Thread 24709839

Reverse Isekai Edition

Stubbed >>24704859

>What is /wng/ — Web Novel General?
A general for readers and authors involved or interested in the growing phenomenon of 'web novels', serialized English fiction posted to websites such as: Royal Road, Webnovel, Scribblehub, Wattpad, Archive of Our Own, Spacebattles, HFY, various personal author websites, and more

>Why read web novels?
Not for prose or tight editing or deep themes, frankly. As a whole, web novels are infamous for content sprawl and pacing issues. If you enjoy having millions of words to sink your teeth into to get to know the world and characters, though, you may be interested. Keeping up with other readers on a weekly basis to discuss the story's events unfolding is another perk, in the same way discussing an ongoing TV show might be.

>Why write web novels?
Ease of access & potential for Patreon earnings. Many successful authors gain an audience on their website of choice and funnel their readers into a Patreon. See graphtreon.com/top-patreon-creators/writing for an idea of what some are earning.
Also, once an author has earned a fanbase, transitioning into an Amazon self-publishing career is several orders of magnitude easier than starting 'dry'.

>Advice for Noobs!

##READ THE FOLLOWING BEFORE ASKING FOR HELP##

Running your story like the business it is:
www.royalroad.com/forums/thread/116847

On writing web serials:
alexanderwales.com/how-to-write-a-web-serial/

Sanderson's Writing Lectures 2025:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEUh_y1IFZY&list=PLSH_xM-KC3ZvzkfVo_Dls0B5GiE2oMcLY

Recommended web novels
rentry.co/d2yvczro

Anon's guide to success
rentry.co/RRBasicGuide

FAQ
rentry.co/pytefpxn

I made my first ad :) click it if you see it!

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/128737

>>24709882
Cute!

>>24709839 (OP)
Super suckdick

Just submitted the e-book and physical version of my story to Amazon. Very excited to be able to hold my story in my hands

>>24709882
Don't think I can win a man vs truck match, but cute harpy.
>>24709912
Hell yeah! Must be nice to hold your own book in your hands.

Can any of you explain why webnovels are consistently trash?

>>24709945
a) 80% of everything is trash
b) no barrier to entry
c) high-output serial format

>>24709953
>a) 80% of everything is trash
1.) This is a despicably jaded view and I vehemently disagree
2.) 100% of webnovels are trash

>>24709961
list 100% of the webnovels that you have read

>>24709882
This is the kind of AI slop that gets a CTR of 3.19% good job anon

>>24709966
You can tell by the titles
Point me to one webnovel with a title that isn't trash

>>24709973
/wg/cuck and not reading

name a more iconic duo

>>24709961
I am not an editor, but I have SEEN an editor's slush pile. 80% of everything is trash.

You might imagine trash, perhaps a slop novel or your own worst work, but that's not how bad it gets, not even close.

>>24709945
Because the audience for those genuinely like to coonsome garbage on a regular basis

>>24709977
I read books. Ever heard of them?

>>24709978
>80% of Shakphere is trash
>80% of Tolkien is trash
>80% of The Holy Bible is trash
Shameful idea!

>>24709985
A lot more than 80% of Tolkien and the bible

>>24709988
If only anyone cared what a webnovel pleb thinks about the bible

the /wg/kek is so proud of being illiterate

>>24709999
I'd rather be illiterate than exclusively or primarily a webnovel reader

>>24709985
You don't understand
I don't mean that 80% of any given work is trash.
I mean that out of 100 works, 80 of them are trash.

>>24710003
>I'd rather be
you already are

>>24709987
Same reason capeshit and pokemon sells a ton
People like garbage, deal with it

>>24710008
>people

>>24709996
I didn‘t even check what thread I was in

So when do I start my own wordpress site?

>>24709839 (OP)
I finally read a few chapters of Cradle
I was not impressed at all to be honest
Its better written than the regular slop but the power system doesn't tingle my autism the same way china's brand of cultivation or its variants does

I am a machine that turns 100,000 words into 9 followers.

>>24710038
yeah but cradle has human sounding dialogue and tolerable character interactions because it wasn't written by a shitty chinese author and then translated into prose that genuinely needs a gore warning

>>24710059
>yeah but cradle has human sounding dialogue and tolerable character interactions
Eh, i wasn't a big fan of the honor olympics they had going at the start, it wasn't bad, but i've seen i before

>>24710078
well again it's not that cradle has great ideas or plot, it's that it has prose and dialogue that doesn't make my eyes bleed and the characters feel authentic

>>24709945
Your average consumer is a spiritual pig. They want to eat from a trough.

>>24709999
Unironically baffling how outside of /wng/ nobody can fucking read.

>>24710038
The first volume of Cradle is widely known to be the weakest book in the series.

>>24710059
>cradle
>tolerable characters

I hated nearly every character and wanted the main character to just abandon his shitty world to its fate.

>>24709839 (OP)
Has anyone done a middle eastern style fantasy web novel yet?. I've been thinking of doing a cultivation style story with a more near eastern or Mediterranean flavor

>>24710186
"Cultist of Cerebon" is the closest i can think of

>>24710197
>>24710186
And by "closest" he means "they're in a desert" with desert myths.

>>24710038
I only read the start. It felt like the most boring cultivation novel I've ever seen. If MC had just fucked off from the village early on then I would've kept reading, but him having to fight a 12 year old was just retarded.

>>24710203
They mentioned sultans and shit, that's middle eastern, right?

you guys drop shit for the funniest most inconsequential reasons

way to go. lets trash another thread with this nonsensical back and forth pointless bullshit.

>>24710243
They're literally talking about web novels, lmfao

you ever notice how in most KR game isekai wns the MC has to deal with patience killing plots, serpentine schemers, uncaring or actively malicious parents, etc. and does nothing about them because he is driven by his autistic drive to achieve the “perfect run”?

oftentimes this involves the MC getting inserted as either a third rate villain or the number 1 trash of said game within the conceit of the WN.

if this were a Chinese WN the MC would’ve become a parricide/set his own family up, including the children and infants, to be eaten alive by a bunch of monsters then moved on to obtain a harem. maybe the appeal of CN WNs might be found in the mass murder the MC usually gets up to.

The more I look into this the more unfeasible it seems. A RR story needs hundreds of chapters and millions of words, but the most I’d even written is 70 chapters before being completely deflated and don’t want to continue.
I suppose I could stretch what would normally be one chapter into five by not editing down ever, but I’d still need a premise that could keep going indefinitely. So far my ideas are… eh.

A disillusioned superhero’s sidekick has left his old life behind. But his dream of living a normal life is shattered after he accidentally saves a super-villainess’s life. Now he must contend with her constant attempts to recruit him into her doomsday cult. At the same time, news of his old partner’s disappearance threatens to drag him back into the world of capes and spandex. But unlike before, he is now a full-grown man—and superpowered women who parade around half-naked aren’t exactly known for their chastity.

After a century of secluded cultivation, a man emerges into a martial world twisted beyond recognition. Corrupted Yang burns male cultivators from the inside out and transforms female cultivators into hulking beasts that are slaves to their base desires. What happened, and how is he the only man left untouched by this madness? Before he can find the answers, he must first survive his once-cute Junior Sister and his once-serene Master, who now look at him with a predatory glint in their eyes.

Men are from Mars, women are from Venus. After Earth died, humanity fractured along its oldest fault line: sex. Men claimed New Mars, a red world forged in blood and ingenuity. While women disappeared into New Venus, a planet shrouded in fog and mystery. For three hundred years, men lived in a paradise of reason, simulated warfare, and android waifus. But when an SOS comes from across the stars, a scout unit must venture to the planet of the women, where three powerful psionic Witch Queens compete for supremacy and their gene-spliced Amazonian armies oppress the people under their sandaled feet.

>I’m not reading that wall of text.
I know. I’m just ranting and getting used to stretching the fuck out of everything I write.

>>24710325
i would read the second one

>>24710325
Second one could do well on webnovel.com (don't) or scribblehub.

>>24710004
NTA but Tolkien and the Bible aren't single works. A reminder that the bible is an anthology of many books. But yes 80% of Tolkien's works and 80% of the bible are trash. For Tolkien's case even if you say the published works aren't trash, he didn't publish every work he created.

>>24710140
Are you one of those people who genuinely argue that a game doesn't get good until after the first 10 hours?

>>24710388
>But yes 80% of Tolkien's works and 80% of the bible are trash.
No? Are you that same /wg/ retard who cannot read?

>>24710394
Coming from someone who didn't read the next sentence of my post.
Have you actually read the bible cover to cover?

>>24710396
>who didn't read the next sentence of my post
I did and it was too retarded for me to comment on; considering 80% of works are trash is referring to stuff that is actually published.
>Have you actually read the bible cover to cover?
Yes? Twice?

bible is boring trash

>>24710399
Well, yes. Even then 80% of Tolkien's works are trash. 80% of RL Stine's works are trash, 80% of Stephen King's works are trash, 80% of JK Rowling's works are trash, 80% of GRR Martin's works are trash, and yes even 80% of my works are trash.

Okay so since we're years and years into the time loop restart meta similar to multi-route mystery visual novels, where is the webnovel that ever17s me and fucks my mind apart?

>>24710409
>Even then 80% of Tolkien's works are trash.
No. Tolkien is a fine author and the vast majority of his works ranges from good to fine.

>80% of Stephen King's works are trash
Vast majority of them are just alright. Nothing amazing, but he's popular for a reason.

>80% of JK Rowling's works are trash
Fine child fiction. Harry potter dominates globally for a reason, though.

>80% of GRR Martin's works are trash
Good to fine. Asoiaf is built off a repertoire of "fine works."

>and yes even 80% of my works are trash.
You are probably better than you think you are. Especially if you've published.

>got to the sex chapters in Main Heroines is trying to kill me
Holy fuck the writing is so cringe i almost couldnt read it...but it's also really hot for some reason...? how do i learn this power...?

>>24710414
NTA but this still doesn't disagree with the idea that 80% of all works are trash.

Obviously a good author can get a much better ratio, the point is that out of the undifferentiated mass of ALL works, 80% are trash. Competent authors make up a small minority.

>>24710449
Kill the part in you that cringes. Embrace your edgy 13 year old self. He is right about everything.

I don't care about prose

>>24710411
Time Loops and Restarts are opposite premises. The first is about an MC that gradually becomes OP due to countless failures. The other is give a reason why the MC is OP right from the start and any story tension comes from the butterfly effect of all the changes they make. None of them will fuck with your mind, what makes any of those series good is their execution.

>>24710452
>this still doesn't disagree with the idea that 80% of all works are trash.
I agree that 80% of all published works are trash, lol.

I just find it unbelievable how some people are bending over backwards to justify some retard not understanding 80% of all works overall are trash and thinking the stat applied per author.

>>24710312
The appeal of CN WNs comes from the protagonist bring proactive and the villains getting their come-uppance. That's it.

It might seem trivial, but most other stories I've read don't do that. The payoffs are meager, skipped over or even taken away from the MC.

Is there any reason why the KR/CN/JP webnovel scene is so much better than western webnovel scene? Is it really just culture/language thing?

>>24710502
>>24710508
dcc mogs

>>24710508
Because they're willing to take risks. They will include content in it that makes western websites and readers cringe, but sometimes that content hits on something cool.
Western web novels have all their edges sanded off and seem boring because of it. I think it happens, because all the people that would be writing edgy shit are writing on smut or fan fiction websites instead.

>>24710461
same, it doesn't need to be good, just good enough

>>24710461
no one does

>>24710512
DCC is reddit slop

>>24710508
Partly cultural and partly because they had widely popular platforms equivalent to RR long before the West did.

>>24710508
because only the good ones get translated

>>24710540
and?

>>24710325
Son, why are you claiming you want to write for RR and then presenting three porny ideas, when RR does not allow pornography?

>>24710558
>RR does not allow pornography
wrong

>>24710508
Because the portion of them you see is already a minute fraction of their total output. Even with an MTL "translation" that still means someone somewhere decided to pick it up.

I guarantee you there's an equivalent forum in Chinese where some dude is trying to shill his dogshit story named "FFF-class Unlucky Young Master" and wondering why it's not catching on before returning to hammering out a chapter where the MC Yuan Fang slaughters another clan wholesale (incl. dogs & cats).

>>24710540
and yet

>>24710508
This mogs all of them.

>>24710546
The west did have popular platforms though, but they were mostly for smut and fan fiction.

>>24709985
You haven't read a book since middle school

>>24710558
Most webnovels are wish-fulfillment fantasies. Since I’m not autistic enough to care about magic systems or stats (may it be lit or vidya), I figure a guy going around collecting harem members like pokemons should be good enough. One girl, one arc.
>Boy enters a new map
>Boy meets girl
>Girl is a stuck-up bitch trapped in a bad situation
>Boy saves girl before riding off into the sunset
>Girl falls in love and chases after boy
>Rinse and repeat while dangling the promise of romance over the reader’s nose for five hundred chapters, xianxia style.
It should work… Now, if only I could pin down the premise…
I’ll dump more ideas here later just to test the waters. It’s not like you guys are discussing anything awfully important anyway.

>>24710641
It's not often I comment on others ideas, but this is just so incredibly boring and uninteresting I just had to. Even Chatgpt could come up with a better idea.

>>24709961
At least 90% of ice cream is at least edible

>>24710115
Unironically baffling how some chronically online faggot in these threads claims to have read everything under the sun from Shakespeare to Scott and RR's whole catalogue and SH on top of that, but never has anything to say about any of it except "NO U"

>>24710653
I doubt ChatGPT allows risque content. Also, I wouldn’t know how people respond to my idea without putting it out there. And “out there” might as well be here, since you guys have zero filter.

>>24709839 (OP)
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST.
/lit/ has a webnovel general, oh how the mighty have fallen.

If the webnovel has a female protag, I'm not gonna bother reading it.

>>24710702
you've been in these threads for months, mr femc hater, don't act like you just found out about them.

>>24710710
>mr femc hater
there are multiple of us

>>24710710
I haven't been on /lit/ in ages.

>>24710710
>>24710711
I don't hate feMC, but I'm not going to read them. They typically suck.

>>24710702
This, but male protags.

>>24710724
I have a female MC for the 1st book, and two male party members.
The 2nd book has one male "main character", one female, and two male party members (one of them non-human).
The 3rd book has a male MC, a male, and a "female" party member (in quotes because she technically a genderless golem).
The 4th book has a female MC, male party member leader, and a few other crew members that frequently reoccur.
All of the books are standalone and can be read in any order.
>Also, none of these books are complete.

>>24710724
how would you know

you haven't read shit

>>24710750
Typical tranny.

>>24710724
Agreed but this is why I write feMCs. I want some that don't suck

i write girl because i like girl

I write men in pursuit of the Dao because I am a man in pursuit of the Dao.

>>24710806
good morning saar

>>24710712
how about we play a little game:
you tell us what boards you frequent
we bully you

>>24710923
NTA but /a/, /b/, /c/, /d/, /e/, /f/, /g/, /gif/, /h/, /hr/, /k/, /m/, /o/, /p/, /r/, /s/, /t/, /u/, /v/, /vg/, /vm/, /vmg/, /vr/, /vrpg/, /vst/, /w/, /wg/i/, /ic/r9k/, /s4s/, /vip/cm/, /hm/, /lgbt/, /y/3/, /aco/, /adv/, /an/, /bant/, /biz/, /cgl/, /ck/, /co/, /diy/, /fa/, /fit/, /gd/, /hc/, /his/, /int/, /jp/, /lit/, /mlp/, /mu/, /n/, /news/, /out/, /po/, /pol/, /pw/, /qst/, /sci/, /soc/, /sp/, /tg/, /toy/, /trv/, /tv/, /vp/, /vt/, /wsg/, /wsr/, /x/, and /xs/

I wanted to write a simple Isekai story as my first one. MC gets into a new world, goes into dungeons, romances some women. Simple. But it kept getting more complex as I thought of plot and how to hook a reader.

Now I'm thinking of pausing that and writing a VRMMO story instead. The hook is obviously just the VRMMO. Maybe the players are stuck in the game or whatever, but it's simple! Get quests, kill monsters, level up, go into dungeons, level up some more.

Is this a bad idea?

I have like 20,000 hours spent on playing MMOs so I'll at least know what they're like.

>>24710964
>Is this a bad idea?
I'd ask you what do you think you have to add to this genre that the 9 billion other authors before you haven't already done. But you'd answer "nothing, I just want to do it!" which renders this question and your whole post completely meaningless. So all I can really say is, do whatever you want man

>>24710899
>Jeets are straighter than /lit/
Grim. Very grim.

>>24710973
Well, unlike most of the authors of the genre, I've actually played MMOs.

I've read a few VRMMO stories before, but I've never actually found one with a pure mage MC where the VRMMO worked like an actual game. There are never any skill builds involved or monster AI abuse or playing the market or many of the other things that are a staple in actual MMOs.

Ironically the strongest MMO feel I've got was from a smut novel.

>>24710964
>Is this a bad idea?
yes. most people don't like mmos.

>>24711006
What if all the female characters wear bikini armor?

>>24710991
Unlike most of the authors of the genre, I've actually designed MMOs.

I don't write vrmmo litrpg stories, because nobody fucking reads them.

Is this good writing?

>>24711120
What's the context here? Is he about to become a korean idol now? If not then don't vent so much, keep it short

>>24711123
Just so we are clear, im a starting writer myself, my advice is worthless, im just saying what i think

>Wei Shi Lindon
peak whiteboi mangaka bullshit

>>24711120
opinions are not substitutes for experience

>>24711120
This looks generated by an LLM so no.

>>24710465
But surely after all this time there has to be some well-executed story with a twist of involving the Reader in some metaplotfuckery. Although admittedly at this point the type of stories I am looking for spoil themselves if I know something similar may happen. It's like a genre shift not even specific to literature; I find the idea fascinating but knowing about it beforehand is obviously a spoiler.
Nobody cares so I will blog about ever17 for those unfamiliar: it was a visual novel from Japan around the early 2000s and involves four character routes (where you spend a lot of time with and get to know a specific character) then a final True route/ending. There exists a concept known as a "multi-route mystery" which essentially explains itself where decisions you make lead down different paths, and ever17 involves an accident at an underground water park through the viewpoint of a male student. One of the big twists is that although it appears the four main routes take place during the same time, there is actually a wait for it 17 year difference between half of the four main routes (so two take place during 20xx and the other two take place during 20yy).
Another big twist is that during the final route, your viewpoint is somebody completely new but the most bricks-shitting reveal pertains to the overall main plot in which the characters are repeating the events of the accident in the future in order to summon an nth dimensional entity to observe a different outcome and save everybody. And guess who that entity is? YOU
I don't dabble much in timeloop/restart/etc -lit but I always compare it to these. If you know you know. Even among normal scifi/fant lit I haven't found really anything like it.

>>24711108
>because nobody fucking reads them.
Yeah, but nobody would read my first story anyway, so nothing would change.

>>24711126
Not a webnovel.

>>24711150
Ever17 isn't somehow unique there, almost all visual novels involve a big twist of some sort. You could even say it's part of the medium. But many of them rely on interactivity, which is obviously missing from web novels. For most amateur authors, just writing a coherent storyline where A is followed by B and logically concludes in C is too much asked.

>>24711150
Unfortunately most WN authors are zoomers, so you'll be hard pressed to find something as good and mind-fucky as Higurashi or Blazblue.

>>24711174
what's mind-fucky about blazblue? isn't that just some fighting game?

>>24711174
> Higurashi
Great example. afaik there is nothing like that in the wn genre. I'm not good enough to write it but I'd certainly read it

>>24711174
Most WN authors will never do it because of reader expectations.

>>24711186
blazblue's creator didn't want to make a fighting game so the story is actually wild and pretty nonsensical at first glance. He just ended up working at his friend's company which happened to be a FG company and his friend(creator of guilty gear) suggested using his setting and characters as a basis for an FG since gear was in legal hell for a time. The story sections of latter blazblue games are basically just VNs.

>>24711186
BB's first game is a giant timeloop, with each character's storymode being an iteration. It always ended with the protagonist and the antagonist time traveling to the past, merge into a giant beast whose appearance and defeat set up most of the game's settings and each character's background. The timeloop is eventually broken but it also unsealed the series' main antagonist.
And the underlying reason for the timeloops is a lot of sibling ties bullshit, carrying over across layers of cloning.

those little "monster girl evolution" rat bastards are starting to rename their shit now

Good promotion opportunity on the RR forums. Share your scenes out of context.
>https://www.royalroad.com/forums/thread/157518

>>24711357
Really? Which ones changed?

>>24711366
>Good promotion opportunity
>on the RR forums
What good does it do to shill to shills? Nobody on the forums gives a fuck about others, they're all just there to toot their own horn

>>24711357
Thank God it's over. Hopefully no one will try it again. Also Critical Roleplay held the top position, probably out of spite kek
>>24711373
>Chloe the Zombie: A Monster Evolution LitRPG
Was Zombie girl evolution
>Flesh Eater [Demon Evolution LitRPG]
Was Demon girl evolution iirc
>Sherly - The Most Virtuous Holy Cow
Cow girl evolution?
>Phoenix Ascension [Cultivation LitRPG]
Phoenix girl evolution
>Beware the Trickster (An Occult Progression LitRPG)
Fox girl evolution I think.

Some still have the girl evo, but those were the ones I saw on RS.

Anyone have any guides on writing fight scenes?

>>24711400
Honestly, titles should be locked when the fiction goes up. Pulling switcheroos like this to escape bad rep and using the title as a chat window is just fucking slimy and juvenile

>>24711407
But then how will I announce that my novel's about to get stubbed?

>>24710461
So long as it isn't "He did this. He did that. He looked at the thing. He picked up the thing. He fell over. The thing was heavy. He lifted with his feet. It was big." I don't care.

>>24710641
This is Golden Boy. I approve.

>AI art
>AI writing
>Chapters are "He lifted his arm." [Arm Strength 50]
>2,000+ followers
>5 stars
How did he do it? What a chad.

>>24711451
>AI art
Irrelevant, almost all RR cover have AI covers.
I haven't read it, but edited AI writing is almost certainly better than the average RR novel. It hits the LitRPG and Isekai mains, plus the smaller-but-still-relevant War and Military tag, so there's your audience.
It also did the release plan (38 chapter in 44 days), and I suppose the author brought ads and/or shoutout swaps.
If you think about it, the only thing that sets it apart is that it's AI-assisted. Grim but not unforeseen,

>>24711451
The end really is nigh. AI isn't there quite yet but if heavily obvious AI prose is reaching the top of rising stars, soon it will all be AI

I don't want to post my works on a site that accepts anything but sincere human thought. Why do we even write? To communicate experiences to each other, right? If it doesn't come from another person, it's meaningless. The fact by itself that your effort has to stand on the same stage with this dickless lorem ipsum is one big humiliation ritual. Absolute shitshow

>>24711426
>as long as the prose isn't bad I don't care care about prose
so you care about prose

>>24710641
Let’s try some isekai premises this time. I’ll even throw in one with stats.

The New Life Project is a program where people can upload their consciousness into a digital world tailored to their every preference. The catch? A portion of their memory is erased, leaving them blissfully unaware that it’s all a simulation. Want to spend eternity in heaven? Done. Want to be isekai’d into a fantasy realm and surrounded by a harem of monster girls? That can be arranged.
The program is especially popular among the elderly, the bedridden, the suicidal, and those simply looking for a fresh start.
Of course, there’s also the Dream Life Project, where users remain fully aware it’s all fake. But that version is far less popular. Why live a dream when you can live a lie that feels real?
A cybersecurity specialist working for the company behind New Life has the unenviable duty of diving into different clients’ simulations to root out anomalies the old-fashioned way—by killing them. But when several New Life users start dying in their pods, he begins to suspect something far more sinister than a glitch: murder. A serial killer may be on the loose inside the digital multiverse, and he’s the only one who can stop them.

A man is sent back in time to fix his mistakes… but in a different body.
In his first life, he awakened the magical powers within him and went full chuunibyou. He made choices he would come to regret: founding a secret organization, amassing an unwilling harem, and slaughtering innocent people who stood in his way. In the end, he angered a god who obliterated his body and enslaved his soul.
After eons as the god’s unwilling errand boy, he’s offered a second chance to return to the past and undo his mistakes. But his soul has changed so much over the millennia that his younger body rejects him, forcing him to inhabit the body of the first man he ever killed—his old bully.
Now, back in the past and trapped in a frail shell, he faces an impossible task: stopping his younger, stronger, and far more unhinged self from destroying the world.

In a world where people can level up and increase their attributes, one man discovers a peculiar gift: the ability to respec his stats at will. The catch? He can’t level up at all and only has 20 attribute points total. Just enough to max out a single stat out of six.
He could pour everything into STR and crush diamonds in his palm… but that would leave him a drooling moron with zero stamina. Or he could go all in on INT, but that would mean sacrificing everything else. Even if he spread the points evenly, he’d still be weaker than a ten-year-old.
So far, he manages to survive by the skin of his teeth, using the art of quick respec to adapt on the fly. But when he discovers he can also respec the attributes of his party members, a new path opens before him—the chance to assemble the strongest party in the world and challenge the gods themselves.

>>24711658
did you have chatgpt generate these for you

I DID IT BROS, 151!

>>24711739
Congratulations

>>24711702
No, but I did use it to correct the grammar. Hence the em dashes.

>>24711753
You're not gonna make it.

>>24711758
Fair. But before I abandoned my previous story all those years ago (this was before AI spellcheckers and all that), typos were the one thing people kept tearing me apart for. At a certain point, I just have to throw up my hands and admit I can’t spell for shit.

>>24711795
I'm still too retarded to use dashes properly.

>>24711801
You can use them wherever you want. It's not like anybody reading knows how to use them either.

>>24711150
>story with a twist of involving the Reader in some metaplotfuckery.
>>24711174
>something as good and mind-fucky as Higurashi
>>24711190
>afaik there is nothing like that in the wn genre.

Despite it being isekai, Omniscient Readers Viewpoint fits the Reader and mindplot fuckery category pretty well, a genuinely well written wn that id say surpasses many visual novels even Higurashi. There isnt any other webnovel like it

>>24711975
Meant to say metaplot*

I need help brainstorming ideas for Body Cultivation in my setting, i don't want separate it into general levels like "Iron Body" or "Golden Body" and so on because its too impersonal and doesn't allow for the same customization than regular cultivation in my setting does
Im also wary of just restricting it to just a per "Manual" issue, where one Cultivation Manual decides everything for the same reason, i'll still have them, but i feel it breaks the fantasy of having custom-made superpowers to have it all solved by the story

I took some inspiration on what this anon recommended >>24707126
Instead of just organs i decided to make it the full body and divided the individual stages like this:
>Flesh (skin & muscles)
>Tendons & Ligaments
>Bones & Marrow
>Blood
>Organs
>The Nerve System
I might order it in some other way, im not sure yet
But the gist of it is at every stage the cultivator uses elixirs, pills and other mystical herbs and fruits and trains to infuse their effects in their bodies, after they absorbed everything they can (and their lower dantian is full) try for a breakthrough, if the newest augment doesn't mesh well with the others they will fail, if not, the body undergoes an "Evolution", the body completely assimilates the augment and the rest of the body will also be strengthened to accommodate it

Every augment is basically either a Passive Skill (Like a +20% to Strength permanently) or an Active skill the user trained and adapted his body for (Something like +200% Strength Temporarily)
It can be more than one per stage but it usually has some harsh diminished returns after the first, maybe 2 if the Manual is very advanced, the other skills in the stage also suffers for it
The augments' skills can also combined to form a greater whole (A +10% strength in one part with 10% in another might have a +5% effect on each) or combine more than one to form a skill outside the limit (Something like combining 3 active skills to make an "Ultimate Skill")
Each augment becomes "Fixed" after a breakthrough, they can't be changed, but they can be strengthened again (although, this is optional and not needed for a new breakthrough)

That's what i got so far, i need opinions, i need ideas for active skills besides "The body becomes really hard" and "The user gains a lot of strength temporarily"

>>24712081
you're overthinking this shit lmao just write a good story

>>24711120
No. First sentence isnt that bad, in a Holden Caulfield sort of way.
>About 7 months ago, just a month after...
Repetitive
>just a month after I... began my shut-in life, I was a fresh recluse.
Redundant.
>my emotions were a rollercoaster / twisted personality
Sounds like an AI joke and it doesnt track. How does whining give you a "twisted" personality?

The voice is very dry, but not in a witty way. And the prose is nonexistant because it's just monologuing. It goes on and on and on. When does the story start? I could not finish this.

>>24712081
So what's the conflict in your story? Who's the main character?

>>24712081
I think a power system that's this "hard" (Ie well-defined) is only necessary if you're planning to use it for specific narrative problem-solving
if it's just for characterisation and flavour, a softer system is fine

>>24712090
>just write a good story
>>24712122
>So what's the conflict in your story? Who's the main character?
Patreon paying readers don't want a "Good story", they love a power fantasy, and a power system is absolutely necessary, it needs to accommodate for awesome and flashy powers in a logical but colorful way that let the readers mind wonder what can be done with it
Slop readers hate "mystery gobbledygook" power progression, they want underdogs gaming the system and coming out on top, this shit is WAY more important that you give it credit for and you're wrong for dismissing it
>>24712128
Yeah thanks

>>24712157
>Slop readers hate "mystery gobbledygook" power progression, they want underdogs gaming the system and coming out on top, this shit is WAY more important that you give it credit for and you're wrong for dismissing it
you're describing a specific (somewhat common) type of slop reader and so you aren't wrong, but you are definitely ignoring that a lot of readers don't actually care about this either and several "soft magic system" stories have done great recently and historically
if you're writing something a la Primal Hunter you have a point, but the seas of slop are wide and varied. power system autists are a large community, maybe even the biggest, but far from the only

guys where do you read ur webnovels
seems like 69shuba has disabled google translate on their site??

bros reverend insanity is so good...

>>24712174
royalroad? Maybe Spacebattles on the fortnite I cursory cruise through the CrW forum in fits of jealousy over others' success.

>>24712157
You should be more concerned with making your story entertaining.

>>24712179
I don't read any pigdog western webnovels
I only read machine translated chinese novels

>>24712193
i didn't know they allowed doctors to perform lobotomies anymore. where'd you get it done at?

>>24712191
That can come later, now i need ideas for cool powers

>>24712197
never seen anything worth reading on royal road
well
there was a couple
but like
i didn't finish em

>>24712157
>>24712172
I think the people who are best at writing extremely granular, hard power systems are themselves already serious fans of that approach and have no problems concocting them. The ideas are the cheap part, after all.
I may be misunderstanding your original post (>>24712081) but you asking for more ideas isn't very promising. What you've shared so far isn't very well explained either and seems quite convoluted even when I give it the benefit of the doubt. Which systems have you enjoyed/felt inspired by?

why would you need to brainstorm body cultivation when its a well understood science ?

>>24712157
>underdogs gaming the system and coming out on top
>readers mind wonder what can be done with it
again, that's if the story you have planned relies on the power system for narrative problem-solving. that may be true but the system you've described so far doesn't corroborate that. maybe you want them to be problem-solving tools to justify their complexity but the boons and maluses just sound like additional flavour rather than problem-solving tools.

>>24712215
Could you at least say what's confusing about it? Im fine if you poke holes through the whole thing, i can think of something or start all over again if necessary
As for inspiration, it was a combination of regular body cultivation in various series (training and taking drugs to get the body to become superhuman) and Soul Land (Or Douluo Dalu, or whatever) where every breakthrough nets them a new power or buff to use

>>24712193
novelupdates...?

>>24712218
Because actual scientific bodybuilding would end up being only the backbone.

Body Cultivation is about two things:
a) Body remoulding to surpass the limits of even a "perfect" human (I've read some scientifically-minded xianxia where this was literal, like doing vein and nerve cable management and redesigning joints and muscles, in others it's more mystical, and all inbetween)
b) Squatting every day ten thousand times until the clap of your asscheeks can propel you through time (I hate to use this example but Might Guy from naruto)

>>24712249
oh I almost forgot
it's about THREE things
the third one is eating/bathing in/etc various shit made from mythical beasts to absorb their powers
the idea being that your body is strong enough to withstand the process that would annihilate any other cultivator

>>24712241
no i found wtr-lab
looks like the better place anyways, has AI translate or google translate built it
just have to make a free account
then also can do ur library shit to keep track of your webnovels rather than leaving tabs open

>>24712249
just open your 10,000 acupoints and dredge your meridians and temper your bone marrow

>>24712273
Conglaturation you've reached the Mid-Foundation equivalent of Body Cultivation
what now

>>24712276
>>24712273
also opening acupoints, dredging marrow, etc. is often placed under the "Body Tempering" realm that comes before Qi Gathering
I've often seen it explained as the bare minimum body cultivation to prepare the body to not tear itself apart trying to cultivate

>>24712278
well you have the skin, muscle, bone, the spine, 5 organs, bone marrow, brain + open up your spiritual wisdom, rebirth from a drop of blood, etc

oh my god dude who cares

Theres lots of body cultivation novels too, just steal from them, form your domain at some point, condense a dharma figure....

>>24712235
>that may be true but the system you've described so far doesn't corroborate that.
Anon, im trying to make mystical bodybuilding a bit more interesting because it also needs to compete with regular cultivation that basically have all the magic powers
I agree that i should read into how these "problem-solving tools" things work, but i think you're also reading too much into it, all these things are only there to facilitate cool things happening in a scene
>>24712273
>>24712278
>>24712287
>>24712296
BORING!

I think I am liking the idea of just re-adapting the events of Yellow Typhoon but from Lawrence's perspective for the first chapters of A Game of Cosmic Titans. Originally as it stands right now its just ch7 but from his perspective, so I think it'd lend some agency since the first chapter draft just isn't cutting it. I know I can rework it better but I know now that one will be rewritten and slotted later. At the end of the day I've been doing pretty good progress on the actual chapter wips. It's all coming together bros.

>>24712371
Yeah, I imagine that most of your readers may not have read Yellow Typhoon, and for those that read it would be a recap of sorts. Most find the beginning hard, so it's good to try around and see what works and what doesn't.
>It's all coming together bros.
Nice, good luck and godspeed.

>>24709839 (OP)
When did you realize western creatives were hacks?

>>24712510
when i discovered eastern creatives were singular hives

clearly the solution is splitting off to /ewng/ and /wwng/

>>24712558
What about South and north?

there's literally just the one anon pushing chinaslop, he's just active

>>24711405
>Anyone have any guides on writing fight scenes?
you don;t have to be good at fighting, shooting, etc. But if you can do those things as a hobby fro fun even a little bit over a long period of time you bring a ring of authenticity. Example.
Tying to raise tension, its common enough a trope to have the MC cock their handgun. "He cocked his gun" isn't shit. So i sat there one might and my MC had to cock his hog leg revolver. I took y own out, and I cocked it and re-cocked it many times. That "click!" was really a series of stronger and weaker clicks, coming in at their own times. Done very slow, I separated them out. I got my disassembly manual out and saw what mechanisms were producing each click. Then several sentences describing the volume of each click and a brief of what function was happening. The cylinder turning. The locking gate engaging. The sear engaging the levered trigger release.
>
"My trigger had far less reach than a stock one. Trigger travel under about half of normal is considered a "good" trigger. MIne was a half, but now I file diamond stoned it further, down to a third or so. Not quite a full competition race trigger. What a laymen refers to as a hair trigger. Yet its damn close. This is where I get my double tap from, lightning fast. It never fails to impress. My full house reloads jump a little more from the heavy for caliber projectiles. The extra recoil jump, the almost hair trigger burps a second shot out. Am I cheating? In a word, yes. First one goes here I want. The second goes off almost indistinguishable fro the first about an inch away, at two to three o'clock.
>
I can drop these little doctoral dissertations in. (gun-fu, anyone) all novel long. How he carries. What he carries. What a quick draw is, what it isn't. No end to it. Now that I was a *great* fighter, but I did it for a workout for years. I can do the same "doctoral dissertations" on that as well.
>
Example.
>
I had asked for a sample.

"We'll play a game. Do a super slow motion cowboy punch. Aim for my nose, but so slow its pure comedy."

He touched the tip of his nose to indicate as he stance-d up. A curious slight crouch to him. I reared back to show off my best and funniest cowboy punch.

"Freeze!"

I was hauled back. He placed nothing save his index finger on my shoulder and shoved. I moved.

"You're seriously off balance when you draw back. Do it again."

He let me slide now for my balance when I was hauling off. He let my slow fist start and he placed his palm on my shoulder. He fisted my shirt and yanked in a tight smooth draw.

"Again, seriously off balance, when you come in. Off balance to start. Off balance to finish. You're only balanced, on accident? For a brief moment in the middle. Now. Do i again. A little faster."

Now punching faster, he reacted a lot quicker. He pulled my one shoulder, and shoved the other. He was grinning.

"Bring the speed up."

No matter which hand It felt like I was being simultaneously pulled and pushed.

>>24712558
If you do that, you would probably get banished to /a/ or /jp/.

>>24712567
>I file diamond stoned it further, down to a third or so
This is extremely clunky
just say he filed it down further

>>24712567
Then he started stepping on my foot. In time and out of time with the shoulder pulls and pushes. The feeling of being jostled felt like a twig swing in a gale force wind. When he suddenly shot his forearm in and tapped my throat light, It was obvious he checked it.

"Stop. I get you used to pulling for my push. Pushing, for my pull. Then I throw in the foot stepping. And I start to reverse the push and pull. Whether the foot hold comes before, during , or after. Which foot I push on, and for what reason. When I finally have you off balance and pulling? I suddenly push and strike, after pinning the other foot than you're expecting."

"I can learn that?"

"Give me three months. With your boxing game you already got going, let me give you this."

"What do you get out of it."

He grinned and winked.

"You're a boxer. Show me how to punch harder, when I want to."

I chuckled and held my sweaty palm out.

"Deal."

>>24712589
typo. was supposed to say "diamond file". oopsie. But I do *not* have to be a crack shot to be able to describe gun shit. Fighting is the same. I can do the factual descriptions for long range shooting, hunting, etc.
>
"Write what you know about". Eh? If you don't know, that which you wish you know... click on some shit until you know some shit.

>>24712604
I know everything so I write nothing.

I write what I love so my women characters have big boobs.

Bags of sand, gentlemen. WARM bags of sand.

>>24712193
western can be amusing

>>24712773
Okay but they could be a lot bigger, right? Maybe a chapter about why they're mysteriously doubling in size?

Why does ScribbleHub have so much ESLs compared to RR? I'm not exactly complaining but, why is that the case?
Comparing the quality of ScribbleHub and RR is almost day and night.

I guess I approached this all wrong. While Novel Update is all about unique twists in tired tropes, RR is literally just power level autism.
Every story starts with the MC waking up, a few paragraphs of tragic backstory and lore dump to get it out of the way, then it’s all stats and grinding from there.
Hm… if this is the case, I may need to stop thinking in terms of story, plot, and character arc, and just design an RPG campaign for the MC to go through: main quest, side quests, collectibles, romance options, dungeons, mini games, boss rushes, and most importantly, skill trees.
Wonder if I can translate Arkham mechanics into book form somehow.

>"I finally figured out how to game the system guys! My patreonbux are going to come flowing in any day now!"
>nothing happens
you really just don't get it

get a real job if you want money

Already have a job. I just want the attention.

>>24712837
I think things like smut/ecchi/harem are seem as less desirable or even taboo in fiction in the anglo world (minus India and such), so people form other countries to write it, and they may not be as good in writing in english as it's low brow even for web novels.
Or maybe, the competition over there is less, so stories can be of lower quality prose and still find readers.
I don't know, I haven't posted my story there yet, just spitballing theories.

>>24712781
my autism keeps getting roused and immediately angered by western xianxia writers mixing japanese, korean, and chinese names together, sometimes splicing in western fantasy names in the middle of a sino-koreo-japonic fantasy name.

>>24712921
I really don't get it
Chinese, Japanese, and Korean names don't sound the same. I mean they do within the language (I often can't distinguish characters in translated xianxia from one another) but a chink name doesn't sound like a jap name.

It's not even hard to stay consistent, literally just look up a name list or use a name generator. I've mostly been using greek, latin, and arab names and that alone was enough to give my setting a mediterranean feeling according to readers.

>>24712942
i dont know how western wn writers do it but they do it time and time again

>>24712371
https://rentry.co/5tiktkb2
This went better than expected. Ahh, it's like a trip down suffering lane.

>>24709839 (OP)
My girl.

Don't listen, he wants those patreonbucks for himself.

16,000/month starting.

which would be a more entertaining OPMC (as in MC inserted into his max lvlgame character) to read?

The Menace to Civilization
>unapologetically unhinged, unfettered from all moral and sane considerations
>probably deeply autistic, actions guided by an esoteric and dubious process
>first encounter with villains end in him immobilizing them only to immediately attempt to measure their facial structures and analyze their personalities through physiognomy
>direct or indirect cause of nearly all the conflicts in the novel
>terrifies the supporting cast and strangers on a daily basis through his investigations of the world built upon an utterly false premise

or

The Colony Manager
>autistically obsessed with drafting and building megaprojects, optimizing resource management, etc.
>an indirect combat class that relies on summons, proceeds to summon or make a ton of golems and have them engage in construction as his first act
>projects attract curious locals, who he either bribes away with treasure or drives away with his golems
>attempts at isolating himself to engorge his desire for ceaseless construction constantly fail as the local population keeps trying to communicate with him
>plot structure can be summarized as: autist vs god, nature, and humanity

I started reading Secret Assistant to the Princess on Scribblehub.

MC gets isekai'd to the bedroom of a useless princess, but he's tiny, like smaller than a fairy. The princess had to hide him. She did it by putting him in her panties, but was forced to take a bath, so she shoved him inside herself. MC has been stuck inside the princess's vagina for 19 chapters out of the 20 I've read. Lmao. This is comical. You'd never read something like this in a published novel.

super forehead

>>24712840
Meanwhile people said that I had a bad idea here: >>24710964

>>24712968
I was just going to sleep, you can't do that to me anon.

I think it's a good introduction, but it may be because I already know the universe as I had read Yellow Typhoon. Goes directly to action, which I think it's a plus. Readers may get confused at the amount of terms being introduced though. I was going to try to give you examples of situating the terms but I think it would only aggravate the problem, so you did better than I would've done.

Lawrence's relationship with Victoria is cute; some said it was cheesy in the last time you posted a draft and I agreed, but I'm not feeling it's as cheesy this time around. Or maybe I'm just tired. Romance is always somewhat cheesy in my eyes anyway, but the RR is especially assexual.

Length-wise it's on the shorter size, I suppose this is what you wrote today and posted here, so you have plenty of word budget in the chapter. I would use it to introduce the meaning of the concepts you've introduced. Especially Zeta and the Tacomas as both are the main threats Victoria is going against in this part of the story.

I don't think you need to introduce Victoria by the full name, at least no yet. Schwarzenberger is quite a mouthful, if awesome name.

All in all, good work anon. Need Victoria GF. Badly. Good night, I'm hitting the hay.

>>24713032
>You'd never read something like this in a published novel.
idk man scifi got weird back in the 70s

>>24712840
>wooow I just realized I need my work to have goals and events

>>24712968
>>24713040
Thank you for the encouraging words. Here's the next chapter. This is all coming along better than I expected.
https://rentry.co/qqp5kvmm

Dropped Dungeon of Knowledge. Too slow and too much focus of the summons (why even have an adventuring party if half the combat is about the summons?)

Still reading :
Max lvl Archmage
Pale Lights
Years of the Apocalypse
Player 0.4
Delve ( new chapter?!)
Objects in Motion
Zenith of Sorcery
Alocalypse Reborn

>>24712968
https://rentry.co/zftextrv One last chapter update for now. Wowe I got a lot of progress tonight both re-adapting YT and finishing up the then-current wip chapter I was putting off for so long. I can't wait to show the alternative art cover I commissioned, too. I'm sure it's going to be phemonal.

Reading more, I feel like my characters are too reasonable compared to the average WN character

>>24713561
You have to give them flaws, you can give one of them a redditor personality, and they/thems can be tragically killed when relaxing at the goblin cantina

I hate first person point of view

I love first person point of if view

>>24713561
I hate "reasonable" characters. There's nothing more poisonous to having high stakes or heartfelt drama than everyone simply doing the reasonable smart thing.

>>24713620
This is primarily the problem I'm running into, yes. I might be too autistic for this.

Eastern webnovel approach of switching between first-person POV for the MC and third-person POV for the side characters is based. Nothing is more kino than the side characters running into the MC and describing how cool he is.

>>24713634
Reasonable characters need conflicting desires.

>>24713671
This. I rather read about reasonable characters who are in conflict because their strong views and beliefs don't mesh, and not because some of them are just fucking retarded. That only makes things more intense when the conflict can't be resolved simply by pointing out the obvious errors in logic, which they never do in stories written by dumb people.

If you want a sure route to the top of Rising Stars, layer your writing with heaping helpings of smut. You always have to keep in mind that web novels rose from the popularity of anime, and the reading hosts are anime watchers first, and one of the indispensable lures of anime is the jigglesome titties that populate every scene. Entire plotlines can be distilled to a pair of milkers bared in the moonlight. Reach a creative dead-end--no problem! Simply hem your characters into a deserted barn and commence an orgy. There's really no reason we all shouldn't be popular when it's simple, bordering on simpleminded, to engage the baser centers of the reader's mind.

>>24713757
smut isn't allowed on RR you retard

>>24713757
Nah just insert hand-holding. My characters frequently hold hands. Bonus points, the girl isn't human so it's foreign and exciting to her.

>got my writing up to a decent amount per day
>close to finishing my trilogy
>close to starting a rewrite on the lacking middle novel
>workshopping my next project that shows a lot of promise
>family and friends won't leave me alone and I have to take a week off
Two more days... On Friday I can get back to my writing cave.

>>24713129
>>24713248
Nice progress anon. Just be mindful of the change from 1st to 3rd narrator in >>24713248
I only have one edit suggestion:
>Zeta. It’s a mobile asteroid fortress capable of enough monstrous firepower to rival that of a battleship armada.
Zeta. A mobile asteroid fortress. Capable of enough monstrous firepower to rival that of a battleship armada.
I think if laid this way, the description of Zeta may be more impactful: an entire asteroid turned into a massive weapon. But that's up to you, it's your authorial voice.

Looking foward to the new cover art, keep it up.

Look, I did not expect so many sulphureous replies to my kindly post. IF you want to make a success of your work, all I would say is to interlard some of the duller passages with smut. Web-novel readers love smut. Otherwise expect to ooze out your writer's life in perfect obscurity. Which I think is a goal some of you secretly harbor. What do you live for but to moan on these boards about your unrecognized talent?

Did you thank your author for the meal?

>>24713757
Just make your female characters get naked and embarrassed for some contrived reason.

>>24713979
Isn't that just sword art online progressive?
Granted that is a good idea, but its only effective when the girls are appealing. Only kizmel is appealing.

>>24713079
>>You'd never read something like this in a published novel.
>idk man scifi got weird back in the 70s
comedy movie "step brothers".
the brother's wife tells the other step brother he can live in her vagina. Its warm and moist in there.
And some champ made it a plot point? Awesome.

>30k words in
>Already starting to blank out
How do I master filler?

>>24713890
Thanks. What excerpt had the narrator # change?

>>24714484
This one: https://rentry.co/zftextrv
We were on 1st person Lawrence narration and switched to 3rd person Lawrence.
>>24714482
I wish I knew. I think my pacing is twice as fast as the average slopper.

>>24714520 (me)
It didn't happen during the excerpt, but inbetween the second and third you posted. Hence I said 'be mindful', as I don't know your chapter structure.

>>24714482
Why do you need filler?
Just follow the plot

>>24714538
30k feels kinda lean for my first act. I was hoping to pad it out more and give stuff time to breathe. They've already killed the first antagonist, but I don't wanna rewrite it so he just escapes and then have him come back again and again.

>>24714548
30k?
Not bad at all. You know most people don't even get that far. If you feel like there needs to be a bit more then what I usually do is sit on it for a while so that you don't end up forcing something unnatural to happen and digging a weird hole.
Sometimes imagination needs a bit of time to cook.

>>24714548
How about you let the heroes enjoy some of their wins? If they've gained status, renown, riches or relationships then write about them enjoying those.

>>24714130
Maybe. I just read a smut? novel that had it happen and it was hot.
I heard it happens a lot in the Wheel of Time too.

After recommendation from some anon i've read
>Practical Guide to Sorcery
till the last chapter that is available online, i've gotta say it's much better than Mother of learning.
I really like it, I'm disappointed with the slow pace of chapter release, currently barely anything is resolved and the story ended in the most interesting part, which sucks.

Anymore recommendations like that? PGTS is much better at progression and conveying emotion than mother of learning, even though it's the same autistic kinda type of progression. I mea i really like it. For now - the author can still ruin it with some dumb shit like lizardfucking.

>>24714548
>They've already killed the first antagonist
I've barely introduced my characters in 30k words

>>24714586
I kneel. I wish I knew your secrets.

my story had one major antagonist and I look back and realize maybe this was a mistake but it is hard to craft a true long-term antagonist when the main character is someone who would kill on sight or die trying. The options are unseen-but-often-talked-about boss or cartoon villain that always gets away somehow and I don't like either of those. I ended up eventually having an untouchable character who is killed by someone else and I don't think that's very wish-fulfillment. I have autism.

>>24711405
Steal them from books you like. Every fight I've written is taken from Glenn Cook's Black Company series. I've used the forvalaka and Limper fights as inspiration for a dozen rumbles.

>>24714704
>cartoon villain that always gets away somehow
What about a villain that always escapes by throwing a subordinate under the bus? You get a single major antagonist and the wish-fulfilment of a villain getting up-comerance. Throw in something like the villain getting crippled and bitter after narrowingly escaping death and you got the recipe for some good antagonist.

>>24714704
Just make it to where for every major encounter, the power dynamic shifts further into your protagonist's favor.
1st: Protag rushes to fight before he is ready, needs to get bailed out. Protagonist losses.
2nd: Protag has gotten some growth, is now an equal match for the antag. This time, the antag is the one who gets bailed out. Protag is closer, but this is still a stalemate/loss.
3rd: Protag is beyond than the antag, so much so that the antag's attempt at bailing is thwarted.

bros... I think I wrote my kino too peak....

What's kino is to closet your strapping MC with a scullery maid. She's half-clad and the light peeking under the door gilds her breasts. And she begs him to wreathe her rack in his filthy pleasure sauce. Don't worry, she's a practiced hand with sticky messes! With scenes like that, you'll sail to the top ranks of RR, guaranteed.

Uhh like... a guy who... becomes a superhero by like...
...sticking his dick in an electric socket? and uhh... like, the government catches him and are like "dude how did you get those powers?" and he knows if he says how, they'll like... roast him. so he becomes a villain.

How's this for an idea: a set of french maids form the staff of a household, and their job, alternate with the duties of cooking and cleaning, is to satisfy the sexual needs of the lord of the manor. The story becomes a merry-go-round of lust and power. Because the maids have different dispositions, and varying shades of interest in the lord, he has to show himself differently to each girl. Always the result is the same--rough sex, minutely described. But maneuvering the girl into bed demands a delicate play of wits by the seducer-in-chief MC, and that, it transpires, is his true kink. He could have whoever he pleases; after all they're all in his employ. But he wants to wheedle into their affections. Amid the turmoil of feelings, things turn nasty between the maids, but he does little to intervene. When any girl threatens to overmatch the rest, he merely cools on her for a while. The house, meanwhile, has never looked better. On and on whirls the merry-go-round, indefinitely. What do we think? Add magic at opportune moments, and it could be a runaway hit.

Someone should unironically make a story about that 4chan post concerning a secret society that punches people so hard they turn into doors, and the protagonist finding out that's how all doors are made.

>>24714849
What are you writing about?

>>24715071
space opera tragedy

>>24714704
That moment when you start to realize why tropes exist.

>>24714704
My antagonist is basically on his last legs after three encounters. He crippled the protagonist, and got crippled in return. Second encounter he lost an arm and is basically human wreckage. Now he's forced to relying on his reputation and fear to make others do shit for him. Of course that goes away the second someone finds out he has to pee with a tube.

A thousand views, we did it bros.

>>24715028
How many premises have you posted like some desperate middle-aged white woman trying to find a get rich quick scheme? There's no magic bullet premise that will carry you on its own.

>>24715139
>2.5 Style Score
:(

>>24715152
more likely than not it's because he only has one review and that one review didn't much like the style

>>24715077
Sounds cool.
>>24715139
Congrats, dude!

I'm writing a web novel with the female MC. There's very little preface to the action. The reader is thrust into her hero's journey toward the mist-cloaked peak of a mountain. When she reaches the top, her sword incarnadined with battle, we come to find that the holy grail she's been fighting toward is an abortion clinic. Once she shuffles in the door and slides into the stirrups before the examine doctor, the conclusion proceeds as realistically as any kitchen-sink drama. There's the disapproving nurse and the cold-fish doctor, and the patient tense and fearful. The unyielding light plays up and down the doctor's instruments. He slaps on his latex gloves, adjusts his glasses, and says Let's Begin.

>>24715028
Sounds hot

>>24715170
You are too much of a hack to write this convincingly. You'll write what you think will seduce women, but only turn off your female readers. All of the men will read your pitiful work, and jack off to it, becuase they understand less than even you do. The ultimate cuck is other men jacking off to the women in your head.

>>24713248
https://rentry.co/4bxhobct Another chapter update out. No shortage of stream. I hope my bros are just as productive in (You) ventures.

>Wordcount is 26,966
>Ctrl+F "The"
>2206 results
Should I be worried?

any of you follow infinite realm actively? i haven't since the release of the last book which was supposed to be the penultimate but... the author seems to continue to keep writing and writing and blah feature creep anybody know why this shit keeps going on and on?

>>24715403
Because it’s a web novel and to expect anything less is a fools errand. Now go fetch me the collard greens boy

>>24715344
Yes

To be a good webnovelist you need to read only one book: the bible. All else is distraction. If you're creatively stuck, the bible can furnish you with scores of stories whose undying allure is affirmed by the 1 billion yearly readers. What web novelist can claim those numbers?

buble

Does anyone have insights based on actually using the RR Ad System? Which ads are actually working/the best? Is it worth it paying big bucks?

>>24715486
>view botting

>>24715486
according to the community only the square one is worth anything

After some thought, I believe my black hole/void-based power concept is the strongest foundation for my LitRPG, as it contains all the genre essentials:
Magic System: Void-infused abilities, unique to each individual.
Magic Users: The Altered are humans who have come into contact with the Void yet manage to retain their sense of self. Their power is determined by the degree of exposure. Second-hand exposure, such as slaying abominations, is the most reliable way to grow stronger while minimizing Void corruption. Certain bloodlines are naturally more resistant to corruption. Then there are the Void Walkers, those who have directly touched the Void and returned, bearing forbidden knowledge and immense power. They are the true rulers of this world. Many who enter the Void in search of power lose themselves entirely, becoming something unrecognizable.
Monsters: Living beings twisted into eldritch abominations by Void corruption. The extent of their corruption determines their strength. Human-based abominations are often the most dangerous, their higher brain function making them more susceptible to the Void’s whispers.
Map: A post-post-apocalyptic Earth, warped by the Void’s influence. Floating manors drift in the sky, black cathedrals pierce the clouds, dark forests shift and move in the night, and rivers carry the screaming souls of the dead. This brave new world offers no shortage of unique and twisted locations to explore.
Factions: Different Void Walkers rule over their own territories. Some appear benevolent, offering protection to the people, but no one can truly comprehend the motives of those who have crossed into the Void. Cities under their control are divided into rigid hierarchies, with powerful Altered families at the top and the powerless at the bottom. To climb the social ladder, people strive to slay abominations or risk touching the Void themselves.
Existential Threat: Outer gods press against the fabric of reality. The Void Walkers are divided into those who seek to break the veil and allow their dark gods to cross over, and those who seek to stop them.
Main Character: A regular guy in the 21st century who falls into the Void when a black hole suddenly appears beneath his feet. He becomes the first Void Walker and the one who has remained inside the Void the longest. When he finally emerges centuries later, he finds a world twisted beyond recognition. Despite being a Void Walker, he appears unchanged and uncorrupted by the Void’s influence, or at least he believes he hasn’t changed much. One moment, he was waiting in line to buy Pokemon cards, and the next, the world went black before he was hurled into the future. As an avid gamer, his Void powers manifest in the form of an RPG-style system, complete with an item shop and skill trees.
(All terms here are placeholders, since I haven’t checked if they’ve been used elsewhere, and “Void Walker” is so generic it’s probably been taken.)

>>24715504
Void/darkness abilities are the most generic super speshul main character type thing around, sorry. I don't mean that badly, I just mean it as it is.

>>24715504
That's a lot of words and I still don't get what "void" is.

>>24715534
It's basically the same thing as the Warp from Warhammer 40K.

I've been thinking about doing a litrpg with a support focused protagonist. There's been a trend of them lately in anime with them not realizing how important they are or their party rejecting them for being useless at combat, but I think it would be more interesting to write one who is the strategic leader and is known to be the lynchpin of the team. Not necessarily overpowered, but recognized as an important role and treated as such.

>>24714593
I'm more awed you can introduce the premise, the lead cast, the antagonist, set up a conflict, build towards a climax, and wrap it up in what amounts to maybe 10 chapters. Maybe you're really effective with your word use, or maybe you've left something important unsaid.

I've been reading Halls of Magic by Annabelle Hawthorne and M. E. Thorne and I realized that the potential of meeting other characters - conscious actors - is what makes worldbuilding interesting in a story. You can create a cool fantasy world, but if it doesn't have other characters in it it isn't nearly as interesting. I didn't realize it while reading Hemingway's Fisherman and the Sea, but I think I didn't get invested in that story for the same reason.

Where can I read some adult things?

>Who cared? These people were all crazy. Time to get dressed and get the fuck out of here before a bunch of furries showed up and asked him to join them on a quest.

>>24716076
Scribblehub, haremfantasy novels on Kindle, novel updates will lead you to translated works

>>24715486
Lowest one is worth it. Probably the best way to gain followers.

>>24715486
I really have to know about this since I'm gonna be launching soon.

>>24715486
just buy the one with the lowest cpm?

How long have we had this thread? 4-5 days?

>>24716201
No.

Why do western authors write characters that always try to get rid of slavery the first chance they get? I just started reading a story. MC gets isekai'd, defeats some noble and inherits all his servants. First thing he does is try to release all the servants from servitude because of some weird moral sense. Why? It's a stupid thing to do in a world you don't even know. Why would you get rid of all your help before you even know wtf you're doing?

Why even write this kind of servitude into the story if you're going to get rid of it immediately? Are authors really do delusional that they try to sell the "oh, you freed me, therefore I'm going to serve you out of my free will"?

>>24716201
2 days, 14 hours. You can hover over post times to see how long they've existed.

>>24716211
Protagonists generally do heroic, good things. Most people agree forcing people into servitude is bad and that you should have agency over yourself.
>Are authors really do delusional that they try to sell the "oh, you freed me, therefore I'm going to serve you out of my free will"?
This is huge in Japanese stuff, yeah.
>Oh I am a big breasted slave girl, you have saved me!
>Why yes I will join your harem and serve the exact function I just did under duress

Web novels are sorely bereft of sex scenes. How come? I've read uncounted volumes of RR novels and not a one features a pair of beef boys with their pikestaffs drawn roasting a lustful little wench en brochette. I ask you, why not? It's got to the point where a good sex scene would separate you from the masses of daily published work in a big way; your star could soar.

>>24716247
> RR novels
And there's your problem, RR doesn't allow sex scenes.

I take a scattergun approach to web novels. The worlds don't develop linearly but spin out from different directions; a nameless centripetal force, i.e., the author, then pulls them into order. You start from one point of the compass and work toward the center, where the action lies. Then you back up to a new point and start again. Between the start and the climax, little time passes but the reader has learned immensities of detail. And the inestimable richness of an alien world is made real to them. That's the goal of these novels--not some lumpen stroll from point (a) to point (b), a tenet cherished by traditional publishers, but a whole new way of seeing. Also loads of sex. You can't scant the sex.

>>24716271
You might want to learn some physics along with taking your schizo meds. Centripetal force points inward, not outward.

>>24716279
You might wanna learn how to read if you plan to be an author. I say the the centripetal force "pulls them into order." They start from different points of the compass and work toward center where the action lies.

>>24716284
> spin out from different directions; a nameless centripetal force
> spin out
if you say so

>>24716289
Again, your pitiable reading comprehension has failed you. They spin out toward the middle from different points of the compass. That was made abundantly clear across the succeeding sentences. I didn't think I had to spell out three times, but I also didn't think foresee a mindless ape getting all uppity with me.

>>24716299
>They spin out toward the middle
You really should learn when to just shut up, retard

>>24716308
>bested in logic, the witless ape relies on memes to evade total embarrassment.

Where can i read something made by a western author but the work isn't western coded.

>>24716350
How do you define "western-coded"?

>>24716359
All the phrase means is that he's new to the website and he is searching for something to read that will allow him to fit in on /lit/ or 4chan as a whole (it won't.)

Is there still an audience in this space who would enjoy reading a webnovel in which they actually have to pay attention to while reading? Who would still enjoy theorizing, or remembering small details, foreshadowing, etc...?

>>24716359
I think he means western coded like >>24716211 or something that shills western culture or values who knows at this point it could be like a million things.

>>24715244
>“Visual—“ Charlotte. “no hit,” she said.
"Visual—no hit," Charlotte said?
>“Almost there... I almost—there!”
I am or I- (to signify strain?).
>“I told you I got it!,” Luke laughed.
Double punctuation.

>I hope my bros are just as productive in (You) ventures.
Yesterday was a dud, just light editing on something already published. Hopefully today will be better.
>>24716201
It's been a slow thread.

>>24716239
Maybe this is why it irks me - it doesn't feel heroic. The MC just bumbles into it and it always somehow works out. I would enjoy this a lot more if MC got a proper plan in place and saw what he would lose by freeing them. Then it would feel like MC was being heroic.
>This is huge in Japanese stuff, yeah
Feels like 50-50 to me. The other half of Japanese MCs just keeps them as slaves.

>>24716284
I hope I make it big, so that when I do I can give the advice that you don't need to read shit to write.

>>24716379
There's an audience for everything. You might not get mass success, but those who wanted what you provide may enjoy it even more because it is so undersupplied. So go on and make it.

Yo guys cmon i know you're hiding some good shit like
>practical guide to sorcery
don't leave me hanging in here, i got the post-read depression.

>>24716413
I think you should definitely approach from a GRRM angle. Slavery is a big economic boom, and when it's gone, you're basically cutting the legs out from under a country that may be reliant on it.

Now suddenly you can't feed the slaves. The slaves are already angry at their masters. Rage boils and builds and suddenly the hero has instigated a riot where innocents are being rounded up with the rest.

>>24716446
If you don't read you'll never make it.

>decide to write a story that begins with the protagonist already established
>immediately realize why these novels tend to start from scratch
Figuring out how to explain the cultivation system seamlessly will be pulling teeth but I'm gonna do it

>>24716513
Just don't explain

>>24716508
I'll make a note of all of the doubters, and you them when I make it.

every once in a while I check on the one book I tossed onto my RR account. I think I remember being a lot higher of a number. I'm just over 60,000 now. I'm talking rating. I wanna remember being like almost 90,000 when i started.

okay, screw it. I uploaded the remaining several chapters just so I could mark my one book on RR as *completed*.

>>24716585
from 90k to 60k is one 4 star rating

>>24716484
I've heard very good things about Sky Pride recently. read it and tell me how it is

>>24716211
Funny, im doing a beta read for another story and the main character has to address with the issue (To his annoyance) when he first meets the gods that were responsible for him being sent to another world.
The short is that he believes in free will and that he has no right as an outside to impose his beliefs on governments and societies of a world where he is technically a guest. That and people have the right to make their own choices, mistakes, and to learn from mistakes so they can make a better future like how people developed on earth.
Kind of refreshing and no real moral faggotry. Just a mini cautionary tale of how good intentions make things worse.

>>24716484
A fiction I haven't seen talked about here that's quite good is something like 'Saving the school would have been easier as a cafeteria worker'. Laugh out loud moments for me, at least.

>nobody ever discusses A World Worth Protecting because it isn't as popular as I Shall Seal the Heavens so nobody read it
I think it's funny it took me this long to find a xianxia where one of the protag's main abilities (so far) is just kicking his opponent in the dick.

>>24716385
Thanks.

>getting into a new story
>travel section
>describes giant figures in the distance fighting
huh
Re:Cursed author is a litwanger?

>>24716678
>from 90k to 60k is one 4 star rating
I have one follower, whatever that means.

Is anyone else losing the desire of reading web novels after writing their own?
>>24716925
Every author is a litwanger until proven otherwise—my schizo ass kicked the ArcaneCadence-posting because of a post like that.
Haven't read Re:Cursed, at what chapter does that happen?

There is zero reason to read web novels, esp because the majority disinvent sex from their universes. What you oughta read is smut and find ingenious ways of sandwiching your work with sex scenes that will snooker the censors. Whoever unlocks the barrier between erotica and web novels will have all of RR at their feet.

>>24716779
That's so much more reasonable. I have no issue with an MC deciding to do all of this, but it shouldn't happen right at the start when he doesn't know how the world works.

Do we talk about fanfic/RR slop here or writing general?

>>24717125
Both, but writing is more common because we're a /wg/ split.

>>24716979
chapter 12
I saw someone say they wrote the MC observing kaiju fights as a cheat to make travel scenes more engaging for readers

>>24717155
Don't think too deeply about it, it may have been just a coincidence (that chapter is 7 months old, the author must've forgotten about it already).
There are some larger authors that lurk here, but trying to discern them is a wild goose chase.

>>24717125
It's funny cause RR is slop but it also makes money so....

I will write a chapter...
Tomorrow.

Is the implication that "viewing large creatures in the distance" is a /lit/ creation? Laugh out loud (lol).

>Worked 12 hours
>Promised myself I'd get my 2,500 in
Here I GO!

My latest WN pivots around a goth girl deep into the occult, who finds a pleat in the universe which turns out to be a chthonic wormhole down which she hurtles to the lair of Hades himself. She's mesmerized by the Levantine splendor in which he lives and he offers her the chance to be a member of his harem. They live in an adjoining room, ready to be beckoned at a moment's notice. He whistles and one of the girls, named Cereba, crawls in on all fours, her throat looped in a spiked collar. Goth girl, meanwhile, has no earthly ties and decides to join him. From there it's basically a round-the-clock sex romp with the King of Hell himself. She obeys his every whim on pain of eternal damnation, and through his wizardry he engorges her yumyums to three times their size--already big to begin with--which enables her to satisfy his godly scepter. Yep, if I can sneak it past the censors on RR, methinks it'll be a boffo hit.

>>24716247
KR and CN novels have detailed sex scenes,sometimes multiple chapters long. JP is too pussyfied by american puritanism thanks to the occupation

>>24717382
I believe in you

New:
>>24717589
>>24717589
>>24717589