Thread 41407151

Leftism is a mental disease. Embrace liberalism.

I would say this is some kind of ragebait parody account but no, leftists are really like this. Obviously not all leftists are quite this stupid, immoral, and insane but they all possess varying degrees of stupidity, immorality, and insanity.

Liberal democracy is by far the best political system for not just trans people but all people.

>>41407151 (OP)
Reminder that under marxsism only clothing you'll be wearing is the slave rugs, and no makeup will be available.
Unless you belong to the Party elite of course

>>41407174
Lol
Liberalism is a limp noodle. Look at the U.S. right now to see what it gets you. Used like a fleshlight by the ultra conservative elite. Liberalism won't defend you. When the establishment is threatened they will just throw you under the bus, they already have.

>>41407186
This is true, but even in a hypothetical future "successful" Marxist country with much less scarcity and poverty and autocracy and oppression than the USSR or China or Cuba, life will *still* be far worse than in nearly all liberal democracies. It's a lose-lose proposition. The best you get is "oh, Jack Ma criticizes the totalitarian state? well we get to throw him in prison arbitrarily haha fuck you pigs". It's all pathetic ressentiment.

>>41407163
Whatever you think about his personality he is right about the cosmetics industry and the plastic surgery industry and the fact that trannies are slaves to both.

>>41407151 (OP)
retardation meeting: retard meets retard

>>41407193
Alright bud, please feel free to start the revolution and end democracy and install your one-party vanguard dictatorship. That'll solve everything. Let me know when you finish with it. Hopefully before 2028 rolls around.

>>41407193
Thy won't that Just leftist propaganda.

>>41407193
>When the establishment is threatened they will just throw you under the bus, they already have.
Biden and his administration were not only the most pro-trans presidency in American history but very arguably in all of world history.

Newsom, possible future president and liberal vanguard emissary, just passed a massive number of pro-trans bills a week ago, as well: https://transitics.substack.com/p/newsom-breaks-anti-trans-streak-signs

(This is posted by a leftist so they have to pretend like Newsom even had an "anti-trans" streak beyond some bullshit podcast quote. See https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/comments/1n01e17/is_gavin_newsom_a_transphobe/ for Newsom's extraordinarily pro-trans legislative and rhetorical record.)

Liberals will support you. Liberalism is all about human rights, bodily autonomy, civil freedoms, individual choice, and respect for all. Liberalism is humanism.

Marxists will claim to support you, but only as a useful pawn, and a decent chunk will eye you with suspicion as some kind of capitalist degeneracy or even outright say you are a liberal abomination. Marxism is one of many forms of anti-humanism, along with Social Darwinist ideologies like National Socialism.

Many Marxists of course feel genuine sympathy and empathy for trans people just as many liberals do, but their flawed, conspiracistic, malign ideology would only make things worse for all trans people if their goals came to fruition.

>>41407260
(Yes, I know, it's AI, but thousands of humans have compiled the same things, just less comprehensively. All of it is correct and sourced.)

>>41407239
>They already have
Biden and Kamala were already doing it, same way they were throwing immigrants under the bus. That's what liberals do when they get desperate, you mean nothing to them.

>>41407211
I'm just saying that it's retarded to pretend that liberalism is the end all be all of trans rights lol. They strip all of those rights away in a heartbeat if they thought it would win them the election, which Biden and Kamala tried to do

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Biden will do all this shit and nearly every single leftist will say "liberals and Democrats will throw you under the bus the second they get the opportunity". No they fucking won't. A tiny few of the more centrist or center-right self-identifying liberals like Matt Yglesias might, but they have no power or sway in the Democratic party. And even someone like Yglesias is overall extremely pro-trans compared to even the most moderate Republican.

You're probably not even going to read any of it and will just cling to your delusions like so many leftists do.

Liberal Democrat governor of Maine Janet Mills fought with Trump publicly, in-person, over trans rights just a few months ago.

I could list endless more examples. You people have worms in your brains.

>>41407269
If you enter a country illigaly you have no right to be here.

>>41407283
Read the fucking screenshots. Neither Biden nor Harris tried to do that at all. The biggest Trump campaign ad that worked against Harris was about her saying she would use state funding to help prisoners get gender reassignment surgery, and she refused to retract or apologize for that.

Biden and Harris and essentially every single Democratic leader and politician at all levels overwhelmingly supports minority rights more than nearly every other political party in nearly every other nation on Earth. You people just don't educate yourselves, despite telling liberals they're uneducated all day.

You people are so infuriating. Liberals are not throwing minorities under the bus and would not do that. Just because liberals (very rightfully) hate communists does not mean they hate minorities or don't care about them.

>>41407174
Cute trans girls BELONG to white nationalists

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>>41407297
And on that note they weren't throwing immigrants under the bus either. Trump wasn't wrong about how much the Biden administration didn't give a shit about illegal administration (whether one thinks that's a good or bad or neutral thing; I personally don't really give a shit about illegal immigration as it seems to generally be positive for the country and their crime rates are lower than native citizens' - though if someone does care about it I don't really care if they want increased border security).

You're just repeating inane leftist talking points over and over because you can't imagine anybody but leftists are moral. In America, in my opinion, liberals are mainly the only actual people on the left of the political spectrum, while most leftists are basically kind of like weird right-wingers with several different bits and polarities flipped and then some bizarre unsubstantiated pseudoscientific economic theories (and then, like MAGA, they say that no actually it's the entire field of economics that's pseudoscience and only their economic views that ~0.3% of economists hold are correct, like the antivax nonsense).

>>41407321
White nationalists and all other far-right factions are even more evil, delusional, and unintelligent than leftists.

>>41407283
Being trans is not a right is a delusion you should be in asylum. Is not dem fault of lgtbq being ban you people force down your bullshit down people throat now is coming down home. This is own you.

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>>41407297
And on that note they weren't throwing immigrants under the bus either. Trump wasn't wrong about how much the Biden administration didn't give a shit about illegal immigration (whether one thinks that's a good or bad or neutral thing; I personally don't really give a shit about illegal immigration as it seems to generally be positive for the country and their crime rates are lower than native citizens' - though if someone does care about it I don't really care if they want increased border security).

You're just repeating inane leftist talking points over and over because you can't imagine anybody but leftists are moral. In America, in my opinion, liberals are mainly the only actual people on the left of the political spectrum, while most leftists are basically kind of like weird right-wingers with several different bits and polarities flipped and then some bizarre unsubstantiated pseudoscientific economic theories (and then, like MAGA, they say that no actually it's the entire field of economics that's pseudoscience and only their economic views that ~0.3% of economists hold are correct, like the antivax nonsense).

>>41407329
you should probably learn how to speak english before trying to write things on the internet

>>41407328
I am not, we need to PROTECT white lgbt folks against hordes of savage "global south" people especially cute trans WOMEN

>>41407337
This is 4chan we are not your personal army.

>>41407354
see: >>41407337 about learning english as apparently you do not know what that phrase means

>>41407353
We need to deport you vermin to some place that more fits your anti-Western values. Perhaps Saudi Arabia. Then you can get the nice theocratic ethnostate you yearn for.

>>41407255
>Biden
Your entire argument is already invalidated lol. Of course liberals have done good for trans people and lgbt in general (compared to conservatives at least), but my point is that this isn't based on principal, it's based on what they think will get them the most votes. Regardless of what Biden and Kamala did during their administration (largely good), the fact that Kamala, with the backing of the democrat party, on her campaign trail backed off on her support of trans issues immediately vindicates what I'm saying.
This is exactly what they did with immigration, concede to Republican framing to try to win cheap votes (and failed) and their only takeaway publicly has been that they needed to lean MORE into Republican framing to win. All I'm saying here is that pretending that liberals in power will actually protect lgbt issues when challenged is retarded. Newsom would turn on everything he's ever done if someone tells him he needs to to win.

>>41407365
I live in a white ethnostate and no migrant will be allowed in unless they are white sweetie

listen:
we shouldn't be bailing out argentina at the cost of food stamps! are you fucking me? they're so fucking stupid. let's just gut usaid and let our subsidized farming industry fail. that sounds great. literally voted to make their own grocery prices go up just so they could /own the libs/.

there is no winning with their kind. none. they'll wear a maga hat to the no kings protest. oh you ignored them and didn't give them any attention? /libs were scared shitless by a hat./ you beat the shit out of them? /libs are so violent. the radical left./ when are you guys going to get it. they lack emotional maturity. you cannot win with people like them. you can only lose with grace or set them up to win something that benefits you. if you don't play king maker with them, then they'll just shit on everything.

>>41407151 (OP)
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>>41407255
The level of libtard cope in 2025 is insane. Your ideology has not only failed, it has completely collapsed. You lost to a senile boomer retard who posts AI slop on his social media of himself literally shitting on you. People capable of shame or introspection would probably ask why this has happened, but instead you make threads about singular random xitter users who are probably 19 year old retarded college sophomores saying something 'phobic while excusing Gruesome Gavin (governor of CA and darling of the libtard media class) vetoing key trans rights protections and openly being 'phonicbecause he signed a bunch of not as important stuff. If I had to cope this hard about my political ideology I would be embarrassed, but thankfully the org I'm in is as pro trans as ever if not even more pro trans now.

>>41407374
One needs to modulate rhetoric to have an increased chance of winning a general election, and when the stakes are "it's either Trump or this" there's little room for error. There's zero doubt that if Harris had won her administration would have been extremely pro-LGBT and pro-minority and obviously would have treated illegal migrants infinitely better than the Trump administration is now. Maybe they'd add some more border guards or something but that's probably it.

Newsom is definitely a bit of a cynical pragmatist, but, again, read https://transitics.substack.com/p/newsom-breaks-anti-trans-streak-signs

What electoral - or other - benefit does he gain from doing this one week ago? One can try to come up with various rationales or say he's just doing it for some complex instrumental purpose or whatever the fuck. Maybe he possibly is, I don't know. Either way, the vast majority of liberal Democratic politicians support trans people, as do most Democratic voters, organizers, etc. Both in word and in deed.

>>41407397
Read https://transitics.substack.com/p/newsom-breaks-anti-trans-streak-signs and https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/comments/1n01e17/is_gavin_newsom_a_transphobe/ please

And I'm not trying to die on some Newsom hill. He's just one of many examples of all the misinformation and perhaps disinformation leftists spread as often as they breathe.

Plus it's all a fucking moot point. Whether the candidate is Newsom or someone else and maybe whether they even take some less pro-trans turn, they're obviously going to be dozens of orders of magnitude more pro-trans than fucking Vance. You people are pathetic and often pure evil.

>>41407151 (OP)
Is not leftist is marxist ideology that is disease we need to eradicate karl max from history.

>>41407404
You're accusing me of 'misinformation' because I have eyes and ears and can read Newsom's anti-trans comments and listen to him say them, and you're linking me a substack and a reddit thread as 'proof.'
This was 3 days ago you fucktard:
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-10-17/newsom-vetoes-key-health-measure-transgender-politics

>>41407397
Seriously, just read the fucking screenshots. You like to tell liberals to read so often. Please read them.

Here they are again:

Screenshot 1 - >>41407255
Screenshot 2 - >>41407260
Screenshot 3 - >>41407264

I even included one of them again.

Biden and his administration were the most pro-trans administration in US history and possibly world history. Kamala Harris's administration very likely would've been around the same. Your lies work on your own kind but no one else.

And if you think some socialist candidate would have won against Trump in 2024 you're insane. If you refused to vote for Harris you're not only insane but also the epitome of evil.

If you want to campaign for a socialist candidate for the 2028 Democratic primary, sure, whatever, do what you like. But if you refuse to help defeat Trump/Vance, you are a de facto Trump/Vance supporter and should be spat upon. I don't like socialism but I and 99% of liberals would vote for a socialist Democratic candidate in 2028 in the general election if they were to win the primary. Leftists just don't understand what's at stake.

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>>41407163
All (((communist))) and (((socialist))) orgs where I am fucking hate troons

>>41407432
Still read it anyway. Look at the bills he passed.

>“At a time when individuals are facing double-digit rate increases in their health care premiums across the nation, we must take great care to not enact policies that further drive up the cost of health care, no matter how well-intended,” Newsom wrote.

I don't know how correct or justifiable that objection is or if the veto made any sense or not. I'm not a diehard Newsom supporter or whatever. I think he probably shouldn't have vetoed it. Still, this is always the pattern. Someone will do 100 good things and 1 neutral, questionable, or bad thing and leftists will spend all day pointing at the bad thing to say liberals and liberalism are evil.

>>41407445
Racists, sexists, and antisemites like yourself are even worse than socialists. Kill yourself.

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>>41407432
Note this is a Substack written by, from what I can tell, a leftist trans person who dislikes Newsom and liberals.

https://transitics.substack.com/p/newsom-breaks-anti-trans-streak-signs

Post published one week ago.

>>41407151 (OP)
>>41407163
>yes don't do anything! Be a useless homeless layabout! You wouldn't want to participate in the exploitative capitalist system. Don't even breathe too much you might be wasting air!
I swear this is a retarded cointelpro psyop to make sure leftist movements collapse in infighting.

>>41407435
Nothing is at stake you leftist are just delusional. Go touch grass the world is not ending because of trump.

>>41407469
who needs cointelpro when trots exist

>>41407470
I'm not talking to you, sweetie.

>>41407470
>Nothing is at stake
libs have the best slogans

>>41407483
You're replying to a MAGA person. I (OP) am a liberal. That's some weird right-winger who's trolling the thread.

They're likely these (possibly wrong about a few)

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>>41407498
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(4chan spam filter prevents too many post quotes in one post)

i'm with gavin.
no trannies in sports. being competetive is a masculine characteristic. i could understand you wanting to be a ballerina, but throwing a tantrum over being kicked off the basketball team is ridiculous. you can dunk.

>>41407498
No wonder you leftist lost you call people who disagree with your cult racist or maga. Leftism is coming to a end see you in thousand of years.

>>41407512
tfw too old to do ballet

>>41407459
I'm just anti-Zionist :^)

>>41407512
Leftist specially lgtbq people throw tantrum at everything the live in eternal victim hood. So don't get surprise by anything they throw at you.

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See you're all throwing a bitch fit because I merely suggested that we shouldn't suck liberal establishment cock over something they're not even committed to as a matter of principal. I didn't say vote republican. I didn't say DON'T vote Democrat. I vote Democrat. The truth of the matter is that liberalism's sole purporse is so keep the wheels of capital spinning. YOU are not necessary to that plan. This system that you're defending is the very system that ALLOWS Trump to exist, and when the people this system ALLOWS to be our richest and most powerful see him using this country like his rape meat, they clap and they cheer. I dare you to defend that dumb fucks

i just think hasan is physically attractive and all the words that come out of his mouth is just verbal diahrea.

Another day, another psyop

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>>41407456
And not to keep harping on this but: even if Newsom had vetoed every single fucking one of these bills he would still be infinitely more pro-LGBT and better for trans people than Trump or Vance. This is obvious common sense and I don't even need to say it, yet somehow leftists still need to hear it.

I don't know if he'll be the candidate. Whoever the candidate is, they will certainly be so much more pro-LGBT and pro-minority and pro-immigrant than Vance (or whoever the Republicans put up next) to the point that comparisons don't even make any sense. You are all living in a fantasy land. Not every Democrat is perfect about any of these issues and obviously there are various other fundamental worldview disagreements but the funny thing is that on social issues the Democratic party is actually much more to the left than almost every left-leaning European party.

>>41407548
Whatever, I don't care. You can cry about capitalism as much as you like. I find capitalism to generally be a massive driver of positive human and social progress and the only ethical system (as anything else requires top-down coercion and far worse hierarchy than any found in a capitalistic society). Leftists think it's the opposite. Whatever. You all give the same slogans about "the system" and how liberals and capitalism are all to blame for Trump and Hitler and everyone else, even when it makes zero sense. (Trump is anti-liberal and anti-market in tons of his policies and possibly will become even more so.) There are definitely some people backing Trump just because he'll happen to be good for their industries but that is not at all why or how Trump won, overall. It could be debated endlessly, but at the end of the day I am happy to work with any socialist who will actually agree to vote for and endorse the 2028 Democratic candidate.

>>41407556
do you think he'd let me put the collar on him and take him for walkies?

>>41407151 (OP)
wow you found one person on twitter
it would take me -1 seconds to find an anti-tranny liberal, you only see this as noteworthy because most leftists ARE pro-tranny inherently

also leftists are the only political block that doesnt make shitty psyop posts on /lgbt/
join us

>>41407435
>YOU ABOLITIONISTS DIDN'T VOTE FOR HENRY CLAY IT'S YOUR FAULT THAT JAMES K POLK WON
Beyond parody. That's not how politics works. You want leftist votes? You need to appease the leftists then. Shoulda promised concrete action on the genocide, that's all it would have taken. Yes it is true Biden was the most pro-trans president ever. That sort of pales for me in comparison to using my tax dollars to fund a genocide. Obama was a deeply flawed president but he sure as shit would not have let Samantha Powers and Hilldog meme him into doing that.
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>>41407467
I'm aware Gruesome Gavin signed a raft of pro trans bills, but the one he vetoed was pretty important and his justification was pure bullshit. Trans hormone scrips are not going to meaningfully increase premiums, hormones are so dirt cheap that DIY is arguably cheaper than all but the most generous insurance plans.
>>41407470
The world is ending in roughly 20-50 years (when exactly the global famine wave and global state collapse/mega refugee crisis start is a matter of random chance) because of head in the sand libtards who don't see that capitalism is incapable of averting climate catastrophe and clear-eyed right wing psychos who do see that and would rather wall up the country and shoot everyone who tries to come here than abandon the profit motive. But that's a more long term problem.

>>41407584
Stop blaming the system is the people that are to blame no amount of system will fix human stupidity.

>>41407584
why dont we literally just murder all the would be refugees, the global population is already arguably too high
what do (you) plan to do about the inevitable global collapse anyway? no point really advocating for anything if that's happening, might as well just try and move somewhere that won't be as affected

>>41407620
>what do (you) plan to do about the inevitable global collapse anyway?
Continue organizing for the revolution, of course. Someone has to vindicate the dignity of our species, even if the only way I'm able to do it is by going to the wall to be shot.
>>41407618
Never!

>>41407649
okay but from everyone ive seen talk about climate change apparently humanity is basically gauranteed to go extinct, so why bother? might as well be one of the not extinct humans for a while

>>41407584
>The world is ending in roughly 20-50 years
Even in the worst case scenario projections for global warming, the world is not going to end in 50 years. Things will get quite bad but it won't be an extinction event. Poor people and people in poor countries will indeed suffer the most, though.

Trump completely tore up all climate agreements, says climate change is a Chinese hoax, and keeps tweeting about how we need to build more coal and oil capacity. Liberals have done and are trying to do the exact opposite. Obviously completely unrestrained capitalism leads to major externalities, but social liberalism - the Democratic party's platform for decades - is also obviously all about curbing and regulating major externalities of capitalism like anthropogenic global warming. The Democratic party platform for climate change (and the platforms of some other left-leaning liberal parties around the world) are the only feasible paths to at least mitigate it and slow it down.

Abolishing capitalism is not only infeasible but also ineffective and immoral, whether it's about climate change or anything. And that's assuming it's *not* done through violent revolution and slaughter of countless civilians and suppression of all dissent and tyrannical rule, which so far it almost always has been. It's not only an immature fantasy but a psychopathic and anti-human one. Democracy, human rights, individual freedom, and the rule of law are the only way to run a human civilization. The ability for people to form contracts with one another are a crucial aspect of individual freedom.

>>41407435
I'm a different anon so don't yell at me for goalpost moving but all of this "most pro-trans president stuff" are a list of the most basic things that any state that professes equal rights for it's citizens should already be doing. He can write a hundred memos and make a thousand statements for all I care. Where is the progress towards ratifying an equal rights amendment? Liberals will never do something like that because they don't have any principles to stand on. If most Americans already think equal rights are guaranteed we won't get any credit anyway so just write another toothless memo. If you want to vote for harm reduction cause the other is side is factually worse, that's fine I did it too. But if you're a trans person, you should not be running around kissing their boots for barely clearing the bar. It's pathetic.

>>41407649
Your revolution fetish is not happening stop living in lalaland and touch grass.

>>41407658
Because humanity won't go extinct, things will just get very hairy for an indeterminate amount of time.
>>41407670
>Things will get quite bad but it won't be an extinction event. Poor people and people in poor countries will indeed suffer the most, though.
That's what I mean. For millions (maybe even a few billion) people, the world will indeed end.
>the crazy right wing people are worse than liberals
Yes, that is correct.
>liberals are the total opposite
No, if you were you would be wheeling out climate Stalin and having the NKVD execute Chevron executives after highly publicized trials for their crimes against the human species. Please prove me wrong, I would be delighted.
>Obviously completely unrestrained capitalism leads to major externalities, but social liberalism - the Democratic party's platform for decades - is also obviously all about curbing and regulating major externalities of capitalism like anthropogenic global warming
And that platform has comprehensively and totally failed. Because that's the secret: capitalism is designed to corrode and destroy constraints. What liberals cannot see (because you don't understand what capitalism actually is) us that for a certain mass of the population, fossil fuel consumption literally is life. Because you don't see this, because you cannot see this (if you could understand value chains you wouldn't be a liberal anymore) you can't fix it.
>blah blah revolution is immoral democracy and freedom
Your 'democracy' is a dictatorship of the rich over everyone else. This dictatorship, long indirect, is now merely being directly asserted. It is an insult to the concept of democracy. An embarrassment to the human race. Your 'peace' is the consignment of millions upon millions of human lives to drudgery and misery, and in the end to social murder. Your system has barely anything left to speak for it except that it is not unrepentant and unrestrained barbarism, but when faced with that barbarism it stands impotent.

>>41407810
well i mostly agree with you anon, i just don't really want to die, you know? i don't really want to get brutally tortured for being a leftist AND a tranny
then again, i really think that they (and i mean the developing countries) will basically need to die, there's no way even with a complete change of government structure that we could support them all, and we should focus on making our countries as sustainable and humane as possible as we spread that to the rest of the world, i dont really believe in the whole global communism happening all at once thing

>>41407300
and that ad singlehandedly made kamala start positioning herself as to the right of biden on lgbt issues. this is what we mean, the moment it becomes even slightly disadvantageous to support trans people, they will stop supporting us because all they care about is power.

if they have that power they do sometimes use it well, but that's not the argument being made, cuz there's no universe where liberalism is eternally in power and their ideology simply has 0 safeguards for the overton window shifting. this isn't to say that communists have a good track record either, but as long as you believe in anything, it becomes a lot harder to capitulate than when you only believe in power.

>>41407571
only if you tase him

Yes, the liberal future. The world might be a resource-depleted greenhouse, where the unemployed masses are subjugated by an all-powerful AI panopticon on behalf of the quadrillionaire elite, but at least I'm able to wear a woman's dress!

>>41408109
I prefer it over the left communist dystopian nightmare.

>>41407875
Because any normal person know being trans is a delusion nobody is born in the wrong body.

>>41407174
I would be fine with liberals if they didn't insist on being as imperialistic as their conservative counterparts

>>41407397
>marxist arguing that liberalism has failed
dont throw stones in glass houses lmfao

>>41407875
it was never politically advantageous to support trans people? if what you are saying is tru the dems would have never supported trans ppl
>>41407721
lol we should never reward people for helping us we should attack them. genius

>>41407174
But I don’t give a shit about dykes and fags, just don’t fuck

>>41407174
>Fidel put people like me in camps!
And how is Cuba treating us now?

>>41408255
no but they could get away with it for a couple years and it made the wine moms feel good. they'll always fold to court conservative moderates before trying to capture anyone disaffected from the left.
>>41408185
bro did you spawn in from like 2015

>>41408561
>bro did you spawn in from like 2015
It's a shame media and culture has turned to shit from then. It's like we're living in some fever dream.

>>41408651
that's not what I'm talking about retard. "born in the wrong body" is some ancient era libshit that no one ever genuine believed and just told you cuz they thought you were too stupid to understand any more nuanced explanation (which you obviously are)

"leftism" is performatively abused by people who want clout all the time, whether they're milktoast status quo defenders or violent authoritarians looking to assert their own faith-based ideology over the currently dominant form, but left-wing pro-social and egalitarian values in the context of adherence to evidence and reason are the only way forward out of the dark ages

Lotsa Marxists and libs taking Ls in this thread kuz both your ideologies have been disproven and are on life support

Leftist will never going to accept socialism as a fail ideology even if having try billions of times.

>>41410256
And people kall ME ESL

>>41407579
they are a 'radfem' aswell

>>41407151 (OP)
>>41407163
You genuinely have to be low IQ to be a radical. Communism and fascism are very transparently ideologies that are meant to suck up all the political power and autonomy in the population to a small group of elites, the difference is whether they wear the nationalist or socialists parts more loudly. They will inevitably to "cleanse" dissent and assimilate outliers.
>>41407193
>"they'll throw you under the bus!"
says the subhuman whose entire ideology is to use people to establish an oligarchy/autocracy and kill them as soon as they're inconvenient or commit thought crimes.
>>41407397
>The level of libtard cope in 2025 is insane. Your ideology has not only failed, it has completely collapsed
I love that you can type this and not realize you just sound like a rightoid. You people are so broken and you sound just like the wignat freaks. it's scary watching people my age become the nest gen of ignorant sad boomers. The ignorance must be bliss tho

>>41410416
You mention thought crimes as if liberalism hasn't put us on a direct path to fully realizing that under Trump. Not saying that Trump is a liberal by any means, I'm saying that our liberal establishment would much prefer a Trump than a Sanders or Mamdani, so it allows a Trump to exist and come to power. You do know he isn't ONLY going to punish actual communists right? Everyone to his left might as well be a communist, but sure fear mongering and crying about communism is gonna save the country

>>41411016
Because communism is a facist ideology as well.

>>41411355
If this were true it would only prove my point that liberals are not really ideologically opposed to fascism, considering that when faced with (what they would call) left "fascism", they side with right fascism. Because liberalism, like right fascism, is aligned with capital above all else.

we must realize enlightenment principles in our society

>>41410416
>suck up all the political power and autonomy in the population to a small group of elites
>he thinks this isnt happening already
oh dear

>>41407151 (OP)
>>41407163

this is super endogamic. i swear people on twitter are insane. who fucking cares? i am absolute sure that people who talks about the bourgeoisie, or trans right, or palestine on twitter have never worked a single day on their life

leftists are like walking psyops yet somehow actually sincere

libs are mostly normal people who just want good things for others while leftists are insane pseudointellectuals with personality disorders

>>41408206
Almost everyone on this board materially benefits from Western imperialism and most of its victims think I'm a subhuman freak so why should I care? Why are leftists all about objective material conditions and self-interest until it comes time to tell people to immolate themselves for the sake of the revolution and then you become priests talking about morality? I don't care about what's good for some random homophobe in Iraq, I care about what's good for me and the people in my irl.

>>41412171
It's for your own good in the long run to be morally principalled. Rich queers sometimes put aside their principals when it benefits them materially (see Bari Weiss) and support Republicans to get lower taxes, but when their sights are inevitably set on more and more lgbt issues, you'll start to feel it.

>>41412171
I care about everyone everywhere in the world. I just don't buy any of these framings when most of them are fine with a massive imperialist country invading Ukraine in a war of conquest, for example. These are not serious people who just want what's best for humanity. It's a bit closer to a religion where the United States (under every single president) is Satan and everything else is downstream of that. Their warped ideology lets them defend brutal tyrants and civilian massacres as great and Biden protecting trans people as Western hegemonic patriarchy.

>>41407151 (OP)
Politics is a mental disease. Embrace doing anything else with your time.

>>41412546
This is a direct result of Western imperialism though. It's not like they don't have a reason to only associate the U.S. (and their allies) with death and destruction for the most part. Thus the distrust by the less educated masses of anything the U.S. media/culture/administration/people preaches

>>41412595
Embrace fucking femboys and transgenders for instance, that's what I do.

>>41412171
>Almost everyone on this board materially benefits from Western imperialism
I don't see how killing foreign children benefits me, or anyone else on this board, in the slightest. It would be much better if the money we spent on pointless wars went towards providing free healthcare or free housing for the destitute,

>>41412391
I'm not talking only about rich queers but all Western queers and all Westerners period. If you are even working class in the West then you benefit from the most comfortable consumer economy in human history, besides the same economy in the 50s-60s at least. That comfort is propped up by imperialism all over the third world, by using migrant and illegal labor serving as a super-exploitable class, by outsourcing what can be outsourced to brutal sweatshops. If you got rid of those things you'd have much less free credit, much higher food prices and much higher prices for consumer electronics and that's just three well known and clear examples. So how is revolution materially in your self-interest? Standing around checking people out at Walmart 8 hours a day is so horrible that only acceptable alternative is revolutions, civil wars, dictatorships, all so that you can LOWER your standards of living by equalizing them globally? All that would be more comfortable? You don't even have to work at fucking Walmart, there is one of the most generous welfare states in human history a click or phone call away, also propped up by exploitation.

That's the reason developed capitalist societies never had the revolutions Marx predicted they would have, only backwards agricultural shitholes like Tsarist Russia and warlord China. You are too comfortable for it to be in your class interest to rebel, it's easier for you to become porky than to improve your life through revolution. So when you go around lecturing Western queers, who also happen to be enjoying by far the most free and equal society of any LGBT people in human history, about how they have to sacrifice everything that makes their life comfortable on behalf of a bunch of turd worlders who'd happily kill them or force them back into the closet you are not being scientific, you're not waking them up to their class interests, you're not revealing the economic laws of history. You're being a moralist, a priest.

>>41412663
short answer is that if you live in the imperial core you necessarily benefit as a byproduct of imperialism and unequal exchange. through literally no action of your own you have it better than a child in the global south because of your lucky proximity to capital and ceremony. could the fruits of the global south be more equally exchanged among the populous, say for free healthcare? yes. is this conversation counterproductive to what we really should be advocating, being the end of this imperialist era? yes.

it is also important to not that any affordances social democracies offer to their populous will be rolled back when the rate of profit declines enough

>>41412663
Without US imperialism in the mideast you don't have control over the global hub of oil. That means the petrodollar goes away, which in turn means the USD as the world reserve currency goes away and US debt actually starts mattering. Which would be very unpleasant for all Western people and lead to a sudden and severe drop in your living standards. Leftists openly celebrate all this when they're not in mixed company, it is a cult of moralistic self-sacrifice for oikophobic leftists and an outlet for turd world revenge fantasies.
>>41412663
>free healthcare
Which China also doesn't have. And which surely is a service that improves during times of revolution right, healthcare?
>>41412546
I'm fine with people who despise me being brutalized for my comfort and you leftoids who want to call that sick or whatever are being Christians without even realizing it.

>>41412746
>oikophobic leftists
oikophobic Westerns I mean

>>41412746
I wasn't aware Gaza was the global hub of oil.

>>41412661
Bro that is a way better use of your time than arguing about "liberalism" or "leftism"

>>41407151 (OP)
He's right though (modulo the misuse of words), being trans is inherently bourgeois. Marx and Lenin are on record documented as believing that all forms of homogaymual behavior would vanish in the socialist state due to being forms of bourgeois decadence.

>>41412746
oomfie forgot china has functionally free healthcare for citizens </3 tragic

>>41412757
Israel keeps the region divided, beaten down and subject to US influence. It's done that pretty successfully for a long time. I'm less and less convinced it's still serving that role and would be perfectly fine with ditching it in favor of another proxy atp but either way I'm not going to cry about muh holy Gazan lambs who would throw me off a roof if they could. We are under no obligation respect someone's humanity if they don't respect ours and these people don't.

>>41412757
i mean there is some truth to what he is saying. the current american governmental doctrine that letting the current (fragile) israeli regime do whatever it wants to gaza and the west bank is a small cost in keeping the american foothold in the region and against iran (+ some tactful aipac money). all of which keeps the price of oil where it's at.

>>41412785
Oh I know, I'm just getting you to rattle on and on like a supervillain about how everyone else can burn for your material profit. Like let's not pretend it's even a "it's for the sake of us LGBT" universally as if destabilizing the Middle East doesn't encourage Wahhabist insanity that makes the lives of LGBT individuals in the Middle East hellish.

>>41412816
this post is dedicated to the brave mujaheddin fighters of afganistan

>>41412832
Afghanistan is technically in Central or South Asia depending on how those regions are defined, not the Middle East. It also has nothing to do with Israel or Gaza so I'm not sure why you brought it up.

>>41412746
We shouldn't be dependent on oil either, Its a finite resource that is destroying the goddamn planet.

>>41412816
What I am trying to point out is the complete hypocrisy of Western Marxists in the sense that they pretend to be scientific and objective and all about rational class interest. But then in the last analysis what they are telling you to do is worsen your life for moral reasons, literally no different from some preacher.
>"it's for the sake of us LGBT" universally
I never did. I said I cared about what's good for me and the people in my irl, just like every sane person would say if they're being honest. If life could be this good for us AND them then great. But right now life's so good for us because it's so bad for them and I'm not gonna cry about that when those are cultures that hate us.
>>41412858
You're correct but it's not as if socialism would magically give us more energy options than we have right now.

>>41412853
just a classic case of american influence backing people who hate fags. i would additionally posit that american meddling in afganistan did influence formation and growth of groups like hezbollah

>>41412890
Of course it did, it's well-established that destabilization leads to the creation of extremist groups.

>>41412876
>it's not as if socialism would magically give us more energy options than we have right now
>china exists

>>41412890
American influence is the only reason anywhere on the planet is pro-fag to a greater extent then 'sure yeah, let them do whatever if they aren't too loud about it'. Which is why turd worldists have to cope about how it's cultural imperialism to treat things like gay marriage and coming out of the closet as universals.

>>41412876
>it's not as if socialism would magically give us more energy options than we have right now.
Point taken, but that doesn't mean that our government can't work towards alternative energy sources instead of oil

>>41412876
Most western Marxists are some kind of Trotskyite or maybe Leninists, they're in support of a GLOBAL revolution. They by nature identify with the entire planet since they have the eventual goal of dissolving national borders. The people who are Marxists and all about personal national interest to the exclusion are foreigners are like, Stalinists and some Maoists. Those people aren't the ones you're arguing with on twitter either, because they think fucking up your rivals to ensure the prosperity of your workers is based. All that to say this argument of yours isn't going to work on global revolutionaries.

>>41412902
China uses more coal than oil lol. What do you think, it's all solar? That they secretly have fission?

>>41412941
I completely agree. That's not something you need to toss out liberalism to do though.

>>41412952
>That they secretly have fission?
Fission reactors in nuclear power plants aren't a secret, sis.

>>41412979
Literally not a reply to what I said.

>>41412984
I meant fusion

>>41412979
great chart, now lets see the per capita

>>41413121
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/coal-consumption-per-capita
Still higher

>>41407163
They're just playing out the long game of progressive beliefs.
You can't believe the world is made up of a ranked hierarchy of identity groups by oppression, with the bottom always deserving castigation and the top always deserving reparation, and not have it become an endless purity spiral.

So who's the most retarded? Leftists for acting out their beliefs in the fullest? Or libs for dallying with oppression hierarchies without understanding their full consequence?

>>41412649
It isn't. Your head is just filled with nothing but leftist propaganda. US foreign policy isn't always great but blaming every local and global problem on that is delusional. You're like an LLM only fed a corpus of communist essays.

>>41412902
When liberals try their best to do the same shit, Twitter leftists come out and call them misogynistic neoliberal Abundancebros

everyone in this thread is so silly
It has become extremely apparent that in order to secure the existence of our people and a future for trans children there is only one legitimate ideological path forward
Transgender National Socialism

>>41413121
>>41413164
Also if you mouse over the red countries you can see that China is the only significant consumer of coal whose coal use is still trending upwards besides Kazakhstan, India, SEA and some of the Arab countries.

>>41412595
It is a illness politics ruin everything. Fuck leftist and rightwinger they can kiss my ass.

>>41412683
lol this guy doesn't understand communism and believes in the genetic superiority of the feeble and increasingly stupid Elon Musk race.

this thread is raiders from https://libpol.org

liberalism's failures cause fascism and liberals are unable to fight fascism
y'all will be calling commies losers as they lead us all into the death camps

>>41415035
leftists repeat that every fucking hour when for the past 6 years you've seen leftists nonstop side with fascists because they hate liberals that badly, while liberals would vote for a democratic leftist presidential candidate in a general election without hesitation

>>41415035
>y'all will be calling commies losers as they lead us all into the death camps
If that happens then I guess communism wasn't very good at fighting fascism either was it?

>>41415132
totally unhistorical pic like hilariously unfounded of a rebuttal to the actual truth which is liberals side with fascists

>>41415630
the communists lost germany to nazism because they refused to ally with liberals and declared war on them instead. same shit is happening now in america

>>41415676
>american
>wants to talk about history

>>41415676
>the communists lost germany to nazism because they refused to ally with liberals
It was worse than that even, there was a joint NSDAP-KDP strike lol.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1932_Berlin_transport_strike

>>41415937
I always thought the SDP was responsible? De-brainwash me.

>>41408218
literal reddit argument lol nta but shut the fuck up you dont even know what marxism means trippy, go get ragebaited by xitter

>open thread
>socialism is mentioned
>literally everyone is arguing over it with sweat dripping down their balls but noone even knows what it is
average american discussion tbfh

>>41415132
>picrel
me when i make shit up. me when i straight up fucking lie. me when i never ever ever tell the truth ever
oh and nice reddit meme btw you fucking faggot go eat a burger

>>41413376
transgender national bolshevik ethnostate NOW

>>41407151 (OP)
American "liberals" are far leftist bolsheviks and hate freedom, borders, whites, meritocracy, men just as much as any other communist. How you've managed to delude yourselves into thinking that you're not far-left authoritarians is beyond me. As a group, you have nothing in common with actual, classical liberals.

>>41407151 (OP)
>celebrate terrorism; wants to murder every single republican
>and elect represetatives that talk about shooting "little fascist kids"
>open borders and white genocide now
>authoritarian as hell; loved biden's massive, federal censorship network and political persecution
>clearly thinks that there's no limit to how big the state should be and how much power it should have over citizens' lives
How you "liberals" not just larping leftists?

>>41407174
You're communists, though, and have ruined most western lands with your loathing for whites and love for authoriatarianism and open borders.

>>41412171
>Western imperialism
My country isn't attacking anyone. We're wealthy because we had early industrialization without the same degree of kleptocracy as post communist states and European forms of government are relatively stable. Look at Ireland and Poland. No colonies ever. About the same wealth as countries that did

Meanwhile chinks and Russians have empires and they're broke shitholes

>>41407151 (OP)
>>41407163
This person is based actually
I don’t see the problem

>>41416719
>I always thought the SDP was responsible? De-brainwash me.
because you've been brainwashed by anti-liberal propaganda from leftists

leftists hate liberals even more than they hate fascists. they genuinely have much more ideologically in common with fascists. liberals try to preserve democracy and civil liberties while leftists and fascists team up in their shared hatred for both

>>41417325
>leftists hate liberals even more than they hate fascists.
I believe it, like 60% of the time leftist groups I've been in are shitting on left-liberal/socdems and the other 30% is other leftist groups. Very rarely talking about rightoids.

>>41417325
honestly as a leftist this is essentially true. i get along with fascists way more because at least they understand this system is fundamentally broken. liberals unironically think everything is ok and the problem is that some people are evil or greedy or whatever (LOL)

i talk to a fascist and they can acknowledge that climate change is real and capitalism is essentially tied to it, therefore we can both see just from that that capitalism is a threat to the human race. the left-liberalism lazily gestures to "reform" even though we've been trying reform for decades. the right-liberal (aka conservative) might outright deny climate change altogether. both of these are plainly psychotic reactions

a really infuriating thing about how liberals behave is that since their opinions are just "given" they can repeat nato/cia lines while claiming any dissenter is somehow "brainwashed" or groomed by an echo-chamber. at least when i talk to a nazi they understand that everyone has a limited horizon of existence upon which their perceptions are conditioned and it is not as simple as just "taking an objective view" whatever the fuck that is supposed to mean

btw ftr trump is a liberal. you guys looove calling everything fascist even though america was a liberal country when it had slavery and the nazis took the idea of eugenics from early 20th century america. you need to call everyone you dont like fascist or racist to hide from the fact that liberal countries have staged coups all over the world, destabilizing several countries just to maintain hegemony (but ofc the clueless liberal sees this and thinks that the us or france unironically do this stuff for "peace" or "democracy" kek)

at least fascists understand that the entire govt is bought at this point and democracy isnt even real. liberals like peter thiel will make sure we are living in a cyberpunk techno-feudalist dystopia in 30 years so the civil liberties you speak of are all just ephemeral abstractions

Every single one of you is a leftist. There's no actual liberalism in any of you democrats.

>>41417325
Why do you call leftists who hate freedom "liberal"? That's the opposite of liberalism.

>>41417530
redditors think that communism is liberal now. yeah, i know; it doesn't make any sense.

>>41417563
he's a retard chud who's trolled every thread like this for years now

>>41417508
>>41417382
thank you for proving my point

as a liberal I will still always hate fascists more than leftists for many reasons but holy fuck, my contempt for and annoyance at leftists grows every day. being so smug and so confidently wrong is insufferable

liberalism good, democracy good, individual freedom good

>>41417653
the notion of horseshoe theory triggers leftists so badly because deep down they realize it's true

>>41417653
>speak obvious truth
>communist say that you're trolling

>as a liberal
What is liberalism to you? What makes think that seeking to create a totalitarian state, as you dems do, is liberal?

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2024/06/22/andrew_cuomo_if_his_name_was_not_donald_trump_the_new_york_case_would_have_never_been_brought.html
https://www.manhattancontrarian.com/blog/2024-7-5-who-is-the-greater-threat-to-democracy
ttps://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2024/03/25/turley_trump_case_shows_new_york_is_now_an_inescapable_political_vortex_that_used_to_be_a_legal_system.html
https://nypost.com/2024/04/07/opinion/judge-calls-out-blatant-double-standard-when-it-comes-to-bidens-justice-department-and-hunter/
https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/04/24/trump-is-on-trial-for-the-crime-of-being-trump/
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/democrats-called-ice-abolished-trump-silent-border-crisis-rages
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2024/02/16/turley_on_trump_civil_trial_at_some_point_new_yorkers_have_to_wonder_is_this_what_we_want_from_a_legal_system.html
https://thefederalist.com/2024/05/15/anti-trump-doj-officials-prepare-attacks-on-his-appointees-during-election-year/
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2024/03/23/mollie_hemingway_trump_ny_judgment_reminds_me_of_the_soviet_saying_show_me_the_man_and_i_will_find_you_the_crime.html
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2023/08/24/democrats_have_broken_america_wheres_the_outrage_149666.html
https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2023/12/05/heres_the_jan_6_jurisprudence_about_to_be_unleashed_on_trump_996431.html
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2024/05/10/the_making_of_a_banana_republic_150923.html
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2024/04/16/ny_gives_trump_the_anne_boleyn_treatment_150804.html
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2024/08/19/they_truly_see_their_corruption_as_heroism_151472.html

Where's the liberalism at?

>>41417781
>RealClearPolitics (RCP) is an American conservative political news website and polling data aggregator. It was founded in 2000 by former options trader John McIntyre and former advertising agency account executive Tom Bevan.
>nypost.com
>thefederalist.com
>foxnews.com

okay pal

also I am not a fan of cuomo. very few liberals are at this point

>>41407174
Democracy allows anyone with the majority vote to completely strip away everything and retail everything how they see fit, it’s horrific

>>41417823
okay bud, please replace democracy with your superior system of choice. let me know when the revolution completes and get back to me a few decades afterwards to compare outcomes with liberal democracies

>>41417508
>you guys looove calling everything fascist

>btw ftr trump is a liberal
>liberals like peter thiel

peter thiel is explicitly and vocally anti-democracy. trump is explicitly and vocally illiberal. you call everything you dislike liberal and say I call everything fascist

you can fit anything into a mold of "liberal" with ass-backwards communist rationalization but obviously liberal here refers to liberal democracy with individual freedom, civil liberties, voting rights for all, equal protection under the law, separation of governmental powers, and a focus on human rights

there's no point responding to the rest. yes america >50 - 100 years ago has done some bad things and still does some bad things. socialists have also done a lot of not so great things!

>>41417508
>they can repeat nato/cia lines
it's hilarious how leftists can just hurl "NATO" and "CIA" to defuse any argument. yes, NATO and the CIA and sanctions are why every single socialist project failed. there's always the evil subversive enemy responsible for all ills and if only you could restore to a pure state free of enemies everything would be amazing

>at least when i talk to a nazi they understand that everyone has a limited horizon of existence upon which their perceptions are conditioned and it is not as simple as just "taking an objective view" whatever the fuck that is supposed to mean
this contrarian attitude is even more insufferable and midwit than the average uneducated mainstream CNN-watching boomer lib or whatever. you are the NPC and you truly don't know it, as are your neo-nazi peers

>>41417807
I'm not your pal. rcp isn't conservative either.
>since our media didn't report on our corruption, we really did nothing wrong
>this is proof that we dindu nuthin' actually
This is stupid and pathetic, and you should feel bad. No sentient human can have missed how absurdly biased your part of the media is. Not even you could have missed it. You must know that no leftist "jounalist" would ever report on democrat malfeasance and persecution of rightwingers. Their silence isn't proof of anything besides them being propagandists.

>>41417823
Democracy until it triggerd my pathetic brain you must be a looser. You prove my point leftism is a movement of losers.

>>41407193
>liberalism won't defend you

the only ideology in history that has given trans women a real place in society (and no castrated Roman femboys and desi Hjiras don't count) won't defend you? And what will exactly?

I'm imagining you're envisioning some kind of democratic communist state, if so, then what will stop grifters weaponising reactionary rage bait to engineer a shift to the right? A vanguard party that's inherently antidemocratic?

The only thing that will ensure trans rights is maximising economic growth, so that every tranny can get access to necessary treatments and so that the general public are both educated, and pacified by amenities enough that radicalising them becomes impossible. Ironically, liberals are actually against wealth inequality because it cripples free markets and leads to compounding centralisation of wealth, unlike statist systems where this is literally the point.

>>41417508
>pic related
if I wasn't a self made millionaire who came from a destitute family I could perhaps see myself being tempted to adopt that mindset, because I am not however, I find it to be laughable.

But hey, liberalism has equal opportunity at it's core tenants. Why not invest in your own talent pool by ensuring that every genius can get the opportunities they deserve? So despite what you'd probably think, I actually support a set of socialist reforms like an inheritance tax, foreign aid, and national healthcare.

>>41418195
>yes america >50 - 100 years ago has done some bad things
America spent the last 2 years arming and funding a genocide and running diplomatic cover for it at the UN, am I taking crazy pills? Before that we did the same thing for another client state in the region, waged a wildly illegal international campaign of assassinations to 'fight terror,' blatantly violated international law to invade a country we disliked on a comically flimsy pretext (fun fact, the Nazis swung at Nuremberg primarily for doing just that) and ripped up the constitution to 'protect' ourselves from terrorism. What do you mean America *has done* some bad things? This country hasn't had anything approaching a moral foreign policy since 1945. Crazy that you're malding ITT about how leftists are all midwits then you say something like this. At least I (not the person who you're replying to, to be clear) can actually admit that my ideology screwed the pooch last century and has required extensive correction and analysis of historical mistakes to begin to regain relevancy in the 21st. You're like the Gennady Zyuganov of liberalism. Your shit stinks to high heaven and everyone can see it no matter how much you want to cope about it. By all means go back to the drawing board and come back with something functional, but sitting here in 2025 acting like a 2016 Hillarybot is crazy.

>>41418640
Being trans is not a human rights you people are sick and mentaly ill.

>>41418780
> Anything that trigger my snowflake sensitive mind is nazi.

Everything i hear from you pathetic leftist is buzzwords this buzzwords that no wonder you lost the election.

>>41417508
>i talk to a fascist and they can acknowledge that climate change is real and capitalism is essentially tied to it, therefore we can both see just from that that capitalism is a threat to the human race. the left-liberalism lazily gestures to "reform" even though we've been trying reform for decades. the right-liberal (aka conservative) might outright deny climate change altogether. both of these are plainly psychotic reactions
Let's say climate change is an existential threat to humanity. Why should the demand to exist of hypothetical future people be prioritized over the demand for cheap energy of existing people?

Hypothetically, if the only way to stop climate change was for humanity to revert to a preindustrial state, would you still advocate to do so?

>>41418780
Israel has the right to exist

>>41418852
They can exist inside an oven.

>>41418837
I didn't say that, I said that the Nazis were hanged primarily for "breach of the peace." Obviously the Iraq war, bad as it was, was not as bad as WW2. But the whole point of the LIBERAL "rules based international order" was that everyone was supposed to stop doing that shit you dumb libtard.
>>41418852
No country has a right to engage in genocide.

>>41419026
Imagen thinking just because country agree to some internacional law there going to fallow it laughtable. Who say a country has no right to genocide nobody rights exist because of convinience. This is reality not a leftist fairy tales.

>>41419026
Who give a fuck if they commiting war crime is not our fucking problem.

>>41407151 (OP)
desu using xitter discourse as a basis for your opinion of a political movement is pretty stupid, no matter who it is or where you sit on the political spectrum

xitter only exists to shovel endless ragebait into the mouths of stupid people
don't be that stupid person

I'm becoming pretty jaded I realize
this board has just become
>random social media nobody/bot says a stupid thing
>200 reply thread of people who can't recognize bait or the pointlessness of arguing with people on 4chan
truly sad

>>41419657
Who care about the political spectrum that shit is why everything is going down the drain. There more to this world then you left vs right bullshit.

>>41419542
>is not our fucking problem
I disagree, my tax dollars funding war crimes instead of useful public services is absolutely my problem lmfao

>>41419657
xitter screenshots are just conversation starter

if you read the replies above yours you will see the intellectual debate level here is leagues above xitter

dont judge a thread by its OP next time, dweeb

>>41420593
Nothing you can do about it this is reality not a leftist fairy tales.

>>41420704
You could vote for anti-Israel politicians.

>>41418780
I assume you're aware a small minority of people in the west share your leftist worldview. obsessing over the US and painting it as some uniquely evil force in world history is exhausting. most of the things you list are either highly distorted or basically fine

iraq war was obviously unjustified but the cool thing is before, during, and after the war increasing numbers of people in the country waging the war were increasingly vocal about it being unjustified. try doing that in any country that isn't a liberal democracy. you'll get tortured and shot. the only reason you and your kind are so free to be so annoying is because you reside in a liberal democracy

>>41418780
>This country hasn't had anything approaching a moral foreign policy since 1945
>muh morality
Whatever, fag.

Leftists currently telling me to vote for a racist redditor blackwater mercenary with a Nazi tattoo on his chest to own the libs is really starting to turn me off

>>41420841
Imagen thinking that voting will change anything that Just delusional talk. If you want to change it yourself politicians doesn't care about anything. Government is not going to do shit.

>>41422190
I don't know man, Trump has been doing a lot. There's a lot of guardrails to prevent too much change too quickly but it looks to me like voting works.

>>41422256
Voting work only brainwash people think that.

>>41422315
Well right now the American people are getting what they voted for.

>>41422358
Because the majority of american is stupid and democracy is decided by the majority and that tiranny.

>totalitarians that call themselves liberal
>as enthusiastic about white genocide as any other commie
You "liberals" are enemies of western civilization. Look at what you've done to New York. You're voting for another tribe to come in and make you second class citizens, you damn cuckholds.

>>41422409
if this is what your ideology creates, it's worthless and should be discarded. simple as.

>>41422397
Tough shit.

>>41421947
He's just a smol bean, he didn't know he had the Nazi symbol on his chest for 20 years. No one told him. The other lady is old so that's worse. I am very smart and very progressive btw

>>41422475
This the problem with democracy idiots are allow to vote and have powers.

>>41420894
>you pointed out that my entire worldview is hypocritical imperialist nonsense? well uh, YOU'RE ANNOYING
>have you ever thought about how even though the political elite of this country routinely do bad things, you're allowed to complain about it?????
7/10 bait, maybe next time you could also include the line where you say that Russia and China are also bad so that means it's somehow fine that the US is bad too. Liberals are such sick freaks, I have no respect for you guys in this century. At least 20th century libs had the balls to own their shit instead of whining about their critics being 'annoying.'

>>41422824
If the people vote to genocide Palestine then we should genocide Palestine. There is literally no problem with this.

>>41422925
Even if is a crime against humanity.

>>41423129
That's as vapid as saying not doing so would be a crime against democracy.

>>41423174
If that democracy maybe we should abolish democracy fuck the will of the people.

>>41423237
How about fuck the people?

>>41423263
Better fuck humanity

>>41423280
Based, especially Palestine.

>>41421947
Seeing them precope about Gavin Newsome and then pretending like that Maine guy did nothing wrong is insane to see

>>41425309
Leftist delude themselves in illusions.

>>41412746
>>41418780
There are homeless people dying outside of leftist cities, and all you baizuo leftists care about is Gaza. Now, Republicans have power and are implementing austerity. You are some the most ineffective, useless people on the planet.

>>41425386
>implementing austerity
The new gold plating in the white house says otherwise lol

>>41425456
Yep, Trump is enriching himself while the economy is crashing down and China is chilling and Russia is chipping away at Ukraine

>>41425569
you're literally inviting hostile tribes and voting for them to oppress your countrymen, "liberal."

>>41426287
Stop watching Fox News and get a job,

>>41416857
Nobody knows what socialism is except eastern europeans. Everyone else changes their definition every fucking sentence.

>>41415437
This, how can you possibly lose harder than getting rounded up and herded into death camps? If this happens I am ABSOLUTELY calling commies losers

>>41416869
>>41415630

Bro right now the leftists are rallying for a dude with a deathcamp nazi tattoo right on his chest because he's not a liberal. Truth is stranger than fiction

>>41427374
why would that be inconsistent when they've supported AZOV for years

I'm a prudish socially conservative socialist
If I were to ever become a liberal it'd be because of the well-being argument rather than any rights argument
I see being trans as a medical condition, it's not a lifestyle choice, and so I don't see transitioning as something that has been inherently linked to 'freedom'

i see the libshits are having a temper tantrum over real leftists here

>>41407193
You are actively protected from being openly mocked when you apply for jobs or go to college because of liberal social engineering (the civil rights act, they JUST ruled that expecting sex-conforming dress is discrimination because you're firing a man for something you would not fire a woman for (Bostock Ruling))
Nothing like it exists anywhere else on earth. In any other country you can laugh at trannies and tell them to get the fuck out of your company and out of society.
If you applied to work for Trump or Musk or Thiel and they binned your application for being a crazy tranny you could sue and clean them out
I'm successfully baited I replied great job nigga

>>41422446
>Indians are racist
water is wet, these people are incredibly racist. Is this baby's first time seeing them in action? their entire society is built upon classism, even the secular ones like mandani are constantly judging you and sorting you into a hierarchy in the basis of retarded shit like the broadness of your accent, your job, your education, where you live

>>41427727
kek, dumb fucking tranny. you realized you were being baited and still couldn't resist. what a fucking faggot.

>>41407174
>>41427633

>Am liberal mostly
>Really liked Biden and his term
>I'm hated by both socialists/commies as well as other liberals
Dunno how to feel about it desu

>>41417508
i kinda agree a little, ignorance is born of faith without recourse, neoliberals believe their view to be the one true faith with no meaning or sense to it and that you should acknowledge it as legitimate merely because its own existence affirms itself somehow, and it prevents any actual association with them at all. plus, it extends beyond that politics 99% of americans genuinely think america was just minding its own business when mean old tojo wanted to break their favourite battleships in ww2 for no reason and that america possessing nukes first was somehow the best-case scenario in history, america is the golden holy way and so is neoliberalism. that's probably why the red scare was so effective anyways, america being the hegemon and liberal mediocrity has always been the standard to people and nothing else has ever been considered, so it feels like the sky is going to fall and end their golden age when people ask for change. i still never associate with fascists or rightoids *ever* but it shows how pathetically worthless neoliberalism is that a literal nazi will sooner ponder other beliefs than them

most people in this thread are just uneducated morons though it hardly matters, people think you can hurl insults at so-called socialists like you can america, as though the supposed actions of some people claimed to be socialist or any of the thousand variations of that across history bears the same weight as a country's government doing something because they dont know anything but virtue signalling. i'm so tired. people in this thread are genuinely so dumb it makes me unironically sad atp.

>>41419521
most literate liberal

>>41418844
>Let's say climate change is an existential threat to humanity. Why should the demand to exist of hypothetical future people be prioritized over the demand for cheap energy of existing people?
Civilization would not exist if humans prioritized only their immediate survival. There's no reason to make society better when you're just going to die anyways. You need to think outside of your own selfish desires to have the motivation to create anything meaningful in life.
>Hypothetically, if the only way to stop climate change was for humanity to revert to a preindustrial state, would you still advocate to do so?
It's not even necessary to even stop climate change by doing this. Greenhouse Gas Emissions have been decoupled from economic growth for quite some time now because of efficiency gains and the growth of renewable energy.

>>41417508
Imagine being a leftist, and giving shit about what the CIA did 50 years ago instead of dealing with the fact your cities are filled with homeless bums, crime and drugs

>>41428774
That's a bunch of mumbo jumbo. What does it mean for society to be better? What does it mean to create something meaningful?
>It's not even necessary to even stop climate change by doing this
I'm posing a hypothetical. If it was necessary, would you still advocate for it?

>>41428787
>What does it mean for society to be better?
Do you think society was better, during the Holodomor or the Great Depression?
>What does it mean to create something meaningful
You don't have any hobbies or people you love?
These questions are pretty stupid.

>What does it mean for society to be better? What does it mean to create something meaningful?
When people say leftism is a mental illness, this is what they mean.

>>41428819
>Do you think society was better, during the Holodomor or the Great Depression?
The Great Depression.
>You don't have any hobbies or people you love?
Yes.
>These questions are pretty stupid.
They're not stupid questions, they're important to establishing the ends you're trying to achieve with policy. See, I would define a better society as one that efficiently allocates resources to satisfy human demands. The conclusion I would draw from that is that if the people's demand for cheap energy outweighed their demand to stop climate change, then we should keep burning fossil fuels.

>>41428839
I'm a liberal.

>>41428854
Just say communist. be honest for once.

>>41427795
>"liberal"
>liked the most authoritarian, corrupt president in US history
>who imported 30+ mill illegal invaders and persecuted rightwingers with no restraint
What a shocker.

>>41426652
Stay away from politics. You clearly don't have the necessary brainpower for the democratic process.

>>41429068
What the hell are you on about? I'm closer to ancap than communism.

>>41407163
The most annoying feature of leftists is that they think identifying something as "bourgeoisie" is a justification for the utterly retarded subhumanoid moral policing.
Even if it was true that cosmetic surgeries were bourgeois, that doesn't mean getting them is impermissible immoral retard

>>41407548
>The truth of the matter is that liberalism's sole purporse is so keep the wheels of capital spinning.
Yes? This is based. Capitalism is the only system that works and will ever work. I would rather suffer capitalist "exploitation" than "enjoy" communist "liberty".

>>41407584
>because of head in the sand libtards who don't see that capitalism is incapable of averting climate catastrophe
Liberalism has already averted the worst case of climate catastrophre, retard. Meanwhile, commies accomplished NOTHING while the hand if the market made renewables the best deal.
Liberal democracies will start doing geoengineering to avert even the mildest problems of global warming before commies ever do anything for real. Keep seething retard

>>41407810
>Your 'peace' is the consignment of millions upon millions of human lives to drudgery and misery
This, but about every commie regime ever LOL

>>41429094
Calling yourself "liberals" means you supports, which means that you're a far-left authoritarian. dem policy involves creating a totalitarian state that tramples on whites asap. this is what you want : >>41417781. And you are, by your own admission, one of them.

>>41411451
Fascism is preferable to communism because at least the economy could conceivably work under fascism LOL. The choice is:
>be oppressed by the People's vanguard of true Democracy revolutionaries and be poorer than some ghetto dwellers
>be oppressed by the National nationalist fuhrer party and have a chance to not be poorer than the average slum inhabitant
whoa, what a though choice, really makes me think

>>41429094
Calling yourself "liberal" means you supports dems, which means that you're a far-left authoritarian. dem policy involves creating a totalitarian state that tramples on whites asap. this is what they do : >>41417781. And you are, by your own admission, one of them.

>>41412726
>rolled back when the rate of profit declines enough
the "declining rate of profit" isn't a real thing retard. The Marxist worldview is wrong about everything, be it "dialectics" to the critique of political economy. Grow up and drop the retarded religion dumbass

>>41429205
I'm liberal as in I believe in liberalism. Capitalism, property rights, democracy, all that jazz.

>>41416857
socialism is the inevitable result of a vanguard party of retards seizing power then trying to abolish "da anarchy of the merket" with a planned economy, as seen in eastern europe, the soviet union, china and north korea.
All other definitions are wishful thinking peddled exclusively by retards that can't see the above is the inevitable result of their politics, regardless of how much they insist socialism is actually about the worker's controlling the means of production for their own benefit

>>41429289
>I'm liberal as in I believe in liberalism. Capitalism, property rights, democracy
based

>>41429289
>i support democracy
Why do you vote for socialism, political persecution, show trials, a massive federal censorship infrastructure, turning the fbi, doj into leftist secret police then?

>>41429192
it's really a lose-lose thing. life for certain people might be better under fascism than communism but life for others might be better under communism than fascism (better to be poor and barely scraping by than tortured or killed solely for your ethnicity; though communists will do it based on how wealthy your parents are)

both are so bad and so evil that it's like trying to rank genocides or something. both just need to be wholly rejected and condemned

>>41429554
please put on a tripcode so we can filter you. you've literally been writing these posts for like 3 years now

>>41429570
Nope, you're going to keep encountering me revealing the truth and seethe about it.

>>41408206
>I would be fine with liberals if they didn't insist on being as imperialistic as their conservative counterparts
liberalism does not necessitate being pro-foreign interventions. some liberals support them, some oppose them, some are neutral. it's a tricky issue since there are so many nth-order effects

for example, bombing assad's regime after each chemical attack (though deranged leftists will go full /pol/ and say it's all false flags of course) actually got assad's military to stop gassing their own civilians with nerve toxins in a way that seems like a net good. liberals largely supporting the iraq war was in hindsight horrible, perhaps still even if saddam actually had had significant WMDs, but liberals have grown less hawkish since

>>41429231
>Profit isn't a real thing
Lol, liberals really are retarded. I'm so happy you guys are dying out man. China can win soon enough.
>socialism is the inevitable result of a vanguard party of retards seizing power then trying to abolish "da anarchy of the merket" with a planned economy, as seen in eastern europe, the soviet union, china and north korea.
Imagine thinking China is a bad place to live compared to shit holes like the US with school shootings and crime everywhere. Who wouldn't want a government that kills liberals and stops them from making society objectively worse for the rest of us?

>>41429303
lmfao shut the fuck up you slimy retard *please*, you for sure don't know even the difference between socialism and communism, your preference doesnt define the word. besides, noone has ever said what you double quoted. anarchists are almost exclusively left wing but either way neoliberalism present or not there is no free market in the US, you just say shit like that to daydream about like a 12 year old instead of formulating any actual views or having something you believe in because you're a piece of shit.

and by the way, if you're talking abt china with the vanguard party shit, no, that very historically was chinese people gaining power due to chinese people being disgruntled with recent events causing mass poverty, and for the first time in awhile there was a force that wasn't america trying to ram it's cock down their throat on politics america bore no rightful say in. if you're gonna pull the machiavellian evil red man just wants to trick you card, at least do it while giving china the bare minimum of respect as a nation and agree that foreign imperial powers have no place in a developing' nations politics instead of pretending the CCP being led by the chinese made it somehow bad. or, fuck, maybe you're so fucking stupid you don't even know about that, and just consider anyone you don't like bearing power "a vanguard party of retards seizing power"

>regardless of how much they insist socialism is actually about the worker's controlling the means of production for their own benefit
ermm ackstually marx was calling to action, he was making the statement that the workers should practice such, he wasn't selling anything with that in particular. god you're so fucking stupid

anyways i've yapped enough im eepy i will not be replying to whatever sludge you verbalize next please kill yourself at the nearest available opportunity x

Liberals don't understand communism, or socialism, because they get all their information about communism from old Axis atrocity war propaganda
Liberals are the moderate wing of fascism

>>41430322
>Profit isn't a real thing
That's not what he said.

>>41430725
That's exactly what he said. You're just stupid and can't read, my dude.

>>41407151 (OP)
>>41407163
the stuff privileged cis ppl say is crazy

>>41429231
>dialect
It's actually wild seeing liberals call people who use "dialectical materialism" as stupid when Xi uses it for governance, and he controls the most powerful country in the world.
While liberals, with their intelligence, lost to someone like fucking Donald Trump, kek.

>>41430430
>anarchists are almost exclusively left wing
He wasn't talking about anarchism. You're the one who doesn't know what he's talking, Marxist-Leninist "theory" does indeed talk about capitalism being anarchy of production. It's in some of the most basic writings even.https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1880/soc-utop/ch03.htm

>>41430430
>anarchists are almost exclusively left wing
Anarchy of production is basic Marxoid "theory" and has nothing to do with anarchism. Here's Engels talking about it.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1880/soc-utop/ch03.htm
>We have seen that the capitalistic mode of production thrust its way into a society of commodity-producers, of individual producers, whose social bond was the exchange of their products. But every society based upon the production of commodities has this peculiarity: that the producers have lost control over their own social inter-relations. Each man produces for himself with such means of production as he may happen to have, and for such exchange as he may require to satisfy his remaining wants. No one knows how much of his particular article is coming on the market, nor how much of it will be wanted. No one knows whether his individual product will meet an actual demand, whether he will be able to make good his costs of production or even to sell his commodity at all. Anarchy reigns in socialized production.

>>41430430
>>41432740
>III. Proletarian Revolution — Solution of the contradictions. The proletariat seizes the public power, and by means of this transforms the socialized means of production, slipping from the hands of the bourgeoisie, into public property. By this act, the proletariat frees the means of production from the character of capital they have thus far borne, and gives their socialized character complete freedom to work itself out. Socialized production upon a predetermined plan becomes henceforth possible. The development of production makes the existence of different classes of society thenceforth an anachronism. In proportion as anarchy in social production vanishes, the political authority of the State dies out. Man, at last the master of his own form of social organization, becomes at the same time the lord over Nature, his own master — free.
So you are in fact the retard who has no clue what he's talking about

>>41432752
>In proportion as anarchy in social production vanishes, the political authority of the State dies out
Notice that this is the exact opposite of what happened in socialist shitholes btw

>>41432773
girl the war

>>41432780
You mean the one that happened over a decade after collectivization? Did the political authority of the state grow or shrink during the move from the NEP to SiOC? It grew. Some dogmatic retard will come along to tell me that Engels is talking about full communism and not socialism, or maybe say that SiOC was state capitalism. Which is exactly as serious as a sermon about the errors of some rival church. In terms of material reality rather than millennarian theory, Marxism's proven track record is socially reactionary, anti-LGBT planned economies run by a caste of party bureaucrats. Liberalism has created the most comfortable societies in human history. Chinese were dirt fucking poor under Mao, that only changed with the reforms.

>>41432839
>Donald
>Did the political authority of the state grow or shrink during the move from the NEP to SiOC? It
Imagine being retarded, and not understanding the Marxist theory of the state. Bureaucracy is a fundamental part of Marxism. To Marx, the growth bureaucracy is the end result of communism because the state will transition to an administration of things to manage the economy.
That is largely what happened under capitalism too as populations grow, and there needed to be more problems to solve as populations must create new ways to create supply chains and logistical manage resources across larger populations.
Marxists are not dumbass anarchists, like you, who think we want everyone to live on medieval communes and figure who gets what autonomously.
>planned economies
Imagine being so dumb you don't understand all economies these days are planned. Do you not know what indicative planning is, you midwit? NEP acted the same way. In fact, all socialist countries did it. Milton Friedman went to Yugolsavia in 1960s and 1970s and took notice to the phenomena. Bureaucrats, in the Soviet Union, did not just look at spread sheets all day and dictated everything a room. Firms had some autonomy to follow the economic plan because it's impossible to manage resources otherwise.
>Liberalism has created the most comfortable societies in human history.
For Vietnam? For Iraq? For Afghanistan? For Gaza, the place you just genocided? Buddy, you lost to TRUMP precisely because liberalism have failed at raising living standards for last 30 years, after the fall of the Soviet Union, but you want to tell us you're doing a good job? LMFAO, China is eating your launch and Russia is chipping away your world order and Islamic immigrants are destroying the social fabric of Europe. You guys are dying and you're too stupid to realize it because you live an alternative reality where you think everything is fine. Ironically, you are just like the Soviets were in the 1980s.

>>41434050
>For Vietnam? For Iraq? For Afghanistan? For Gaza, the place you just genocided?
I don't live in any of those places.

>>41407151 (OP)
>Buying goods and services is BOURGEOIS!!!
Do leftists even read Marx anymore?

>>41434271
So not only have you made own society worse, you've made the world worse too
liberalism is so bae

women are bourgeoidontcare is a liberal position

a third option exists

>>41434387
>made own society worse
Than what? Than Russia lol? In any period you want to pick it was worse.
>muh falling profits, revolution in 2 more weeks
Do you realize you retards have been saying this literally since the 19th century? The term late capitalism is literally 100 years old.

>>41434655
Hey leftists
*Gets Trump elected*

>>41434655
>Do you realize you retards have been saying this literally since the 19th century?
There famously weren't any revolutions 19th century.
Libs confirming to be historically illiterate and retarded.

>>41434420
You should be executed like Mussolini was, you soulless bug.

>>41434852
>Libs accuse others of being bloodthristy and murderous
>Randomly spergs and calls for the execution of a person for posting an anime avatar
lol

>>41434852
promise?

>>41430477
>Liberals are the moderate wing of fascism
you can repeat stalin's line all you want. it doesn't make it true

plus, lots of leftists happily side with fascists if it gives them an opportunity to stick it to the libs

you can see leftists in this thread conceding that they and other leftists feel that way

>>41417382
>I believe it, like 60% of the time leftist groups I've been in are shitting on left-liberal/socdems and the other 30% is other leftist groups. Very rarely talking about rightoids.

>>41417508
>honestly as a leftist this is essentially true. i get along with fascists way more because at least they understand this system is fundamentally broken.

center-left liberals are truly the only sane intelligent people on this earth when it comes to political and economic ideologies

you can sprinkle in some leftist theory about war and imperialism and colonialism but those don't require an actual leftist foundation. any liberal framework obviously covers why conquering countries and supporting autocracies and plundering resources is extremely bad. same for all forms of economic exploitation and other sorts of exploitation and hierarchical oppression

>>41435308
You guys lost to Donald Trump, and you're still blaming leftists.

>>41435511
leftists haven't exactly done politically great in the US. NYC in 2025 is their one saving grace and that city is basically all left of center

I am not saying leftists are the reason for trump winning (though it is still morally reprehensible to be a leftist who didn't vote for harris and any such people should be shamed for the rest of their lives). everything is fucked either way. I just hope everyone can get their shit together for 2028

>>41435600
Why are you talking about leftists when they didn't lose to Donald Trump or cause it? You did. "Leftists" are just an excuse for you evade responsibility for the disasterous Biden presidency.

>>41435600
>Leftists should have voted for someone who didn't listen to them and tried to court war criminals like Dick Cheney while genociding Palestine
And you call us morally reprehensible lol

>>41434838
>There famously weren't any revolutions 19th century
Name one besides the Commune, which was a failure. The revolutions of 1848 were liberal revolutions.

>>41434811
>when your movement is historically inevitable and the only hope to prevent death camps but you get stopped by bratposters on twitter

>>41434838
This poster thinks 19th century means 1900s and is calling me illiterate lol

>>41435793
>The 1848 revolutions
What was liberal about pan-slavicism again, retard?

>>41435809
Pretty sure China's rise as a world power and the decline of US hegemony is obvious, but it's pretty clear the HRT has gone to your head and it's hard for you to see reality.

>>41435957
Ask me how I know you haven't even read Marx

>>41435821
Yeah, you pretty much are. Marx's theory of social change is trans-historical. He didn't simply argue that class struggle was responsible for revolutions in the 19th century, but for all of history. However, because many liberals are illiterate and struggle with reading any that isn't from liberal SLOP like New York Times & The Economist, it becomes rather difficult for you to understand concepts that require reading above the level of a fifth grader.

>>41436019
>He thinks 1848 Pan-Slavic revolutions were liberal
You haven't read Marx or any history book in your life about the 19th century.

>>41435809
>prevent death camps
And what were the gulags then?

>>41435511
To be fair, it's almost certainly the fault of leftists that the Dems lost to Trump. If they'd leanded toward their moderates and stuck to the center, they probably could have won, even with Harris. That "Kamala is for they/them" ad did brutal numbers.

>>41435793
>Name one besides the Commune
The 1851 attempt at establishing a commune which failed even harder. That's the one Les Mis is about.

>>41436119
Yup, despite leftists never controlling the government, they somehow did the things liberals did

>>41436119
Harris courted Dick Cheney, the Lincoln Project and she still lost, retard.
I swear, you libs have the memory of gold fish.

>>41436031
Marx was a dumbass retard who never accomplished anything of worth in his life, and his books are as retarded today as they were the day they were written

>>41435511
Because It is you fault your solution to problem are base on fairytales and delusion from a mad man that doesn't no how reality works. Karl max was a spoile brat.

>>41434050
>Bureaucracy is a fundamental part of Marxism.
>being retarded is a fundamental part of retardation

>>41434331
if leftists could read they'd kill themselves even more frequently

>>41436194
I need to figure out a cool job to have during the American Century of Humiliation. Maybe I could become the warlord of Colorado's court eunuch.

>>41436285
It isnt all systems have burocracy marxist is a ideology of the lazy who want to make everything about themselves and produce nothing to sociaty.

>>41407203
truth nuke

>>41436358
correct, but retardo isn't wrong about that first statement, it's an ideology that literally can't exist without some theoretical pencil pusher class managing everything who must also magically be completely pure of heart and lacking any/all personal selfish ambition.

>>41436348
>Old Navy Hon still wearing an N95

>>41436405
That's more of a vibe than a job

>>41407203
The retard isn't wrong, but the problem is that he's right about something he fundamentally doesn't understand, which is that commies are retarded hypocrites following a flawed ideology that makes no god damned sense.

>>41436403
Sounds like capitalism.

>>41436432
Nah, capitalism relies on the correct assumption that people are inherently motivated to pursue self-enrichment.

>>41436442
That isn't capitalism.

>>41436469
>inb4 capitalism is this extremely specific made up definition I learned in gender studies class
>also black people can't be racist cause I made up a new definition for racism

>>41436469
> life is meaningless to me as a leftist so i got to project that into others.

>>41436432
>imaginary system of government where a benevolent ruling class tirelessly works to make life perfect for all people for no compensation whatsoever
>capitalism
I genuinely want to know how a person becomes as retarded as this creature

>>41436518
Funny from people who believe money grow from trees. The retarded here is you.

>>41436232
If Marx's books were retarded, China wouldn't be the most powerful country in the world right now. He's accomplished more in life than you ever will and his ideas are the great grave digger of liberalism.

>>41436598
China is a dictatorship retard.

>>41436488
>>41436518
That's not what capitalism is, though.

>>41436275
>Marx was why liberals lost to Donald Trump
Yes, a dead guy is why liberals are so incompetent.

>>41436598
be a bit more subtle with the bait, hon

>>41436618
what isn't what capitalism is? Nobody said what capitalism "is". Who are you responding to? Are you well?

>>41436598
It is pretty funny that they're doing capitalism better than the West

>>41436617
>China is a dictatorship
And that's a good thing.

>>41436641
I'm sorry I just can't really support a pie-in-the-sky ideology like capitalism

>>41436617
All governments are dictatorships, retard.

>>41436650
Correct. All troons should go there immediately and live the dream.

>>41436634
The entire left ideology is base on socialism that = communism that come from karl max.

>>41436662
Democracy is not a dictatorship you must be low iq.

>>41436675
>I got my socialist ideology at Karmax!

>>41436675
Yes, Karl Marx somehow made Kamala Harris lose to Trump. It's not because liberals chose a retard just like them.

>>41436691
It's the dictatorship of the rich, retard. You're just controlled opposition and a social fascist.

>>41436729
How did the party of people like this guy ever lose to Trump? It's a damned mystery is what it is.

>>41436757
Democrats and Trumpists are basically the same
Leftists aren't a part of their party. I didn't vote for Harris and I'm happy I did not.

>>41436797
Good job being special retarded instead of just normal retarded, lefty.

>>41436702
kamala was spitting facts there, unironically

horseshoe theory is a legitimate phenomenon. obviously trump is not a literal communist but right populism and left populism are two sides of the same coin. wanting centralized control of the economy, intimidation of critics, fearmongering about the great enemy within who is both strong and weak, revulsion towards democracy and individual freedom and rights, respect for strongman autocrats, forcible suppression of dissent

trump strongarming companies into being controlled or partially owned or otherwise whipped by the central government is what kamala was referring to there, and she's right. the far-left and far-right are both anti-human cultists

>>41437112
Unfortunately while correct, she was also a retarded Democrat and as such completely failed to do anything correct at all during her entire vice presidency and subsequent campaign.

This thread really proves how childish leftists are. And of course MAGA and Nazis are 12-year-olds too. Reasonable progressive liberals who read shit like ft.com and watch Ezra Klein are the only adults in the room anymore.

>>41437156
she was pretty bad but I'd elect a random tripfag from this board over trump at this point

except like radiochan or something

>>41437169
That's not a statement of support for Trump, I think he's a retarded faggot too, it's just that the Democrats are so deeply, deeply fucking stupid that they keep running the only retarded candidates capable of losing to the man.

>>41437194
everything is bad and doomed sadly

chinese century may be unavoidable at this point. (and of course every leftist in this thread will toil to their last breath to see it happen. if they invade taiwan prepare for hundreds of pro-china anti-taiwan posts on this board every day)

>>41437229
china is always 3 months from total economic collapse and anyone who unironically believe they're anywhere close to overtaking the US in terms of global power is too stupid to care for themselves. It would take several consecutive uninterrupted decades of total and complete retarded incompetence from the US (not just the normal level of retarded incompetence) and a very sudden radical reduction in retardation from the chinese for that to happen.

>>41437112
>wanting centralized control of the economy, intimidation of critics, fearmongering about the great enemy within who is both strong and weak, revulsion towards democracy and individual freedom and rights, respect for strongman autocrats, forcible suppression of dissent
These are all things liberals have done though

>>41437273
>believe they're anywhere close to overtaking the US in terms of global power is too stupid to care for themselves.
The cope in this post is unreal.

>>41437389
who the literal fuck gives a shit about Germany?

>>41437112
>wanting centralized control of the economy, intimidation of critics, fearmongering about the great enemy within who is both strong and weak, revulsion towards democracy and individual freedom and rights, respect for strongman autocrats, forcible suppression of dissent
Democrats In New York were pass laws to ban people from owning guns based on their social media history, Obama was using IRS to go after conservatives, and Democrats established economy wide lock-downs and COVID passports... but they aren't authoritarian or haven't trampled on individual rights?
You are literally responsible for Trump almost being assassinated because you smeared him as a fascist.
And how can you say liberals respect Democracy when you denied giving Kamala Harris a primary and simply appointed her to the head of the party?
You retards lie all the time, and its no wonder people don't take you seriously.j

>>41437406
So you agree with leftists now we should pull out of NATO then?

>>41437429
two things can be true anon. Trump is an authoritarian retard who wants a planned economy, and the democrats are also a bunch of opportunistic authoritarian retard hypocrites.

>>41437434
Just because they're fucking stupid doesn't mean they're not right by mistake sometimes.

>>41437444
>Trump is authoritarian
How?

>>41437452
just like, in all the literal ways

>>41437452
try a little bit at least

>>41437460
Yeah, yeah we know, You only believe in democracy when you win, and when you lose it's authoritarianism.

>>41437480
I always lose, because the country is run by retards and I don't like any of them.

>>41437492
Well, I'm rootin' for Putin and Xi so I hope you are too
If you're going at least be anti-establishment, don't be a cringe lib crying about authority

>>41437518
>if you don't like these retarded authoritarian faggots, you should throw you hat in with these other retarded authoritarian faggots

no thanks, I hope all of you die sucking the shit out of each others' assholes

>>41437542
The only faggot is some weak willed lib like you
Get with the program

>>41437273
>It would take several consecutive uninterrupted decades of total and complete retarded incompetence from the US
anon......................

>>41437452
please just stop

>>41437518
I am extremely pro-establishment. trump and his ilk are anti-establishment

fuck trump, fuck putin, fuck xi. hail freedom, liberty, human rights, and humanism

>>41437444
what are you, a right-libertarian or something?

>>41436442
>>41436442
>capitalism relies on the correct assumption that people are inherently motivated to pursue self-enrichment.
That's not an assumption of capitalism. That's just an assumption of autistic people.

>>41438019
>Fuck Trump
Yes and no. Trump is useful because he's helping Xi and Putin. Fuck him regardless because he's just proof of liberalism's permanent decline in the U.S. and an outgrowth of your own cultural, moral and economic degeneracy.
>hail freedom, liberty, human rights, and humanism
Meaningless platitudes with no real content considering liberals have spent their entire existence committing "human rights" violations.

>>41438079
>Meaningless platitudes with no real content considering liberals have spent their entire existence committing "human rights" violations.
as have leftists

just be a liberal who opposes human rights violations. simple as.

>>41438088
>just be a liberal who opposes human rights violations. simple as.
A contradiction in terms since you never do that.

>>41438116
plenty do. you can find no shortage of liberals on social media and elsewhere with consistent moral and ideological principles

>>41438134
Yeah, we saw it during Gaza when you gave Israel the means of committing ethnic cleansing, we know.

>>41438147
plenty of liberals didn't and don't support israel at all. I'm talking about liberals, not democratic party leadership, who are a small subset of all liberals

>>41438171
Yes, plenty of liberals didn't, and went along with anyways and allowed it to happen.
Do you really people a fooled by this shit?

>>41438176
I don't know what to tell you. lots of liberals don't and didn't support israel. elections are still a choice between exactly two options and you always have to vote for the ones who's less bad. I'd vote for harris 10 million times over even if she were 50x more pro-israel than she was because she'd still be less pro-israel than trump and would still be better than trump in every single other category except maybe being less funny

>We will never take responsibility for our actions, but then pretend we are morally correct versus everyone else
It's easy to see why no one on the left really gives a shit about your bitching and moaning about Putin, Xi or or any "dictator" future and past.
Enjoy Trump bud