the sexes" and "women have different brains and therefore can't into engineering kek kek lel"
Anonymous No.40708247 >>40709310
>>40708199
I know HRT causes brain fog and you weren't too smart to being with, but this isn't a difficult point to grasp.
>you don't have to be a man to have male hobbies
>if you have male hobbies, you are almost certainly a man
Every time we see an "Emily" modding XCOM we laugh at you.
Anonymous No.40708275 >>40708388
>>40708226
>there are ways we can neurobiologically measure differences between the sexes"
What are the differences?
>"women can't into engineering"
Because of the differences?
Anonymous No.40708281 >>40708328 >>40708348 >>40708394
>>40708188
Truth doesn't care about how we feel about it :)
Don't you realize how pathetic it is to clinge to "mmm, isn't it sexist to suggest there might be innate significance differences in brain structure between men and women??" as if this was a refutation of their existence, the world having to bend to our will?
Answer me, if it was true that the brains of women and men were different, do you think misogyny would be justified? I don't think so in the slightest. I think equality would still be a worthwhile legal and social goal even if they were profoundly biologically unequal. I get the impression you would simply drop progressivism entirely and embrace patriarchy instead
Anonymous No.40708293 >>40708388
>>40708226
>neurobiologically
neurologically

>but more syllable make me smart!
you have nothing smart to say
Anonymous No.40708328 >>40708367
>>40708281
Equality or equity?

There's a difference between
>women can't pass police fitness standards, so there are barely any female cops
and
>women can't pass police fitness standards, so we lowered them

Most people are okay with the former, that's just life. The latter is what cost you the public's good will.
Anonymous No.40708348
>>40708281
And before you ask:
>mmm but where is the proof of this difference
It's right there at John Money's tragic experiments. You have no capability of explaining, at all, how both of them vehemently rejected femininity their whole lives (as literal children they would already break their girl toys and tear their clothes) if it's all just purely social and learned stereotypes (a TERF position which, unfortunately, some retarded trannies adopted despite being obviously false).
Explain to us: why did they experience every single symptom of gender dysphoria and altogether reject the role of woman to them assigned without having a biological gender identity which mismatched with the one they were forced to perform socially and physically through hormones?
Anonymous No.40708367 >>40708407
>>40708328
the former. And I think ideally women who do choose to seek a man dominated profession should face no discrimination or societal judgement for being "unfeminine" just like men who seek a woman dominated profession shouldn't face it for being "unmasculine"
Anonymous No.40708388 >>40708423
>>40708275
Sure, you can read about the differences for all vertebrates here, but if you check the citations you'll see ones specifically focusing on mammal and human brains
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9799588/
>because of the [bio] differences?
I think discounting either nature or nurture entirely isn't a very good way to reach a conclusion
>>40708293
"Neurobiology" is the term used in the papers I've skimmed through, I looked up why they say that instead of neurology, and I think it's because they're biologists analyzing neurology and the general nervous system, not medical doctors who apply treatment in the field of neurology.
I can link you the paper i was looking at if you wanted?
Anonymous No.40708394
>>40708281
well hypothetically, if I were raised to believe that men and women are the same, and that it's foolish to think otherwise...

...and then I saw men outperforming women in STEM...

...and all physical jobs...

...and all dangerous jobs...

...and sports...

...and purely cerebral things, like chess...

...and any time there was a crisis, the women would just scream and cry and wait for men to fix it...

...and the only explanation for this was that men were mean to women for no reason 100+ years ago...

...I would probably have a low opinion of them.
Anonymous No.40708407
>>40708367
So you wasted all this time to tell me you agree with me? What was the point?
Anonymous No.40708423 >>40708512
>>40708388
They invented nonsensical terms for their nonsensical social science that can't be replicated or expanded upon.

Why would they do that? Hmm...
Anonymous No.40708512 >>40708619
>>40708423
>biologists
>social science
Anon.....I have no words. This is the first time on 4chan someone has said something so stupid to me the only emotion I can produce is bafflement. I don't even feel like i can be mean to you, because you have produced in me such bafflement that I feel temporarily enlightened in the way a zen master contemplating a koan would be. What in my post made you think I was talking about anyone working in social sciences
Anonymous No.40708515
>>40701017 (OP)
Anonymous No.40708619 >>40708731 >>40708780
>>40708512
"Neurobiologists" are to neurologists and biologists what prompt engineers are to engineers. It's not a serious field. It's made nothing.
Anonymous No.40708723 >>40712739
>>40701017 (OP)
"gender ideology" is a spook
>>40701372
>>40706281
>>40703577
it's very obviously the same root phenomena in different cultural contexts you 80IQ nigger
Anonymous No.40708731 >>40708812
>>40708619
I have degrees in neurology and biology from MIT and this is misinformation. I have nothing but the utmost respect my neurobiologist colleagues.
Anonymous No.40708780 >>40708810 >>40708827
>>40708619
Probably because "neurobiologalist" wasn't something I said...you got confused because I used the term "neurobiological" and you assumed this was some made up thing after I said I picked up the term from papers like https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7115954/ and https://www.jneurosci.org/content/32/7/224 and https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6677266/ , and then you decided to dig in your heels about it. Im sorry anon. Thank you for going on this tangent with me where we all learn something new.
Anonymous No.40708810
>>40708780
Nooo I messed up the link for the euro journal, here https://www.jneurosci.org/content/32/7/2241
Anonymous No.40708812 >>40708981
>>40708731
Proof?
Anonymous No.40708827 >>40708852
>>40708780
>I quote a made-up term
>someone points out the made-up term
>I am the victor in this scenario
A life governed by delusion.
Anonymous No.40708852 >>40708869
>>40708827
Are you ok. I cant tell if you're mad at me or these research institutions
Anonymous No.40708869 >>40708920 >>40708941
>>40708852
I'm not mad at you, I feel sorry for you the same way I feel sorry for retards in the fifties who had their brains drilled out their nose. Medicine was supposed to help you; instead, it destroyed you for profit.
Anonymous No.40708920 >>40708993
>>40708869
How is that related to me using the term "neurobiological" to describe measurable differences in brain sex and the ensuing argument about if the term was 'real' or not, which honestly I mostly participated in because it was fun bookmarking new things to read later and citations to read. If you had a broader argument to make just make that argument instead of engaging more with specific verbiage, I just thought you were autistic.
Anonymous No.40708941
>>40708869
nigga really thought he sounded profound writing that
Anonymous No.40708981
>>40708812
I get paid 6 gorrilion dollars annually by MIT to fight TRA (who turned out to be the real sexist racists, ironic...) misinformation on your 4chan "trans" hugbox
you get paid NOTHING
don't even speak to me, troll demon
Anonymous No.40708988 >>40709029
>>40708199
this is how i imagine my cissoid friends talk about me
Anonymous No.40708993 >>40709015 >>40709023
>>40708920
>how is me being a grotesque experiment of profit-science related to made-up terms used to falsely legitimize said profit-science
In addition to being chemically lobotomized, did you get the ice pick too?
Anonymous No.40709015
>>40708993
Bro did you fucking do you think "brain sex differences" was something only studied in the context of trannyism and that all words associated with it are products of trannyism. This is like you hate trannies so much you go scorched earth on some neuroscience journal article from 2011 that just talks about brain sex in the context of men tend to be more schizophrenic
Anonymous No.40709023
>>40708993
hello, this is anon
I am so sorry
I was groomed by big pharma to say femboys are not valid and trans rights o algo
I sincerely apologize to each and every one of the six gorillion biological wombyn and biological minors mutilated by trans delusion ideology o algo
My neurobiologist tricked me into mutilating my brain with delusion hormones
Anonymous No.40709026 >>40709043 >>40709112
>>40701017 (OP)
this image does not account for the literal feeling of being dysphoric, once again cis people completely failing to understand being trans. i'm pretty sure i would've already gotten over it had i not hated watching my *biology* take control and masculinize me in ways i never wanted. how hard is this for cissoids to understand?
Anonymous No.40709029
>>40708988
Initially we tried to be polite until we saw how you behave. Then we just indulged you out of fear of losing our jobs and social circles.

But that's over now.
Anonymous No.40709043 >>40709058 >>40709074
>>40709026
>WHY CAN'T THOSE STUPID NORMAL PEOPLE HEAR MY VOICES!!!???
You freaks really should be locked up somewhere.
Anonymous No.40709053
>>40701017 (OP)
All faggy bottoms are girls and would be happier spending their lives as pretty women than masculinizing. This is an immutable biological fact.
Anonymous No.40709058 >>40709074 >>40709116
>>40709043
>AUUUIIG WHY ISNT THE STATE INTERVENING I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST TWO MORE WEEKS
Anonymous No.40709074
>>40709043
>>40709058
you're both stupid niggers mitwit iq o algo
Anonymous No.40709097
>>40701017 (OP)
I wouldn't get angry or refute it because I agree with most of that
Anonymous No.40709112 >>40709344
>>40703054
>>40701683
>>40709026
Hey, real neurobiologist here.
The "dysphoria" you feel is actually just a completely natural feeling that some young adults experience as part of the divination process (completely healthy third-stage puberty in other words) before being reincarnated as anime girls in another world. Unfortunately in todays "woke" world many for-profit doctors working in the 6 gorillion dollar "gender" medical-pharma industry are all to willing to put ideology over ethics and common sense.
Anonymous No.40709116 >>40709139 >>40709155
>>40709058
>World Athletics’ mandatory genetic test for women athletes
>Kern County [California] Board of Education bans transgender athletes from girls' sports
>Trans people in Georgia prisons are being forced to detransition.
>Charlotte LGBTQ groups condemn Atrium ending gender-affirming meds for youths
>Minnesota teen says server forced her to prove her gender in restaurant bathroom
>LGBTQ people ‘erased’ from State Department’s 2024 human rights report
All from the last 24 hours lol. The walls are closing in. Pretend time is over.
Anonymous No.40709139 >>40709155 >>40709170
>>40709116
>2 more weeks
Anonymous No.40709155
>>40709116
I am an Indian man (adult indian male) and I agree with all of the TRUTH listed here because my favorite jewish neurobiologist Costin "Doopidman" Alamariu from yale reposted it on X the everything app
>>40709139
shutcha mouth loony troony
Anonymous No.40709167 >>40709184 >>40709254
>>40701017 (OP)
>Can you refute this without sounding mad?

Easy. You are allowed to think whatever you want, I won't stop you. I'm doing this for me because it makes me happy. Nothing you say is going to take that away from me. I do not care about your thoughts on the politics or philosophy of the matter. It has no bearing on what I'm doing :)
Anonymous No.40709170
>>40709139
But enough about your lifespan.
Anonymous No.40709184 >>40709196 >>40709254
>>40709167
>because it makes me happy :)
>...*on antidepressants, self-harming, sterile, cut off his parents, kills himself before 30*
Anonymous No.40709196 >>40709258
>>40709184
Never been on antidepressants or self harmed, I still have a great relationship with my parents, and I'm about to be 31

It's so nice not to be your personal strawman :)
Anonymous No.40709254
>>40709167
>>40709184
Holy based
Anonymous No.40709258 >>40709303 >>40709305
>>40709196
You're delusional and that's worse.
I actually do struggle with a lot of the things I listed, I'm speaking from personal experience. I was institutionalized after downing a bottle of pills the night before my 29th birthday, I had just gotten heartbreaking news on my sperm motility. I've always wanted a family, I'm a legal Indian-American immigrant so family means a lot to us, and my parents have disowned my for my heterodox views on trans ideology. I can completely understand why someone like you who feels autistic and lonely could be tricked into destroying your natural body by money-hungry practitioners who put profit over ethics. The stuff I say sounds harsh to you because the truth is harsh, but you need to hear it.
Please wake up from this delusion and see reality.
Anonymous No.40709303 >>40709309 >>40709377
>>40709258
Where is the delusion? Everything I just told you is simply facts about myself.

I am high functioning autistic, but well adjusted and not lonely. I've got a boyfriend of almost 7 years, a lot of friends, and a band.

I have been feminine/androgynous in both interests and in the way I dreas since I was a kid, before I knew what being trans even was. I'm not the result of some pharma psyop. This is just how I've lived my life lol
Anonymous No.40709305 >>40709377
>>40709258
>pretending to be me pretending to be Indian
Lmaooo. Ironically, Indian is the only thing you could pass as since you eat shit and have a 40 IQ.
Anonymous No.40709309 >>40709319
>>40709303
Autism -> tranny pipeline. Sad. MANY such cases.
Anonymous No.40709310 >>40709321
>>40708247
it's so funny because you could have just said "no, i don't do that, gender policing is bad when 'my side' does it too".
but you didn't, because i'm right, and you couldn't miss an opportunity to bitch about trannies being malebrained and call us slurs (i don't actually care about the slurs, it's 4chan, but it's illustrative)
Anonymous No.40709316
>>40701017 (OP)
Its mostly inane bullshit from someone who is too online and thinks trans people make up 1/5th of the population instead of less than a percent. They're so deluded that they think trans people run the entirety of culture, which is such a patently ludicrous idea one could only get from posting too much on /pol/ or whatever desolate internet wasteland radfems post on these days.
Anonymous No.40709319
>>40709309
Whatever dude, I'm just living :P
Anonymous No.40709321 >>40709431
>>40709310
>it's so funny
It's really not. You're just mad.
Anonymous No.40709333
>>40701017 (OP)
there is an inherently biological aspect to transition that this analysis intentionally ignores

>t. transmed
Anonymous No.40709344 >>40709355 >>40709393
>>40709112
okay (((real neurobiologist)))
Anonymous No.40709355
>>40709344
okay (((real woman)))
Anonymous No.40709377 >>40709399
>>40709303
oh my science this is just like when the CIA gave drugs to niggers that one time o algo
>>40709305
Lmaoooo (four O's to show how exasperated I am with your delusions btw)
crazy how troons pretend to love everyone and then post the most racist BS when a minority disagrees with their insane ideology
Anonymous No.40709393
>>40709344
Yes I am proudly Jewish. Yes I disagree with TRA insanity trying to rewrite reality.
Is that a problem for you?
Anonymous No.40709399 >>40709418
>>40709377
>th-that's racist!
Chuds were the real snowflakes
Anonymous No.40709418 >>40710966
>>40709399
So I'm a "snowflake" for thinking that insulting my ethnic background is hypocritical coming from a group that supposedly cares so much about love and acceptance? Lmaooo give me a break
Anonymous No.40709431 >>40709626
>>40709321
being mad at you would make no sense when you did exactly what i wanted you to do.
you're an example, not an opponent.
Anonymous No.40709463
>>40701017 (OP)
There’s a few problems with this dissertation, but what stands out to me rn is that it does the "why can’t you just be a feminine man or a masculine woman" unironically, and it posits that we skipped over this supposed healthy middle ground, forcing all those who transcend their gender role to transition which is absurd.

As if butch women haven’t been getting the cops called on them in the bathroom and twinky cute faggots haven’t been getting their teeth kicked in enough, op assumes that society is heathy enough to tolerate the detractors from gender norms, and while it could be done in a naive progressive sheltered innocence (which I doubt because they bought into the were making these people transition rhetoric), it’s more likely it’s a purposeful appropriation of the rhetoric because op just doesn’t like looking at trannies and needs to convince “fellow wokes”

In a vacuum the OP might have had some points, but I really don’t have much reason to give them today
Anonymous No.40709626
>>40709431
You're not in an anime.
Anonymous No.40709629
>>40701017 (OP)
not reading all this
hyena No.40710966
>>40709418
Anonymous No.40712739 >>40713628
>>40708723
>dont literally think they have two x chromosomes
what are you trying to prove?
Anonymous No.40712751 >>40713994
>>40708077
>It is hilarious to see tards bringing this up, because if anything it's the absolute and total proof of an innate gender identity.
no? it just proves body dysmorphia
Anonymous No.40713628
>>40712739
neither do western trannies retard we have a dysphoria not a dysmorphia. we're very aware of our position and hate it, that's why we try to change it
Anonymous No.40713994
>>40706249
>i still believe it is femininity that people desire, NOT the opposite sex's chromosomes
No shit it's not us obsessed with chromosomes.
>>40708077
Funny enough his own work on intersex kids should've hinted at this but sexology ignored the signs, choosing instead to blame the parents when their assigned gender didn't stick.
>>40712751
So you're saying you'd definitely be cool if someone botched a routine genital surgery so bad they surgically reassigned you about it then gave you cross-sex hormones at puberty without even telling you?
Anonymous No.40714012
>>40701017 (OP)
Anonymous No.40714061
>>40706249
>i still believe it is femininity that people desire
Hell no. Femininity is big turn off to me, whether it's a gay dude or a trans woman