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Anonymous No.24634194 >>24634202 >>24634219 >>24634237 >>24634306 >>24634870 >>24635416 >>24635517 >>24637021 >>24637025 >>24637905 >>24640267 >>24640509
>Vim turns you into a master typist. Emacs turns your computer into a writer’s desk.

Are either of these technologies worth learning for a pure prose writer, or should I just stick to Word/LibreOffice to write my manuscripts like a normie?
Anonymous No.24634202 >>24634214
>>24634194 (OP)

i use focuswriter. i set the background to a yellow light installation. i turn off every kind of grammar and spelling tyranny. it takes up the whole screen. once its done i export the whole thing to word and do a single editing run. "pure prose" huh
Anonymous No.24634214
>>24634202
>pure prose
I was asking /g/ first, and forgot to edit that out.
Anonymous No.24634219 >>24634228
>>24634194 (OP)
PICO/NANO
Anonymous No.24634228
>>24634219
Meds
Anonymous No.24634235 >>24634241
Use Microsoft Word. Use Google Chrome. Smoke Marlboro. Watch Marvel Movies and laugh without concern for postery or perception. Drink popular beer in the middle of the day and that day in the middle of the week, while standing in the middle of the road. Everyone is equally middling before the station of the Lord. Estimations of meaningless. I do not mean that they contain less meaning than another thing. I mean that they contain no meaning at all. Use Netflix. Use the mall bathroom. Use Durex condoms, Featherlite. Read Dan Brown and go to a Turkish Hotel Resort in July. Find transcendence in the herd.
Anonymous No.24634237
>>24634194 (OP)
I do most of my prose writing in Emacs (specifically in org-mode). It's nice but I don't know that it's nice enough to be worth learning. I learned it in order to program after falling for a succession of /g/ memes but nowadays I do most of my programming in VS Code (though I still use Emacs for magit, magit is fantastic).
What I like about this way of writing:
- It's all plain text. I do not and cannot worry about layout or fonts. I do have access to the barest formatting that belongs in a manuscript (italics, headings, etc) but even that is marked using plain text symbols so there's no magic between me and the text.
- I can put inline comments telling myself to reword this later, maybe shuffle that around, comment out a whole paragraph that I don't think works here but that I might still want to look at later, leave reminders to myself. The comments are also pure plain text marked by plain text symbols (but get highlighted in a different color and aren't included when exporting.)
- I can navigate through the document quickly. If I want to refer back to something I wrote earlier I press Ctrl+R to do a reverse search, type my query until it comes into view, read it, press Ctrl+G or Ctrl+U to jump back to where I was and carry on, without using my mouse. Mice are nice but sometimes the keyboard breaks my flow less.
org-mode is a little nicer than markdown but markdown is fine too. I bet there exists software for writing markdown that's easier to learn than Emacs on account of not being designed in the 1980s.
I don't think you're missing out on a lot by using a word processor.
You can also get a respectable fraction of the vim/Emacs keybinding efficiency in any program by being smart about using ctrl/shift/arrow keys/home/end. Especially for prose, which doesn't have as much software-legible structure as code.
Anonymous No.24634241
>>24634235
Have the cream sauce
Anonymous No.24634247 >>24634252 >>24635358 >>24639645
heartless crypto-chuds pretend font don't matter but font really matters matters. it matters alot. on certain pockets of reality you can taste the fonts. each one has a different flavour and smell and colour. times new roman is orange and savoury and sandlewood. the font will inform the text. you need to make the font complicit and harmonic. the table also matters very much. the table you write on. and the room, but everyone knows that already. all these little things matters. the words are empty vessels; two men can write the same sentence and different meanings will be contained within. you need to know how to write the same words better than other people. imbue them with power. fonts are very important. you must find your font β€” or it will find you !
Anonymous No.24634252 >>24634260
>>24634247
Courier Prime 16pt is my font, but I'm limited to bitmap fonts on the tty so I'm using Terminus
Anonymous No.24634260 >>24634273
>>24634252
>courier prime
Anonymous No.24634273 >>24634280
>>24634260
It's very legible, and it looks like an old typewriter.
Anonymous No.24634280 >>24634283
>>24634273
It looks like I'm receiving my court summons for tax evasion. Profoundly bureaucratic glyphs. The font of a sophist β€” and sophism is the Demon of Optimisations' weapon, who is our ages great villain. We must not summon him.
Anonymous No.24634283
>>24634280
I think it was designed for screenplays, so you're probably on point with the demon stuff.
Anonymous No.24634306 >>24634314
>>24634194 (OP)
ghostwriter used to be so good for this kind of thing.
But it's now a mess. As always I blame KDE.
Anonymous No.24634314
>>24634306
i can't use a GUI or I'll just watch youtube videos all day. I boot into a debian installation without a gui and write in the tty. I have some simple CLI tools like wordnet and wikipedia2text, but that's it. I have to actually reboot my machine into my normal system to access a graphic interface, so I won't get distracted by youtube or big booty latinas on xhamster.
Anonymous No.24634870 >>24634986
>>24634194 (OP)
who is r.crumb?
Anonymous No.24634986 >>24635270
>>24634870
Stinky degenerate hippy who pretends he isn't a hippie because he listens to jazz instead of Jefferson Airplane.
Anonymous No.24635233
As a programmer, use vim, specifically neovim. Just using vim will trigger the same areas of your brain that'd be triggered by executing a satisfying combo in a video-game.
Anonymous No.24635270 >>24636029
>>24634986
the style is similar to op
>is what I meant
Anonymous No.24635358
>>24634247
helvetica GODS ww@
Anonymous No.24635364 >>24641622 >>24641628
"Ed is the standard text editor."

Ed, the greatest WYGIWYG editor of all.

ED IS THE TRUE PATH TO NIRVANA! ED HAS BEEN THE CHOICE OF EDUCATED AND IGNORANT ALIKE FOR CENTURIES! ED WILL NOT CORRUPT YOUR PRECIOUS BODILY FLUIDS!! ED IS THE STANDARD TEXT EDITOR! ED MAKES THE SUN SHINE AND THE BIRDS SING AND THE GRASS GREEN!!

When I use an editor, I don't want eight extra KILOBYTES of worthless help screens and cursor positioning code! I just want an EDitor!! Not a β€œviitor”. Not a β€œemacsitor”. Those aren't even WORDS!!!! ED! ED! ED IS THE STANDARD!!!

TEXT EDITOR.

When IBM, in its ever-present omnipotence, needed to base their β€œedlin” on a Unix standard, did they mimic vi? No. Emacs? Surely you jest. They chose the most karmic editor of all. The standard.

Ed is for those who can remember what they are working on. If you are an idiot, you should use Emacs. If you are an Emacs, you should not be vi. If you use ED, you are on THE PATH TO REDEMPTION. THE SO-CALLED β€œVISUAL” EDITORS HAVE BEEN PLACED HERE BY ED TO TEMPT THE FAITHLESS. DO NOT GIVE IN!!! THE MIGHTY ED HAS SPOKEN!!!

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Anonymous No.24635374 >>24635409
Emacs is a timesink. If customizing your computing environment sounds like an appealing hobby to you, it's worth trying, otherwise avoid it like the plague. As for vim and modal editing in general it's highly autistic and probably not worth the hassle if you write linearly.
Anonymous No.24635409 >>24635530
>>24635374
Emacs isn't really a time sink. You don't need to spend more than an hour at best even with zero knowledge to learn Org mode and customize keybinds to your liking (or not and stick with the default and the interactive tutorial) as well as your init file for any extra configurations you might want or packages you'll want to use.
If an hour to write content that's publishable from the get-go with a simple conversion you have a package for sounds like too much to you, consider the hour you'd spend driving to buy a typewriter.
Anonymous No.24635416 >>24636034
>>24634194 (OP)
Just fucking join typeracer and stop being a typing noob. 100 wpm is more than you will ever need as a writer.
Anonymous No.24635492
Vim vs Emacs is the classic autistic pointless argument for nocoders who have no projects and no work history in the industry. Along with Linux distro arguments. Especially now. The typical leetcode jeet from the slums of Calcutta is better than the avg person engaging in these types of debates.
Anonymous No.24635517
>>24634194 (OP)
It's free software, man. Try it and if you don't like it go back to word or writer.
Anonymous No.24635530
>>24635409
I've been using emacs on and off for a while now and still have no idea what org mode is for. Hell, I still don't understand why I would want to customize a text editor. I can edit text just fine with a pre-made config.
Anonymous No.24636029 >>24636057
>>24635270
its because he drew it, dunce
Anonymous No.24636034
>>24635416
What does that have to do with anything, retard?
Anonymous No.24636049
I literally use pen and paper and have stacks of my diary desus. Why am I even in this thread?
Anonymous No.24636057 >>24636167
>>24636029
it says harvey pekar tho
Anonymous No.24636167 >>24636637
>>24636057
he wrote it, crumb drew it
Anonymous No.24636637
>>24636167
>kek
Anonymous No.24637021
>>24634194 (OP)
I recently took the novelwriter pill. You should look into it.
Anonymous No.24637025 >>24637986
>>24634194 (OP)
if your shit doesn't look like this then what you doing ?
Anonymous No.24637905
>>24634194 (OP)
If you write a lot then VIM will improve your productivity. If you are writing just a few thousand words, it's probably not worth learning.
Anonymous No.24637986
>>24637025
>shit writing
>literally written from within a colon
Anonymous No.24638630
I use either a generic text editor (like Pluma) or vi when I write fiction. I do so in Markdown format; that way, I can save versions efficiently in git, and diff them with each other. I use pandoc, and an .odt template, to convert my Markdown into e-book and paperback formats. Markdown supports the fenced_divs and bracketed_spans extensions to Markdown, which I map to paragraph styles and character styles, so I can save my screenplays in Markdown format too, and archive versions of them in git. All open-source tools, all programmable. May the Source be with you.
Anonymous No.24639450 >>24639456 >>24640456
setting this shit up is difficult. is vim really worth the learning curve?
Anonymous No.24639456 >>24639478
>>24639450
niggas really spend two hundred hours learning coding setting up their textbox toy only to write "combination of many parts, christopher weeped heartily in the midlands" before ragequitting, deleting their OS, and never writing again.
Anonymous No.24639478 >>24639619
>>24639456
for me it was christopher yodeled in the valley
Anonymous No.24639502 >>24639617
Just code your own word processor
Anonymous No.24639617
>>24639502
in elisp
Anonymous No.24639619 >>24639685
>>24639478
ok i'm hooked what did chris do next
Anonymous No.24639645
>>24634247
fake schizos are so boring
Anonymous No.24639685
>>24639619
picked hair out of his teeth and ate an altoid
Anonymous No.24640267
>>24634194 (OP)
When I was still mostly using windows I much preferred emacs because control key binds made more sense. I still do, and I think it is easier to tweak the odd thing.
Anonymous No.24640456
>>24639450
you should just open it from the command line. no need to use a GUI. that will just distract you. also take a look at neovim.

don't forget to install goyo!
Anonymous No.24640509 >>24640575
>>24634194 (OP)
VS code has extensions
It's decoration and not really any good for placebo.

Some people like vintage but at that point you should just try and dumpster dive for a long forgotten machine that is a malware security risk if you plug it into the internet.
Anonymous No.24640575
>>24640509
Thanks, retard.
Anonymous No.24640731
I'll just leave this here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRpHIa-2XCE
Anonymous No.24641622 >>24641624
>>24635364
wtf is Ed?
Anonymous No.24641624
>>24641622
the standard unix editor. very old. nobody uses anymore except like 60yo men who learned it when there were no other options, or mega-aspies who are into retro tech
Anonymous No.24641628
>>24635364
i really like that sort of 70s/80s hacker humor. i love reading the old text files from the bulletin board system days. it's corny, but there's something about it. same type of vibe as the church of the subgenius. old academics and sysadmins from back in the day.