"No killing goblins!!!" edition

Previous >>24544309

>What is Web Novel General?
A general for readers and authors involved or interested in the growing phenomenon of 'web novels', serialized English fiction posted to websites such as: Royalroad, Webnovel, Scribblehub, Wattpad, Archive of Our Own, Spacebattles, HFY, various personal author websites, and more

>Why read web novels?
Not for prose or tight editing or deep themes, frankly. As a whole, web novels are infamous for content sprawl and pacing issues. If you enjoy having millions of words to sink your teeth into to get to know the world and characters, though, you may be interested. Keeping up with other readers on a weekly basis to discuss the story's events unfolding is another perk, in the same way discussing an ongoing TV show might be.

>Why write web novels?
Ease of access & potential for Patreon earnings. Many successful authors gain an audience on their website of choice and funnel their readers into a Patreon. See https://graphtreon.com/top-patreon-creators/writing for an idea of what some are earning.
Also, once an author has earned a fanbase, transitioning into an Amazon self-publishing career is several orders of magnitude easier than starting 'dry'.

> Advice for Noobs!

Running your story like the business it is:
https://www.royalroad.com/forums/thread/116847

On writing webserials:
https://alexanderwales.com/how-to-write-a-web-serial/

Sanderson's Writing lectures 2025:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEUh_y1IFZY&list=PLSH_xM-KC3ZvzkfVo_Dls0B5GiE2oMcLY

inb4 "the wandering inn sucks"

the wandering inn sucks

You guys don't need more of these gong threads up. Time to call it quits.

FFF-Anon here, why not add a pastebin in the OP with all our novels listed?
Link at this post yours.

>>24547292
There's also the kaiju and yellow typhoon stories

After a certain point doesn't association with 4chan just become an albatross?

>>24547374
I got a list I stole from a certain anonymous stalker a few threads back, and cleaned it up to active anons, but I don't know if everyone wants to be linked to this thread.
I know you, archetypeanon, rabbitanon, flyanon and blacksunanon are probably fine as they usually post their work here.

>>24547385
If you want to leave here, you can. We welcome it, in fact. Ride or die with 4chan.

>>24547385
Stop being paranoid. Writers are supposed to be deranged schizos.

>>24547385
>Implying we're gonna make it
But seriously it can if your audience is particularly the reddit type, but I guess most wouldn't care.

>>24547374
>>24547387
It might be different if the pastebin is just there and not shilled, but there are crabs in these threads who leave half star reviews.

I would say a pastebin is okay if you only put in people who want to be put in.

>>24547394
4chan is inherently anti-commercial and hipster

>>24547387
Good, post it, and then we’ll ask the other anons for their consent. For the next thread, we’ll include it in the OP.
>>24547399
Sure.

>>24547374
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/117925/the-yellow-typhoon-and-the-final-waltz

>>24547403
To be honest, I would prefer not to until anons express their consent, but you got mine (the Kaiju story).
>>24547374
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/117925/the-yellow-typhoon-and-the-final-waltz

>>24547374
Fine, we'll keep that in mind next time, or whoever has the mental initiative and time on their hand. But who runs the pastebin, who owns the password?

Certainly not me?

Open bin and trolls will have a field day, or do you suggest a disposable but maybe weekly updateable list? Dunno, never used it much

>>24547412
I'm a dumb fuck
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/119135/transmigrated-as-a-mech-i-now-fight-kaiju

>>24547401
So why are you here, sir ackshually?

>>24547420
I can keep it, but I'll only include whoever asks for it. And I'll remove if someone wants.

>>24547420
Alright, I’ll do it, but my link’s going at the top!!!

>>24547426
Trollin'

>>24547430
So.. ya doing it? Or do I?

/wng/ Daily Quest

>reply to start your timer
>write your slop
>24 hours later reply with a reaction + report based on your progress toward the goal

Word goal of the day:
>1200 words
Quote of the day:
>"Skill is practice + Talent"

>>24547455
You’re free to do it. Our posts were only 20 seconds apart, and I posted mine thinking no one else was going to step up.

Roll call for anons to ask their works to be linked!
https://rentry.co/q43n8y9k

>>24547481
Good Job.

>why yes I'm giving each story posted a follow & review just because 4chan is my preferred in-group how did you know?

>>24547487
I’m going to do this after I finish my second volume.
In ten years, we’re going to be a cabal running the entire slop industry from the shadows.

>>24547492
Sloppers on Steroids

>>24547487
I've linked my story in these threads twice and didn't even get one (you)

>>24547500
Here mine.

>>24547500
The maid story? I plan to read it.

>>24547481
Please add mine
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/99616/superflux

>>24547412
Just read all of this. That's it?

>>24547519
Sorry, I was dumb linked the wrong story, that was another anon's work. If you're talking about the Kaiju one, yes, that's all.

>>24547522
No I was talking about yellow, I'm reading the kaiju one now.

>>24547487
literally me

>>24547519
That's it. The end. I'm in the deep trenches writing its sequel outline right now, I expect it to be novellaish length. Soon(tm)

>>24547481
What’s the worst that could happen?
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/93931/born-under-a-black-sun

>>24547487
someone did this, I have a favorite from someone on here

so if I can get a positive reaction, you can too, anon! don't be shy and post that story!

>>24547459
Why does the word goal keep growing...
I'll try doe

500 words to go.

>>24547565
Because the endgame is 2k a day. That lets you make sure the backlog is constantly growing.

>>24547459
>>24547565
>The year is 5025 A.D. (Anno Domini)
>the slopchads of /wng/ have, over time, inadvertently trained/conditioned themselves to write 20 million words a day (without the assistance of Artificial Intelligence on their Thinking Machines) through an ancient, peculiar, and oftentimes brutal ritual game

>>24547522
>>24547524
Okay now I read kaiju.
That's it?/s
Reading these two today I realized I have no idea what makes something good writing or even interesting to me. I know when it is interesting in retrospect, but I'd waste my time right now trying to say what it takes. Reading Starship Operators, or Crest/Banner of the Stars, or even Knight's & Magic (the weakest of the three) I feel a pull, it just works and makes me wanna keep reading. I read these two out of a sense of obligation, not interest. And now I can't explain what wasn't working for me. I don't think there was anything technically wrong, or at least not notably so. I like the subject matter. The length wasn't obnoxious. If I went off vibes I could maybe say it was sauceless? As in, things happened but they weren't particularly interesting things or weren't being told in an interesting way. I'm not saying this to be mean, but I also don't know how you could fix this (I don't write).
>>24547551
Above largely applies to you too. Maybe I could say I can see the inspiration but I can't feel the love for the subject? I don't know, and I don't feel good casting aspersions upon you two so I'll quit here.

>>24547481
https://moonquillnovels.com/book/panics-present

International financial conspiracy.

>>24547582
I do get what you're saying, as I too have abandoned many web novels out of lack of interest. I think writing a captivating story is a craft that takes time and practice to develop. I wrote and posted Kaiju more of restlessness than anything, it was the first work I finished exactly because of the interest part: none of my works felt interesting.
I do appreciate your feedback, and I hope I can do better in my next story.
>>24547585
Oh, that's a new one.

>>24547559
Just read the first chapter.
>On the nineteenth day of the month of Waning Winter, Teren’s master was summoned before Halfbones.
Good, interesting. The entire first chapter DID have some sauce. I read lines and felt like I wanted to know more. I felt some Earthsea vibes perhaps?
>“Also,” said Rotwood. “You’re going to feel drained, weak, tired. This is a result of the mountain air, hard to breathe for outsiders. Some theorize this is caused by an ancient galecasting curse. The higher you go, the worse it gets.”
Also good, sells me some tone. As a reader I go "it's altitude sickness" but in universe they have their own logic, and are thinking within the confines of this world's philosophy, it's interesting. The conversations are working both at telling me about the world and showing off the characters in an interesting way. I sort of dislike that they talk like casual modern people but I understand why they wouldn't do otherwise. I also feel a bit of Sabriel plus the Earthsea vibes mentioned previously without feeling like someone is doing a reference or homage. I'll catch up later, but this got a follow.

>>24547562
>>>24547487
>someone did this, I have a favorite from someone on here
>so if I can get a positive reaction, you can too, anon! don't be shy and post that story!
>be me
true story.
I was here, in a previous thread of this.
I got the usual, you suck I can tell by your posts.
I was in a saucy mood, and responded several times. I was pontificating, showing I had a vocabulary and could write.
Some anon watching all the antics? Must have been entertained by my spastic autistic take on everything. So, that anon goes and reads a chapter of mine. Pronounced back in the thread? That my writing was doing better than he thought, for an undiscovered self-taught hack (which is what i am)
That autistic drinking and posting night? Got me my only real review an a quick sentence or two. I got my five stars though, and it was a really cool night. It, like, restored my faith in humanity and shit.

>>24547428
This should be the standard. I have written LGB-marketed stuff before so it would be nice to keep posting here while maintaining plausible deniability from terminally online canceltards

>>24547645
Yeah, I don't want to ruin someone's career and neither feel unwelcome to post their writing out of fear of being on *the list* forever.

The Wandering Inn author was born male, right?

I'm surprised most of the fictions written by anons here are almost all in fairly different genres. I think I only noticed two superhero-related works and even the "fantasy" stories seem like very different interpretations of that term.
It's the opposite in a lot of other web fiction communities I've lurked in

>>24547673
AGFAB
Assigned Gong Farmer at Birth

>>24547675
Because we’re not Indian bots, and we don’t write following an algorithm to follow current trends.

>>24547615
Glad you found it interesting. I did read the first Earthsea book, but that was when I was super young. To be honest my biggest fictional setting inspiration is probably the world of Bionicle, especially with the elements and masks. I also wanted to take more of a Malazan approach and not waste much time dropping the cast into adventure, without going full lore autism and making it completely unreadable.
To to be honest, I don't have the skill set to make natural sounding medieval dialogue. My cope is that I consider the Sainted Tongue to be a vastly different language from English that has been translated for a 21st century audience.
Thanks for the follow!

>>24547680
ok but actually funny post from the troll

>>24547675
We have writers from all backgrounds gravitating to this same abyss as we are tasked with bringing about a new age of slopluminism. It is but a bad joke to think /wng/ generals being deleted by bitter jannies weeks ago are now among the fastest threads in /lit/slums defaced with peterson bait threads.

>>24547577
>Slopgods will be the founding fathers of the Mentat program once the Day of the Magnet arrives

>>24547565
I would probably settle in lower wordcounts to stimulate casual participation, akin to actual "daily quests", but by design no matter the goal it'll be improbable to finish it 100% of the time, the point is that you'll rejoice the further you can write. There's no reward other than intrinsic self-achievement because anybody can lie about it on the internet, but nobody can lie to themselves.
>>24547459
Setting the timer while chilling to this https://youtu.be/emZqxC4Oymo

Heads I spend time writing, tails I take an adderall and spend the entire day hunting down review swappers.

>>24547811
*cracks knuckles*
Okay it's fricken time to get mind raped by chatgpt reviews for the next 8 hours until I lose my grip on reality.

>>24547814
Godspeed

Goddamn making individual characters sound different from each other is so fucking hard.

>>24547811
I personally use nootropics and aromatherapy like a drug addict when writing. Does it work? Maybe, maybe not. Try out some Rhodiola Rosea and tell me how it went.

>>24547811
>>24547814
Why even bother going for rankings? Who even checks that shit, unless you’re the top 100. Not to mention you aren't getting actual feedback, and rather just mindless praise.

>>24547822
Fittingly, samey voices is something that has me insta dropping a bunch of stuff. It's a great canary in the coal mine for author skill

this has quickly become the most active general on the board

400 words to go

>>24547850
wg was faster, it just isn't anymore

>>24547850
>go to /wg/
>post your own writing
>get bucket crabbed to hell and back, nobody will read more than a page of your work, mentally ill discord trannies AKA unrealies just talk about their circle jerk, and 90% of posters don’t even bother to read other posts in the thread because they’re all masturbatory narcissists
Yeah I'm shocked to hear /wg/ is losing posters.

Does the ability to get a lot of (You)s on social media translate into writing ability or vice versa?

>>24547420
Just make a one time pastebin. No edits. Then replace it with a new one each time it gets outdated. Easy.

>>24547481
>list by followers
can you put mine in but not at the top? Other anons newer works should have priority.
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/63818/the-crow-and-the-rabbit

>>24547979
I for one think you should go first, so people visiting the thread see what a success story looks like

>>24547982
Yeah this anon's story is pretty solid. You just remember it "exists" even when it's not mentioned in the thread, because that's a pretty good bar to set

>>24547979
Well, your choice really, I had to sort somehow and followers seemed a fair way.
Is under Unlucky Antagonist fine or you want another position.
>>24547982
Also this, agreed.

>>24547982
I like crow's story

>5k+ word chapter written, edited, and posted all in under 24 hours
I’m slopping hard as fuck right now. Is this truly the power of dialogue and combat focused writing?

>>24547354 (OP)
Can you write a web novel if all you've ever read is typical traditionally published books/classic literature and don't know any of the tropes expected of them that well?

>>24548010
Sure, but expectations of web novels differ from those of traditional pubs; Continuous and frequents updates and a story that can catch readers by the first chapter.
It's wise to read some stories to get the feel of the scene, at least the first book of some.

>>24548010
Most people who write web novels don’t even read. They just watch Solo Leveling scenes on TikTok. Write what you want to write and focus on that before gaining an audience. Worst comes to worst you finish your story with five followers, and then you still can selfpub on Amazon

>>24548019
>Most people who write web novels don’t even read.
most people who write (successful) webnovels read so much fucking slop you wouldn't believe it. where does this strange belief of yours come from?

>>24548068
Most people who write webnovels are not successful, this is where your confusion arises. Of course any talented writer is also reading

>>24547582
>but I can't feel the love for the subject?
ohhhh..........;;

>>24548096
Don't be sad anon, I did feel your love for Gundam). Neo sapiens are like the New type, Tominosky and Minovsky particles, mechas with swords...
And your writing showed me that you had a bunch of ideas for the lore, but they were too many to fit in the short story structure.

why is harem a staple in japan but not really a thing on RR?

>>24548082
my confusion arises from the fact you responded to
>Can you write a web novel if
with
>Most people who write web novels don’t even read.
unless you're taking the autism angle, clearly anon was asking "can you write a successful web novel if". and your response implies yes, of course you can, web novel authors don't even read any books, so if all you've read is trad pub you're ahead of the game! which is wrong

>>24548144
because the west doesn't like harems. which i agree with. i hate them, a good monogamous romance is much better
if you're asking why Japanese men like harem, no clue

um so guys i found the discord cabal that's doing all the review swapping..

>>24548158
review swapping doesn't even have a point anymore. it doesn't affect the Rising Stars algorithm.
well, there's a tiny amount of value in doing 5 review swaps so that you get "get an official rating" after you first launch and look pretty to new readers, I guess. But you can get that naturally. and you can't cheese RS with it anymore so the value is minimal

the real problem is the shoutout swapping discord faggotry, because it means anyone not doing that is forced to buy an ad. it killed organic RS runs

>>24548144
I find that there is a rather substantial amount of works on RR that feature basically assexual characters (not as in sexuality but in the lack of romantic partners). Guess in the west, you're more likely of being mocked or disliked if you write unnatural romantic relationships, while Japan has been a pretty much sexless country for decades.
Also, I don't really want to say that, but I guess that you would be called an incel (hate how banal it became) if you feature a harem.

>>24548162
The review swapping mainly annoys me because it invalidates the point of reviews when you are inundated with ai/generic ones from someone who hasn't read more than 5 chapters. I wonder what the actual click through rate is on those shoutouts. Even if it's lower than ad's it still gives another source of possible readers so I can see the issue.

>>24548144
Puritanism. It's a scar on the American collective consciousness, regardless of politics and class Americans are very very very weird about sex and sexuality. The Japanese (and even Koreans and Chinese) largely see the harem as "wow, wouldn't that be great?! All these beautiful women salivating over my cock!" but Americans have a lot of hangups over regular sex with even one woman, or even nudity in media. It's not surprising.

>>24548144
It's a genre for teenage boys, which anime is mostly aimed towards. I have tried reading a few stories that had the harem tag and they always read like it was made by a teenager who has never spoken to a woman. That being said, if it was done well I could see myself enjoying it. I think you'll have to work against the stigma, collecting a reader base of teenage boys until it starts to attract other people. Like Mushoku Tensei.

Forgot to mention that not only are you working against a stigma but you have a reader base of plebbit types who will froth at the mouth like rabid dogs because they are whiteknight wamen 'respecters'. Fuck, now I want to write some really misogynistic harem fantasy just to spite them. Maybe this is the way?

>>24548240
>misogynistic harem fantasy
Conan was written almost 100 years ago, you're late to the party.

>>24548243
The best time to write a misogynistic harem fantasy was almost 100 years ago, the second best time is now.

>>24548248
True. And it would be a good contrast to Japanese harems where the authors are overwhelmingly white knights who think women are perfect and beautiful and must be served by men.

>>24548144
This question but the cute girls doing cute things genre.

>>24548010
Yes, as long as you're writing for your own creative outlet and not as an attempt to get rich from patreonbux. If you do want patreonbux youve gotta hit all the slop tropes dead on.

>>24548243
Did conan pull harem slop or just sleep with a lot of women and then move on to the next one Bond style?

>>24548269
Cute aggression.

>>24548285
not necessarily true. there are stories that aren't slopmaxxing that make money. you can make a living off genuine writing but it's a crapshot
like any art, if you want to turn it into a job you have to think like a jobbie

i will write a bisexual female lead character who builds a harem of goth bitches and cute twinks and everyone will love her because she's literally me(if I was a woman)(i'm not tho)

>>24548289
more than a living even, Years of the Apocalypse is making $100k+ and it hasn't even stubbed yet, which I assume it'll do when it's done. and that's not litrpg or cultivation slop, it's just fantasy timeloop stuff
so long as there's a power fantasy aspect and the writing is good, regular fantasy slop can make it. but the bar for good writing is much higher if you choose that path

>>24548144
Because the litrpg harem autists are rabid enough to pay money directly for your ebook based on nothing but the title + ai generated big boobs cover image. No need to give it away for free when you can make money dumping it straight on amazon / KU.

>>24548301
the haremlit subgenre is so funny to me
im surprised they didn't take over scribblehub with the serial->amazon pipeline. the only reason they aren't on royalroad afaik is the strict smut guidelines, which SH doesnt have

>>24548301
Tomb Divers is fun. It's kind of like The Mummy with Brendan Fraser meets Warhammer Fantasy.

>>24547979
>get under mine
I LOFE YOU RABBIT-ANON

>>24548362
Alright i will add this haremslop to my ereader's storage. I might even read it post my thoughts in sffg

my friend says he enjoys reading so I went ahead and recommended him some web novels but he told me he only reads visual novels. i don't get why. either watch an anime or read a novel. why would you want something in between that satisfies neither? why sit there left clicking on your pc to see the png change when you can read comfortably on the couch or in bed? i just don't get it. do any of you like them? can you explain why it's good to me? (inb4 h-scenes)

>>24548420
muv luv is the only good one desu, if you can manage to avoid 20 years of spoilers. first 2 danganronpa games were also decent in that regard if you also managed to avoid a whole decade of spoilers. DR1's bombshell at the end was truly something to go in blind to.

>>24544309
Seems like every novel fucks up in the middle somewhere, why is it so hard for them to retain a consistent standard of quality?

>>24547673
Where tf do you guys get this information

>>24548420
>Cute twink (not femboy) love interests
i will now read your slop

>>24548500
I've heard anon ruining their stories by following readers' advice

>>24548500
Imagine slaving away on week by week basis, juggling real life problems, mental illness, and financial concern. How do you not fuck up. I

>>24548301
>>24548144
It would be so nice to just goon out and write harem slop. Unfortunately I am severely autistic, and I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t get far because every woman in the harem would just be muscular with huge tits and a dominate mommy personality. I had to actually catch myself, I went back to an early chapter in my non-coom story to touch up the tone and realized I had a one off character who was just a naked muscular evil sorceress woman who danced around and lightly flirted with the protagonist after nearly killing him.
Which is way hornier than the tone I was going for, I mean I show this shit to people I know IRL. I still kept the scene but I toned down how entranced the protag got by her.
Maybe later on down the road I’ll add a true femme fatale. Who knows

>>24548528
There was a non harem romanceslop about a 7 foot tall muscle orc gf that got popular on those goonbook communities.
If you write well enough you can find a space to sell to readers with your same niche fetish.

>>24548420
a good story is a good story.
Visual novels have audio elements of anime(music, voice acting if they are new) without the length limitations(muvluv, as mentioned, is a nearly 100+ hour experience for the base trilogy) through the information capacity of text works.

>>24548431
i enjoyed Root Double a great amount. Grisaia is also pretty good.

>>24548523
Mental illness is the special sauce though

>>24548420
I've not tried them myself, but I imagine part of it is the branching paths and multiple versions of the story that are available.

>>24548144
>why is harem a staple in japan but not really a thing on RR?
Because RR is full of simps and roasties.

I've written over 12 thousand words over the past few days, but I'm basically vomiting out words according to my outline and hoping I will be able to actually make it good in revision. Is this a viable strategy? Or am I being retarded, and should I try to write better in my first go around?

>>24548758
editing is easier than writing
I envy you

>>24548004
>dialogue and combat focused writing
I just imained 10 solid pages of parrying and blocking and fireball charging set to dialog like "you will never uncover the true power that lurks within yourself, boy!" and my stomach churned upside down like roadkill under an 18 wheeler.

But good for you. 5k words.

>>24548774
>>>24548758
>editing is easier than writing
>I envy you
proofing and editing and sequencing a trad novel? Take me at least as much time if not more, than writing the first draft. I used to bang away typing faster, but I learned to curb many of my usual typos in first draft. Also, forcing myself to quick-proof every couple paragraphs, saves a lot of editing time.

Slopchads... I fell asleep instead of posting.
I've dishonored my entire family.
;_;7

>>24548758
Everybody has a different process so just find something that works for you.
I do something similar and treat what you just described as my zeroth draft. Like me, you may need to do significantly more revisions and editing passes. It sounds less efficient but I find the idea of efficiency and optimisation in the sense of writing output overrated anyway. Inefficiency might even be preferable if you'd otherwise be obsessing over word choice and style (i.e. third draft problems) while getting nothing on the page.
If you're interested, I can share my objectives for each revision/draft but I'm sure you'll feel out your own unique process at some point too

>>24548878
Please do, I'm very interested

>>24548774
>editing is easier than writing
If that's what you think then you aren't taking editing as seriously as you should.

>>24548947
I stand by the statement. editing is 100% easier then writing. every aspect of writing a story, from plotting, to characterization, to line level word choice, it's all easier in a second draft
writing a first draft without getting distracted by XYZ detail and trusting in the drafting process is so much immensely easier than trying to get it right on the first go. I wish I had more faith in the process because it can be like pulling teeth to get a raw skeleton down and editing it is so incredibly smooth and easy

>>24548962
>It's easier because..I've twisted it to sound easier in my head
Well, nothing I can say to that.

>>24548882
Sure, hopefully it inspires your own unique process.

>Outline
I don't slavishly follow stuff like the Snowflake Method for scenes or Swain's Scene-Sequel structure (Scene = Goal-Conflict-Disaster; Sequel = Reaction-Dilemma-Decision) but do use them to get started. I also jot down some "meta"/IRL objectives like what I want to reveal/explain to the characters and/or audience or misdirect them with etc

>Zeroth Draft
Get everything out without any self-editing/self-censoring/self-judgment even if it's a disjointed mess with on-the-nose dialogue snippets, placeholders, and terrible prose. Some people call this an exploratory or discovery draft but it sounds a bit too much like daydreaming to me which is what I'm already doing when I'm not writing. I prefer to think of this like importing a giant block of raw material from my brain to the page.

>First Draft
I'm expanding and clarifying all my ideas after giving them time to percolate, filling research gaps, developing dialogue (even if it's still very on-the-nose at this point), getting deeper, etc. Some people call this a developmental draft. I don't care about flow here, only content.

>Second Draft
Some people call this a structural draft or edit. The main thing is (re)organising the narrative, moving shit around and ensuring stuff is connecting causally with appropriate transitions, turning points, etc. I will constantly revisit and consult my outline here to make sure the logic is sound and serves everybody's aims. I also start removing dead weight through cutting and merging scenes if they better suit the structure. If "and then..." was the aim of the First Draft, I'm now looking for "because..."

>Third Draft
I'm honing and polishing here. Word choice, sentence structure, rhythm, voice, tone, grammar, etc etc. Besides cutting down further, I'm also actively trying to "hide my working" with more subtle use of subtext etc (which in itself is a form of honing I guess). I think some people consider this line editing.

In reality, I sometimes mix and match, revisit steps etc but grouping similar tasks to tackle in each successive draft works well for me

>200 views in a day.
>0 on my new chapter.

Are 8,000 words of info-dumping really that bad?

Broke 600 follows.

My goal is to reach a 1000. I'm deluding myself to think that if I reach 1000 follows it might cause a late-game snowball effect for new readers.

Also for the anon asking about redrafting, I only start writing a chapter when I've figured out the context of what's going on. I don't free-right the chapter prose, because its too much to write the prose and come up with characters, plot, etc, at the same time. I figure out the underlying context first (which is different from an outline in that I'm not writing plot, I'm just figuring out how characters are important to each other outside of a plot / timeframe) -- and once I've got that I start writing a chapter. I can tell pretty quick if the context works because writing the chapter flows easy. If it isn't working, I spend more time figuring out the context.

>>24549129
MOGGING

>>24549129
>manifestdestinychad
gl with ur journey bro. genuine confidence is such a success magnet it's unreal. I wish confidence would emanate from my writing as well...

>>24549095
Thanks! Seeing how other people write is very interesting.
>>24549129
Congrats, one day we'll have an anon break 1k.

Stupid question, but just to be sure
Is there far less view on fanfiction (not a obscure fandom, but the one where the "gimmick" is mainly the focus of the written fanfiction and nothing more serious) than original fiction?

Or do I really need to bother posting on other fiction and forums (not advertising) to get viewers

While I won't say that I became the greatest author after 3 three years failing, I'm more or less sure that I got most things "right" to at least gather some viewers

In any case, I will continue to give my all then drop after the first book, it's about time to finish something.

(I'm not sharing the story, maybe I think too dramatically, but any link to 4chan is a death sentence in the long term.)

>>24549239
Fan Fiction is extremely popular but it also tends to be very niche. It's more the focus of specific dedicated sites while on sites like RR it's generally far less common, though there are a few exceptions: Ghost in the City is currently one of the most popular active RR series.

>>24549026
its not like you gave good reasoning for why its harder
and fwiw I find editing easier too and I take editing seriously.

>>24549095
>all this for slop
grim

>>24549339

>>24549176
>Congrats, one day we'll have an anon break 1k.
hey i stay anon but im still here. this thread has at least one slopbaron regular

>>24549428
>hey i stay anon but im still here
?
>this thread has at least one slopbaron regular
Yeah, me :)
But seriously, it's just of all the anons that posted publically here, they are under 1k, though I wouldn't discard successful authors hanging out here.

>>24549442
define succesful

>>24549442
i think the only reason we dont have more slopbarons is that ive yet to see someone writing something actually on market. i write adventure light-litrpg stuff which is no doubt to thank for my success
lots of people in this thread mangle their launches too which is always painful to watch. the start of your story is the most important from a success perspective

>>24549445
For me, getting read is already successful (honest really); But we have 3 anons over 500 followers, that's a lot of eyes.
Most draw the line in 1k, making to rising stars or getting 1k on patreon.

>>24549333
You have to go through the draft you've written with a critical eye, line by line, and ask yourself if that painstaking work was actually necessary and belongs in the story, if it's appropriately executed with proper rhythm and style, and if there weren't a better way to do everything. Determining that is much, much, much harder in so many ways than just shitting out words on a page. In fact, the vast majority of writers can't do it at all.

>>24549452
Give it some time, this general is still in its infancy. We have yet to truly understand the nature of slop. These growing pains and wrong turns are what we need to become the new Gods of Serial Fiction. Slopkino is our bread and meat, remember this.

>>24549466
>than just shitting out words on a page.
i don't just shit words on a page though. i find the process of ideation the hardest part. coming up with good scenes and good plots and good characters and so on is the actually hard part of writing. maybe you didn't mentally include that as 'first drafting', instead relegating it to outlining or some such. but i discovery write fairly often and that means when i sit down to write a chapter i have to come up with something impactful that works even as a first draft, and that's way harder than tweaking and polishing.

Why shouldn’t goblins be killed?

>>24549474
>coming up with good scenes and good plots and good characters and so on is the actually hard part of writing

But being so attached to the first draft actually makes editing harder because you'd have to be willing to recognize that the scenes, etc, that you thought were good at first are actually not necessarily that good and maybe have to be changed completely to create a better story. It's clear you don't do this, which is why editing seems so easy for you.

>>24549484
oh, sure, of course i dont do developmental editing.
this is the web novel thread fucker, you're the troll aren't you? of course we're talking past each other, because you're deliberately off topic. editing for web novels is way different than trad books
go talk to /wg/

>>24549484
Just put those scenes in the backburner. Unless it's chronologically impossible there's no reason you couldn't just use them at a later time with some adjustments. Not every darling needs to be killed, it just has to grow up a little to be worth it.

>>24549488
>editing for web novels is way different than trad books
>here's why I'm legit editing though I'm only talking about a cursory proofreading and I'm somehow still the winner of this argument
OK kid

>>24549502
>I'm somehow still the winner of this argument
I am

>>24549517
Nuh-uh. Your a faggot.

why did that bald guy give the wandering in 5 stars?

>>24549534
Who?

>>24549481
You can't just go throwing the natural order of things out of balance like that. You kill all the goblins the dire wolves will starve. If the dire wolves starve the orcs will have famine. If the orcs have famine they'll increase raids on the humans. If the humans are being raided they'll become fanatics of some evil god promising power. Next thing you know it's a thousand year reign of blood.

>>24549538
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFQnQFfxlxw

>>24548420
>can you explain why it's good to me? (inb4 h-scenes)
character art and voiced dialogue so it's easier to become parasocially entwined with the love interests

>>24549481
If goblins were extinct in fantasy there would be no desperate big tiddy elves to rescue and Goblin Slayer would have remained an incel villager

>>24549494
They don't even need to be used for the same book. Every thought is grist for the mill.

>>24549115
It can't be that bad, surely...?

>>24549541
>Plate Up! Becoming a billionaire by inventing the goblin sausage!
>Act I: Ano-kun is a poor kitchen hand who gets gifted the Flavor Analysis System that lets him foresee how two things will taste when combined
>Act two: Ano-kun learns how to combine baking soda, acorns and water to create the basis for a nutritious pudding and realizes he gets XP for each time someone eats his food
>Act three: Ano-kun gets taken on a goblin hunt and learns how to combine different herbs to make the goblin meat taste good
>Act four: Goblin meat becomes a major industry and Ano-kun invents the Gobbo Spam Can

>>24549594
Wasn't the elf in GS flat?

>>24549609
It was, as was the Priestess. Cow Girl and Guild Girl are the tittymonsters.

my fellows i think i actually will start my superhero slopnovel where the MC makes a reference to /x/ and /lit/ in the first chapter, before going out to get milk on behalf of his family. he will then be swept up into a grand conspiracy that reaches its conclusion at the end of book i, opening for book ii.

>>24549637
Make him a speedster

>>24549625
>The only flattie in a land of cows
Forget goblin rape, that's the true tragedy of GS' universe,
>>24549637
Make him a crackpot conspiracy theorist.

Jacques VS You know who

IS OUT!!!

>>24549700
Kman...

>>24549714
Did you enjoy the """fight?"""

>>24549715
Im reading it soon™. Don't worry your pretty little head K-Man you'll have questions thrown your way soon enough.

>>24549717
Chad

>>24549721
Hope my darling little doolie is alright, I haven't been able to read the last chapter you released before this one yet either.

>>24549722
The daily release feels like torture.

>>24549726
How do go about making the images?

>>24549728
Do you mean the blog entries or just their images?

>>24549731
Both actually

>>24549732
The images are generated using ChatGPT and Grok, while the blog entries and Windows are created with the editor I use to write.

>>24549740
Grokypoo is such a helpful little rascal

>>24549742
When I’m successful, I will hire a real artist, don’t worry. But, no one is going to change the World's End Blog---it's mine!

>>24549239
spacebattles and i think sufficient velocity have high amounts of fanfic crossover slop. ive even seen some on scribblehub. it's unpopular on royalroad though.

>>24549714
>>24549715
>>24549717
>>24549721
>>24549722
What the fuck anon

>>24549835
I'm a fan.

>>24549835
>>24549837
We should all be our own biggest fan

>>24549782
>it's unpopular on royalroad though.
there's been some pretty massive fanfiction successes there. royalroad is the paypiggy audience too so it's what you target if you want patreonbux. not saying you should, it's just info.
see:
https://www.royalroad.com/fictions/search?globalFilters=false&orderBy=followers&type=fanfiction

473 words to go.

>>24548010
Yes, it could actually be a good thing. More diversity (tm) in webnovels could be good. Webnovels is a good way to take back the power of writing whatever not caring about DEI hires at publishing houses. And it's the future, just like what happened to music is happening right now to literature.

confession: i prefer the term web fiction to web novels

>>24548144
Western web sloppers actually have had a relationship with a woman and understand what kind of nightmare it would be to be in a relationship with more of them at the same time. The japanese have no real concept of a relationship with a women, they see them sometimes when they're out taking pictures of trains, but that's it.

>>24548144
The replies to this are a pretty interesting cross section of this thread's audience.

>>24549998
im a web serial chad

>>24549998
I prefer web novel, but web fiction sounds more accurate, as web novels may not be in the novel sized or divided in volumes.
But it approaches "fan fiction" which is not correct as they are original works.

>>24549998
We novels are part of the visual/light/web-novel triumvirate that grants us nipponic aura

>>24549998
just realised wikipedia uses web fiction and even mentions royal road
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_fiction

353 words to go.

>>24550014
i like web serial or weblit but i most often just say web sloppa.

>Be me
>Come up with an Isekai concept that isn't gay as shit
>Can even make it light Litrpg without me wanting to gauge my eyes out.
>Get to slopping
>All kinds of ideas from other unfinished stories and ideas fit in it like puzzle pieces, "ah ha" moments galore
>Don't get tired from writing thousands of words a day
>Excited for upcoming writing sessions.
Oh yeah, I'm feeling sloppy and I'm feeling good.

>>24550168
how sloppy are we talking about here

>>24550171
Just the right amount. Dare I say, a kino amount.

>>24550188
Give me a taste

>>24550192
Not yet, anon. I'm cooking.

>>24548522
>I've heard anon ruining their stories by following readers' advice
I've started to draw some actual intelligent criticism in my comments and reviews (which sucks because I'm not getting braindead five star ratings and it's hurting my ranking, but whatever) and I had to make a firm policy with myself that I will NOT pause my story, go back and edit and fix big plot mistakes, and undo 160k words worth of work at this point. I'm going to finish the story, leave it up as a flawed first work, and take the lessons and feedback and criticism at the end and apply it all towards the NEXT big story.

It's easy to focus on the two people who write intelligently and point out real flaws, and ignore the nearly two hundred silent followers who are looking forward to more of the story as it currently is.

I think having a firm policy ahead of time on how to deal with criticism is important, because it DOES hurt emotionally to have someone tell you you fucked up, especially when it's true. But that's not a good enough reason to stop and throw everything away. A wobbly table is better than eating on the floor.

>>24549993
>Yes, it could actually be a good thing. More diversity (tm) in webnovels could be good. Webnovels is a good way to take back the power of writing whatever not caring about DEI hires at publishing houses. And it's the future, just like what happened to music is happening right now to literature.
>
dare to dream, would you?
you sound like me. I used to read a *lot*, and it led me to start writing. SO, if you make a traditional book and post it on some web novel site. And I do mine there, too. Maybe we get 48 other anon's here, to post *their* traditional gumshoe fiction or whatnot they make. Now, there. 50 new an diverse nonymous authors collaborating independently, carving out a niche.
>
The niche being... bringing back regular paperbacks before it went silly. We put enough of them, on some webnovel site? We might start to get somewhere. I see no good reason, why LIT shouldn't have just about its own little section offerering downloads.
Fucking name it... FourChinsPublishing. We get together and all decide who represents us there. 99 cents for any size novel. We carve our own SLICE of ebooks out for ourselves.

>>24548513
pirateaba did a collab with some comic and the publisher revealed pirateaba's real name and it was male

>>24549484
>But being so attached to the first draft actually makes editing harder because you'd have to be willing to recognize that the scenes, etc, that you thought were good at first are actually not necessarily that good and maybe have to be changed completely to create a better story. It's clear you don't do this, which is why editing seems so easy for you.
>
For me, I proof edit to the point I can begin to just "read" my text straight through, like a book. After a couple reads like that, fixing last typos as I go, oh this needs to be massaged, it takes time. I worrym ore about the uninterrupted "flow" while reading. And when I get the typos down toa dull roar, anytime the little movie in my head from reading gets a stutter? I adjust, and back up a paragraph and start cruising the head movie again. The "head movie" test, guides all, in my view. I want it to flow, and generate the head movie. It does that, its working. I mean, I read my own project? Goddamned dozens of times, start to finish. If I can find it at all enjoyable, or emotional knowing full well whats coming? I imagine it might be more so for a reader.

310 words to go.

>my process?
>Raw seat of my pants slopping in one go then posting right after the chapter is finished
>Just like Xi Xinping intended

>>24550317
Amazing idea, then we make our own site a post our stories by piecemeal, maybe in a weekly or monthly, in one single issue, preferably in paid, physical form to be delivered to readers.

>>24548542
>>>24548528
>There was a non harem romanceslop about a 7 foot tall muscle orc gf that got popular on those goonbook communities.
>If you write well enough you can find a space to sell to readers with your same niche fetish.
>
so you're saying, that a female domination hot green orc muscle mommy might sell some sloppa, eh? Interdesting.

>>24550360
magazines are cringe
but zines are based
I would support a slop zine

201 words to go.

>>24550377
Honestly there's no real point to making a physical publishing house at this point. It'd never outcompete amazon or any of the big tradpubs at the core competency of delivering a physical book to readers.

Nor is there a point to making a website for 4chan webnovels.

Discord cabals get it closest to right: collectives. That's the ticket. I won't join for paranoia reasons but a collective that shills each other's work and pushes readers to and fro is probably the best way to achieve the goal of growth.

>>24550336
nta but this is quite surprising. i would've guessed pirate was a woman based on their writing. i just did a bit of looking into them and found out they wrote mlp fanfics and supposedly published a book on amazon which i cant seem to find.

>>24550317
I can visualize a /lit/mag being the literary equivalent of Katawa Shoujo serialized in literary form, though with much greater longstanding potential.

>>24550360
>50 new and diverse anonymous authors
>anonymous authors
This is where I believe a schism would happen. A lot of authors, specifically in /wng/'s serial market focus, aren't anonymous and look forward to having a coexisting reputation, hence there must be a compromise of principles so as to not disenfranchise their casual works when paired next to more acidic channer ones. I believe there could be different issues separated by content profanity "serialized fantasy issues"/"grimdark rapist novelette issues" if we're being liberal, else we'd cordon off these stories and settle for a mid-edge limit that allows for problem-free coexisting on the public sphere.

Obviously, ideas about paperback are far-fetched when you don't even have carved a digital consumer niche yet, that's why we should keep this idea stored in a safe and only seriously discuss it when we have far more active authors with mildly relevant fictions listed here. Until then there is little point in trying to make a fountain out of a dry well.

>>24550412
nevermind I looked at the archived version of their smashwords profile. pirate is indeed a man and a brony.

>>24549605
Will your story include Mind Goblins?

>>24547710
I am now caught up on one more 4chan slop.
Good. It's good. So you know I'm not sucking you off, the Saint reveal was fucking awkward and made me go "huh? okay" and the modern gymbro lifting feels wildly out of place. Other than that, consistently interesting and manages to talk about the setting without infodumping. The best 4chan slop I have read thusfar. Next up is Rabbit, then FFF. Once I'm done I'll rank them all maybe.

>>24549466
>critical eye, line by line,
Yes.
>and ask yourself if that painstaking work was actually necessary and belongs in the story,
It doesnt.
>if it's appropriately executed with proper rhythm and style,
It isnt.
>and if there weren't a better way to do everything
If it's a first draft, the answer is YES, ALWAYS.

Editing and rewriting, you should always just assume that every paragraph can be dramatically improved, and just skip to the asking-yourself-how part.

174 words to go.

For the next thread we should have the daily goal be review based.
Pick a story from the Rentry, read at least 3 chapters, write a review at least 150 words long.

>>24550476
Make it so the next challenge is to join a fiction's patreon.

52 words to go.

>>24550493
How very Talmudic

>>24550493
Here ya go then
https://www.patreon.com/ArcaneCadence
Every patron counts!

>>24550411
>cabals
>collectives
this is what artists through history have done. form like-minded groups to have enough influence to push their art
/wng/ will be the pre-raphaelites of our time

>>24550525
Based, I like the art style quite a lot.

>>24550521
fuck man, even just doing this for two months alone I could straight up just quit my wagie job and not have to work for at least a few years.

>>24550451
Damn, you powered through 250 pages? I'm not only impressed, but grateful. Thanks for giving my story a shot, it means the world.

One of the earliest scenes I had in my head was a giant gym in the mountains, inhabited by /fit/izens. After all, that was my first board. I wanted to make a funny twist on monks who left worldly desires behind, and in future books I plan on visiting the two other pillars of mind and spirit. These three ancient wonders spanned all across the Half-World, and they will have a part to play in the wider goings-on of Kirith. My next story will be set mostly in the Cicada Islands and a few other Sainted realms, I'm still trying to put it all together.
But Zyzz changed my life, and what Ronic and Baltry pick up the Cavern of Sacred Squats just might change theirs as well.

I completely agree with the Saint reveal. I did not set that up as well as it could have been, since the Saints are pretty much not talked about all story long. Maybe I can find a place in a previous chapter to throw in a paragraph explaining to Dirjir or Hokdul or someone why exactly the Sainted Lands are named such.

In case you’re interested, and because it wouldn't be fair to have you re-read a chapter I may very well go back and edit, I'll tell you a bit:
Beastly Arts can be taken through cannibalism. Skinswitchers get a random creature they can “skinswitch” fully or partially into. The farther away you get from the tree of life, the smaller the chance you have of getting that animal. So most skinswitcher have mammals or birds or whatever, a few have insects, and then there are some astronomically rare pulls. Without giving anything away, some animals live for very long periods of time. Those skinswitchers became high in demand for those with a bit of knowledge. An upper echelon emerged of long-lived individuals who stockpiled various beastly art. Not all lived long, some of the Half-World Nobles passed on their stockpile of cannibalized beastly arts through generational euthanasia. I'm getting off topic though. There was a war, readers will learn more about it, but some of the Nobles who came out on top declared themselves holy Saints who banished/defeated/killed the more gruesome Nobles. These became the Eight Saints of the eight Sainted Lands.

Maybe I can infodump a teeny paragraph of that somewhere in the story. But I try not to edit the story much after it’s already been published, said from grammar and spelling.

Excuse my blogpost! And thanks again for reading my web novel!

>>24550568
And, hey, excuse the grammar and spelling in this post. My protagonist isn't the only one with a drinking problem, if you’re picking up what I'm putting down

>>24550476
i've just been giving 5 stars and favoriting/following everyone i see. hopefully that has some impact

Any webnovel with genuinely good smut? What I meant by "good" it has good prose.

>>24550568
Son of Adam, hear my words. You raised the bar for me on 4chanslop.

I accept the personal relevance of the gym stuff. If I was your editor (I'm not) I wouldn't tell you to cut it, but perhaps to remove blatant /fit/ memes since it actually kills the good fantasy worldbuilding, there has got to be a better way to talk about giant buff monks getting swole that doesn't feel so wildly out of place. Find another way to say it maybe, I'm not the boss of you.

Also it wasn't much reading, it being interesting helped a lot for me to keep up the pace. All the spoilered shit I already picked up on from the text, it's very clear. Honestly you could probably do to be more subtle about it, any half-intelligent audience can piece it all together just from reading it.

>>24550582
there's a lot of self-published stuff on KU w/ thousands of reviews. probably not 'good', but probably not scribblehub levels of bad

>>24550589
>there's a lot of self-published stuff on KU
What's KU?

>>24550451
nta but im interested in seeing your rankings, and any comments to go with them

>>24550588
Ahh… it is so tempting to make /fit/ jokes nobody will pick up on. But I think you might be right. Researching ancient real world lifting techniques for the monks to use would probably make the story flow better. Thank you, I will have to think on this

>>24550593
kindle unlimited, i dont know why i assumed that would mean anything to anyone

>>24550596
most writers with dreams of minimum wage know about it, not unfair to assume

>>24550582
Seconding this. AO3 has so many degenerate works.

Where the heck is the happy-loving sex stories?

>>24550604
>Where the heck is the happy-loving sex stories?
To put this in as non edgy way as I can: Those people just read tradpub books or watch television.

>>24550615
what in the tuna sandwich

>>24550594
Every time I finish one I post about it here so I guess wait until I'm done to see the ranking? Rabbit is a mere 900 pages, so I should be caught up on that by no later than the end of the week. Unlucky Antagonist is significantly shorter, should be even easier. If it isn't pure KINO start to finish though I will probably become his number one hater and anti him in every thread though.

The only one I have no appetite for is Superflux, but I might force myself just to be fair to that guy and at least give him a shot so if I give up I can say it wasn't good enough to make me get over not liking captshit. Or maybe it will be good enough to make me get over that. Who knows.

>>24550615
some of those are downright disturbing, i hate the art machine

>Kindlebooks
So, how much do those writers make on average if they have a decent amount of attention? How much does Amazon cut and do you get more money if you request for a physical edition?

>>24550626
>Amount of attention
That's the key here.
It can range from gas money to making rent to financig your down payment.

>>24550536
If I can get to the point were I can get enough money to only have to work part time I would already be unfathomably happy.

>>24550632
Beer money for slop sounds pretty great honestly.

>>24550412
it's obviously a born man cause they're hiding their face/voice while trying to give off a feminine vibe with their profile. Probably trans IRL but wants to come off as a genuine woman. I would have guessed Pirateaba was a born male before their name got revealed by the publisher. Plus do you really think a female could have the sheer willpower to churn out a quarter billion words?

>>24550632
>It can range from gas money to making rent to financig your down payment.
Honestly speaking? If someone enjoys my work that they're willing to pay for it, I'd be satisfied with almost any amount.
Using it for a side hustle sounds amazing enough already.

>>24550582
Princess of The Void is pretty good so far. If you like shortstacks it would definitely be up your alley.

>>24550626
if they have ~500 reviews, they might have something like 25k+ sales (supposedly, at least 1:50). that might translate to >75k usd. and some have 5k+ reviews. some of these guys are eating well.

i'd assume there are many times more with 0 sales than any sales, however.

>start reading Wander West in Shadow
>enjoying it
>Complete tag
>settled in for a nice long read
>End of Book 1
FUCK
I was enjoying that. any longer recs?

43 words
Holy shittttt

>>24550615
This is like looking at those top grossing jewish porn movies with hagfaced hoes well past their prime on cover

7 words to go

>>24550615
It is truly a shame we have to put up with "goblins" as an excuse rather than openly writing busty midget smut, or oppai loli smut.

Boxing novels?

>>24550626
I'm not on KU but I put my book up, only advertised it so far on RR, and I got a sale a couple days ago. I'm officially better than all those median books with zero sales.

The royalty scheme on amazon is bullshit, by the way. It's a 60:40 split between the author and amazon, but they take printing costs out of the author split. For a $15 book sale I made under $4.

>>24550685
https://www.royalroad.com/fictions/search?globalFilters=false&title=boxing
https://www.royalroad.com/fictions/search?globalFilters=false&title=boxer
https://www.royalroad.com/fictions/search?globalFilters=false&keyword=boxer
https://www.royalroad.com/fictions/search?globalFilters=false&keyword=boxing

>>24550688
>The royalty scheme on amazon is bullshit, by the way. It's a 60:40 split between the author and amazon, but they take printing costs out of the author split.
Shalom

>>24550703
It is what it is, which is the best physical self-pub option. I get author copies at cost and I'm going to sell them in person for $20 each so at least then I'll make decent money, or have a stack of books to give away to friends and family. I really only put it up there as a courtesy to fans who might want to buy it, the real money is over on patreon.

1120 words of sloppa finished in a day.
Sheesh.
This is the fastest I've written in a decade.

Honestly want to continue.

>>24550582
>Any webnovel with genuinely good smut? What I meant by "good" it has good prose.
>
https://moonquillnovels.com/book/portraits-in-perversion
>
enjoy a free sample. Tell me how I rate, against other amateur smut.

>>24550418
I hear you, but...
this general is running well. Producing fruit, even. make other genre generals. We should have a running general, for every genre. This is LIT, there are a few writers here.
>
I feel these "targeted" generals? Are working better in practice, than the overall "writing" general. If we have five anons who can link to smut slop, there should be a discussion if even slow, about writing in that genre. I found what I needed to write smut, vastly different from action for instance.

>>24550360
>>>24550317 (You)
>Amazing idea, then we make our own site a post our stories by piecemeal, maybe in a weekly or monthly, in one single issue, preferably in paid, physical form to be delivered to readers.
>
I just wanna get read, noticed, something.

>>24550626
i think the general rule of thumb is that X amazon ratings (ratings, not reviews) = 10-15x readers
So 1000 ratings = 10000-15000 people who read the book
Each full read of a story earns about 2-4$ through KU (depends on length and other factors)
So a 1k rating story makes about $20,000-60,000, ballpark

>>24550727
nta but (i dont normally read smut and...) this is female pov + i think this excerpt skips the sexual tension / emotion depth that would otherwise set it apart from other stories in the genre??

seems alright otherwise

Two Questions
1) If my protagonist is the only one who has the cabability to Progres(i.e. progression fantasy), is it a true progression story or something else?
2) Concerning Patreon, would it be better to immediatly make one or wait a bit till you have a sizeable following?

A new phenomenon called "slop" is running through our nation.
Even now, its vile tendrils are spreading through schoolyards and down telephone lines.
Communist subversion, beatnik psychosis or alien mind ray?
All this and more soon on truth talk tv

>>24550857
>would it be better to immediatly make one or wait a bit till you have a sizeable following?
It's a matter of output.
Writing is a muscle and you need to build it before you can create enough volume fast enough.

>>24550857
Isn't that the premise of Solo Leveling? Haven't read or watched it myself, but someone described it that way to me.

>>24550885
>>24550857
The [System] being widespread is actually not the assumed default.
At least in Jap inspired stuff.
In Kshit it's arguably as much of a ubiquitous prison as an exceptional opportunity.

>>24550885
>>24550891
Ok, to add to the progression question. In my story there is a certain power the protagonist has, which would become stronger the more of it he "finds". There is no real leveling system with System elements. It would be more so a power up. So you begin with the super mushroom but then you get the fire flower. Would it still be a progression fantasy? Because I would hate it I would call it so without it being so. Don't want people riding my ass because of this.

I really dislike the solo levelling thing— where only he can progress.

Posting whiny commentary into the void instead of replying is incredibly soi.

>>24550917
It’s for discussion. Wasn’t actually interested in replying unsolicited feedback to some esl fag.

>>24550917
But since you’re basically begging; it’s because its bleak and narcissistic.
It also nuked characterization (in solo levelling), and gave real chinkcoded vibes

>>24550938
Anon here who made the questions. I fully agree, but there is a reason why the protagonist is the odd one out in this case, and not entirely to his benefit. I was mostly just curious if calling it a progression fantasy would be a misnomer.
>>24550934
You are posting in a webnovel general, fucking everyone is ESL here

>>24550947
I only meant it endearingly

>>24550913
Then don't read it. People having magic but the MC having better / OP magic is hardly a new trope.

>>24550964
Cheat codes are somewhat fine, but gimping everyone else is cursed. Especially when they might have had a low rank like mc. It’s unhinged, even

“It’s not enough that i might succeed…”

>>24550619
>Those people just read tradpub books
no they don't lol, trad romance is full of emotionally abusive shadow daddies

>>24550615
where is the MONOGAMOUS big titty goblinfucking novel
these authors need to seek christ

>>24550857
The genre was popularized through isekai slop where main characters get special snowflake cheat powers that nobody else has, you'll be fine

>>24550970
I saw a xanxia reader here talking about how asian power fantasy isn't about overcoming difficulty through personal strange, but just being better and illustrating the gap between oneself and others through any means possible
I think there might be something to that

>>24550990
That's very characteristic of all the chinese cultivation novels i've read but it's nowhere near asian specific. Like 90% of litrpg slop on royalroad is [op mc] stuff and 90% of japanese web novel slop is "the goddess apologized for
truck-kun by giving me a cheat power and then isekaiing me!"
There are very few stories about an everyman protagonist genuinely succeeding through hard work and not some kind of built in advantage.

>>24550976
I once had the idea of making a satire smut of the hero who has slain the Demon King returning home, and when walking through the nearby woods encountering the one enemy that ever managed to defeat him, a low level bratty goblin girl. Ensuing smutty comedy of the most powerful man on the planet being verbally and emotionally bested by a smug creature, with a dash of feel good vibes. Be free to steal.

My story outline is coming along real nicely and I think it might actually be finished before early August. I'm also made peace I'm essentially just making a native English loose, liberal adaptation of Legend of the Galactic Heroes (or at least a vastly condensed version up to vol5/6), and maybe, if anything, it might make people read/watch the novel/either anime and come to appreciate it. When I think of it that way, I feel a little happier with what I'm doing.

My entire project is ruined because someone read just one chapter and got filtered----RÈEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

Help bros, help...

>>24551018
Many thanks.
Let's ruin my life, 2 months of daily releasing, but just me, ok?

>>24550990
>>24550999
>trips
the difference is that introducing a system like solo levelling, means that other characters exist to be crushed, pitied, or worship the mc. they can't find allies to grow with, have rivals with their own agency, etc.

a cheat code might just give you initial value/attention. it could be more novel than that, but others can still pop off, and doesn't explicitly rule out (most) others having something going for them as well.

i appreciate classic shounen shit where the rivals/antagonists have their own JUICE. ie naruto/one piece. or like, any superhero story

>>24551024
>>24551018
Forgot pic

>>24551018
>>24551024
what's up? if it's a new release can you just delete it, fix your first chapter, and try again? lol

>>24551028
>>24551026
oh wow, you got sniped. share your stuff ill give you a positive review.

>>24551028
I've published more than 100k words

>>24551029
Here bro https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/119783/fff-class-unlucky-antagonist-villains-origin-story

>>24551034
):<

>>24551034
thought about reading this but I saw the poor reviews and moved on.
that crank person seems authoritative

>>24550974
I am confident in claiming you don't own a single print romance book nor are familiar with the submission guidelines for Harlequin or the lineup of Hallmark.
Yes 50 shades nonsense exists but incredibly vanilla borderline puritanical Material is an ENORMOUS niche.
People go online because they want a very specific type of fetish experience because soft and fluffy is very much catered to.
A lot.

>>24551039
>Yes 50 shades nonsense exists but incredibly vanilla borderline puritanical Material is an ENORMOUS niche.
yes the niche exists but the best sellers are dragon fucking romantasy

>>24551038
This is literally my paranoia right now

>tfw having to read a fuckload of flirting tips for girls rn so the LI actually comes across right
Pain.

Oh this nigga is out to just talk about his grudge nvm.
God I hate polspergs

>>24551018
beg mods to fix it(1 star because "i didn't like chapter 1" is harsh) or explode him with your mind

Is there a slopmachine to input a link and get a listenable Audiobook back?
I'd like to do one pass via voice so I can take notes then actually read it with the notes in mind.

>>24551055
text-to-speech "audiobooks" have existed since before slopmachine existed anon

>>24550783
>nta but (i dont normally read smut and...)
sure.
>this is female pov
Anymore, I write a lot in true first person.
>
+ i think this excerpt skips the sexual tension / emotion depth that would otherwise set it apart from other stories in the genre??
Well, that excerpt was a tiny chunk out of a bigger work. If you would like another chunk, I could do something different. They have plenty of "normal time" (not fucking) across the first volume. banter with room mates, he moves in. Subplot around campus. I dressed that pig up.
>seems alright otherwise
Thanks.
No, huge prose quality issues?

>>24551087
i think i noticed 2 sets of quotes (one after the other), but they belonged to the same person. maybe not, i was skimming

some of the longer paragraphs are a bit ESL, but not overly distracting.

it seems mostly okay, but it will come down to the tension building. the action scenes are not really supposed to stand on their own (sex or otherwise)

>>24547407
>>24547412

Reviewed & rated.
Currently stuck on phone so gonna be a little until I'm through everything.

>>24551018
That person has been on the site for 6 years and that hate review was their first ever review. It's quite comedic. Either your first chapter is really bad or you got unlucky. I'm going to read it to see.

>>24551055
Microsoft Edge has good tts. I use it often.

why do you guys fight so much...

>>24551133
Does almost 5k words of infodumping and internal monologue sound good to you?

>>24551149
I'm a rising Star. COPE!

>>24550970
At least Solo Leveling tries to give reasons to justify him being OP and different from others, which ties to the overarcing main plotline. In most light novels/anime, the setting may be equal for all, but the MC is still 1000x stronger than everybody else because...everyone else is just that stupid and didn't think to ever try what he does

>>24550727
Moonquill publishes smut? Lmao and people were saying they were reputable

>>24551153
oh it was YOU. Please kys at this point.

>>24551163
Look the guy either thinks himself a charming rogue in which case you should pity him. Or he's just that sad and needy. In which case ignore him.

>>24551163
HAVE YOU WRITTEN THE REVIEW? AHAAHHAHAAHHAHAHAHHAHA

Unironically, kys. Ass-hurt

If I read one more
>jet black
I'm going to snap

>>24551149
I just finished reading it. There was a bit of exposition and info dumping but it wasn't bad by any means. My main complaint is that there was no hook. Nothing to make me care about the protagonist and wish to see what unfolds. It didn't deserve a 1 star rating though.

>>24551178
It's just getting annoying to browse this thread when every time you reply to somebody this guy pops up like a cartoon villain

>>24551191
Is 0.5 now.
He deleted the first review after I posted here on 4chan.
>No hook
"We are going to get a lot of fun together" is a great ok

>>24551202
I don't know if a possible bromance between your protagonist and a guy named Chad who embodies the Chad stereotype is the best hook anon..

>>24551210
>You are my best bro...forever.
I would cry if a gymbro said it to me.

>>24551186
What's wrong with it? That is much better than the often used word 'obsidian' every time something is the colour black.

the word "jet" makes me think of a jet plane. these are very fast. Combining it with the word "black" simply reminds me that black people run faster than I do, which is not something I like to think about.

>>24551223
Nonny nobody is interested in your thug shaker fantasies please keep it to yourself.

>>24551223
ah, you're an idiot, that's unfortunate for you.

>>24551223
how did you know exactly what I was going to say?

His pupils were rgb(0, 0, 0) and he had a sharp glint in his eyes. His hair was a stunning #F1CC8F with streaks of #b38b67 scattered throughout.

>>24551234
kino

>>24549583
to be fare, reading a cormac mccarthy books feels like shit

>>24551220
>obsidian
Holy shit, I can never use that word again after seeing it in so many trash novels

>>24549583
>Ah, blood meridian monsieur?

But jets aren't black. They're generally painted gray. fucking stupid

>>24551255
anon the color jet black refers to the semi-precious stone jet, which is a type of coal that’s used as a gemstone

>>24551223
Now there's an idea for my cape slop novel, a black guy called jet black

>>24551264
wooow
really
please tell me more

>>24551264
it's coal then it should be COAL black

>>24551287

>>24551292
>her hair was like coal
poetry

>>24551299
This you snobby slobbers

>>24551302
way*

>>24551018
this was essentially the exact feedback I gave you a year ago or more when you first posted chapter 1

>>24551756
Kek based

>>24551055
Microsoft Edge TTS of web serials is the only thing that gets me through my warehouse job. You can also turn full books into audiobooks with this link here: https://vadash.github.io/EdgeTTS/

I only really use the Ava voice, but feel free to experiment.

>>24551869
Thanks man