Thread 24641079

Will this really make my writing more efficient?

>>24641079 (OP)
What kind of retard writes literature on Vim?

>>24641090
People on here have used Vim.

>>24641090
Luke Smith, probably

>>24641090
nano > vim.

>>24641079 (OP)
>more efficient?
not only mor eefficient but more beautiful and moer perfect

>>24641079 (OP)
Would probably help with poetry, unironically

>>24641079 (OP)
Vim is for programming. Its entire paradigm is centered around editing, navigating, and selecting within different paired symbols. It's "faster" than using a mouse or navigating with arrows, sure, but you really don't need it for writing.

>>24641122
Okay, that's fair.

vim is for writing code, clown

There's a big learning curve, it'll take a lot of time. Like months. It's insanely powerful for editing text, but you won't get as much utility out of it as a programmer would, just by virtue of how different editing prose and editing source code is.

goyo, limelight, and vim-pencil are very nice for creating a prose writing setup. i setup hotkeys so that s toggles the spellcheck, and w toggles "writing mode".

you can also version control your work with git, though I don't see that as very useful for non-technical writers.

anyway, i love it, but you've got to be a nerd who loves pain to consider it. my biggest incentive was being able to write directly in a tty. i have to restart my computer and boot into my normal operating system to get a graphic interface, so I don't end up watching youtube or beating off like I normally would.

>>24641177
lots of people use vim for prose writing, clown.

makes sense if you're already a *nix user, because it's a vital piece of software for editing configs and such.

>>24641193
forgot image

You'll be so efficient that you can stop writing altogether

>>24641197
Why do people use these low contrast gray background with slightly lighter gray text color schemes? They look horrible on the eyes.

>>24641256
agree, but picrel is actually using an anti-distraction plugin called limelight that dims all text except the paragraph/line you're working on

>>24641079 (OP)
Honestly, ed is probably pretty good for writing. More modern text editors have advantages when it comes to stuff like coding, but the line based model of ed is probably quite apt for writing prose or poetry. Like vim, it has robust find and replace capabilities (regular expressions). Plus, it probably keeps one focused as well.

Editing your work afterward could be a pain, but writing and editing are different processes. And, the main problem being that an edited line needs to be retyped entirely, it is worth noting that the correction of a clause oft demands the correction of the sentence, and that a sentence, that of the paragraph. Spelling shouldn't be an issue, as there are many serviceable command-line spell-checkers. Errors of punctuation would be annoying.

Not to mention ed is the standard text editor.

>>24641106
Emacs > vim

>>24641486
What are the benefits of Emacs? It seems a bit needlessly extensive for a text editor. The only real advantage to my mind is E-lisp, Lisp being the only programming language I prefer to C. But, why should someone who doesn't much care to extend his text editor use Emacs?

why don't u use visual studio code then u'll rly look smart

>>24641486
>>24641495
nano > vim > emacs.

Emacs is a nice operating system, but can it run nano?

>>24641079 (OP)
You're not special, faggot.

>>24641193
>>24641197
Roleplaying as an intellectual seems to be the only thing you have going for you. How utterly pathetic it must be to wake up every single day when the realization sets in, that you’re still you.

>>24641582
lol, you're a sad sick little person if that's the first thing that comes to mind when you hear people discussing a text editor, bro. who hurt you?

>>24641079 (OP)
It will make you insanely inefficient, then slowly more efficient over many months as you finally start to understand how the macros work.

>>24641511
nano is for quick small edits of config files for people who don't want to invest the time and effort into learning vi.. which is great because vi/vim requires reading a lot of documentation, whereas nano is retard proof...

but using nano for literally anything other than quick edits is retarded and masochistic, man. i can't imagine trying to write up any kind of documents in it.. it's just not meant for that.

>>24641586
>who hurt you?
Richard Stallman

>>24641596
How old were you?

>>24641595
Nano is pretty good for up to 10,000 words if you're hand rolling citations because LaTeX has fuck all support for the humanities. No BibLaTeX is insufficient. No the humanities extension is insufficient. No the *german* humanities extension is insufficient. If you took humanities you may as well hand roll your footnotes and bibliographic citations leaving comments to indicate the Turabian type.

>>24641586
The only sad thing here is an entire thread of wannabe authors who will never make it like yourself who can barely grasp basic grammar like the concept of capitalization. I miss when the riffraff knew its place.

>>24641588
exactly. the learning curve is steep. it only makes sense if you spend a lot of time coding, editing text, or writing. it'll take about a year to really familiarize yourself enough so that it actually makes your writing sessions more productive.

if you plan on writing regularly for years to come it's probably worth the effort, assuming you have an interest in it in the first place. if you're into fiddling with tech, it's fun. if that's not your bag it'll be a nightmare. personally, i love it.

>>24641604
lighten up, francis

>>24641602
sounds needlessly painful to me.

>>24641604
>Wow a thread full of wannabe authors
>I’m gonna engage with them
You flock with whom you belong with. See you tomorrow.

>>24641614
>sounds needlessly painful to me.
Memorising Turabian and learning to handroll it is *faster* than forcing doubly extended BibLaTeX with new database entries that correspond to no standard BibTeX system. Turabian has a strong foundational style with easily documented edge variations. BibTeX just sticks a [4] behind a sentence and dumps pretty shitty endnotes.

When handrolling is less painful that databases then your implementation has serious problems with useability.

>>24641600
>How old were you?
11, it was 1989. It was in the soc.* hierarchy.

>>24641079 (OP)
By default vim is for programming.
You need to customize it for writing.
Barebones VIM is usable but there are features which make life easier.
Consider This:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLpGahrsSGQ

>>24641197
Is that 'distraction free - writing' or 'distraction - free writing'?

>>24641079 (OP)
no it'll make you an autist

>>24641867
Shut the fuck up, retard

>>24641511
kate > nano > vim > emacs

many anons invest countless hours into scouring the upper and lower web looking for ultima 'text processor', drawing up lists, installing new OS, installing new applications to compare new text processors, thousands of hours are spent like this, in preparation, before ultimately boiling Oolong tea, sitting globulous rump upon double-wide office chair, and typing "precipitous tidings, the archmage intoned" before rage-quitting, uninstalling everything, which spans another fifty hours, and never writing again.

>>24641079 (OP)
Writing itself won't be made more efficient, but editing will be a lot easier.

I maintain business documentation using vim. There are so many nice file traversing tools with vim too, so it's easy to reference other docs without opening up a file explorer, manually shifting windows around, etc.

Git is a worthy tool to learn as well. Each change is tracked, and each commit message is a justification.

>>24641090
/g/tards unironically recommend that. I tried asking about good open source writing software on there, and I had multiple anons tell me to learn vim or nano. I ended up finding what I need via a random YouTube video.

>>24642248
*Emacs, not nano.

Maybe I'm dense but I can't see how Vim (or any other text processor) will revolutionize your editing. I've only ever used Word, and in editing I still have to do it the slow but smooth way---read it, take notes on what it could be and how it could be better, then make changes and save multiple versions. Please, somebody, explain to me like I'm your forgetful grandad how Vim is such a game changer? Thanks.

>>24641079 (OP)
Probably
If I ever decided to write a book, then I'd use Vim
Vim is nice because you never have to take your hands off the keyboard

>>24641079 (OP)
vim is only worth it when you have to jump around a lot in text and between files like in programming.

>>24642692
It would be an effortpost to do that. It's not enough to know the basics of vim but you have to know or intuit how to use it for your purposes. This may mean using specific plugins or related command line tools like ack. You will end up finding your own flow once you have entered the Zen of Vim.

>>24642692
>save multiple versions
In theory you could use git for version control, and it will save you having multiple files cluttering up your file directory.

>>24643234
love vim, love it for writing, but never understood using git to version control your writing.

>>24643259
I find it useful for the tagging function (first draft, second draft, etc) and it's nice to know that I could go back to an earlier version if I wanted, though in practice I've never done that. I'm guessing at some point in the future it might be fun to just go back and check out the first commit and replay the whole process of writing the manuscript to see how everything happened. Also it's a simple way to have and push backups.

>>24641097
We all use VIM now. Since last year.

>>24643259
>but never understood using git to version control your writing.
Imagine save files, like in videogames, but for writing.

>>24641106
>>24641486
Helix > vim > nano.

>>24643436
I know what version control is, fucker, I just fail to see the utility of it for a writer. An academic or technical writer, maybe..

everyone who suggested nano is literally retarded

also, i'm surprised that nobody mentioned wordgrinder

>>24643679
You start with PINE on VMS, you like nano.

>>24643687
i miss pine

>>24643687
nano is a fine program.

using it to write documents rather than quickly edit them is retarded. end of story.

>>24641079 (OP)
lmao you're being fucked with, anon. it's the writer equivalent to telling the new guy to fetch a left handed hammer

>>24643670
Version control shines the most when you become a published author. As an amateur you're likely writing linearly, you edit rarely if at all, and you never need to incorporate changes (some of which may be later discarded) suggested by other people.

even more than that are the soft benefits. knowing that it's absolutely trivial to discard or merge changes removes many of the hurdles to experiment, try something you're really not sure about, or even make massive changes to your entire document, because all the reasons you wouldn't (too much work to undo, too risky) don't matter if you're using version control

git and the like make all these tasks extremely simple, in addition to making backup much easier and more useful, and allowing your control + z to have effectively an infinite history

>>24643797
>(some of which may be later discarded) suggested by other people.
I see. That makes sense.

>>24643679
wordgrinder is pimp, it's a lot like the old DOS program wordstar that grrm uses, i've heard.

>>24641122
>Vim is for programming
No, it's a text editor
>you really don't need it for writing
True, you could use any text editor, but if you can use Vim, you will probably be moving around the text faster than otherwise
>>24642692
The biggest thing for me is probably tmux. Being able to easily switch with my keyboard between notes and prose, make a new window to look up something in another chapter, etc.
But nothing is a game changer if you have a decent WPM I guess

>>24643007
this is it's real value for the prose writer. the ability to edit and manipulate text extremely efficiently is nice, but never needing to touch the mouse is the big payoff. that and the ability to customize the environment and functions to an extreme degree to end up with something perfectly tailored to your tastes and requirements. it's for a certain type of person, not for everyone. it'll make you more productive and efficient, but the first month at least you'll be far, far less efficient and productive simply because the learning curve is so steep, and one typically sinks a LOT of time into tweaking the config until you're happy with it. it's very possible to end up on the productivity treadmill and waste lots and lots and lots of time on it. you have to decide for yourself whether it's worth the investment.

>>24644834
i use tmux/vim in a tty only debian install in a dual-boot setup with my normal operating system. there's no way i can end up distracted and watching youtube videos, or going down wikipedia rabbit holes, because i don't even have a graphical user interface, much less a web browser. i use dict with wordnet as a dictionary/thesaurus and use w3m to access text-only renderings of websites for when i need to research something. i am not a programmer and it took a significant amount of time to teach myself to be a competent vim user. the gain i was rewarded with was by virtue of simply having nothing on my system to distract me, not gaining efficiency in typing/editing. i literally have to restart my computer and boot into my normal OS if i want a graphical user interface. it's virtually impossible to get distracted by the internet now. i was very happy to find tmux, because now i can scroll up in the terminal, instead of having to user a pager for everything. it's nice to be able to have your wrting environment and whatever research/reference material open at the same time, too. i love my setup. i can ssh into it from anywhere, and also made a persistent live usb i keep on my keychain so i can use it anywhere. rsync backs everything up for me. i also changed the tty color scheme, changed the font to something more readable, and increased the size. it's really comfy. asciiquarium and tty-clock are scripted to run after so many minutes without a keystroke, so i have a screensaver. gemini-cli allows me to use LLMs for research. wikipedia2text allows me to pull text from wikipedia. w3m lets me browse the web via a text interface for research. vifm lets me browse my filesystem. alpine lets me check my email. cmus lets me play music while i write. pandoc lets me export my markdown directly to pdf or epub. trans lets me use google traslate. proselint is a nice linter for proofreading. diction is another linter/analyzer. i can lookup maps with mapscii if i need to research a particular geographical area. reclip gives me a nice clipboard manager in tmux. epub2txt, fbreader and mupdf let me read documents in the terminal. taskwarrior lets me organize my goals, timewarrior lets me log the amount of time i spend writing and or researching. calcurse lets me organize my calendar/schdule/contacts. and i used a bunch of ascii art programs, fortune, cowsay and figlet and stuff to create a quote of the day welcome message...

ok nevermind I've put so much shit on the tty system that I could easily be distracted. still... not having access to chrome/brave/firefox etc is a gamechanger for my adhd ass. i really love the writing environment i created and highly suggest other nerds who find this sort of thing intriguing to do the same. you can actually make the tty look pretty decent with some slight modifications. it's never going to be as polished as a terminal emulator, but the lack of distraction is amazing for weak-willed adhd brains such as myselfl.

>>24641832
Good video.

>>24644901
Based teletype autist

>>24641511
>
>Emacs is a nice operating system, but can it run nano?
Unironically yes, it can.

>>24641079 (OP)
Writing prose with vim keybinds seems asinine. In a program you have to seek and make small corrections in a certain kind of grammatical structure which lends itself better to vim. When you're writing, other than in an editing phase, you're basically doing long passes, and successions of drafts.

Thinking about it, DAW for example might extremely useful to delete a word but really you can just press (alt-rightarrow) alt-del for the same function in any other program.

Plaintext seems slightly limiting, too. Occasionally I want to italicize.

>>24645044
>Plaintext seems slightly limiting, too. Occasionally I want to italicize.

markdown

>>24641079 (OP)
not really, vim works great for monospaced fonts where lines are meaningful and you move stuff up and down and do logical changes over it, i don't think it will help much with prose or poetry, you are not really going to mass replace words in your text

>>24641183
>There's a big learning curve, it'll take a lot of time. Like months.
you can learn in a day if you put the time, give it a week to get the muscle memory

I never learned much of Vim (or Emacs), so maybe it would have revolutionized my life, but it just seems like an excessive investment of time. If you want something that has additional power over notepad but is a lot easier to learn for casuals, try VS Code. All the "coders" are using it nowadays. But I still don't really see the point for doing basic writing, except maybe you might like using it for LaTeX integration.

>>24645081
>you can learn it in a day

yeah, you can learn it in a day. every day.

there is no way any of you retards are seriously suggesting the software purpose built for navigating and editing lines of syntax is going to be better for writing books than a goddamn actual word processor. retarded /g/ users who live in clown world cannot be this prolific.

>>24645098
y u mad tho

>>24645092
most people don't see any benefit in using vim so their brain checks out after 5 minutes, which is fine, but if you are actually interested in learning is just a couple of movement commands and a couple of operations, it's not rocket science, "vimtutor" is very straightforward

you don't need most of this stuff,
- :wq
- o, O
- i
- w
- d
- c

that's most of what you need as a beginner, you don't even need "hjkl"

>>24645110
because 20 years of /g/ larpers being dumb as fuck wears thin on a guy

>>24645098
Yes, writing in vim leads to prolific productivity and efficiency.

>>24645130
there is literally no function in vim you will require as a writer that is not available with roughly the same amount of input in pretty much any other text editing software besides maybe notepad. all the special stuff vim does is for desktop ricers or people who are actually coding.

>>24645126
I wouldn't exactly call learning how to exit, save files and navigate "learning vim", but yeah.

>>24645127
Chill out dude, it's a perfectly viable option. Getting irrationally angry because you can't comprehend why someone would like something that you don't is one of the tell-tale signs of autism. You literally sound like the typical /g/ poster, lol.

>>24645137
telling someone to relearn all their input memory and learn about five pages on top of it because that's what vim is is viable but retarded. it's not autism getting upset at patterns of retardation but thank you for trying to handwave it.

>>24645136
>there is literally no function in a word processor you will require as a writer that is not achievable with pen and paper. all the special stuff word processors do is for desktop ricers

>>24645142
you retarded motherfuck did you miss the part where I said "with roughly the same amount of input?" I know it was a shit run on but fuck right on off with your intentionally dense bullshit.

>>24645137
just the basic "o" and "O" is what got me hooked after being forced to use vim a couple of times to install some Linux distributions like 20 years ago, started missing it when using a normal editor, i guess editors nowadays probably have some shortcut for "insert line above/below", but they didn't at the time

>>24645092
lol this is exactly it. it's the most intuitive text editor you can imagine
for example, this anon:

>>24645126
>- :wq
>- o, O
>- i
>- w
>- d
>- c
this is the equivalent of teaching someone Windows and going "see that start menu? well that's all you need as a beginner!"

these commands simply open, close, save, and change modes. that's not beginner, that's literally step 1, or even step 0, and it's already a nightmare

>>24645151
>these commands simply open, close, save, and change modes. that's not beginner, that's literally step 1, or even step 0, and it's already a nightmare
that's what you need to learn to have 100% of the same functionality a normie has with any other text editor, whether you go further from there is just an option

>>24645147
Take a deep breath, autismo. Literally tens of thousands of people happily use vim for composition of prose every day. Nobody's forcing you to give up Word.

>>24645151
>ITS TOO COMPLICATED FOR ME THEREFORE NOBODY SHOULD USE IT

Very compelling!

>>24645153
no you fucking don't because generic software follows generic os visual rules for things like that. hit the x or red button. file menu is file operations. ctrl s saves. just like everything else in the os! actually didn't have to learn anything new at all regarding software operation and can just go straight to software features. weird, that!

>>24645155
you fucking double retard I work in cybersec, i use all forms of software infinitely more than your dumbass. there is a very good reason i use vim for work, visual studio code or a really riced out vim for complex projects, and google docs for editing technical documentation. it's because i'm not retarded like these supposed tens of thousands of writers.

>>24645159
>hit the x or red button.
One of the reasons I use vim is that I prefer keyboard-centric control, I don't like taking my hand off the keyboard every few minutes to perform a function.

>weird, that!
You limey fucks are insufferable, lol.

>>24645159
>can just go straight to software features. weird, that!
what features exactly are those that normies use in a text editor and would miss in vim if they learned those commands i mentioned?

btw i don't recommend normies to learn vim, i don't think they will get any benefit from it, specially for normal text, i am just saying that if you DO want to learn it, you can do it in a day even if you are retarded, it's not rocket science

>>24645169
alt-f4 then. keyboard hotkeys don't just stop existing In GUIs. you haven't discovered a magic bullet, you just got got by internet memes.

>>24645168
Then your anger is even more puzzling. Your argument is that their are easier options. Ease of use is not the only metric one considers when choosing tools y'know...

>>24645168
>I work in cybersec
oh shit it's a soon-to-be unemployed pajeet seething his ass off. have some curry and relax, raj.

>>24645170
none, they're functionally identical for giant blocks of organic text. you gain no edge one way or the other in terms of efficiency besides maybe if you have some very common editing routines you can turn those into programmatic tasks with vim plugins. but you can modify most word processors to a degree too so really that's not a huge leg up either. if you already use vim in a technical profession I could see writing literature in it- but otherwise why the FUCK would you bother?

>>24645173
that isn't my argument at all! there is no reason at all in any capacity to use vim to write large paragraphs of text! period end of story holy SHIT. this is why i'm angry, 20 years of dense vim users pisses even the most tolerant man off.

>>24645183
You ready for 20 more, bud? Better ask the doc for some statins before you stroke the fuck out over other people's software choices.

>>24645180
>defaults to racial attacks
i'm one of the few surviving whites by the way and i'd rather fill my SOC with pajeets than white people because they took the same gay ass corporate bitch certs but one is aware that they're a fraud and accept lower payment.

>>24645187
lmao, sure thing, raj.

>>24645186
>still isn't getting the point
i'm not mad about software choices i'm mad about being intentionally retarded and arguing for non-existent advantages

>>24645188
the thought of getting passed over for a pajeet DID get your goat lmao that's sad man. you're mad insecure.

>>24645190
You're mad because you're a retarded autistic dude. Just settle down and leave the thread, none of this is relevant to you. I promise the text editor can't hurt you. Take a deep breath, have some marmite and watch some Blue Peter, yeah?

>>24645197
contrary to your dude bro just chill out bro affected tone people being intentionally retarded actually does have wide and far reaching affect on me.

>>24645194
I wasn't sure anon was right, but this confirms it-- there's zero chance this guy isn't a dot head.

>>24645207
that would be incorrect, seethe and butthurt are not unique to the indian peoples even though you would really like to believe other races are immune to seethe and butthurt.

FREUD: Notice, please gentlemen, how here even the most innocuous thread degenerates into a juvenile flinging-of-feces; anal retention in full effect.

>>24645207
iunno, the english are pretty reknown for being racecucks. they gave their whole island away and think it's a good thing. he's honestly making me think he's a brit with the way he defends the jeets.

>>24645215
>he thinks this thread was made with innocent intentions
20 years of /g/ users man, i'm telling you. this thread was designed for the generation of aerial shit.

>>24645219
Does it feel strange for you to pick it up and throw it instead of just leaving it on the carpet like normal?

>>24645218
american, i'll defend anyone from dumb fucking stereotypes. your attempt to narrow down my identity won't work because i have a real education and have been on the internet way longer than 99.9% of people. that means I don't follow the same social beats you're used to and your desperate attempts of classification will never hit true.

>>24645224
no because this isn't the first time i've gone out of my way to save lurkers from being misled by retards from /g/

FREUD: *Puffs Cigar*
And notice, if you will, gentlemen, the constant allusions to the area and products of the rectal cavity.

>>24645241
you were the only one in this thread who decided to start talking about shit dude, kinda like how the real freud was the only one who actually wanted to fuck his mom.

>>24645241
FREUD: Yes, gentlemen, all evidence points to one, and only one conclusion — these men were raped !

*Thunderous applause*

>>24645236
samesies

>>24645241
>>24645244
You're catching bullets meant for me, Doc. This jeets superego is working overtime.

>>24645098
>some people prefer a writing tool that goes beyond the capabilities of conventional word processors
>REEEEEEEEEEE

>>24645251
Based and gospelpilled.

>>24641832
https://medium.com/@x.line/best-vim-plugins-for-writers-ranked-ab13d8d72cce

>>24645158
oh so it's just an ego thing? you do the same thing as everyone else, but your way is complicated and unintuitive, so it's better?
weird. i suggest seeing a therapist to see where this compulsion comes from.

>>24645415
9. Signature seems cool, everything else seems mostly useless

>>24644901
> i am not a programmer and it took a significant amount of time to teach myself to be a competent vim user.
based anon

>>24641079 (OP)
Meh. I use it cause i know it. You'll need some markdown specific configs and a centering text plugin for a decent experience.

>>24645236
whenever i say vim, i mean neovim. it's the same thing innit?

i just use obsidian. is that retarded or something? i cant really fathom why anyone would obsess over what software to write in. its writing. its not very complicated

>>24646057
>is that retarded or something?
Yes, we are all using Vim now. Get with the program.

>>24646057
>is that retarded
No, the only retarded way to write is using proprietary save files.

>>24646057
you know how the classic hipster stereotype was to use a typewriter? well it's become too mainstream, so it's onto the next thing, which are extremely outdated terminal text editors
in 10 years people will be buying old Blackberries and swearing they get more writing down on them
in 20 years it'll be a very specific brand of mechanical keyboard and Windows XP
in 30 years it'll be speech-to-text, and so on and so on

>>24646198
Just because something is old doesn't mean it's outdated. Vim and Emacs are staples in the industry, and with good reason. If you can't, you can't, but this dismissive attitude is just wrong.

>>24646252
>Just because something is old doesn't mean it's outdated.
That's actually the definition of the word, and to call text editors staples of "the industry" is very funny. Which industry, anon? Not writing. Not anything creative. For good reason!
Anyway, I get you want to feel cool being a hipster. I do. I was the same way in college. You just should have more shame about it

>>24646262
Whatever you feel about being hipsterish is irrelevant and unimportant. Those editors are being used worldwide by people who swear by them for over 50 years and counting, and anything short of a total meltdown of society, they will outlast Word, Microsoft, or any Adobe turd.
>mad cuz can't into modal

>>24646262
>>Just because something is old doesn't mean it's outdated.
>That's actually the definition of the word,
lmao so why are you on /lit/ instead of /tv/? Books are old and therefore outdated, you hipster

>>24646262
vim/nnvim are continually updated software. if you wanted to use ai packages with them, you can also. they are not lagging behind anybody in features.

>>24646262
thats like saying because language is old, its outdated. its not what that word means you retard.

>>24646057
>closed source
>need to pay to sync files, can't use existing cloud storage
yes.
I use Joplin for markdown notes but I've never written actual longform stuff

lmao at this thread. imagine being angry about what someone uses to write with. this is some fox and grapes shit fr senpai

>>24645048
>markdown
ffs this trolling has gone on for far too long

>>24646944
it good

>>24641511
>can it run nano?
in at least 2 different ways, maybe more

>>24647017
using markdown negates all the advantage of using vim

>>24647225
what's your reasoning behind that?

>>24647225
How so

>>24647260
>>24647270
markdaron is best used in wygisyg editors

>>24647260
>>24647270
markdown forces you to type in space breaks to separate paragraphs. that's unnecy typing. it's also ugly

>>24647345
no, it doesn't, and each paragraph is one line in vim.

you are retarded.

>>24647357
Sounds like you have never used markdown

>>24647345
>space breaks
meaning a blank line

>>24647370
he's bitching about soft breaks? lol i don't understand.

>>24647368
explain yourself, retard

>>24647372
He's probably confused from having used something like Joplin that renders hard breaks as
.. but I have no idea what he's talking about either.

>>24647345
If you have a centering plugin
set wrap
set linebreak
set breakindent
otherwise use hardrwap with
set tw=110

>>24641079 (OP)
vikings vs emacs users

>>24642248
>I ended up finding what I need via a random YouTube video.
What'd you settle on?

>>24641197
based commitmono

Mucrosoft Office Word 2003

>>24641104
Luke doesn't write literature. He copies texts that are in the public domain into LaTeX-formatted books and sells them online.

>>24641079 (OP)
People who actually publish books wrote them in Emacs.

>>24647376
>One of the most basic and essential features of Markdown is how it handles paragraphs and line breaks.
>To separate paragraphs, you must leave a blank line between them.
Why are you guys pretending you have never used Markdown? Do I have to post a link to the official documentation?

>>24642248
>vim or nano
>no emacs
/g/ has fallen

>>24648727
not those anons.. but isn't that like uh what you do everywhere.. like word, etc.?

>>24649083
having to put a line between paragraphs is a waste of time

>>24641079 (OP)
Just use typst or a markdrown editor.

>>24641079 (OP)
use this
https://github.com/cgueret/Scriptorium

>>24648727
MarkDown has number of different implementations and syntax extensions, that problem is solvable.

>>24647673
NovelWriter.

>>24650933
Looks based. Not going to lie.

>>24651258
I'm still learning my way around it, but so far, it seems pretty solid. Would recommend.
>>24652055
Make a stealth /lit/ thread on /g/ in retaliation.

>>24641079 (OP)
https://www.themarginalian.org/index.php/2013/09/23/odd-type-writers/
>James Joyce wrote lying on his stomach in bed, with a large blue pencil, clad in a white coat, and composed most of Finnegans Wake with crayon pieces on cardboard.
>John Steinbeck, who liked to write his drafts in pencil, always kept exactly twelve perfectly sharpened pencils on his desk.
>Victor Hugo set out to write The Hunchback of Notre Dame against the seemingly impossible deadline of February 1831. He bought an entire bottle of ink in preparation and practically put himself under house arrest for months, using a most peculiar anti-escape technique
>Agatha Christie munched on apples in the bathtub while pondering murder plots
>Stein, like Vladimir Nabokov, even liked to write in a parked car, which served as a perfectly contained bubble of stillness ideal for writing

Sounds like /lit/ggers suffer from skill issue

>>24652857
>>John Steinbeck, who liked to write his drafts in pencil, always kept exactly twelve perfectly sharpened pencils on his desk.
based pencil chad. pencils are so much better than pens for handwriting

>>24652891
he had a wife assistant to type it all out for him

>>24652931
>he had a wife assistant to type it all out for him
I have revised my previous position on emacs. A slave wife typist > emacs.

>>24653059
She also came up with the titles for his novels. So she was like an early ChatGPT or something.

So how does one get this so called wife?

>>24642033
Kek. Look how long this thread has got. Anons have 0 interest in actually writing. Just getting the typewriter and the ink and the tweed jacket to look the part.

I'm just use ed to write everything. I
had to choose between joe, emacs ,
nano, vi, and ed and Nano and even
Joe pissed me off for some reason,
and emacs and vi were not worth so
effort to do it. So i used ed. I do all of
my programming in javascript or forth!
I didnt need a word processor because
I learned how to prepare HTML pages
and hook it up with JS by hand. Twenty
years I have been writing in circles. And
King Index Card rules my offline domain.
Thank God for Index Cards and junior
legal pads! I am a slave to bitchy wymym
and Big Black Tea.

>>24650933
Holy bloat

i use google docs because i'm afraid of losing my files...

>>24655189
You should have multiple ways of storing backups. Google has been known to lock people out of their accounts.

>>24652857
>Sounds like /lit/ggers suffer from skill issue
TRVTHNVKE
/lit/fags will spend hours and hours making threads, watching videos on jewtube, reading blogpost and investigating on: the best pens/pencils, the best software for writing (FOSS, paid etc) the most comfy desk, the most ergonomic chair, the best pc or typewriter (and endless debates about which you should use if you want to be a "real" writer) and will read book after book on grammar, style, writing techniques and tips and tricks. All to write on a unnamed page "The" after staring at it for two (2) hours and then hopping into 4chinz/vidya/porn for the whole day and forget all about writing in a few months (they will still go to the writings generals to act like crabs btw)

The idea of someone unironically recommend vim for someone to write a book in is actually insane. The people saying this are literally the same people who are talking about how their grandmother should use ubuntu.

>>24646057
Not retarded at all
There are many good choices, and Obsidian is one of many
>>24646532
If you put your Obsidian vault in a folder synced with Syncthing it syncs for free
>>24648189
This guy uses emacs: https://x.com/MorlockP/status/1958289889918869634#m
>>24648727
This differs between Markdown processors
OG Markdown from Daring Fireball will let you put one newline per sentence or whatever and will keep all that together as one paragraph
GitHub-flavored Markdown, among others, will have one paragraph per line, period
>>24649347
Typst is good but OP still needs to choose an editor because I keep forgetting Typst has a web app
>>24652055
Many such cases!

>>24654933
>le bloat
Day of the rope is coming for Arch-trannies.

>>24653190
Reminds me of when I was briefly in a band and this guitarist was obsessed with analog boutique pedals, his pedalboard costed more than all the other band members gear put together and then he could only play basic barre chords in the sloppiest possible way too

>>24656318
>GitHub-flavored
Doesn't that mean you would have to be writing on (to be published on) Github? How would other software know how to interpert your .md file?