Thread 41534265

All the hysterical fear mongering that the Separation Program Designator code, "JDK", issued to transgender officers who are involuntary discharged under the 2025 ban, would trigger security-clearance incident reports or revocations and gender dysphoria would be reportable issue under SEAD-3 has been dispelled. The ban is a policy decision, not about targeting transgender people. All service members, regardless of if they are transgender or not, but meet the stand standards as all serve members, that includes no special accommodations for sex based standards.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/26209763-upr-additional-implementation-guidance-on-administrative-separations/

>In all cases, the characterization of service will be Honorable, unless otherwise warranted.

If this was about targeting trans people, they would have made it dishonorable. Even Don't Ask Don't Tell didn't have a mandatory Honorable discharge, this does.

bamp

>>41534265 (OP)
>oh no troons wont be rewarded for participating in the jewish globohomo army under the DNC now that its the jewish globohomo army under the RNC.
Why do people want to joing the pozzed brigade, there's no cause worth dying for that our country has been involved with for over 150 years.

>>41535225
You can’t be talking mr. Shlomstein

>>41535225
WWII wasn't a war worth fighting on the Allies' side?

>>41536686
its the spitting image of a war that shouldn't have even existed. it should have been germany crush poland, greater germany and russia fight for dominance. Considering the US glowniggers were heavily responsible for the death of the rominovs you could argue that the entire cold war was the responsability of the state of israel, but since they controlled both belligerents on every level they should have just been locked in a concentration camp cage match with all their shabbos goy until one side was left standing.

>>41535225
I needed money

bamp

>>41537291
wew

>>41536686
lmao no

>>41534298
Nope, Trump just learned.
If he'd made the discharge OTH, General or worse, then he'd just:
> Made martyrs
> Fueled a debate and a media spectacle unfavorable to him and the Party
> Created an issue which would create a free, popular symbolic victory for the next Dem government.

By mandating Honorable (unless otherwise not earned), he basically told the Army diversity hires to STFU, and paid them with a Honorable discharge.
Any dem who wants to overturn that has to attack the decision on principles.

By keeping the classified document privileges, it's another STFU step, since discharged DEI candidates remain employable in the Defense Civilian sector for the next 10 years, until the supply of fresh discharges with clearances clean up, then the entire US Military-Industrial complex will be DEI-free.

This is a genius 5D-chess move.

>>41538772
>This is a genius 5D-chess move.

i agree. the point was getting at is this isn’t anti-trans, its about not having special accommodations. by applying all biological standards across the board, it ensures standard uniformity. and the safe guards for discharged trans troops shows they are being protected. and now dems can’t say “look this is like lavender
scare” bs.

> remain employable in the Defense Civilian sector for the next 10 years
this is what im hoping most trans vets go.

>>41538772
>5d chess
>its just backpedaling
kek

>>41538921
its about ensuring trans service members are treated with dignity and respect as repeatedly said by DOD. The military simply can’t pay for everyone’s sex change. if you want one, serve and then get one after. the cost of the surgery, drugs after and non-deployment is the issue, not trans people.

>>41538921
Sorry General Honmaam, youre still relieved of command

>>41539026
i heard a shit load of trans women in military are Autogynephilia (AGP). the biggest most macho muscular guys transitioning into women. imagine all the hormonal make of them taking steroids and estrogen.

>>41534265 (OP)
>>41534298
>>41538772
>>41538898
Did you make this thread just to talk to yourself? Is this a bot thread?

I'm supposed to believe that banning me from joining the military, the last resort for poor people who can't find a job, is some kind of genius 5d chess favor they just handed me?
Shut your stupid mouth, moron. This is the laziest propaganda I've ever seen.

>>41539013
>The military simply can’t pay for everyone’s sex change.
They're paying for everyone's Viagra though, which costs even more. Interesting. Yeah this is lazy as fuck propaganda you're pushing. Go sell it somewhere else, weird freak.

>>41539120
> banning me from joining the military,
if you transitioned prior yes you are. if not, you can join as long as no GD in record. nothing stopping you from serving birth sex four years and than transitioning

this isn’t about anti-trans bigotry, its about ensuring uniformity across the board. you can also still join DOD civilian or PMCs.

>>41539131
> They're paying for everyone's Viagra though
they shouldn’t be paying for that either honestly. prior to may 8, 2025, DOD was turning to a sex change tourist hub of trans people getting free sex changes. i feel such things should be reserved after service.

> Yeah this is lazy as fuck propaganda you're pushing.

for decades standard USDOD policy prevented those with GD from serving. it was implemented at the tail end of obama’s last few months in office without fully understanding what impact it would have on readiness. was obama a bigot prior to june 30, 2016 for maintaining the same standards up to that point. trump is simply restoring uniformity.

>>41539181
>banning trans people from the military isn't about anti-trans bigotry
This has to be a bot, nobody is this retarded

>>41539272
it isn’t and Im tired of everyone pretending it is. trump, who said he is perfectly find with catlyin jenner using bathroom of her choice and him and musk meeting her for a photo shoot is not prejudiced.

unlike gays and lesbians, special accommodations has to be made for service. what if we need to make a X division for troops for non-binaries? I myself am banned from the military, not GD but for autism. do you think we should make special accommodations for autistic and people with type 1 diabetes? yet only when GD is banned does transphobic accusations is made.

>>41539181
> you can also still join DOD civilian or PMCs.
Yeah, Goddess you're retarded.
The DoD has the DEI ban, so you won't get hired with GD.
Civilian Defense will hire vetted previous service people or people who can be vetted, walking up to lockheed from the street even with credentials and civvie experience will cause you to have your cv trashed vs a vet.
PMCs almost exclusively hire vets, especially from infantry/spec recce MOS's. That means stricter physical reqs than uniformed, strict veterancy reqs (deployed overseas, seen combat), kill thirst, and almost 100% male.

>>41539181
> nothing stopping you from serving birth sex four years and than transitioning
This is actually the most based trans/repping meta, and explains the high amount of vet troons.

>>41538898
> {Defense Civ} is what im hoping most trans vets go.
There won't be enough spaces esp. for ex-17C/17Q with the AI-era downsizing. Paper pushers will go to non-defense, and I'd really like to see competent ex-mil in Corpo middle management.

>>41539120
> Did you make this thread just to talk to yourself?
>41534265 (OP)
>41534298
>41538772 (You)
>41538898

Close but no cigar.

>>41539348
>unlike gays and lesbians, special accommodations has to be made for service
The same is true for a half dozen other not-particularly-debilitating health conditions. Categorical ban instead of making it waiverable is purely about the general trumptard war on trans people (they literally just tried to do a hyde amendment style soft-ban on trans healthcare, don't even try to pretend).
>I myself am banned from the military, not GD but for autism
Yes because as you've aptly demonstrated ITT it makes you too insufferable for the sort of crayon-chewing retards that populate the lower ranks to tolerate. Picrelated is literally you after 5 weeks at bootcamp. Trannies are made of much tougher stuff than autists.

>The DoD has the DEI ban, so you won't get hired with GD.

if talking just DOD and not DOD civilian, only if you are diagnosed or transitioned prior.

>Civilian Defense will hire vetted previous service people or people who can be vetted, walking up to lockheed from the street even with credentials and civvie experience will cause you to have your cv trashed vs a vet.

explain

>PMCs almost exclusively hire vets, especially from infantry/spec recce MOS's. That means stricter physical reqs than uniformed, strict veterancy reqs (deployed overseas, seen combat), kill thirst, and almost 100% male.

well trans men

>There won't be enough spaces

i don’t believe you with the amount of bureaucracy in DOD civilian

>>41539348
> I myself am banned from the military

>>41539439
>Trannies are made of much tougher stuff than autists.
Actually ^this.
I haven't been in the real military, per se, POGs here are "serving" as civilians (this is a benefits shit, so that infantry MOS gets service benefits, and POGs get civvie wages). I was a 17C, and got ELS'd for being trans, post-op. Yay me and my big fucking mouth and my naiveté believing in honor.

>>41539439
> Categorical ban instead of making it waiverable is purely about the general trumptard war on trans people

no because trans people are a protected class. by removing waiver process, it ensures that no accusations of basis or favoritism. everyone is treated equal. wow crazy concept

> (they literally just tried to do a hyde amendment style soft-ban on trans healthcare, don't even try to pretend).
tried. it literally can’t pass the senate. it requires 60 votes. trump knows this.

> Trannies are made of much tougher stuff than autists.
nobody has said transgenders can’t serve. they can like everyone else, in their birth sex.

>>41539554
>nobody has said transgenders can’t serve. they can like everyone else, in their birth sex.
This is so dumb. This is as dumb as telling homos they have the same right to marriage as everyone else, so long as they marry a woman. lmao.

>>41539554
> nobody has said transgenders can’t serve
> in their birth sex.
{DADT}
> nobody said gays can't serve
> they just need to keep it in their pants
> and not just for frat reasons

>>41539571
It's funny that autists in movies are portrayed as smart, because as this one demonstrates a lot of them are actually just retarded.

>>41539439
>>41539509
oh and someone like me who was diagnosed with autism (or called acute asburgers at the time) in 2nd grade, had special needs education and had an aid in class with regular students have no way to wavie that to serve. do I go around call them evil ableist bigots? no because i know the military is there for uniformity and lethality. me being there wont be a detriment to that.

>>41539348
>said he is perfectly find with catlyin jenner using bathroom of her choice
And in what year was that?

>>41539601
>the military is there for uniformity and lethality
That is not what the military is there for you moron. Submental babbling idiots like you and Hegseth have no understanding of what makes the US military so effective.

>>41539571
>>41539580
did allowing gays and lesbians to serve openly lead to special accommodations for them that no other medical condition needed? do you believe autistic people like me with a diagnosis should serve with special accommodations?

there is a reason most americans support gays and lesbians serving and oppose transgender serving openly. because of the special accommodations. should we have male, female and now a new X division? after all that discriminates against nonbinaries right?

>>41539618
what does it matter? that is still his official stance on the issue.

>>41539643
And what is your evidence that is still his official stance on the issue?

>>41539624
> That is not what the military is there for you moron.
our military is there for defense of the planet against illiberal authoritarian regimes like Russia and China. If the us military goes, they would take over. we simply cannot afford to allow those diagnosed with GD to have special accommodations, while autism and type 1 diabetes does not. us is the most accepting place on earth for trans people. us miltary service is not a right.

>>41539724
> And what is your evidence that is still his official stance on the issue?
because he never changed his stance since 2016 on it. look it up.

>>41539733
> our military is there for defense of the planet
No you fucking moron, your military is there for the defense of the United States of America, and to deter her enemies for mounting an attack against her.

Only retarded UStards believe that it's their manifest destiny to lead the world and rule the waves, China is a superior military and economic power and anyone knows it. The unipolar world is over.

> us is the most accepting place on earth for trans people
No you moron.

> we simply cannot afford to allow those diagnosed with GD to have special accommodations, while autism and type 1 diabetes does not.
So I see.
You couldn't serve, so you are butthurt and now seethe.
Go back to /k/ or /pol/ and play some airsoft and battlefield.

>>41539878
>No you fucking moron, your military is there for the defense of the United States of America, and to deter her enemies for mounting an attack against her.

and only way to do that is to ensure that the usa remains on top as the perpetual global super power on earth

>Only retarded UStards believe that it's their manifest destiny to lead the world and rule the waves, China is a superior military and economic power and anyone knows it. The unipolar world is over.

you want places like russia and china to rule the world? they are both fascist regimes

>No you moron.
it is true. us first country to allow trans people to amend their birth certificates since 1955. and move to russia snd china. and see how they treat trans people. european union even moving into ant-trans panic. us under trump everyone is equal.

> So I see. You couldn't serve, so you are butthurt and now seethe. Go back to /k/ or /pol/ and play some airsoft and battlefield.

i am not seethin. i just like to point out autistic people dont claim discrimination based on autism diagnosis being banned. yet returning to previous medical standards that gender dysphoria is banned is now bigotry. us military is the least discriminating on earth and most welcoming trans people.

>>41539997
> and only way to do that is to ensure that the usa remains on top as the perpetual global super power on earth
US jobs are in India, manufacturing capacity is in China, chips coming from Taiwan, and domestic jobs are filled with h1bs, blue collar jobs are filled by illegals. You were saying...

> TrUmP wIlI maEK mOaR jErBs!!
> mUh IcE dePorTaTionS11ONE
will not work as long as the USA is a corporatocracy. Corpos race to the bottom in workers rights, wages and regulations, and having the GAAP made for computers, H1Bs earning half, and nearshoring farms earning a tenth to a twentieth of what an US employee earns will tend to make the wages go down.

> you want places like russia and china to rule the world?
I want the fucking Eu to pull their head out of their fucking asses, have their intelligence capability directed against the metric fuckton of RuZZki spies on its territory, and unify their armies into a single federal EU army and armed forces. Same goes for the police, it's high time the EU created the FBI, CIA and DIA equivalents (yes, federal).

And Poland and Germany to create their own nuclear deterrent now that the UK's out and the EU relies on French and US deterrents.
But a girl can dream, right?

> you want places like russia and china to rule the world?
They already are, fuckhead.

> european union even moving into ant-trans panic.
And who's creating that? Illegal mudslimes getting in since 2015 using the disaster that was Wilkommenskultur in Germany and Sweden, and of course fucking /pol/ making the literal NSDAP (called AfD) great again.

> us under trump everyone is equal.
Who the fuck overturned fucking Roe again?
And he's coming after Obergefell now.

> i just like to point out autistic people dont claim discrimination
Clear boundaries vs DADT is important here. When you go to the enlistment center and you got told that "you can't serve because"... is entirely fucking different than enlisting, and getting an ELS or discharge because

>>41540181
>US jobs are i n India, manufacturing capacity is in China, chips coming from Taiwan, and domestic jobs are filled with h1bs, blue collar jobs are filled by illegals. You were saying...
what you talking about there is still huge amount of manufacturing in usa

>will not work as long as the USA is a corporatocracy. Corpos race to the bottom in workers rights, wages and regulations, and having the GAAP made for computers, H1Bs earning half, and nearshoring farms earning a tenth to a twentieth of what an US employee earns will tend to make the wages go down.

they only do that if regulations in place to ensure corporations can mutually benefit off each other.

>I want the fucking Eu to pull their head out of their fucking asses, have their intelligence capability directed against the metric fuckton of RuZZki spies on its territory, and unify their armies into a single federal EU army and armed forces. Same goes for the police, it's high time the EU created the FBI, CIA and DIA equivalents (yes, federal). And Poland and Germany to create their own nuclear deterrent now that the UK's out and the EU relies on French and US deterrents.
But a girl can dream, right?

they are only even moving in that direction due to trump. they would be sucking russia’s dick for more oil. we have all the oil on earth europe needs

>They already are, fuckhead.

laughably untrue. russia is on verge of collapse with Ukraine. china is still a threat, but its economic power is declining as more shit towards manufacturing in indonesia and vietnam

>And who's creating that?

the various Dungist Russian supporting far right parties. Russia is the head of anti-trans movement though-out world

>>41540297
continued from previous post

>Illegal mudslimes getting in since 2015 using the disaster that was Wilkommenskultur in Germany and Sweden, and of course fucking /pol/ making the literal NSDAP (called AfD) great again.

so you can’t claim america isn’t the safest place on earth for being trans. a trans person in NYC will not face the level of discrimination one faces in hungary or Russia, where they kill you.

>Who the fuck overturned fucking Roe again?
USCOTUS that Trump had no control over
>And he's coming after Obergefell now.
nobody as SCOTUS has said they will not revisit that case

> Clear boundaries vs DADT is important here. When you go to the enlistment center and you got told that "you can't serve because"... is entirely fucking different than enlisting, and getting an ELS or discharge because
you aren’t being discharged for being trans. nowhere in the memo order does it say being transgender is dischargeable. go up to any commander tell them that and they couldn’t do anything about it. what is banned is gender dysphoria and transitioning prior to serving. once you get out, you can transition. but you have to serve the same standards as anyone else without special privileges.

>>41534265 (OP)
It is a commander by commander decision to pursue clearances and they are doing so. Hate to burst your bubble by FAFO

>>41540672
explain for those of us not in military

>>41540672
>>41540672
If a commander is filing clearance referrals because someone is transgender rather than for a valid SEAD-3 category, that violates the guidance — not proof of it. Abuse of clearance systems = career-ruining misconduct, not “commander’s discretion.”

>>41539733
The US military exists to defend the US against foreign invasion. Imperialist lunatics like you are a threat to this country and to humanity. What has made the US so effective as a fighting force in WW2 and beyond is that it rejects your retarded malebrained fantasies about what a military is 'supposed' to be in favor of what actually wins conventional wars. The woke they/them army would actually do gangbusters in a stand-up shooting war. You and Pete misjudge its effectiveness based on your own moronic inclination towards imperial misadventures and counter insurgency campaigns, which the US army cannot do effectively because it is a conventional fighting force.

>>41540910
> Imperialist lunatics like you are a threat to this country and to humanity.
It is an imperialist world. do you want Russia or China to be the ruling imperialist powers? You know what they do to transgender ms there?

> The woke they/them army would actually do gangbusters in a stand-up shooting war.
great what does that have to do with pentagon funded sex changes and creating a new X gender part of the military?

>You and Pete misjudge its effectiveness based on your own moronic inclination towards imperial misadventures and counter insurgency campaigns, which the US army cannot do effectively because it is a conventional fighting force.

ukraine in a conventional war and we see how “effective” russia is doing there. We need strong warriors how will get in and get out. not having to worry about the recovery time after bottom surge and how many months of recovery. we need to instill in our troops that russia and china are the enemies of humanity and if they take over it will be the end of liberal democracies.

>>41538772
It's not 5d chess. They just want to win the midterms is all. Can't ignite the left too much.

>>41539571
This response caused so much seething, yet no actual rebuttal. Funny.

>>41541437
military service is not a right