Thread 24706259

>spend a lifetime enriching my mind through classic literature
>cultivate an extensive and rich vocabulary
>when speaking to others they don't understand what I say and think I'm a tryhard fedora-tipper

How has reading negatively impacted your life?

>>24706259 (OP)
>my mind has been enriched but not enriched enough to understand the concept of an audience or how to succinctly express my ideas so they are simply, easily understood and accessible
mmhm

>>24706259 (OP)
>when speaking to others they don't understand what I say and think I'm a tryhard fedora-tipper
They're right. If you're not considering your audience and how to get them to understand what you're saying then you are only talking to hear yourself talk.

>>24706287
>my mind has been enriched but not enriched enough to understand the concept of an audience or how to succinctly express my ideas so they are simply, easily understood and accessible *sniffs*

>>24706317
Pure ideology

>>24706259 (OP)
>In this moment, I am enriched. Not because of any phony god's blessing. But because, I am englightened by my extensive and rich vocabulary

>>24706259 (OP)
There's no context in which vocabulary above the 8th grade level is appropriate nowadays. Drop any of it in a conversation and you'll get confusion or derision as "pretentious" depending on the company. Drop it in your writing and you'll be criticized as being "obfuscatory" if it's academic writing or "purple prose" if literary. For some reason, these attitudes are even more prominent among so-called people of letters.

>>24706259 (OP)
there is no better freedom than being underestimated all the time

if you are so cultured, you probably are able not to stand out amongst ignorats, who seem to be the people surrounding you. Looking more cultured within rednecks is only gonna get you bad looks

>>24706418
Vocabulary isn't what makes writing obfuscatory, at least not mainly, it's needlessly convoluted grammar and reasoning to explain even basic concepts, and bogging down your explanations with loads of unnecessary tangential information so the meat of what you're talking about is completely buried. You can accomplish obfuscation of ideas without a single 10 dollar word by simply using more semicolons than periods.

>>24706418
>For some reason, these attitudes are even more prominent among so-called people of letters.
People of substantial education are not impressed by rhetoric, but by ideas. Rhetoric is essentially showmanship. It can be impressive in its own way, but unless you are talking to a poet or another sort of professional writer nobody is going to appreciate your word choices. They're more interested in what you're trying to say with the words, not the words themselves.

>>24706259 (OP)
It's because you've not spent the ideal time studying ebonics.

>>24706438
It is frustrating to hear a person talk and not really follow what they're saying. If the speaker talks at length without any regard for whether his audience is following his words, it naturally makes him seem full of himself. An uneducated person might be too insecure to ask the educated speaker to explain himself more clearly, in simpler terms, so he simply keeps his mouth shut and disengages with the speaker, not wanting to interact with him lest his ignorance be put on display. They're no longer interested in what the educated person has to say, because he did not bother to say it in a way he could understand. He feels excluded from the discourse, and likely feels some amount of resentment over it.

Uneducated people are no less proud for lacking education, and trampling a person's ego rarely endears them to you.

>>24706259 (OP)
It brought me to /lit/

Move to a better part of town. Don't attempt literary discourse at a football match.

>>24706259 (OP)
but did you say anything worth understanding?

tut tut! quite the contrary my dear troon

>>24706259 (OP)
>How has reading negatively impacted your life?
Classical literature basically turned me into a chud. Before I was a somewhat well adjusted failed normie, and although I'm still extremely socialable and have sex, my views have grown pretty extreme and have pushed people away.. I try to explain that these views are pretty normal amongst classical literature but they won't listen.

that's what you get for being a pendant

>>24707165
what is this doggy doing driving a car? does he have a loicense?

>>24707219
They don't give licenses to dogs, ergo he does not require one. Checkmate, government.

>>24706259 (OP)
Having a rich vocabulary is based, though. It should result in a quick wit because you understand the meanings of words enough to play with them. It also lets you encode your language so normalfags literally can't understand you. Finally, it objectively makes you a stronger and more compelling writer. When so much of modern life is conveyed through writing, knowing a good vocabulary matters.

>be me
>raised in house filled with books
>start reading them
>why not?
>become avid reader
>read most of the /lit/ top 100 before I finish highschool
>plus a whole lot more
>dedicate my life to literature
>get degrees
>get job
>life starts to settle down
>parents no longer have things like school and new job to ask me about
>they are retired and don't do anything
>so not much to talk about
>so start trying to talk literature with them
>realize they filled the house with books because it seemed a good environment to raise their kid in
>because books mean smart
>realize we have nothing in common
>pretty much alien to each other
>endure painfully drawn out monthly phone calls with them
>they can't talk about anything but politics and tv shows
>start watching tv shows and following their politics so we can have something to talk about
>realize they can't actually talk about tv shows or politics
>just say that like or dislike shows and pat themselves on the back for pointing out that the other side is evil and everything wrong with country
>so I start throwing them a bone and listen to them repeat party line for a few hours every month
>start realizing that all my writing has become informed by the monthly phone calls
>pretty much says they are everything wrong with the country
>or that is how they would read it
>but not saying that at all
>so can't publish anything I write
>because that is the one thing they will read
>and they figure out how to make anything I write about to be about them
>even when it has nothing to do with them
>I am still shitting on them
>because I prefer books to sitcoms
>which means I think I am better than they are
>because they think people who read are smarter than they are
>its why they filled the house with books for me to read
>they wanted me smarter than they are
>now they punish me for it
>fml

>>24706259 (OP)
Worse yet: you use simpler wording when talking to normies and it ends up sounding puerile and they think you're an idiot.

>>24707287
That just means your ideas are puerile and you were dressing them up to disguise the fact.

>>24706259 (OP)
>How has reading negatively impacted your life?
My mind has a private language constructed against texts very few other people have read. It means I have difficulty explaining things the first time, because I'm busy having a highly compressed conversation with myself on a normal basis. This is mainly a problem when people don't realise I can't help it and think I'm trying to show them up, rather, than facing a horrific communication problem.

>>24707269
Feels like you're needlessly torturing yourself. My folks are much the same with a book environment despite not being readers or well-educated. They're super proud and always praise my ability to articulate in ways they wish they could. From what you've written communication is more the problem, you could or should try to teach them how to express themselves better. Give them a quick chat on what goes into their shows or the further back historical basis of a political topic. In the alternative, consider whether your folks might be ashamed of their lack of education. Better yet find a new hobby you as a family can get into their bodies and wallets willing, given they're retired. Don't be a fag about your parents anon most kids aren't so lucky.

>>24706450
no one does that, and nowadays obfuscation is much more common by virtue of an attempted (and actually very pretentious) terseness

>>24706457
quintessentially midwit distinction

>>24707256
vocabulary in itself isn't enough

>>24707291
you're an autist; normal people don't communicate in terms of "ideas," just vibes

I often say "I've not" instead of "I haven't." What impression does that give off?

>>24707404
I use both, the latter when I want to emphasise that I've not

>>24706287
>>24706317
Everyday people do NOT give a shit about your ideas no matter how you express them.

>>24707349
Feels like you don't know what greentexts are, they are not literal, and can't imagine a life different from your own. Not the best comprehension either. My parents have no issues with expressing themselves and are reasonably educated, both went to college and got degrees. They just have nothing in their lives and expect to live vicariously through my life, but there is little in my life which interests them. A monthly phone call with them is far from torture, just could be better if they would just do something other than watch tv.

>>24707291
You're being contrary for the sake of it which, ironically, is puerile.

>>24707269
Don't you have friends

>>24707427
My dad has spent his whole life watching TV as his main hobby. When he was not working he was watching TV. I suppose before the internet that was about all there was to do. Even at 85 now he just sits for 14 hours a day watching TV in the same recliner, only getting up to get food or use the toilet. It's kind of sad that's how his life turned out, but I'm not one to talk, wasting mine on the 4chans.

>>24706418
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beuKfLn8a6c

>>24707571
Yeah mate, stop being a fucken shit cunt. Seppos using postru can't help themselves in creating technical terms out of descriptive allusion.

>>24707533
My parents just sort of gave up when they retired. They never had hobbies in the sense most people use the word, they just did things like make furniture, fix stuff, make clothes, and the like because it was cheaper than the alternatives and something they were raised doing. But dad did a very good job on his retirement plan and when they retired they realized they don't need to do any of those things, they have more money than they will possibly spend, most of what they draw from retirement just goes into savings. Now they watch TV. They try out having hobbies every so often but they never last longer than a few months and it is back to the TV.

>>24707533
Many boomers are like this unfortunately.

>>24707714
Zoomers just watch streamers, what's the difference

>>24707269
In some ways they made a sacrifice for you, by making you unrelatable to them because they thought it would improve you. You can do the same thing they did for your kids and then you and your kids will be able to have these discussions. They took the hardest step in moving your family line from unread to well read.
Part of that is being your own person though. You kind of kill their sacrifice by keeping yourself tethered to their ideas rather than making the most of what they gave you even if it temporarily upsets them. Publish the story.
Either that or you're massively off base and think you're superior when really you just aren't good at communicating with them and understanding what they're actually saying, what's driving their ideas, why they won't engage with you in depth about those ideas. It's really hard to say having only heard your perspective, and it would only be worse for you to have an incorrect perspective inflated and reinforced by strangers on the internet agreeing with you because you write in a way that glosses over that. That part you need to really critically examine for yourself.

>>24707297
What was the word, most recently?

>>24707404
It makes absolutely no difference to almost every person. What impression do you think it might give off?

>>24707533
its important to watch the news and stay ontop of current events so you know what is going on in the world

>>24707424
>Everyday people are sheep and i am smart
>but not smart enough to entice the sheep (with my niche retarded interests)
hrm

>>24707256
>It also lets you encode your language so normalfags literally can't understand you.
based. i like doing this shit. i think i just come across like a mix between katawa shoujo's rin and a worthless autist.
playing with words is very amusing to me.

>>24706259 (OP)
>How has reading negatively impacted your life?
i don't give a single fuck. i'm too busy reaping the benefits. i've always been alienated and had deep issues regarding connecting with others, so i won't cry about that.
reading is like working out for me. just makes everything better.

>>24707427
maybe work on your writing to actually allude to this retcon of your parents' education in the midst if your pity party, now backpedaling on torture, more apt a Holden Caulenfield character which obviously rang through your own words on review did the parents also force you to become an unreliable narrator

I got made fun of for using the word convivial at a party. I didn't think it was that unique of a word.

>>24709379
your fault for going to a party with normalfags

>>24707297
Gee, are you me? I'm grateful I'm no longer employed where I once worked. I cannot stress how insufferable it was to be in an office with a 90/10 female to male split. Most were in their mid 20's, usually heavily tattooed and pierced already, though conversations typically revolved around the following:

>Disney
>Netflix
>Current popsinger
>Drinking to excess
>Sex
>Drag queens
>Other women

Every woman in the vicinity of my desk pretended to have some variety of condition (autism, bipolar, dyslexia, dysmorphia, OCD), but were ostensibly roasties trying to oneup eachother on the social hierarchy by pretending to be more retarded or something (I still struggle to understand it myself). If a conversation didn't include a single utterance of "like", "literally" or "fuck" in the form of a filler word, it wasn't a conversation uttered by those women. I sincerely worry for zoomers if this is what their women are like.

>>24707297
recently it was "discourse"

>>24709909
did you at least get laid?

>>24709379

During my stint at a Wal-Mart as a very young man I once corrected a co-worker that her observation was not "ironic", but rather "apropos", to which she immediately replied "Get a load of Joe College over here!". Her response was warranted, really.

On another occasion, a manager came up to me and asked if I wanted to go full time (I was working two shitty jobs at the time, they were aware of this, and they seemed to like me for the basic reasons that any manager likes an employee: shows up on time, is helpful, doesn't steal). I replied that I wanted to maintain the status quo. She replied, without missing a beat: "Status Quo? What's that?" It really took me back, honestly. My teenager instinct was to give some slightly snarky reply, but I understood the interaction, and I found it in myself to grow up and be polite: "I'd like to keep things the way they are for right now." She replied, "Oh, okay!", and that was it. I really remember that interaction as me growing up and getting over my own stupidity, becoming fully adult in a small way.

We got on just fine but I don't know how she made it to 50 or so without ever once coming across that phrase.

>>24709909
>get useless pencil pushing job
>surprised it's just daycare for women

>>24708865
>>24709373
Why are people here so stupid these days and can't into greentext?

>>24710013
Bedding roasties is hardly a worthwhile endeavour. When your only options are either a hamplanet or a woman that would make a tattooed lady of the 20th century seem prudish, I would rather abstain from playing the game at all.

>>24706259 (OP)
>>when speaking to others they don't understand what I say and think I'm a tryhard fedora-tipper
I guess they are more intuitive than educated.

>>24710071
Going to try this, think I am getting the hang of greentext ɓut not sure.

The general crux is that anon (You?) keeps trying to have some sort of adult relationship with his parents but they resist, they rant about pol because they want him to be the 5yo who thought they had all the answers? They can only see him as a reflection of themselves and this is where the publishing bit comes in? They look in the mirror and can't understand what they see, so can't brag about son to friends because friends may understand the reflection? So keep treating son like a 5yo trying to correct the behavior?

Don't think I quite have it but think I am going in the right direction, the repeated element of his trying is what we interpret the rest through.

>>24710071
What do you think I have misunderstood about greentext? You seem to think it is for something different than what most people expect.
You should explain your points rather than just calling people stupid.

>>24706259 (OP)
>speaking to others

>>24708869
>its important to watch the news and stay ontop of current events so you know what is going on in the world

dis guy thinks the purpose of the "news" is to inform. ngmi

>>24709909
>pretended to have some variety of condition (autism, bipolar, dyslexia, dysmorphia, OCD)
Same thing at my work. Everyone except the 41 year old married woman has self-diagnosed as autistic, ADHD, or something else.

>>24710156
Almost there, the subtext has a single bit of subtext which ties it all together and you touch on it a bit but not quite. You got the general gist and you will probably be able to pull it together.
>>24710183
>i'm not stupid, just a plotfag and a newfag who never learned the culture
Fair enough, and there you have the core of what a greentext is, that is still a quote but a quote of your subtext instead of what you literally said. Greentexts are the subtext, not what was said and they grew out of that simple quoting of subtext. The long form is just quoting your own subtext instead of another anon and the literal is generally made generic, made into something many on the board would have dealt with.

>>24710880
Yeah, so I read your greentext that way. If you fit in that generalised case then my response applies to you, and to anyone else you think it might apply to. How did you interpret my response as something different?
Your parents should have given you even more books because you're still retarded.

>>24710371
You think someone who spends his time on 4chan trusts the news?

>>24711027
Kek.

>>24710917
Do foxes even eat grapes? They're kinda like dogs and dogs shouldn't eat grapes.

>>24706259 (OP)
If you don't find speaking to normalniggers boring and dull, you clearly haven't read enough.

Dumbing down your speech is easy. I've been doing it since I was a kid. The danger is obviously that it makes people think you're stupider than you are. If you want to manipulate people you can maybe use that to your advantage otherwise it's a downside. You kinda just have to pick your poison.

>>24711027
nta, but learn subtext.

>>24707269
are...are you just describing /lit/?

>>24711778
Wild animals usually eat whatever they can scavenge. I've seen dogs eating apples and peaches off the ground.

>>24713108
Fallen fruit is different, 99% chance they were well fermented, the 1% remainder covering dogs who are just really really hungry. If you pay attention to when they show up you will probably notice that smell of rotting (really fermenting) fruit, our furry friends.like to catch a buzz just like everyone else. Deer especially like getting drunk (and stoned), geese as well.

>>24711027
You gave me very direct and specific advice that does not leave room for interpretation and applies directly to my greentext literal, not the subtext. You really have no understanding of subtext, do you.
>>24713023
Just the anons old enough/mature enough to realize that they will not be adults until they force the issue with their parents, or their parents forces the issue with them, or life forces the issue, it is part of life and I have never met anyone who it did not apply too. Part of that greentext was lifted from a nightmarish daydream that used to start playing in my head everytime I sat down to write.

>>24706259 (OP)
>think I'm a tryhard fedora-tipper
Because you are

>>24706259 (OP)
So smart and cultured, yet still too stupid and naive to grasp the very simple principle of 'know your audience.'

Normies are tools for me to practice speaking and recollecting of things I've read.

similar to me, i am too far removed from my peers. I grew up very lonely so all i did was consume opiates and art in my formative late teenage years. Beside my strange vocabulary and behaviours, my taste in movies, literature and music is too excentric so i cant use it to connect with people. I am very snobbish, so i try to conceal the truth when people ask me about stuff i like, because to them my earnest answers are seen as bragging. And if some people touch topics i like, i start to open up and sperg out, only to realize that they just have surface level off this stuff did only some name dropping to impress the people around them. I think we need to get out of our isolation and mingle with normal well adjusted people. I feel like one of these chimpanzees that have been locked in all alone in some tiny space and get thrown into some nature reserve-enclosure with other chimps and they have no idea how to interact with the newcomer who just hides in the corner all the time

>>24711778
>>24713108
I've seen dogs eating tomatoes

>>24706418
sheeeesh fr fr

What else have yall seen dogs eat?

>>24706259 (OP)
One time I used the word "niche" while talking to my mom and she was just immediately lost. If you're out here using real obscure shit its over. Most people aren't going to try and parse what you're saying from context clues, they're just going to write you off as a weird asshole.

>>24706259 (OP)
It is like knowledge is our cross. The more versed you get in some topic, even when you are just in well known stuff, the more you get away from the average people nowadays. This happens because of a general decadence of the intellect, so as long people worship the vanalities which are selled for them, we will keep suffering the pain of not finding souls like our owns', and also this is the reason of why there are some that aren't guilty for their stupidity, as far as they don't actually think over their own being or actions, in a way pretty similar to animals.

>>24714850
Tomatoes are pretty good. I don't blame them.

>>24714884
https://youtu.be/l99Ek4YtTuw?si=82yU38UKNtQfPsbY

>>24714884
They love deer shit for some reason.

>>24715308
They love eating cat shit right out of the litter box, too, granules and all.

>>24707404
Sometimes you have to purposely use grammatically incorrect phrasing. If people (at least in the US) suspect that you're "educated" it's perceived as pretentious and faggy.

Not joking, I suspect I lost out on a job opportunity because I used the esoteric and cryptic term "amicable". She, in a senior leadership position, did not know what that word meant. This was a proud "woman-owned company" so I guess it's my fault for not reading the room.

>>24706259 (OP)
Yah, I always sound like a weirdo after I go on a Dickens or Wodehouse binge.

>>24711890
I've been doing that for a while. I essentially pretend to be Columbo when at work or in society. It actually works fairly well.

>>24706259 (OP)
>when speaking to others they don't understand what I say and think I'm a tryhard fedora-tipper
You're hanging around the wrong people.

>>24707269
>read most of the /lit/ top 100 before I finish highschool
Children shouldn't be allowed on this site.

>>24707404
>What impression does that give off?
You care too much about what other people think. Fix that.

>>24706259 (OP)
If intellectualism were encouraged and nurtured by tptb that wouldn't be an issue. They want you to feel alienated and isolated

>>24709265
>so retarded you just want to live your life normally socializing with peers instead of having to constantly lie and manipulate artifically dumbed-down people en masse
shalom

>>24706418
>Drop any of it in a conversation and you'll get confusion or derision as "pretentious" depending on the company
Irrelevant point because accusations of "pretentiousness" are almost always meaningless and arbitrary, and the people who do such things are not worth your time or energy. Unless the person is correcting a misuse of a word, the accusation of "pretentious" should never exit an educated person's mouth

>>24716109
Neither /lit/ or 4chan existed when I read those books. I know this is a very difficult and abstract concept for you, but the world did exist before 4chan.

it's called revealing your powerlevel and it's a universal basket weaving workshop experience. it's because you're autistic, not smart. the smarter ones i come across are more reserved with their language and are typically waiting for the signal to use more of their vocabulary and uncommon phrasings once they figure out you get what they're saying, or are at least patient enough to listen. if what op was saying were true then professors should all be pompous asses. the majority of them, despite their learning, instead work at the level of their students' understanding. you simply lack the social cues to figure that out intuitively, or the basic intelligence to grasp that your own attempts at communication are hindered by a naive narcissism that can only take itself as its own measure for other people.

you probably already came across intelligent people who instead made the right decision to ignore you for being insufferably autistic.

>>24718097
It would help if the OP gave a few examples of real life interactions they're had. Some people are so uneducated, words like "juxtaposition" and "inquiry" are "big words".

>>24718244
*they've had

>>24718244
he won't because it would out him and he'd have to give up his inflated sense of self in order to actually learn something. he'd have my sympathies though if he were a unifag who read the entire coursework ahead of time and found himself alienated by how far ahead he was from his peers. it's too much to ask the average person to speak the language of your idiosyncrasies, but it is unfair to be ostracized in precisely those spaces where a degree of sophistication in language is expected, spaces op likely is not in.

>>24718333
Nice trips. With that being said, I'll be charitable and wait for OP to explain himself, but you make good points. The ultimate point of communication is to clarify and not mystify ideas

one time I was using a word in business correspondence and my lady boss said it wasn't a real word and sounded fruity.

I can't even remember what it was, but I brought in a dictionary to show her it was a real word and she laughed at me because the dictionary was from the 1920s.

I had sex with her the following year though.

>>24718606
kinda based having had sex in 1921
still, I call bullshit because back then there were no women in business leadership positions

>>24718618
You've upset me

>>24706418
>Drop any of it in a conversation and you'll get confusion or derision as "pretentious" depending on the company
I'll say it anyway and then tell niggers to tongue my anus. This is the way forward.