Thread 40935079

>notice misandry
>label it misogyny
Why are trans women like this?

>>40935079 (OP)
what are examples of this

>>40935079 (OP)
mogs me

>>40935092
she complains about being hated due to misogyny, but she's actually being hated because of misandry (people see her as stepping too far outside of male gender roles)

>>40935079 (OP)
it's true. The feminists who hate trans women only hate trans women because they view them as men. Everything negative you hear cis women say openly about trans women are the same things they think about cis men.

>>40935092
Trans women claiming 'misogyny' when they are discriminated for being feminine males

>>40935079 (OP)
Trans women call misandry misogyny because of gender dysphoria. Everyone else does it because of misandry.

>>40935114
and not JUST because they are feminine - but because of the specific combination of feminine expression in a male

>>40935137
this went over my head
how does having "gender dysphoria" compel someone to label hatred of men hatred of women?

>>40935138
Yup is why so many lesbians hate trannies, they view masculinity as respectable and anything that deviates as weak....
Is why they hate other women for being feminine too, they view femininity as a weakness

>>40935106
>>40935114
i mean sure but isnt that semantics. If trans women believe they are women then it wouldnt make sense for them to say that they are being affected by
> dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against men
yes i left that final part out xP

>>40935153
but anon, lesbians are intersex, I think they, of anyone, get that a combination of masculine and feminine traits can be useful

>>40935157
I guess the issue is seeing people as like ONLY consisting of femininity vs seeing people as a combination of feminine and masculine traits no matter what their expression or identity is

>>40935079 (OP)
Because hatred of femininity in AMABs stems from seeing femininity as inferior. Misogyny

Another gynocentric tranny thread. Is sad how trannies like to validate themselves to hateful terfs rather than lovely chuds.

>>40935172
The word you’re looking for is patriarchy, which believe it or not is not synonymous with misogyny.

>>40935193
we live in a matriarchy, there is no patriarchy

>>40935193
Id say theyre synonymous. You can have misogyny without patriarchy, you cant have patriarchy without misogyny.

Another thread full of trannies calling themselves men to please some anti-feminist chuderino

>>40935169
> I guess the issue is seeing people as like ONLY consisting of femininity vs seeing people as a combination of feminine and masculine traits no matter what their expression or identity is
yeah i guess that's true
i also just use the term transphobia, i think it's silly to try to come up with microlabels for the same issue

>>40935190
TERFs and chuds are one and the same. They both want to wind the definition of 'woman' back to 'capable of carrying a baby and inferior to a man' they just come to the same conclusion via different means, but is the real world outcomes of what they want the most important part?
TERFs are very 'early 20th century infantalization of women temperance'-core and chuds? I mean theyre just outright about their goals so not much to say.

>>40935233
trans women and chuds are one and the same
its a way of enforcing restrictions on gender expression

>>40935197
Matriarchy has never existed and will probably never exist. The authorities in our world are broadly male, so by the most basic definition we live in a patriarchy.

>>40935203
There’s more to patriarchy than just misogyny, and by reducing it to misogyny, mainstream feminists get to focus on changing the parts of it that disadvantage women rather than dismantle it in its entirety. Patriarchy places all sorts of restrictions on men as well and in some cases treats men who fail to live up to its standards even more harshly than women, but by treating it simply as an ideology that says man > woman rather than patriarch > matriarch >> everyone else, it lets feminists claim maximum oppression points.

>>40935256
>Anon fundementally misunderstands the trans rights movement of the 2010s.

>>40935079 (OP)
Because the oppression trans women go through looks much more like misogyny than like misandry (which isn't an oppression in the first place).

>>40935290
Yes misogyny absolutely does effect men. But those restrictions stem from misogyny. Men are effected by misogyny. Patriarchy is the power structure that dishes out the punishment but misogny is the fuel for it.

>>40935290
matriarchy has always existed and always will, it is simply the fundamental nature of mammals where female animals exist to be protected and cared for by males, who are in turn, far more disposable. It takes 9 months to pop out a baby - and that determines our whole entire society.

>>40935313
The restrictions don’t come from misogyny, they share a common origin with misogyny, that being the elevation of the soldier-like man above all others, i.e. patriarchy.

>>40935290
Matriarchy has always existed, just not in the West

>>40935368
>dying in war is being elevated

>>40935374
especially in the West

>>40935387
Women couldn't vote not just a century ago, in most countries couldn't go to work without their husbands' approval, would get raped and blamed for it if they wore "too appealing" outfits, but yeah in idiotic 4chan users' mindsets we ive in a matriarchy just because women reject them

>>40935435
why would you need to vote when the whole system is automatically set up to cater to your interests without you having to have active involvement
voting is merely a burden for plebs

>>40935445
>automatically set up to cater to your interests
Roe v Wade got repealed 3 years ago dude

>>40935459
women want abortion to be banned so it gives status to women who bear kids
if kids are disposable a mother has less status
also women can literally just drop off unwanted babies at any hospital or fire station

>>40935368
I think we're just gonna have to agree to disagree anon.
I think we're just defining the same concept in different ways with the same conclusions.

>>40935471
Do tell anon. Does the Mountian Dew come out like how acid does at this point? Like if I licked your sweaty ass would it taste like the Dew? Would I get double XP for the weekend?

>>40935471
baits used to be believable

>>40935459
the women around here dont seem to care

>>40935526
>disagreeing with the standard narrative means you are being dishonest deliberately

>>40935445
The whole institution of marriage exists primarily for men to ensure paternity and exercise authority over their wives. How is that a system set up to cater to women’s interests rather than men’s?

>>40935493
My main contention is that “misogyny” is a poor term for the system/ideology we are referring to, since it is not limited to the exclusion or hatred of women as that name might imply. I find the term patriarchy more compelling because it’s describing a system where power is vested a certain type of man.

>>40935551
Disagreeing with the "standard" narrative doesn't mean you're dishonest, being an incoherent moron does tho

>>40935558
The yeah thats prolly the difference here. Im more interested in describing the root level causes and what we can do to get rid of it rather than the power structures that result from it.
So in my mind yes men are absolutely effected by misogny, in a very real and direct way. Because if you ask me hatred of women is what results in hatred of femininity which is what results in the repression of men. So misogyny while patriarchy is a less roundabout definition.

>>40935607
everything I say is perfectly coherent, females cannot face criticism in a matriarchy, as you are proving.

>>40935079 (OP)
Libtards treat political correctness as a religion. Some groups are okay for libtards to generalise, which are:
>Men, but when it comes to specifics it's white men.
>White people, specifically white men, sometimes white women, sometimes they're seen as victims with no autonomy.
These people live for frivolous, cheap, and easy gestures that make them feel like good people. They feel like good people by how they think, feel, and say. They're shallow people with a delusional view of themselves that they're intellectuals and virtuous people.

>>40935113
yup

>>40935113
>the same things they think about cis men
what do feminists think about cis men?

>>40936332
https://archived.moe/lgbt/thread/40899347/

>>40936432
Are they any more ok with gay or bi men?

>>40936432
Feminists are just jealous that men are better at everything. Even better at being women.

>>40935157
It's more effective to just ask,
"Why am I being hated?"

If you're being hated for things people don't like about men, then...

>>40938881
women hate men

>>40938986
Women hate women.

>>40935079 (OP)
>notice toxic masculinity
>label it misandry
why are incels like this?

>>40939091
toxic masculinity is a byproduct of female social control over men

>>40939060
>>40938986
And men hate themselves

>>40939091
I think the draft is toxic masculinity, and should be abolished. The frontlines shouldn't be a male space.

>>40939281
men are not encouraged by women to love themselves

>>40939328
They fucking win
I get it
I'll leave

>>40939359
hurting female feelings is the worst offense a man can commit

>>40939359
A lot of men's perception of their self-worth comes from how women perceive them. So some men would rather avoid feeling bad over feeling good. Also women outright said they hate being approached, so some men got wind of this and assessed the risk not being worth the reward.

>>40939415
even just talking to a woman can result in a felony charge of "sexual harassment" if she doesn't find you attractive

>>40935079 (OP)
because misandry doesnt exist and theyre right

>>40939443
So it's wise for men to never approach.
>>40939455
So when the trans subreddit discriminated against trans men that wasn't misandry?

>>40939490
its wise for women to not be given such unrestrained power to have men caged for displeasing them

>>40939505
Men will always be disposable in society's eyes. From my understanding, the draft gave men the right to vote in the US, while women can vote without having to sign up for the draft. If true, that's evidence of female privilege.

>>40939563
society won't change if people accept the status quo as inevitable

>>40939415
>A lot of men's perception of their self-worth comes from how women perceive them
weird. why cant their self worth come from themselves? women have started doing this way before they even thought about it yknow... why cant they be more like women and accept that self love is sometimes enough to give you self worth? that is, as long as you make sure youre a good person and not a total jerk.

>>40939490
>when the trans subreddit discriminated against trans men that wasn't misandry?
it couldve been classified as transmisandry. but also discrimination against trans men doesnt really exist on a systemic level because theyre men and therefore benefit from the patriarchy and do not suffer from it unlike trans women. to say they face the same amount of violence by equating their discrimination to misogyny as "misandry" would be discrimination against those who really are oppressed, which are trans and cis women.

>>40939505
what does this even mean? arent you the guys who are caging yourselves regardless of what foids think about you? also, see? that proves you dont need their opinion to truly be happy with yourself. youre just embarrassed about being into it so you blame women for it, but in reality its you who likes it in the first place.

>>40939583
women control society by demonizing men who are not submissive, completely, to their will

>>40939598
you are utterly delusional and projecting your sexual fantasies into what you pretend is your view of the world.

>>40939608
I don't want sex with women, I want them to not have such tyrannical power over men.

>>40939575
Yeah, I know. I can't do anything about it, just saying how it is.
>>40939583
>weird. why cant their self worth come from themselves
Because most people don't think.
>women have started doing this way before they even thought about it yknow
Then why do women get worked up over sexually attractive women in media?
>the patriarchy
If men are better off, why do they kill themselves at a much higher rate than women?

>>40939643
communicating about how women have too much social control over society is a start

>>40939632
wouldnt it be better to have as much tyrannical power over men as women do? wouldnt it be better to just be a woman?

>>40939643
>Because most people don't think.
TRVTHNVKE

>Then why do women get worked up over sexually attractive women in media?
they dont? they only get worked up if its specifically pandered towards cishet men, because it fulfills the stereotypes that support the patriarchy and stuff. but they dont get worked up over the attractiveness itself. if it were all for them, then they wouldnt be complaining in the first place

>why do they kill themselves at a much higher rate than women?
because theyre stupid and missing the chance to be the woman they really are.

>>40939746
ur a woman right, ur biased

>>40939844
im not biased, women are just always right and men are always wrong, cope

>>40939858
go back to mexico

>>40939873
argentina* but pretty close, nice try

>>40939893
ur brown

>>40935153
the only queer people that like masculinity are cis fags. everyone else hates it

>>40939963
>queer

>>40935079 (OP)
>misandry
no such thing.
>misogyny
she labeled it right.
incels sure love to make it look like man are the ones being oppressed just because they're man. fuck off

>>40939490
>So when the trans subreddit discriminated against trans men that wasn't misandry?
whatever shit that happened at fucking reddit that was just transphobia

>>40940131
reddit sux

misandry is real

what an ugly whore

>>40935079 (OP)
>fag bashed
>women most affected

>>40942646
women are always the victims, men are always the predators

>>40935193
>>40935203
Sadly, neither exists, despite the faith of academia.

>>40935106
its femmephobia. if you read her work you'd understand why she calls it misogyny. people do not actually like expressions of femininity, it is just tolerated in cis women because it can be naturalised to their sex. 'forgiven'. gay men, feminine men, transsexual women - these are expressions of femininity that cannot be naturalised and so the negative reaction people have to femininity is made apparent. it is how cis women would be (and often are!) treated if there was not a societal expectation to allow some limited feminine expression specifically for them.

the reason she calls it misogyny is because she has identified that devaluing femininity relative to masculinity is the common factor in all of these things.

>>40942705
people don't like expressions of femininity in males, because it's males imitating the behavior of the privileged caste - which is insulting to the privileged

>>40942708
i think thats mental sorry

>>40942714
mental illness means behavior that threatens the matriarchy, so in a sense, yes, but what you really fear is female power being challenged so openly

>>40942720
no i just think its a bit crazy to earnestly believe that women have power in the way you describe. if you're a tranny it suggests you've not yet experienced how brutal things can be for average women. keep yourself safe nona you're in for a rude awakening

>>40942724
women have evolved for millions of years to have social power over men, this control extends to shaming men for daring to even speak out against it

>>40942731
yeah you're crazy sorry. im not shaming you but you're quite sheltered. i think the only way men might have a disadvantage relative to women is how cold the world can be when you're read as male. it is nice to be treated with warmth. in every other instance the world is harder for me now i am read as female. i am constantly having to fight to be respected and taken seriously at work, i'm always away of how physically vulnerable i am now, people generally just do not listen to me or otherwise treat me as slightly less human, etc. im not sure what social power you're referring to at all.

>>40942742
>you're crazy
anyone trying to speak out against female abuse of power is labeled insane to discredit them so the system can perpetuate endlessly
females have power by shaming men

>>40935079 (OP)
Becase women are like this too.

>>40942705
>its femmephobia

Which ironically enough stems from women. The things women would hate to see in a partner such as a man showing vulnerability. I would even go far enough to say that gay male dynamics are arranged based off of how women perceive men, as a display for women. Being feminine is always made to be a humiliating thing, while appealing to women is empowering.

It's insane when you realize just how this shit snowballs from a guy showing any emotion at all

>>40935172
Hatred of femininity comes from women and from men trying to perform for women.

>>40942742
>>40942724
Of course it's not fucking easy because women go out of their way to make things harder for other women too. The ones responsible for much of the transphobia you experience is women.

>>40939202
This.

Our female overlords admitting that misandry exists and is directly enabled by feminism is still decades away. Possibly centuries.

>>40945423
Not really, just the fact that people are in total denial that women have any influence at all

>>40939455
I have this feeling you're not attracted to AMaBs or make exceptions for transwomen.

>>40945423
I don't wanna wait!

>gay male dynamics are arranged based off of how women perceive men, as a display for women
YUP
once you realize this, the gay obsession with top/bottom makes more sense
women are really offended by male egalitarianism because it slices them out of the equation on principle cuz women can't have non-parasitic relationships

>>40947430
I agree 100%

>>40947689
Its funny that women throw up all these layers of obfuscation to prevent you from figuring out the truth. When I was a babygay teen I thought the whole bottom/top thing was very odd and strange and unnatural and tried to avoid it - but you really can't vers are like 20% of gays on dating apps. And everyone is ASKED to label themselves.

>>40945342
its kinda insane that women set the rules for men AND for other women

that's one ugly bitch

>>40944654
like what?

>>40947430
>>gay male dynamics are arranged based off of how women perceive men, as a display for women
this is true, i'm a bottom because i want to be the parasite

>>40949179
its not about being the parasite its about being the owned one, the one whose opinions matter less
and women equate being penetrated with acting feminine even though you can be a masculine acting bottom or a feminine acting top, or, heaven forbid, vers

>>40939281
I love me.

>>40939415
>A lot of men's perception of their self-worth comes from how women perceive them.
that is so fucking gay but also true. Thank the Lord I don't care how I'm perceived. It unironically works better for you if you don't care, people (women included) respect you way more.

>>40939583
>weird. why cant their self worth come from themselves?
It should and does in many cases but feminism has taught men that everything masculine is bad and toxic.
>weird
fucking idiot, it's not weird. Misandry permeates every facet of society.
>women have started doing this way before they even thought about it
Most women do not find happiness within and rely on external validation. You are delusional
>doesnt really exist on a systemic level because theyre men and therefore benefit from the patriarchy
Okay you're trolling or a fucking idiot.
>>40939598
This and men are being more and more submissive and it's absurd. It's like most men have forgotten who and what they are.
>>40939608
You're the delusional one. You think patriarchy benefits men when women are given every advantage over men for diversity causes? You do not live in reality and are genuinely unintelligent. Women are great but the ones who cling to victimhood like you are low quality trash

>>40949242
you can't escape it even if you don't care

>>40949282
What? You escape it by not caring, by finding your worth inside of yourself. You only gain a sense of self worth externally if you have low self esteem and either don't have the tools or the will to change it. Stop being so pathetic. Just a generation ago men still led and now most are pussies

>>40949311
no cuz it still affects you negatively if you don't meet the rules females set

>>40942724
don't even bother sis thats just some bitter incel saying that woman have power over society over and over again till someone buys their bullshit