/wng/ Web Novel General - /lit/ (#24528474) [Archived: 416 hours ago]

Anonymous
7/7/2025, 7:32:21 AM No.24528474
21220-mother-of-learning
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"Repetition is the mother of all learning" edition

>What is Web Novel General?
A general for readers and authors involved or interested in the growing phenomenon of 'web novels', serialized English fiction posted to websites such as: Royalroad, Webnovel, Scribblehub, Wattpad, Archive of Our Own, Spacebattles, HFY, various personal author websites, and more

>Why read web novels?
Not for prose or tight editing or deep themes, frankly. As a whole, web novels are infamous for content sprawl and pacing issues. If you enjoy having millions of words to sink your teeth into to get to know the world and characters, though, you may be interested. Keeping up with other readers on a weekly basis to discuss the story's events unfolding is another perk, in the same way discussing an ongoing TV show might be.

>Why write web novels?
Ease of access & potential for Patreon earnings. Many successful authors gain an audience on their website of choice and funnel their readers into a Patreon. See https://graphtreon.com/top-patreon-creators/writing for an idea of what some are earning.
Also, once an author has earned a fanbase, transitioning into an Amazon self-publishing career is several orders of magnitude easier than starting 'dry'.

> Advice for Noobs!

Running your story like the business it is:
https://www.royalroad.com/forums/thread/116847

On writing webserials:
https://alexanderwales.com/how-to-write-a-web-serial/

Sanderson's Writing lectures 2025:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEUh_y1IFZY&list=PLSH_xM-KC3ZvzkfVo_Dls0B5GiE2oMcLY [Embed]

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Anonymous
7/7/2025, 7:38:22 AM No.24528478
/tv/ here
Where do the rest of you guys come from?
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Anonymous
7/7/2025, 7:39:07 AM No.24528479
Have you done your little wordy-word pushups today, anon? Studied your craft, perhaps? Read your pages like a good little writer? Be honest now, or I’m afraid we’ll have to check your browser history.
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 7:40:47 AM No.24528482
>>24528478
Technically /lit/ would be the answer, but if you're asking what shithole, I bleed my eyes with. /pol/ and /x/
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 7:53:12 AM No.24528493
>>24528478
/tg/ and /qst/

to that anon who remarked SH is a good place to get comments from
where are my comments?
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Anonymous
7/7/2025, 8:08:48 AM No.24528513
Because I'm slopping all day.
Slopping all night.
Oh yeah slopping.
Makes me feel alright.
I'm slopping for momma I'm slopping for pappa.
My slop goes down just like no other.
If you're slopping too I'll call you my brother.
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 8:16:30 AM No.24528527
file
file
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Post em, I dare you.
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Anonymous
7/7/2025, 8:21:14 AM No.24528534
>>24528527
i'm at 820 now, the highest I ever got was 530 or so. Really wanted to break into the top 500. Probably could have if I knew I was supposed to cry to the site admins about 0.5 ratings.
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Anonymous
7/7/2025, 8:22:38 AM No.24528537
>>24528534
You can do that?
holy shit
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Anonymous
7/7/2025, 8:26:46 AM No.24528540
>>24528537
apparently yeah since the admins can see reading history they know if you read 1 chapter and instantly bombed something and can remove it. However reading history is only saved for 6 months so if you wait too long you lose the opportunity.
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 8:33:32 AM No.24528547
>>24528474 (OP)
Can some of you losers post your stories, I'm bored and want something to read.
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Anonymous
7/7/2025, 8:42:18 AM No.24528553
>>24528547
https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/this-middling-young-master-will-comprehend-dao-and-plunder-legacies.1237343/
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/120258/this-middling-young-master-will-comprehend-dao
https://www.scribblehub.com/read/1706872-this-middling-young-master-will-comprehend-dao-and-plunder-legacies/chapter/1706878/

boost my shit nigga
i need comments and reviews if you care
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Anonymous
7/7/2025, 9:09:23 AM No.24528578
>>24528553
>no webnovel link
ngmi
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Anonymous
7/7/2025, 9:10:49 AM No.24528580
>>24528578
>webnovel
absolute cancer
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 9:11:50 AM No.24528581
>>24528578
spacebattles is where the writers i admire congregate and my most successful so far
royalroad could give me money
i am starting to suspect that anon who said scribblehub has an active comment section is a shill
what does webnovel have to offer?
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Anonymous
7/7/2025, 9:17:52 AM No.24528590
>>24528581
>>24528578
webnovel is actively injurious to your writing
posting there gives them rights to call your shit their shit
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 9:21:17 AM No.24528593
>>24528581
>spacebattles
horrible patreon conversion. nearly 0.1% at best. $50 a month at best even if good.

>royalroad
decent but need's right timing and push. high quality writing is needed but is forgiving with upload frequency if proven to be good. still need at least once a week or twice a week upload rate to succeed. 5-10% patreon conversion at best but good enough.

$25k is possible but by $10-15k, you should host it on your own as other successful authors of that level do and publish through amazon on your own or with a reputable online pub company.

>webnovel
absolute bottom of the barrel sloppa but many eyes. high subscription rate in their contracts. needs daily uploads since adhd++ readers need progress and less quality.

no patreon but has a 30% share in all profits on story. relies more on subscribers, donations make 1% of the total profit. $120k is possible but that's only with a combined audiobook partnership they have for 700+ chapter stories.
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Anonymous
7/7/2025, 9:22:58 AM No.24528598
>>24528593
>scribblehub
just as bad as spacebattles. nuff said.
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 9:32:02 AM No.24528601
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It's been a month since I published my first chapter. What do you think of my stats? (Remember I had a terrible cover at first, and now I’m a rising star!)

> > > 24527564
I'm planning to read the rest of the volume after I finish publishing mine. Get ready.
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Anonymous
7/7/2025, 9:56:25 AM No.24528619
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>>24528474 (OP)
Think I came up with the most boring dialogue imaginable.
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Anonymous
7/7/2025, 10:02:47 AM No.24528626
>>24528581
The concept of reading web novels through the format of forum posts is so weird to me.
But i guess it's popular enough to support at least 3 forums -- spacebattles, sufficientvelocity, questionablequesting... maybe more?

What are the qualities of the quintessential forum web novel that shows up there but not on royalroad? besides the obvious answer of fanfics
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 10:02:48 AM No.24528627
>>24528619
its just okay to me anon, a little emotions would suit it well me thinks
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Anonymous
7/7/2025, 10:07:26 AM No.24528637
>>24528619
>light mode
ngmi. writing is okay tho, nothing good nor bad.
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Anonymous
7/7/2025, 10:07:40 AM No.24528639
>>24528619
Would probably flow a lot better if you just let ridas dump out a paragraph of exposition at a time instead of stopping to let the girl ask another leading question every 1-2 sentences
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Anonymous
7/7/2025, 10:14:42 AM No.24528647
>>24528627
>>24528637
That's a lot more positive than I thought.
>>24528639
I guess, but I feel that would become unnatural.
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Anonymous
7/7/2025, 10:18:17 AM No.24528654
>>24528619
I think some of it is too on-the-nose and you could hide the characters' sentiments a bit better. But maybe that's just how their relationship works?
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Anonymous
7/7/2025, 10:18:48 AM No.24528655
>>24528647
more body language in between dialogues. I need to know if they're ugly or not. I'll jerk it to them either way but I need an image.
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 10:32:33 AM No.24528673
>>24528647
Nothing unnatural about a character speaking for 4-5 sentences in a row, anon. If anything the current state is far more unnatural with Ridas frequently starting to answer a question or explain a point and then just stopping halfway through and waiting for Azubi to drag the rest out of him.

Of course characters shouldn't dump a page of exposition background at a time but they should at least speak in complete ideas.
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Anonymous
7/7/2025, 10:52:54 AM No.24528714
>>24528673
I guess it needs workshopping.
Conveying exposition is an art of its own.
Think bottom of the barrel is "As you know"-type, which character tell information they already know.
The second worst exposition is "Let me explain this to you for no reason."
The best type of exposition one where it is seamless, you don't even realize it is exposition. But everything can't be that.
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 10:54:19 AM No.24528716
>>24528654
Well, what I was going for was Ridas is reluctant to say much, so the answer has to be dragged out of him.
Which wasn't a great idea, because it's bound to sound stiff.
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Anonymous
7/7/2025, 11:03:47 AM No.24528729
Any good dungeon core/master or monster evolution slop you guys would recommend?
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Anonymous
7/7/2025, 11:10:53 AM No.24528734
My hobby project, The Maid is Not Dead resumes today with new chapters. I had to take a hiatus of over a year due to irl issues, which was poison to my following and I got a lot of whining about the abrupt stop, but still write it whenever I have time.
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/90496/the-maid-is-not-dead

I started this mostly for my own mental health. My past stories tended to always turn too grimdark and disturbing and burned me out, so I tried to write something all-ages and tolkienesque for a change, with that innocent joy of exploration and discovery, and where not every character is a twisted asshole. Hope someone else enjoys it too.
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 11:11:39 AM No.24528737
>>24528716
His dialogue is dragged out and truncated but when he does speak, he's still speaking too frankly — again, that might just be his personality/style but to me, I don't feel any intrigue in this exchange. Stiffness isn't the problem if that's the aim but you can make things stiff AND intriguing. Withholding information (for both characters and readers) doesn't need to be about drip-feeding it so matter-of-factly, it can also happen through obfuscation and letting subtext do some of the work.
I can only judge on what you've posted so far but it feels like more or less the same information would have been garnered both in the exchange and by the reader had both characters been telepathic. The words feel really obvious
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 12:42:10 PM No.24528825
Writers in this thread must be delusional, why would anyone read or support your 10 chapter epics?!
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Anonymous
7/7/2025, 1:24:58 PM No.24528879
How lurid can I get before RR pulls the plug?
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 1:30:17 PM No.24528887
>>24528619
Other anons had better criticism, but the phrase
>I truly cannot think of other sources of income.
Felt very artificial and stiff to me.
>>24528729
The cabin is always hungry, great horror moviesque dungeon core story.
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Anonymous
7/7/2025, 1:35:11 PM No.24528892
>>24528825
piggies flock to the slop
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 1:36:34 PM No.24528893
>>24528887
>The cabin is always hungry
Sorry, I stay away from queer authors.
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Anonymous
7/7/2025, 1:37:37 PM No.24528895
Slopkino is the future, by getting in know you'll have an edge.
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Anonymous
7/7/2025, 1:39:09 PM No.24528896
>>24528893
Nah, it's fine, I actually didn't know about that desu.
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 1:43:54 PM No.24528901
>>24528825
Cause it's Kino, and I'm the man who writes it.
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 1:50:00 PM No.24528905
>>24528887
>Felt very artificial and stiff to me.
That's supposed to be formal. I suppose it slashesh with informalities.
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 2:07:40 PM No.24528933
Can I motivate any of you to shoot me so I don't have to rewrite this garbage?
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 3:00:31 PM No.24529008
>>24528601
Congratulations anon, I've been following your posts rather lukewarmly, but I commend the effort to earn a couple reviews on your fiction. Goes to show that anyone can do it with a consistent undertaking to write
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Anonymous
7/7/2025, 4:23:18 PM No.24529163
>>24529008
Thanks...but you know...the way you wrote your post...ahem...implies...
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 4:35:58 PM No.24529196
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>>24528895
What makes something slopkino instead of just slop?
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Anonymous
7/7/2025, 4:46:11 PM No.24529234
>>24529196
I guess it's slop that just fits your tastes so much it is too enjoyable to care if some pretentious twat thinks it's slop. Probably more the kind of slop that has rule of cool shit like giant mechas than generic isekai with a slave harem.
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 4:58:43 PM No.24529259
guh...
guh...
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>>24528581
>>24528493
My story does a lot better in SH than in RR, I don't really know why, tho. (I have 30 comments in SH and 14 in RR)
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Anonymous
7/7/2025, 5:03:13 PM No.24529261
>>24529259
providing dropped statistics is fucked up
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Anonymous
7/7/2025, 5:05:06 PM No.24529265
>>24529261
How do you know...
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 5:07:46 PM No.24529273
>>24529261
I would only take it as relevant for the initial chapters, because it's a probabilistic certainty that the number of users who dropped will overtake active readers the longer a fiction gets
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 5:45:39 PM No.24529323
>>24529261
It's a useful statistic, especially if you can see what chapter they got to before dropping. Like if everyone gets to chapter 20 and drops, you can go back and try to figure out what went wrong there and how to fix it.
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Anonymous
7/7/2025, 7:10:36 PM No.24529440
1296208994668
1296208994668
md5: 2ba3c78456c72c8dffe562fcea04d2f2🔍
>nearly forgot to schedule today's chapter
That was close
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 8:16:42 PM No.24529620
>>24528729
>monster evolution slop
Chrysalis is fun.
I haven't read any great dungeon core stuff since Blue Core though.
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Anonymous
7/7/2025, 8:26:33 PM No.24529628
Planning on dropping slop next week. Homeless skill grinding isekai story. I've had this idea for a while, churn out garbage catering slop to build a audience, while I plan out and slowly push my serious fiction.

You guys think it has meat?
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Anonymous
7/7/2025, 8:27:59 PM No.24529633
>>24529620
>dungeon core stuff
There are so fucking many of these, and their pitches are far more predictable than LitRPGs, even. An average man can read around 684 books 'round his lifetime, so once I read through a novel distinguished by a very tropey-trope, I count all of its sibling works as also having been read.
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Anonymous
7/7/2025, 8:33:01 PM No.24529645
>>24529633
im in my 20s and I've definitely read more than 684 lol
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 8:35:15 PM No.24529648
>>24529628
>You guys think it has meat?
you barely described it anon
execution is everything anyway. the recent biggest rr success was fairly generic, just executed well
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Anonymous
7/7/2025, 8:39:33 PM No.24529655
>>24529628
Inshallah a curse upon anyone who posts barely elevator pitches.
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Anonymous
7/7/2025, 8:40:21 PM No.24529657
gonna write a story with some characters and a power system, maybe a narrative structure

You guys think it had meat?
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 8:41:29 PM No.24529661
Gonna have a story that has events you think it's got potential?
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 8:45:48 PM No.24529671
You guys should stop posting already your novels simply won't survive mine with great characters once it's out there
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 9:10:32 PM No.24529709
My story has a world but the main character is actually from a different world.


The web fiction scene might never be the same again.
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 9:11:37 PM No.24529713
Goddamn you niggas are just straight up butchering this dude now
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Anonymous
7/7/2025, 9:21:15 PM No.24529724
>>24529713
>butchering
he's the one who brought up meat first
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 9:21:39 PM No.24529726
>>24529713
Probably because:
a) It's not really innovative enough to announce
b) Is trying to piggyback on slop to push a "serious fiction"
c) Every adventure protagonist is basically homeless (except if he meant homeless as in hobo)
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Anonymous
7/7/2025, 9:55:04 PM No.24529799
what if I were to write a novel that shamelessly ripped off manyuu hikenchou where a girl with fat tits gains the ability to transfer breast size from others to herself and she uses to solve the breast size-related problems of the world(of which there are many) and her tits just get bigger and bigger as the story goes on. There is never sex so it is ok to post right?
do you think this has the tits?
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Anonymous
7/7/2025, 10:00:04 PM No.24529810
>tfw6 story has turned into flagrant eugenics propaganda
Welp
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 10:44:24 PM No.24529914
>>24528474 (OP)
Are there any "failed writers" in these threads? What I mean are people who tried to write books the normal way but have found in some way or another that it just doesn't work for them? I've found that the structure of webnovels has personally freed me from the problems I had with "normal" writing. Significantly less perfectionism, especially when it comes to singular sentences, a more flowy way of writing, just more writing in general, etc. It's as if I needed this "niche" to get back into writing. Does anyone feel the same?
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 10:45:00 PM No.24529918
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best video i've ever watched on storytelling. no recycled platitudes or banal writing tip clichés. no formulaic structures.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bt3GzQRz5kY

WAGMI
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 10:52:01 PM No.24529938
Screenshot 2025-07-07 at 22-49-05 Dashboard Royal Road
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>>24529648
Look, I was vague on purpose. Part of me’s paranoid someone will steal the idea and clone it before I even get to publish.I hate extrapolating myself, but what I was actually asking was. Is homelessness enough of a twist to justify fully committing to slopRPG?

I hate extrapolating myself, but what I was actually asking was:
Do you think homelessness is enough of a twist to justify fully committing to a slopRPG?Not in the usual "wandering bastard gets dropped into a ruin and turns into a god" kind of way.More like: the MC is forced off the grid, has a punitive sentence placed on him, is basically an illegal alien trapped in a city-state, survives off scrap, and has to work his way up from literal nothing.

Dumb title: I was reincarnated as homeless man, after dying to the dark lord, and city inquisition is after my guts.
Real title: Is Homeless Delver [something something progression fantasy]

I'm already several chapters into it.


>>24529655
Mashallah, kafir. A curse upon those who can't read between the lines. May their drafts rot in Jahannam.

>>24529726
I’m piggybacking on Rising Stars follower boosts, what’s wrong with using slop to build momentum? Everyone who writes to “market” is a disingenuous bastard anyway. So why pretend otherwise? I guess I have tried piggybacking for atleast a year. I'm a failure, according to the webnovel subcultural idea of success. Wtf do I have to lose.
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Anonymous
7/7/2025, 10:55:03 PM No.24529948
>>24529938
>Part of me’s paranoid someone will steal the idea and clone it before I even get to publish.
NGMI.
You're in the unproductive midwit era of your career where you're somewhat creative but too abhorrently incompetent and poorly read to understand just how irrelevant ideas are.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/dileeprao/2017/01/24/first-movers-seldom-win-first-dominators-mainly-do/?sh=e9a94af19a12
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Anonymous
7/7/2025, 10:56:41 PM No.24529953
>>24529938
homelessness is your USP?
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 11:00:50 PM No.24529970
>>24529938
I was just giving reasons for why anons were clowning on you, some anons write slop for the sake of slop and get upset when someone is trying to write just for success.
But let's not dwell into that lest the thread gets derailed again.
>I guess I have tried piggybacking for atleast a year. I'm a failure, according to the webnovel subcultural idea of success. Wtf do I have to lose.
Those stats aren't too shabby (also I recognize them btw), write what you want to write, your readers will notice when you write something for the market, don't be the web version of a potboiler.
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 11:00:52 PM No.24529971
>>24529948
anon is coming in a bit hot here but
>just how irrelevant ideas are
is absolutely true. again the major success on RR right now that broke patreon records is literally generic sloppa, almost nothing special about it. the most lukewarm middle-of-the-pack premise ever seen
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 11:32:23 PM No.24530055
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Reposting here:

Do you guys think we can have a writefag coup on /lit/ and kick out most of the bookfags from the catalogue?
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Anonymous
7/7/2025, 11:36:18 PM No.24530066
but then who will read what I write? Other authors who are worse at writing than I am?
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 11:39:31 PM No.24530072
>>24529799
I would instead go with a reddit mod that gets isekaied. They/Them wake up in a dungeon out of meat with german shepard arms. Thems bickering all the time and try to eat they as soon as they falls asleep so they must build an armor out of meat everyday so them don't eat.
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Anonymous
7/8/2025, 12:00:05 AM No.24530106
>>24530072
where are the breasts in your story
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 12:00:41 AM No.24530108
>>24529938
>Do you think homelessness is enough of a twist to justify fully committing to a slopRPG?
Explain to me how homelessness is a twist, how you're going to incorporate it, what the character arc is, and how it relates to "homelessness" in real life. Because if you can't tap into that last part, you're just writing a standard murderhobo.

I suspect you have the media-pushed view of homelessness: down on their luck or mentally ill people who just need help, and they'll stop loitering and living in piles of trash. The truth is very different, and if you aren't approaching it from a true perspective, it's going to fall flat OR be seen as derivative as you swing too close to standard adventurer/murderhobo character setting.

There's a reason there's no great "homeless man" novel. It's because real life homeless people don't do shit, and the best among that class of people work and stop being homeless as fast as they can.
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Anonymous
7/8/2025, 12:02:03 AM No.24530111
>>24529799
>do you think this has the tits?
Maybe, it has potential to grow
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 12:58:42 AM No.24530221
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>>24528547
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/117925/the-yellow-typhoon-and-the-final-waltz

>>24528527
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 1:02:42 AM No.24530233
Zorian Kasinski THE CHAD
Zorian Kasinski THE CHAD
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>>24528474 (OP)
Fucking good, probably one of the best novels ever made. A successful Re:Zero if you will.
Based Zorian CHADS
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 1:19:50 AM No.24530275
>>24529655
you mean mashallah
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 1:21:21 AM No.24530279
>>24530055
Any fag who writes most certainly won't spend his time in pursuit of such inane procrivities instead of writing more
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 3:03:14 AM No.24530512
>>24528474 (OP)
Does RR support first line intend?
Replies: >>24531053
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 4:20:27 AM No.24530689
>>24528474 (OP)
I have posted my stuff on /r/destructivereaders, and I seem to always be trying to get the same feedback from the same people.
That's because people there have to review other people's work with certain word count so they can post their own, which results in sort of bullshit critique.
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 8:26:37 AM No.24531053
>>24530512
Do not fucking indent web texts.
Replies: >>24531065
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 8:44:38 AM No.24531065
300px-PKC_(BD)
300px-PKC_(BD)
md5: 3939307a9f442243eec856ab495362c9🔍
>>24531053
why not?
Replies: >>24531073
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 8:51:41 AM No.24531073
>>24531065
NTA but you only need first line indents when you don't have spaces between paragraphs. Spaces between paragraphs usually come as standard with most web browser layouts and how text is displayed. You only ever need one or the other — never both.
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 11:02:32 AM No.24531249
1000062747
1000062747
md5: f8e9a6df2343947abc8533cbefaddfed🔍
>>24528527
Happy with the views and follower growth, but I need them dang ratings.

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/118792/shattered-pantheon
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 12:29:15 PM No.24531344
The most successful web novel authors probably don't read web novels and just peddle their elite high-earning slop with zero love for the web novel scene itself as a fan.

Source: this truth was revealed to me in a dream
Replies: >>24531347 >>24532383
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 12:30:37 PM No.24531347
>>24531344
If that was true, then the most successful web novels would not be written so poorly
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 12:34:51 PM No.24531354
uh oh
uh oh
md5: a6a109e073593f25c4959acf8e216480🔍
Just got to 20k words of my top slop
80k to go until I bother publishing it because my writing schedule is nonexistent.
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 12:37:30 PM No.24531359
>>24528474 (OP)
Do I need an overarching plot?
Can't I just write an episodic chapter about daily life?
Replies: >>24531372 >>24533930
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 12:50:43 PM No.24531372
>>24531359
>Do I need
>Can't I just
everything about your thought process is wrong and that's even before considering the exact contents of these questions
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 1:48:17 PM No.24531428
IMG_20250613_175350_871
IMG_20250613_175350_871
md5: 8f2a6c9f28f5a652a5bd1d1956327b73🔍
Writer anons, I thought about a fun and productive game (first you got to reply to this post to set your time window) where we reply 24 hours later with a report and reaction image based on how close we were to achieving the elected word count. That said, you can set your own goal, but it's more fun if everyone's on the same challenge. Since we're still testing, let's begin with something manageable for most:

>word count goal: 1000 words
Replies: >>24531437 >>24531445 >>24531453 >>24531562 >>24532081 >>24533884
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 1:55:35 PM No.24531437
>>24531428
hol up just to clarify for everyone
>reply to start timer
>write your slop
>24 hours later report on how many words written?
Replies: >>24531442 >>24531445
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 1:58:32 PM No.24531442
images - 2025-07-08T085805.836
images - 2025-07-08T085805.836
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>>24531437
You got this.
Replies: >>24531445
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 2:00:22 PM No.24531445
Kiryu_sleeping[sound=files.catbox.moe%2F1qqdmy.mp3]
Kiryu_sleeping[sound=files.catbox.moe%2F1qqdmy.mp3]
md5: 51389731c6f56d935c6efb8d6fb741b4🔍
>>24531428
>>24531442
>>24531437
alright start the timer
good night anons
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 2:12:38 PM No.24531453
>>24531428
still outlining ;_;
but good luck to the anons who are participating
Replies: >>24532077
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 3:24:43 PM No.24531562
GvJXLvrW0AAbROt
GvJXLvrW0AAbROt
md5: 55ce458264b23ed70c46677b9b8b7c11🔍
>>24531428
No word count but I'm going to finish my current chapter tonight, so about 1000 words give or take some hundred.
Replies: >>24531760 >>24534089
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 3:49:03 PM No.24531589
Hmm, is chatgpt actually good for weird world building stuff that takes hours to figure out otherwise? I just had an idea that I wanted to brew beer from ants and asked it how to in a low fantasy world and the process for it and that it should be "realistic".
Replies: >>24531606 >>24531712 >>24531755 >>24531771
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 4:06:06 PM No.24531606
>>24531589
I tried to be realistic at first with my story but found it incredibly limiting and time consuming. I felt much better writing once I let go of my insistence on realism and just embraced "it's magic that's how it works in this story" fully.

Just say the ant species in your fantasy novel have carbohydrates that can be fermented, and then ignore the fact that by sheer biomass it would be hard to cultivate ants because they're tiny and not actually that numerous compared to grain yields from a similar sized plot of land.
Replies: >>24533941
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 4:55:09 PM No.24531712
>>24531589
Why does it have to be brewed FROM ants? Why not just make mead with the honeydew their aphid slaves produce?
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 5:16:24 PM No.24531755
>>24531589
What purpose does this level of worldbuilding even serve?
Replies: >>24531762
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 5:20:18 PM No.24531760
>>24531562
Ok I keep muttering on and not getting to the point but future readers can COPE and SEETHE about the extra 400-500 words of pointless talking and eating which I have deemed necessary for me to get to the actually important information for the next chapter. Which I've decided to write a flashback unrelated to the actual next chapter
Replies: >>24531784
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 5:21:45 PM No.24531762
>>24531755
Maybe his book takes place in a beastfolk kingdom and one of the major factions are the anteaterkin, of course they would need to be have a vibrant culture based on ant consumption.
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 5:28:30 PM No.24531771
>>24531589
What part of your idea requires chatgpt
Replies: >>24531775
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 5:31:36 PM No.24531775
>>24531771
He is going to go full autistic detail on the alchemical processes during the brewing to make sure nobody can tell him you can't brew bear from what is mostly chitin.
Replies: >>24531788
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 5:37:38 PM No.24531784
>>24531760
Write everything you want now, cut later maybe if you feel like it. It's web novel, who cares!
Replies: >>24531802
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 5:39:21 PM No.24531788
>>24531775
i still don't see how this requires a chatbot.
Replies: >>24531796
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 5:46:02 PM No.24531796
>>24531788
He wants to skip the research on fermentation and ant body composition?
Replies: >>24532346
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 5:50:24 PM No.24531802
>>24531784
I feel as though I don't write enough about important things in this chapter but I'm not sure how to extend it because it's literally just a few questions in the second half and expositing information is boring as hell, but it feels a bit pointless having a bunch of talking about things some the reader might have figured out a chapter ago and with characters that will never be seen again outside of that very specific setting. I think I just need to write more to get better at this stuff since I've never actually written this far into anything before.

I'm going to use the next chapter as a break from the continuing narrative for myself and slot that in wherever I feel it would make sense later down the road.
Replies: >>24531832
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 6:09:56 PM No.24531832
>>24531802
how many objectives did you have in mind for this chapter?
Replies: >>24531848 >>24531861
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 6:10:22 PM No.24531834
Today I will remind anons of that time I got an engineering degree just to write a steampunk novel but ended up using fantasy made-up concepts anyway because realistic physics besides surface familiarity would bore anyone to death.
Replies: >>24531916
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 6:17:28 PM No.24531848
>>24531832
Three main ones, showing how the MC is curious about the new world again, showing how he goes about it, having his idol teach him a bit about he found and give a stronger idea about 'alchemical weapons' to the reader and what they might be able to do and all those I did well enough. The other one is the set up for the next chapter which I have a strong idea of what I want to do. First half was only about 1500 words so it felt a bit lacking as a whole chapter. As the MC isn't the one really asking these questions and just along for the ride at the second part there isn't too much he can do and I didn't want to rush getting to the information that was going to be given.
Replies: >>24531861
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 6:26:45 PM No.24531861
>>24531832
>>24531848
you guys have scene objectives? damn
Replies: >>24531886 >>24531989 >>24532377
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 6:39:38 PM No.24531886
>>24531861
Well I got to write about something, and I don't want my story to be a never ending forever-quest
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 7:00:14 PM No.24531916
>>24531834
>I got an engineering degree just to write a steampunk novel
As in, you got an engineering degree and started a steampunk novel or did you went for engineering *to* start your steampunk novel?
Congrats anyway, I couldn't finish my EE degree.
Replies: >>24532054
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 7:08:05 PM No.24531927
are there any western webnovels that treat a poorly disguised allegory for a group of people with the same disdain and hatred the chinese webnovelists have for the japanese?
Replies: >>24531941 >>24531942
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 7:17:12 PM No.24531941
>>24531927
No because the forces of liberalism have been at work and dominant since the Protestant Reformation and now it's like the water we fishes live in.
Replies: >>24531961
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 7:17:19 PM No.24531942
>>24531927
probably not. wouldn't fly on the western internet and there's no "oh that's just the culture" excuse
Replies: >>24531961
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 7:29:05 PM No.24531961
>>24531942
>>24531941
i thought there’s be one or more webnovels that used allegory to slip past the noses of its readers.

in china there is no allegory. even in fantasy wuxia worlds they will introduce the Japanese as is and depict them as a race of cowardly, evil goblin people who are uppity and deserved to be either exterminated or sent back to their proper place as slaves for the chinese i mean huaxia people.
Replies: >>24531989
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 7:45:21 PM No.24531989
>>24531961
Yes and that's because China doesn't have the same liberal tradition the West does, and was never culturally dominated by the West the same way South Korea and Japan have been.

>>24531861
Yeah, generally when I write a chapter the main purpose is to move the plot forward (the book is very plot heavy). If that doesn't happen, there MUST be character development, OR world-building, ideally both. If none of that is present, I seriously think about whether the chapter needs to exist at all.

There is precisely one chapter in my story, out of over a hundred, which contains none of that, and instead serves to illustrate a limit the main character has by having him attempt a small project that fails miserably. I feel it's necessary to include because otherwise the question becomes why can't the main character just overcome X, Y, or Z obstacle the way he overcame everything else prior? I'm writing a progression fantasy but it's not "MC becomes omnipotent over a thousand chapters."

And even now I question if it's really that necessary and if I couldn't have included it spread out over several chapters instead rather than having it be its own chapter, but I feel it varies the pace of the narrative nicely and keeps the readers on their toes, wondering if future projects might fail as well.
Replies: >>24532076
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 8:14:32 PM No.24532054
>>24531916
The latter, got to learn some hydropneumatics and lathework, assembling engines & circuitry while writing barely related chapters during breaks.
>Congrats anyway, I couldn't finish my EE degree
Mine was a 2-year associate's degree however, if it were a 4-year bachelor's (which I assume yours was) I too would have dropped it because classmates were lethargic and so I had to overperform socially not to get into groups with disastrous project management. By the end of first year, things were getting out of hand and eroding my writing tempo so I began to question whether it was worth it, but since there were only a couple semesters left I just pushed through.
Replies: >>24532069
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 8:21:01 PM No.24532069
Mio Approves
Mio Approves
md5: 9b0d98a27f09e257488b571dba773e84🔍
>>24532054
>The latter, got to learn some hydropneumatics and lathework, assembling engines & circuitry
Damn, that's hardcore, truly dedicated to your craft, deep respect.
>Mine was a 2-year associate's degree however, if it were a 4-year bachelor's (which I assume yours was)
It was 5, but not really relevant.
Replies: >>24532455
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 8:24:54 PM No.24532076
>>24531989
i often get bogged down with describing how characters got from point A to point B and feeling the need to detail it when I really should just skip the fucking shit. Doing that with my current chapter.
Replies: >>24532213
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 8:25:49 PM No.24532077
>>24531453
I think you could still do this with outlining. Mine is what I consider the skeleton draft in prose.
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 8:27:01 PM No.24532081
>>24531428
Starting the timer now.
Replies: >>24534099
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 9:14:32 PM No.24532213
>>24532076
Yeah I do that too sometimes. Usually I'll do an editing run the day after I write, and if I see a lot of unnecessary description of mundane bullshit I'll just summarize it.
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 10:32:56 PM No.24532339
>still stuck in rewrite hell
Fuck me I should've just finished the first novel completely before starting.
Replies: >>24532404
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 10:35:16 PM No.24532346
>>24531796
It's not research it's just bullshitting a made-up explanation. Which authors are perfectly capable of doing on their own...
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 10:49:05 PM No.24532377
>>24531861
NTA but I use moorcock's general approach
I.e don't use filler; Just fill with more tweeeests.
Old-school potboilers understood that you can sacrifice quality and integrity but never density.
It can be bad or even terrible. But it's gotta keep moving always
It's how comics used to operate, it's how a fair bit of manga & Telenovelas operate.
It can be horrifically dumb garbage.
But you gotta. Keep. It. Moving.
Replies: >>24532404 >>24532431 >>24533965
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 10:50:53 PM No.24532383
>>24531344
quality doesn't translate to success here. The standards for grammar is below the frog's ass. If you put in too much effort you'll just burn out. Just have fun with it and your readers will too.
Replies: >>24532404 >>24532412
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 11:00:03 PM No.24532404
>>24532339
Before publishing? Yeah, I'd recommend not doing that (but what do I know). I figure it's better to just put it out there for readers and move to the end of the story and then decide if it needs a rewrite or not, taking feedback into consideration. Faster iteration with more feedback, in my opinion, will produce a better result faster.

Of course I got my first review recommending a major rewrite the day after I submitted my final manuscript for self-publishing, haha.

>>24532377
Yeah this is a good take.

>>24532383
If I had to say, I'd say plot is the primary concern, and characters are the second. Prose quality is almost a non-factor. World-building would be third.

I need to work on my characters.
Replies: >>24532408 >>24532417
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 11:02:29 PM No.24532408
>>24532404
with how meandering and unfocused web serial plots are, i'd say characters matter even more than plot to an audience in this medium
Replies: >>24532418 >>24532453
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 11:03:32 PM No.24532412
>>24532383
Yep.
Daily reminder.
You're here to post.
Not to "write".
Putting words on paper is just a means to an end, said end being posting.
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 11:05:27 PM No.24532417
>>24532404
I'm trying to get key worldbuilding in early and I glossed over it too much hence the rewrite.
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 11:05:27 PM No.24532418
>>24532408
Maybe that's why my growth pace is shit.
Next story I'm going to focus way more on characters. This actually helps make the decision on which story to do next, too.
Replies: >>24532429 >>24533970
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 11:10:05 PM No.24532429
>>24532418
Character is king. I think it also helps when characters are the starting point in your thought process since it's dangerously easy to conjure up two-dimensional characters to fit a plot you've told yourself is good. When you start with character, the plot just gets reverse-engineered naturally out of the characters being themselves and what that means when in conflict with other characters
Replies: >>24532446
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 11:10:20 PM No.24532431
>>24532377
explain slice of life stories
Replies: >>24532459
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 11:17:09 PM No.24532446
>>24532429
Good point. That's one thing I'm going to have to work on. I have one good main character... actually, no, I really need to flesh him out, too.

I might look up some character writing exercises.
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 11:21:04 PM No.24532453
>>24532408
on the other hand there are plenty of big power fantasy stories starring white bread blank slate characters with minimal personality.
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 11:22:30 PM No.24532455
>>24532069
Thanks, I don't know if I would recommend anyone to follow this practice though. The degree was pricey so my parents were disappointed when I didn't fulfill their expectations to put it to use in trade. I think our time on earth is too minuscule to deplete it on menial labor, so the real reason for me having pursued engineering, which was inspiration for creative writing, sounds so paradoxical it's not something you could ever explain to a normal person without coming off as a complete schizo.
Replies: >>24532460
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 11:23:44 PM No.24532459
>>24532431
Wdym explain slice of life stories?
Stuff happens all the fucking time in slice of life.
In fact your average SOL story is significantly denser than your average scifi epic because the story is driven by each scene rather than a connective thread between scenes.
Just because the stakes are low and the overarching plot minimal doesn't mean scene composition and outcome don't matter. In fact they matter so much more to the point 5 different sensory & emotional things can happen in a single paragraph.
Replies: >>24532492 >>24532497 >>24533984
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 11:23:46 PM No.24532460
>>24532455
Don't worry about the opinions of peasants. It's a perfectly aristocratic thing to do, learning an entire trade just to improve your art. Plebs will never understand.
Replies: >>24532493
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 11:38:03 PM No.24532492
>>24532459
some people think slice of life is an excuse to write any banal vapid shit for "vibes"
even the best examples aren't my thing but I can see how their craft goes unnoticed by the low consciousness individual who thinks it'd be easy to emulate and/or that it'd be little work
Replies: >>24533984
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 11:38:06 PM No.24532493
>>24532460
This is true at least. I can say what I acquired from these studies was invaluable in the most esoteric sense. I got there wanting to inspire myself to keep on writing a light fiction at first, but the experiences and ordeals I have undergone gradually funneled my ideas into a truly irreplaceable message from the very depths of empirical perception. I would not be able to write with nearly as much conviction if I didn't experience the same emotions and epiphanies my characters do on paper.
Replies: >>24532496
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 11:39:59 PM No.24532496
>>24532493
Sounds riveting. Does your story have a steam engine powered automaton waifu?
Replies: >>24532511 >>24532551 >>24532698
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 11:40:57 PM No.24532497
>>24532459
>5 different sensory & emotional things
this touches on the point I'd make in defense of SoL and against the absolute necessity to have a driving plot/plotlines
the post I replied to doesn't mention these at all and is focused on plot. constantly moving forward and adding twists
the primary appeal of a SoL story isn't plot. it's experience and emotions
density of substance != plot momentum
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 11:52:23 PM No.24532511
>>24532496
More or less. The novel's bulk chapters are reaching their deadline soon enough and if I were you I'd stay tuned for its operatic commencement with a mental ticket to premier the first chapters on a near RR release.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 12:18:18 AM No.24532551
>>24532496
>Riveting
Kek
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 12:43:35 AM No.24532588
Hello, /wng/. I want to gain somewhat of a following before writing my own original stuff. To get a bit of a head start.

What's the biggest sloppa crossover ideas do you guys recommend that are popular with the fanfiction crowd?
Replies: >>24532598 >>24532600 >>24532609
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 12:50:32 AM No.24532598
>>24532588
The golden age of crossover fanfiction ended ages ago. It'll still get readers but it's 6-8 years past being the ultimate cash cow you might think it is.
That being said: SCP Crossovers are going to be relatively easy.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 12:52:32 AM No.24532600
>>24532588
Write a Worm fanfiction on Spacebattles—that gives you the best shot @ a large and aligned audience for transitioning to RoyalRoad
Replies: >>24532618
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 1:00:16 AM No.24532609
>>24532588
Fate and Lolita. Kurolita.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 1:07:07 AM No.24532618
>>24532600
>Write a Worm fanfiction on Spacebattles—that gives you the best shot @ a large and aligned audience for transitioning to RoyalRoad
I kind of figured about this route.

The problem is that I don't know what Worm crossovers HAVEN'T been done yet to garner attention. I feel like most potential crossovers have been explored when in terms of series.
Replies: >>24532620 >>24534561
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 1:08:31 AM No.24532620
>>24532618
Just do the crossover you want...wtf? Who cares if it was done before? Do it your way
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 1:54:24 AM No.24532696
Screenshot 2025-07-09 005302
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md5: 1a0068066b01ba90a0c3a122899d66b6🔍
What metrics are your baseline for success with Royal Road? For me I'm working towards 1k followers.
Replies: >>24532706 >>24532764 >>24532832
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 1:55:15 AM No.24532698
1310709247524
1310709247524
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>>24532496
>steam powered waifu
sounds hot
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 1:59:24 AM No.24532706
>>24532696
I think hitting front page with rising stars (top 7) is what most people should aim for, as a minimum for success. But that's for new stories
I guess for older stories, followers around ~3k is doing aight
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 2:30:08 AM No.24532764
>>24532696
i don't know. I used to care about top 500 but I realized that after a certain number of bombs the amount of 5.0s needed to gain anything notable is beyond the niche I write in. I don't even care about success anymore, I just want to finish it but it is difficult to write these days because I am mentally disabled.
Replies: >>24532771
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 2:33:01 AM No.24532771
stats 7-8-2025
stats 7-8-2025
md5: 09cc0384d9361a5e83e937127dddb844🔍
>>24532764
oops forgot to attach my image
Replies: >>24532799 >>24532825
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 2:49:25 AM No.24532799
score 7-8-25
score 7-8-25
md5: 39630fca3b5d63d6ff9d38c27460b82b🔍
>>24532771
Holy shit dude, that's an insane score with that many reviews/ratings. What's your story? I want to copy whatever you're doing right.

Personally my goal is to build up an audience of followers on a first story, and maybe even on a second story, before I write something and try to propel to the top of RS or the front page. Sadly my patreon conversion has been shit and I don't have nearly as many ratings/reviews as I feel like I should have given the number of followers/favorites I have.
Replies: >>24532813 >>24532840
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 2:53:30 AM No.24532813
>>24532799
5 reviews is more than I would expect for 167 followers
the ratings ratio is a little low though. i'm not sure that means anything
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 2:54:39 AM No.24532815
why are there so many famous writers in my thread
Replies: >>24532822 >>24532828
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 2:58:04 AM No.24532822
>>24532815
Because this is actually my thread
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 2:58:41 AM No.24532825
>>24532771
Your follows are pretty high but your views are fairly low in comparison to page count and follow count. Did you have an early success but it petered out a bit?
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 2:59:33 AM No.24532828
>>24532815
Everyone here is making 10k+ on patreon, this is our secret place from where we control the web novel scene.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 3:02:20 AM No.24532832
Untitled-2
Untitled-2
md5: a1a0e08d74647f35ab6d9468bd9e6195🔍
>>24532696
i'm happy to just scrape by. It's already filed as completed on all 3 so I won't have any further growth. I can only wonder how the sequel novel will fare which I project to be roughly tail end of novella length.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 3:04:27 AM No.24532840
>>24532799
crow and the rabbit
I don't know what I'm doing right or wrong.

>>24532825
multiple breaks but also I know that several of the people who were invested early on are just gone. I guess I'm taking too long?
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 3:08:54 AM No.24532853
>>24532840
I need to get off my ass and read. I followed you a week or so ago just haven't got around to it.

I've gotten addicted to Dungeon Crawler Carl but I have no idea how he survived as a webnovelist. His shit is so looooooooong. Reading it serial must have been torture.
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 3:15:55 AM No.24532870
>>24532853
long is good
t. into that shit
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 3:27:14 AM No.24532900
>>24532853
DCC massively underperformed as a serial btw. He hit it big for his ebooks and audiobooks, because it's really more a trad novel than a serial
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 3:45:55 AM No.24532942
>>24532900
Makes complete sense to me. I'm reading the old fashioned way and it's fairly gripping. I'll need to go back and study the prose later once I'm finished / caught up.

>>24532870
Long is hard as fuck to write regularly. I'm up to 1.5-2k words/day but it's tough. It might get better once I introduce some more characters but DCC's chapters are long as fuck. I wouldn't be able to keep up that pace consistently.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 4:27:14 AM No.24533039
Woke up after 4 hours of sleep.
Guess it's time to slop
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 5:43:34 AM No.24533173
>wow finally a place to talk about webnovelz
>looks inside
>consists 100% of failed authors
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 5:48:00 AM No.24533182
>>24533173
...?
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 5:52:58 AM No.24533193
>>24533182
What's so confusing about that post? Is your brain working okay?
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 5:53:49 AM No.24533194
>>24533193
If you're looking for (You)s you'll have better luck in /wg/ boss
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 5:54:48 AM No.24533198
>>24533173
What's your favorite webnovel? I like BTDEM a lot but it's been shit for the last, well ten books now.
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 5:59:15 AM No.24533204
>>24533173
Sure, shoot, we also read and talk about webnovels here, reading something interesting?
I still haven't finished Rend, Isekai Occultist is stuck in enternal temple clearing, and The Cabins is Always Hungry is getting new chapters.
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 6:01:17 AM No.24533208
>>24533173
talk about what you want
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 6:08:31 AM No.24533216
>>24533198
Boring answers of MoL and LoTM.
>>24533204
I'm reading Sky Pride and it's rather well done but I hope some interesting stuff happens soon. The grandpa kinda gets on my nerves tbqh
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 6:10:15 AM No.24533220
>>24533216
>Sky Pride
On my list, I should get around reading it before it gets inevitably stubbed.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:43:36 AM No.24533446
>>24532900
It was top 20 in ongoing , that's not "underperforming".
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:55:02 AM No.24533458
>>24533173
You don't think super successful authors are seriously going to spend their day on a 4chan board? (although I will probably stick around even if I hit gold, I like the atmosphere here.)

You're free to speak about whatever you want, and although the name is webnovel general, it's writing general fork, at the end of the day. Started by authors, used by authors.
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 9:00:28 AM No.24533463
>>24533458
Usually no.
With web serials maybe.
Being terminally online is a loser trait but with web novels or multiplayer games it's part of the job description.
Notch is from /v/ after all.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 9:11:52 AM No.24533475
>>24533458
i would desu
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 9:49:54 AM No.24533517
>>24532853
>I've gotten addicted to Dungeon Crawler Carl but I have no idea how he survived as a webnovelist. His shit is so looooooooong. Reading it serial must have been torture.
He has more Patreon subs than Sleyca even.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 11:33:08 AM No.24533651
wn bros im tempted
wn bros im tempted
md5: f2afe6b907ddd8f064f57160524c374f🔍
>some author in webnovel bragging about their income
>more than a year of my savings in 1 month
is webnovel really that bad bros?

my fic in royalroad never got any traction and it's disheartening to be honest.

I feel like I should take the webnovel pill as well and just make their kind of slop instead...
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 11:38:43 AM No.24533664
>>24533651
Yes, give in to Wumammon's temptations
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 11:48:25 AM No.24533683
>>24533664
I'll probably do it if I can get my word count per day high enough. can only write about 500-800 words a day right now and that's slow.
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 11:52:27 AM No.24533691
>>24533651
what is that? Usd? share the post where the retard is bragging.

Also, I thought outright sex was heavily frowned upon on webnovel.

I wanted to go this route a three months ago but dialed back. 2000 words a day is easy, forcing myself to write shit is the real torture.
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 12:13:28 PM No.24533731
>>24533691
>>24533651
Webnovel is the OnlyFans of web serial publishing.
Of course there's people who make incredible money there but most don't but you'll still be a whore.
It's like learning juggling in the hopes of becoming a Circe du Soleil performer.
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 12:21:08 PM No.24533746
>>24533731
> Of course there's people who make incredible money there but most don't
That's true for every site that exists, and trad publishing too.
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 12:45:20 PM No.24533790
>>24533691
yep, in usd and it's on the webnovel discord
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 1:33:05 PM No.24533856
>>24528895
>Slopkino is the future, by getting in know you'll have an edge.
(Joker's voice)
"Well, see? You're just ahead of the curve."
"Me? I just write about... one, little, bulge and... everyone just loses their fucking minds!"
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 1:38:24 PM No.24533866
>>24529323
>It's a useful statistic, especially if you can see what chapter they got to before dropping. Like if everyone gets to chapter 20 and drops, you can go back and try to figure out what went wrong there and how to fix it.
I make trad novels, I just park my catalog on a webnovel site. I've noticed some books have widely varying view numbers.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 1:45:00 PM No.24533877
>>24533746
Of course.
But the percentages are way worse compared to the raw effort required to get there.
It's "get rich by going to dentistry school (hard, not guaranteed whatsoever)" vs "get rich by going to acting school (vanishingly unlikely, hard, fucked environment).
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 1:50:37 PM No.24533884
IMG_20250709_083221
IMG_20250709_083221
md5: af8d11a48e84d26d0e5b7dfcfd152b73🔍
>>24531428
>830 words typed in the last 24 hours
That's more like 83% of the goal! To think I've had an unplanned freight gig in the afternoon right after creating this post, I assumed my schedule was jettisoned out of order and I wouldn't be able to achieve even a 50% parcel of the challenge, but this post kept calling me back and so I had my brains burned out with a spoon of creatine to help me thorough the night. Another remarkable memo, most sentences written in this short timespan were also solid enough not to warrant the desire for revision, so the exercise was working as a sort of double duty to my literary register.

I'll be eagerly awaiting the other anons to show up. We're all going to make it, just got to always keep aiming higher and hiking after our goals.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 1:50:46 PM No.24533885
>>24529948
>You're in the unproductive midwit era of your career where you're somewhat creative but too abhorrently incompetent and poorly read to understand just how irrelevant ideas are.
Big idea for a story is great. But, early in my writing I wasn't ready. More recently, I tried a writing exercise. I "forced" a very basic premise on my series. To you know, "force" the next book. Just to try what I was trying, as an exercise. Became my best one, though. It surprised me. A very basic plot premise, was doing better than any big idea. I feel other things went into this, such as the fact I had 11 volumes with these characters under my belt already. I know the characters intimately. Still no shaking the idea, that a basic plot was the way to go. I feel as if maybe now? I could benefit and make better use of past "big ideas" from before I knew practical things about writing.
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 1:55:23 PM No.24533889
>>24530055
>Do you guys think we can have a writefag coup on /lit/ and kick out most of the bookfags from the catalogue?

I feel that a \wri\ters board should be spun off of this \lit\ board. I would see "WNG" as one of several prominent writing threads. Others? One thread could grade "action scenes", another could grade "smut scenes", etc etc.
Fight sequences aren't the easiest things in the world to write. Nether is smut. I had to do writing exercises on both, to get working with them.
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 1:58:51 PM No.24533896
>>24533885
Bingo.
"Big" ideas are for foundational novels.
And even then LOTR is just a basic quest for example. As far as majorly influential fiction goes The Foundation is amongst the few that really goes beyond a very basic framework.
Anything with less lofty ambitions can afford to run stock engines.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 2:13:11 PM No.24533923
>>24530108
>>>24529938
>>Do you think homelessness is enough of a twist to justify fully committing to a slopRPG?
>Explain to me how homelessness is a twist, how you're going to incorporate it, what the character arc is, and how it relates to "homelessness" in real life. Because if you can't tap into that last part, you're just writing a standard murderhobo.
>I suspect you have the media-pushed view of homelessness: down on their luck or mentally ill people who just need help, and they'll stop loitering and living in piles of trash. The truth is very different, and if you aren't approaching it from a true perspective, it's going to fall flat OR be seen as derivative as you swing too close to standard adventurer/murderhobo character setting.
>There's a reason there's no great "homeless man" novel. It's because real life homeless people don't do shit, and the best among that class of people work and stop being homeless as fast as they can.

I'll take a crack at this.
Story opens? On... le Epic Hero.
He's watching his arch enemy. He's *just* about to pounce. He's jogged ahead of his team, but they'll be along soon. He can't pass this chance up, and attacks... ridiculously epic battle ensues. But? The hero is going to come up, just an inch shy. Maybe, a shot in the back, too. (friendly fire? betrayed?)
Hero dies, end of short chapter one.
>
Chapter two. Disgusting homeless guy, sleeping in piss in alley. With no reason why, that same hero... is waking up in this body. With complete mind of the hero that died... here he is.
No one will listen, to the crazy homeless guy.
But, he starts looking for his nemesis. He's been given a second chance.
I think a clever mix of mainly true first person chapters, with a few "how others see him" chapters, would work.
The reader might even be trying to decide when its over, if the guy was just insane, or... was really reborn.
>
and for the prime bad guy... if a lone homeless guy WAS hunting your henchmen? How would you go about catching him. How scary would it be, when the good guy you killed, suddenly you heard his voice coming out of a homeless guy's mouth.
I could almost take a crack at this one.
has possible potential.
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 2:18:45 PM No.24533930
>>24531359
>Do I need an overarching plot?
>Can't I just write an episodic chapter about daily life?
lets just you go with... "I need some kind of plot", and leave it at that, okay?
what's next, maybe you start thinking, why do i need dialog.
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 2:24:25 PM No.24533941
>>24531606
>I tried to be realistic at first with my story but found it incredibly limiting and time consuming. I felt much better writing once I let go of my insistence on realism and just embraced "it's magic that's how it works in this story" fully.
>Just say the ant species in your fantasy novel have carbohydrates that can be fermented, and then ignore the fact that by sheer biomass it would be hard to cultivate ants because they're tiny and not actually that numerous compared to grain yields from a similar sized plot of land.

from my experience, its not about being 100 percent correct in all your facts. It IS about, you say it with authority, as if its a true fact. Think... youmissed your pool shot, but it banked and shot in (the wrong) pocket.
Just, act like you intended it, and enjoy it.
That, is your writer's authority. No reader engaged, stops to fact check. If they believe your made up fact now? Its proof you were a good writer.
I make shit up all the time. I have enough broad general knowledge, people aren't sure when I'm using it, or just making shit up.
it sounds good tough, that's the main thing.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 2:32:55 PM No.24533955
>>24533923
>and for the prime bad guy... if a lone homeless guy WAS hunting your henchmen? How would you go about catching him. How scary would it be, when the good guy you killed, suddenly you heard his voice coming out of a homeless guy's mouth.
Ok, that sounds awesome, hobo takes down drug cartel.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 2:38:49 PM No.24533965
>>24532377
advice I picked up not too long ago, from clicking on a link here at \lit\...
instead of writing filler, consider a sub-plot. Any number of tiny sub-plots that go nowhere, keep the reader guessing.
I've also started thinking of my overall plot, as the skeleton. When the plot is very basic, I'll add a second, even weaker, plot along with it.
My current work as an example.
main plot, you end up with man vs nature (winter)
main plot, you end up with man vs man (traditional)
side plot? I added a thin plot thing for sexual tension and some sex.
I don't feel man vs nature, was enough plot.
but man vs man was too little plot, too.
but, together? They made a better one.
The added sexual tension I need, because I incorporate as many noir elements in as I can. Sex and violence are two compulsory elements.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 2:41:48 PM No.24533970
>>24532418
>Maybe that's why my growth pace is shit.
>Next story I'm going to focus way more on characters. This actually helps make the decision on which story to do next, too.
>Character is king. I think it also helps when characters are the starting point in your thought process since it's dangerously easy to conjure up two-dimensional characters to fit a plot you've told yourself is good. When you start with character, the plot just gets reverse-engineered naturally out of the characters being themselves and what that means when in conflict with other characters
>
I had my own personal breakthrough moment, working with the same characters over and over. I knew them inside and out, I can see them in my head. I will hate eventually running out of things to try with them, because I'm so used to working these characters.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 2:42:55 PM No.24533972
>>24533856
>"Me? I just write about... one, little, bulge and... everyone just loses their fucking minds!"
I'll look out for bulges so I can recognize your bulge, I mean, novel.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 2:49:07 PM No.24533984
>>24532492
>>>24532459
>some people think slice of life is an excuse to write any banal vapid shit for "vibes"
>even the best examples aren't my thing but I can see how their craft goes unnoticed by the low consciousness individual who thinks it'd be easy to emulate and/or that it'd be little work
>
I scratched my head, wondering what "slice of life" even was.
Best I can come up with?
Author: Tremayne. He write "the Eiger Sanction"
I saw the movie as a kid (clint eastwood, BTW)
MC was an assassin (eastwood)
found out it was a book, so I read it. Loved it.
found out there were one or two more Tremayne books, same killer character, read them as well.
Then.
Used book store, owner hand me... another Tremayne. I read it.
I FINISHED the book, waiting for any hint of plot.
literally, a beat cop in Canada. "the Main" title, is their name for the main drag his career is to patrol.
This cop, just makes observations on everything, and... nothing... ever... happens...
I alwys scratched myhead and wondered what the hell happened.
Did Tremayne just need "another novel" to fulfill a contract, to get out, and get to hsi next gig?
Or, was he experimenting.
seeing if he could write a novel, with zero plot as an exercise.
I just know, it turned me off of the idea of "slice of life",
after experiencing that shit stain of a novel.
and after liking his other stuff so much? Big letdown.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 2:51:40 PM No.24533989
>>24533173
>>wow finally a place to talk about webnovelz
>>looks inside
>>consists 100% of failed authors

I'm not failed, i'm simply as-of-yet undiscovered. Thank you very much.
kek
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 2:53:47 PM No.24533994
names
names
md5: 8521fc8ad322a091f61b7d650e034021🔍
>>24528474 (OP)
Does including an appendix of names serve any purpose?
I guess nobody will care, but for the off chance some readers are bothered bythe similarities of name, it would explain why they are similar.
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 3:00:04 PM No.24533999
>>24533994
If things get too complicated, I would welcome an appendix of characters.
Though, the only novel it ever happened to me was Slime Tensei, but just because the author likes introducing characters in one scene 2 books before they make their actual debut and keeps bringing characters that haven't appeared in like 10 books.
Best recourse is to not complicate things too much, especially in the web novel scene.
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 3:01:17 PM No.24534001
If you aren't a fully qualified linguist, don't even bother with conlangs desu (desu)
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 3:02:12 PM No.24534003
>>24533994
I would at least check it to see if it has phonetic notation because I like to read aloud to myself and sometimes names aren't very intuitive when it comes to pronunciation.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 3:03:38 PM No.24534006
>>24533994
Encouraging this kind of autistic behavior will only result in even more inane nitpicking about things that don't matter. If that's the kind of audience you want to entertain then go ahead.
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 3:32:33 PM No.24534041
>>24533999
Tensura doesn't have that many character, right? At least compared to something like Overlord
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 3:34:20 PM No.24534043
34344
34344
md5: 5cd47cd3a60f71b166c11e682cd5003d🔍
>>24534006
>Encouraging this kind of autistic behavior will only result in even more inane nitpicking about things that don't matter.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 3:35:18 PM No.24534046
>>24533889
goodluck, convincing gookmoot and his board of jannitors. That's a helluva idea though, I'd start a writing altchan If I knew how. Though that comes with its own risks, such as attracting the wrong crowds "S--o--y" ja--c--ks, are a major problem for altchans, even non-guilty ones.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 3:38:03 PM No.24534049
>>24534041
It has more, at least in the light novel; Usually antagonists get introduced + their henchmen in one passing scene, just to them to show up again in another volume with the novel speaking as if you could keep 50+ characters and their desings in your head.
Most Overlord characters that weren't killed in the same volume they were introduced are either Nazarick or they stuck around enough for you to remember them.
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 3:53:09 PM No.24534068
>>24534049
But there are like 100 characters from Nazarick alone.
I don't know what is up with Japanese and having billion characters. I'm currently reading LOGH novels, and it introduces characters just to kill them next paragraph.
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 3:57:25 PM No.24534072
>>24533923
You're actually close to what I had in mind. I took some cues from Stubborn Skill Grinder for the scaffolding and system design. I guess I’ve got nothing to lose—other anons say my paranoia is just a bunch of nothingburgers.

1. Hundreds of heroes are on the verge of dying on a moonworld.
Their enemy: the Godling—a dark sorceress turned evil god.
MC arrives late to the moon, alongside his brother-in-arms.
The love of his life dies in his arms.
They confront the dark bitch.
He suffers horribly and nearly kills her—until she regenerates.
The world is doomed. MC dies.

He wakes up lying in muck, a snorting pig licking his face.
He screams.

2. He looks into a dirty puddle—sees a younger, ragged version of himself in filthy clothes.
Starts asking questions. Draws the wrong crowd.
Kids throw rocks at him.
He runs. Attracts the attention of a thug.
The thug beats him with a pipe.
When the thug uses magic, MC remembers [skills].
Guards arrive. He’s arrested.

3.From here on out:
He’s declared an illegal alien.
Gets lashed by the Inquisition.
They let him go after he makes a display in the jail cell.
Forced to live in the slums. First night, he sleeps on the floor.
Another hobo makes him an offer too good to be true.
He starts delving in an illegal dungeon.
Sells junk on black markets just to scrape by.
Inflation’s insane in this hellhole. He’s forced to survive off scraps.

I’ve got an Inquisitor set up as a love interest.
MC starts researching how to go back—or time travel. Eh?

From here on out I have the idea for a unending loop
grind>lose>grind>win>slice of life> Plot relevant

Honestly, it's not that unique, but I wanna have a try at this. Should probably dive deeper into the timeloops shit, people love that don't they. Execution is king and all that yadayada
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 3:59:06 PM No.24534075
>>24534068
>But there are like 100 characters from Nazarick alone.
More like two dozen? The floor guardians, the Pleiades, the dog maid, Rubedo, and Nigredo.
Except if you count the humunculous maids, rescued elfs and the Carne village characters, then that probably pushes it to ~100 but they are basically irrelevant and usually get a reintroduction when they appear.
>and it introduces characters just to kill them next paragraph.
One of the funniest parts in Overlord is when they introduce half a dozen of mercs, with names and backstories just to get insta killed by Sebas.
Dunno why the japanese do that, maybe they think that world building means more characters?
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 4:04:58 PM No.24534086
>>24534075 (me)
Now that I think about it, there's also Ainz friends, which definitely puts it at +100 characters.
I guess it's more about memorability rather than sheer number? Slime for example has a bunch of goblins whose only relevance in the story is being secretaries to Rimuru.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 4:07:38 PM No.24534089
>>24531562
I did it. Hooray.
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 4:11:13 PM No.24534095
>>24533446
It didn't even break 7k followers after years of posting—then it went on to become the best selling litrpg that also got trad pubbed
It underperformed massively on royalroad. That isn't to say it didn't perform objectively decently for the ultra-niche of royalroad sloppa, but compared to the massive success it went on to see, it certainly underperformed
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 4:12:42 PM No.24534099
Happy Dragon_thumb.jpg
Happy Dragon_thumb.jpg
md5: b95f3ea57aff64e1ad094a440f3ebd9e🔍
>>24532081
Wrote the 1k words and finished the first chapter, if I manage to write 20 it may be worth to post it, though it may just read as ESL babble.
Still haven't finished How to Write a Sentence though, shame on me.
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 4:15:46 PM No.24534102
>>24533651
>>24533683
webnovel is even more of a number game than rr, you are expected to do daily if not twice daily chapters there.
it's a different kind of slop and personally I can't stand it, but if you're fine with the awful contract there is money to be made. i think royalroad is more reliable there, it's really hard to get traction on webnovel. but I don't really understand the culture because I can't read the novels there (besides shadow slave, which was okay)
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 4:16:06 PM No.24534103
>>24534068
>>24534049
>>24534075
i think it’s a holdover from the classics of east asian literature, since they’re all chinese novels of such unhinged quality that you can apparently learn applicable pre-gun military strategy from ROTK. in ROTK alone, there are hundreds of characters, not to mention Water Margin which has 108 characters of significance, complete with backgrounds and plots.

there are also the classics of wuxia, which were chinese serials originally printed in a newspaper. one i’ve read, legend of the twin dragons of the tang, has almost a hundred as is and most of them are historical figures from the time period with kung fu. there are even scenes where characters are introduced, given a background, description, how famous or so something they are only to immediately be smashed into meat patties the next few paragraphs.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 4:20:53 PM No.24534109
>>24534075
>Dunno why the japanese do that, maybe they think that world building means more characters?
Think it is an easy way to make false depth.
Introducing a new character and spamming backstory is easy, it can literally be anything, and it doesn't matter because the character will not matter beyond their brief appearance.
The problem with it is that every character inflates the reader's investment and takes away from developing characters.
And the reason why they don't like developing characters is difficult.
Think One Piece is a prime example of this, Oda is obsessed with just adding new characters and giving them backstories, but he rarely develops existing characters.
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 4:33:06 PM No.24534128
>>24534089
>>24534099
Congrats, anons! This simple game boosted my writing output sevenfold, and I suspect yours did as well. I hope you've written a glorious mess in this short timespan. This is such a productive yet simple format I may renew it in the next thread with a smoother description so we can keep grinding more words. As for me, I'll reset my timer with an extra round.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 4:33:55 PM No.24534130
>>24534001
TRVTHNVKE
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 4:45:44 PM No.24534153
>>24534109
This is precisely why I found One Punch Man so jarring past the first season. I wanted to see more of Saitama's inner conflicts as an overpowered hero, but turns out the monotonous shounen fights the story subverted at first quit being satire and became the standard with every new generic sub-hero vs villain fight unleashed to drag out episodic chapters.
Replies: >>24534264
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 6:02:18 PM No.24534264
>>24534153
>I wanted to see more of Saitama's inner conflicts as an overpowered hero
Is there anything interesting to say there, besides the already stated "Shit is boring"?
To comment on "what to do with overwhelming power, moral obligations, etc" would require a fundamental pivot from shonen/comedy, and desu I would not want to watch that lmao
Replies: >>24534271
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 6:05:28 PM No.24534271
>>24534264
Besides, the shounen fights allow other characters to get focus and development, and that's one of the absolute musts for stories with overpowered MCs.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 6:16:38 PM No.24534297
>>24533885
Yeah that's how I feel about my current, first novel. I've had failed starts before with "better" ideas, but forcing myself to do something basic, I was able to actually write it and it's seeing some small success. I would definitely recommend other first time writers start as small as they can and finish an entire story to start, rather than trying to write some big complex epic.

>>24533930
>why do i need dialog.
My second volume is fucked for this reason, absolutely fucked. I massively messed up my plot and outline by plotting an entire volume's worth of chapters with only one human in them. Don't make my mistake.

>>24533989
Based, as a hipster I love being early.

>>24533994
A Dramatis Personae page is a good idea if you have a large cast in a large work. It certainly doesn't hurt.

>>24534072
>paranoia
I'm 99% sure some ESL is writing a story based off my own obscure story's premise, but I can't be certain. Copying does happen, but also most people suck or never publish/post so I think you'll be fine. The story does sound interesting but it does sound more like murderhobo than actual homelessness. Give the MC a drug addiction, too.

>>24534075
It's aura farming, and it's fun to read. It's like how the Instant Death Ability light novel builds up all these antagonists just to have them get deleted with zero effort at the 90% mark.

>>24534089
>>24534099
Good job anons, do it again today.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 6:19:58 PM No.24534302
how do you handle AI accusations?
Replies: >>24534308 >>24534331 >>24534339
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 6:21:57 PM No.24534308
>>24534302
By posting the next chapter with extras emdashes—just for fun.
But seriously, just ignore it.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 6:30:31 PM No.24534331
>>24534302
Definitely with a spergout tantrum.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 6:33:53 PM No.24534339
>>24534302
>how do you handle AI accusations?
Hire me to break your detractors' kneecaps. I'll even leave a positive review for only tree fiddy.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 6:59:33 PM No.24534387
To the Anons who recommended "how to write a sentence", thank you. It sollidified many of the unformed thoughts about structure I've had over the years. It has been one of the best writing books I have ever read.
Replies: >>24534407
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:00:53 PM No.24534390
>>24528474 (OP)
Stop wasting your SFF stories by posting them on RoyalRoad or on 4chan. Write a short story once a week or once a month and try your hand at making it as a writer. The chances are slim. But you will get paid handsomely if you get accepted by these places. Don't look back once you make your first sale.

>Clarkesworld
https://clarkesworldmagazine.com/submissions/
1000-22000 words, no exceptions
12c (USD) per word. No horror but dark SF/F permitted.
No use of Chat GPT nor AI allowed
No simultaneous submissions (do not send the story somewhere else).
Stories must be well-written, suitable for audio (since there are narrated audiobooks), and convenient for screen reading (so no weird formatting).
Rigor in science fiction is appreciated, but it does not need to be "hard."
There can't be any of the tropes listed on the site.

>Asimov's
https://www.asimovs.com/contact-us/writers-guidelines
up to 7500 words, at 10c per word (USD)
Character oriented stories, but there is also some poetry $1 per line
Absolutely no use of Chat GPT nor AI allowed
No simultaneous submissions (do not send the story somewhere else).

>Fantasy & Science Fiction
https://www.sfsite.com/fsf/glines.htm
No simultaneous submissions (do not send somewhere else).
Up to 25,000 words in length. 8-12 c (USD) per word. You must read a sample of the magazine before sending.

>Interzone Digital
https://interzone.digital/submissions/
Simultaneous submissions accepted (you can send somewhere else).
Maximum of 5000 words. 1.5c (EURO) per word. Double-spaced and emailed.

>Amazing Stories
https://submission.amazingstoriesmag.com/guidelines/
$20 per story, $10 per flash (USD), and poetry also
No simultaneous submissions, no multiple submissions
1000 to 24,000 words

>Apex Magazine
https://apex-magazine.com/submissions/
8c per word (USD), up to 7500 words
Usually dark sci fi or horror is accepted.

>Beneath Ceaseless Skies
https://www.beneath-ceaseless-skies.com/submissions/
Up to 15,000 words, 8c per word (USD)
Provides feedback on rejections
No use of Chat GPT nor AI allowed
Character-focused, adventure fantasy (no sci fi nor horror) that has a deep sense of world.

>The Dark Magazine
We pay 5 cents/word for original fiction up to 6,000 words on publication for first world rights; and 1 cent/word for reprint fiction up to 6,000 words on acceptance for nonexclusive reprint rights.

>Deadlands
The Deadlands pays 10¢/word for original fiction.
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:04:01 PM No.24534400
>>24534390
No thanks. I'm going to become a webslop tycoon and there's quite literally nothing you or your cute little publications can do about it.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:04:29 PM No.24534403
>>24534390
Who the hell is posting short stories on Royalroad, lol? This post belongs in /wg/. we write serials here
Replies: >>24534408 >>24534430
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:06:19 PM No.24534405
>>24534390
I'm not doing it for your cents and pennies. I'm doing it to build an active and invested readership community
Replies: >>24534426
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:06:52 PM No.24534407
the trivium cover
the trivium cover
md5: 225f478356e5be02e4a652d33f46f171🔍
>>24534387
No problem. The next step would be pic related. I'm going through it now for the first time and it's another step beyond sentence construction to actually conveying meaning with language. But it's a much higher level. Classics readers and autodidacts will find it doable but us sloppers might have a hard time.

If you're already having trouble with endless editing and re-writing maybe hold off on reading this until you get comfortable with posting/publishing imperfect work, rather than letting the perfect be the mortal enemy of the good enough.
Replies: >>24534413
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:06:58 PM No.24534408
>>24534403
...I did.
But in my defense, it was the first time I published something for others to read.
Also, don't respond to the ad bot.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:09:15 PM No.24534413
Elements of Eloquence cover
Elements of Eloquence cover
md5: 163acff8d65fe76e5e39212a3789fe14🔍
>>24534407
Maybe a good middle ground would be Elements of Eloquence. Which is basically a list of literary techniques that make your writing sound gooder. Stuff like alliteration, rhyme, etc. Way more accessible than The Trivium.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:13:37 PM No.24534426
>>24534405
There are fan fiction slop shitters with more fans than you.
Replies: >>24534427
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:14:52 PM No.24534427
>>24534426
There are onlyfans creators with more fans too, what's your point retard?
Replies: >>24534431
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:16:04 PM No.24534430
>>24534403
NTA, but if you had the opportunity to get your first chapters of your novel into a magazine as a short story, would you do it? Consider the magazine is entitled to a 6-month publishing rights which means you will have to delay webnovelling for that minimum amount of time.
Replies: >>24534441 >>24534449
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:16:13 PM No.24534431
>>24534427
You. Will. Remain. Obscure. And. Unread.
Replies: >>24534442 >>24534446 >>24534451
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:18:16 PM No.24534439
>>24534390
So how much do you get paid for shilling on /lit/ all day?
Replies: >>24534445
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:18:42 PM No.24534441
>>24534430
I’m getting paid hundreds of dollars for 3000 words. Of course you peons would want that.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:18:46 PM No.24534442
>>24534431
Hey, I know someone who writes like that!
>>24534415
Replies: >>24534447
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:19:45 PM No.24534445
>>24534439
Why would I get paid for it? I’m just trying to stop you guys from self pubbing
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:19:46 PM No.24534446
>>24534431
What triggered you, crab? People disrespecting your heckin' magazinerinos?
Replies: >>24534450
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:19:47 PM No.24534447
>>24534442
Oops, wrong fag
>>24534380
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:20:19 PM No.24534449
>>24534430
Fourth party here, I wouldn't do it. I'm paranoid about licensing agreements and rights. I want full and complete ownership of my work at all times. I don't mind if it's pirated, but I'd be livid if some fucking company or thief tried to claim they owned my work because of some legal bullshit.
Replies: >>24534486
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:20:46 PM No.24534450
>>24534446
>crab
I’m published. And an actual writer. You just sully our trade with your “writing” that should remain unread.
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:20:59 PM No.24534451
>>24534431
actually I have quite a lot of readers
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:21:52 PM No.24534452
>>24534451
I have a publishing contract.
Replies: >>24534467
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:22:01 PM No.24534454
>>24534450
What'd you write? How'd it perform? Big 5?
Replies: >>24534464
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:22:59 PM No.24534459
>>24534451
If anon has a million readers, I'm one of them
If anon has one reader, it's because of me
If no one reads anon's work, it's because I'm dead

Keep writing anon
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:23:28 PM No.24534462
>>24534450
>Sully our trade
Jfc, anon. Head out of ass, now.
Replies: >>24534469
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:23:37 PM No.24534464
>>24534454
I already posted my work and no one bought it nor read it. It’s just a way to self doxx.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:23:50 PM No.24534467
>>24534452
If it's not from one of the major publishers nobody cares
Even big 5 contracts are questionable credentials. What matters is how many people read your shit and liked it. Post your goodreads
Replies: >>24534476
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:24:38 PM No.24534469
>>24534462
You know writing is an artform, not a hustlegrind like you seem to believe.
Replies: >>24534556
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:25:45 PM No.24534474
>And I'm not a troll. I'm an ent protecting the forest and you little orcs from your own stupid selves.
Replies: >>24534479
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:26:00 PM No.24534476
>>24534467
>Big Five
That was twenty years ago. There’s more than five big publishing companies. And they own every subsidiary and imprint other than Amazon and “independent presses” through Amazon.
Replies: >>24534481
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:27:01 PM No.24534479
>>24534474
You’re mad that I get paid per word. Not begging for donations from “fans” who read unedited slop.
Replies: >>24534483 >>24534485
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:27:07 PM No.24534480
I love self pub
trad pub is trad pub and most magazines nowadays are just pet projects of the self-important like those half-baked art shows just for people to call themselves a curator and for amateur artists to say their work has been exhibited
Replies: >>24534492
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:27:19 PM No.24534481
>>24534476
>There’s more than five big publishing companies.
Lmao. Who
Replies: >>24534498
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:27:42 PM No.24534483
>>24534479
Yeah, great art as we can see
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:28:25 PM No.24534485
>>24534479
I get paid a lot more than you per word, and I also output way more too, not 1 short story a month or whatever you probably do
Replies: >>24534491
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:29:06 PM No.24534486
>>24534449
It's not that convoluted. The standardized contract these publishers use is clear enough to underline that their publishing rights expire after six months, entitling the author to sell and release it in physical and digital formats himself. There's nominations for bigger prizes too, but the crux of the issue is whether a six-month shackle will is convenient or not for you.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:30:33 PM No.24534491
>>24534485
That’s why you’re on 4chan begging people to subscribe to your Patreon before RoyalRoad pulls your webnovel because you broke the rules and published on Amazon.
Replies: >>24534494
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:30:53 PM No.24534492
>>24534480
agreed. I've been one of those amateur artists and it's the same setup
Replies: >>24534498
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:31:50 PM No.24534494
>>24534491
im not begging for anyone, i stay anon actually. and royalroad doesn't pull webnovels for publishing on amazon. you should educate yourself how KU and KDP works, apparently. and royalroad too
Replies: >>24534500
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:32:30 PM No.24534498
IMG_4539
IMG_4539
md5: 7cda62f70124ac6620d78ca12f396bb5🔍
>>24534481
Pic related.
>>24534492
You were always a loser. You self published because you’re a loser. You made up a story that trad pub made it impossible for you to be recognised. You lie to yourself.
Replies: >>24534501 >>24534504
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:34:09 PM No.24534500
>>24534494
LARPing as Shirtaloon doesn’t make you any less of a loser.
Replies: >>24534507
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:34:27 PM No.24534501
>>24534498
most of those are in education and textbooks/academic journals kek
Replies: >>24534505
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:34:58 PM No.24534504
>>24534498
dude, big 5 is specific to the types of books being sold. obviously pearson and shit isn't included. are you like, totally new to writing?
Replies: >>24534509
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:35:32 PM No.24534505
>>24534501
I am a published academic. Kek. I bet you didn’t even pass high school.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:36:02 PM No.24534507
>>24534500
shirtaloon makes way more than me lol. i just make more than you, and it's not larping, although I can see how that's your defense mechanism
Replies: >>24534513
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:36:59 PM No.24534509
>>24534504
>Like are you actual like ummmmm
Unworthy of a response. You talk like a teenage girl.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:38:28 PM No.24534513
>>24534507
I got paid 10 cents per word. And every novel gets $20k in an advance and royalties per unit sold. You are lying if you think self published pays better. Most self published books make zero dollars.
Replies: >>24534518 >>24534527
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:39:39 PM No.24534518
>>24534513
i didn't say self pub pays better. i said i earn more than you. and i definitely do
Replies: >>24534523
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:39:56 PM No.24534520
>bitter /wg/ immigrants flocking here now that they realize their general only have ESLs
Replies: >>24534529
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:40:19 PM No.24534523
>>24534518
Post proof. LARPer.
Replies: >>24534532
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:41:03 PM No.24534527
>>24534513
do you earn out those advances? how many published novels do you have? which small publisher gave you a 20k advance? something doesn't smell right here
Replies: >>24534536
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:41:23 PM No.24534529
>>24534520
I’m not /wg/. I tell them not to self publish and they get mad.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:42:08 PM No.24534532
>>24534523
Uh...no. Unlike you who probably really is larping, I am not, and I'm not risking my successful pen name by associating with 4chan.
Replies: >>24534542
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:42:29 PM No.24534533
Why do people bother responding to trolls here?

Me? I don't engage with them at all. I wouldn't give them the time of day. I wouldn't give them any directions if asked even if I knew exactly how to get to their destination. I wouldn't even call an ambulance if I saw one lying grievously injured on the street, nor would I throw out a rope or inflatable lifebuoy to one if I saw him drowning.

I wouldn't do any of those things, let alone give a previous, undeserved (You) to one.
Replies: >>24534538 >>24534540 >>24534547
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:42:57 PM No.24534536
>>24534527
Who said I had a small publisher? The thing is, I got noticed by someone who won literary prizes whereas you get noticed by … anime profile pictures. Kek.
Replies: >>24534544
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:43:26 PM No.24534538
>>24534533
I respond so long as it's entertaining, and as long as I think, despite how they're baiting responses, they really believe what they're typing. which this guy seems to
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:43:44 PM No.24534540
>>24534533
I'll admit, I prodded him a little because it was funny to see him making a fool of himself, but at the end of the day it's just a bitter troll.
Replies: >>24534549
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:44:09 PM No.24534542
>>24534532
You feel obliged to answer because you obviously don’t enjoy your “career” enough.
Replies: >>24534548
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:44:33 PM No.24534544
>>24534536
you're moving goalposts, we were talking earnings
i'm sure you think that was a sick burn but I hate fart huffers, the lit scene is awful. I write fun stuff that people actually like reading. i don't want to write artistic stuff
look at what thread you're in man
Replies: >>24534549
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:45:20 PM No.24534547
>>24534533
I dropped out of high school and having a published academic berate me is the closest I will ever come to higher education.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:45:43 PM No.24534548
>>24534542
i enjoy my career quite a lot actually. i was ecstatic when i moved to full time writing and I'm still grateful every day for it. i write sloppa because i love sloppa and have read it all my life, very few people get to be in the position i am
you on the other hand really do seem bitter about something. i wonder what?
Replies: >>24534557
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:45:47 PM No.24534549
>>24534540
I am a published auteur. You. Are. A. Self. Pubber.
>>24534544
The function of art is to transgress and subvert expectations, not to console and mollycoddle the reader in generic slop.
Replies: >>24534555
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:46:57 PM No.24534554
See, it gets triggered even when unprompted, it's hilarious.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:47:10 PM No.24534555
>>24534549
>look at what thread you're in man
take it to /wg/, nobody cares or will even get defensive about it, we're little piggies who love our sloppa
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:47:18 PM No.24534556
>>24534469
As much as an artform as prostating your plentifull trad-pub behind to us, beckoning us in so we can join your level of having pissing contests with anonymous people about how you are so much better then us for having a contract? Because you certainitly seem to have the same artistic sensibilities as someone who would unironically talk about the "sullying of their craft" on an image board only to sperg out about your artform.
Post some of your writing. I wish to parce the malcontent out of it, if your writing even exists.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:47:31 PM No.24534557
>>24534548
I just hate that reading has been reduced to fat old white women wanting to be consoled for their life decisions. That’s what you do for another demographic.
Replies: >>24534558
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:48:16 PM No.24534558
>>24534557
>That’s what you do for another demographic.
And I have a ton of fun doing it! Plus it pays the bills
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:49:20 PM No.24534560
>comes to slop thread
>has a meltie about slop
Lol
Replies: >>24534562 >>24534565
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:49:46 PM No.24534561
>>24532618
Haven't seen any big Naruto crossovers, that should be a popular one. In fact I'm working on one for a very similar reason as you want. RWBY crossover, but it's Amy, Lisa, Taylor and Victoria isekaing into each one of the color girls. Any recent-ish superhero sloppa like invincible or the boys or even MHA. WH40k crossovers are usually a blast. A Sanderslop Stormlight Archive crossover. You've got your arcs cut out for you: Taylor has to reject the error of her utilitarian ways and accept the "journey before destination" morality that goes on in that universe. I don't a fucking no-powers AU crossover with Dota 2 where Taylor is a bullied teenager in 2011 that retreats into videogames and meets some new friends (the undersiders) who then form a professional e-sports team and get to touch Gabe Newell's beard when they win the first ever The International and 1000000 dollars to split between them.

The other anon is right though, just pick whatever you like, and write it. So long as you write a big fic, and the quality is good, you'll get your viewers. Ideas are cheap, execution is everything.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:50:16 PM No.24534562
>>24534560
My favourite writer is China Mieville. I think you guys should read him.
Tolkien is the wen on the arse of fantasy literature. His oeuvre is massive and contagious—you can't ignore it, so don't even try. The best you can do is consciously try to lance the boil. And there's a lot to dislike—his cod-Wagnerian pomposity, his boys-own-adventure glorying in war, his small-minded and reactionary love for hierarchical status-quos, his belief in absolute morality that blurs moral and political complexity. Tolkien's clichés—elves 'n' dwarfs 'n' magic rings—have spread like viruses. He wrote that the function of fantasy was 'consolation', thereby making it an article of policy that a fantasy writer should mollycoddle the reader.

That is a revolting idea, and one, thankfully, that plenty of fantasists have ignored. From the Surrealists through the pulps—via Mervyn Peake and Mikhael Bulgakov and Stefan Grabiński and Bruno Schulz and Michael Moorcock and M. John Harrison and I could go on—the best writers have used the fantastic aesthetic precisely to challenge, to alienate, to subvert and undermine expectations.
Replies: >>24534565
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:52:45 PM No.24534565
>>24534560
>literally one minute apart:
>>24534562
This is a bot
Replies: >>24534570 >>24534580
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:54:42 PM No.24534570
>>24534565
Sorry you find it hard to type fast, self-pubbers must be mentally deficient.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:56:57 PM No.24534580
>>24534565
Best proof it's a troll, can't write anything of actual substance so it has to ask for an AI for help.
>inb4 em dashes —_—
Replies: >>24534583 >>24534585
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:57:52 PM No.24534583
>>24534580
in defense of the em dash i set up a macbook autocorrect, i just love that little guy too much
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:58:50 PM No.24534585
IMG_4541
IMG_4541
md5: 8f2844703cd1636808ce499d85f18362🔍
>>24534580
It’s a copy paste of a famous quote. You probably use AI to “write” your slop.
Replies: >>24534594 >>24534600
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 7:59:04 PM No.24534587
I am admittedly unpublished and haven't even posted my webslop yet but what's supposed to be the appeal of publishing with a magazine? The idea doesn't appeal to me at all
Replies: >>24534593 >>24534606
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:00:53 PM No.24534593
>>24534587
Quality over quantity of words. It’s about wordsmithery.
Replies: >>24534615
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:00:55 PM No.24534594
>>24534585
Nobody cares for what this generic leftist "intellectual" has to say.
Replies: >>24534596
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:01:56 PM No.24534596
>>24534594
He has a PhD from a top UK institution. Who the fuck are you?
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:02:47 PM No.24534600
>>24534585
You talk as if AI couldn't quote.
Also the writers here probably write more words in a week than you did in your whole—academic—life.
Replies: >>24534601
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:03:52 PM No.24534601
>>24534600
Quality over quantity of words. I’m a wordsmith. A poet. You are a gong farmer.
Replies: >>24534607
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:04:48 PM No.24534606
>>24534587
Theoretically you would get more preemptive visibility and clout to quickstart a webnovel if you had an appearance in these magazines
Replies: >>24534608
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:05:06 PM No.24534607
>>24534601
you're picking fights and trolling in a slop thread on 4channel
whoever you are, things aren't going great for you
Replies: >>24534612
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:05:43 PM No.24534608
>>24534606
All the magazines are connected to dedicated discords and you can share your web novel in them.
Replies: >>24534616 >>24534622
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:06:45 PM No.24534612
>>24534607
Gong farmer feels attacked, eh? I shan’t blame you. You must—deep down—detest your own mediocrity.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:07:30 PM No.24534615
>>24534593
That isn't my impression. It sounds more like appeasing some fickle team behind the magazine with arbitrary tastes acting as a filter between my work and readers. This middle man isn't necessary and any illusion of offering a more curated selection is only relevant to the reader.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:07:39 PM No.24534616
>>24534608
>All the magazines are connected to dedicated discords
No wonder that published academics and discord trannies are connected.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:08:42 PM No.24534622
>>24534608
Maybe you could siphon their readers to your novel without making any official contract, editors would seethe.
Replies: >>24534632
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:08:56 PM No.24534623
I should start a slop magazine
Replies: >>24534625 >>24534637
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:09:36 PM No.24534625
>>24534623
>The weekly slop
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:11:17 PM No.24534632
>>24534622
You can post in their discords without publishing in their magazines. They have self pubbers in them. I saw an anime profile picture talk about their Shonenshit webnovel. Not sure if they have readers.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:11:18 PM No.24534633
>paid by magazines
what's the magazine's business model?
Replies: >>24534634 >>24534636 >>24534642
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:12:22 PM No.24534634
>>24534633
Patreon and donations, just like web novels
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:12:58 PM No.24534636
>>24534633
They get Mossad shekels for being transgressive and subverting expectations (of straight white males).
Replies: >>24534639 >>24534793
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:13:12 PM No.24534637
>>24534623
A slopzine anthology that bundles multiple authors' patreon chapters for a small discount could work publicity and revenue-wise
Replies: >>24534641
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:13:46 PM No.24534639
>>24534636
They have subscribers from Patreon just like web novelists Kek
They’re two sides of the same coin
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:14:57 PM No.24534641
>>24534637
The only problem is you need to pay for cover art and maybe audiobooks. ElevenLabs solves the latter.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:15:14 PM No.24534642
18583858
18583858
md5: 88aab0d3d0612f7063252c634d03fe7c🔍
>>24534633
Certainly not gentile-oriented
Replies: >>24534649 >>24534651 >>24534654
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:15:59 PM No.24534647
So the only difference is the illusion of legitimacy via """curation""" by a handful of power-tripping dudes? Seems like a lot of empty pageantry to me.
Replies: >>24534670
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:16:18 PM No.24534649
>>24534642
>muh culture war
2016 was almost ten years ago, dude. move on.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:17:00 PM No.24534651
>>24534642
Btw I just clicked on one of those linked magazines and read a random author's bio
Replies: >>24534653
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:17:44 PM No.24534652
I mean if you like writing artsy stuff and submitting to magazines go for it, I really don't care what method anyone chooses for publishing
If you write SFF long form though, royalroad is far and away the best choice. Unless you can somehow get trad pubbed, which is worth trying if it interests you and using RR as a fallback
Replies: >>24534659
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:17:50 PM No.24534653
>>24534651
Whites are a minority.
Replies: >>24534681
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:19:07 PM No.24534654
>>24534642
What the hell is a biracial black/white fantasy
Replies: >>24534656
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:19:39 PM No.24534656
>>24534654
A single mother is what she is.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:20:47 PM No.24534659
>>24534652
Is the readership on RoyalRoad or KDP willing to read anything they wouldn’t be comfortable with? A big part of trad pub that I like is you can force people to read through prestige. I only want to do that to push the envelope and innovate. But it’s harder to get noticed in RoyalRoad where you’re one of thousands of posters, and they usually dropped my novel after the first chapter.
Replies: >>24534666 >>24534684
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:24:43 PM No.24534666
>>24534659
Obviously slop readers will only read slop
If you're writing something that pushes the envelop and innovates, you belong in /wg/, why are you in the web novel sloppa thread?
Replies: >>24534673
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:26:02 PM No.24534670
>>24534647
The curation brings in thousands of readers per magazine. Clarkesworld has 14,000 visitors to their website a month.
Replies: >>24534674 >>24534682
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:27:03 PM No.24534673
>>24534666
They’re all self pubbers and crabs. They hate magazines too
Replies: >>24534684
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:27:18 PM No.24534674
>>24534670
>Clarkesworld has 14,000 visitors to their website a month.
omg lol even i have more active readers than that, seriously?
Replies: >>24534678
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:28:28 PM No.24534678
>>24534674
Sorry I got mixed up with audiobook listeners
> Clarkesworld magazine has approximately 42,000 unique web visitors per month, according to Jason Sanford. They also have 14,000 podcast listeners and 3,800 digital subscribers. In the past, they estimated around 30,000 unique visitors per month, according to the SF Encyclopedia
Replies: >>24534687
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:28:55 PM No.24534681
>>24534653
When even the race of authors and characters are curated to appear in these new age outlets, it's really not any different from google books' storefront huh
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:28:56 PM No.24534682
>>24534670
thought you said quality > quantity?

checkmate
Replies: >>24534690
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:29:31 PM No.24534684
1752075067210660
1752075067210660
md5: 08ccadccd8522a1e6ec3b5b179a2263c🔍
>>24534659
Web novel readers are a fickle type, there's a meta for RR, but you'll have to power through regardless.
Someone can break through with a more innovate type, but that's going against the grain, so to speak.
>>24534673
Don't we all hate how our pincers feel on the keyboard?
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:31:19 PM No.24534687
>>24534678
So what? I had 20k visitors/readers when I was writing the most banal shit on gaiaonline
how many are actually actively engaging with the work? how many are recommending stuff via word of mouth? a magazine readership feels so remote
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:31:43 PM No.24534689
>40k visitors per month
how many will actually read my story if it gets in though? i know there's no stats for that but there's no way people are reading every story in the magazine. getting "published" probably means like 20 readers via this route, no thanks
Replies: >>24534694
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:31:52 PM No.24534690
>>24534682
Web novel readers just leave comments about typos and how much they want the book to be their own way. Magazine readers respect their authors and write entire treatises analysing the depths of fiction and philosophy themselves and tying it back to the authors’ words.
Replies: >>24534693 >>24534722
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:32:46 PM No.24534693
>>24534690
i can't believe someone this pretentious is actually hanging out in the webnovel thread looooool
>but /wg/ hates me too
i mean...
Replies: >>24534695
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:33:38 PM No.24534694
>>24534689
The magazine communities are actually good, all things considered, it’s only the politics that get in the way but that’s usually from small vocal groups. Lots of readers will share your work or write essays on them. It’s more about contemplation and reviewing works, rather than comments and likes.
Replies: >>24534722
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:34:40 PM No.24534695
>>24534693
If you don’t like reading or thinking, what’s the point of writing?
Replies: >>24534699
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:36:06 PM No.24534699
>>24534695
i love reading, i bet I read way more than you
i just don't like most lit stuff. certainly not amateur lit published in those tiny magazines. i'll pick up a piece of famous literature on occasion, but mostly I like reading fun stuff
Replies: >>24534705
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:36:21 PM No.24534700
Why are we getting raided?
Replies: >>24534702 >>24534708
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:36:49 PM No.24534702
>>24534700
It's just one guy
Replies: >>24534714
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:36:57 PM No.24534705
>>24534699
Reading slop isn’t reading
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:37:27 PM No.24534708
>>24534700
they wanted us to make a containment thread, we did, a month passed, they realized they literally cannot exist without getting into 4channel writing arguments constantly, and followed us.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:38:35 PM No.24534714
>>24534702
Slop pig can’t defend his life decisions so he cries about muh raids from one boogeyman
Many people hate self pubbing. You do too by the fact you probably never pay for self published books on Amazon. You shit out garbage you’d never pay for.
Replies: >>24534718
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:39:27 PM No.24534718
>>24534714
>Slop pig
Oink
Replies: >>24534726
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:40:20 PM No.24534722
>>24534690
>>24534694
>whole communities of avid loyal readers making essays and presentations for a speculative anon's short story
Delusional. You seem so enamored with the concept of magazine publishing it's like you're under a bridge trying to sell marihuana to everyone who passes by on the way to work on their web serials, on a web serial general nonetheless.
Replies: >>24534735
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:40:48 PM No.24534726
IMG_4532
IMG_4532
md5: 4c7ae6eb4d5d6faf4f55e3b93cfc6939🔍
>>24534718
JG Ballard was an artist. You aren’t even a craftsman. Do not denigrate writing with your tripe.
Replies: >>24534730
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:41:40 PM No.24534730
>>24534726
Oink oink
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:42:13 PM No.24534735
>>24534722
You’re the one waiting for a badge achievement from RoyalRoad after another person comments “needs more fae romance”
Replies: >>24534740
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:42:21 PM No.24534736
>Can't even pretend being another person for more than one post
A true wordsmith
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:42:51 PM No.24534740
>>24534735
It's kind of funny how obvious it is that you know nothing about rr
Replies: >>24534746
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:44:31 PM No.24534746
>>24534740
I posted like 5 serials on there
Despite what anons said I wrote prolifically on royal road; it’s just no one enjoyed my style of writing. To be a dick, I am very literate and I think I filter people with my high vocabulary and verbal flourishes.
Replies: >>24534749 >>24534760
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:45:43 PM No.24534749
>>24534746
you probably didn't meet their standards, they only settle for the best prose and themes
Replies: >>24534753
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:46:45 PM No.24534753
>>24534749
So magazines are buying up my stories like hotcakes because I’m too shit for RoyalRoad?
Replies: >>24534759
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:47:34 PM No.24534759
>>24534753
Yes, magazines have low standards
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:47:34 PM No.24534760
>>24534746
You're clearly too highbrow for this thread and should go to /wg/ where the true intellectuals congregate and stay there
Replies: >>24534770
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:49:03 PM No.24534770
>>24534760
No. I shan’t be going there. I have a general I hang out in that know about taste and dignity.
Replies: >>24534772
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:49:29 PM No.24534772
>>24534770
you should check out the royalroad forums
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:50:04 PM No.24534779
i just want to write my silly elf story
Replies: >>24534787
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:51:32 PM No.24534787
>>24534779
Do it
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:52:54 PM No.24534793
IMG_4542
IMG_4542
md5: d1fd5abaec199b79377e1fdac3838a0b🔍
>>24534636
Said the dude self publishing on Israeli websites.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:55:51 PM No.24534802
Spring Sunrise at Hōrai 1881
Spring Sunrise at Hōrai 1881
md5: b2da02c92d1d9bf16c5dd0c2ddcea12f🔍
don't mind me, lads
working on a killer outline right now
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 9:09:13 PM No.24534854
>>24534852
>>24534852
>>24534852

Get in here