>read Roman Catholic or Orthodox theology
>ok I can understand why people would find this beautiful but I don't care for it
>read Reformed theology
>better understand the core of Christianity, am edified by my understanding of Christ's sacrifice
Why does /lit/ hate the reformers again?

>calvinism
repent, heretic

rei i want to protect you

>>24601242
Asuka fags need to be put in camps

>>24600966 (OP)
>Reformed theology
like who?

Viva Munster!

>>24600966 (OP)
Basically because of >>24601255 being the direct result of their actions. You can basically blame the current shitty state of the world, especially the West, on things unleashed by the Reformation.

>>24601459
>you can blame
You can shit from your eyes.
Ducks can implode hydrogen from chocolate.
Thing can thing, trust me bro.

>>24601466
t. Seething Prot

I bet you come from a denomination with woman priests

>>24601468
>priests
Woah son, have you actually sat down and read what the Son of Man actually said?

>>24600983
Was John Calvin the guy who sold tickets to Heaven? I forget.

>>24601468
Catholics worship a female god.

>>24601476
>Was John Calvin the guy who sold tickets to Heaven? I forget.
No, that was Sipo Saul.

>>24601255
Murica in a nutshell

>>24600966 (OP)
same

>>24601255
As someone that grew up in the US, but not Chirstian and has never set foot in a church even once, this shit is genuinely painful to watch. What the fuck is this?

Is this a Protestant or Catholic thing? Something else all-together?

>>24603908
Protestant. Catholics have laws against being cringe.
>>24601485
She's not God just the portal by which he entered the world, no big deal or anything

>>24603925
Are these the same types that burned my wife Joan?

>>24603942
Her situation is complicated. There was no formal division in the Church at the time other than the East West split so any religious people would be considered Catholic. I'd say she was killed mainly by the English. What is most important is that she is recognized as a saint by the Catholic Church today.

>>24603962
Interesting. Catholicism has always interested me and I've had a metaphorical boner for Joan of Arc since I was a kid. Often times Christians rub me the wrong way though and the only church nearby is one of those kinds that sit on street corners screaming shit at women for just existing.

>>24603974
Here, friend, an old site but a good one. Enjoy:

https://www.catholic.com/

>>24603925
>cringe
King David taking off his kingly robe and dancing in the middle of Jerusalem in praise of God for his victory against Israels enemies is cringe?

>>24601459
I agree but maybe for different reasons

>>24603974
Do not confuse Catholicism's earthly rule with the teachings of Jesus Christ of Nazareth; for whoever gains the world just as the prostitute, the Vatican Church, has, will lose the Heavenly Kingdom; like so, whoever loses the world will gain salvation. The Catholic church is a prime example of Gods children gone astray and gone drunk in the blood of its saints
>Executions of innumerable Protestants and non-Christians fighting against the corruption of the Catholic Church; much against the peaceful teachings of Jesus Christ
>Denial of marriage for priests which the original apostles frowned upon
>denial of meat during Lent which the apostles warned against, heeding against doctrines of devils modern catholics follow
A true abomination we have an anon >>24604014
here influencing a lost soul into a satanic movement.

>>24605422
Reading that text I can only think of Pauls sayings: Romans 10:12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him,

With the Reneissance came many good things to man, such as the increase of reading capabilities, not only amongst men; but women; now anyone can have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Sure, bibles were expensive and rare, but did you know ancient Jews every 7 years performed an entire reading of their scripture to all the populace to educate everyone, absolutely everyone, on the entirety of the divine readings on which civilization itself, upon which common man and woman stood upon, hinged on to dear life?

If the Catholic church had even attempted a non-cherrypicked total reading of the entirety of the scriptures even at least once every 100 years; the Catholic Church as the Vatican controlled it; would not be the same as it has managed to be, and become.

>>24605435
There's 1.3 billion of us spread across all seven continents. We've been more successful at fulfilling the Great Commission than any other Church. Surely God wouldn't hand such great success at winning souls over to an institution opposed to Him, would he?

>>24605435
A Protestant saying the Church cherry picks scripture (implying protestants don't) has got to be the funniest post I read today

>>24605435
>>24605468
>downloading all of scripture and ecclesiastical history directly into my brain, free of all corruption and interpretive error
>downloading
>downloading
Woah, turns out I’m saved and you’re both damned. Tough break!

Wishing my Orthodox brothers a prayerful and blessed liturgy today, and my Roman Catholic brothers a good mass as well. God bless all of you

>>24605446
Islam (1.9 billion) and Hinduism (1.2 billion) are also large; does that make them true? Jesus warned against majority approval: "Wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it." (Matthew 7:13)
"Do you think I came to bring peace? No, division!" (Luke 12:51)
>we r moar
Not quite. Protestants (1.2 billion) + Independents (500 million) = ~1.7 billion (Pew Research, 2023); outnumbering Catholics. But am I using an Appeal to Popularity fallacy? No!

Evangelical Protestantism is the fastest-growing Christian movement globally (especially in Africa, Latin America, and China). Catholicism’s growth is largely demographic (birth rates in Latin America/Philippines), not conversion-driven.
>God wouldn't bless a false movement
The argument assumes:
"God wouldn’t let a corrupt institution succeed."
Biblical counterexamples:
>God used pagan empires (Assyria, Babylon) to discipline Israel—success does not equate righteousness.
>Jesus rebuked Jerusalem’s temple system (Mark 11:17);even though it was "successful" and ancient; yet headed by snakes and vipers.
>Revelation 17-18 warns of a "great harlot" (false religion) with global influence. This harlot rides on seven hills. What is a city built on seven hills? Oh yeah; Rome.

>muh quality over quantity
Jesus commanded:
"Make disciples... teaching them to obey everything I commanded." (Matthew 28:19-20)
Catholicism’s problem:
Mixed gospel: Faith + works (sacraments, purgatory, Mary co-redemptrix) obscures grace.
Protestants emphasize Sola Fide (faith alone);clearer alignment with Paul’s teaching (Romans 3:28).

Historical Success does not equal Divine Favor
Byzantine Orthodoxy dominated for centuries;now a minority.
Medieval Catholicism ruled Europe;but birthed the Inquisition and indulgences.
God often works through remnants (Elijah’s 7,000 in 1 Kings 19:18), not just megachurches.

Truth is not a popularity contest.

>>24601255
>>24601459
>>24603925
You can find any religion or denomination acting retarded, it proves absolutely nothing if you're not a braindead retard. You people don't even like the state of modern Catholicism, you're all very explicitly 'TradCaths', so just a very obvious case of the pot calling the kettle black. If you read more books, i.e. the entire point of this board (not religious flame wars), if you were more cultured and better educated, then you would know that most of the achievements of Germanic countries since the Reformation belong to Protestant culture. Appreciating Protestant culture is inescapable for any well read individual, ESPECIALLY in the English language, which you're all using.

>>24605509
I don't have a problem with that pic. I love the idea that people in distant lands call Christ the King and belong to the Church.

>>24605519
You see absolutely wrong with the aesthetics of this image?

>>24605523
>absolutely wrong
absolutely *nothing wrong

how are anabaptists situated historically in respect to reformed theology

>>24605478
Protestant anon here, I don't think Catholics by default are damned, but if they follow the tenants of it
>mandated celibacy for priests (elders)
>papal authority as supreme
>syncretism with paganism
>persecution via Inquisition
>Ecumenism
>Sacramental System Over Faith (contradicting thief's faith on the cross)
Then all I can say is I can't say for certainty you're saved; which is a much different answer than you were looking for.

>>24605509
>If you read more books,
any recommendations?

>>24605523
Not really. I'm used to different cultures and times rendering Christ and His Mother according to their own traditions.

>>24605538
>how are anabaptists situated historically in respect to reformed theology
Anabaptists know with faith that the reformation is deficient catholicism, and view the reformation as the action of princes and popes to hold back christ's church in daily life through militant abolition of popes and princes by armed brothers and sisters in christ. Yes the Amish are backsliders. Last prince hanged with the guts of the last pope.

They get there through universal individual experience of living christ in theological terms.

>>24605556
>which is a much different answer than you were looking for.
You’re shadow boxing, my guy

>>24605580
>You're shadow boxing, my guy
I was hoping for that. You agree with what I'm saying then?

>>24605587
I’m afraid you are deeply confused. I’m talking about this interaction, not theologically, but possibly also theologically

>>24600966 (OP)
What's edifying about calvinism? The idea that free will is a sham and people are created for the explicit purpose of being sent to hell is horrifying. I can see a certain appeal in the simplicity of certain branches of protestantism, but frankly if you could prove to me that calvin's ideas on predestination were true I think I would just kill myself instantly.

>>24605590
Please elaborate otherwise you're just the one rambling here for all intents and purposes.

>>24605643
>I shitpost
>you incorrectly assume that I’m staking some legitimately held claim or other, and respond in good faith to a bad faith shitpost
>I point out that I was shitposting
>you ask me if I agree with you, on exactly which point idk because you are deeply confused about your own rhetorical footing
>I point out this confusion, and then quite explicitly announce my indifference and ignorance towards your theological leanings
>you demand that I clarify myself or else be made a fool
Are we up to speed now

>>24605666
So why has nobody responded to my three shitposts about anabaptism?

>>24605668
Probably because you’re worse at it than I am

>>24605673
I think it is because the catholics and protestants lack adequate training to realise why anabaptism was put down by united coalitions.

>>24605688
Know your audience. Any given Marxism thread is liable to give you a better reception on anabaptism than the average Christianity thread

>>24605704
Yeah, but it isn't as funny trolling Marxists about anabaptism because they don't realise that the class consciousness of the day was the apprehended world of being of the anabaptists, unless the marxists are auties and they're hard as fuck to troll.

You'd think that Christians would flee in terror from the free reading of their text in context as actual liberation here and now? Also, my name is Jan, please lend me all your wives now.

>>24605709
Munster ain’t just a type of cheese, I’ll tell ya that

Wow, Theism really is for retards. No, deity is not personal. No, deity does not do anything with humans.

>>24605802
Human beings in a mob
What's a mob to a king?
What's a king to a god?
What's a god to a non-believer?
Who don't believe in anything?

>>24605556
Everything you listed is absent from Orthodoxy although your last point is a theological misunderstanding

>>24600966 (OP)
I love the reformers. Maybe you need to check out the Puritan Board forums?

>>24605578
how is a historical posterior in an event which happened before or historically was a form primacy given precursor status by anabaptists or how was it given precursor status historically in anabaptists or anabaptism historically as well how did a view in catholicity on time change from a historical beginning when a catholic church was established to a time when a historical schism in regard to orthodoxy happened also historically how are a orthodox or a catholic church situated

>>24607303
I love how Mormon "scholars" have come up with increasingly deranged theories to explain the absolute lack of evidence for the Book of Mormon narrative.
>the term "horse" actually meant "tapir!!"
>it took place in a tiny part of north america!!
>it took place on a completely different continent!!!
>secret combinations and Catholics destroyed all the evidence!!!!

>>24606069
>Everything you listed is absent from Orthodoxy
Thats cool actually I hadnt looked into Orthodoxy much. What do you think about Lutheran churches and Anglican churches? My wife and I are looking for churches that practice the eucharist and are doctrinally sound as opposed to catholics

>>24601459
>when papists think all Protestants are the same
Lmao

>>24605556
>mandated celibacy for priests (elders)
Nothing in the Bible prohibits clerical celibacy.
>papal authority as supreme
Given the diverse landscape of doctrine interpretation among the many Protestant denominations, how do we explain these differences if not by the interpretation of one man or group being held as supreme over others, this man or men therefore playing the same role the Pope plays in Catholicism?
>syncretism with paganism
The syncretism question is always mentioned but on a closer look it's easy to notice the veneration of saints is widely distinct from any form of paganism ever practiced in antiquity.
>persecution via Inquisition
Also done by Protestants against each other and against Catholics.
>Ecumenism
So the Church is evil for persecuting people but also evil for repenting and trying to be friends with everyone? Which is it?
>Sacramental System Over Faith (contradicting thief's faith on the cross)
Why bother baptizing people at all then? A simple statement of faith would suffice.

>>24606182
Anabaptism viewed Christ's Church as immanent, and their theological horizon wasn't universal or scholarly. Orthodoxy didn't have a deep impact on the North German Plain. Salvation was a Christ is Here and Now issue for Anabaptism. Orthodoxy wasn't Here and Now. Catholicism and Luther were Here and Now.

Anabaptism didn't have a civil-social historical scope of the church as an institution of man. The Real Church was an Institution of God immanentisable by correct worship by us reading this here bible and acting now.

>>24607316
They are sealed by commandments of man, they have to believe some word of man is equal in authority to Word of God that the book came from the Americas, when it is very clearly from Beta Israel in Ethiopia, the only place where there was a separated diaspora of Jews in such a large place that converted to Christianity and remained separate for so long (see: Prester John, isle Comoros capitol Moroni, Koran on Sabians' mystery people, &c)

>>24607316
>completely different continent
Beats
>Joseph Smith was simultaneously insane enough, intelligent enough, and orthodox enough in Christian theology to somehow mock up an entire Book of Mormon which has endured all persecutions and confounds everyone save the elect to this very day

>>24607827
>Nothing in the Bible prohibits clerical celibacy.
Paul says in 1 Timothy
>Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils, speaking lies in hyposcrisy;
>Having their conscience seared with a hot iron; forbidding to marry

Verily the Koran is true. It is completely compatible with the Bible. God has confounded us all since the tower of Babel. Sabians are descended of the Lehite migration around 600 BC from Jerusalem before the destruction. You can see their descendants still in Ethiopia and Beta Israel. The myth of Prester John comes from this far-flung Christian nation. You can also see Moroni is the capitol of Cumorah, or Comoros, an island east of Africa and in the same region. Early Islamic history recounts a mission to Ethiopia where some of the earliest Muslims went to visit the Sabians.

Of course, in order to comprehend this all, you must have a good understanding of the Gospel as written in the New Testament.

>>24601547
Low hanging fruit. Would like me to talk about how hospitals in your neck of the woods keep getting bombs dropped on them and killing kids, achmed? Didn't think so.

>>24608150
you posted in the boy thread and saw my words and emulated them.

>>24605572
>posts AI generated slop

>>24600966 (OP)
Take the Arminianpill

>>24608191
Calvin < Arminius <= Wesley < Joseph Smith and the African Bible >>24607303

What theology is it where you never go to church or read some other guy's system, but get all your ideas directly from the Bible?

>>24608197
see
>>24606931

>>24607316
The thing is, we know it is true because of the testimony of the Holy Ghost in our hearts, so we have to conform everything else to that faith, otherwise we apostatize and lose access to God

>>24607316
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophecy_of_the_Popes
If you de-crunch the last two entries they stand for Francis and Leo
If you do the same for Doctrine and Covenants 87 and make "Even the nation of Great Britain" a new line it will stand for a fulfilled prophecy
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/87?lang=eng

>>24608197

>>24608073
Yes, actually, he was fully capable of writing the thing himself. The MIDF loves to act like he was almost braindead and couldn't possibly have written anything without divine aid when his letters and personal writings, not to mention the wealth of material available to draw on, shows this was clearly not the case.
>>24608067
>>24608218
>>24608206
The definition of cope.

>>24608304
Coward and loser

>>24608309
do NOT research SEC release 96951

>>24608313
>organizational hogwash
Not a member
READ THE POSTS YOU REPLIED TO BEFORE YOU REPLY TO THEM MORON

>>24608304
>MIDF
They have the impossible task of justifying how a book from Africa with horses in it could somehow have come up in America in stead, they are completely blindsided when the truth of their own book hits them just like every pseudoChristian will be at judgment

>>24608304
>he was fully capable of writing a vintage 5th century style book in 19th century
Tell me how I know you never read the title page

>>24608327
>vintage 5th century style book
It's blatantly, blatantly a ripoff of the KJV. C'mon dude, this is sophistry.
And that's beside the point, because the argument you people make (he was too dumb and retarded to have written the thing therefore it must have been legit) is retarded. He was very literate and intelligent and had access to not only the KJV but a profusion of religious and pseudo-religious writings to draw on.

>>24608340
That argument is retarded I'll agree
The book is completely original though and nobody could fake it having read the whole thing for myself it is clearly a restoration of the Gospel to the Lamanites (black africans)

>>24608340
see
>>24606931

IT IS HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT

>>24608340
>sophistry
Because I confound what your paid daddies teach you?
Because I want you to read something for yourself and not go by assumptions?

>>24608390
Idk where you even got this "5th century" shit from, dawg. Anyone who's ever read the KJV and BOM side by side (aka anyone who ever had to suffer through 4 years of high school seminary) knows how (drearily) similar the language is between the two... deliberately so, because Smith intentionally wrote the BOM to sound like the KJV, in English intended to sound like the KJV's English, and heavily drew on it as a source. Whatever you're trying to argue by claiming the BoM was a "vintage 5th century style book," you're doing a poor job of it, and whatever argument you employ does nothing to 1) prove that Smith couldn't have written the BoM or 2) disprove the fact that he did indeed write it himself.
Also, it's cute how you try using these good-little-mormon gotcha phrases. Yeah man, you're totally "confounding" me, lol. Reply with "get thee hence" and I might even disappear in a puff of smoke.

>>24608412
Pitiable slave-brain

>>24608412
I already answered your claims and you failed to even address mine. I accept your concession and surrendur.

>>24605712
Jan's mold was extremely moldy
Holy shit

>>24605478
You missed one:
>>24607303

>>24608428
(You)
>>24608431
Whatever you say, bro.
It's funny you make this "5th century" claim, as it undermines your position. If you're claiming the BoM is legit... and represents a historical record of ancient Jewish people who sailed across the Atlantic and lived in the Americas for a thousand years... and they never sailed back and had further contact with Europe or the Near East... then it would make zero sense for the BoM to resemble anything being written in the 5th century back on the continent, and making that argument strongly implies that the BoM narrative as written is bullshit (which, spoiler alert, it is!).

>>24608449
>across the Red Sea and lived in Ethiopia
Prester John
Isle of Comoros - capitol is Moroni
It's a 5th century redaction of much that was already written
Joseph Smith's bible contains a couple of interpolated Jesus references to nail shut the argument against anachronisms - if they confound you you are lost of your own volition because God wanted there to be a book to retroactively refer to Jesus as the Old Testament prophecies could not possibly have artificially referred to him more than they already did naturally

>>24608454
Oh my bad, I thought I was replying to a normal MIDF poster and not a schizophrenic. Have a nice day.

>>24608458
You just lost bro and you didn't even read

>>24608461
There's regular mormon retardation and then there's making the absurd claim that the narrative is actually about Ethiopia and that Smith's narrative of finding the plates in New York and everything he wrote (including volumes about how America will be the new Eden and so on) just happened to never mention that minor little detail.

>>24608474
It was purposed to confound all heretics who would seek to impose a single word of man on the body of believers - if the aaronic priesthood assumes something to be true, and try to go by it as if it was the word of god, they would divorce themselves from true faith in God's word alone as he has written countless times across both testaments and Koran (he already made two competing religions that both say the same thing and are mutually compatible 100% unless you willfully impose definitions of man on the original Arabic and Greek)

1972 was the year the Book of Mormon walked on the moon and also this picture of Earth was taken - look at the Holy Land, Mecca, and AFRICA all in it.
& The LDS leader Joseph Fielding Smith who said man would never walk on the moon, had this happen while he was the president of the organizational structure.

The sealed Joseph Smith Inspired Version of the Bible wasn't published until 1867 - after blacks were freed in the USA. This because it says the children of Cain were BLACK.

"Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment"
Read the book before you try to disagree with it.

>schizo
>retarded
I spare not the rod, that is all.

>>24605509
>English language
Also the language of the holy version of the Bible via prophet Joseph Smith

>>24608340
Joseph Smith's version is better

>>24608363
What is?

>>24608474
>>24608458
>>24608449
Is picrel >>24593478 yfw rn?

>>24607525
I have to admit that I'm not familiar at all with protestant denominations, my general position is that it's better to be Christian than anything else anyway but that Orthodoxy is the one possessing the fullness of the truth. If being received into Orthodoxy is an option for you I would look into that, otherwise I suppose Anglicanism is the way to go since it actually has a liturgical structure, ecclesiology, etc
God bless my friend

>>24608606
>Anglicanism
You better make sure you know what your talking about recommending Calvinism without knowing it is satanism in disguise

>>24608608
As far as I know anglicanism does not endorse double predetermination but yeah I would not "recommend" protestantism to anyone, I was just saying that to the other anon in case he didn't even want to consider the possibility of becoming Orthodox. I maintain that Orthodoxy is the true church of Christ, and since he seems to place some importance on the eucharist, doubly so

>>24608613
If Orthodoxy is the true church then why was it co-opted by Russia and occupied by Turkey otherwise? You think God would let the whole Christendom apostatize?

>>24600966 (OP)
>Why does /lit/ hate the reformers again?
Same reason we hate all princes and popes: they have a position on childhood baptism not found in the text.

>>24608618
There are always arguments like these on all sides. "If Catholicism is the true church then why X, if Orthodoxy is the true church than why Y...", it's sterile and pointless. Investigating seriously into the history of Christianity leads you to either of two conclusions, if you are researching earnestly and in good faith: that Catholicism is true, or that Orthodoxy is true. Much like the Resurrection itself, a leap of faith is needed at some point, historical evidence is not a substitute for faith

>>24608654
Both are true enough to satisfy the statement that the gates of hell will not overcome the church
Both of them have a great deal of historical problems
Protestantism as well
It is all UNDER CONSTRUCTION
see: >>24607303

>>24608666
begone satan

>>24608654
Okay, you've just improved the quality of shitposting in this thread. Are you aware of the hermeneutic terms "exegesis" and "eisegsis"?

In exegesis a reading attempts by grappling with the text, its homologues and constituent con-texts, to derive the meanings of the words without inserting reader intentions (yes this is fucking difficult, that's why we have peer review etc.). But exegesis attempts to not project into the text.

Eisegesis is normally the "uninspired" projection of the reader into the text. This is a failure, like if I read that your text ("post") claims that anabaptism is the correct stance on all religious teachings and ought to be enforced by a violent crusade against the non-believers, fuelled by fervent faith and it would be unlawful to speculate but you get my point, remember Munster. However, were I inspired by Christ, and truly by Christ, in my reading, then the eisegesis would be correct as it would be "inspired" by the true cardinal point of all possible readings and all truth, Christ our Saviour and Redeemer made flesh in armed reciprocating self-loading action.

The problem you've reached in hermeneusis of texts is that without Faith or Mere Physical Violence no reading can be justified outside of exegesis. This isn't a problem for civil history, or civil biology, or civil Theology. But as soon as you require Actual Truth then either the Living Christ Made Flesh or the Living Christ Made Flesh with an AK-47 is the rule. Please stop acting the mother fucking fool.

My name is Jan, please lend me your wife.

>>24608668
You are surely incorrect
I have the Holy Ghost to confirm to me that you are confounded

>>24608666
Unfortunate trips
My personal belief, which I don't claim to be dogmatic but is nevertheless not heretical, is that RC and EO are indeed two lungs of the Church, and though I may be biased in saying that EO possesses the truth to a fuller extent than RC, which has "atrophied" by seceding, they both fulfill a purpose.
But without apostolic succession, something fundamental is lost.

>>24608671
>eisegsis
eisegesis you stupid fuck.

>>24608313
>>24608474
>>24608668
EVALUATE
THE
CLAIM.

>>24608673
>unfortunate
666 = two thirds of a thousand, which is a company whole
If the company of christendom be divided half-wrong half-wrong and one third right, then the two that are wrong will condemn the correct one in beastly coherence (romans and jews persecute Jesus)
Do not settle for half-wrong commandments of man
Seek ye the Lord of all

>Islam is true, Christianity is false, so the guy who says Islam and Christianity are compatible is double-falise
>Traditional Christianity is true, Islam is false, so the guy who says to reject Traditional Christianity and accept both the Bible and Koran must be false
These are the words of the modern day heretics who deny the Holy Ghost and blaspheme the word of God with their usurpations

>>24608666
My doctrine is proved by the number of the beast as it refers to both the half of Christendom that is Catholic and the half that is sectarian
BOTH ARE WRONG TOGETHER!

>>24608695
Divide them further into sixths
There are 12 types!
12 tribes!
Catholics:
>Native American
>Philipino
>Romance Language Europeans
>Germans
>Poles
>English-language Catholics also
Sectarians:
>Anglicans
>Eastern Orthodoxy
>Oriental Orthodoxy
>high church Protestants
>low church Protestants
>Restorationists &c Including the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints

>>24608673
>fuller extent
They do have the Greek I agree
But they don't have the Hebrew like the Protestants do

AGAIN
>>24607303

>>24608712
AND AGAIN IT MUST BE PUBLISHED

"This calls for wisdom: LET THE ONE WHO HAS UNDERSTANDING calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and that number is 666"

>>24608666
>under construction
Progressive revelation works like that.

>>24608703
An interesting idea but probably could be better refined as some of the groups greatly outnumber others

>>24605446
And you have been the ones to condemn others performing miracles in Christ's name as much as all others combined. Such is reasonable to expect as you make up the half of Christendom they all split off from.

>>24600983
fpbp

>>24608363
>>24608596
THE
BOOK
OF
MORMONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

Guys I'm sorry for giving the resident schizo any attention earlier. Half the thread is full of his shit now.

>>24608751
Are you not a Christian?

>>24608760
Apparently not. He said he was raised a Mormon but disbelieved after 4 years of forced pseudoEducation

>>24601255
What the heck

>>24608751
I am Jesus

>>24601255
>reformed
nice strawman

>>24601459
very poor logic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46PXaJxzuDE

>>24605446
go back to Rome, faggot

>>24608786
Utterly deranged.

>>24608082
that anon doesn't read his bible

>>24608792
see
>>24608774

>>24608786
This video contains an anachronism
Real Lehites are black

>>24608810
>144th post
THIS ANON PROVED CORRECT >>24608720

>>24608412
>get thee hence
Didn't even have to say it.

>>24608774
wut

>>24608810
>posts a nude Venus
>on a Work Safe Board
SHYGDDT

>>24605556
>any recommendations
>>24608233
try Mormon's >>24607303

>>24601252
Bible study summer camps maybe

>>24608668
Satan is confounded

>>24603908
These are Evangelical Protestants. Catholics don't have this cringe dancing bullshit and worshipping of the State of Israel in their churches.

>>24608197
Depending on how morally perfect you are, God will show you everything. The sky's the limit!

>>24608888
>Evangelical
That just means you proselytize the Gospel

>>24605802
And also, I'm trans.

>>24608218
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pietro_Parolin

>>24603908
Does that look like a Catholic church? It's a generic conference room or something.

>>24605587
He does or is too stupid to know

>>24601255
That's Pentecostalism which started in the 20th century. You may as well post a Catholic clown mass.

Try looking at an actual Calvinist service, it's as far as you can get from that.

>>24608932
>Institutes of Satanic Apologetics
No thanks.

>Hi I'm John Calvin and I'm going to write 1001 reasons to schism the church
Heretic.

>>24608932
>Pentecostalism is a movement within the broader Evangelical wing of Protestant Christianity that emphasizes direct personal experience of God through baptism with the Holy Spirit
>Evangelical
That explains the jew flag in the background.
> baptism with the Holy Spirit
That explains the retarded running.

>>24608786
Video contains inaccuracies
1. Lehites are black africans not native americans
2. "Sex with a virgin" is a joke

>This generation wants a sign
ISHYGDDT.

>taking authority from anything but the bible directly
Just stick a bone through your nose at that point

>>24608888
>the reason I don't like this sect is (something only liberal members do)
Satan's false equivalencies can't seriously work this well?!

>>24609178
Only on the weak minded.

>>24608441
All means all, and is means is

>>24609890
Then you are one who gnos

>>24609174
I wonder how the bible was collated. Oh well, it’s probably not important since the Bible doesn’t say!

>>24601459
>catholicism's sole preoccupation has always been the equal distribution of earthly pleasures and money therefore the current year can be blamed on..........the reformation

They really do cry out in pain as they strike you.

>>24608618
Whichever is the true church is the church that Satan will hate the most.

>read any sort of theology, spirituality, or mysticism
>impenetrable wall of meaningless jargon

I'm just not cut out for religion.

>>24610659
Just read the book of Matthew in whatever translation you like to get a feel for Christianity, everyone makes it infinitely more confusing than it is (flaw of man, pride, ego). I’ll spoil the gospels for you, Jesus commands everyone to “love one another as I’ve loved you”. He also died (as the ultimate act of love). So if you love your neighbor as yourself, you’re doing exactly as Christ asked and he would call you a good boy/girl. All this blah blah blah you hear/read people talking about is just people’s own head canon, organized into denominations.

>>24608792
the bible is clear. any doctrine that forbids marriage and meat is a doctrine of devils. I don't know why you find it impossible to believe God's church has been subverted; it's happened over and over in the old testament; becoming a recurring theme. In the New Testament, the Apostle Peter too was consumed by Satan per Jesus' own rebuke; later, after resurrection, the Apostle Paul mentions the man of lawlessness (satan) is at work in the church's orders
2 Thessalonians 2
>The Man of Lawlessness
>2 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. 3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness[a] is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
>5 Don’t you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? 6 And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. 7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, 10 and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
>Stand Firm
>13 But we ought always to thank God for you, brothers and sisters loved by the Lord, because God chose you as firstfruits[b] to be saved through the sanctifying work of the Spirit and through belief in the truth. 14 He called you to this through our gospel, that you might share in the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
>15 So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the teachings[c] we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.
>16 May our Lord Jesus Christ himself and God our Father, who loved us and by his grace gave us eternal encouragement and good hope, 17 encourage your hearts and strengthen you in every good deed and word.

I don't why you feel free to say "he's wrong, he doesn't read enough" in confident ignorance; yet not elaborate. Either out of ego, deceit, or both. Either way, it's very disingenous, anyone can see it.

>>24610606
So... LDS then?

>>24608794
>>24610897
Accidental straw-man, I apologize

>>24600966 (OP)
>for sale: bible, never read

>>24610897
I said that anon doesn't read his bible because he's trying to justify the mandatory celibacy of bishops and priests. The Bible does not prohibit priests to marry, like the Catholic church says, and actually suggests they should be the head of a well ordered family as evidence that they know how to lead.

>>24607827
>>24608608

If popes are infallible in doctrine, why do we see:

Liberius signing an Arian creed?

Honorius condemned as a heretic?

Nicholas I vs. Innocent IV on torture?

Stephen VI desecrating a dead pope?

>Given the diverse landscape of doctrine interpretation among the many Protestant denominations, how do we explain these differences if not by the interpretation of one man or group being held as supreme over others, this man or men therefore playing the same role the Pope plays in Catholicism?
While Peter was a prominent apostle, the Bible never suggests he (or his successors) had infallible authority. In fact:
Peter was rebuked by Paul for hypocrisy (Galatians 2:11-14).
You are the only one here not reading your bible, hypocrite.
Church decisions were made collectively (Acts 15, the Jerusalem Council), not by Peter alone.

Pope Victor I (2nd century) tried to excommunicate Eastern churches over the Easter date controversy but was rebuked by other bishops (Eusebius, Church History 5.23-25) Here we see early signs within the catholics of papal FALLBILITY over nonsense given Paul allowed christians and jews to follow their own customs individually as all are one under Christ.

Cont;

>>24610943
my bad. >>24607827
>The syncretism question is always mentioned but on a closer look it's easy to notice the veneration of saints is widely distinct from any form of paganism ever practiced in antiquity.
This is true but this doesn't address that too many catholics bow to saints when not even angels themselves appreciated the apostle John bowing down to angels in Revelation; heeding that bowing comes only to the Lord.

In fact, even Peter himself rejected veneration.
>Cornelius bowed, Peter "lifted him up, saying, ‘Stand up; I too am a man’" (Acts 10:25-26).

>Also done by Protestants against each other and against Catholics.
I condemn Protestants who support killing and too, catholics who justify its own crusades.

>So the Church is evil for persecuting people but also evil for repenting and trying to be friends with everyone? Which is it?
The Early Church did not practice modern ecumenism. The Apostles condemned false teachers (Galatians 1:8-9; 2 Peter 2:1), did not join in worship with heretics, and held councils to define truth (Acts 15).
>Joint Catholic-Lutheran statements (1999) claiming "justification by faith" agreements;meanwhile Rome still teaches faith + works (Trent, Canon 9).
>Pope Francis praying with pagan idols (2019 Amazon Synod)

Now on baptism:
The early church taught baptism was spiritual. Cyril of Jerusalem taught baptism seals grace but noted "the thief entered paradise without baptism" (Catechetical Lectures 5:6). In the early days, the councils (Nicaea, Chalcedon) decided doctrine by bishops collectively. Popes submitted to councils (e.g., Honorius condemned by Constantinople III).

It seems man sees Catholicism as this one great empire worthy of the great God, not realizing why Jesus came riding on a donkey into Jerusalem, against your own very own expectations of who the true Messiah is. Catholics confuse the great roman empire's embrace of catholicism, starting with Constantine; as an excuse to start compromising on the Nazareth's teaching simply for the convenience of glorifying Catholic Rome
>Augustine's satanic "Just War" doctrine
Even pope Francis disavows just wars.

>>24607934
>"Catholicism and Luther were Here and Now": Debatable. Catholicism and Lutheranism retained sacramental and institutional mediation, whereas Anabaptists sought unmediated discipleship.
>"Orthodoxy wasn’t Here and Now"
A simplification. Eastern Orthodoxy emphasizes theosis (divinization) as a lifelong process, but Anabaptists were more radical in rejecting hierarchy and sacramentalism.
>militant abolition of popes and princes
This applies only to the violent fringe (e.g., Thomas Müntzer, Münster Rebellion). Most Anabaptists were pacifists.
>Amish are backsliders
A polemical view. The Amish (and Mennonites) are heirs of the peaceful Anabaptist tradition, prioritizing separation from the world over revolution.

Everything you say is of the devil and contrary to history under even minimum scrutiny. Please try again.

>>24610659
Just listen to preaching, theology is a waste of time
>>24609893
>Bible collation refers to the process of comparing different manuscripts or versions of the Bible to establish a more accurate and reliable text
For the Greek [Textus Receptus] they compared the text of all known copies from a certain era, and kept only the ones that agreed (95%) which was a significant portion of what was around at the time (hence the name). Newer bibles tend to favour recent discoveries like the dead sea scrolls or that Latin bible they found in a trash can in a monastery. They are also produced by people I wouldn't regard as Christian, who do not believe the bible is infallible and who are incentivised by profit to keep churning out newer translations until the end of time.

Since you can't argue that
>Catholics wrote the bible
you've moved onto
>Catholics preserved the bible
Nonsense. God made promises to preserve His word. No more did you preserve it than the Philistines preserved the arc of the covenant when they laid hold of it, man cannot overcome God. Had Muslims become the sole owners of scripture, it still would exist today.
Exodus 24:3; Deuteronomy 6:6-9; 29:29; Joshua 1:8; Job 23:12; Psalm 1:1-3; 12:6-7; 19:7-11; 119:9, 11, 89, 105, 130, 172; John 10:35; 2 Timothy 3:16-17; James 1:22.
If you're merely arguing that the men who collected all known scripture at the time and stapled them together were Catholic, I guess maybe? The apocrypha being included and Philemon coming after Colossians was a strange choice, the most prolific bible readers I know don't do it according to the layout either.

>Colossians 2:8
>Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
60 page Calvinist essays citing Aristotle, Plato, etc with 4 bible verses, one of them in contradiction to the main premise.
Things like church father writings (I've only seen a bit of John Chrysostom) or reference bibles might seem a bible better, but they're far worse. Catholics not being able to understand the bible as they're heathen and the latter possibly being written maliciously for the amount of bad doctrine they've produced (the scourby reference bible credited sometimes solely for the rise of Zionism among American Christians)
Honestly just read the bible. KJV or 21KJV but never NKJV. Start with John if you aren't sure you're saved.

As a pagan I like Calvinism.

>>24611392
>Since you can’t argue that
Not arguing, shitposting.

>>24607934
>deficient catholicism
Anabaptists did see both Catholicism and Magisterial Reformation (Luther/Calvin) as failing to restore the New Testament church. They sought a more radical break, rejecting infant baptism, state churches, and clerical authority.

>anabaptism didn’t have a civil-social historical scope
sorta. They rejected Christendom’s merger of church and state, advocating separation. However, some early radicals (e.g., Münsterites) did attempt a theocratic takeover, which mainstream Anabaptists (Mennonites, Hutterites) later repudiated.

On the contrary, the Catholic church itself is drunk on the blood of saints. Lutheran princes often exploited church resources (e.g., seizing monasteries but not redistributing wealth to the poor). Too, Lutheran princes often exploited church resources (e.g., seizing monasteries but not redistributing wealth to the poor). Anabaptists (like Menno Simons) argued that true Christianity required economic sharing (Acts 2:44-45), rejecting elite collusion.

>>24611408
what demonation closely aligns with your own belief?

>>24611487
the new cop-out gentlemen. surely the internet, the evolved arpanet belonging to scholars and scientists, is much more deserving than mindless banter on /lit/ of all boards to shitpost in, a fallen bastion from /pol/; the original containtment zone for nonsense.

>>24611515
>the new cop-out gentlemen.
Genuinely, I am neither a Catholic nor a Christian of any stripe. I can be happy that I baited a long response, and you can be happy for an attempt at evangelizing a non-believer. Win-win, buddy, relax.

>>24611523
if you have to explain the joke, its not funny. just refrain from posting next time. or better yet try /b/ or /pol/.

>>24611535
To me, explaining the joke is both part of and extension to the joke, and it’s still happening, baby. This not about need at all. See >>24605666 (auspicious digits, no?) for an early gag ITT.

>>24611568
Congrats?

>>24611069
You've not read how the left treats radical reform. Try Luther Blisset's _Q_. It starts where The name of the rose ends.


Pacifistic Anabaptism wasn't the mainstream of Anabaptism during the conflict over the church as the bride of Christ.