Thread 41312750

My fellow queers, why are you taking HRT and trying to actually pass instead of turning yourself into an androgenous clown to fight drumpf and the white patriarchy? Don't you realize that your toxic rhetoric is transphobic to the she/they queer girlies we have here at the office? I had a productive conversation with them the other day and we realized that so many of these males have their misogynistic views of what us women look like formed by western pornography. Women can be going bald and have dark facial hair and a beer gut, and those masculine features don't make him any less of a woman!

>>41312750 (OP)
TL;DR sipling is an asshole who thinks wanting to look like a woman makes you a porn addict and a racist.

>>41312750 (OP)
I don't understand this argument. Sure hrt and passing isn't the goal for all people, but it is for many, probably most. Why is it harmful to have that perspective represented? If you don't identify with it just ignore it, its not about you

If you dont look like picrel you kinda hurting the democracy chud

>>41312750 (OP)
I hate that theyfabs view queerness as purely a defiant political statement against society. like yes there is some defiance that comes with being queer but I'm like this because it's the way I am, not because I want to prove a point to society.

>>41312750 (OP)
I really don't get what these "muh eurocentrism" people want from me. I live in Europe in a 99% white area, and know and see women in my day-to-day life. I find online dipshitals like this very annoying.

>>41312761
The woke nontransitioner is the house negro of our time. Neoliberals try and claim otherwise, that we're "assimilationists" for actually transitioning, but they have it backwards. Theymabs and theyfabs are assimilationists, only going as far as polite society so graciously allows it's pet queers to go. Transexuals, people who are actually transitioning from one binary to the other, are the truly subversive demographic in a society that overwhelmingly hates us.

>>41312750 (OP)
>>41312761
>>41312866
Reminder that it is all part of the neoliberal playbook of divide, conquer, and commercialize. All othering terminology is pushed by this agenda including afab/amab, non-binary, transmedicalist, transfemme/transmasc, sex is not gender, female man, male woman. Divisiveness creates multiple fractured and overlapping subcultures which creates multiple market opportunities for each individual, including their opposition. Gender abolition itself has long been co-opted by capitalistic neoliberal groups that do not wish for you to have a life in harmony with your social and cultural environment. This is because harmony and contentment pacifies needs and desires, and a sense of unfulfilled needs and desires drives consumerism and makes you dependent on others. Not only do they capitalize on the minority, but then they turn it into a marketable product that they sell back to the majority, which is why now everybody identifies as trans. Fostering this identity in the majority then further enhances their stranglehold, making even those that seek harmony with their environment seek to root their transition in adopting that same commercialized identification. All the while they ignore the true material plight of the minority and injustices towards them are given lip service at the same time they're stabbed in the back.
It is the same right-leaning playbook masquerading as leftwing they do with every other marginalized group.

>>41312866
>>41313136
Fucking this so much.

>>41312750 (OP)
>places the focus on medical transition
being trans IS medically transitioning though, otherwise youre just a crossdresser

>>41312750 (OP)
Youre asking this like leftists want to solve their problems
They don’t
They want to be victims
If their current problems were solved, they would make new ones. We had 10 years of this. The only winning move is to refuse to play their game.

>>41312750 (OP)
I don't hate people who choose not to pass but I'm sick of hearing that wanting to pass is transphobic desu

>>41314012
Even being on hrt is apparently bigoted to some people

>>41314012
>2015
>"You shall not pass!" says the chud
>2025
>"You shall not pass!" says the prog

>>41312750 (OP)
>it places the focus on medical transition
Implying you're trans if you aren't transitioning medically.

>>41312750 (OP)
I'm just telling people I'm intersex now if they ask. they've turned trans into something different. why they had to lump GNC into it is beyond me, I'm sick of it.

>>41312750 (OP)
i am a white person. trying to look like another race seems bad. what am i, oli london?

>>41312761
Some non-transsexuals feel threatened by transsexual identity because it's a very modernist way to conceive of gender and they're more pomo. They don't care if their stupid bullshit insistence that we're 'the same' (we are not, they're valid but we are obviously not the same) allows righttards to take our hrt and surgeries because in their infantile fantasy land belief system that's not their fault.

>>41314105
I just really don't understand how they get the idea that we're taking anything from them by medically transitioning. I agree that people who don't do it are valid as whatever gender they are, I do not understand their perspective on this at all though. I can accept they're different but valid, why can't they do it for us?

>>41314044
Literal psyop
Also what's this shit about "white, European presentation"? Am I supposed to want to look black? And what, exactly, could they possibly mean by that?
[Speaking her finest Liberal] I'd like the author to examine their views on race and gender and get back to us.

I don't know if everyone's caught on but I'm pretty fucking white. Like one stop darker than the paint on my walls white. Lightest shade of at least one tinted moisturizer white. Washes out in group photos with other white people white. Why am I supposed to pretend to be black? That'd actually be fucked up.

>>41312783
Unfortunately so does everyone else.
>>41312866
I don't think they're actually malicious but I do think they never actually learned how to think and just write whatever dumbassed shit flows through their brains.

>>41314118
>why can't they do it for us?
because they want everyone to look like a total freakshow

>>41314138
>Am I supposed to want to look black?
You're supposed to want to be ugly. Not because black people are ugly, but because beauty standards are based on whiteness, so by trying to be attractive you're reinforcing them

>>41314087
Please don't. This is actively playing out with intersex people too. Liberals use intersex people to justify she/they pronouns and X gender markers and discard them when it actually matters, and conservatives are legally fucking them over to avoid the liberal gotcha game by pretending intersex doesn't exist.

>>41312761
Because the “trans rights movement” is not for medical transitioners, i.e. transsexuals; it’s for “gender subversives” who treat us as fellow soldiers in an ideological war against the concept of gender.

Chud here. My perspective as an outsider is that it's a crabs in bucket thing. You bettering yourselves makes them look worse.

>>41314167
I want to look like a member of the female sex class who belongs in my family of white people of predominantly Western European descent. Which falls well short of supermodel standards but notably does not include a large bearded lady contingent.

>>41314193
This
Also WTF I understand not getting surgeries because they're crazy expensive and recovery is rough and you have to be able to afford to be out of work long enough to recover. But HRT? I know people actually too poor to afford it but literally two thirds of trans people?

Transsexuals are gonna have to actually speak up and defend our needs. Shame everyone's stealth and you're faketrans if you're not (allegedly).

>>41312750 (OP)
i dont need to pass or be a woman actually. Im just a guy again

>>41312866
TRVTH NVKE

>>41312789
also this. i live in fucking europe. and i'm a white woman. what exactly am i supposed to do?

>>41314193
this is dire. the sentiment of
>you don't have to transition to be trans!!!
is the death of us. cis people appropriating our disorder have ruined everything for us. if non-schizophrenics had done the same to schizophrenics everybody would rightfully see it as terrible and inhumane.

>>41314193
>less than 1/3rd on hrt

>>41312866
yeah ive had multple cisses tell me that "maybe eventually people won't feel a need to transition"

or the years I've spent practicing compassion for non-ops only for them to sit me down and try and talk about my desire for SRS is based on "societial pressure"

A lot of "progressives" want us to be nothing more than drag queens that they can gush over. I'm pretty much done with it. I'm considering going stealth after I move countries and not interacting with the trans community moving forward

>>41315324
One of my close friends is a therapist who has experience with trans patients.
She thinks if we accepted GNC people trans people wouldn't exist. Except me, I guess. I got her to acknowledge at least there are exceptions.
It's grim.

>>41314927
nah people give less of a shit about schizophrenics than they do trannies desu. Being erratic and struggling to connect with people on the same level of reality is a barrier to any advoacy.

there is an increasing subset of people who have "alters" and treat having multiple personalities as a subculture which is similar tho

>>41312750 (OP)
Not everyone will pass. Period. So people who can't need a better thing to do with their lives than obsessing over passing if they never will pass.

>>41312866
nigga your goal is to literally lie to people ("passing", making people think you're a cis woman). you're not challenging anything.

>>41315349
GNC people are a mixed bag, I see a lot who use the labels like its a subculture thing

but then I see some who are just obvious reppers. one I know is a "Transmasc nonbinary person" who says they are into kink but their kink is exclusively using a strap on to simulate PIV sex. They have also talked about wanting top surgery but seem scared of the social ramifications, both in general society and within the lesbian community

>>41315440
Oh im sorry are we supposed to live our lives as a societal punching bag so you can nod approvingly whenever you wanna feel like "one of the good ones"

fuck youu

>>41315461
maybe stop calling people who are actually doing something "house negroes", or deny being an assimilationist

>>41314193
i wonder what these ppl like “identify as” then like are they nonbinarys? do they just think wanting to dress different makes them trans? is it including ppl who r closeted?

>>41315349
lmao average therapist. i got psyopped into enbycoping by my last one when i was like 17. she also justified my drug abuse and encouraged it

>>41315380
hypochondriacs

>>41312866
>the Jewish rights organizations in the Reich are house negroes, what the Nazis REALLY don't want the Jews to do is pretend to be Aryan, that will REALLY challenge antisemitism

>>41315461
Modern western leftism would get nowhere without designating victim classes. Yes, they want you as a permanent victim they can pretend to coddle and affirm to fluff up their own ego. If a magic chemical was discovered tomorrow that completely flipped your biological sex and regrew your skeleton and organs to match they would actively campaign against it and call it 'cis heteronormative white terrorism' or whatever insane nonsense. They don't actually want what's best for you, only what's the best they can extract from you for themselves.

>>41315470
not the person who made that post but okay go off

>>41315471
the amount of people who tried to talk me out of getting surgery is wild. I dont think i fit properly into their brains anymore,

>>41315442
You are definitely not wrong. But I think she meant more maybe I wouldn't have felt the need to transition if society accepted men in dresses and makeup and such. Like she thought I possessed some inherent feminine nature or something but that I shouldn't need to change my body over it, at least in an ideal society.
Except I hardly wear dresses, hardly use makeup, and cross-dressing with a moid body just made me feel gross.

>>41315511
cis people just dont seem to understand trans people. I've rarely met someone who just "gets" what gender dysphoria feels like. Usually the best response is "I dont understand but I accept what you say as truth"

ever noticed how all political discourse on this board takes the same form?
>the left backstabs trannies: THE LEFT IS USING TRANNIES AS AN EXPENDABLE TOOL
>the right backstabs trannies: SHOULDN'T HAVE ALLIED YOURSELVES WITH THE LEFT, YOU WENT TOO FAR THIS TIME
probably most of the posters here are polturds pretending to be trans

>>41315496
I KNOW it’s so bad i stopped going 2 the shrink and coping and started hanging around way cooler ppl and i want like 5 diff surgeries now

she gave up after a while cus she realized what she was doing wasn’t working lol

>>41315581
nah, I agree with the point about the left, but not with the point about the right

The right will never be happy with trannies existing, they only tolerate Blaire White because shes a useful idiot.

>>41315470
>actually doing something
>by co-opting your dysphoria as a trend
>and not even transitioning
ok

>>41312756
I'll believe but for myself I'm trying to be less negative and I also quit porn

>>41315494
I feel this way when I see how trans people are treated in celebrity culture, it's great to wear a 'protect the dolls' shirt and spread awareness, but then they often typecast trans people in media as clocky spicy gays, or a statement for gender abolition... hollywood could do a lot of good by casting some plain 5'6" youngshit and then just giving her the roles they would give a cis woman. But maybe that scares cis people a little or they're too mild to suggest actual HRT for youths instead of blockers until 18 or 21. I got more support as a teenager from tumblr girls in my class than famous movie star "allies" (and they were way more radical too).

>>41312750 (OP)
I am trans MtF and I support the MAGA movement and voted for Trump.

Trump is the future for the trans movement and we all should support him.

>>41315939
You could justify this in 2016, but in 2025 he's trying to designate you an extremist ideology and ban your medical care.

>>41315581
The left is using trannies as an expendable tool though. And they'll discard us as soon as we poll too badly. I know. I've seen them do it.
Remember the NDAA vote? No shame whatsoever.
>>41315939
>I have given myself a DIY lobotomy
Why would you do that?

>>41315939
do not redeem

>>41312783
They view it as such bc for them there’s no subversion, no penalty, no danger for putting a /they after she in their pronouns. They believe that because it is like this for them then surely it is like this for us. I take non-binary amabs seriously bc they actually have something to lose from it. I have yet to meet a theymab that wasn’t a scared repper though.

If you yourself are not a transexual then you need to shut the fuck up about our bodies.

>>41315471
I have 3 "trans" coworkers and I am the only one medically transitioning. So it checks out anecdotally. They are all theyfabs

>>41312750 (OP)
Im not part of the community, I just have dysphoria

>>41315939
>I am trans MtF and I support the MAGA movement and voted for Trump.
>Trump is the future for the trans movement and we all should support him.

>>41312750 (OP)
How would transmaxxing, an approach where people transition strategically for something, be considered 'transmedicalist', a belief that there are strict psychiatric requirements for dysphoria that should be required to transition?

>>41317435
Transmed now just means you think trans people are people who transition. Medically.

>>41317443
I imagine that's news to transmedicalists, who presumably also dislike transmaxxers

>>41317507
Transmedicalists hate everyone, including and especially themselves.
But yeah this is dumb. No words mean anything anymore.

>>41317528
>Transmedicalists hate everyone, including and especially themselves.
Can confirm

>>41312789
This. Im 100% European ancestry, I can't fucking help it.

>>41312750 (OP)
I hate that existing among society is such an alien concept to some people and I don't know if it's psyops or people being retarded

>>41314167
holy shit AYN Rand is seeming kinda based I agree w u asf

>>41317507
>>41317528
I consider myself more or less transmedicalist, and I just think transmaxxers are unconsciously dysphoric and often have internalized transphobia. They cope by trying to make up rational reasons to transition, but those reasons don't seem rational to actual cis men.
just because I think you have to transition to be actually trans doesn't mean I think we should have gatekeeping

>>41314193
i think it has expanded beyond the gender war because many visual trans people were attaching thier identity to the issues going on between Israel and gaza.

>>41314181
in extremely progressive spaces, most just use "any pronouns"

>>41318270
no but if you're a tucute then thinking that you have to transition to be trans IS gatekeeping, because to them all you need to do is switch the pronouns in your bio

>>41318270
I'm the second anon and I agree with all of this.
Teeeechnically I think the true core of transmedicalism is the belief gender dysphoria (or whichever diagnosis you advocate) is a legitimate medical condition for which the treatment is transition. But if you venture into Reddit transmed spaces at least in practice there's a ton of baggage attached.
I agree with their core premise but I refuse to spend my time mocking random teenagers on tiktok and pretending my gender dysphoria started in the womb.
I specifically became a woman to avoid being drug into pissing contests.
>>41318320
Any pronouns is kinda based

>>41318397
i think the true reason is that people really dont respect things like neopronouns and have just given up.

>>41314277
while there's certainly people who don't seem to want to transition yet call themselves transgender
there's another phenomenon where people point at stats like only 10% or so having srs as proof that nobody wants srs or whatever and not the reality that srs is way too fucking hard to access (remember that the same studies will tell you 90% or so want to have a vagina)

>>41312750 (OP)
I read the article but I want to point out that the expert in question in this quote is a phd student and their summary of 'transmedicalism' disagrees with published consensus
the part about 'transmaxxing' rings more true, since it's a newer terminology, and it's clear how it seems related to 'black pill' stuff and trends in current trans posts
for example, the over-emphasis towards age and genetics, especially racial genetics, and posts that say it's over without the right age and genetics, and dismissing effort as either irrelevant or only a percent in passing
you can relate those kinds of posts and draw a line to 'manosphere' and 'black pill' communities
the pornography part about 'transmedicalism' is completely made up tho, and ignores that much of the old 'truscum' discourse revolved around disagreements in the ftm community in places like tumblr
it should also be pointed out that the current use of 'transmedicalist' is often applied to anyone that is involved in any way with seeking, receiving, or defending transition medical care

>>41312750 (OP)
I've wanted to be a woman since my early teens. Fuck me, I guess. Lol

>>41312750 (OP)
>Because there are some people who don't want a thing, you're not allowed to want it either
Anyway today was the day I found out I was transphobic because I take estrogen lel

>>41312761
It's just Marxism, it's not supposed to make sense

>>41320376
marx didn't say any of this shit

>>41312789
>>41314853
>>41317696
Racist, sorry. Stop being white
t. the fag in the OP pic

>>41320376
Communism has exactly nothing to do with politically expedient theyxab nontransitioners, retard
>.t the op

>>41320376
You clearly have no idea what Marxism is