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>>24560109 (OP)
God that map is fucking retarded

Walk with me, my sweet summer child, and hear the tale of fat pink masts jutting into sopping wet myrish swamps and black nipples brushing against silk until her cunt became the world while in the privy the princess guzzled arbor gold and shat but the more she drank the more she shat until she was shitting brown water and around her the planks of the ship groaned like a fat man taking a shit while she cursed the gods and nuncle smiled as he broke his fast on black bread, bacon burned black, and mulled wine while capon-grease dribbled down his chin and onto the boiled leather of his jerkin for she was wet with love and did she not know words are wind and dark wings bring dark words and a lannister always pays her debts and mayhaps this is nothing but a mummers farce and useless as nipples on a breastplate and the princess has been fucking lancel and moonboy for all nuncle knows and he is the blood of the dragon for the night is dark and full of terrors but where do whores go and jon snow knows nothing and near enough makes no matter so nuncle smiled and dipped the heel of his bread into clam chowder and prayed for half a hundred more heh har HODOR

>>24560116
Turkey and british isles turned upside down.

Oldtown niggers, our response?

I realized this year I want to fuck my cousin. I guess I relate to Jaime more than I initially believed.

>>24560237
I just realized today that there is a land call Ulthos. Any info on that?

LUV ME OLDTOWN
LUV ME HIGHTOWER
LUV ME OTTO
LUV ME GREEN COUNCIL
LUV ME RIGHTFUL RULER OF THE REALM AEGON II
SIMPLE AS

>>24560462
citadelpilled

Bobby B fags....is this really your guy?

>>24560469
im impressed by how depraved the whole scenario is. Impressive George, very impressive.

>>24560462
kek baskin boberts tower fund

>>24560469
It's been years since I've read these books. Is this fanfiction or is GRRM a much less mature writer than I remember?

>>24560469
>>24560696
Ah yes, the ever regretful and honourable Jaime Lannister, truly misaligned.

>>24560696
I would say a substantial portion of the series was written with gurms fat pink mast in hand.

>Hightowers sponsor Maesters
>Maesters hate/“hate” magic
>Hightowers dabble in magic
>Leyton hasn’t left his tower

When did you realize that the Hightowers are magic obsessed weirdos who pretend to shun magic to hoard it for themselves?

>>24561222
Pretty based of them

>>24561222
when they killed Maegor, he knew what was up

>>24561288
The dragon bows before the sphinx

George’s boy Steven Colbert got the axe, how bad do you think he’s seething right now

>>24560116
I fucking disagree

>>24560426
Nigger, anon?

>>24560116
i've always thought that its like one of those maps early maps that are done from the perspective of one place or region and the more far away you get from it the more distorted it gets because there haven't been enough expeditions to charter lands or draw them proportionally correct.

Grrm is tired of you guys, especially the fans from 4chan. I’m going to tell him that.

I don't get the Tyrion is the 3rd head crowd.

>only direct exposure we have had to the best house in Westeros (Hightowers) is some pampered slut (Lynesse)
Umm not kino?…

Hopefully they come in hard during Winds. FAegon + Hightower coalition, if he does come to their aid (as a subversion of him blitzing to King’s Landing immediately).

>>24561500
I want her to gargle my ball sweat

>>24561301
sunset finds the dragon squatting in the grass, shitting brown water.

>>24561462
…….That is literally what it’s based on, and George even said as much. The problem is he didn’t make it obviously medieval looking.

Anyone who criticizes his map is an idiot because they don’t know this. Had you went to Yi-Ti and asked for a map you’d be given someone that looks completely different. They’d get the west wrong the way the west gets the east wrong. People in Asshai think Casterly Rock is a castle made entirely out of solid gold.

>>24561683
>someone
something*

OFFICIAL LIST of characters most likely to "win" the game of thrones
>Bloodraven
>Jon
>fAegon
>Sansa
>Littlefinger
>Edric Baratheon first of his name

>>24561792
It would be cool to see Jon, after getting ressurected, become more and more machiavellian and brutal. Its an arc that makes sense to me and it would be to neat to see him go from
"da others are comin, I need more than just the wall to stop them. Now that im freed from the watch I must push my claim on Winterfell and the north so I can save everybody"

and then to

"ah fuk the North is a disaster and everybody is dead. Wait you are telling me theres a hoe with dragons here now? And I have Targ blood in me? I gotta get in her pants PRONTO so I can have enough men and power to save the world"

>>24561865
That's probably what's going to happen, there was some guy who had a pretty decent outline
>Gets resurrected rally's some more Wildlings at the bridge of skulls, get Lightbringer in a situation similar to Hardhome from the show
>BOTB happens, Jon wins with help of Stannis
>Stannis rallies Northen Lord at WF, wants The Wildlings and Lords to bend the knee they refuse and prefer Jon
>Decide to settle it in single combat, where Jon's Lightbringer proves to be the true one
>Jon's declared KITN and Howland finally appears

Honestly I could see him hiding his Targ heritage to maintain his position as KITN, the introduction of Dragons to the continent could change this imo.
Also don't think the wall can fall by the end of Winds either, they'd be fucked.

Uhm actually Daeron surrendered so...

>>24561951
That show is so ahh

>>24561792
fAegon is toast. Also LF won't win, Gurg isn't that cynical.

>>24561946
A stannis magic sword duel would mega cool. What about the whole burning shireen bit though? I thought that was a garunteed thing that was happening or whatever

>>24561951
The worst part about all of this is that I read all of these fuckin books just to have the series never finished and the show and HBO in general butcher this IP forever. Hell truly is other people.

>>24562031
He had Stannis sacrificing Shireen in the epilogue trying the hatch a dragon egg that was given to him by Mance(who found it in the crypts), which brings down the wall.

>>24561951
Wasn't this nigga supposed to be dashing and a great warrior in the books or some shit? I can tell just at a glance that's a female.

>>24561683
This is such a fucking asspull, he didn't put much thought into the map and obviously just filled out two sheets of paper all the way to the egdes

>>24561500
i would argue that its less problematic than people think and honestly more woke than anything else, grrm relies heavily on materialist analysis ironically for his fantasy books

>>24562153
Nope he explicitly wanted the east to be “here there be dragons”. It’s not meant to be accurate. A satellite view of Westeros would probably look different too.

>>24562098
grow up

>>24562193
Yes he started wanting that after he fucked the maps up

>>24562192
Well duh. I'm pretty woke (but a bit different from those types of course, I'm on this website after all). I don't see what I should dislike about the books.

>>24562198
unironically kys nigger

>>24561792
>OFFICIAL LIST of characters most likely to "win" the game of thrones
>>Sansa

Yeah, about that...

>>24562974
Best book of the five imo.

>"Listen to Maester Luwin's counsel, and take care of Rickon. Tell him that I'll be back as soon as the fighting is done."
>"I told him," Bran said. "He says no one ever comes back."

Kek based and correct little shit

>>24562216
>Yes he started wanting that after he fucked the maps up

GRRM wrote most of the story before he started a map, Catelyn casually strolling across hundreds of miles of war-torn Westeros makes no sense once the map is drawn up and Essos didn't come until much later.

>>24561951
There’s no way they would bind the hands of a prince of the royal fucking family if he was taken prisoner, that would be out of the standards for the treatment of nobility
This is the same show that pointed out how Borros Baratheon was offended that Rhaenyra would send her youngest bastard to have him pledge his allegiance to her
I shouldn’t be surprised by the quality of writing by the historically-ignorant women and retarded indians in the production team

The Realm's Delight

I literally look like Daenerys except I have a 4 inch penis

>>24563641
Post ass

>>24563706
I just drank brown water though

>>24563747
Post it nigger

>>24563641
Maegor demands your carnal tribute.

>>24561500
>I'm sorry, I couldn't help but to overhear you talk about Ice and Fire. I do read them. I know they're problematic and I make no excuses for Martin. He ignores mothers too much, he writes about violence against women in a way that's excessive and the constant sexualization of children is weird to say the least but I don't think you should judge a book on it's failures alone. There is so much to love. Like how Martin explores trauma in an authentic way. One of my favorite chapters is Forsaken which explores Damphair who was molested by his brother and how that horrific event haunts him. I can relate because I was violently raped by my own uncle. Many times. It was relentless. He was so brutal to my ass, I still can't shit like a normal person. Damphair and Victarion, another based character, really capture what it's like to be fucked in the ass against your will. You should give those books a shot. They're really good once you get past the constant pedophilia.

>>24563617
Kek

>>24560109 (OP)
How big is the land of always winter? Is there an entire continent up there we just never see?

>>24564473
It's like Canada

>>24564473
nigga you are looking at the known world, if it's not on there, we don't know how big it is

>>24561951
It’s like they’re trying to kill this shitshow Joker 2 style.

>>24564473
There can't be that much land up there before you hit the North Pole.

Fucking hate ai, me

What lessons should a writer learn from George?

>>24565089
You can live comfortably after selling out, you don't even have to finish your series.

>>24564966
Try doing it with a male character and see what it does.

>>24565133
No I am livid, it gave me an alternative "glam makeover" option which I agreed to, then after an hour it told me that the prompt they offered me violated their policy so I gave up.

>>24565089
as a fantasy writer you will never step out of the shadow of tolkien

>>24565215
Is that a bad thing? I mean, no physicist will ever be as important as Newton.

>>24561951
>>24562098
>I can tell just at a glance that's a female.
This anon was right! They cast a FtM as Daeron
https://wikiofthrones.com/daeron-is-here-charlie-gordon-joins-house-of-the-dragon-season-3-as-the-youngest-targaryen-prince-2
>Charlie Gordon’s casting as Daeron Targaryen marks a progressive leap for fantasy television—he’s the first trans man to portray a major character in HBO’s Game of Thrones universe. His arrival in Season 3 is complemented by returning character Sharako Lohar, played by talented trans actor Abigail Thorn, who made her debut in Season 2. Together, their presence signals a shift toward more inclusive storytelling within the world of Westeros. With Lohar entrenched in the naval conflict of the Stepstones and Daeron soaring in with Tessarion, Season 3 promises high-stakes drama with a refreshingly diverse ensemble.


This show is so fucked

>>24565269
Well that explains why there was no sign of Daeron in the show before this. I applaud anon's woke detection radar.

>>24565340
>let HBO cast black people for the Velaryons (even while knowing full-well it makes no sense with the Targaryen / Velaryon family tree)
>let HBO cast non-whites for half the extras in King’s Landing (including Grandmaester Orwyle)
>let HBO cast a tranny for the Triarchy pirate (I suppose this would be excusable if he was a better actor)
>let HBO cast a tranny as Daeron
…
>have an autistic meltdown and start taking potshots at HBO because they deleted your black dragonrider OC and put dragons in the Vale
George is such a cuck.

Probably going to get screwed again on the Dunk and Egg show.

>>24565486
>George made deals with modern Hollyweird
>surprised when they fuck up his vision

Green faction:
>Aegon II
>Aemond (traitor - attacked his king and older brother)
>Helaena (traitor - assists Daemon during his Harrenhall escapades)
>Alicent (traitor - surrenders her son’s life for a chance to munch Rhaenyra’s carpet)
>Larys (unclear)
>Tyland Lannister (loyal)
>Ormund Hightower (traitor - surrenders Prince Daeron)
>Daeron (unclear)
>Criston Cole (loyal, but dodgy by virtue of fucking the queen mother)
Nice writing you’ve got there.

Tranny Daeron is taking Nettles' plot while Rhaena takes Sheepstealer, that's why Daemon captured him.

>>24565621
>Alicent's only good kids (Daeron and Heleana) just end up helping the Blacks instead of their own family
Man, can this show get any more biased lmao.

>>24565688
Ironically it makes Aegon more sympathetic.

>>24565518
>Larys seems loyal
They've done something wrong lmao. Also why does everyone say Larys mogs Varys and Littlefinger? I feel like Littlefinger is the goat.

>>24565869
Littlefinger simps for a woman when he owns brothels.
He's a turbo cuck.

>>24565269
>returning character Sharako Lohar, played by talented trans actor Abigail Thorn, who made her debut in Season 2.
But this was THE worst part about that episode

>>24565999
>trans actor
You mean his.
Always, always rebut their lies.
You can cut off your balls if you like, but you're just a eunuch, not a woman.

''When the sun has set, no candle can replace it.''

How do they survive long winters in Westeros? There's only so long you can preserve food.

>>24563617
You disgusting sick motherfucker.

>>24566049
dey eat de poopoo

>>24563641
Kek, so randomly.

>>24565089
You can either be a gardener or architectural planner writer or a bit of both.

Also hiatuses are bad for your work.

>>24566068
Little retard.

>>24566087
I would also add that you should finish your series before taking media deals.

>>24566117
That too, I agree.

>>24566049
Westerosi "winters" and "summers" are actually what we on earth would consider long term climatic shifts, but happening on the scale of a decade instead of centuries. During a Westerosi winter the rotational seasons proceed as normal, but everything is just generally colder and shittier, the winters aren't just years of February in Russia

Tyrion has seen 9 winters in his 25 year long life. It has been summer for nearly 10 years when the story starts.

>>24566244
Yeah but frozen meat and veg only last so long. So if your winter lasts five years, one of which is cold enough to consistently keep buried food cold, you will die before you can plant more crops or reseed enough grass to feed your herds.

>>24566049
>How do they survive long winters in Westeros?

They don't. Even with our modern tech, humans couldn't survive beyond the equatorial zones of Planetos and what about all the deer, rabbits, bears, etc?

>>24561792
I want Littlefinger to win purely on the account of the insane effort he had to pull to achieve his today's position. The guy was handed over no fiefs, no vassals, no good land, no money, nothing. Just a tiny castle and 10 or so peasants living next to it. No chosen one background, no dragons, no infinite money, vassals or anything, only his brain. Of course GRRM would never reward the guy that worked harder than anybody else due to fear of pissing off even more fans...

>>24566049
>tries to make sense of the lore for a cynical smut story
not gonna make it chief

>>24566482
I want Littlefinger to lose big time and a die a painful humiliating death for all the shit and suffering he caused. Can’t wait for Littlefinger death.

>>24566643
Shut the fuck up, you nigger mutt.

>>24566648
>puts you in a headlock
What did you just say, gay little nerd?

>>24566658
Ngh-h-h... I am... I am going to cum, boss...

>>24566663
Cum my man!

>>24566663
*fucks u*

>>24566691
>lord paramount has to tell northerners who’ve spent their entire lives and history dealing with winter to stock up on food, but the greedy, short-minded lords didn’t
Why do George write characters to be so fucking stupid. It really takes me out of his writing sometimes.

>>24566749
George is a cynical post-modernist.

>>24566658
>What did you just say, gay little nerd?
>grabbing you by the throat with my right hand
Shut the fuck up, you nigger mutt.

>>24566691
>>24566749
The real thing that doesn't make sense with this is that the bannermen weren't betrayed by their fellows and brought before Lord Stark (if not lynched on the spot). Doesn't everyone over like the age of 10 know what winter's like?

>>24566749
Corruption and short-sighted public administration happen all the time.

>>24567046
Corruption and short-sighted administration do not result in basically guaranteed death for yourself and everyone around you, though.

The Soviet Union

>>24567058
Natural catastrophes that kill people and do large damage in ways that could have been prevented relatively easily do happen. Also massive corruption happens even in countries at war where people know they could die if they lost, or in countries with widespread famine.
It sounds to me like those lords probably thought Lord Stark was being overly cautious, or were in debt and didn't want to give up on the taxes from that grain being sold, or were incompetent and failed to make the necessary arrangements. Or they just hoarded food for themselves and their families and didn't care about peasants.
Idk, it doesn't seem far fetched to me.

>>24567083
Yes but if I embezzle the dam money, I will most likely not die.
If I embezzle the food when winter lasts for a couple years minimum I will die.

When is winds of winter coming out again?

>>24567100
>If I embezzle the food when winter lasts for a couple years minimum peasants will die
Fixed that for you. If a lord ran out of grain somehow then he can just order his men to raid and steal from peasants and no one would know because it's winter

>>24561792
Its gonna be Bran. There is no way DnD got King Bran all on their own.

Two is a duo but three is a crowd.

>>24567100
Well, the lords themselves have their own stores and wouldn't be in any real risk of running out of food. Like the court of King's Landing in ACOK still has food from the stores of the Red Keep and the nearby castles even though the population of the city is starving. Lord Hornwood wouldn't actually find himself without food on his plate until the last of his peasants is dead.

What does a lord or a lady feel when they find out their peasants are dead?

>>24567125
>peasants starve
>no one with expertise is around to work my lands
>I die

>soldiers have sympathies to the peasants
>they decide to replace me with someone else
>I die

>>24560109 (OP)
Reading the books worth it? considering the fat faggot will never finish it

>>24565215
>as a fantasy writer you will never step out of the shadow of tolkien
It's easy. Just read fantasy not written by him. Robert E Howard wrote a ton of stories before the first lotr book. He's just one example.

>>24567186
>peasants starve
>some survive
>people from other regions immigrate to fill in after the winter

>soldiers have sympathies to the peasants
>they follow my orders anyway, because they're also at the risk of starving
>get away with it because plebs are cucked, abdicate in favor of my son in the worst case

>>24566324
Consider winters that are cold but not enough for any snow or ice, like anywhere thats not a mountain top in Australia. Harsh winters could mean snow in areas longer than 3 months an irl length winter, but you can still grow crops. Hell citrus trees produce in winter so lots of lemons and oranges etc in winter. Perhaps food beocmes more fruit baed instea dof grain based by the end of very harsh winters

George George rhymes with Gorge
Martin Martin rhymes with Shartin
Gorge (R)hyme (R)hyme Shartin

>>24566244
that is massive cope

>>24567202
If you absolutely want an ending, then no. But since you're asking, probably yes.

>>24561500
I wish French girls were real

>>24566244
This is pure headcanon anon. I don’t even dislike your explanation as a rationalization for the winters, but the books clearly stress autumns as being for the “last harvests”, or winter striking unexpectedly quickly as depriving peasants of another harvest, etc.

>humans + giants built the wall
>the Others built the wall

which do you subscribe to?

>>24567722
Why would the others build a wall to stop themselves from invading Westeros?

>>24566749
It’s clear that George put no thought into the logistics of food hoarding for the long winters (and the series is probably best off for avoiding the topic entirely).
Are the lords responsible for hoarding all the food in their granaries? Even the portion of the harvests that’s owed to the peasants? Do they decide on when the food is released, or is it like a deposit in a bank whereby peasants can withdraw their portion of food? What prevents peasants from storing their own food (assuming it’s simple infrastructure like salting the food and burying everything in the cold soil)?
Even if lords were selling their excess produce instead of hoarding it (if we look past the fact that their portion would be quite small compared to the total harvest), wouldn’t there an opportunity for merchants to buy that food and hoard it themselves for winter?

>>24567789
It doesn't stop them.

>>24567842
prove it

>>24567512
RR rhymes with Hard R
Gorge Hard R Shartin

George Really Retarded Martin.

>>24567853
The Wight attack on the lord commander.

what is the tax policy of westeros anyway?

>>24568500
Apparently it's pretty shitty since the King can't afford a standing army.

>>24568437
Wights, not White Walkers.

>>24568623
Night King's Other girlfriend had no issue strolling through either.

>>24568757
myth

the show (based on gurm's notes) already established that the others have to destroy the wall to cross

>>24568793
>the show
Fanfiction

>>24566295
I always forget Tyrion is young. I'm older than him now.

>>24567367
>Hell citrus trees produce in winter so lots of lemons and oranges etc in winter.

They do in Florida but if they get hit with a cold snap, the entire crop can be lost.

The fact is that initially GRRM thought the multi-years long seasons was a cool idea (and it would be in a sci-fi setting) but came to realize that nothing would survive a winter that lasted literally _years_ and quietly stopped mentioning it in later books.

>>24568825
>multiyear long seasons
uhh does this dude know how seasons and years work cuz that doesn't make a lot of sense

>>24568825
That's a shame too because if he mentioned large warehouses of food those would be critical to seizing or destroying in war.

>>24568839
I thought littlefinger was using the vale to buy up and store a bunch of food for this winter and then was going to sell it at a huge markup when the rest of the war torn realm is starving. Theres gotta be massive storehouses somewhere for this. Maybe george, IF HE EVER FINISHES THE FUCKIN BOOK, will explain further on how the seasons work since surely winter is gonna play a huge role in the book titled "winds of winter"

>>24568830

If winter can last for years (or even just one year) everything would die; deer, rabbits, fish, even trees would die off.

>>24568839

There is no way a quasi-medieval society could store up enough food to last multiple years, even modern people like us would be eating MREs long before the multi-years long winter was over.

>>24568851
The only thing that would make sense is that you can still plant and harvest stuff but the output is a lot smaller and cold snaps have a high chance of killing everything. Idk about the north tho it seems like they would be completely fucked with these seasons. How would they even be making any money to buy food in the winter? Northern food stores must be pretty big but I doubt its gonna last 5 or 10 years so that only leaves trading stuff for food. What does the North even produce to trade food for? In the books its talked about how the old people just walk out into the woods and die so the rest of their family doesn't starve in the winter but I bet that only helps out a little.

>>24568903
in the south people make do with some small scale agriculture, as >>24568859 anon said.
but in the north when multi year winters come, people turn to cannibalism. once winter is over the practice is abandoned out of shame. but there are those who can't abandon it. these people are exiled to skagos.
skagos is full of the descendants of not just Northern peasants but also nobles like Starks, Boltons, Umbers etc. the ones who refused to abandon cannibalism and thus were ereased from the family trees as if they had never existed. but the blood still runs strong on skagos and the human meat enhances their inborn magical capabilities.
once this final winter is over, it'll be the folk of skagos who repopulate the North, invading like the first men of old.

this is known.

>>24566482
I once read of a theory that littlefinger believed that power could only come from those who could take it by any means, and that he'd die after fucking a bunch of people over while fleeing from the others and end up killed by some peasant boy for food but he didn't care cause in his eyes his philosophy was affirmed. (I definitely misremembered it)
I thought it was a cool idea

I think I should write some female knight-shota squire kino inspired by Brienne-Podrick and the Dunk and Egg stories.

>>24569077
I will read.

>>24568999
trips of truth

>>24560188
wheres americos

>>24569489
never read lotr but aren't orcs unable to procreate? meaning there wouldn't be any baby orcs in little orc cradles?

>>24570118
GRRM famously can't read.

>>24560772
HE'S ON THE PATH OF REDEMPTION CHUD!!

I thought this was le grimdark fantasy shit but he's pretty comfy ngl.
Only at a 100 pages. I've seen the show but never completed it. GRRM has a new fan.

>>24570118
At no point did Tolkien say that Orcs can't reproduce, as far as I'm aware. LotR mentions Saruman fielding half-breeds of Orcs and Men which implies sexual reproduction. This is further clarified in later material.
>It became clear in time that undoubted Men could under the domination of Morgoth or his agents in a few generations be reduced almost to the Orc-level of mind and habits; and then they would or could be made to mate with Orcs, producing new breeds, often larger and more cunning. There is no doubt that long afterwards, in the Third Age, Saruman rediscovered this, or learned of it in lore, and in his lust for mastery committed this, his wickedest deed: the interbreeding of Orcs and Men, producing both Men-orcs large and cunning, and Orc-men treacherous and vile.
So yes, at least as of LotR there are Orc babies.
The movies leave out that icky part and portray something like Tolkien's earliest idea of Orcs being originally created from the earth (though even there it isn't said that means they can't reproduce on their own), which means that all the based culture warrior Tolkien understanders on youtube don't know about it because they haven't read the books.

Did you hear that?

That's the sound of George writing 5 pages of The Winds of Winter today.

>>24570413
>That's the sound of George writing 5 pages of The Winds of Winter this decade.

Did you hear that?

That's the sound of George scrapping 5 pages of The Winds of Winter he wrote yesterday+an entire chapter before that

George just flew over my house while shouting that Viserys and Daenerys were Blackfyre pretenders.

George just handed me a contract to assassinate Ryan Condal for $5,000 and an advanced copy of Winds of Winter. Should I take it, bros?

>>24571039
ask the fat man to also pay for travel expenses
that way you keep the full 5000 and can further implicate him should you be caught

Did you hear that?

Nothing ever happens. May Preston Jacobs save us.

>>24571169
>May Preston Jacobs
fanslop

>>24566244
>>24567572
This is cope yes, but it's the only thing even remotely approaching a reasonable explanation so I'm ok with it. I thought the same thing while reading the series the first time.

Cope away

Only Michael Talks About Stuff realizes that the outline was never abandoned

>>24571321
2.5 of the last 3 paragraphs have already been abandoned.

>>24568859
>The only thing that would make sense is that you can still plant and harvest stuff but the output is a lot smaller and cold snaps have a high chance of killing everything.

It still takes X amount of time for this or that food crop to grow. From the chart, it takes 55-75 days for carrots to reach maturity. You can't plant wheat and harvest it a week later.

The glass gardens allow the Starks to continue growing food in Winterfell through the winter. The hot springs (or Weirwood roots) keep the whole place warm. Without Others it cannot get to truly unliveable temperatures or else the entire Night’s Watch would die every winter.

>>24571321
Some stuff has been abandoned and some stuff was just retooled for other characters. Wouldn’t be surprised if he had some vague idea how to get to the end initially, but bloat has pretty much ruined those prospects. Especially if you read all the leaked proposals for the trilogy.

>first was wotfk
>second Dany’s invasion
>third the battle of the dawn

The last book was supposed to feature the Nights Watch predominantly too apparently. Bet you Jon wasn’t even going to die and leave the NW in the original draft, that’s why his Long Night dreams are at the wall.

TOTAL TYRELL DEATH

STANNIS IS THE RIGHTFUL KING OF WESTEROS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fact: House Estermont is the most powerful house in Westeros.

>>24572153
usurper's brother

>>24560109 (OP)
hey guys, just dropping in, is ASOIAF finished yet?

>>24572323
FUUUUCK YOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUU

>>24572328
okie dokie, I'll try again later, another week maybe?

>>24560109 (OP)
>nicknames sir Arthur Dayne sword of the morning
>but doesn't nickname sir Loras Tyrell sheath of the evening
Why did the fat bozo do it

If this guy was a file system he'd be FAT32

>>24572479
I wish he were 32 but he’s actually 87 and on death’s door.

>>24572479
More like NTFS
>Never
>That
>Finished
>Series
LMAO

>>24572153
stannis is a kinslayer and a demon-worshipper

>>24573007
Fuck u hoe, the night is dark and full of terrors

All targs are faggots

Why didn’t the children of the forest work tools beyond leaves and twigs? Were they just retarded? I’m assuming they COULD pick up a hammer or a sword, but they chose not to?

Was this cultural or ingrained into their very being?

Whoever or whatever race predated the Valyrians were also rather simplistic in comparison to the Valyrians, who were actually human.

>>24573181
George is probably going for humans being an abusive bunch. The non-human races respected or were more in tune with magic/nature, however good or evil they happened to be, while the humans just… took advantage of it to levels that broke magic (the Doom) for a time.

Humans probably excel at infrastructure, even sorcerous infrastructure, just going by Valyria’s favor with magic for so long. George has said it’s cruel and capricious, but for some reason Valyrians could work it into infrastructural form? Sacrifice must have been the oil of the Freehold.

>>24573205
there was a part in one of Brans chapters, I think the very last one, where a child of the forest was talking about how a lot of the magical races were going extinct and how the children just kind of accept that. Bran offered the human perspective that if Humans were going extinct we wouldn't just meekly accept it but instead fight against it at all costs. I thought that was a pretty cool difference and also hyped up humans.

>google arya fanart
>it's all just different illustrated versions of ugly ass maisie
sigh

>>24572471
>>nicknames sir Arthur Dayne sword of the morning
Imagine how hard Dayne's morning wood was.
>>24573431
That makes us more in tune with nature. At least in that regard. What animal meekly accepts its own destruction?

>>24573719
Real. TOO REAL even. That fucking potato midget has completely ruined that character

checked the wiki
>Jon's parentage remains a topic of discussion among readers of the series, as his mother remains unidentified.
Can't be serious right? GRRM outright confirmed it in a blogpost.

>>24573431
>"Where are the rest of you?" Bran asked Leaf, once.
>"Gone down into the earth," she answered. "Into the stones, into the trees. Before the First Men came all this land that you call Westeros was home to us, yet even in those days we were few. The gods gave us long lives but not great numbers, lest we overrun the world as deer will overrun a wood where there are no wolves to hunt them. That was in the dawn of days, when our sun was rising. Now it sinks, and this is our long dwindling. The giants are almost gone as well, they who were our bane and our brothers. The great lions of the western hills have been slain, the unicorns are all but gone, the mammoths down to a few hundred. The direwolves will outlast us all, but their time will come as well. In the world that men have made, there is no room for them, or us."
>She seemed sad when she said it, and that made Bran sad as well. It was only later that he thought, Men would not be sad. Men would be wroth. Men would hate and swear a bloody vengeance. The singers sing sad songs, where men would fight and kill.
It's more like the Children see themselves as part of the system they live, where man sees themselves as the master of it. The children had their time, and even had their moments of defiance when they broke the Arm of Dorne and fought the humans. I subscribe to the theory that the Others are either exiled or rebel spirits from the Weirwood who are most likely CotF. They also refuse to die with the world. I also like the implication of Giants and Cotf fighting.

>>24573889
the others being rebelious spirits of the cotf who refuse to accept the dying of their race or maybe magical races in general would be cool af. I can sorta root for the humans and the others in this scenario.

>>24573921
It's what the Pact is. The Others will only inhabit the Heart of Winter and not go to war with men or his kingdoms, in exchange men must offer sons with royal blood, bastards, to add to the Others numbers. The Other probably experience time differently as well, explaining why despite the pact being broken for hundreds if not thousands of years, they are just now starting to move against Man.
>The lives of trees are different. They root and grow and die in one place, and that river does not move them. The oak is the acorn, the acorn is the oak. And the weirwood … a thousand human years are a moment to a weirwood, and through such gates you and I may gaze into the past."

Rate my theory bros. Show Euron = book Aegon, and Show Night King = book Euron.

Starting with show Euron = Aegon, this is basically built from (i) the fact that the Golden Company ends up fighting for Cersei to defend KL against Dany and (ii) the assumption that D&D got the main story beats right but don't give us the how/why. GC seem fiercely loyal to Aegon so hard to imagine they end up in Cersei's employ without Aegon being involved.

Not sure there's much or any evidence in the text, but the premise of the alliance would basically be the enemy of my enemy is my friend - Dany is going to show up with dragons and neither can hope to beat her independently. Cersei and Dany both have a much easier time working with Aegon than each other. I don't think Dany is going to be interested in taking on a partner when she arrives to Westeros and will probably be the most suspicious of Aegon's parentage of any character. Cersei is still horny over Rhaegar, so she'll finally get her Targaryen prince.

Anyway, that begs the question what happened to Euron in the show? Well, we know his main goal in the novels is to steal a dragon...

I pirated and read the books in 2015 and said I'd wait until Winds and Dream were out to buy a full set.

Man, that aged poorly on everything except my wallet.

>>24573737
Arya's portrayal in the series was dogshit, as well. Instead of being the actually messy, impulsive brat she was in the books (which I'm not saying as a bad thing, GRRM makes her work) in the tv show she's just le heckin badass girl with the perfect comeback to everything anyone says to her. It got annoying really fast, especially those Marvel-tier scenes with Arya and Tywin where Tywin just smirks like "heh, this girl gets me." Just awful.

>>24572421
Winds is coming tomorrow, trust me dude.

>>24570282
I think gurm's grimdark reputation is overblown. He has about 2-3 really bad things happen per book, the rest is just survival and, like you said comfy politicking.

>>24568850
I always assumed those Winter storehouses were in the Stormlands and Dorne. Although I can't remember if it's ever established that winter ravages those south lands just as much as the northern ones. I doubt Dorne is absolutely covered in snow, right?

>>24574854
I need more books with giant plots and scheming in it. I dont care if its medieval or modern. Had this one idea for a book where the thought was that a member of the british royal family (a made up character n all that jazz) has decided that he wants to actually reassert royal power once again over modern UK and how, realistically, he might go about that starting from the position of modern UK. I don't know if a book like that exists and the amount of time required for just looking up british law and the political climate of modern day UK seems daunting.

>>24574863
The Iron King is a pretty good scratch for that itch and Gurm often cited it as a big influence. Haven't read the rest of the series but the fiest book is pretty good, though, the scheming stays fairly local. I dunno if the rest of the series expands on the scope of the politicking.

>>24573125
>All targs are faggots
The last Targaryen died in 48 AC

>>24574849
I do trust (you), thank you friend!

>>24572097
The first book george wanted to right grew to five books since Dany has still not invaded Westeros. The ideas he had for her have no doubt been partially given to Aegons invasion, the golden company and their elephants were probably hers at one point to be a mirror to the Men of Rhun and the Mumikil to further show the Dany/Sauron thing.
Still crazy that he still hasn't written book 2 of his plan.
>Bet you Jon wasn’t even going to die and leave the NW in the original draft, that’s why his Long Night dreams are at the wall.
I wonder how often George wishes he could just rewrite the first book to make it click with his later ideas, which would also mean needing to rewrite the second book and the third etc, until hes bloated the new Winds even more. No wonder he's stuck and painted himself into a corner. Honestly Geoerge could just release a second edition of Dance with whatever narrative retcons he needs to make winds come more easily

>>24575654
>I wonder how often George wishes he could just rewrite the first book
I don't think George wishes to write anything ever again.

>>24561484
>Aerys is his father
>he's Dany's little bro so she's his Visenya
>dreams about dragons
pretty simple

>>24565269
just wait until they cast Hunter as a Targaryen or a Hightower.

>Daenerys invading Westeros
Worst plot idea that the fans want

>>24575732
the 3rd head isn't a targ according to gurm thoughbeit

>>24575654
Another funny thing is he completely reworked her character too. She was actually going to be a ruthless conqueror, in the original draft she murdered Drogo for killing her brother, and was driven to conquer westeros, which makes the angle the show took with her kinda make sense since i bet those ideas D&D got were from GRRMs original outline.

>>24575862
yes. Jon isn't a Targaryen.

>>24561484
GRRM already said the Third head doesn't have to be a Targ, so its either Tyrion or Bran. Since we know how the series ends, its probably the later.

>>24566037
kino

>>24566666
witnessed

>>24567123
2 more years

>>24575654
This reminds me of all those woman who ship Sauron with Daenerys.

>2028
>George is on his deathbed
>bemoans that the stress and pressure brought on by the finale of the tv show
>blames D&D, Trump and toxic fans for not finishing the series
>admits he had all his drafts for winds and dream destroyed
>shits himself and dies

>>24576098
very cute art

Varamyr Foreskins

>>24574777
>/ss/
i like this theory

>>24574777
I like most of it. I just don't think Aegon would marry Cersei when he's holding out for Dany. And CerseiCoin is currently plummetting. Imagine marrying her right after her walk of shame. There's definitely better women in Westeros for Aegon to marry right now, most obviously Margaery and Sansa. An Aegon-Sansa betrothal is due based off the Tourney at Ashford theory.

>>24577081
>Imagine marrying her right after her walk of shame
hot

I can’t believe I was banned for racism for 3 days! 3 day ban for saying the n-word twice! I mean I love diversity and all but give me a brake! This is 4chan, of course we throw slurs like there is no tomorrow.

Shame on you, mods, you bunch of n-word!

On a scale of 1 to 10 how retarded was Jeor Mormont’s great ranging?

>>24577081
an aegon-sansa pairing would be kino

>>24577340
what would you had him do instead?
they needed to know more of their enemies and sending scouting parties doesn't work. even the best rangers don't return.

>>24577589
NTA but since he knew wights are real and walking around he probably should've prepared a bit more to take them on.

Does Myrcella have a better claim than Tommen?

>>24577610
>he probably should've prepared a bit more to take them on
nigga he went on a fucking great ranging.
how would you had him prepare a bit more?
>>24577612
in Dorne, sure.

>>24560122
This made me laugh out loud, rolling on the F(sofa) laughing. I think GRRM tells an excellent story with interesting characters, and the repetition of phrases is one of the things that makes it feel more like a living experience. I think internally, I have my own "catchphrases" or observations that haunt me that repeat in my own head, and the repetition can make it seem emptier or carry more weight depending on life context.

>>24560438
Incest is the purest form of love.

>>24564089
what does it even mean to "sexualize" something? If something evokes sexual impulses you did not change the nature of the thing itself, its just a reaction to it.Internal nature may change reaction, but then you can say nothing is sexual "by nature"

>>24577589
His enemies are:
1) Wildlings; no king beyond the wall has ever been defeated without Winterfell's help.
2) Others; literally an apocalyptic threat. What the fuck is a paltry force of a few hundred going to do? Stay behind your wall.

>>24566648
>>24566658
>>24566663
There are some faggots on /lit/, makes me feel bleh about the board but im glad some people can have fun.

>>24577629
>how would you had him prepare a bit more?
Carry some oil with you or other things you can ignite since it's confirmed regular weapons are not as good against them but fire is really effective? He used fucking caltrops to try and slow them down cause he assumed they had the same weaknesses as regular humans.

>>24577133
>double necklace
Why the double necklace, dumb slut?

>>24577658
It's a gay site, anon

>>24577455
>aegon-sansa
is it her destiny to bounce from one fake prince to the next her whole life?

>>24578574
Imagine if Barristan jumps ship with Dany and joins Young Griff
it would be his what? 5th king?

>"Watch where you set your feet," Drey cautioned. "It has been a while since Prince Oberyn milked the local vipers."

>"I was weaned on venom, Dalt. Any viper takes a bite of me will rue it." Ser Gerold vanished through a broken arch.

Guys, I'm starting to think that Aerion Brightflame's wildfire may have been poisoned.

>>24579065
Listen to your (((Maesters))), Lordling. The madman drank liquid fire.
Who do you think did it though. Bloodraven?

>>24578525
i didnt mean literally homo. just people that act like fags, was praising the funposters

>>24579044
based

>There are characters who never made it onto the screen at all, and others who died in the show but still live in the books… so if nothing else, the readers will learn what happened to Jeyne Poole, Lady Stoneheart, Penny and her pig, Skahaz Shavepate, Arianne Martell, Darkstar, Victarion Greyjoy, Ser Garlan the Gallant, Aegon VI, and a myriad of other characters both great and small that viewers of the show never had the chance to meet.

>I have viewpoint characters in the books never seen on the show: Victarion Greyjoy, Arianne Martell, Areo Hotah, Jon Connington, Aeron Damphair They will all have chapters, and the things they do and say will impact the story and the major characters who were on the show. I have legions of secondary characters, not POVs but nonetheless important to the plot, who also figure in the story: Lady Stoneheart, Young Griff, the Tattered Prince, Penny, Brown Ben Plumm, the Shavepate, Marwyn the Mage, Darkstar, Jeyne Westerling. Some characters you saw in the show are quite different than the versions in the novels. Yarra Greyjoy is not Asha Greyjoy, and HBO’s Euron Greyjoy is way, way, way, way different from mine. Quaithe still has a part to play. So does Rickon Stark. And poor Jeyne Poole.

Arianne, Victarion, Lady Stoneheart, Young Griff, Darkstar, Penny and Jeyne Poole are the only characters GRRM mentioned both times when talking about characters who weren't in the show but will be relevant in the later books.

>>24579243
I have no doubt D&D eliminated all the bloat characters

>>24579343
Removed so much bloat characters that the showfags think every house is at the verge of extinction

Literally the only book I care about at this point is Blood & Fire (no not Fire & Blood retard, the sequel to it)

>>24560469
i never understood the whole "jaime opens up ilyn" thing
they did cut out his tongue, but surely he could communicate what he heard from jaime in some other way, e.g. by writing?

>>24579675
never understood that either

>>24579669
George frantically rewriting it full of snide jabs at HOTD's worldbuilding as we speak.

>>24579675
he is mentioned to be illiterate

>>24579675
>Ilyn lost his tongue and now only has his two-handed sword and executions
>Jaime lost his sword hand and now can only threaten and joke
>they become friends
KINO

Is the series release so far worth reading or is it just a waste of time just because George is never going to finish now?

>>24579669
the one thing I want from Blood & Fire is an explanation of why Maegor Brightflame literally just disappears from history after the Great Council of 233, and why, despite Aegon V being surrounded by rebellious lords who hated him for being too woke, none of them ever tried to use Maegor II as a puppet king to rally their rebellion around, or repudiated the Great Council for being corrupted by Bloodraven's slaying of Aenys Blackfyre

>>24579578
It's an adaption can't have a bunch of one off appearances and offhand mentions, paying these people, allocating screen time and then actually expecting the audience to give a damn, or even bother to remember them, I'm not saying all of their choices of simplifying or combining characters was for the best or even the right choice but let be reasonable.

GRRMs story is bloated, and i bet when they had that sit-down with him after season 4 they realized almost none of them had shit to do with the endgame of the story, so they were just cut. D&D are retarded, but even you can realize that shit just wouldn't work on screen, like sure some are cool ideas but would they really resonate with the audience? Like who would give a fuck about FAegon? The audience wouldn't care, you'd be introducing this variable so late into the series and doubtful you could even do him justice?

>The reign of King Maegor I Targaryen, known to history and legend as Maegor the Cruel, lasted six years and sixty-six days.
Very subtle, Martin

>>24579798
The majority of the fanbase is women.

Make your decision with that info in mind.

>>24560109 (OP)
>Aegon VI
MY FUCKING HERO

>>24579798
>Is the series release so far worth reading or is it just a waste of time just because George is never going to finish now?

"Dune" is the greatest sci-fi story ever and it's unfinished (because Frank Herbert died, not because he was a lazy fat fuck like GRRM).

>>24579243
>Penny and her pig

>>24579669
Muh glup shitto wiki articles

>>24579044
how cool would it be if Darkstar has some magical shit going on?

>>24580125
Sell me on Dune. It just really doesn't interest me at all.

>>24580125
"unfinished" i mean come on what the fuck is the point reading past god emperor of dune? The story concludes just perfect right there. I only read the synopsis of the book after that desu but I remember it saying something like "10,000 years after the events of god emperor" or some shit and I thought "nah"

Lisan Al-Gha- errr... I mean Azor Ahai!

>>24580142
Gaps the fuck out of hearing about Dany shitting water

>>24580414
I'm not that guy but I think the first book is a very good read, well it does show a very alien world I think it does a good job of showing you the lore without dumping walls of text. If it doesn't interest you at all that's kind of your own business and might not be worth the time to read, but I say give it a chance the first chapter kind of won me over

>>24580561
You could even stop after Messiah and be fine, some people (including GRRM as I recall) don't care much for anything past that point. That's also where Villeneuve thinks the movies should stop.
Picrel is a pretty good summary, even though it's biased in favor of God Emperor and it might use an extra tier between 4 and 5 with Hunters of Dune/Sandworms of Dune (the Anderson/Brian Herbert conclusion to the main Dune story, supposedly based in some part on an outline by Frank) and The Road to Dune (which includes actual notes and deleted material from Herbert), for people who are really desperate for any morsel of Frank even if heavily bastardized or just want to sample how bad the new books are.

A pox on the house of Martin. May his "sword" be always flaccid, his hairline in retreat, and his pillow always too hot even if turned to the other side.

It really is crazy how many w*men on r*ddit lust after Maegor and have to point out how bad he is while doing so. How do you know he was bad? Because a citadel nigger told you so? Because you read a book written by an oldtown nigger? God these people haven't got a lick of sense in them I tell you. Thank god that /lit/ is a Maegor board.

>>24581378
This is an anti targ board homo

>>24581388
>anti targ
>posts descendants of the velaryon usurper

aegon was sterile so both aenys and maegor are bastards

>>24581415
TRVKE that makes incest fetishists shit themselves

>>24581507
You would be one too if you had hot sisters.

>>24580125
>Dune
>sci-fi

fi, fi. it rhymes with pie.

>>24581606
Holy shit that's the actual title? Kek GRRM got senile

according to grrrrrrrm stannis is a righteous man

>>24580125
I cannot stand galaxy-spanning stories because they treat entire planet systems like villages. Look how much turmoil our planet has seen historically, how many different languages there are and how different people are just within a few miles of eachother. Everything is so fucking grand scale in Dune, 40K and Star Wars that I don't believe some twirp could make a difference.

>upcoming GRRM event at comic-con
>not even a slimmer of hype from the fandom anywhere (4chan, reddit, ASOIAF forums) because everyone knows he’s just there to shill the Winds illustrated edition
Bleak state of things

>>24581689
>the Winds illustrated edition
Qrd?

>>24581714
I meant the Feast illustrated edition*

>>24581922
wrong,your typo is now the newest copium

He's gonna show up to comicon with a complete and illustrated copy of Winds. GET HYPE!

What is the asoiaf version of this meme?

>>24580824
Fair enough. Maybe I just don't have context of what the overall story is. Only the memes like the spice must flow and the sandworms and whatnot. I might give it a try one day.

>>24581689
>the Winds illustrated edition
>tfw George having been secretly working with an artist to draw each and every chapter of Winds still doesn't explain the 14 year gap in between Feast and Winds
It really is over huh brochachos?

>>24577640
I learned that it unironically really was this year. It can never be and I came to terms with it but it really made me question everything I thought about love.

>>24581388
Maegor the cool is hated by Targs so he gets a pass

>>24582080
Preston Jacobs paying for a dinner with GRRM and asking him a bunch of questions that he ignored to make small talk about food

>>24582080
>Your Azor Ahai Theory Sucks
>Your Jon/Dany Parentage Theory Sucks
>Your Bran Theory Sucks

>>24582133
When we can birth sisterdaughtermotheraunt wife robots romance will heal

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>>24582543
>>24582543