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Anonymous No.40983890 >>40984121 >>40984424 >>40984433 >>40988464 >>40988573 >>40988722 >>40989539 >>40991674 >>40993536
/enbygen/
General for all nonbinary, intersex, questioning, and friends.
QOTT: What is your MBTI?
QOTT2: What is your favorite school of philosophy?
Anonymous No.40984121 >>40984199
>>40983890 (OP)
>QOTT
INFP or INTP i think
>QOTT2
i dont really know much about stuff like that but stoicism has aura
Anonymous No.40984199
>>40984121
stoicism is based i should do more research on it
Anonymous No.40984424
Came here to say that I love being a bisexual man on hrt. Not falling for the honmode meme was the correct choice. In fact, I would go as far as to say that's its the honmoders who are brainwormed and not us, manmoders.
>>40983890 (OP)
INFP and absurdism
Anonymous No.40984433 >>40984973 >>40990140
>>40983890 (OP)
99% of nbs are infp
Anonymous No.40984973
>>40984433
is that true?
Anonymous No.40985026 >>40985045 >>40985160
cross dressing isn't a sexual identity. the reason nb's aren't a part of lgbt is because nb's are just playing dress up. it's not the same as say autogynephillia. autosexuality belongs in sexual identity minorities. crossdressing in and of itself isn't a sexual identity because there isn't necessarily a sexual component to it like in transvestic fetishism.

that's why you guys are off-topic and seen as trenders riding coat tails. that's why you're hated. you even tried to co-opt intersexism like see saphism occurs naturally. intersex is a medical condition. it's not lgbt. they can be gay or bi or trans allowing them to be a part of lgbt, but just being interesex is not the same as transsexualism because we can't put to the root of the problem definitively whereas there's ambiguity to the transsexual experience.
Anonymous No.40985045 >>40985070
>>40985026
retard-kun... most of us are also transsexual (i think)... those types are on twitter and reddit...
and intersex has been established as part of lgbt for a while now
Anonymous No.40985070 >>40985085 >>40985888 >>40985904 >>40985919
>>40985045
you're not transsexuals. if you were, then you would be binary.
Anonymous No.40985085
>>40985070
are you aware that sex and gender are separate things? you can be transsexual and still be nonbinary gender
Anonymous No.40985160
>>40985026
Third gender has existed in history for forever
Anonymous No.40985678
i got some copper dowsing rods delivered today, they will be very useful in honing my telekinesis
Anonymous No.40985888
>>40985070
How or why binary ?
Gender is by chromosomes, two genders male or female.
Maybe you can explain your answer.
I'm kinda agreeing with you in some way society treat's the transgender and intersex different
Anonymous No.40985904
>>40985070
I'm a nonbinary transsexual woman
Anonymous No.40985919
>>40985070
I'm a faggot yes I am aware
Anonymous No.40985934 >>40986635 >>40987065 >>40988464
how did you guys figure out you were intersex? I've been kinda starting to think I might be but I'm afraid to ask my parents questions that will come with questions of their own.
Anonymous No.40986635 >>40988749
>>40985934
I am heavily suspicious that I am intersex to some degree, maybe walking the line due to my super masculine face, broad shoulders, and natural clitoromegaly. I have never persued medical answers, but once I started taking T, it pushed me entirely into a masculine appearance and I pretty much never got called "she" during my masc phase. I'm in my femme phase now and I still get called "he"
Anonymous No.40987065 >>40987098
>>40985934
I grew boobies and I wasn’t supposed to do that.
Anonymous No.40987098 >>40988464
>>40987065
is this really an indicator? i developed gynecomastia at the onset of puberty but i thought that was just a normal thing that happened to some boys
Anonymous No.40988308 >>40988515
I wish I had a pen pal. I really love stationary and journaling, I think it would be super fun to pass letters back and forth with someone. Maybe I'll start writing letters to inmates
Anonymous No.40988464 >>40988567
>>40983890 (OP)
QOTT: ESTP
QOTT2: Mind-body dualism
>>40985934
I was raised gender neutral because my parents are woke, during puberty I developed both masculine and feminine traits and when I went to the doctor they found out I have both male & female reproductive parts
>>40987098
It can be, if it goes away after puberty it's likely benign and just an effect of the hormonal changes during that period but if it persists it's worth looking into. I recommend looking through the InterACT glossary for information about specific intersex variations
Anonymous No.40988515
>QOTT: What is your MBTI?
i just did the questionnaire for the first time in a while. picrel; INTJ-T. tfw 1%er
>QOTT2: What is your favorite school of philosophy?
i'm not really the type to think much about this stuff, ironically, i guess, but i probably subscribe to absurdism. i tried reading the meditations a while ago to learn myself stoicism and it was completely meaningless to me. aside from that, i've never really read and do not really know about anything.
>>40988308
i feel the same.....i've always wanted to write to a friend because it seems much more thoughtful and comfy and less pressing than text messages or talking in person but i'm not sure i ever will
Anonymous No.40988567
>>40988464
it persisted at least until i stated hrt. now they're bigger obv for better or for worse lole. that is interesting..my voice also naturally sits in the female register and my hands and head are the same size as my mom's. i never really thought anything of that stuff bc i don's align with any intersex variations i've ever heard dicussed, but hearing this and others itt sort of makes me wonder now. i spose i will look into that
Anonymous No.40988573 >>40988726
>>40983890 (OP)
is it ok to nb cope if i still dont pass after ffs and ba
Anonymous No.40988722
>>40983890 (OP)
left Hegelianism. all subsequent philosophy thus far has been worthless. even most left Hegelianism is trash.
Anonymous No.40988726
>>40988573
you can do whatever you want honey bunches
Anonymous No.40988749 >>40988756
>>40986635
lmao
>masc phase
T is pretty fucking permanent
Anonymous No.40988756 >>40988759
>>40988749
Um, yea? That's the whole point
Anonymous No.40988759 >>40988771 >>40988858
>>40988756
so, there's no regression into a "fem" phase
you're a transman
Anonymous No.40988771
>>40988759
What makes you say that?
Anonymous No.40988858 >>40989345
>>40988759
>almost every mt[whatever] is just a man bc testosterone
? i think i must be confused but this doesn't seem to follow nonny
Anonymous No.40989345 >>40989740
>>40988858
They're mad because I took Testosterone and don't identify as a male
Anonymous No.40989494 >>40990476 >>40992373
im afraid i may be enbycoping bc i dont want to voice train but idk. i kinda just want to be a woman without putting in any everyday effort. or caring about social stuff.
Anonymous No.40989539 >>40989576 >>40989589
>>40983890 (OP)
>/enbygen/
>general for all... intersex...
i dont want to be included with you delusional freaks. i have a medical condition you have a mental illness. learn the difference.
Anonymous No.40989576
>>40989539
then leave
Anonymous No.40989589
>>40989539
Idk what you have but my intersex condition definitely makes me LGBT. I'd have to transition if I wanted to be either gender
Anonymous No.40989740
>>40989345
i know that but what they're saying doesn't make sense to me even in general,, like that the majority presence of testosterone is a permanent determiner of your identity or whatever
Anonymous No.40990028
men and women scare me, i dont want to be like either of them
Anonymous No.40990140
>>40984433
REAL i love being cool and different
t. entp
Anonymous No.40990147 >>40990208 >>40990476
Hi nonbinary people. I'm glad you exist. I hope you have a good day/evening
Anonymous No.40990208
>>40990147
Anonymous No.40990476 >>40990515
>>40989494
i know the practicality of it is a little dicey but you can do that, nona. nothing wrong with the unadulterated You :) desu though if it really is just about effort and not because you prefer your voice, i might recommend voice-training, anyways...it is very often the difference between passing and not, and will more than likely allow you to avoid a lot of hassle without needing to put effort into or care abt anything else.
don't feel pressured, though; be you and do you. those are just my two cents
>>40990147
i'm glad you exist friend <3
Anonymous No.40990515 >>40991139 >>40991674 >>40992361
>>40990476
voice training just feels fake to me. like its an act i would be putting on. if my voice was naturally feminine, i wouldnt have a problem with it. i just want to be me, not some sort of act i have to keep up every day. i dont want to perform anything.
Anonymous No.40991139 >>40991267
>>40990515
nta, but I mean, you gotta learn to walk, too, before you do it every day. that doesn't mean it's artificial.
Anonymous No.40991267 >>40991521 >>40992361
>>40991139
It feels more like forcing yourself to walk on all fours when you already know how to walk.
Anonymous No.40991521 >>40992304
>>40991267
Maybe! I don't think we can make our spines work like a quadruped, though, and I definitely think people can (with some amount of professional help or advice) use their voices in a different way without damage or breaks, and make that the default. I've incorporated a lot of gendered behavior that I never remember was trained-in. It appears as genuine to others as what I started with and is more comfortable now than what I was doing before.

Part of becoming more ok with being trans has been learning about/experimenting with what is "fake" and what is "real" and the value I give to either.
Anonymous No.40991674 >>40992304
>>40983890 (OP)
>QOTD
none of them really, I know they only account for introversion and extroversion but I'm not either of those. Then idk what the other letters are for in the four letter personality types
>QOTT2
idk about a favorite one but I like the philosophy of mind bc I've been able to use it to better explain various gender things.
>>40990515
>if my voice was naturally feminine
anon no one's voice is "naturally" anything because the entire difference between weather something is "natural" or "unnatural" is human influence, and since you're human nothing about you or anyone else is "natural". to be unnatural and to be artificial is to be human &/or human influenced.
Anonymous No.40992279 >>40992361
good morning nonbineys
Anonymous No.40992304 >>40992361
>>40991674
i mean feminine as in a cis womans voice. if testosterone had never poisoned me.
>>40991521
i dont want to "train" anything. i dont want to constantly strain my voice.
Anonymous No.40992361 >>40992395
>>40990515
>>40991267
i totally understand that. i think the other anons are right, but that doesn't make you wrong. obviously, that doesn't make them wrong, either, though (in my opinion, i spose).
and i do tend to agree with them, even though i sympathize deeply with your perspective. almost everything in life we have to learn from others. almost everything in life we have to work for. this might include your voice! i think of it a lot like stretching. when you sing consistently, and you practice and warm up and do everything you're supposed to, your vocal range will literally expand. even in speech. you will have more clarity and more ease reaching pitches and tones which might have been difficult before. it's like stretching a muscle. until four months ago i had never touched my forehead to my shins. now i can do that because i stretched. singing Hide and Seek by Imogen Heap is really hard for me unless i've been singing for a while. and even then it's still hard lol. but the POINT is that i don't think it's so much artifice or pretense as you feel. i'm not pretending to be able to put my face between my knees and i'm not pretending to be able to sing Hide and Seek; those are just things i can do (i actually probably can't sing Hide and Seek right now but that's besides the point) because i worked at them. you're not pretending to have a "female-sounding" voice, either; it's just how your voice sounds. or will sound.
>>40992279
good morning nonbiney :)
>>40992304
>if testosterone had never poisoned me.
here's something else to think about: detransitioned cis women often have to train their voices back to being "passable"; you are a woman, no? what's so fake about putting in a little work on the vocal front so that people don't get confused?
it is, of course, up to you. as is everything. be comfortable and live the way you like. it's just something to think about.
Anonymous No.40992373 >>40992395
>>40989494
>i kinda just want to be a woman without putting in any everyday effort
idk this doesn't sit right with me. anon do you even realize how much effort cis women put in every day? skincare, makeup, hair care, shaving, nails... no shade to women who just "roll out of bed" but it's pretty well known in society that women put tons of effort into their appearance daily
Anonymous No.40992395 >>40992487 >>40992494
>>40992361
i think if i was a cisf detransitioner i wouldnt give a shit about trying to bring my old voice back. i might have to think on that a little more though.
>>40992373
i want to be the woman who rolls out of bed. i dont care about looking my best, i just want to look like im female. ive known women like this, and they are my goal.
Anonymous No.40992487 >>40992494 >>40992507
>>40992395
this is all okay! like i said, you're not wrong for feeling the way you do. i really get it, i promise. i felt the same way about a lot of stuff years ago and i actually mostly feel the same nowadays, too. if you want to rock the unadulterated self i think you should. you are allowed to live however you like and anyone who tells you you're wrong for that can fuck off.
that said, this may be a temper-your-expectations sort of thing...unfortunately it's not always possible for tranners to just roll out of bed like that. i know what you're talking about and i get it. but please do not put undue pressure on yourself. i did that years ago and it just made me really sad.
Anonymous No.40992494 >>40992507
>>40992395
>>40992487
>it's not always possible for tranners to just roll out of bed like that
This
Anonymous No.40992507 >>40992717
>>40992487
>>40992494
yeah i guess its time to just accept that this run is fucked. maybe in the next life.
Anonymous No.40992717
>>40992507
this is really not the message i was trying to impress here nona
i think this is something you will learn on your own, anyways. it will probably take time. you are not doomed. you just need to take the little tangrams of life and put them together somehow that makes you happiest. that's all anyone can really do. personally i'm a pretty big fan of this snail
Anonymous No.40993331
Since I became a neet I gained 20 lbs. It makes me feel like shit. I just snack all day because I'm so bored
Anonymous No.40993536 >>40994624
>>40983890 (OP)
>QOTT
INTP
>QOTT2
I'm not sure, if you have a quiz that spits out a school of thought I can answer. Or if you have questions you want to throw at me I can answer them so you can glimpse into my inner world.

Am I really non binary, or am I just coping with dysphoria and shielding myself, using a demigender to avoid fully identifying as the gender I initially wanted to transition to?
Anonymous No.40993598
nobody wants to hire me bc i have a 2 year gap on my resume :-(
Anonymous No.40993628 >>40993651
should i sign up for college at the last minute i have no idea what im doing but im doing nothing with my life
Anonymous No.40993651
>>40993628
Just don't take up too much debt. Do it as close to "free" as possible. Then sure. Otherwise, don't
raven !!TR3Qiy81utk No.40993657 >>40993786
idk what MBTI is supposed to mean but i assume main battle tank interest and i am personally very emotionally invested in the Sherman battle tank.

my favorite school of philosophy is stoicism cause im a sigma
Anonymous No.40993786
>>40993657
Here you go
https://www.16personalities.com/free-personality-test
Anonymous No.40993906 >>40994480
Idk why people keep coming in here talking about enby coping and shit. Like you would definitely *know* if you're not binary. If you have to ask yourself "am I repressing" then the answer is probably yes. Just annoying asf to have my gender used as some kind of self hate tactic
Anonymous No.40994240 >>40994305
I blame all those newfags from the subreddits for such threads

4tran culture is not your costume cissoids, go get a hobby
Anonymous No.40994305
>>40994240
One day I'm a trans man, next day I'm a cissoid... These retards will never be satisfied
Anonymous No.40994480 >>40994624
>>40993906
I don't know what to tell you, anon. I think discussing demigenders (which fall under the nonbinary umbrella) in the nonbinary thread is pretty on-topic, even if (You) don't like it.
Anonymous No.40994624 >>40994669
>>40993536
>>40994480
>am I just coping with dysphoria and shielding myself, using a demigender to avoid fully identifying as the gender I initially wanted to transition to?
yeah ok.
Anonymous No.40994669 >>40994691
>>40994624
>questioning one's own gender is...le bad!
Anonymous No.40994691 >>40994713
>>40994669
>using a demigender to avoid...identifying as the gender I initially wanted to
reading comprehension when
Anonymous No.40994713 >>40994743
>>40994691
Let me rephrase it then, because you're not understanding what I meant by that
>Uncomfortable as my AGAB
>Transition to opposite binary gender
>Still uncomfortable
>Learn about demigenders
>It feels more comfortable than my AGAB and its opposite binary gender
>Time passes
>Wonder whether I really identify as demigender or whether I'm just hiding something I'm not aware of
Is my questioning valid under your scrutiny now, mx fancypants?
Anonymous No.40994743 >>40994808
>>40994713
yah . you should choose your words more carefully next time xister , to avoid looking like a bumbling fool .
Anonymous No.40994803 >>40994844
im enby because when i look in the mirror i see a man, i dont like it but this is my life. the idea of calling myself a woman makes me feel physically sick
Anonymous No.40994808
>>40994743
Okay, okay, noted on that
Now help me unravel this thing, it's driving me insane with self doubt
Anonymous No.40994844
>>40994803
trvke