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Big Bad Wolf edition

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>What is Web Novel General?
A general for readers and authors involved or interested in the growing phenomenon of 'web novels', serialized English fiction posted to websites such as: Royalroad, Webnovel, Scribblehub, Wattpad, Archive of Our Own, Spacebattles, HFY, various personal author websites, and more

>Why read web novels?
Not for prose or tight editing or deep themes, frankly. As a whole, web novels are infamous for content sprawl and pacing issues. If you enjoy having millions of words to sink your teeth into to get to know the world and characters, though, you may be interested. Keeping up with other readers on a weekly basis to discuss the story's events unfolding is another perk, in the same way discussing an ongoing TV show might be.

>Why write web novels?
Ease of access & potential for Patreon earnings. Many successful authors gain an audience on their website of choice and funnel their readers into a Patreon. See graphtreon.com/top-patreon-creators/writing for an idea of what some are earning.
Also, once an author has earned a fanbase, transitioning into an Amazon self-publishing career is several orders of magnitude easier than starting 'dry'.

> Advice for Noobs!

##READ THE FOLLOWING BEFORE ASKING FOR HELP##

Running your story like the business it is:
www.royalroad.com/forums/thread/116847

On writing webserials:
alexanderwales.com/how-to-write-a-web-serial/

Sanderson's Writing lectures 2025:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEUh_y1IFZY&list=PLSH_xM-KC3ZvzkfVo_Dls0B5GiE2oMcLY

Recommended web novels
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Anon's guide to success
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FAQ
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i am imaging myself having sex with the female character you wrote.

>>24629321
You shouldn't. It's not right.

>>24629321
You are her dad, you sicko!

>>24629321
she's underage you sick fuck

>>24628654
>Most romances in novels actually explore the relationship between the two as it develops
Without them getting together. It's just teasing the reader until the end and I hate it.
At least in harem stories this is impossible.

>>24629403
you should have written her to be older then. It is really your fault.

>>24629321
ok
enjoy, uh
probably a lot of bruises and scratched because she's perpetually understimulated due to suddenly being given a mostly normal human body instead of the borged out war machine she became used to

>>24629467
man i'm especially ESLy when I'm sleep deprived huh

>>24629311
thank you for the nice words
yea, I like drawing but I don't like to finish my work it seems

>>24629321
That's the only reason females exist in my novel and in the real world.

>>24629321
>he thinks there's been any female characters in my last 90+ chapters
Cute.

Close to 50k words have been marinating on my google docky for about two weeks now, the entire first arc of my story. I am physically incapable of editing my slop. What do?

>>24629674
>I am physically incapable of editing my slop. What do?
Get over it and do it anyway idk
or hire a professional editor if you legit have brain aids ig but ngmi if so

>>24629321
>Awkward maned wolfgirl and anemic pallas catgirl
You do you.

With this, This chapter is at 15k words.
Be ready for tomorrow, for the great return of FFF-Class ‘Unlucky Antagonist’

>>24629674
You're overthinking this. Just run spellcheck and post it. It's better to tell the story poorly than to never tell the story at all.

Now if your sentences are just trash, read How to Write a Sentence and Elements of Eloquence. Should clear things right up.

>>24629731
There are already too many poorly told stories in the world, better you keep your turd to yourself, if you plan to put no effort into it.

>>24629776
gay and crab

>>24629781
kys loser

>>24629524
Drawanon, do you take commissions? I need a cover but I don't want to use AI

>>24629776
New writers are basically GUARANTEED to produce a few shitty stories first as they figure out how writing really works. The same way an artist will make some bad drawings before they get used to it and learn the basics. One COULD just write some bad stories, never publish them, and figure it out on their own, but feedback makes the learning process go much much faster.

Real artists ship. They don't just endlessly refine something and then never release it because "it's not perfect yet."

Anyway, it's royal road. It doesn't hurt anyone to upload it, and the userbase is large enough that it's likely at least ONE person will find the story compelling despite its flaws and enjoy reading it.

Personally my own story is deeply flawed in a LOT of ways that I wouldn't have understood without feedback. And yet, it's exactly what some people want. My next story will fix those flaws and be better, and the story after that will be even more gooder. Publishing is how we get better at our craft.

"Dear Mr Genghis Khan, hereby you are granted a honourable title of Immortal Ancestor..."
"Rapemortal."
"...I am sorry, come again?"
"I wish to be called Rapemortal."
"Good to know, Mr Rapemortal..."
"What is this place? Is this a Heavenly Yurt of Tengri?", Genghis Khan cuts him short.
"No, it's a spaceship, Your Majesty Rapemortal."
"A space...what?"
"It is a great iron windhorse striding above Eternal Blue Sky.", the announcer remotely opened a front illuminator shutter showing Great Khan vast emptiness of space.
"I never heard of these things. Even great wise men from Golden Dynasty never mentioned it", Genghis Khan rubs his beard. "So there are people too?"
"Indeed, Your Majesty. Our Grand Galactic Republic has trillions of citizens."
"And there are women too?"
"Plenty of them indeed."
"So much. But how do you even rape them?"
"No, Your Majesty, we don't do that."
"You don't do what? You don't rape women?!", said Genghis slowly, visible disappointed.
"We don't, My Lord. We respect their rights and women even serve as a deck officer", the announcer pointed at a sole woman in uniform, doing something at a computer stand. She had dyed her hair blue and had a nosering.
"This hideous creature from Western bogs is a female and you respect these females?", a Great Mighty Khan, once the terror of Eurasia, was frightened.
"Yes, we..." the announcer was cut short by the guest again, only this time it was a sharp saber. Blood splattered on a shiny metal deck. The officers tried to run away.
Genghis Khan slapped the female officer knocking her down and tore open her pants. He violently turned her around to a doggystyle position, the rape position recommended by ancestors, he thrusted his heavenly rod into her stinky hole with dyed bush and started swinging fast.
Great Khan was not in a good shape just after long sleep and unexpected reincarnation. After only a few hours of hammering, he flooded her mangled hole with his holy white elixir. He wiped his meatsaber with her hair. His first rape in this incarnation was mediocre though. The woman was pregnant and the baby inside had been hindering his deep thrusts. But still, it was a refreshment. Her cumfarts and her slutmoans sound like a song to Great Khan.
"I shall rape the unkillable and kill the unrapeable. Stars belong to me and I shall rape them too! I am a Rapemortal Khan of Starrape Empire!", his voice echoed through empty hall proclaiming the beginning of what space historians will call the Age of Rape.

>>24629866
>I shall rape the unkillable and kill the unrapeable.

>>24629866
I KNEEL

>>24629866
Most compelling opening I've read in a long time. Well done!

>>24629806
I do appreciate the interest, but I don't think my art is suitable for covers. I suck at painting and always struggle to make good thumbnails and compositions, and those are what makes a solid cover.
maybe look on vgen though I have no experience with it. good luck

>>24629948
Can you draw a 100-followers special of one of my characters?

My first book is coming to an end. I want to touch up earlier chapters, make sure the prose is banging, make sure the worldbuilding and setup all works, maybe add some more dialogue and scene-setting, but all relatively small stuff.
Do I
1. Just edit the chapters, simple as?
2. Rerelease the book, replacing the chapters day by day and deleting the old ones in the process? This (I believe) would flag to my readers as a new chapter, but then they’d click on the chapter and it would just be Chapter 1.1
3. Save it for the Amazon release
Keep in mind: I have written 25 chapters over 10 months, so long time readers probably don't even recall whaybhad happened early on

>>24629959
There are plenty of art threads across plenty of boards where you can ask someone to draw your OC. May I suggest /tg/’s drawthread?

>>24630028
I'll be straight honest, don't engage with FFF and don't associate yourself with him. And also shame on art beggers.
>>24630027
If you plan to re-release on Amazon, I would say to just edit that and advertise it on RR, saying stuff like:
>New scenes
>Revised writing
And so on. That way, your commercial book is the definitive version of the story.

>>24630037
>art beggers
I was going to pain a lot of money.

>>24630053
fff, I've commissioned like thirty or forty pieces of art, much from people on 4chan. What is your budget? And what do you need?

Why is it so hard to find a single progression webnovel that is >99% from the MC's PoV going on a solo adventure, uncovering secrets and occasionally getting caught up in politics/other conflicts along the way?
I guess that's why I like cultivation novels

>>24630059
I need a Elf-GF portrait to post on RR. Something not too-much-anime but cute enough to increse my views.

My budget: 100-200 dollars. But I'm willing to bid more if the artists is willing to make a bundle with Astary and Katrina, too.

>>24630082
Read my story, FFF-Class 'Unlucky Antagonist.' It is what you want, but on a western setting.

>>24630082
That's ARCHETYPE (Slowburn Superhero Progression)

Source: trust me bro

>>24630082
What is the problem? You describe like 99% of progression fantasy

>>24629858
tl;dr

>>24630082
is your problem with party-based/found family stuff or too many POVs?
be more specific

>>24630110
Write more to become better, people online may like your amateurism.

>>24630122
Both. I also don't like murderhobos, harems or isekai (litrpg can work)

>>24630082
people get bored writing the same pov for 200 chapters I guess
I agree with you. strap me in for an adventure and lets fucking set forth, stop getting bogged down with tertiary bs

>>24630082
have a go churning out that many chapters day to day and se how long it takes you to get burnt out on mc pov only

>>24630265
You're too pure for this world anon, bless your heart. Also great work!

>>24630265
I fucking love you!!! Anon, HUG HUG HUG!!!

oh good lord, i had put a pause on leisure reading for a little bit cause i had some stuff going on, but ive got a break right now and decided i want to read some comfy slop like "fated to be loved by villains", "love letter from the future", or "The main heroines are trying to kill me", and i come back to a novel holocaust caused by corporate gooks.
Its actually insane how much the koreans hate not being able to upcharge foreigners.
Im used to translated titles being licensed but they are usually reasonable. The japs are slow but eventually release official translations, the chinks are okay with the translations cause it spreads china nationalistic pride and ccp propaganda.
But this Novelpia nuke is disgusting, genesis had high quality translations and had an ongoing deal with corpo, but then corpo backed out, forced genesis to nuke years of work, corpo then released novels with shitty mtl and is asking the users to make corrections for free.

>cute pic to post for my 100 followers special.
>Stuck at 99 forever.

PAIN

>>24630299
Im blind to the korea webslop sphere
grant me your knowledge

>>24630265
Anon, would you like to put your signature on your art?
If yes, for the 200 special, I might find and commission you, since your art perfectly balances anime and realism.

>>24630027
Seconding to save it for Amazon.

>>24630307
What are you looking for big dawg? Ive read my fair share of slop but ive only completed a few since most of the good ones are ongoing, locked behind a paywall, or dragged on a bit too long and lost my interest.

>>24630326
anything
I've read jappa sloppa and chink scrolls but I've never touched korean pulp
what's THE story for koreaboos? how's their stuff differ from other webnovels?

>>24629674
Pay for grammarly or tell Gemini to do an edit purely for grammar and spelling.
Then add 50k more.

>one anon remakes his cover
>another (?) anon draws character art for him
how does FFF-anon do it? why do the masses rally around him?

>>24630367
law of large numbers
beg for attention all hours of the day and you're bound to get the odd positive reaction here and there

>>24630367
people spent a thread reformatting my cover, I feel bad that I didn't use any of them but I did save them all with the intention to make something along those lines myself.
another person edited by blurb.
people are helpful here sometimes

>>24630380
We are a warm family.

>>24630380
use my doomguy cover

>>24630265
Wowy

do sloppers even want editors? i’m not set on it, but I’d maybe collaborate

>>24630342
oh man it varies, sometimes it seems obvious that its gookmade but sometimes outside of the intro its impossible to tell that it was even written in an asian country. But that aint special to korean novels, i remember reading "Little tyrant doesnt want a bad end" didnt even realize it was chinamade until i looked at the novelupdates page.
The meta was tower/hunter slop but now the general audience has seen solo leveling i think its been on a steady decline. Villainess stuff is just shoujo which is alright. Some authors have done cultivation slop better than the chinks which was a surprise tv me
Give me a lil bit to curate a list

>>24630315
glad you like it dude. the design definitely caught my eye, and she's fun to draw
my username on royalroad is conmal. i'll pm you there if you want

cheers

>>24630367
He spams so much that he's basically litwang's face. I have to say that at least he has the right spirit.
>>24630380
You're based though.

>>24630408
>Some authors have done cultivation slop better than the chinks which was a surprise tv me
Chinese & Indian ideas are often too sprawling to really land. Japs and gooks tend to be good at paring them down.

>>24630422
You are a hero, be proud of it.
Would it be okay if I posted your image in a RR ad or on Twitter? I know your cutie will bait many readers.

>>24630435
sure, go ahead

>>24630213
perchance I shall

>>24630437
Gonna wait the 100 followers, aka never.

>>24630407
from what i've seen, no. which is kind of sad
the answer is yes for me but i'm getting a professional. desu i would have extreme reservations about some random dude editing my work

>>24630408
I like the tower and hunter stories, but they always feel lacking. The premise is cool, but they never do anything interesting with it. Many of the tower climbers are really regression stories and quickly lose the plot.

Fuck. I had an idea for a story. I've written like 10k words of notes for it, but I just got a better idea for a stronger start, but it won't fit the other story. Which one do I throw away? The first idea seems to have a pretty weak start and that worries me.

>>24630483
>The first idea seems to have a pretty weak start and that worries me.
if you're new to the scene having a strong start massively increases your odds of success

>>24630474
>random dude
my thought is that we'd be equally-random-dude-footed, in a space with almost 0 editing. anyone considering a paid editor is well beyond that.

>>24630499
even if i was a beginner i'd have reservations about it. quite literally the blind leading the blind lol.
i've always been dubious of writing circles and shit. i was able to improve massively just by analyzing my own work over the years. i'm sure there's a limit to that but if so it's well above 'general competency'

>>24630407
I feel I'm way too much of a newbie to know when I need to stand my ground on choices my editor disagrees with

writing circles become useful when you're actually writing at a semi-pro level or higher, and everyone involved isn't a clueless idiot. below that they make no fucking sense besides as a social event/encouragement or whatever the fuck

>>24630506
>quite literally the blind leading the blind lol.
That's this thread already kek (unless CrypticEmphasis is really posting itt).

>>24630506
>i've always been dubious of writing circles
they're helpful but only after you've developed your own tastes and understanding
I'm sure you've seen why here and on /wg/. people love to share opinionated babble as though it's absolute truth, which can fuck over a beginner. especially since most of it comes from other beginners
>blind leading the blind
spot on. once you can instantly discern retarded takes, workshopping can help, but in a way once you can make use of it you don't need it
if you don't care about plateauing skill wise then it's not important at all. a mid writer can write fun stories
>>24630517
maybe there's some upper echelon of elite literary society where this isn't the case, but every workshop/critique circle/feedback community I've ever been a part of has been 90% clueless idiots

>>24630533
>maybe there's some upper echelon of elite literary society where this isn't the case,
there are some writing circles where already-successful authors join up with people from their own genre and can have genuinely insightful discussions because of their alignment in content & mutually high skill levels. if you can't find something like that, don't bother

>>24630513
It's pretty easy to know when to stand your ground.
>Why did you write it like this?
>I dunno. Lol.
>change it.

>Why did you write it like this?
>This is actually a common motif in older literature, and I wanted to pay homage to my favorite story. If you look at my inspiration side by side, the parallels between them are clear. I could edit it down a little bit but it's important to keep this page the way it is because...
>keep it.

If you put thought into it. If there's purpose in it. Keep it. If it's word vomit you typed for the sake of word count, put it on the chopping block.

>>24630547
i see so many shit writers explain their ""reasoning"" behind their horrendous narrative choices. FFF anon does it all the time. being able to answer 'why' you did something changes nothing tbqh

>>24630540
I've poached people from various places into one group
I think it's possible to make a good group but hoping to stumble on one waiting for you is a pipe dream

How realistic is it to have your work on your own website, instead of on a website with users and accounts? I've just posted mine on a domain I own, and I think it looks better there; but also been thinking of making a RoyalRoad and linking the two.

>>24630556
I miss when I had networking skills.

>>24630566
the issue is visibility/discoverability

>>24630566
I host mine on my neocities page, and crosspost it to RR/etc.

How should I reply to this guy to make him understand that I overused Jacques's POV to fasten the patch, and after chapter 3, he won't do it again?

>>24630582
you are really good at farming engagement did you know that?
did you have a class clown personality type growing up or is this something you learned to do as an adult?

>>24630582
>My bro out there got real readers
Unironically one of the most successful authors itt.

>>24630582
i want readers like yours

>>24630593
Nta, but it's really the greatest feeling. Same with organic reviews. Nothing beats knowing that what you put out into the world has successfully made people think and feel.

Any idea how to get someone to Beta-read your stuff?

>>24630603
Bros help! My new reader claims my images ain't working.
Can somone check them?

>>24630634
lots of web hosting domains are blocked in certain countries or even states. it's probably that

>>24630646
OVER.
I'm going to find a North Korean site to host them.

>>24630367
Truly the Gardner of the times. It probably helps he has a story actually written out and has the momentum for it with all the chapters he's written over the years(he posted the pdf on /wg/ at some point this year or the last, after querying failed). There's probably more of us who are at varying stages of a backlog, myself included, and there's a risk of coming off as too spammy or getting flatout drown out/ignored for new chapter wips. It just comes down to the others who are equally deep in the serialization that aren't as vocal, or so I think.

Draft for my latest chapter done. Any good?

https://pastebin.com/NnPxuKYe

>>24630633
not exactly what you're asking, and i could be wrong-- but i've heard that it should be someone you know/trust, and/or maybe only feed them 1 chapter to start. the reason im chiming in anyway is just as a warning (before i go eat burritos)

>>24630654
>cumd
ill read after dinner. do you want real feedback? line edits, high level stuff...?

>>24630662
Go ahead. Anything's good.

/wng/ is blooming

>180k views with this cover art
I guess cover art is less important than it's made out to be.

>>24630654
Nice pic selection, I want to breed Matyr.

Is this chapter 3? I've read chapter 2 this morning.

>They bickered for the rest of the afternoon.
I can't express why, but this sentence took me out of the flow.

>ten thousand kilometre drop
I thought it was distance, not height when I read chapter 2; that's taller than the Everest's peak. If Melody is a normal human, she's dead.
Is it some type of megastructure?

We got more info about Zucchini, being a giant and all, but I'm not feeling like the environment is being well described. Are we going up a hill/mountain with abandoned man-made structures? Some gravity changes going on at Caleb's Pass?

Can't comment grammar as I'm bad at it, but it seemed fine, I guess? I do think some sentences could be simplified. For example:
>Yes, the Dumpus came from the Inlin and destroyed our town, who you see here are the only ones who survived.
Could be:
>Yes, the Dumpus came from the Inlin and destroyed our town. The ones you see here are the only who survived.

Good luck autore!

>>24630693
Wait, did you post this on RR before here? I got bamboozled! Also, losing the opportunity to shill your stuff here.

>>24630693
Looking back at chapter two, I just noticed that I somehow missed Zucchini being a six-armed giant. Shame on me, I'm retarded.

>>24630693
>Is this chapter 3? I've read chapter 2 this morning.
Yup. This is chapter 3, have been working on it.

>Is it some type of megastructure?
You got it right, it's a megastructure that Zucchini and Melody are presently in.

>Are we going up a hill/mountain with abandoned man-made structures? Some gravity changes going on at Caleb's Pass?
I didn't do a good job describing it, but basically the intent was that Zucchini's climbing up a titanic support beam that connects to the base of the ceiling. There wouldn't be any gravity changes here, because he's not gone far, relatively speaking.
>Also, losing the opportunity to shill your stuff here.
I got a lot of shit from jannies about posting chapter 1 here before posting it on RR. So I'm playing it safe.
>somehow missed Zucchini being a six-armed giant
Don't worry it happens to all of us

>>24630299
Retired fan translator here.

lol. lmao. This is why you don't "make a deal" with the corpo. You just translate it and put it up and spit in their face. As a /g/ fag, this is also why you archive everything you like or think you might like in the future. Storage is cheap, especially for text. No reason not to scrape the entire website and compress it and throw it on an external.

>>24630722
Well, that clears things up somewhat.
>I got a lot of shit from jannies about posting chapter 1 here before posting it on RR.
Oh did they? Guess they are keeping an eye on us or it showed on their search results.

And impecable choice of picture as always. You have a good taste.

>>24630722
>I got a lot of shit from jannies about posting chapter 1 here before posting it on RR. So I'm playing it safe.
isn't this just because you posted your writing outside of a writing general

>>24630736
No, RR staff only specified that I talked about it on here and that somehow it showed up.

>>24630725
>>24630299
The irony is that the Japanese corpos are the reason Korean and Chinese fan translations took off in the first place. The JP novels kept getting nuked so people branched out. If the KR corpos keep pushing hard then KR web novels as a "genre" ends up fizzling out.

>>24630759
They don't want you to post stuff outside of RR or what?

>>24630767
it's a general thing, if it's posted anywhere else you have to prove it's you basically, like mentioning RR somewhere on the page in question like a link to your authors fic page temporarily for example. they did the same thing because of my neocities ficpage and all I had to do was re-submit it after putting a url pointing to my author's webpage on RR and it was approved.

>>24630484
Yeah, I'm thinking the same thing. Got to get the reader hooked pretty early.

>>24630759
surprised their plagiarism checker caught your bin
did you submit your piece before the bin expired or after?

>>24630654
>Melody turned to Zucchini and reached out to touch his shoulder, (1) “Do you want something to eat?” She (2) asked.
>Zucchini's reply was swift, (3) “Not yet, get something for yourself. Don't forget to keep watch.”

i know no one here cares but this is borderline comical, in your 2 opening lines you have 3 punctuation mistakes

>>24630845
>no one here cares
anons here care. but most slop readers don't

>>24629321
Go ahead; it's all they're are good for.
Here's Veil.

>>24630408
alright here is my list, all these have novelupdates entries, some of them might not have active chapter links, gonna need to look for an aggregator site to read them
>The Legendary Moonlight Sculptor
a classic in the vrmmo genre, very good start but drags on near the end
>Overgeared
another vrmmo novel where the mc's goal is to get big money and big gear. The manwha adaptation is decent
>The Tutorial Is Too Hard
people are getting sent to a dungeon/tower, everyone can select their own difficulty, mc selects giga cancer mode, story follows his journey and how he guides others who chose the same difficulty. the webtoon adaption is fine
>Kidnapped Dragons
earth keeps getting raptured cause of dragons, mc decides to get the dragons first and prevent the apocalypse. not a harem and i like that, im a sucker for family raising stories
>Everyone Else is a Returnee
God sends everyone on earth to other dimensions/worlds to give humanity a chance to get strong before monsters invade earth. except the mc has such a weak presence that he is forgotten on earth. one of the first kr novels i read, havent reread it yet, idk if it will hold up
>The Second Coming of Gluttony
idk how to describe this, basically a redemption story for a scumfuck mc which then turns into saving the world from demons.
>Childhood Friend of the Zenith
A regression and cultivation novel, really well done. the webtoon is good but i felt more emotion while reading the novel
>The Main Heroines are Trying to Kill Me
mc had to play the part of the false villain and destroy the world to unlock a system to regress and get a happy ending. His plan is to lay low and get the job done, however the heroines he interacted with and betrayed cause of the system also kept their memories and are trying to kill him, but they dont know why he did the things he did. A real tragedy, this novel is fantastic and brought me to the verge of tears while reading in bed. yes its a harem and its fucking sick
>Fated to Be Loved by Villains
Mc just wants to lay low and finish his enrollment at the academy, except he has a trait that attracts evil women. its a fun harem read
>Omniscient Reader’s Viewpoint
cmon man, everyone and their mother knows about orv now. mc gets transported in a regression novel that he religiously read, i cant say anymore. Read the novel or the webtoon, hell read both, this shit is GAS

>>24630931
>Demon prince goes to the academy
Mc gets transmigrated into an academy story he wrote as the son of the dead demon king right after the war. The story is really good but the middle to ending was kinda choppy.
>Regressor Instruction Manual
Mc wakes up in a tutorial stage with other people, its training to see if they can make it in the new world they are getting sent to. When everyone checks their stats, mc is the bottom of the barrel trash, except he has a trait that lets him see other peoples status window. His initial goal is to just surround himself with high stat potential members, but then he finds a regressor.
The mc is not a good guy, some might even call him a villain, but a nigga gotta do what a nigga gotta do to survive.
Its kinda heavy on the psycholgy but the comedic harem tones balance it out, i feel like the webtoon overdid the comedic bits though
>Omniscient First-Person’s Viewpoint
This is not the same as orv.
Mc is a conman that got dumped into the abyss which is a prison that cant see the light of day. He is at the mercy of the Vampire queen, the king of dogs, and a revolutionary. Unfortunately the world is ending in 10 years, he learns this from the revolutionary, who is actually a regressor, and he found out cause he is a mind reader. He decides to pose as a prison warden for his survival, antics ensue. Solid read, ongoing though.
>City Of Witches
sex novel but with actual plot. Mc is a math autist who gets enslaved by witches, he learns magic cause its similar to math, he has sex. Plot starts after chapter 80ish
>I am not a Regressor
simple as what the title says, mc gets greeted by a Constellation calling him a regressor, but he isnt and proceeds to fraudmax and play along with it
>The Villain Who Robbed the Heroines
another zex novel, mc is possessive with giga ocd, ntr's the "hero" of the story cause the heroine is the one thing that he isnt repulsed by. The "action scenes" make my room heat up in the winter
>A Regressor’s Tale of Cultivation
Now this is an actual gem, regression and cultivation like in the title. Mc is talentless, he and a bunch of coworkers get transmigrated into xianxia world. everyone else makes progress while he is just stuck being himself. he dies of old age, regresses back to when he arrived in the world, repeat. This guy is the definition of the Pure Indomitable Human Spirit. Made me cry in the first 50 chapters

I’m an Infinite Regressor, But I’ve Got Stories to Tell
Trash of the counts family
Lucia(fmc romance)

Thats all i got for now, atleast what i think is worth mentioning

based gook scholar

>>24630775
Ah, that's pretty sensible desu. Pretty much avoids the clusterfuck Amazon creates with people stealing novels and putting them on Kindle.

>>24630654
from what i can gather, i think i might really like the character/world design. but the chapter is rough,

consider (lightly) reorienting the reader each chapter. or now and then, anyway. i was nearly halfway through, and i couldn't really tell where they were, what they were doing, or what the stakes were.

dialogue should be doing more. and you'll want to work on building tension. really-- every scene should be working towards advancing the plot, or building character. or both.

regressor-anon is fucking triggering me. the tag sounds terrible in english-- like a degenerative condition. fucking flowers for alrgeronon isekai? i forbid that specific usage of this this word

algernon*, sorry i was FUMING

>>24629305 (OP)
where do i read webnovels now? they shut down lightnovel pub. And im not paying for webnovel, also id prefer a sight that isnt butt ugly like novelbin. i need to finish up on shadow slave.

>>24631097
royalroad
scribblehub
spacebattles
ao3...

>>24631102
thanks but no thanks, all western trannie slop. I need a website that is like a succulent chinese meal, not where a bunch of obese women post their dog/woman love stories.

>>24631097
my (online) diary

>>24631097
Ah, I used lightnovelpub for my asian sloppa as well. Ranobes.top and novelfire should have most things from it.

>>24631120
if i wanted to read a book about an incel jacking his dick all day i would just go read some japanese slop. at least that will get turned into an anime.

>>24631123
Nice, a bit on the ugly side but it has what im looking for and is easy to use, many thinks my nigga.

>>24631143
Novelfire is a one to one copy of lightnovelpub.

>>24631149
i know, which is why i discarded it instantly, lightnovelpub was ugly as sin, and I have no desire to read from its copy. And its not one to one, its slightly different, slightly worse.

Anon, what is the platform where I can upload gems like this >>24629866

>>24629866
unfathomably, indisputably and indescribably based.

Some progress from chapter wip. Lemme know what you guys may think should be addressed. I'd post the whole chapter wip bu im a little too drunk to cursory edit right now.

There was a massive quake on the bridge, like it was the Gods themselves furious at the situation. Lawrence was knocked back by an overwhelming typhoon. All were spun like locusts swarming up in the air, whipped by rushing fire, powerless as mortals may be against the tides of a furious river—the tireless fire blazes, scorching them all with hard, explosive blasts of flames claimed many. Gusts of smoke bellowed and swallowed Lawrence and the others whole. Lawrence hit the surface of something which blanketed his vision with a dark veil. Silence, then, the screams. Blood-curdling cries from helpless victims as the plight of survivors overwhelmed what little conscious Lawrence had left. He felt a tug—a terrible, harsh tug like he was being grabbed by an uncaring, ruthless biblical being. With with strength he could gather, Lawrence reached out and clung to something metal—rather or not it was the Command Station’s railing he had no idea of knowing. He knew in this instant he was getting sucked into the vacuum of space. There was nothing Lawrence could do—there was utter despair at the helplessness anyone could do. Lawrence’s eyes burned from the scorching smoke as he saw silhouettes of his comrades zip overhead. Dozens of his comrades tunneled, sucked, through like crabs in a seabed’s exposed pipeline, and claimed by the deadly abyss. Never to return home, never to see their loved ones again. The only thing that would be left of them would be empty gravestones and meaningless, wasted medals.


Then, having been suspended practically in zero gravity, clinging onto God knows what, he dropped to the floor—what strength he had dispelled by the cruel crash. He felt powerless, and indeed, there was an invisible, heavy blanket which kept him pinned to the cold, icy metal floor plating embracing his face with a deep freeze. There wasn’t a single muscle he could budge, and in this very moment Lawrence felt immense dread, realizing the real possibility he would get severely paralyzed in the debacle. Presently, he found himself numb everywhere, but slowly senses returned.
1/2, fuck you jewchan

>>24631393
Lawrence dwelled for a moment on the thought he may have lost a limb, and despaired. The alarm had been wailing nonstop, and it drowned out his ability to recollect his thoughts. He heaved himself up to avail. Again. And again. Lawrence reached a state of panic—overwhelmingly horror at the prospect of losing even one limb, and completely paralyzed; his mind scrambled to cope with this very real new reality. His new life as a military invalid, straddling the state with yet another burden. Why didn’t I die? The thought danced in his mind, frolic as a wild boar in the great plains. But if there was ever a pitiful god watching over his misery, they must’ve granted him a special offering of renewed vitality. Using any and what strength he could muster, Lawrence was barely capable in awakening his right shoulder. He pushed, in extremis, his lead-weighted body onto his back. Slowly, he was able to sweep the invsibile steel blanket off his body starting with his right arm. He raised his hands, slowly. It was pitch dark and the main systems must’ve been knocked out. He brought his hands closer to his face, then instinctively reached down to his legs. “Still in one piece,” Lawrence said. He couldn’t help but laugh, a mere chuckle under his breath.

>>24630818
Think it appeared after, but wouldn't be surprised if I fucked up and submitted it while the bin was still up.
>>24630845
Ngl, it does bother me too.
>>24631003
>i think i might really like the character/world design
Thanks, dude!
>dialogue should be doing more
Yeah, imo, dialogue is something I have to work on a bit more.

>>24630759
>RR staff are here, in this thread, reading our posts
if you see this I want you to know that I hate you all for doing your jobs

>>24631405
>—

>>24629858
>Real artists ship. They don't just endlessly refine something and then never release it because "it's not perfect yet."
We've all heard the old saws and they're true. We're all both in love and with and simultaneously hate everything we write. You finally like reading what you write but that creeping dread that its not good enough.
>
I once read that this was another place where a "real" editor shines. You get used to them stealing and spot-reading. One day they just grab it and tell you it done. The editor can judge it more dispassionately than the author can.
>
I think its hard enough to get started writing and harder yet to get to the bare minimum required. From there though, as "writers" we're expected to learn editing and line editing and anything else you call that refinement process. You face crabs and anons with silly expectations such as holding up genre fiction to some mythical prose of the ages mentality. Which is utterly ridiculous. You have to decide for yourself what's crabbing and what's legitimate criticism.
>
Its all much harder than the writing itself.

After some consideration, I'll be uploading the draft for chapter 4.

https://pastebin.com/gwMUWr2m

>>24629866
tongue in cheek camp with a sense of humor. nice. The edge being straddled reminds me of Xena or the Legendary Journeys of Hercules. Silly fun and entertaining.

>>24630373
>law of large numbers
>beg for attention all hours of the day and you're bound to get the odd positive reaction here and there
I had an image of FFF and TINA meeting up irl and the conversations that go down. The mind is a terrible thing to taste.

>>24630556
>I've poached people from various places into one group
>I think it's possible to make a good group but hoping to stumble on one waiting for you is a pipe dream
same. I pictured something cozy, but irl not so much. I found weirdness and a bunch of word count flexes and whines. Very little story or character discussions as I had imagined. A real writing group would be like a unicorn to me.

realizing that the planned end to my story is basically a cliché "main character slowly bleeds out in a calm, idyllic place"

>>24631490
why did you spoil your story for me dickhead

>>24631493
because I hate you

>dream of exciting and dramatic story with multiple original characters
>wake up
>hurry to write it down
>already forgotten, chasing after the feeling is useless
how do I get better at remembering my dreams?

>>24629866
peak, simply peak

>>24630082
I'd say mine is around 90% MC POV, but there are often times I want to show a different perspective to readers. Both because it changes things up and because I write the narration in the tone of the character we're following, which often impacts the details they focus on.

>>24631097
Novelupdates...?

>>24631536
>dream that you're fluent in French
>wake up
>you can no loger speak French
Damn. If only you had a better memory, you retard.

I think I'll give up on trying to write a likable story. I don't feel alive unless I'm doing something emotionally provocative and controversial.

>>24631888
wow, how transgressive!

>>24631888
ok there Lily White

>>24631888
and yet K-man will still get more engagement due to PVRE SOVL

>>24631888
Spiritually GenX.

You can't call yourself relevant as a creator if your work doesn't earn at least one death threat per day

You can't call yourself relevant as a creator if your work doesn't earn at least "you saved my life; I'm going to name my firstborn after you and all subsequent children after your characters" per day

>>24632051
this might as well be literally what FFF-anon already gets and it makes me sick......

>>24632051
do people actually say that on regular websites? only the freaks on ao3 have said that to me. Is my writing not good enough to save the normies, or is it that the normies simply do not need saving?

cant call yourself a creator unless your work gets sub 100 views and you post on 4chins to cope with it

Even my blandest slop nears 300 followers now and here nobodies worship some statlet and try to mock my numbers. Sad!

>>24632105
how well's that translate into patreon bucks, bucko?

>>24632105
FFF-anon gets comments about the dilemmas of parenthood and childrearing
What engagement is your work inspiring?

>>24632036
>>24632051
Really? I'd be happy to hear someone got their rocks off reading my stuff. Now, that's creative.

>>24631393
That's one meaty paragraph.

>through like crabs in a seabed’s exposed pipeline
WEBM classic. Wish I had it saved.

It's very descriptive like your last work, reads alright. Is fine. Probably won't blow up on RR but I'll read and rate once you post it.

I spent the last 10 hours in a row reading explicit harem fantasy. They weren't great, but they contained elements I typically don't see in stories and actually evoked anger in me among other things.

It was such an experience that I think I'm gonna quit the MMO I've been addicted to for the last 3 years.

>got home the other day
>couldn't muster the will to write at normal time yesterday
>started worrying that I'd lost my drive
>went to the gym, felt a bit better
>woke up this morning with doms everywhere
>managed to bang out 2k words like I used to a month ago
Feels good man. Now I can start rebuilding my backlog after the massacre of the last month of no writing.

>>24632385
that’s cool. and which mmo?

>>24632385
which MMO? I need more ongoing inspo for my VRMMORPG isekai web serial about somebody's Fresh Start as a Level Cap Arch-Sorceror

>The everlating torment.
2 hour left for the new chapter.
GET READY TO READ 15K WORDS.

>>24632700
It better be good K-man you bum, get a damn release schedule already!

>>24632721
It’s literally six normal chapters together, so it’s my usual daily release plus a day of rest.

>>24632385
I have so many questions...

>readers begging for spoilers in the comments
I don't want to ignore them and drive them away, but damn it's getting annoying. Yes I'm going to edge you all for another three months, deal with it.

>>24632812
you gotta hit them with the
>[fire emoji][praying hands emoji] you a real one
and leave it at that

>>24631490
selfinsert sloppers are gonna 0.5bomb you when that releases. stay safe, stay prepared.

The new chapter of FFF-Class 'Unlucky Antagonist' is out, more than 15k words just for you to read.
THIS CHAPTER IS A STANDALONE, so you can technically read it without any of the story’s previous chapters. Except for the final part, so stop as soon as you see the font change.

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/119783/fff-class-unlucky-antagonist-villains-origin-story/chapter/2513066/martial-critique-part-eight-stand-alone

Post here who you think the Big Bad Wolf is

>>24632857
>15k word single chapter
that's just plain too much
not even for RR, even for a regular novel

>>24632857
>>24632866
Holy Kino!
>not counting the info-pics.

gonna pick up FFF just for the standalone chapters and ignore the mainline ones

>>24632866
It's not enough desu. I prefer my chapters THICK, like this
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/36051/memories-of-the-fall/chapter/737873/chapter-1-rains-on-the-east-wind
I remember reading some comment from the author that he hit the website limit of ~50k (at the time at least) on some chapter and had to split it into two

>>24632826
Yeah I'm probably going to give it another few weeks for the action to ramp up and then do that.

TOP 3 RISING STAR AND 100 FOLLOWERS.

Hallelujah Hallelujah Hallelujah

>>24632666
>>24632668
Lost Ark. It's not really that great for inspiration for writing I think. Maybe the abilities and bosses.
>>24632739
I'm confused and surprised too.

>>24632894
The second novel in the image sounds like porn

>>24632933
>Author's undisguised bimbofication fetish

>>24632894
>subcategory
good for you but come on we all know subcategory RS means nothing, especially on a niche subgenre

>>24632954
satire especially is a funny one to brag about. it's the least competitive tag maybe on the entire site. he's not remotely close to getting onto rs main, despite being #3 on that tag

>>24632948
Honestly its on my read later list, reviews make it look not great but the art hooked me instantly.

>>24632933
fetish fiction is guaranteed soul

>>24633033
>>24632989
>>24632948
Same, but it's on RRL so it's probably boring. If this had been on SH though...

>>24632668
I just deleted mine from RR so you can better succeed.

>>24633134
No need, fren. There's plenty room at the top for my Fresh Start as a Level Cap Arch-Sorceror to coexist with your Rebirth as a Skill Ceiling Arch-Shaman

>>24633197
>your Rebirth as a Skill Ceiling Arch-Shaman
It was actually titled
>I Was Reincarnated When I Died To The Last Boss, Now I Am The Secret Post Game Boss Lich

>>24632226
thanks man, good enough input for me.

it's game over for you all when I finally start posting Resurrection as the Server's Top Ranked Arch-Warlock

>Next Try As The Over-Leveled Last Raid Boss by OccultBeat
I love the ArcaneCadence larp.

>>24633267
the original title is such a fucking generic cocktail of genre keywords that it's basically a self-perpetuating meme mine

>>24630633
Print it out and read it yourself. Read it slowly. Like you dont know who any of the characters are.

First time here lads. Just got into this sloppy webnovel stuff and was looking for some recommendations on what to read.
The only thing I've read so far was that one My Vampire System. I got hit with a late night YouTube ad and was hooked by the idea. A story that was like a video game but I didn't have to play it, it just played itself as I read along. It wasn't the best but I really enjoyed the world building and evetually got through all 25xx chapters in a couple weeks.
The thing is, I want something else that's similar but I detest having to wait to be drip fed chapters. I just want to get to the end of the story. It also bothers me that some authors can abandon their novel and I'd never be able to get to the end. As a result, I'd prefer works that are completed. Thanks for reading this far friends, I appreciate any suggestions that you may have for me.

>>24633314
I don't know My Vampire System but check out Azarinth Healer (completed WN) or Dungeon Crawler Carl (very popular right now, but not completed). The Solo Leveling LN is fully translated but in my opinion the ending is shit and drags on too long.

For the sake of this thread, I am begging each and every one of you to unfollow FFF and review bomb him.

>>24633404
it'd be funny
his astroturfing is tiresome. petty bitching is a better look on him

>>24633404
I'm happy for him.
I swear you're reaching for those grapes. you're trying to make your wine, and the wine's already soundin' like a violin with that cheese and wine...

>>24633404
I just leave him be, if we do that then we could actually get into trouble with RR mods. But beyond his sperging a month ago and his shilling posts he's mostly harmless.
The local lolcow.

reminder to do all your reading on an alternate account so that you can review bomb without risking your story

>>24633467
You can rate a story anonymously.

>>24633471
a rating isn't as harmful as a legit looking hate review

Glad to see this getting updates again. Was worried it got dropped.

>>24633467
Exactly. Last thing I want is my glowing review of INT Is My Dump Stat to be tied to my serious LitRPG fiction.

>>24633382
Awesome! I will check out the Carl one. Not much of a fan of female main characters so will probably skip the other one.

>>24633514
>LitRPG
>serious

>>24633467
hmm. nyoo.

Aside from the epilogue, the last chapter of Born Under a Black Sun will be dropping tonight.

Stay tuned for Raised Under Dark Waves.

>sleep all day with no motivation to do anything
>force myself to sit down and write only to stare at the screen doing nothing
it is over, the meds aren't working anymore

>>24633516
>>24633382
Bro! This Carl book is pretty great I'm 5 chapters in already. Thanks again laddo.

>>24633627
him? he's me

>>24633516
>>24633676
Glad you're enjoying it, friend. Azarinth Healer is also good, but if you don't like female main characters, that's that. She's like Goku levels of battle maniac, though, so I think you would have liked it. DCC is good, avoid spoilers!

Chapter 4 for Labours of Zucchini is out!!! I shoved it through Grammarly before uploading it, lol.

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/128319/labours-of-zucchini-progression-fantasy-sci-fi/chapter/2513961/chapter-4-sashimi-anyone

>>24633858

kys

jerdarious.org/ahalfbreed

>>24633858
>spoiler
Instantly better than half of authors on RR.

>>24633869
Yeah, haha, I was kinda disappointed with the grammar, but I don't have time to do it normally. I've also done the same for every other chapter.
>>24633865
Rude :(

wish I had a good slice of life series that worked as an antidepressant right now
it's over

>>24633999
Write one.

>>24633546
Took me more time than I thought. This is my largest chapter, clocking in at 6.2k words. 95,975 words total, so if the epilogue is roughly 4k I’ll be right around a hundred thousand words! Funny how things work out

Double kino

>>24634086
Chainscale your MC.

>>24634135
I wouldn't exactly call 1 follower per 1500 words 'kino'.

>>24634212
cool mathematics bro but i prefer astronomy because i am a RISING STAR!!!

>>24633858
Premium grammarly?

Finally I've reached 200.
They can't be all bots...I guess...

>>24634287
Nope, just regular grammarly out of the box.

>>24634293
Congrats, dude! Proud of you.

>>24634294
>Nope, just regular grammarly out of the box.
In that case I wish I could write as well as you. How long have you been writing?

>>24634294
By the way, you have a typo in chapter 1:
> The Cattivo's mouth opened, taunt lips pulled back to expose a gummed mouth
taut lips

>>24634311
For a couple of years now, but, I only started seriously writing about a year ago though.

>>24634320
Fuck, lmao. Thanks, man, edited that right now.

got a 3rd date this weekend and Im bringing her to a hotel after we go see a movie things are looking pretty gud
but I also got another (2nd) date next week with a really cute and feminine girl. If I can land the second thatd be ideal

>>24634364
are you cultivating a Harem System™, senior?

>>24634371
you are courting death junior

I am a god amongst men

>>24633489
Gave this a quick read (and by quick I mean I ended up reading 12 chapters). Really good action scenes, and the dynamic between the MC duo seems interesting. Good find.

are there any litrpg webnovels that go into the caste system and strategies that would arise from the presence of RPG fundamentals in a semi-living world?

>>24634401
The easiest way to farm those achievements is to have a semi-obscure story with a small but dedicated fanbase
I breached top 400 with my first rr story, which never got beyond i think 450 or so followers

>>24634401
Top 500 was my goal and I got close twice before eating a negative rating and being tanked. I'm barely in top 1000 now.
congrats.

>>24634435
FFF-Class 'Unlucky Antagonist'

Nobility = System Users aka Gamers.
Plebians = Normies.

>>24634454
K-Man how long will be the sequel?

>>24634456
Please, elaborate. The sequel of what? Next chapter? Next volume? Next Book?

>>24634460
Book, Jacques supposed to be the setting villain no? I wonder how much of the cast will be relevant with your long term plans for the setting or if I should file away 90% of the cast as mental damage.

>>24634454
i’m thinking more of nearly everyone from noble to commoner has their own personalized system, which means you get the guy born into the “tanner” class which means he gets to spend the rest of his life optimizing the high level pee to high level leather grind

This isn't my story. 4chan captcha keeps malfunctioning for a friend. So its up to me to post it here for him. He'd appreciate critique.

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/128672/walpurgis/chapter/2514550/one-small-talk

>>24634466
Class S, Class A, Class E, Class F, the professor, Original Sin, Infinitesimal Butterfly, and the various governaments are going to be relevant for the long run.

The other characters mainly focus on their own arcs. Such as the Hunters of Seafall, who will be important in the spin-off I plan to release after the main series ends.

>>24634478
Ambitious! I like it! Still hate litrpg but your fine K-Man

>>24634482
>I hate LitRPG
At this point, you should understand that this genre's potential ain't about looking like a game but about imposing logical rules on the asspull nature of magic
.
Anyway, did you like Hunter Paradise or do you think it was too try-hard?

>>24634496
>genre's potential ain't about looking like a game but
Then don't present it like one damnit! Points skills parameters classes whatever it is present it in some other way, steal from cultivation genres or something ANYTHING! I see the appeal its instantly understandable but its just so unbelivably lame to attach thought-out worldbuilding to this game cagey shit

>>24634503
Do my the pic's shit with cultivation.
Also, I think it gives my story a modern flavor.

>>24634503
SAAR DO NOT BRING US INTO THE CHINESE FICTION PROBLEM, DO NOT!!!

Please do the needful and not cause the next 10 years of webnovels to be nothing but reflavored cultivation, saar.

>>24634513
I agree with your sentiment
rehashing the process of refining a "core" and going through the same old stages of nascent soul or sovereign emperor whatever but renamed is so boring

>>24630082
I understand the feeling. I honestly hate the family/sister/whatever trope in slop. What's wrong with a cool dude doing a cool adventure

>>24634513
I'm not a cultivation charlie I just brought it up as an example because the genre broadly uses systems. I just despise litrpg and think its the laziest trend in recent memory, literally just change the presentation and it'd be bearable but seeing skill points and HP being taken seriously in-universe is too much for my suspension of disbelief

>>24634469
Well, FFF-Class does it partially.

From Class C and to Class S, they are standard warriors. However, Class D specializes in different professions. Therefore, if you are a DDD-Class 'Divine Hand,' you should become a medic to avoid wasting your potential.

>>24634541
Just like a PC simplifies binary code, a window simplifies magic.

‘systems’ allow for very incremental progress without nuking pacing

>>24634567
But Jacques can't progress in no stats except his interest on debt.

>>24633858
is this formatting of two carriage return lines between paragraphs a thing that happens when it's uploaded to RR or do you format it like that yourself before upload

systems are fine
Systems are not

>>24634496
The genre is basically about incorporating deus ex machina to every part of the narrative. The "system" feeds solutions to all the characters' problems in the laziest, bluntest way imaginable

>>24634646
My system is fair, imposing equal rules to all, except the MC, who deserves to suffer.

>>24634541
my main question is when did we start using eastern terms like “system” to describe a stats page or level up screen or attribute distribution moment, or simply a level up?

>>24634701
that isn't what system means and isn't used that way

>>24634704
you are courting death anon

>>24633872
>Rude :(
Don't take it personally: there's a spambot that will post something inflammatory with some link with the intention of making people follow the link to see why someone was being so hostile out of nowhere.

Why were you all kicked out of the writing general is it because web novels aren’t real writing or your all faggots

>>24634767
This is the real writing general twin

>>24634767
you're*

>>24634767
Don't think writers were kicked, they just got fed up with the endless crabbing and left.
I didn't even know that it was a /wg/ split when I started posting—I came from /sffg/. Would like more fellow readers itt, but I'm also an (aspiring) author myself.

>>24634767
there was a big demand in wg for wng stuff

>>24634788
There’s no crabbing there you just suck.

>>24634795
And you suck at reading. I never posted in /wg/, retard.

>>24634801
Youre mom is a whore.

>>24634207
>loses to alcohol
>almost loses to a bird
>tricked by women
Can’t

>>24634767
Nobody in /wg/ is allowed to post more than a page of their work, and nobody in /wg/ reads or responds to each other’s posts

>>24634828
>nobody in /wg/ reads or responds to each other’s posts
this is the really funny part to me. its just endless blog posting that no one seriously responds to unless its to start a spergout

>>24634828
No they’ll read it but only until they find a typo and then they sperg about it being unreadable trash. When they can’t find a typo they tend to just quote some random line from it and if you ask why they’ll sperg about you not being able to take criticism.

>>24634767
/wng/ isn't about writing, it's about how to most effectively trick people into giving you attention and money by posing as a "writer". Everyone is endlessly, venomously envious of the success of others and only accepts you ironically if you do worse than they do. Of course such kikes were kicked out of /wg/, as they would be from any civilized company

>>24634900
Wng is a sect? This wisdom shall further my advancement senior brother!

>wrote another 2k words today
I'm focusing on making my protag more active and keeping the plot moving, but I didn't want to sacrifice too much description. Overall I think I'm striking a good balance but I almost feel like I need to wait a week to reread it and see how it flows all together.
I think my readers will like it.

>>24634900
/wng/ writes so much more than /wg/ it's not even comparable lol
the posers and beginners are in /wg/. you literally just have to scroll through for two minutes in each thread to easily see that

>>24635017
ummmmm haven't you heard?
quality > quantity

>>24635017
both threads write
bith threads get beginner tourists
both threads share 90% of their posters, including shitposters
threadwarring is inmensely faggy. don't get roped into it by one of our resident retards

>>24635250
>both threads share 90% of their posters, including shitposters
Dunno why we split then, took a look at /wg/ and I saw two of our posters there plus people being told to post here.
Probably a certain troll is bored that people aren't biting his bait anymore is trying to pit the two generals against eachother I think.

>>24635268
the threads do have different focuses. /wg/ is more craft oriented and is mostly about writing better. /wng/ is more results oriented and is mostly about writing more
webnovels themselves are pretty much a self contained niche with their own expectations and values. a good webnovel isn't measured by the same metrics as a good novel
I think the split has been for the best. part of why /wng/ is so much more active is that posters here also talk about their reading and discuss The State of the Industry.tm (trends and meta gaming RR for NEETbux) which aren't directly related to writing. we get about as much actual writing related discussion as /wg/ but more ontopic discussion since the general covers a broader topic

>>24634538
>still no western Steve MC webnovel

i genuinely stopped checking and using /wg/ when /wng/ came about, and was previously a /wg/ regular

>>24635383
I like /wg/ but slow generals can really be made inhospitable by the presence of one retard. and/wg/ has had a live-in dipshit for like 3 years

Dude what's with the Royalroad commenters who use the 'edit suggestions' function to edit an entire chapter and then the edits are the most amateur shit in existence blatantly degrading the quality and voice of the prose? Just why?

>>24635472
Naive desire to help? Lust for shiny rep? Editor in need of a writer?
RR commenters are a mystery to me desu.

Guys, a reader just suggested me to change:
>but still at the best of their abilities
to
>though only as much as their abilities allowed
Which is correct?

>>24635537
>at the best of their abilities
standard usage is "to the best of their abilities"
otherwise the change is stylistic and may or may not be better or worse depending on the surrounding flow and context

>>24635472
>>24635506
Commenters are nonsensical narcissists by definition, who think their opinions matter enough to attach them to what they're consuming. Unless every follower matters, they should simply be ignored. Or you can enter the mudpit of the comments section and wallow with them for fun.

I'm nearly at the point where I can ignore them myself. My next work will have a policy of not commenting on the story period. I'm tired of people begging for spoilers because they can't stand not knowing "how the system works" in every minute detail.

>>24635544
thanks, bro.

>>24635537
What change >>24635544 said, but I'd also say that they mean different things. The first implies they are trying their hardest, the latter that they are trying just enough to succeed.

>>24635547
can't you tell them
"all will be revealed" ?

hello double uy enn gee will you be nice to me. i am completely harmless.

>>24635557
I wasn't smart enough to come up with that but I will steal it if you don't mind.
Still just gonna set a policy for the next story. I don't get to email Homer and ask him how the Trojan war ends or exactly how naiads are related to gods, why should my readers get a response from me?

>>24635568
You sound suspciously harmless, guess you're trustworthy.
>>24635578
>He can't talk to ghosts
>Doesn't knows Hades' address either
>No daemon to ask for help
Bro, do you even write?

>>24635578
it's still useful information. you now have an idea of what you've setup enough for readers to proactively ask questions. now you can tactically share information and any loredumps will feel earned

>>24635588
Honestly, I'm just faking it. I hit keys, words appear on screen, I make small changes and then put them online. The output is horribly flawed. I overcharge for the book on amazon. Everyone giving me money is getting scammed.

But I persist.

>>24635593
True. One thing I've noticed is that I have a shitton of set up in the beginning, but the payoff being over a hundred chapters later is too long. I need to get better at weaving set ups with payoffs together so that I'm not just stacking up mysteries and set up for too long, even if the ending is spectacular and makes diligent readers re-evaluate the beginning.

My second story is going to hit rising stars for sure.

I'm also going to make sure there's sex appeal in the cover; fucking INT is My Dump Stat hit rising stars with only 11 mediocre chapters.

>>24635594
>Everyone giving me money is getting scammed.
Based, you gonna make it.
>>24635602
May I suggest elf tits?

>>24632933
>>24632948
i read it and was disappointed in the levels of fetishism. the mc barely even acts stupid

>>24634567
OR instead of relying on powerups and numbers going up to keep readers engaged you could use engaging plot and good writing
I guess this is why I prefer non litrpg

>>24635983
That seems a lot harder for a lot fewer readers

>>24635983
Why not both?

>>24635989
>Why not both
because number-go-up style powerups that don't meaningfully affect how the action scenes actually work out are empty and unsatisfying. and if they DO meaningfully affect the action scenes you can just use said scenes to SHOW the power increase instead of relying on numbers/levels as a clutch

>>24636000
LitRPG readers are so brainrotted that they need numbers to quantify changes in power, and defined, labeled "skills" to understand what people can do, because they've spent more waking hours on video games than actually living their life. They PREFER number go up, they demand it, they insist on bothering me about how things work rather than just waiting patiently for the cathartic reveal, because just like they read a guide to beat a video game, they want to catalog the story's setting and system before they get to the end, no surprises allowed.

I only wish more of them would subscribe to my patreon, rate five stars, and smash that follow button.

>>24636013
there's more to it than that-- whether the reader or writer fully understands it. it's a matter of expectations and the general lack of trust in the (rr's) author's abilities. the level up system signals steady progression and payoff, regardless of proper conflict/stakes/etc. like a vicious cycle

leveling up and getting stronger provides some dopamine even if done badly
real story structure only provided dopamine if done expertly because even most published genre fiction is trash. a poorly (or average) executed trad style story arc is true misery to suffer through
it's obvious why the web fiction meta shaped out like it did

>>24636100
expertly is a strong way to put it
the basics of drama in tension/release and mystery/revelation is free dopamine and isn't that difficult
I think the main issue is more that a lot webnovel writers rely on inspiration and pure enthusiasm. it works well when it works, but the expectation of a long running story with consistent releases makes it impossible to rely solely on inspiration

>>24635985
As someone who hasn't and shan't ever use litrpg or isekai. It is.

>>24636100
I wonder if aura farming with an already OP is easier or harder to pull of than leveling up. New Life As An OP Ancient Wizard is basically all aura farming, with every character saying how powerful the MC is every two chapters or so.

>>24636127
The indoctrination system has trained children to not only instinctively believe everything they read, but also to identify with it. It only makes sense they would be uninterested in growth, setbacks, and the first half of the traditional power fantasy: better than the character they identify as (and is literally them) is already strong and beloved: let side characters have struggles that they then get to sweep away with no effort and receive even more praise.

>>24636127
>which is harder
>successful versions of one is 100x more common than the other
hm. hard question

>>24636143
What you said is even more wish-fulfillment than the stories you're trying to put down. A lot of readers don't self-insert into stories or even identify themselves with the characters.

These concepts are interesting, because they are new to them and they start off strong. The typical "growth" in your published fiction is a character that was made broken to then get fixed up during the story. That growth doesn't feel entirely organic. The hero's journey cycle, in general, feels a little off: it's rarely what real life looks like.

>>24636127
>I wonder if aura farming with an already OP is easier or harder to pull of than leveling up
It's much harder, hence why Max Level Archmage shot up so fast -- despite not really doing anything unique or special with the individual elements, stories that do that trope WELL are incredibly rare and it has little competition.

>>24636161
>A lot of readers don't self-insert into stories or even identify themselves with the characters.
90% of readers do this and 90% of all people don't read at all. Maybe 95%. We are truly discussing this in an ivory tower: on a predominantly text-focused messaging board, on the internet, on the board about literature, where people actually talk about the greeks and the classics, one of only MAYBE five such places. In the entire world wide web.

>>24636152
...Now that you say that I have no idea which one is more common. Both were equally common in my mind, but that was based on my own reading preferences reading mostly japslop rather than RR's.

>>24636171
i have no clue what the japslop web fiction meta is like and I bet you don't either, you only see what gets popular enough to get translated and ported overseas which is a wildly biased sample
anyway, at least on rr, op from the start is really really rare. archmage was a true freak occurrence.

>>24636183
>meta is like and I bet you don't either, (...) you only see what gets popular enough to get translated and ported overseas which is a wildly biased sample
Never claimed I did, but you're correct. Most of what I saw was equal parts a character with a cheat skill from the start or OP with aura farming.
Most of what gets translated is famous enough for the ripples to reach the anglosphere. There's probably thousands of works which english speakers will never read because they're too niche.
>anyway, at least on rr, op from the start is really really rare. archmage was a true freak occurrence.
Thanks for the clarification, I was leaning on what >>24636162 said.

Yeah I lied. This Black Sun chapter is the TRUE second to last. The next one will be the epilogue

>>24636162
>stories that do that trope WELL are incredibly rare and it has little competition.
I feel like lots of people try to though. Why is it so hard? What did it do right that so many others can't?

>>24636251
Lots of people do the shallow powerfantasy "MC has a cheat power and btfos everyone" thing, and there IS a large audience for that. Fewer stories do the onepunchman/overlord thing of having an overpowered from the start protagonist and still telling a good story that has an engaging plot beyond the basic power fantasy level

>>24636274
>telling a good story that has an engaging plot
How the FUCK does one do this?

>>24633489
>literal knuckle dragger FeMC
revolutionary

>>24636283
you need a compelling character (flaws, needs, wants). then you endlessly fuck w/ them and force them to make difficult choices that elicit change. do this while consistently driving the plot to a climax.
something like that.
juggling all this is deceptively difficult, and why writers rely on frameworks like the hero's journey

>>24636251
>>24636274
I think it's entirely down to proactiveness. Max level archmage gave you a character that started being proactive from the very start. Typically these types of stories will give you an MC that just sits around and let's the world happen to them. It also has two likeable characters.

I also think that it's a bit too early for max level archmage. The entirety of the "first book" just feels like an introduction. It's actually crazy how basically no plot happened in the first book, yet the pacing didn't feel slow.

>>24636274
I fell off of Overlord since everyone interesting kept getting killed off. It was fine for a bit, but it really got stale.
>>24636292
Juggling those is only difficult if you keep adding bullshit as you think of it. Any outlining or planning at all (Which you should have even if you are a pantser) makes it manageable.

>>24636292
The flaws aren't what make a character compelling, despite what everyone keeps saying. The flaws are what differentiate them from other characters you've read and they can make the story that happens to them interesting. But the flaws themselves don't make the character better.

House being a drug addict didn't make his character more interesting on its own. What he did with that addiction (how he masked it or was blatant with it) made it interesting.
>>24636283
Build anticipation and then give the reader a good payoff. Chinese novels are excellent at making the story feel compelling. Every time they slap around that young master that did something bad the reader feels good. The next time they see a young master do bad shit they start anticipating the moment when MC slaps his face with a brick and streaks his girl to add to his Pokemon collection.

It's all about building up that anticipation and then capping it with a big fat payoff.

At least that's my view on what makes a story compelling. What makes for good anticipation build up depends on the reader. You're not going to attract a lot of women as readers with a harem setup, but you can snag men. You won't get many men with a typical romance setup, but you can get women.

A character can be very proactive towards anything else but the main plot or the main problem
this can off-set a "passive" protagonist, especially at the beginning

>>24636331
>>24636274
I never got into Overlord because of MC's "unfeeling nature". It was right there at the very start and I just could not get invested in the character at all.

The New Gate did it better imo. And max level archmage is just a better version of the new gate.

>>24636330
>It's actually crazy how basically no plot happened in the first book, yet the pacing didn't feel slow.
it's a brainlet's conception to think plot advancement = pacing tbqh
pacing is "am I having fun moment to moment"
"slow pacing" = holy fuck I've been bored for 10 chapters in a row wtf is this author doing
"brisk pacing" = I've been engaged throughout

readers do not give a FUCK about """"""plot advancement""""" as you've just observed

>>24636359
>"brisk pacing" = I've been engaged throughout
this takeaway is a brainlet's conclusion
despite what overly vocal retards may have you believe, you can enjoy a work that is slow paced and be engaged throughout
see every slowburn or SoL fic

>>24636347
>The flaws aren't what make a character compelling
thanks 4 chiming in w/ a strawman

>>24636392
I used quotes because I was translating what reader feedback means retard

>>24636274
i think it’s weird how there aren’t that many OPmc webnovels with well written and engaging stories, since even the least competent writers who have been tradpubbed are at least somewhat competent in writing characters.

>>24636359
I have to agree. Slow pacing complaints, at least when it comes to webnovels, often translates to "The author is wasting my time." People can tell when they are getting milked or strung along, even if they don't phrase it correctly.

>>24636428
readers (especially people who give feedback but thats whole other bitch fit) know how a piece of reading makes them feel but have no idea how to accurately express it and so reach for the first meme phrase that comes to mind

>>24636428
>>24636440
>>24636359
pacing is plot advancement... and character development. you haven't cracked some code, niggers. you can't escape pacing as we know it.

pacing owns you.

pacing is the friends we made along the way

i pace instead of writing

Behold! The Pacing-inator! With one turn of the dial, I can bring any story to its knees, where even the most insignificant elements get entire chapters all to themselves. Observe!
>Zaps Super Supportive

>>24636289
>7 feet tall
>arms drag on the floor
IMAGINE

I've come to realize that my entire writing style consists of switching between three types of scenes:
>cool environment showcase
>dialogue
>fight
>magic ritual

>>24636654
four
four types of scenes
i'm retarded

Am I being a stubborn retard by ignoring offers to review swap (all from way smaller authors). I just hate the idea on principal, but when I see people with half my followers and barely any views still getting 10x the number of ratings and reviews, it makes me think I'm jut shooting myself in the foot for no reason.
Should I just embrace the meta of farming crap reviews that just glaze me without saying anything of value?

>>24636742
what are you hoping to get out of posting on RR?

>>24636654
which of these does the raunchy sex scene fall under

>>24636855
all 4 simultaneously

>>24636855
I can actually answer this, I've written a few and it feels remarkably like writing a fight scene for me