>nephew is in the 4th grade
>check out the books he has to read
>every single book is written by a woman
>the male characters clearly what the author thinks boys are like (stuff like he admired the fierceness and independence of female character rather than her boobs)

Is this the reason why boys/men won't read? I remember growing up and couldn't identify with any of the character. They all came across as someone who would get bullied hard.

Yes women are being used to subvert all of men's hobbies.

>>24497853 (OP)
Be the change you want to see

>niece is in the 4th grade
>check out the books she has to read
>every single one is written by a 60 year old man
>the female character doesn't exist

>>24497853 (OP)
>female is white
>male is not white
odd

>>24497868
You're starting to notice huh. It's in literally all advertising

I don't know what eveyrone else's experiences were, but boys didn't read when I was a kid, either.
It seems to me that people have this fake image of the past, like there were some halcyon days where everyone read and a bookstore was on every corner. As far as I can tell, it was never like that and reading was never, ever popular.

>>24497870
Stop noticing

>>24497853 (OP)
I noticed this when Harry Potter first came out. I remember wondering when Draco and Harry are finally going to just slug it out and they never did. Instead they just made backhand comments about each others clothes like teeanged girls would do.

>>24497872
I read lots of books in middle school. It's a psyop

>>24497880
Yeah, you did. Did many others? I'm gonna guess the answer is no or you would have mentioned them already.

>>24497880
You read now nigga. That doesn't mean everyone else does too.

In the US, our children are taught by overweight niggers who think that the reason they are unhealthy, poor and stupid is because someone said a bad word one time

https://www.mediaite.com/media/tv/jamaal-bowman-claims-black-people-have-higher-rates-of-heart-disease-and-cancer-because-of-being-called-the-n-word/

Critical thinking is just not a super high priority for these people
Getting green leafy money cheques from the government is

>>24497872
You can just look at the myriad studies to see the trend is to the right and down

>>24497872
There are studies and a definitive consensus on the matter, you don't have to rely on “experiences”. Children and male in particular read much, much less than they used to.

>>24497853 (OP)
Modern education/work sphere exist only to make sure women aren't having babies and to humiliate men.

>>24497853 (OP)
Has Chronicles of Narnia been canceled yet? Those are pretty good. Honestly, by the time they finish those and kid's versions of Aesop's Fables, faire tales, myths, and a few other good early one's they should just be given the Iliad and Aeneid, the David story of Samuel and I Kings, Genesis, Maccabees, etc. Obviously, that's for assisted reading and then I suppose stuff like Narnia and the Book of Three will good for individual reading. By the time they are preteens it's time for the easy Platonic dialogues (yes, including the Alcibiades, it's excellent even if Plato didn't write it), dramas, Ethics, Confessions, etc. Then as an early teen the Consolation, before getting into heavier stuff (which needs to come before Dante to make Dante fully worthwhile).

I would make the Republic, Physics and Metaphysics, Phaedrus, Symposium, and some of the relevant stuff from the Summas the "welcome to adulthood" package for well prepared 16 year olds, and then give them Dante. Some exposure to Indian and Chinese thought is helpful, in that they are also a virtue ethics, same for Islamic philosophy. Only then is it worth trying to get into Hume, Nietzsche, etc., because otherwise they dismiss their heritage without having any clue what they are actually turning down (like many moderns and most contemporaries), and adopt incoherent and destructive world-views.

>>24497874
I agree that JK Rowling sucks at writing young men but how did you miss the part where Harry nearly kills Draco in a wizard duel?

>>24497853 (OP)
What horrifies me is thinking about the result of the decline of critical thinking. We spent centuries getting people to the point where they could think deeply about their lives and their place in the world and it helped shape civilization as we know it; now we're creating a much more densely populated world where people don't have the tools to be able to think about ethics, virtues and society.

If you don't count YAslop and femgooner slop, then basically nobody is reading. The reason is screen addiction.

>>24498240
This but without all the Abrahamic bullshit

>>24497853 (OP)
>book for 9yos is not explicitly sexual
>op thinks this is a problem
I may not be a fan of modern children's literature, but I think this issue in particular is not an issue

>>24498293
Athiests who want to cut Christianity out of the canon (so, most of Western history) because it triggers them are the equivalent of those who feel the need to "decolonize" the curriculum.

Not to mention that the sustained narrative from the start of I Samuel to the begining of I Kings is some of the best ancient literature.

It's also foundational for understanding art history, literary history, etc.

>>24498326
I'm not an atheist. I'm just tired of Christcucks and muzzrats.
>the sustained narrative from the start of I Samuel to the begining of I Kings is some of the best ancient literature
The only good books of the bible are Job, Ecclesiastes, and a couple of the major prophets. Still don't like it tho

>>24497863
This. Boys are just self-centered and can't live without self-inserting. Girls growing up had to read books where all the main characters were male and the female characters were a sexist stereotype. It's mandatory reading to see 1984 and it has the protagonist fantasising about raping a chaste woman to death
That shit's probably far more damaging than a boy written by a female author not acting like a pervert
It's turned all our tomboys in to troons because they couldn't identify with anything growing up

>>24498304
I saw a children's book that had an implied /ss/ rape scene

>>24498401
>1984 and it has the protagonist fantasising about raping a chaste woman to death
Isn't Julia a bigtime slut who fucks everyone, though? Or are you talking about someone else? I admittedly haven't read it in a few decades.

>>24498406
He fantasies about raping Julia when he thinks she's a virgin and pure so he definitely just has a sadism fetish
This is the equivalent of if every boy had to read a book similar to the Hunger Games but the main archer girl thinks about cutting off boys' balls with extreme satisfaction, and no one will address this is a morality problem.
Same with Mice and Men and Great Gatsby, love the books more than most, but men complain when there is a feminist corny comment in their capeshit. Imagine you had to read only books where your sex acts like idiots and then are killed at the end like Curly's wife and Tom's mistress. You lads wouldn't survive

>>24498363
Jonah is great, if just for ending on a question like that.

Ruth is great and unique, and Esther is also a great story. Wisdom has some great sections. Judith is a fine story as far as ancient lit goes. Amos is great. Psalms and the Canticle of Canticles has some exquisite poetry. Normally Joel isn't ranked as high by lit critics but I think the imagery is great and Hosea is unique too.

But it's also important for later literature and thought, e.g. classics like Saint Gregory of Nyssa's Life of Moses. And then the KJV has had a monumental affect on English literature.

>>24498437
>classics like Saint Gregory of Nyssa's Life of Moses
My nigga nobody but you reads that kind of shit.

>>24498427
Good, can that stuff and go back to Dido, Beatrice, Cassandra, Antigone, Penelope, Esther, Ruth, Deborah, Judith, Hypatia, Media, Brunhilde, Minerva, Juno, Freyja, Frigg, etc.

Plenty of heros, villains, and tragic characters to go around.

>>24498456
>Good, can that stuff and go back to Dido, Beatrice, Cassandra, Antigone, Penelope, Esther, Ruth, Deborah, Judith, Hypatia, Media, Brunhilde, Minerva, Juno, Freyja, Frigg, etc.
Actually a based take. I notice that a lot of girls love mythology despite the fact that there's also a lot of hatred against women around that time, and that is likely because I think there's more to identify with in Biblical and mythological women than in female characters written by hard-smoking modernists bitter at their ex-wives
Tomboys want to be Judith and geeky girls want to be Hypatia. There's nothing to relate to in Daisy Buchanan or in most of Hemingway's women

>>24498456
>>24498465
It's less so that there's nothing to relate to and more that there is nothing to aspire to. A 30 year old schizo might like modernist literature, or a grizzled war vet whose wife left him. A pure young girl or an idealistic teen boy is not going to find anything appealing in verbose story about a man drinking himself to death while being cucked by a caricature of a BPD woman, and then also the woman is killed in the end because of karma and the author writing with one hand
It's demoralizing and meansprited to both sexes especially if you still have your life ahead of you. You want to read about heroes and heroines

>>24498465
There's no particular hatred of women in mythology

>>24498542
There's some stuff that's definitely sexist in mythology (e.g Hesiod complaining about golddiggers when women in his society had not choice but to live off a man, characters taking women prisoner and raping them being portrayed as virtuous) but it was part of a wilder and more brutish world. In comparison the sexists of today seem grimy and petty, in the where everything is a manifesto against BPD exes

Because men are taught to read the books on the bottom instead of the books on the top
Novels ruined literature

>>24497853 (OP)
Give him a copy of Journey to the Center of the Earth. It was my favorite in 4th grade and it's perfect for boys.
The schools have completely turned their backs on trying to get boys to enjoy reading. The supposed virtue in subverting gender roles supersedes doing their job in all instances.

>>24498621
The schools never tried to get kids to enjoy reading, they just wanted them to get their literacy test scores higher
The way books are taught tends to negate any kind of enjoyment but part of the learning from a book is the enjoyment.
I had a teacher recommend I show the kids stories about gay men making out while playing vidya. Because kids love screens and zoomers have statistically more gays

>>24498556
>women in his society had not choice but to live off a man
Women didn't have the "choice" to pretend to be men (neither did men have the "choice" to pretend to be women), big fucking deal. Number one who cares number two that's a far leap from HATRED which is what you claimed.

>poor me don't you see I'm forced to lie to a man if i want SHINY, and it's my divine right to enjoy SHINY things waaaah

Fuck you, pig. There's no particular hatred of women but there should have been

>>24497872
How old are you? I'm 29 and while most kids didn't have reading as an active hobby when I grew up in middle school, sure, but they enjoyed reading when it counted. For book reports we would fight over Goosebumps, mysteries, dragon stories, etc. We all loved Greek myths as kids, too. The only ones who did everything they could to not read were sub IQ apes who literally could not understand what they were supposed to "do" as they read (yes, this was actually a common complaint).

That being said, by high school everyone found it to be a nuisance and the ones who actively read outside of book reports were a select few, and even most of them kept reading slop.

So all this to say... you might actually be right when it comes to boys. Most boys would much rather play in the mud or fuck around than sit down and read a book. But I do remember a period when you would actually catch boys reading for entertainment.

>>24498648
Boys will read up in till you make it seem like you are making them do work
They love to play in the mud but they also love a good adventure story as long as they aren't being asked to write a book report or an essay on it after

reading books is nerd shit for feminine men

videogames are the new nerd shit for feminine men, ergo the amount of men reading has gone down

there is no conspiracy, this is no mystery.

Manly men, even most normie men in general, were never reading Tolstoy or this or that author cry about his heckin feelings, and how war is le bad, or how unfair society is to women or becoming boyfriends to Christ etc etc

>>24497872
Yeah, I was always the odd one out. It was mostly girls who would read a lot. I started dipping a toe into "the classics" in HS, and my Junior and Senior language arts teacher would always encourage me specifically to talk in discussions and stuff. Loved her class.

>>24498627
I remember I used to love creative writing when I young and didn't pick it up again until I was in late high school. I thought about it and the reason I stopped was because any writing they taught us was for the standardized test. Every time I wrote it was all about following the rules, five sentences in a paragraph, five paragraphs, intro - body - conclusion, etc. I hated it. Weeks later I would get some number graded by an administration from the state with zero feedback on how to improve.

>>24498240
Saving this post. Thanks anon. Wife and I are expecting a son in September. Will be good to have a rough course plotted out for his reading.

>>24497853 (OP)
The only good female authors I’ve ever read in my life were Virginia Wolff and Mary Shelley. Honestly can’t believe a woman was able to write something like Frankenstein.

>>24498401
Rape is natural among mammals, women are done a disservice by not being exposed to its possibility, which will never be extinguished from human society

Not a single person in my Russian highschool by 2019 was reading, neither male nor female
Not magazines, not books, nothing

>>24497872
>As far as I can tell, it was never like that and reading was never, ever popular.
This guy gets it. I'm 40 and throughout my entire pre-college life, I was literally the only person in my grade who read anything that wasn't assigned. I had one friend who occasionally read fantasy slop, like a few books a year, and that's it.

It was in fact so rare to see a kid reading that my teachers would constantly comment on it. My senior year of high school, I'd always have a book with me to read between classes or whatever and my English teacher, who I didn't appreciate at the time but recognize now as a peak milf, was always very interested to see what I was reading and give me recommendations. I remember one time I was reading something by Hesse before class and she walked past and reached down to tip the cover forward a bit so she could see what I was reading, didn't say anything, just gave this sort of whimsical sigh and kept on walking.

She gave me her number on the last day of school and one of my biggest regrets is that I never did anything with it, as I was sadly in the grips of onetisis at the time.

>>24497853 (OP)
Because all the books are bad and about the politics of vagina hairs or something like that.

>>24498853
There are many others. Willa Cather, Flannery o'Connor, Edith Wharton, Charlotte Bronte, and Jane Austen, among others, are all GOATs.

>>24498887
Dumb fake story, 2/10

>>24498925
>GOATs
Fuck off with the monkey speak

>>24498935
You're really underestimating how much English teachers appreciate having a student who actually enjoys reading. That was the only one who had a romantic thing for me but every other English teacher I had, male or female, simply loved me as a student, Surely you can understand that it must be incredibly soul-crushing to have to force kids to read when they hate it and have zero interest.

>>24498947
Ok; replace that with 'they are all among the greats' if it suits your fancy.

im convinced women like seeing men get shit wrong but the buck kind of stops there in terms of shared intellectual culture

>mfw this thread made me realize i don't know a single person my age who reads that isn't romance smut or young adults novels

Every time we have one of these threads it only increases my desire to see our entire civilization destroyed. At this point I'm actively rooting for Trump to go full madman and start a nuclear war. Look at this shit, there's nothing worth saving about the modern world, we'd be better off if it all fell apart.

>>24498948
I believe you anon.

Teachers go into fields because they're passionate about their subject. Most the kids they're forced to teach don't even want to be there. To see one student share the same passion probably gets them up in the morning.

"men never read books"

keep trying shills

>>24497853 (OP)
Boys don't read because:

>more than half of all boys in America on average have a seventh grade reading level, and have an IQ below 98
>America is anti-intellectual (the rich want to keep you down, and le bucket of crabs) and boys and girls will shame boys who read, regardless of their core interests
>young women are drawn to text when it comes to intimacy, while young men are drawn to visuals: the death of comics and pulp fiction hurt young men in the long run
>stranger danger/serial killers and 9/11 have made it impossible for boys to go outside and adventure which is how boys fell in love with adventure fiction (now they play video games)
>the classics and high IQ literature pushed towards boys either intimidates boys who can't read faster/comprehend the nuance or isn't relevant to their interests

>>24498964
>there's nothing worth saving about the modern world
In my experience guys like you who have these thoughts don't do any physical activity. They spend too much of their time sitting around "thinking" and little to no time actually doing. I suggest you join a gym or a club or a bowling league or something.

>>24498887
Which work by Hesse?

>>24498427
Winston is actually confronted with his amorality at the end of the book. The fact he's willing to do horrendous things while being le good guy rebel is one of Orwell's critiques of partisans.

>>24497863
looking back this was also true lmao

>>24498401
Most guys don't self-insert as rapists either, what's your point?

RETVRN TO TRADITION

>>24497872
>boys didn't read when I was a kid, either.
Not to my recollection, but I went to private school where the kids took academic pursuits such as reading rather seriously.

>>24499386
it comes down to if your parents are readers/have a bookshelf. Most have an ipad and 7 streaming subs.

the midwits who didn't get to read great books in middle school are convinced everyone else wasn't reading either. Things used to be better but you missed out sorry

I'll give you an example of why I stopped reading, and I blame fucking Accelerated Reader in elementary school for it

>AR is implemented in schools and determines your reading level, with books in the library being labeled to match you
>this alienates average children from reading bigger books as it reinforces them to "stay in your zone" while pushing gifted kids to read books that their peers aren't interested in
>AR is then made into a competition: if X many kids read Y many books, then you get a pizza party or fucking baseball tickets
>the kids then blitz through dozens if not hundreds of books, and burn out because of it
>AR isn't included for middle school or high school which means any momentum towards reading actively dies at the age of 12 or 13

>>24499399
>>the kids then blitz through dozens if not hundreds of books
This is what I found to be the fundamental problem was there was a focus on reading X amount of books in a period of time rather than focusing on quality over quantity. I remember having some teachers suspicious of my reading speed because I would choose substantially longer books than my peers.

>>24497853 (OP)
Men read, they just don’t post about it on social media.

>>24499405
My brother read around 1k books by the time we exited 6th grade. I read around half.

Now he doesn't read at all. I try to get some reading done (a few books a month) but never as much as I did as a kid.

>>24499421
There are books that you can read in a couple hours, and there are books that take like 2 months. "Number of books" is not a good metric.

>>24497874
draco stepped on harry when he was invisible thats all also most men dont fight fair

>>24497863
The way God intended.

>>24497872
We had to read in school. Boys and girls both read, and even the non-academic types would read books for fun on occasion. There has been a general decline in reading owing to social media being more engaging. The disparity has to do with women reading erotica and true crime. I don’t really get the big deal; novels mostly take too long to say what they have to say. I liked 1984 but it was basically just a boomerpost from /pol/ about the NWO with a pornographic story around it. In aggregate people have probably never spent so much time reading and writing as they are today.
>t. Haven’t read a book in 2 years.

>>24499356
Projection much?
Talk a whole lot of nothing basing on your own thoughts. It doesn't take physical activities to understand that humanity is withering in this very moment - the more I work out, the more I hike, the more I walk, I am reminded by what could have been if it were not for post-modernity and Jews desecrating the world.
It's so over, so we will destroy this world. Rape this world. Like the true Nietzsche Lion.

>>24498852
>He’s basing his child’s extracurricular education off some low-effort post from /lit/
That kid is going to have it rough.

>>24499584
speaking of draco what did this chick mean by 2twindracos isn't that like 4 dracos that's a lot of dracos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAJlUa78y5M

>>24497863
Girls should be taught by men, just as much as boys and women should be.

>>24498964
Then you failed. You prolonged our suffering. Should’ve stuffed ballots for Biden/Harris better.

>>24498401
Portraying a rapist murderer with a male is stereotypical.

>>24499620
It's at least a mid-effort post, close to high. The plan is to start the little one on babylit covers of the classics so that the real ones aren't intimidating when he comes of age to read them.

>>24499399
I also remember the SRI tests which were not remotely helpful because they didn't even show you the definitions for the words you got wrong. At a certain point, you're just a 12 year old answering GRE questions and then it shat out a number that said "wow, you're not retarded" without suggesting any reading.

>>24497872
unfortunately for /lit/, most people who read are either women reading what is basically porn (romance novels) or normies shoveling slop. Unfortunately now that we have tiktok and reels, the number of book sales have gone down considerably.

Reading was always a niche hobby. There have been times when I've wished it wasn't, esp. among men, but I don't hold that opinion anymore. I prefer to be an elite.

>>24499399
>people actually cared about that
What? Maybe I got lucky with my school but I can't imagine anyone I knew caring about that kind of thing

>>24497872
The decreasing numbers of reading as a hobby is well noted. Sure life wasn’t a Rockwell painting all the time but its a verifiable trend.

Animorphs got me through later grade school. Can’t imagine anything like that is largely presented by the DoE anymore to get boys to consider literary involvement

>>24498282
When we tried to educate the masses it led to mass movements like nationalism and socialism and after the great war (which was at high point of these mass movements) fascism, which led to another war.
Ignorance is bliss.

>>24497863
I can remember several books I read in school that had women characters, some even MCs. Maybe not for highbrow literature, but it's not like girls are going to be reading that anyway.

>>24499751
>babylit covers
maybe you should just stay out of the way

>>24497872
I read in school and people thought it was weird. I read in university and I’m the only one. Including women. People will walk up to me and talk about what I’m reading and why, it’s bizarre. Remember that Bill Hicks bit about “whatcha readin fer?” That’s what it feels like.

>>24498326
fuck you, Semite nigger! I am sick to fucking death of Christcucks taking credit for shit that was achieved by white Europeans IN SPITE of Christianity.

>(stuff like he admired the fierceness and independence of female character rather than her boobs)
Always astonished by this type of subhuman troglodyte existence. "Admiring boobs" was the farthest thing from my mind at age 10, my whole life boiled down to browser games, playing Angels Online with my friends and reading fantasy book slop. If any of the other boys talked about boobs, it was only because they were emulating their trashy dads or parroting lines from the latest Hollywood trash, which at the time was American Pie.
Even as an extremely horny teen I couldn't comprehend how one could reach a state of utter stupefaction by just seeing boobs or a naked woman.

>>24500123
why are you gay, m8?

>>24500125
"Why are you gay" guys like you are the Marvel slop consoomers of eroticism. Basedjacking at the sight of the first banality you encounter.

>>24500130
In awe at the jannies expanding the s ο y word filter to include various combinations of atypical characters as well. Just the kind of improvement this website needed.

>>24500130
ok, faggot.

>>24497853 (OP)
men don't read *books* because it's a dying medium, just like people don't go to movie theaters, they watch streaming services

>>24497853 (OP)
We only read books written by men here and they still don't read

>>24497853 (OP)
What does he read at home?

>>24497853 (OP)
Listen, faggot. If you like literature, go read it yourself. It's not a social event.
Even if every book from now on was foid romantasy slop, you have several millenia of good books to read. Stop incelposting and read a fucking book instead

>>24497872
>it was never like that

>>24500290
>reading the Bible without an anointed priest of the Holy Mother Church to interpret and guide them
NGMI

>>24497853 (OP)
How is your nephew not being a gooner who can appreciate traits in women other than their tits a problem— Especially in 4th grade?

>>24500123
>too smart to be aroused by a woman

I had a friend who couldn't get any so he acted like he was above it and that sex was for mere mortals.

reading doesn't get you pussy or money. it doesn't even teach you anything, most of it is delusions of the author. only use of book reading is having fun and that seems trivial when video games exist.

>>24500290
>tfw you never got to see the class retard wear the hat

>>24497853 (OP)
>try popular fantasy series
>it's cuckshit more often than not

>>24498755
>reading books is nerd shit for feminine men
This is pure cope. Hit the gym, read books, fuck bitches (or be a Chad monk). That's the way.

>>24498755
trvke

>>24498614
Call of the Wild is so good I still recall it fondly after reading it once fifteen years ago. I need to read it again sometime.

>>24497853 (OP)
There was a new article on the NYT about why men don't read novels.

They interviewed an executive of one of those companies. He started a book club for men.
The first book was about "contemporary masculinity" and he had a panic attack after reading it.
I wonder why those executives can't get normal men to read novels. It is a mystery.

>>24500773
oh shit that sounds hilarious to laugh at can u post us up an archive link lmao sometimes i wonder if the nyt is really a trolling outfit like the babylon bee and they're just fuckin with us or do all these ivy league journalists are experts really be this stupid lmao

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/25/style/fiction-books-men-reading.html

>>24500785
>real men ... can share their feelings
>has a panic attack
>Mr Israel

I swear AI is writing this shit. There's a Nazi Antarctic base that pumps out mainstream media articles as a joke.

>>24500785
lmao dude

Would you agree with the point of view of our gatekeeper?

>>24500790
also look up the book he assigned, it's a bunch of stories by some macho black dude who gets a ton of pussy while also being oppressed by racists

>>24498887
Nobody in the real world says oneitis I have no clue where this word came from I am assuming youths needed to learn it for the SATs but I dare anyone to show me any tv show or movie that says oneitis. It’s just a thing that’s annoying to me because it’s said occasionally only on 4chan and it’s freaking me out because it’s feeling like a alien or something from the cia trigger word to assassinate Trump.


Also you are supposed to have crushes on girls your age motherfucker stop worrying about it unless wizard status but I would have had teacher as a side chick.

>>24500107
You say to a Catholic artist paid for by Catholic money for the services of Catholic people.

>>24500803
It's a symptom, not a cause. Men aren't reading because reading the classics doesn't actually get you anything anymore. Nobody cares that you read the Aeneid, especially not women, and the society (I won't say "culture") we live in is actively discarding anything that isn't exploitable for quick and reliable dopamine.

>>24500360
That’s literally me

>>24498852
Look up reading lists from homeschooling curriculum. Robinson curriculum, Charlotte Mason, The Good and the Beautiful, Sonlight, Abeka. Mensa has a good children's list too. Buy a Kindle Paperwhite to load most from Gutenberg or Standard Ebooks. It's hard to go wrong of you stick with public domain books (>1930 or so). Keep kids away from screens as much as possible let them go to books for entertainment. Audiobooks for early years, check out librivox for free public domain stuff.

>>24497853 (OP)
>men don't read much, and when they do, it's either genre slop or pop-philosophy slop (Camus, Marcus Aurelius)
>women read, but it's either the aforementioned genre slop or smut
Nothing's really changed, mass-literacy is very recent and all those literate eras had normies reading shitty books too (we just don't know about them because nobody remembers them). This is a nothingburger of a problem

>>24497853 (OP)
What are we counting as reading? When someone says, "I read books." your mind immediately thinks of classic literature, of Homer, Shakespeare, Dostoevsky, etc. 99% of women who read only read porn and power fantasy slop. At that point, saying that women read and men don't means nothing. This is the same thing as saying more women get college degrees than men, it means nothing because women get utter meme degrees at obscene rates.

>>24500978
I don't understand why people are impressed by Aurelius. His Meditations are very entry-level. It's not as though he's an instructor trying to make shit clear to the average dumbass either.

>>24501006
>women get utter meme degrees at obscene rates.

>>24501025
This shit is utterly pathetic in every sense of the word. The situation is disgraceful, and I feel deep sadness that things have gotten so bad that
>if you dance for 90 min, you pass
is even considered an acceptable substitute for even basic academic effort. Rather than let this girl debase herself in peace, the girl (I assume) with the camera returns to continue verifying this literal humiliation ritual so she can post it online for social clout.
It's like everything wrong with American academics compiled into one disgusting punchline.

>>24497863
>Girls in school
This was a mistake in general, little girls should be learning homemaking

>>24498240
I yawned just reading this post. This would be an excellent way to get 16 year olds to hate stuffy old philosophizing.

>>24498326
Look up the Jefferson Bible. There are some redeeming features to Christianity, but there is a lot of chaff that needs to be removed.

>>24497853 (OP)
>I couldn't identify with any of the character
When blacks say they can't identify with any of the characters in Flaubert you faggots have an aneurysm about the universality of sublime art but when you have to read a book by a woman you're suddenly shitting yourselves because there's no one you can "relate to" Christ you people are retarded lmao. Do you even hear yourselves speak

>>24498401
>it has the protagonist fantasising about raping a chaste woman to death
You just described the vast majority of the most popular books among women.

>>24498614
>>24500762
Jack London's novel "The Call of the Wild" is perhaps one of the most abhorrent little works ever to be put to the page. London's rapacious blood lust is insatiable, his greed for suffering grotesque. In a twisted mirror of theology, any good or benevolence to be found in this little book exists purely to accentuate and amplify the horrors waiting in store. His selection of a domesticated canine living in the lap of luxury, awash in innocence is a cheap and hucksterish ploy to capture the attention of an oblivious audience before subjecting them to an onslaught of masochism, luring unsuspecting innocents like lambs to the grisly slaughter. Like some unearthly vampiric entity, London's soul continues to thirst for fresh blood, and each new set of eyes which fall upon his vile words represent virgin flesh waiting to be torn asunder by him, their contents drunk greedily by his inhuman spirit. With each generation who read this work, who breathe life afresh into the graphic, nay, PORNOGRAPHIC descriptions of the bloody sufferings of the main character, Buck, London's grave is soaked anew in fresh offerings, the ground, like a bottomless well, always able to accept the new torrent. Thus, I shall cast myself in the roll of Van Helsing and drive a stake through the heart of this dead but still powerful ghoul. "I damn thee and thy sick machinations down to hell, that they may never work their devilish influence on another of God's blessed children who walk in the light of the sun and seek comfort and good society among men!" In short, I did not care for the novel.

>>24501094
Shit taste

>>24501025
>>24501047
Seriously, there needs to be review for this kind of thing. If a student's submitted work is consistently below passing, and they are passed anyway, the professor should be harshly punished.

>>24501099
Learn some humor, chud

>>24501107
Shan't.

WHY AREN'T MEN READING WEREWOLF PORN LIKE WOMEN ARE?!
>Cuz the werewolves aren't cute little girls.

>>24497853 (OP)
18M and very into literature, the usual /lit/core, classics etc. Worked through a hundred or so over the last couple years. Big mistake. Being the only person into this stuff is unbelievably isolating. The best I can glean from others is the hunger games or harry potter or some shit

>>24497853 (OP)
Oh look, this thread again

>>24499359
I don't remember what it was specifically, sometime around that age I went through most of his English-translated works so it could have been anything.

>>24500853
>I have no clue where this word came from
It's been commonly used on 4chan for at least half a decade at this point. You know there's a huge amount of internet-exclusive slang, right?

I'm not worrying about anything, just recognizing that the girl I was with at the time ended up being a turbo slut who was fucking at least two other guys besides me and my life probably would have gone in a completely different direction if I'd had a literary milf gf mentor after graduating high school.

>>24501047
>>24501103
It's been a very long time since most post-secondary education has been about anything except making money for the institutions themselves. If you fail your students too many times, they may just drop out and then you're not getting paid. Financially, passing everyone makes good sense. It might lower a school's standing in the long run but when most other schools are doing the same thing, no one notices or cares.

>>24498614
Based horace walpole bro

>>24501088
That would be a good point if their were ANY characters they related to. Unfortunately 89% can't read past a 3rd grade level so there will never be a character they identify with.

>>24499391
>it comes down to if your parents are readers/have a bookshelf. Most have an ipad and 7 streaming subs.
Tbh this feels like it's more genetic than anything else. Whether or not a kid's parents stick them in front of a screen is a reflection of their nature which is passed onto the kid.
Obviously they'd turn out differently under other circumstances, but the impulse towards that kind of parenting behaviour would remain, even if it just manifests itself in other areas of life

>>24497863
>no u

>>24501007
Stoicism appeals to people who think basic impulse control is revolutionary knowledge. I'll admit that I loved Meditations as a teenager, but once you grow up and learn to not be an overemotional retard, there's nothing to be gained from stoicslop.

>>24501240
Often the most effective way to deal with a retard is to hold a mirror to their face so they can see the slobber dripping out of their open mouth as they type on MY glorious /lit/erature board about inane shit ONLY A FUCKING DUMB NIGGER WOULD BE THINKING ABOUT

>>24500853
?

>>24498852
Some of those recommendations are good, however you may not want to give your kid books about greek pederastic love which is what Phaedrus and Symposium are lmao. Socrates gets a boner and flirts with a young man in Phaedrus, I'm not joking.

>>24500958
Thanks anon, appreciate the recommendations. No need for a kindle, we have a home library of probably 1500 volumes or so, including a lot of pre-1930s books (and even some children's lit for when he gets to be of age).

>>24501286
I took some of the Plato suggestions as tongue-in-cheek. That said I'd have the little one read Lewis' (referenced in the Narnia books) "The Four Loves" before I would have him read Phaedrus.

>>24501248
>poster on the literature board utterly fails at basic reading comprehension
Many such cases!

The thing that is "entry-level" is not Stoicism itself but Aurelius' presentation of it, which is understandable considering that he was writing only for himself. If you "loved" Meditations but never bothered to read works by any actual Stoic philosophers then you're the most basic of basic bitches.

>>24501088
Yes, that's the issue. People have a basic empathy problem and will typically gravitate towards books they can self-insert into. This is especially the case with kids who are emotionally underdeveloped, which is why liberals have kind of a point when they say that there needs to be a more expansive "canon" for teachers to chose from. The problem is the nu-books they chose are typically anti-White slop. None of the classics about minorities and women

Only at miller grove ahh thread bruh fuck is you all talkin about

>>24500785
Chosenbros wtf is this

>>24501025
There’s nothing wrong with this

>>24501329
The entirety of stoicism reduces to one big appeal to nature fallacy.

>>24501504
Justify it.

>>24501504
>get scammed into a six figure debt for a BA in upper middle class retardation
cant stop winning

>>24501329
>poster on the literature board utterly fails at basic reading comprehension
You said you don't understand why people are impressed by Aurelius, I explained why: retards love stoicism because they think basic impulse control is profound, that's why your average bookstore stocks shelves full of stoic bullshit while neglecting worthwhile philosophy.
>The thing that is "entry-level" is not Stoicism itself but Aurelius' presentation of it
It's all entry level, go try to read something more advanced than braindead pagan nature-worship, like Colleen Hoover or The Very Hungry Caterpillar.

>>24500859
a.) the statue of David was made by a white European. Europeans made Christianity great, not the other way around.

b.) Christianity was the dominant political power at that time. If a millionaire of protestant ancestry in the United States commissioned me to design a building that would not make me or him a protestant.

c.) The statue of David was made in a classical pre-Christian style therefore it is Christian in name only.

d.) you are disingenuous and will deny any evidence that contradicts your propaganda.

I guarantee men are reading, because I am, my friends are, I see men in bookstores all the time
What's happening is that men are just enjoying something instead of being performative about it, and of course in this modern world if you don't post about it then it didn't happen

>>24501075
Because you're in a state of vice, virtue sounds arduous and boring to you. Homer, Virgil, Beowulf, Dante, Milton, etc. are definitely not boring though, and neither is Plato. Some of the supporting stuff is dry, but if it is delivered with the literature I see no problem here. Likewise, modern stuff like Narnia and LOTR is only boring if you've had your brain fried by electronic media and being bombarded with porn and constant gratification from grace school.

Millennia of students found Virgil and Ovid interesting though.

Actually, I think it's vidya, Hollywood, Tik Tok, etc. that leads to boredom. The kids who are most sucked into this stuff complain about being bored the most because they need constant stimulation. They can't spend a day enjoying Homer and be fine with just that.

>>24501917
>only boring if you've had your brain fried by electronic media and being bombarded with porn and constant gratification from grace school.
What if this is me but I'm self-aware and want to change? That's one of the biggest things about reading books like these, I notice how fucked my brain is because I can recognize it as being good yet derive little pleasure from it. I would like to re-read LOTR again sometime in a better state of mind. Maybe if I just detached myself from computers and porn use it'd fix it. Even abstaining from porn only goes so far for me, and I nearly always relapse into it or some other stimulation-seeking behavior.

>>24498465
>>24498556
"Hatred of women" has never existed at a cultural level. Stop falling for the founding myth of the Gay Race Communism world order.

>>24501969
Would you say that there is a culture of hatred of men today, because men are limited from hiring and don't get custody in court? It used to be that way for women, and worse.

Men are too foolish to like reading, men only like to drink beer and wrestle and call each other bro. Women are not much smarter but they occassionally feel like there more to life

>>24501934
Ascetic discipline. That's what all the old sages recommended. Fasting, vigils, labor, contemplation, and prayer.

Now, some classics are also good for listening. The Iliad and Beowulf for instance, so a long walk or run listening might be a good bridge step.

It's also helpful to have some secondary source background. The Modern Scholar and Great Courses tend to be decent. Both are good for Dante and worth reading. The guy who does the Modern Scholar stuff for Dante also has good stuff on Homer and Germanic literature (which is currently free on Audible). YouTube is more hit or miss unfortunately. Modern Scholar also got Harold Bloom for Shakespeare but it actually isn't that great lol.

>>24502057
Fasting is actually pretty good if you wanna unplug from the Internet

>>24501934
Stop doing things you know are bad. Start doing things you know are good.

>I would like to re-read LOTR again sometime in a better state of mind

Just do it. It is words on a page. You could be reading those words right now.

Honestly, I find it hard to understand or relate to the whole concept of muh brainrot and internet addiction. What are you doing on the internet that is so interesting? This shit is boring as fuck. I can't stand it here for very long. Reading a good book is more enjoyable.

>>24502074
Some young people have genuinely shot their attention span. They hate it here too but somehow they are addicted despite not finding it fun anymore.
I think in the future it may be considered abusive to let your kid have access to an ipad before age sixteen

>>24502080
>they are addicted despite not finding it fun anymore.

But like... how? If it isn't fun, why would you keep doing it instead of finding something else that is fun? Am I so out of touch?

No, it's the children who are wrong.

>>24502090
its not rational
you wouldnt get it unless you experienced it
it sneaks up on you

>>24502090
Without having been addicted to something, it's rather difficult to understand what addiction feels like, but imagine a constant compulsion into an act where even a minor lapse of discipline will send you spiraling back into repeating it over and over. Now imagine you don't even have the discipline to stop because you don't understand why it's bad or you never built that discipline.

>check out lit
>endless gendered seething barely tangential to literature

>>24497853 (OP)
>Is this the reason why boys/men won't read
It's something about the ZOG- Rothschild globalist liberal capitalist culture. Man as physical worker is in no condition to engage with books, this accentuated after the widespread adoption of television. Leisure for men ended at this.
As many anons have pointed out, males not reading is not a recent occurence. Back in HS i'd take books from the school library, old and great novels which of course weren't assigned, and at the back were small papers with the students to which the books had been lent to before. For almost all of them there were just female names written there. I felt out of place always being the only male in those lists, but I certainly had the belief about reading as intrinsically female from BEFORE I experienced this. Where does it come from? Likely schooling, which on its own is an invention of the globalized Capitalist world. Boys ought to become future workers, not sensitive critics.