Thread 24654030

World Hopping Edition

Stubbed >>24649494

>What is Web Novel General?
A general for readers and authors involved or interested in the growing phenomenon of 'web novels', serialized English fiction posted to websites such as: Royal Road, Webnovel, Scribblehub, Wattpad, Archive of Our Own, Spacebattles, HFY, various personal author websites, and more

>Why read web novels?
Not for prose or tight editing or deep themes, frankly. As a whole, web novels are infamous for content sprawl and pacing issues. If you enjoy having millions of words to sink your teeth into to get to know the world and characters, though, you may be interested. Keeping up with other readers on a weekly basis to discuss the story's events unfolding is another perk, in the same way discussing an ongoing TV show might be.

>Why write web novels?
Ease of access & potential for Patreon earnings. Many successful authors gain an audience on their website of choice and funnel their readers into a Patreon. See graphtreon.com/top-patreon-creators/writing for an idea of what some are earning.
Also, once an author has earned a fanbase, transitioning into an Amazon self-publishing career is several orders of magnitude easier than starting 'dry'.

>Advice for Noobs!

##READ THE FOLLOWING BEFORE ASKING FOR HELP##

Running your story like the business it is:
www.royalroad.com/forums/thread/116847

On writing web serials:
alexanderwales.com/how-to-write-a-web-serial/

Sanderson's Writing Lectures 2025:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEUh_y1IFZY&list=PLSH_xM-KC3ZvzkfVo_Dls0B5GiE2oMcLY

Recommended web novels
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Anon's guide to success
rentry.co/RRBasicGuide

FAQ
rentry.co/pytefpxn

Not something about all the monstergirlslop? Odd choice.

>>24654067
I'll do it next time, if I bake. I just wanted to post before the thread got stubbed and wasn't thinking deeply.

>>24653803
I'm going to one step further in this suggestion, actually. Generate the image and all that, but also look into generating a title as an image using an image generation site like ideogram.ai (which seems to be full intermittently if you don't have an account).

Use a prompt like
>Typography in a sci-fi style font, with a plain white background, which reads "The Anomaly", grey color lettering.
All the usual caveats apply wrt prompting, but this should give you a start. I personally followed that up by throwing the image into a font recognition site online, scrolled through the results until I found something I liked that I could pirate easily, and then used GIMP to edit it over my cover.

This lets you fuck around somewhat while also letting you experiment with different fonts. I've generated a few for you. Use 'em, experiment, I don't really care.

A few more tips. The best cover you've got on that page of yours is the Thief of Souls thing but the colors are kinda fucked because the yellow doesn't stand out enough. Just have the entire picture fill the cover, anything else just looks amateurish. Be subtle with coloured outlines and fills because some of yours look like they're made with 2004-era WordArt.

Last night I read up to what was published for Magpie Girl Evolution (by AmberAtlas, author of Taste of Magic) and Fish Girl Evolution (by Lunadea, author of Syl).
Magpie: 5/5, fantastic characterization, I think it's actually better than ToM, can't wait to see where this goes and I hope it gets 1000 chapters. It's really hard not to love the magpie right away.
Fish: 4.5/5, a little clunky, it's xianxia reincarnation with a bit of a weird twist and one of those sentient systems which I'm not a fan of. Characterization is weak, but we got the first evolution quickly so I think this one has good pacing if nothing else. I'll keep reading most likely.

>>24654169
respectfully, who the fuck is reading this little girl furry shit

>>24654186
Monster evo is reverse furry, and it's a popular subsubgenre with not really a lot of works in it. A cabal of writers decided to fill a market gap and they're like half of Rising Stars right now.

>>24654186
> Fish Girl Evolution (by Lunadea, author of Syl).
Say want you want but this author has 11k/month on Patreon with monsterslops about a bunny, a slime and a fish

>>24654197
>and it's a popular subsubgenre with not really a lot of works in it.
Part of the reason for this is because it's only popular on royalroad. Monster evo stories almost universally bomb on amazon (and always at least underperform relative to RR success). So experienced/pro authors tend to gravitate to different niches, or at least write one and then stop and pivot once they find out the reality of the situation

Hey sloppers. I can never keep up with these threads so I’m just going to address a few topics from past threads that caught my interest.

1. Female degradation fetishist - you know about Stuart Grosse’s work right? He combines power fantasy with stuff like noncon and even dolcet. It goes pretty hard into that shit, might be your thing.

2. MC gets trapped in shitty video game - Just so happens that Warby Picus (author of Sky Pride and Slumrat Rising) has a story like this, its title is Weaboo’s Unfortunate Isekai: The Necromancer’s Gacha.

3. Katalepsis / APGTE / DCC anon - have you tried Dungeon Lord? It’s a well written and edited story with decent dialogue and characters. I won’t guarantee you’ll like it since you seem kinda picky but this author has standards imo. First book is kind of slow but it’s one of those series that gets better with each new release. Fun fact about the author: he apparently got in a bad motorcycle accident and broke both wrists and people only found out recently (thinking he had dropped the story) before his book 5 release which imo is the best one yet.

Could be good for a spooky season read too for anyone interested as there is a bit of a horror theme.

>>24654219
>Katalepsis / APGTE / DCC anon - have you tried Dungeon Lord?
I've heard good things actually so I'll bump it up my mental TBR list

>>24654209
>11k/month on Patreon
I know a few authors make bank, but I still can't wrap my head around of people getting so much money for two works (fish doesn't count). And don't get started on MagicMeter.
>>24654186
Reincarnated as a monster stories are fun, at least until they inevitably get an human form.

>>24654219
DL also becomes less gamified later in the story btw. I think it benefits from that.

4. Eastern slopper talking about JP stories with harems as a secondary element and the lack thereof in the Western scene. I believe most of these were already recommended but The Wheel of Time, Blood & Fur, The Storm King, Ave Xia Rem Y all qualify. Possibly AnimeCon Harem?

I also wanted to point out however that there are titles in the “harem genre” proper that dedicate more time to plot as well and aren’t all just about the smut with a bit of other elements sprinkled on top. In particular I’m thinking of On Astral Tides and anything by Mike Truk, Sarah Hawke and KD Robertson. So there’s actually quite a bit out there but you have to be willing to look for it.

>>24654219
>noncon and even dolcet
You should be embarrassed about even knowing what these "words" mean.

so you're telling me my story needs progression systems, magic systems, power systems, litrpg systems, a System, stat screens, VRMMORPG elements, xianxia cultivation, isekai, reincarnation, regression, time loops, animal evolution, gender swap, harem, reverse harem, BL, yuri, love triangle, poly, found family, slimes, amnesiac overpowered anti-hero MC, dungeon, dungeon core, tower climb, crafting, sect building, kingdom building, superheroes, Buddhist precepts, Chinese people, review swaps, shoutouts, ads, writing exercises, tiktok reels, parasocial relationships, and paywalled smut DLC just to have a chance...?

>>24654238

5. Eastern slopper talking about Western works not being a “satisfying dish” presumably because too much focus on ‘slave morality’ or modern politics etc

I think there’s a danger here of getting caught in a bubble because you read a few of the popular titles and find these things and assume the whole scene is poisoned… however it’s not 2015 anymore. English novels are being written by people all over the world and it’s growing every year so the thought there isn’t a whole list of good stuff out there for someone into shit like RI, Er Gen, I Shall be Everlasting, Mirror Legacy, RotC etc is just weird to me. I mean even stuff like Primal Hunter, Defiance of the Fall and Hell Difficulty Tutorial would all qualify as power fantasies without the nonsense attached. For my money DotC is damn fun too. And for Western Cultivation there’s Ave Xia Remy Y, Sky Pride, Cultivation Nerd and Virtuous Sons which isn’t a bad little list at all. You may need to be more open minded but Memories of the Fall is cool once it gets going. I’ve heard good things about The Last Ship in Suzhou and possibly Depthless Hunger which I haven’t read yet.

The Idle System, Calculating Cultivation and Systemics Lands are three titles which kind of have that Eastern mentality of prioritizing benefits and being ruthless.

For more creative and brutal Western shit you could try Jester of Apocalypse, 1% Lifesteal, Godclads, Gilgamesh or anything by DWinchester.

There’s also one called A Gamer’s Guide to Beating the Tutorial which puts a more experimental twist on that Korean subgenre where instead of an aura farming demigod you get a neurodivergent Mc who goes nuts and turns into a cryptid boogie man tier creature that scares the shit out of everyone lol. But now I’m just rambling because I wanted to mention it since I rarely talk in these threads…

>>24654329
Yes, and make sure [It's Serialized]

>>24654372
I squandered my chance to say this lmao

>>24654344
NTA, but I feel the need to chime in

Calculating Cultivation fucking blows, lmao
It's a xianxia written by someone who:
a) hates xianxia and wants to do a "i'll show them how it would really end up"
b) has not the slightest clue of what a satisfying narrative looks like
The worldbuilding is wasted in miseryslop where MC never gets any sort of upper hand and is perpetually stuck either desperately struggling to not die or actively being exploited.

I would be willing to bet money Systemic Lands is dogshit too, same author.

>Ave Xia Rem Y
great first arc
after that point however it becomes barely cultivation, the cultivation just kinda happens in the background and MC gets passive power upgrades
at some point he just starts shitting out white snakes despite there being no particular scene or even a single paragraph to signify he advanced the white venom fist technique

>Cultivation Nerd
This one's decent but also completely unremarkable

>Jester, Lifesteal, Godclads

oh hey it's all the ones that felt like reading my own work (insert masturbatory sfx)

>>24654329
No, you also need to infiltrate half a dozen discord cabals, pay off millionaire authors for shoutouts, run an ad campaign, and probably make a deal with a few streamers too, to be safe.

>>24654381
Your horrid post formatting makes me disregard everything you say.

>>24654386
>No Patreon bot ouroboros
NGMI

>>24654391
I don't turn on the formatting part of my brain if I'm not writing for my slop

I'm gonna go HUGE with my next work and when they invite me to the big boys discord club, I will tell them "No."

>>24654271
Trust me anon… I am. Im not even into that shit really just a curious cat but on a long enough time scale I think the internet will turn us all into a bunch of fucking ghouls.

Any tips on how to make a scene feel action-packed and tense? Kind of imagine a gas leak or flood in a castle, or even a zombie outbreak, perhaps. Something inevitable is just coming like a wave of death, and all the characters slowly succumb or flee. I want it to be tense as hell, but the problem is I've never really written a scene like this before. Any advice?

>>24654408
nooOooO!!! you NEED to join our cabal and contribute to our trend-manipulating cartel activities!! you CANNOT opt out!!!

>>24654423
You could add a timer/impending doom callout, have the character's abilities fail or be ineffectual at a crucial moment, put the side characters in peril since everybody knows the MC isn't going to die, etc...

>>24654424
it's much lamer than you imagine
guy a gets success with gimmick premise
guys b and c see it and imitate him
that's literally how it goes
i've seen it happen over and over again

>>24654423
Tension comes from both prose and writing; the former is a skill you cultivate, executing with sentences that are impactful. The latter comes from the investiment of the reader on the story—why do we care that a character lives or dies? What are the stakes?

>>24654210
So I'm a Spider, so What and a few other monster evo stories have done well enough to get published as LNs in Japan.
But maybe you're right, we'll see if any of this crop of eleven cabal stories has legs.

>>24654329
You forgot "enemies to lovers" and "only one bed." But yes.

>>24654445
>The latter comes from the investiment of the reader on the story—why do we care that a character lives or dies? What are the stakes?
The last three chapters of Dyntril Academy did this really well. I thought I was having a heart attack/caffeine overdose when Avae's fight started. Probably the most tense I've ever been reading something (turned out it was the chapter, heart rate went to normal once I finished). People had been shitting on the story for taking too long but damn if it didn't work, I was really invested in the fight and I felt like the stakes were super high, and that wasn't even the climax of this arc, that was like round one of a tournament arc.
Anyway my advice to that anon would be to pick out the five most tense action scenes you can think of and study them. Try to explain how and why they work, and then try to implement that yourself.

Finally looked at rising stars to see what all the hubbub was about, and wow. It's the fact that all of them have the same exact naming convention and all appeared at the same time that makes those monster evos despicable.
>Fish Girl Evolution
>Fox Girl Evolution
>Cultivating Girl Evolution
>Magpie Girl Evolution
>Cat Girl Evolution
>Zombie Girl Evolution
>Succulent Girl Evolution
>Cow Girl Evolution
>Horse Girl Evolution
>Phoenix Girl Evolution
>Demon Girl Evolution
Like holy shit, I've never seen anything so blatant. I think this actually needs to be reported for manipulation.

>>24654459
>So I'm a Spider, so What and a few other monster evo stories have done well enough to get published as LNs in Japan.
Japan is Japan. Monster Evo doesn't sell in the western sphere. Maybe the biggest success is Salvos and didn't that one hit human form stupid fast? So more realistically it's Lunadea's slime stuff or bunny one, and that has like 2k ratings iirc? Which is pretty small time success for >10k followers on royalroad.
Meanwhile System Apocalypse fics that get like 3k followers go on to make $100,000 a book on Amazon, and they put one out every 3 months.
Amazon is the bigger market, so most experienced authors are optimizing for it, not the RoyalRoad gimmick meta.

>>24654508
>for manipulation.
For...releasing similar stories at the same time? What's the manipulation lol

>>24654508
crying and vomiting rn
this is NOT okay xisters...

the "cabals" are so much simpler and less evil than you make them out to be.
I join a discord, I talk about how my story isn't popular, been writing for X amount of time, etc etc
people take a quick look(or pretend to) and then tell me(might be lying) that the story is good and I just need help. They offer shout out swaps or direct me towards people who can offer/are looking for them.
I didn't have to take pictures of my feet or pay anyone money, I didn't have to beg, I just said I'm struggling and people approached me wanting to help.

>>24654508
read them all and report if they're similar

>>24654508
It's proof at how nepotistic rising stars is. Imagine being a non cabal writer and breaking rising stars then getting pushed off by this coordinated kind of shit.

>>24654508
there should be elf girl evolution imo

I don't get what the problem is

>>24654545
I think (hope) most of the cabal comments are joking. We're antisocial here and hate dealing with people. My only complaint with the cabals is that they make it way harder for people who don't want to play the shoutout socialization game. The actual people involved as far as I'm aware are well meaning retards

>>24654527
>"Wouldn't it be hilarious if the front page of Rising Stars was nothing but monster girls,"
I'm not a cabal conspiracy theorist, but it was in this case, just less evil than people think.

>>24654515
What's the appeal of system apocalypse anyway? I've been avoiding such stories since there's so many of them and they all sound samey. What's the original sysapoc story?

>>24654508
>cultivating girl evolution is tagged male lead
>cow girl evolution has a picture of a girl with average tits
>horse girl evolution has nothing to do with horse racing
what the FUCK

>>24654558
Tao Wong. He even copyrighted the term much to the chagrin of other authors in the scene

>>24654547
i can see how taking up 10 slots is annoying but tbqtcah if you're #42 and get bumped off I would just say don't suck and write a better story next time. they didn't break any rules and I don't see anything wrong with a group of authors releasing similarly themed stories as an in-joke/competition between each other

>>24654558
>What's the appeal of system apocalypse anyway?
They're usually the purest form of edge-lord male mc goes on to grindfest into the world's best
it's a familiar set dressing that people just like idk. i don't read them so i can't give better insight.

Tao Wong probably is the progenitor, but the real "big ones" are DOTF and PH

>>24654546
I'm reading them all and they're surprisingly all different. The only real similarities are 'girl' 'evolution' and the time of release. Magpie is more traditional western litrpg, Fish is a blend of xianxia cultivation and sentient system.

>>24654547
It's just algorithm manipulation, and not even that big of a deal. 11 big authors told their audiences to join in on this, so they all went from 0 to 300 followers overnight. Boom, everyone's on RS for a week.

>>24654549
Write it then.

>>24654555
They have a discord specifically for this push and these eleven stories. One of the later Magpie Girl chapters linked it. It's just for fun.

Alright. I get it now. I have my pact ink, blood sacrifice, and sigils ready. I'm ready to make this infernal pact. Many greats throughout history have made similar Faustian bargains and deals with devils.


I will join the cabal.

>>24654563
lmao ice cold. Tao Wong huh? I'll give it a look.

>>24654571
Remember to report from the enemy lines for us anti-socials.

>>24654573
if you're doing market research don't read tao wong, he's one of the earliest if not the earliest, but he's not who you should study for the meta. that'd be like wanting to write a slop isekai and reading Alice in Wonderland (okay, not that dramatic obv, but still)

>>24654556
Manipulating the market for the lulz is still manipulating the market. It's the fact that they all knew they would hit RS that rubs me the wrong way, because they all did. Imagine putting in months of work preparing for a launch, only to get fucked by a gaggle of chucklefucks who arbitrarily decide to do this.

>>24654583
So what is the ur-systemapocalypse-story, then? I've been tricked multiple times into reading cultivation novels so I'd like to at least go into this subgenre consciously.

>>24654580
the only cabal randoms are getting into is Immersive Ink and that one is public lol. so you can go infiltrate it yourself as a lurker

>>24654434
I would like to have a ticking clock, but I'm just not sure how to work that into the prose. As for character deaths, I'm planning on basically killing everyone but for two characters (it's at the end, and I'm not making a sequel) so that should work.

>>24654480
>Dyntril Academy
I looked all over for this, but I can't seem to find it. Am I new or retarded or both? All the tense sequences I can think of are from television; however, I'm not sure if I could use them. It's about the prose I'm most concerned.

>>24654583
if you want to understand how to do slop sysapoc you read solo leveling and its biggest imitators

>>24654587
at a certain point of author popularity you are guaranteed to hit RS just on the basis of your existing fanbase

>>24654564
Look, I don't care if they gave you a blowjob and are really nice to you on discord. I dislike these faggots and their circular game of shouting each other out. It makes it more difficult for authors who don't want to play the networking game and would rather write. It reienforces that quality doesn't rise to the top but those who help each other.

I have seen so many dog shit esl stories hit rising stars that don't belong there. I have read many great stories with barely any followers that never did. There is an issue with discoverability and the algorithm in general and this doesn't help. It is also annoying from a reader perspective, which is honestly more important.

>>24654588
if you're doing market research just go read the ones with the most ratings on Amazon
>Primal Hunter (13k)
>Defiance of the fall (11k)
>System Change (10k)
compared to Tao Wong's 4k, for reference

>>24654595
>if you want to understand how to do slop sysapoc you read solo leveling and its biggest imitators
bad advice, read actual english litrpg BOOKS being sold, like what you want to write. Why would you read solo leveling, which got famous off its comic and anime? cmon man...

>>24654589
Honestly, I'll think about it. Hope no one notices.
>>24654587
I get a little dishearted by the fact that someone can throw their weight around and obscure someone's hard work, but that's just life desu.
I just don't want to see people schizoing that author's are manipulating the front page for money or whatever, we already have a bad reputation just for existing.

>>24654602
Alternatively, go read new ones blowing up now to understand the market in its current state

Just spent the past weekend binging Defiance of The Fall. It's definitely the best of the sysapoc books. That being said, by the end of my binge I was getting bored. The story can be summed up as:

>I want to get stronger
>woah there is so much dense energy here I am going to die owww owwww it burns
>oh I will just use my busted bloodline to drink the energy
>wow I am stronger and can now swing my sword harder
This is 90% of the story. That being said I'm a sucker for the multiverse stuff and all the events, challenges, trials and lore. It's good honest sloppa.

>>24654615
DOTF is the only one I read a few books of. Have you tried PH? Why is that one more popular (by a decent margin, too)?

>>24654592
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/117219/the-exchange-teacher-welcome-to-dyntril-academy
Heads up it's a real slow burn, and the author does multiple POVs for the same events so it can get a little repetitive, but I think it's good. Holy shit is it miserable though, just a really shitty setting the author has created. It looks like it's going to lead to mad catharsis at the end but be warned he might fuck it up still.

>>24654602
Oh, that's a good idea. For some reason amazon never comes to mind as a place to check what's popular (I hate amazon, but for different reasons than everyone else because I'm a special snowflake).
I'll check out Wong anyway since I already grabbed the first book, and I'll read Primal Hunter. Thanks.

>>24654595
>>24654606
I already read Solo Leveling (what a shitty ending, holy crap). Does it really count as Sysapoc, though?

>>24654607
It's impossible to avoid. Imagine if GRRM stealth-dropped the next ASOIAF volume? Readership everywhere else would drop minimum 50% for weeks. And then all fantasy discussion for the next YEAR would be that book.

>>24654630
>It's impossible to avoid. Imagine if GRRM stealth-dropped the next ASOIAF volume? Readership everywhere else would drop minimum 50% for weeks. And then all fantasy discussion for the next YEAR would be that book.
It's less "read my next work" and more "I'm friends with this guy, give him 1k followers" type of thing that upsets me. The former is a proven one while the latter is extremely common.
I would love for works to stand on their own and prove their quality. At least, such thing is even possible in the web novel scene while trad pubs dominated it for time immemorial.
It's less of a problem than I make it sound, I'm just black pilled about life, don't give it much thought.
But again, it's just how life is.

>>24654643
>extremely common.
extremely common IRL I meant.

>society rewarding people for who they know
more breaking news at 10

>>24654618
I am getting caught up on PH now, actually. Both are extremely similar. The main difference for me is the progression in PH is more video game-like while DoTF has a proper xianxia progression system. The issue is, the protagonist of DoTF just skips a lot of the normal progression by eating lots of natural treasures. It's kind of lame. Even so, it has better background lore and the multiversal factions are far more interesting. PH feels more stale in this regard.

I would probably say that PH is more popular because it is less repetitive and easier to read. In my opinion it's not as good as DOTF but both are sysapoc popcorn sloppa so it doesn't really matter. I enjoy both.

>this is the ad that brings in millions
what the fuck, i thought i needed a bespoke advertisement designed by fucking Don Draper

>>24654655
The funny thing is that this author didn't advertise on rr and plebbit until after they were making $10k+ a month.

>>24654655
I think you got it backwards chief, Archmage didn't grow because of this ad.
And fucking hell OccultBeat, hire an artist already, I want to see my emotionless wife drawn by the hands of a human.

>>24654649
Word of mouth and endorsements from trusted figures (influencers) is just important. Reading is a huge time investment already, and there's more supply than a normal person can read in a lifetime published every single day. Some people get overlooked.
If it really bothers you personally, you could become a reviewer and try to point people towards works you feel don't get a fair shot. At the very least you could write up a short review post of works you think are overlooked and post about them in /wng/.

>>24654671
I already do, three authors—two here and one by dm—have thanked me. One work that I thought it was good and hasn't blown up yet is sitting in #2 rising stars right now, which I also posted here.
I try to be positive in my interactions, the world already punches us enough.

>>24654655
shitty ads have sovl

>>24654687
Good on you mate.

>>24654655
unfortunately the popup ad design ethos persists because it gets clicks

Oh fuck guys it's contagious.

>>24654706
[It's Contagious]

imagine doing everything right, following all the RR guides, writing a great story, budgeting for 2-3 ads but just being shit outta luck because a cabal has claimed all top 10 RS spots

>>24654711
Actually, Puppy Girl Evolution didn't make top 50 RS. There's an impostor! All the others did make it though.

Honestly if this fucked up someone's launch they should just take it down, wait a week, and relaunch. I don't think the mods will bitch too much if they even notice.

>>24654718
ads can be paused but their links can't be changed afaik. so the money is wasted

>>24654711
shit got me in a cold sweat
i need to do reconnaissance at the very least or i'm getting my shit pushed in by shadowy cabals

>>24654721
Isn't there a way to unpublish or make chapters private without deleting them and necessitating a new URL?
You can keep the same fiction page just delete the chapters and repost later. If your ad points to the first chapter directly (I don't know why this is even done), you can edit the chapter with placeholder text, pause the ad, and then restart the ad after replacing the placeholder text with the actual chapter, then resume posting.
Hell the monstergirl cabal seems nice: you could just say hey guys this fucked up my launch can I get a shoutout, and they'd probably do it.

>>24654630
>link
I'll give it a go my dood but I'm swamped to fuck with work so slow slow progress.

>>24654718
>I don't think the mods will bitch too much if they even notice.
They don't care about that at all. I made it to RS by restarting my story literally 5 times with the same cover and blurb until it worked.

>>24654739
well that fucks with your rising stars algorithm, no? your fiction age/how fast you're getting views since release/etc. I have no clue how though? questionable strategy

>>24654743
No worries man. It might have hit different for me due to personal traumas anyway (with working shitty jobs just barely adjacent to international diplomacy). It'd probably work better for you to pick stories that have tense action scenes that you've already read and study those anyway.

>>24654746
A support ticket to change the URL for the ad might also work. I have a feeling RR mods would be sympathetic if you can literally point to an open cabal of authors that flooded the site with their works all at once.

This will only become increasingly common.

Screenshot this post.

no bro you don't understand they are actually all very high quality

>>24654753
one of the 2 royal road mods literally knew about it before it happened. im sure the other did as well. they condone all of this

look im not saying the cabal shit is good & I wished it was banned too so organic traffic was the only factor. but then money (ads) become the super meta, and that fucks over the poors. at least the shoutout shit lets anyone willing to suffer have a chance. (banning both ads and shoutouts obviously doesn't work because then RR the site shuts down with no income)
anyway, point being, I really think you guys need to man up. so much complaining. royalroad is one of the only places in the world, internet or otherwise, where some random person can write something, post it, and blow up.
just focus on yourself. ignore the noise. and don't fucking suck

>>24654753
I pointed out the cabal shit on the RR forums and the mods deleted my posts. They don't care.

>>24654796
Shoutouts quite literally make ads more necessary. When a majority of rising stars are shouting out one another you have no choice but to buy one for a better chance at visibility. This means you need to either play their game, pay for an ad, or do both. If RR only accepted advertisements and didn't allow shoutouts it would unironically be more fair.

I hate the cabal/networking shit, but can we move on? I guess 90% of us agree it's shit but we can't do anything about it; it's not going away, the mods approve of it and authors like it.
Best you can do is make your own, like fucking Tina said. Send a dm to other authors you know are here and so on.
Just carry on, give your best shot.

>>24654812
you are correct but cold-messaging bigger authors asking for a shoutout does work
i've done it and had it done to me

>>24654812
>If RR only accepted advertisements and didn't allow shoutouts it would unironically be more fair.
Idk if I agree dude. I think 90% of RS would be fictions with ads being run. Why wouldn't it be? You get crazy traffic from an ad.
This way, poors who get like 30 shout outs can get onto RS without an ad.

I'm a mid-writer, but anyone wants to read the introductory part of my word sprawly litrpg story?

https://www.scribblehub.com/read/1806246-kindlelight/chapter/1806324/ (It ain't approved yet)

It’s about a blue skinned elf girl who lives in a floating city. She gets picked for a magic trial, it goes wrong, and she gets exiled(by the city itself) and is quite literally tossed out of the sky. Ends up stuck in a weird ruin, and has to survive.

Still early on. Still deciding what to do, but if anyone wants to give ita read, I'd appreciate it, not looking for critique, just shilling my stuff.

>>24654876
>Still deciding what to do
Outline.

Judging these books by their covers, you must pick ONE (1) to follow and read in its entirety
Which are you picking?

>>24654882
By the cover, only Zombie girl.
Anon recommended Magpie girl.
Haven't started on either, my read list is too big and my motivation, too little.

>>24654882
either magpie or phoenix

>>24654882
cat or zombie

>>24654219
NTA but i checked out the first part of Grosse's.... 39-book(?!) dungeon core series and found it unappealing.
He just writes sex scenes like he's blandly listing the various positions from a porn movie he's watching.

>>24654909
sounds kinda Grosse

>>24654480
>You forgot "enemies to lovers" and "only one bed."
webslops with these tags? i thought only KU slop got these

>>24654882
is this the cabal flagrantly flexing their influence? are they trying to prove a point? is it market manipulation to try and force a trend?
I hate this cabal shit. my life is already ruled by an elite class of secret society retards that can't help fucking everything up

>>24654947
RS ranking is based on actual readership not whatever gimmicks, so this wouldn't happen if shoutout swap ads didn't actually lead to readers.
In the end it just shows that most of RR readership are cattle easily affected by marketing techniques.

I'm getting a team together of remarkable writers. People who together could force the trends we wanted, get the followers we deserve. We're calling it the Cape Slop initiative. We'll all write superhero stories at the same time and suck each other off till we rise to the stars. Are you in?

>>24654947
It's cabals all the way down. Always has been.

>>24654982
>suck each other
Don't know man, that sounds kinda gay Writer Fury.

some version of teamwork has always been why we as humans succeeded. this is human nature.

>>24654992
Gotta fight gay shit with gay shit.

>>24654994
Ok, I'm in. Just remember: no homo.

It’s amazing how easy it is to write once you realize that 1. You matter 2. Writing is fun

>>24654994
>Gay shit
Never mind. I'll suck off my bros for fun & fame but I draw the line at homosexuality.

oh this cover really did not make me think of a horse
the anon with the umamusume fanfic should sue

what does evolve even mean in this case
evolving like pokemon? like animals in east asian folklore?

>>24655050
yes like pokemon.
what the fuck is east asian folklore evolution?

>>24655073
stuff like carp turning into dragons, cats becoming 2-tailed cats and gaining sentience, foxes becoming 9-tailed foxes and gaining sentience, etc

>>24654982
>Bic Fury

>>24655079
Oh, that sounds the same as the pokemon thing.

There are also some stories that focus on the monsters mutating/evolving individual body parts or glands. I dunno how common that is though.

I am BEGGING the Zuchini poster to change the fucking name. Your cover is so cool. Why the fuck did you plaster the ugliest word in the human language over it?

>>24654876
>not looking for critique,
Lame

>>24654876
>Author of 'flux
Oh, is this your new novel? Also, are you posting first on ScribbleHub to try to get a boost?

>>24655195
>(It ain't approved yet)
he's waiting for RR jannies

>>24655200
Oh, I thought ScribbleHub has some type of approval like RR but allowed for it to be shared nonetheless.

>>24655164
not him but Zucchini is a hilarious name for a protag, I think it's got the type of rustic charm that might work

>>24655213
It has the lolsorandumb reddit "charm" that will attract rr readers, that's true

>>24655222
>lolsorandumb
not really. are you american? i think the author is italian so maybe zucchini has a different association and vibe for euros

>>24655164
Whats wrong anon, does the name zucchini bring up unpleasant memories of playing cave explorer with your uncle?

>>24655229
when i think zucchini (the word not the vegetable) i automatically imagine an epic bacon toast millennial saying it because it le sounds le funny
the vegetable is ok i like it breaded and pan fried

>>24654399
>I don't turn on the formatting part of my brain if I'm not writing for my slop
Pro tip ANON...
If you respond to that *crab* by trying to explain why you don't edit your posts. Well. Just don't. This is the voice of experience, anon.

>>24655231
weird hangup to have honestly
I just think of an elderly italian still using it as a term of endearment for a now tall and jacked grandchild or something. I don't think it's one of those words with the type of performative wholesomeness/cuteness/randomness you're suggesting.

>>24655252
>Boy, you grew up like my zucchini did in my youth

>>24654687
>I try to be positive in my interactions, the world already punches us enough.
it certainly does. The only way to deal with it is to laugh. Nothing else works.

>>24655046
it looks like that rabbit girl from the one anime I see fanart of from time to time.
AIsloppers will never match the genius of moving around assets in gimp

>>24654796
>I really think you guys need to man up. so much complaining.
I hear you. I can put my feeling into words though. Here's how it boils down. A cabal for mutual aid exists. You get and reciprocate shouts etc. Now you can collaborate and mog the board. All I want to point out. An anon here once dared to breathe the words one night. Hey anons why don't we form our own cabal. Shout each other out. Review each other swap. They were vocal about it.
>
Result? That anon was screeched at and more. One anon was screamingin all caps. I'm going to report you to RR mods! That's illegal! You would have thought anon here suggested selling crack in church to children.
>
Observation: Cabal exists. It works. Its legal
Observation: one /lit/ anon suggests we form our own. as in why not.
Conclusion: Oy veying and kvetching on 11.
Translation of observation/conclusion is simple...
Its A-OK when those people do it. But its illegal for (you) to do it. Gee. I wonder why the double standard. When THEY do it? Man up, dude. But if YOU decide to do the exact same thing. Here comes hell. You can draw your own logical conclusions.

>>24654827
>Best you can do is make your own, like fucking Tina said. Send a dm to other authors you know are here and so on.
Its a scary world indeed, when Tina got drunk and made sense.

>>24655312
thank you tina very cool!

>>24654545
I'd like to know which discords you're joining. Feel like I need to do this for my story.

>>24654882
Speed of Light cover. Looks least "child/juvenile" image out of all.

>>24655312
dumb retard

>>24655164
>I am BEGGING the Zuchini poster to change the fucking name. Your cover is so cool. Why the fuck did you plaster the ugliest word in the human language over it?
>
never read it but watched the discourse over it with chuckles. What goes through my head? Old comedy movie. A big budget comedy movie Starring Dana "man of a thousand faces" Carvey.
>
The hero (carvey) his name? Pistachio. Its funny when the MILF character plays the straight in this absurdist comedy.
"My son, don;t get mad. He's only a young kid. He thinks your name is... Pistachio. I mean, he
s a kid, that's cute. But what is your name."
Father and son in theis absurdist comedy exchange looks.
"Ma'am? My name is... Pistachio!"
I mean, that's the scene in a movie I keep think thinking of.
I think its so silly, it could work.

>>24655166
>>not looking for critique,
you should always seek critique. Your ability to absorb meaningful critique and your ability to ignore crabs is a good thing both of them. The ability to tell them apart is a great skill.

>>24655244
thanks for the advice TINA

>>24655164
I'm Italian, lol. Zucchini is a normal word to me.

Is it that bad for American audiences?

>>24655358
I wasn't that anon, but I'm (also?) American and Zucchini does have a meme flavor to it. I had assumed you'd purposefully picked a shitposty name, and anon's description of "lolsorandom" is apt
It's not a total shitpost but it definitely reads shitpost-aligned.

>>24655164
>in the human language

>>24655368
That's true as well. Zucchini doesn't read as massive shitpost to me.

Though also, yeah it is also meant to signal that the series is (somewhat) comedic and light hearted.

>>24654882
Bottom right. The title sameness and AIslop parity alone makes me want to ditch them all. Like someone got early access to GPT-7 and told it to generate 11 webslops with superficially differing protagonist gimmicks

>>24654947
They're literally doing rotation shoutouts to each other's titles like algorithmic hiveminds. The RR cabal has reached a state of such open brazenness that they simply operate in the open

I am going to bomb every single one of them with my story that has a system apocalypse, regression, FMC, weak to strong, strong to stronger, with martial arts, magic, dungeons, and a second protagonist who is your average self-insert (male) who is literally me.

reminder that if you insert yourself into a male you are GAY

It's time we commence the 4Clover cabal. Reactivate the pastebin and initiate the shoutout protocol

All this talk made me check the forums and reddit (I don't have discord so dunno what's going on there) and I saw some people echoing the same thoughts of this threads, but maybe less lopsided. 4 posts on reddit and 2 on the forums by what I could find.
This one comment though, I found rather needlessly rude. Aren't we supposed to be the toxic ones?

>>24655450
It's not a secret. It's an open collaboration. I'm tempted to spend tonight writing 3-5k words of some monster girl evo drivel and then the next couple days padding that out to 15k and following the precepts, and DM them all for shoutouts. Why not? I'm not above jumping on a bandwagon. I'm just not sure what I want my premise and monster girl type to be.

>>24655481
lol why don’t you retards just draw comic books. You know you don’t have the talent to write something that conveys the same vivid action and movement; just stale words on a page. Sooo boring.

>>24655481
Cultivation or litrpg?

>>24655492
>Dog Girl Evolution
>Slug girl evolution
>Spider Girl Evolution
>Dragon girl Evolution
>Turtle girl evolution.
>Axolotl Girl Evolution
>Goblin Girl evolution
>Tanuki Girl evolution
>Tiger Girl Evolution
>>24655494
I don't care
>>24655506
Litrpg, of course

>>24655489
>pic commentary
If this was the case the authors should have stated so in the forefront "This story is part of a group project to see who writes the best monster girl story" or something alike. The way they silently popped up together, pushed a lot of trending stories down the ladder, and then proceeded to make use of shoutout methods to boots all of them at once just screams cabal pratice

>>24655511
>Spider Girl Evolution

>>24655492
You assume these cadres will accommodate you without requiring a discord kneesocks blood oath first.

>>24655522
they will though, the cabal is actually super welcoming and will happily add you to the hivemind, for free, without jumping through hoops, etc

>>24655530
actually that's the immersive ink hivemind, the evo girl one is the established author hivemind (the order) which might not be as easy to get shoutouts from

>>24655522
I refuse to actually use discord (data harvesting and NSA spying) but if they say no, that's fine. I'd still copy what they're doing. Just gotta figure out what AI they're using to generate their covers and make the cover look similar.

>>24655539
probably midjourney but that's just a guess.

>>24655544
Aw fuck I'm looking at the website and everything about it is such a turnoff
>login methods only google and discord
>payment plans
>pricing tiers
>parameters selections like I'm not an uncle ted and I just know what this shit means
I hate this

A year or two ago, I was coming up with ideas for a LitRPG. One of them was about a guy split personality disorder getting the isekai treatment, and all of his personalities have their own classes. The name I came up with was Party Of One. The acronym killed it for me, so I dropped it.

>>24655581
so pick a different title

>>24655581
write it as party of 1
make the number really big on the cover so it isn't missable
PO1

>>24655581
One Man Party
Party of his Own
We Are Legion
We Are Him
We Are Us
We're Our Own Party
One Person Party

>>24655640
We Are Him has some real meme potential.

>>24655640
I like anything "Legion"

>>24655522
>You assume these cadres will accommodate you without requiring a discord kneesocks blood oath first.
top fucking kek

>>24655581
>he missed out on All for One and One for All

>>24655487
>It's time we commence the 4Clover cabal. Reactivate the pastebin and initiate the shoutout protocol
Motion has been seconded. Motion proceeds.

>>24655669
Hmm, nah. NYPA veto.

>>24655487
>>24655669
>>24655677
I didn't vote for any of you thougbeit.

I'm scared I'm going to disappoint my readers

>>24655751
Why are you scared of the inevitable, anon? Do you also fear death or taxes?

>>24655487
on the sole condition that FFF is permanently barred

>>24655487
>>24655669
>>24655756
If you want to get serious about forming a group there needs to be standards. If you just allow anyone from 4chan into it you’ll start getting spergs who ruin it for everyone. Of course, the second you have to kick out one autist because he begged the group to be his personal army and review bomb someone, that autist turns around and starts a hate campaign against the group.
Or worse, the autist stays in the group and your work becomes associated with him. This all already happened with Unreal Press/Tales of the Unreal.
And let’s not forget, it isn't normal users campaigning to group up. It’s underage posters like Tina and FFF who are frothing at the mouth to start a discord group and roleplay as Anonymous to take down the heckin evil cabal of RR brahmins

>>24655778
if i was cringe enough to join a cabal it sure as fuck wouldn't be the 4chan cabal are you insane

>>24655778
You should be trying to form groups with people who have works you enjoy, not people who post on the same forum as you

if you DM me on the site asking for a shout-out swap and have actually read my work I will likely do it. I have no desire to be the key figure in any sort of network but I'm willing to help people out.

>>24655790
Honestly we don't have any common traits in our novels, beyond the fact that most write rather niche to the site; of all anons, there's like two or three litRPGs.

>>24655778
>It’s underage posters like Tina and FFF who are frothing at the mouth to start a discord group and roleplay as Anonymous to take down the heckin evil cabal of RR brahmins
TinaAnon checking in. The facts are. Yes. I drunk-posted the original idea. You have my sincerest apologies for my antics. Yet the fact remains. A group or association (call it what you will) its obvious on its face that the mutual aid system simply works. I think its hilarious you assume my age or anything else thats quite funny. After forming the idea? I don't want in charge of *anything*. I want better writers and better minds to handle it. Ad no, I don;t look at this like attacking or taking down le heckin'... goddamn anything.
>
What I'm saying is simply this. The mutual aid association seems to have obvious benefits. It violates no law or rule, as it turns out. We are all collectively *retarded* is we don't form a mutual aid association and act in the same manner. Someone anon said "super hero stories". Okay. So get 10 to 12 people to commit to cranking out sample first chapters of super hero stories. Hive mind the title system and everyone picks one from the list. I'm TINA and I have a few crime hard-boil sort of noir things. I have heard at least one other anon here? Say they were writing "raditional crime novels". Thats two of us. 8 more and there's another group. Recently some anon critiqued my book covers? And it was valid. But anon went on to demonstrate and... *wow*. We get "cover anon" to maybe help us all get coherent covers that look more professional. Goddammit we have everything needed to come off like gangbusters doing this. All it takes? Is a couple dozen anons that write all acting together in concert. If wise council and shitposting suggests that author pen names should be strategically chosen? Then form a thread committee and do so. Make a list. How is this not all logical. Everyone wins. No down side. No drama queening in public. You do this for a couple short months? You can all put out *blocks* of what you all claim (know) that pulp paperbacks are supposed to be.
>
the only posters that would make fun of this? I suspect wears those brightly colored troon socks.

>>24655778
The problem is every mutual assistance group needs a tard-wrangler (of course, everyone in such groups is a tard who needs wrangling), otherwise it falls apart. And the quality of the group depends on the quality of the tard-wrangler in chief.

Even for the monstergirl evo cabal, the idea may have been spontaneous, but somebody had to organize the overall theme everyone would follow, set guidelines, decide on a deadline to have your fiction ready for launch, and a date for everyone to simultaneously launch. They probably had to also send out reminders for the last month or two reminding people to get their shit ready on time or miss out on being in the group launch. It's a lot of unpaid labor, certainly not an antisocial paranoid schizo like myself could do even if I wanted to.

>>24655829
>They probably had to also send out reminders for the last month or two reminding people to get their shit ready on time or miss out on being in the group launch.
Honestly probably not. It came from The Order so every pen name there is an established author with some level of success, who knows how to play the meta. I bet it was mostly shit posting and a slew of "So we should post X day yeah?" and a bunch of "Sure"s
You don't need to tard wrangle when your selection of tards is from a already-successful group of writers

>>24655806
>if you DM me on the site asking for a shout-out swap and have actually read my work I will likely do it. I have no desire to be the key figure in any sort of network but I'm willing to help people out.
I spotted FFF on another WN site. Not RR. Fuck it I read first chapter. Holy shit. I gave him five stars and a nice review simply because of how ambitious it all is. That kind of try-hard ambition needed apat on the shoulder. I thought. Still waiting for my review back from FFF though. On hat (small) WN site. A single 5 star review instantly splashes your book cover with five stars and it looks impressive. When I got my own there it made that one book go into "recommended" rotation. I figured he can enjoy that. I hope it brought a smile to his face when he notices.

>>24655778
>roleplay as Anonymous to take down the heckin evil cabal of RR brahmins
Yep. If you want to start a discord group, then it should just be for networking/review swaps/shout outs and organisations. As well as help. Like all these discords are for and which anons are complaining about.

I cannot trust any /wng/ server not going to shit due to spergs though. So the general is good for me.

Hey tina what did you think about my story?

>>24655778
There are different levels of associations, ideally the higher you go, the more concise your standards should be since your webnovel's standing is further heightened by all these connections. For example, I could note two distinct degrees of organizations voluntarily formed here:
— 1st Rail
>occasionally posting your fiction on /wng/ (think of Zuchini anon)
>no further compromise needed other than posting links and getting slightly more engagement.
— 2nd Rail
>adhering to a loose but fixed reel such as the previous /wng/ pastebin.
>or, unoptimally, having a posting frequency that concretizes your persona (think FFF).
>some etiquette is required here to avoid outrages and spergouts. The long-term engagement boost and review swap perks are considerable enough to kickstart a fiction to some category of rising stars as seen with FFF
— 3rd rail, currently nonexistent, but theorizing it would be akin to subgroups with more directed effort, think of simultaneous schedules, crossover artworks and such.
I think the general is too young for this level of organization currently, but the second one can be brought back into function with failsafe adjustments

i want one anon to post something actually on meta so i can see how it does. all of you fuckers write weird shit

>>24655945
I'm writing litRPG, but it's action+SOL and no power fantasy. Does it count (still on the backlog phase)?

>>24655913
Also regarding failsafe methods. For future admissions into a probable pastebin, it would be smart to add a very simple rule that violating RR's platform etiquette to the point a bad enough conduct spills into other authors will get you bounced out, so any and all drama can be preemptively prevented.
>t. tips from a prolific guildmaster in korean mmo

>>24655945
I am planning on writing a litrpg where an entire server gets sucked into a real life version of their mmo.

>>24655974
A more compelling consequence for impropriety would be a dispropotionate reatlliation from the members of the basket-weaving cabal. Review-bombing, perhaps, or some such other undesireable thing.
Like how thirdies disincentivize pedophillia by torturing and murdering pedos. The cabal could torture and murder the RR accounts of the uncouth.

>>24655991
very 2012 of you

>>24656004
>very 2012 of you
I've been mulling it over for awhile, but I was imagining something like Lord of the Flies, with cannibalistic lolis eating NPCs. But I'll probably tone that part down.

>mc plays his favorite game God Simulator obsessively
>it’s one of those works of immaculate autism, programmed by a single autist and enjoyed by autists
>MC decides to start a new game by deciding type of Deity he starts out as, etc.
>Creates a creator deity, and uses first act to make three different deities each charged with their own purpose
>MC loses interest, pauses and goes to sleep
>Wakes up in a strange place
>Sudden sense of absurd power and a constant stream of knowledge makes them quickly realize they’ve been isekai’d into their game world
>Looks over said world, still expecting an empty space
>One of the three gods are missing, there are two separate pantheons created by the remaining two gods, and a whole slew of mortals who ascended into deities
>Notably, the MC remembers he did not give any of said gods the ability to create mortal life
>Entire story is the MC trying to figure out wtf happened, being a God with the mind of a mortal

Is this a good premise for a story to post on RR?

>>24656030
Absolutely. You've got this, anon

>>24655945
>i want one anon to post something actually on meta
Cherno Caster [Noir Isekai Biopunk LitRPG]

>>24656131
NTA, but your work is the very definition of "weird shit".

>>24656149
I'm not the author I just thought it seemed pretty on-meta.

>>24655487
The reverse cabal of giving only anonymous 0.5 ratings to each other

>>24656151
were we supposed to not be already doing that? oops

>>24655945
>>24656149
What's on meta to you?

>>24655195
Kinda. I wanna try and snag a few readers if I can. I know it's off-meta for ScribbleHub, so I'm holding off entirely from Royal Road. Honestly, my inbox stresses me out. I haven't opened the site much lately.

I think I'm not ready for the glam of chasing down Royal Road this year again. I'll try again next year, maybe. I had my chance and squandered it. It's just a super competitive environment. Some obscure harem smut author showed me Kindle earnings, and Jesus fuck, I personally think the Patreon begging is not worth it in comparison.

Who knows, who cares.

>>24655778
FFF-anon here---you’re a redditor.
If your standards are bait only soulless and Personalityless normies who just homogenize with the common ethos, then your group will be nothing more than a pyramid scheme where only you take any benefit.

just made accounts for Discord, Reddit, Telegram, OkCupid, etc

where my web fiction CABALS at?!!

>>24656316
nta but I think it's more a case of noir and biopunk being off-meta even if isekai litrpg are meta
I would agree that at a glance, cherno caster looks like "weird shit"

>>24656410
No one's suggesting that. But you actually need to tardwrangle anons. No other way around it.

Why not just give these stories zero star reviews?

>>24655556
You fucking retard. Stable Diffusion is open source and free. /g/ has had a general thread with download links for fucking years. All the LORAs you could possibly want are all free online. And if you're too stupid to install open source freeware, $20 a month for infinite and instantaneous cover art is a deal of a lifetime.

>>24656466
>paying anything for AI
who's the retard, retard?

>>24656456
The Thought Police rule Oceania, not the Party.
Your idea of a 'good webnovel' is just a way to shape the group to your will.
Just look at this general, from anons sharing their hard-working stories to a bunch of cannibals discussing on how to make the more as much money as possible.

>>24656473
>looks down on AI art as he struggles to implement it into his web novel slop.

All this """meta""" shit is stressing me out. From now on I give up on having success, or trying to force it. I'll only put my slop out there to get it out of my system. If I get like 3 views or any non-zero number on it I'll be happy.

since there are a lot of writers here. why do authors on scribblehub drop their work or go on hiatus on such a high rate

>>24656004
>Review-bombing, perhaps, or some such other undesireable thing.
They are visible authors. They would be vulnerable to getting it back. So no, mutually assured destruction. Penalty offsets,nothing happens.

>>24655860
>Hey tina what did you think about my story?
Its weird. I hear a disembodied voice. I need some clue.

>>24656582
>I'll be happy
I wish that were true for your sake but you probably won't be. Having no audience is inherently saddening.

>>24656484
>Your idea of a 'good webnovel' is just a way to shape the group to your will.
I'm not even the same guy you responded too. My thoughts are just simply; having a place to organize, network and review swap is inherently a good thing.

It's kind of embarrassing seeing anons seethe about "cabals" when this is a basic part of any industry.

how's your work's WQ (Waifu Quotient)? how many waifus do you have/planned? are new ones being introduced at appropriately spaced out intervals? are they all sufficiently different? do you have good -dere diversity?

>>24656004
>Review-bombing, perhaps, or some such other undesireable thing.
Honest here, I'd say make it a rule. No reviewing those cabal writers. At all. No touch. We ignore them, they ignore us.

>>24656619
no, it's not a good thing to have success be gated behind success
what the fuck is wrong with you. black hearted demon

>>24656629
>no, it's not a good thing to have success be gated behind success
The real world does not work like this.

Basic networking with others in the profession is a simple, common and important practice. Not doing it is inherently putting yourself at a massive disadvantage.

>>24656620
It's a bishoujo action series so...

>>24656638
are you dense? people don't take issue with the subject of socializing, they take issue with the fact that a small group of already established and successful people get to leverage their success to determine the market climate and stifle the systems and forces whoch would otherwise allow even opportunity

>>24656620
I have an absurd amount of evil waifus, honestly.

>>24656683
>people don't take issue with the subject of socializing
They absolutely are taking issue with the idea of networking. The "cabal" is only capable of doing "this" because they are coordinating and networking with each other.

Its that simple.

Should a wizard be their own power source? I was writing a magic system, where mages channel power from outside, but is it a turn-off for modern readers if the mojo isn't strictly the MC's personal property?

>>24656694
Cabals are unions of mediocre beings that need to cut the new hope before it grows to preserve their status.

>>24656698
this alone wouldn't be the turn-off (or turn-on for that matter)
if it makes sense with the rest of the system, it won't be an issue

>>24656694
Most writers turned to self-publishing to escape all this bullshit, but now the self-publishing scene is basically turning into THE publishing scene, just with the publishers, agents and journalists replaced with literally-whos hiding behind anime avatars.

>>24656704
You are going to have to play the same game if you want to achieve similar effects. Its up to you.

Only talking about it now because anons are constantly bringing it up.

>>24656706
what is this attitude of spiritual debasement?
is this the legendary crab?

>>24656708
I know. I'm not a fan of it either. The landscape is changing again as self-publishing becomes mainstream.

But like, if anons are seething about it in regards to the cabal, then why not just organize ourselves?

just find something other than royal road to post on

has anyone from /lit/ actually made decent money doing this?

>>24656718
There'd have to be successful writers here for organizing to do anything. Getting a shoutout from somebody with max 600 followers or less does nothing, really. But the alleged big shots refuse to openly associate with anons.

>>24656716
what are you talking about? I think you're being too sensitive, snowflakefren
I'm saying details of that nature alone won't be the thing that makes or breaks a power/magic system

>>24656733
trailer trash anon and cherno anon

>>24656719
There are just no rivals for the kikes. On RR, you can easily get tens of thousands of views even without any tricks. Post the same story on SH, and you're lucky to cross 1000 with 20 favorites. And nothing on wattpad. The site's lead only grows with each passing year when success breeds success.

>>24656744
Fair. Guess we'll just have to continue writing.

>>24656758
that's why i said find retard

RR wasn't the first and won't be the last

Did that anon post the dystopian yuri novel?
Any yuri recs?

>>24656608
>>>24655860
>>Hey tina what did you think about my story?
I think I didn't get a review back, is what I think. Or haven't you been paying attention. If this is FFF... go to check your MQ acct. And correct the situation.

>>24656860
>correct the situation
fucking lol did fff-anon even agree to a review swap arrangement?

>>24655860
>Hey tina what did you think about my story?
I meant what I said in my review. It was late I was tired when I found it. I remember being in a sort of shock and awe. The big map. The green phosphor newsfeeds. And I meant what I said. Reminds me of LOTR and DUNE had a love child. I have to go back and re-read it, to be honest. I was kind of gawking at all the spectacle of everything.
>
I do remember a vibe I got though. I think it was a clarke novel I once read. The important family lived on like a jupiter space station or something. Low gravity the whole guys life. The yong guy was picked to represent the family on big business matters, down on earth.
>
That was the vibe I got. Young member of an important family picked to... go out and off and... have the adventure, I guess.

>>24656862
>fucking lol did fff-anon even agree to a review swap arrangement?
no. thought I was being nice.
whatever.

>>24656878
doing nice things with clear, spoken expectations of recompense isn't as magnanimous as you think hahaha

>>24655945
I'd say mine is fairly standard. I'll just post the stats I screenshotted 2 days ago because I'm lazy and it hasn't changed much anyway. Personally, I think it's fine for a first fiction and 0 review/shoutout swapping shenanigans, but you tell me.

First upload was 3 months age btw

>>24656921
It's fine or something

>>24656860
FFF-Anon here, do you want a review back?

>>24656946
>FFF-Anon here, do you want a review back?
well if you noticed I did include a *link* to the second chapter of one of my books on the same site. Figured you'd know what that was for.
>
yeah. review me back. If you have anything negative to say about chapter 2 I linked? Say it *here*, not in your review. I think I'm down to just needing a few more things edited out of my stuff, still getting rid of bad rough draft writing practices. So let me know *here* what would make it more read-able.
>
since we're not on RR doing this? Consider it a "dry run" for anons here cooperating instead of what we usually do.
Also.
How do you like visiting that site now, and seeing those 5 stars on your only book there, eh? Kid of neat, I know. Also. You will get put into "recommended" rotation now. It dosn;t get you anything, I know, but its just fun to visit the site and see your own book recommended.

>>24656946
>FFF-Anon here, do you want a review back?
Also pro-tip here for being on MQ now. I went through this. Check your CHAPTER NUMBERS on the "edit chapter" page. I noticed that my chapters were out of order. I noticed your chapters looked out of order, too. (now that I said it, you'll see it)
it happens somewhere between uploding the chapter, then publishing it. But I learned. It liked to jumpa number. After you publish, go edit the same chapter AGAIN, and you'll see the chapter number box is "off" from the true chapter number. You will probably thank me for this once you see what I mean. other than that, its an easy site to use.

>>24657067
Not today, because I need to complete my chapter. Also, please tell me how many chapters of your story I should read to write a fair review.

>>24656946
>FFF-Anon here, do you want a review back?
the book and chapter link for your review? Are on your "blog".

>>24657095
>Not today, because I need to complete my chapter. Also, please tell me how many chapters of your story I should read to write a fair review.
>
Merry's Present - Chapter 2 - Feelings
(its in a link on your blog)
I'm not as much interested in the overall story as much as someone laying an eyeball on that chapter. More about style and readability.

>>24656733
me
>>24656755
haven't seen 64 in forever and I dont think akaso is making much desu
>>24656744
no offense but of course we dont want to associate, have you seen the regulars here? we're a bunch of spergs and retards

>>24657096
Bro, holy shit, put the FBI's logo in your cover. You are losing readers.

>>24656593
I don't know much about ScribbleHub but I guess it's the same for Royal Road: they got let down by the amount of views, or they didn't know how to continue the story and stopped or they got burned out of writing at a high pace.

these modern discord servers are so fucking bloated jesus fucking christ

i'm in hell... but it's time to network

>>24656711
>>24656708
If cheating like this is allowed then why don't we just skip to the end and use review bots? I'm sure everyone's gonna love that!

>>24657154
I don't know how those authors reconcile writing with socializing on discod servers. Maybe they got a huge ass backlog and can take a lot of breaks, maybe they don't even have a fiction yet procrastinate on voice chats all day. Me? I stopped going out with irl friends and even talking to them because they drained too much of my writing time. And me? I found /wng/ to be the bare minimum level of interaction that also keeps me updated on the webnovel scene

>>24655860
>>24656860
>>24656946
>>24657067
>>24657103
Can someone just screenshot and send this shit to the RR mods already

>>24657203
>what are review swaps

>>24657208
Illegal

>>24657211
>
Common reviewswapper W

>>24657154
I got overwhelmed. It's very easy to see any conversation here and jump on it, while there's a dozen different conversations going and none seems particularly interesting.

>>24657219
Tina’s first two chapters aren't 10,000 words

>>24657222
It's over.

>>24657222
aren't they doing this on a different website tho? RR doesn't care

>>24655955
sounds like yes, so post it and get famous already
>>24655991
sounds fun. what sets the MC apart?
>>24656131
akaso's stuff is meta-aligned but not really 'on meta'. it is litrpg, but 'noir biopunk' turns a lot of people away. actually on meta would be a standard medieval fantasy setting
>>24656316
litrpg power fantasy would be the most on-meta you could get, but even taking one step sideways would still be on meta (cyberpunk litrpg, for example, or modern-setting capeshit perhaps).
>>24656921
what's it about?

>>24657291
>sounds like yes, so post it and get famous already
I only have five chapters ready, will release once I get ~20. Still undecided if I'll release before or after the deckbuilder deluge.

>>24657295
Stop trying to make deckbuilders happen, Gretchen. It isn't going to happen.

>>24656683
>the rich get richer while anyone who doesn't start off with some kind of inbuilt advantage struggles
that's exactly how the real world works in almost every field...

>>24657301
>Gretchen
Wrong person m8.

>>24657309
It's a Mean Girls quote. I can see I'm in poor company. I'll see myself out

>>24656801
only yuri ive read recently is "What’s Wrong With a Snake That Just Wants to Cultivate and Transform?"

Any WNs where MC is a noble and he's actually treated like a noble? MC doesn't have to start out as a noble either, could be something he earns.

>>24656801
>Any yuri recs?
Katalepsis is the only one I've liked, and to be honest it's not really a romance story, the romance was never the main focus
I'll die on this hill, but fanfiction has way better romances than any published fiction

>>24657327
>snake
>cultivate and transform
is this snake girl evolution

>>24657339
yes but as is typical for almost all """monster""" mc stories she gets a human form sooner or later

>>24657291
>what's it about?

Progression fantasy isekai about a Druid trying to undo the gods' influence over the world because it ruined the cycle of life and death.
I tagged it as litRPG as well because I went by what RR classified that as, not the general understanding of systems and levels and shit so that might ruin the image of it being "on meta".

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/118792/shattered-pantheon

I've posted it here a couple of times, but I don't like spamming and usually only bring it up if I want helpful criticism. The blurb and cover are thanks to the feedback of anons here.

>>24657365
did you run an ad, or are those 200 followers just from posting chapters?

>>24657365
You should at least do basic proofing. Your story's first line of dialogue is missing a period. Even just running it through chatgpt, or grammarly, would catch stuff like that. Royalroad readers aren't picky, but basic mistakes like that do lower their view of the story, even if it's subconcious

>>24657382
Ran one of the cheapest ads. 75 of those followers came as a result, according to RR.

>>24657397
Not too bad. Seems like you did miss RS main by a decent margin though. The blurb is interesting from a writing standpoint but quite bad as market material. You don't emphasize the progression fantasy, litrpg, or isekai bits. You don't say much about what the story actually IS.

>>24657395
I do, but you're right, I missed that one. Just fixed it. (Assuming you were referring to the dialogue in chapter 1, not the prologue, because I found nothing there.)

>>24657412
Unfortunately, I didn't know about the precepts prior to launching and just kind of threw it up in the beginning, pretty sure RS is long gone now. And I didn't really know about the way RR blurbs tend to be written or what readers there expect to see there (when I first saw someone list WHAT TO EXPECT, then dot point a bunch of spoilers I was baffled).

Basically, I didn't do my due diligence prior to launching. Now I just write because I like it and want to share it, and my followers/views do keep gradually going up, so at least I know people enjoy it.

Aum adi Padme hum
I declare my dedication to the Precepts and the glory of the golden path
Aum adi Padme hum
I declare my dedication to their wisdom and the glory of the golden path
Aum adi Padme hum
I declare my dedication to their truth and the glory of the golden path

>>24657425
You don't even need to do a 'What to Expect' section. Your blurb just doesn't actually explain what the story is, and what core tropes you're drawing on (progression fantasy, isekai)
>Now I just write because I like it and want to share it, and my followers/views do keep gradually going up, so at least I know people enjoy it.
Good mindset. Still, if you're going to keep writing, you should fix your front-page material. You'll drawn in more readers that way over the long term

>>24657433
I slapped this together just now to add to the existing blurb. Let me know if it addresses the issue.

--
Whether it be through the bloody trials of a beast beyond comprehension, or the routine of military training in the great imperial academy, I will forge myself into a being that can right the wrongs of this decaying world.

The greater good must be prioritised above all. Even should my soul be stained and my bonds be tested, I will do what must be done to achieve my goal.

I have died once. But I will see to it that death does not claim me again until I have broken the chains that bind humanity.
--

I'm phone posting from work, so I know it's rushed. I tried to stick to the tone, but would it be better to just do a line break and shift tones completely to blatantly say what to expect? Not like the dot point lists, just a very straightforward, "This is what you get."

>>24657474
Extending the blurb in the same style isn't what I would recommend. You already have a punchy "artsy" opening if you want it.

Either keep what you have and add three asterisks (***) and then give some "this is what you get" stuff in plain language (a la the what you expect sections), or, (and this is what I heavily recommend), rewrite the blurb entirely into a more standard blurb.

Because the blurb doesn't actually say shit about the story. What is the story?? Here, look, I'll demonstrate what I mean. I'll go grab the blurbs from the best rated stories on the site:

>Zorian is a teenage mage of humble birth and slightly above-average skill, attending his third year of education at Cyoria's magical academy. He is a driven and irritable young man, consumed by a desire to ensure his own future and free himself of the influence of his family, whom he resents for favoring his brothers over him. Consequently, he has no time for pointless distractions or paying attention to other people's problems.

As it happens, time is something he is about to get plenty of. On the eve of the Cyoria's annual summer festival, he is killed and brought back to the beginning of the month, just before he was about to take a train to Cyoria. Suddenly trapped in a time loop with no clear end or exit, Zorian will have to look both within and without to unravel the mystery before him. And he does have to unravel it, for the time loop hadn't been made for his sake and dangers lurk everywhere...

>Ryan "Quicksave" Romano is an eccentric adventurer with a strange power: he can create a save-point in time and redo his life whenever he dies. Arriving in New Rome, the glitzy capital of sin of a rebuilding Europe, he finds the city torn between mega-corporations, sponsored heroes, superpowered criminals, and true monsters. It's a time of chaos, where potions can grant the power to rule the world and dangers lurk everywhere.

Ryan only sees different routes; and from Hero to Villain, he has to try them all. Only then will he achieve his perfect ending... no matter how many loops it takes.

>Could you survive a horror movie?

That's the question Riley must answer after he and his friends get lured to Carousel, a malevolent town where horror movies come to life.

Riley thinks he is in big trouble when he is assigned the Film Buff archetype, a minor support class that has a penchant for dying early in movies. At first resigned to his fate to die over and over, he believes he has found a way to survive. Upon obtaining the Oblivious Bystander trope, monsters and killers will not harm him as long as he can convincingly pretend he has not noticed them. At first, this ability appears to be a joke, but Riley thinks that with some clever exploitation, it might just be his greatest strength.

***

Do you see? They're actually giving the premise, setting a tone, making promises and setting up hooks, and describing what the story is about.

>>24657474
>addresses the issue
it doesn't
this is poetic navel gazing which can be fine in the book itself but doesn't work as a blurb
start with the most basic version of a "when X happens, can ARCHETYPE FLAGS+MC NAME achieve GOAL?" construction/thought process and fill it out with supporting flavour and a light taste of the setting/subgenre trappings/vibe etc

>>24657490
Thanks, anon. I'll have another stab at it tomorrow. I think, unfortunately, the things that hook me compared to the average reader are just drastically different when it comes this. Like I can see why all those examples are good, but none of them would interest me if I was browsing for something to read. I may come back to the next thread to get more feedback for what I come up with.

>>24657516
Write your story as you want it, but your cover, title, and blurb are market material. If success as a self-published author is at all a goal of yours, you need to learn how to be both artist and businessman.

>>24657518
>cover
This is the biggest hurdle for authors starting out. How to make a good cover without resorting to AI when you don't have any illustration skills or the income to commission an artist?

>>24657689
>without resorting to AI
resort to AI
is it moral outrage or that you hate the generic slop look?

>>24657689
Plain color and text.

>>24657333
Ascendance of a Bookworm. It's actually a big part of the story, too.

>>24657689
You're gimping yourself by not refusing to use AI, it has become the bare minimum for covers at this point.
But if you're unwilling, you could learn some basic photoshop/gimp skills and kitbash a cover yourself. One anon posted his work and it looked fine.
>>24657724
This is what I did for mine, but I don't recommend. At least it's better than the default one that screams "dropped 2 chapters in".

>>24657689
>illustration skills
If you're a creative it's easier to branch into good graphic design than good writing.

>>24657731
Thanks.

>>24657691
The former. Even if the art looks good, I'd rather a human illustrate it. Also a networking thing since I'd imagine any respectable artist wouldn't want to associate with somene who resorts to AI for covers.

>>24657764
No prob. The nobility stuff starts in Part 3, but parts 1 and 2 aren't that long and set up a lot of important stuff so it's worth reading them.

>>24657767
>Also a networking thing since I'd imagine any respectable artist wouldn't want to associate with somene who resorts to AI for covers.
it's the standard for royalroad and they all go on to get real covers done later so i doubt people care as much as you think

>>24657767


>>24657833 is right, nobody cares about you using an AI cover. Like a real illustration is nice but people understand that a small author might not be able to afford custom made cover art.

which cabal coordinated the animal evolution thing?

>>24657844
The Order I believe. Not Immersive funny enough but they're planning they're own with deckbuilding in mid December.

>>24657889
that's really scary
RS runs go for like 3+ weeks
if you don't know the forecast then you could just get buried by these cabalistic market movements. there might eventually only ever be a couple days grace between these big moves.

you NEED to do reconnaissance starting NOW

>>24657889
is that the same as The Order of the Written Word?

>>24657902
>if you don't know the forecast
i remember seeing tards in immersive ink talking about "don't launch in august" so people could've known the forecast just by infiltrating as a lurker

>>24657906
No

>>24657910
>>24657902
On the other side, if your fiction does stand out it will share the first page with a bunch of lookalike slops. It's a hardcore high risk high reward move

>>24657910
eventually that will turn into "don't launch in january (xianxia dungeon core), february (superheroes tower climb), march (cyberpunk academy slice of life), april (steampunk time loop), may (agricultural deck builder), june (cowboy litrpg)........"

>>24657925
If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

>Keep an eye on writeathon releases
>And on cabal flooding
Ok, that's two, what else? I don't think anyone can tell when a big author releases but these ones are somewhat forseeable.
Annoying that you have to keep track of it before releasing, but that's the rules of the game I guess.

>>24657925
This is like getting ten donut trucks parked right next to each other. Other than being able to do rotation shoutouts, customers will get fatigued after the first few and walk away from the remaining flavors while thinking "more of the same." toward the ice cream truck parked nearby. Did a cabal mastermind actually think this through or is it really just a trendy fotm infatuation

>>24657963
I'm in The Order discord.
It was literally a "haha this would be funny" meme bandwagon

>>24657963
>Did a cabal mastermind actually think this through
it's not some scheme to milk money and long-term readers from. they literally just did it because it was funny to them and it sounded fun

>>24657971
can i get an invitation? i am infiltrating every single cabal i can find for reconnaissance

>>24657978
Invitation is contingent on being referred by a member who submits examples of your work and then you have to get approved through a vote
I can't be fucked to do paperwork for you

>>24657971
Was it from the order? I thought it was from the sister channel, these dudes even came up with the term of "launchapalooza" anyway we need to set up a tsunami warning system

>>24657990
i see so they're more exclusive than most of these other groups then, no worries!

big news everyone, archmage took the #1 ongoing spot from sky pride. you should go subscribe to my, sorry i mean his, patreon in celebration

>>24657996
>picrel from the ink discord
DO NOT POST around December 6

>>24657996
I'm going to keep an eye on Immersive Ink and send a heads up if I see something, but I'm retarded as far as discord goes. That being said: >>24658006 december seems locked up already.
>>24657990
*Sigh* gotta play the social game. Wonder if I can get in if my release gets enough attention. Back to the keyboard grind I guess.

>>24657203
>Can someone just screenshot and send this shit to the RR mods already
Gee. Wonder why this anon has his panties in a bunch. Other groups are allowed to do review swaps. He isn't whining about *them*. He's just trying to scare us into WE CAN'T do what the rules clearly allow for. Now I wonder what this anon's *agenda* is. Hmm. What a stumper.

>>24657203
>Can someone just screenshot and send this shit to the RR mods already
also? you are referencing people that are on a totally different site other then RR. Fucking troon.

>>24658030
We could add a bin to the OP with listings about future mass publishing events to alleviate anons who don't have access to high order cabals

>>24658096
Don't think it's that common that it needs dedicated rentry. Also Immersive Ink is public, not a high order cabal.

>>24658119
Well yes but I really wouldn't have known something like a "launchapalooza" existed in December until the discussion about joint cabal launches motivated me to investigate. I figure there will be an anon who missed this thread and is looking to publish his childhood novel somewhere around December only to hit a brick wall because he lacked critical information

>>24658005
>Still not even half of super supportive's followers
What an embarrassing flop

New chapter of FFF-Class 'Unlucky Antagonist' is out.
This time, Jacques falls in love.

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/119783/fff-class-unlucky-antagonist-villains-origin-story/chapter/2536949/man-five

>>24658119
I mean, we got The Order's monster girls evolution in mid August, there is Ink discord release set for early December, and another Order cardbuilder joint release somewhere in between... If we take the current wave, they're staying about three weeks in Rising Stars, which mean they will occupy a slice of September as well, that leaves three (3) out of four (4) remaining months of 2025 occupied

>>24658176
this pisses me off a lot

>>24657925
if this becomes the norm what the fuck is anybody else gonna do

>>24658006
>>24658014
>4chan/wng cabal is spying on humble discord authors
Why would the hacker known as 4Chan do this?

>>24658210
This is basically literary magazines 2.0
All fruit of Gong Anon's curse

>>24658188
Be honest: how much have you got written backlogged, how much of your story is outlined, and are you making a serious attempt at RS?

>>24658219
It's about sending a message. Any cabal that dares to publish their slop around these dates will receive 88 2-star ratings from my accounts. I regret nothing

How about you just write a story that isn't shit? It's still more than possible to write something that gets onto RS or Top RS. Just mildly to moderately harder, depending on whether Big Names are involved.
You fuckers are so whiny.

>>24658268
If you stand by your words, subscribe to FFF's Patreon and then we can talk.

Wondering if my blurb is shit or not

>>24658274
Didn’t you read my announcement? I will never open a Patreon.

>>24658274
What do those two things have to do with each other?

>>24658275
Post it and I'll let you know

>>24658288
Here you go, I've edited it before but I'm mulling it over.

https://pastebin.com/qbSM2dkv

>>24658335
Another anon here, looks okay to me, just clean up some grammar and punctuation. (Winter swept should be windswept).

>>24658335
Was repeating "Edge of the world" twice at the start intentional? Careful with that, some readers can't notice poetic loicense when parsing through blurbs. I could suggest hoisting the protagonist earlier for immediate engagement, something akin to:

[Start]

At the edge of the world, it's eat or be eaten. And Zucchini feasts.

Because Zucchini is a giant born with immense power and strength. There is nothing that breathes that he does not consider prey.


The edge of the world is a dangerous place, full of monsters, beasts, and snarling creatures.

Gigantic man-eating octopuses! Thirty-foot panthers which jealously guard winter swept peaks. Dragons, whose breath swallows nations!

Hardly anyone goes to such a place.

And yet, for Zucchini, the edge is like a paradise, a bounty with no end.

>>24658365
Good idea I'll implement it.
>>24658347
Thanks!

I guess I'll need to start buying ads now, because everything else is fine.

>>24658228
Four chapters so far, all of it to the end, and I like to think so

>>24658389
Okay, so you need, what, 30-40 more chapters to go in your backlog before you can even think of starting to follow the Precepts? Relax. You won't be ready before January anyway.

Keep in mind also these cabals are made up of people with at least one successful fiction under their belt already. They're not random nobodies or literally who's. Rather than getting mad about people abusing the RR system, focus on your writing.

I have something to ask, but I'll wait until we get a new thread.

I've got Iced Earth - Black Flag stuck in my head so I guess my novel's opening scene that showcases MC's prowess is a sick ass naval battle

>>24656801
Hey anon I'm still working on it so rest easy. Actually, I'm active developing both a yuri visual novel and that webnovel at once. But I'm putting extra effort into releasing the latter with as many chapters as possible for a foolproof launch in 2025 to increase the likehood of turning it into a long term project, so please bear with me as I steel my writing schedule in the meantime. You won't grieve the holdup
>any yuri recs
I tend to read more translated Japanese WNs and ao3 fanfics than proper Western WNs when it comes to Yuri so while I don't know if that's what you're looking for, feel free to use my search preset in Novelupdates
https://www.novelupdates.com/series-finder/?sf=1&org=496,497&gi=922&mgi=and&ge=168,3,479,480,3954&sort=sdate&order=desc

>>24656801 #
Hey anon I'm still working on it so rest easy. Actually, I'm active developing both a yuri visual novel and that webnovel at once. But I'm putting extra effort into releasing the latter with as many chapters as possible for a foolproof launch in 2025 to increase the likehood of turning it into a long term project, so please bear with me as I steel my writing schedule in the meantime. You won't grieve the holdup
>any yuri recs
I tend to read more translated Japanese WNs and than proper Western WNs when it comes to Yuri so while I don't know if that's what you're looking for, feel free to use my search preset in Novelupdates:
https://www.novelupdates.com/series-finder/?sf=1&org=496,497&gi=922&mgi=and&ge=168,3,479,480,3954&sort=sdate&order=desc

>>24658532
Oh you actually gotta copy the link text instead of simply clicking or it won't work due to 4chan redirects

>>24658488
>mfw I unleash full broadside

no cover artist?
no problem
just befriend an autistic colombian ai wizard on an underwater basketweaving meme site

>>24658570
wife

>>24658570
Thats really good

>>24658570
Leotard Girl Evolution

>>24658851
New bread

>>24658853
Did jannies delete the bread?

>>24658853
I'll make a new one then, just give me 5 minutes.
>>24658868
Anon used pic rel as the OP, probably rubbed some janny wrong. Broke the sanctity of the board or something.

>>24658868
Aborted stillborn for phoneposting a typo in title. Gonna try doing it properly

>>24658883
Oh was it this? Lol I was just making guesses fine I'll sit back and wait for a genius to come up with better op pic

>>24658887
How about this?

Done, have fun kids:
>>24658890
>>24658890
>>24658890