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why is Nabokov so good, bros?

Been reading a lot of assorted cosmic horror and weird fiction & folk horror lately. Almost finished The White People by Machen. Is it just the season or is this shit really good?

Hi everyone, I am now on 1 maccabees in the apocrypha in nrsv. 700 pages to go

It's good when the enemy dies.

>>24717858
And if you are my enemy?

I want to write erotica for fun but I don’t know if my gf would like it. I’m a little shy of bringing it up too. I don’t want her to think of me as a degenerate (or to be more honest, to know that I am a degenerate when it comes to smut)

>>24717880
Write it then pretend you found it online and ask her what she thinks about it

Mr. Kirk said and supported bad things, so in some ways his death was good (by stopping those bad things). This doesn't mean the killer is justified.

>>24717795 (OP)
Do you folk have any recommendations for Sufi Poetry? Where to start, what Translation is best, etc. If I don't get any replies I'm just going to bite the bullet and start a thread. Or googleit like a chump.

>>24717849
The White people is a great book and I still remember the absolute chills when I first 'got' the story on my first read.

Three Impostors is also decent. High quality work but not as uniformly chilling.

>>24717909
This search for Sufi Poetry began when a dude told me about a line in Omar Khayyam's Rubbyiat. And I decided maybe my work would be a little less drab and generic if it was derivative from more and exotic things. So I am trying to read Sufi Poetry. Later I'll see if Tibetan Buddhist works are any good. Or idk, Esoteric Nazism. I've read samples from Devi and Serrano; imo Devi far outclasses Serrano but I instinctually prefer the latter because he is a Spic and I sympathize with his plight. I'd still read both, though.

How do I find the cheapest quickest way to finish a bachelor's if I already have an associates? Any major. I've been trying to look it up but these websites never distinguish in state and out of state tuition. I'll do online school. I just need the fuckin paper

>>24717795 (OP)
How do I get better at writing? Is it really just practice and reading a lot?

>>24717935
I really see questions like
>How do I get better at writing
very very similarly to
>How do I get more empathy
or
>How do I feel more human
idk why

>>24717932
Im going for a BA in history and the workload is already starting to get to me. Wrote to my Writing 1 Prof that I might have to get assistance in handling deadlines (i have ass burgers so im going to university for free basically)

>>24717879
Then it would be good for you for me to die.

>>24717935
I feel like I have good thoughts and ideas, but writing them down feels more like a humdrum process of compartmentalizing and imprisoning those ideas into the infrastructure of words and sentences. Writing doesn't make me feel empowered to express, it makes me feel like I'm playing tetris

>>24717795 (OP)
What's the name for an essay that's only four or five to six paragraphs long that's not just "short essay"?

When I was a kid I used to hoard mangas and e-books. Then I stopped for a long time, browsing mostly online and reading them through a site. Now, I think I might get back to downloading them again.

>>24717973
I have tons of epubs and pdfs on my kobo.

Who lives in a pineapple under the sea?

The stress of the past days turned out not to necessarily be because of my trouble with "X," but rather how starved I was for actual connection. I am not a friendless man. I am hardly friendless. But I only have a precious few people who I can truly connect with. The people who "get it" and get it completely. The people I can share with and share with me in turn.
So, when faced with the prospect of losing even one of these connections, even potential ones, I am seized by this paralyzing fear. Seized by fear when, in fact, I should be focused on cultivating even more connections.
It turns out that human connections are like a garden. Some connections wither, some connections continue blooming, and some connections even bloom into something beautiful.
I am thankful that I had realized this. It must have come at a very late time, but I am glad the realization came to me at all.

>try to write my review of the film/books I read
>end up spending 2-3 paragraphs paraphrasing the plot
fuck

>>24717973
Downloading them is for the best. I had to put finishing some light Manga on MangaDex on hold because of university for several weeks then the day after it's over and I can get back to reading, it all gets taken down. Have to use a shitty Aggregator now.

>>24717954
Deadlines fucked me up so bad last semester I could only sleep for a few hours each night before waking up in a fervor, unable to fall back asleep until I wrote more. All for nothing really, since the essays were crap. Not that it helps much, but have you peer reviewed other people's essays? When I did I wondered why I spent so much time fussing over minor things, letting the deadline creep closer and closer for minor revisions when really it just needs to show some decency.

>>24718017
This is just a notion I'm stealing from Roger Ebert (I agree with it greatly) but I think reviews should be able to stand on their own. I think a well-written summary is necessary for a digestible review, and it makes your points clear even to someone who hasn't read/watched it.

there's just too much noise out there, people whining, bitching and moaning and complaining about this and that, people are like little children, always unhappy about something
I wish the internet and the world will just explode and stop existing in one flash or some shit

You're clinging to a dying light. Help me snuff it out, so that I may create a new world in the oncoming darkness or die defending this decaying one."

i dreamt i was at this crazy work/college party thing that spread way across something like overwatch's junkertown map, and at one point i found pynchon lounging by himself, and i was like oh shit whats up bro... and some zoomer coworker came up like who the fuck was that old dude why were u acting so respectful, and i was just like he made some good art in the 20th century, not wanting to blow his cover, and he just sort of grinned at me as we walked to another part of the campus/worksite party whatever the fuck.

there was some other weird like some butch lesbians on some vertical climber machine like thing that was attached to a lumber mill device and they were like showing off crushing logs with it as some kind of attraction to the party, and later i thought someone stole my order of amazon books but they just got lost and i found them, and all that other dream shit.

Suffering on the toilet right now.

>>24717954
ba in history is all about time management, that's the skill you're flexing in that degree, like how stem degrees are testing how many trivial formulas you can memorize in 15 weeks, history degree is how many pages of dry academic texts can you plow through and then synthesize into some kind of presentable idea.

>>24717795 (OP)

GHOST OOFFF
PERDITIOOOOON

LINGERING DEAAATH

Another year being a wizard under my belt.

>>24717795 (OP)
The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog.

>>24718213
Hpy brdy

>>24718224
thanks

>>24718213
Happy birthday. Any plans?

>>24717954
>>24718039
Brother, papers are easy as hell. Inspiration or compulsion are the only ways to get shit done. If you arent on a full ride, allocate 2 days to writing, one day to prep, and one day to edit. If it's under 1000 words? That's like 3-4 hours tops. Do it in two hour chunks. Slap down any old thing, it'll be fine. Use the structure to your advantage and make sure you spend a solid 250-400 words restating your premise and supporting points between the intro and the conclusion. A counter argument and the counter to the counter can take up decent space. You got this.

>>24717932
But why? I say lie, it dont matter. But if you NEED it, minmax. Check your transfer credits, talk to the program coordinator. Review requirements on their website. Go through the summer. Boom, done. You may even be able to use your associates as electives and blast through 100 and 200 level prerequisites at the same time with permission.

>>24717847
He claims it's because he was well translated by himself
>>24717901
Keep reading these as being about Cpt. James T Kirk
>>24717982
>The eternal impulse to say dodecahedron
>>24718017
Imagine you're talking to two people, one who's seen it and one who hasn't who also hates spoilers. Anything you need to not mention in that conversation you should probably hide in review, but it gives you a lot of room to hint without giving away plot points.

I told my parents im glad Charlie kirk died and now they are pissy. But when that ceo died my dad agreed that he deserved to go. I dont get it

>>24718436
You have autism, it's okay. A CEO is a souless husk and the cock of capitalism; they all deserve it. Always. Random political commentator killed for ideology in front of a crowd in 4k slow motion? Different issue entirely. The ethics of the individual are irrelevant, mocking them two days after the event is bad taste.

I just had sex

>>24718446
inconsistent. looks like you’re arbitrarily privileging one scenario over another without justification. that’s not a moral principle, it’s inconsistent personal preference.

>>24718459
One is a nonstate actor prioritizing profit above all, by design, and is handsomely compensated by the nonperson with personhood that they work for in order to make line go up while disregarding everything else. The other is a paritsan mouthpiece of a particular ideology, and while you can debate the tastefulness of what they say, they are in general supported by the will of the citizens in their electorate for the purposes of changing a state's policy direction or voter tendencies. One is the literal embodiment of transhumanism, the arbiter of social decay, the other is some schmuck people didnt like because they werent on his team, despite having other people on their team that do the same thing. These are not alike at all. A civilized society doesnt kill political dissidents, and it is good decorum to recognize this. A civilized society does kill nonstate parasites when they go against the will of the citizens and the constitution for profit. That's treason.

>>24718340
>Any plans?
Not really as Im spending it alone.

>>24718436
Because a personality (even manufactured one) still feels more like a real person than a vague “CEO” whose face you haven’t seen, whose voice you’ve never heard.

Kirk was a propagandist first and foremost, like every other pundit from Hasan to Fuentes. His only goal was to present himself as likable to people who agree with him, and present his enemies as ontologically stupid and evil. And you’ll always be more sympathetic to the reasonable guy “debating” with a ghoul screeching “GENDER IS A SOCIAL CONSTRUCT.”

>>24718436
one actively ruined lives of millions, the other was just ragebaiting campus kids.

>>24718436
>im glad Charlie kirk died
Why?

Im getting addicted to this podcast. I know theyre silly but still.

If there is a universal recipe for a pleasant social interaction, I'm sure it includes alcohol in moderate to high amounts.

>>24718481
NTA, but you will never get people to rally behind kicking CEOs until you acknowledge the people paid to play damage control for them. Koch brothers paid for Tucker Carlson, who do you think paid Kirk?

And Kirk was far from a dissident, he had a direct line to the president and supported the pointedly pro-CEO administration.

>>24718511
Sticks and stones. Shouldnt have insulted me if you intended to discuss things with someone knowledgable, and that has nothing to do with my position, autismo.

>>24718520
Again, I wasn’t the anon who insulted you. And your rambling utilitarian response was contradictory and completely divorced from reality. CEOs dying is fine, but leave their mouthpieces alone? Weird and disordered way of thinking.

>>24718525
Sure seems like you were. What was the distinction in my argument? It was very clear.

>>24717795 (OP)
Feeling like a Swedish medical textbook's depiction of a masturbator right now

>>24718528
Officially the Standard Irish word for masturbation translates as self pollution (féintruailliú), but the colloquial generally uses hand festival (láimhfeis)

>>24718527
Obviously, you’d like a system where CEOs no longer exist, right? Which is why you seem to approve of their deaths.

So why are propagandists like Kirk (who directly support the establishment that props up CEOs) off the table, in your mind? People like Tucker and Kirk are paid handsomely to support the status quo, and would probably call you a violent extremist for suggesting that CEOs shouldn’t exist.

Your view is like a fat person claiming he wants to lose weight, but refuses to remove cake from his diet. You want to kick CEOs without harming the apparatus that keeps them in power.

Can you explain why, or will you just keep munching on cake?

>>24718509
time spent together

>>24718549
No, actually. That's your opinion and this is an issue with reading comprehension, not argumentation. If you could read and communicate adequately, I'd be happy to discuss it. But you cant and I have no obligation to engage in your inevitable hours long shitposting deluge.

>>24718555
It’s hard to deny reality when I can just link what you initially said:>>24718481

And now you're backtracking because your words words word vomit was just illogical to begin with. Imagine spending that much time on such a verbose response that got refuted so easily….hilarious. Btw you’re a ghoul for wishing death on anyone but that’s neither here nor there

took a walk and did some pushups and pullups, now I'm home and gonna watch a movie

>>24718509
You sound like someone who drinks until they can't remember the last 2 hours of the party, where they were disgusting and cringe and threw up everywhere, the day after anymore and then thinks he had fun.

>>24718571
>drinking moderate to high amounts
>blackout drunk, throwing up, disgusting behavior
Amazing how much people can project here just from their limp attempts to insult others. Like some retard walking up to beat someone with his belt and his pants falls down.

>>24718565
Tell me more things you've made up, I'm dying to hear them. You are unable to read the premise of my argument and restate it, and therefore I have no interest in discussing politics with you. You can try again, but I suggest you go for a walk and return to this conversation with better intentions, or go back to the board about this subject.

>>24718576
What the fuck do you think drinking high amounts leads to, huh?

>>24718577
>made up
I linked your response. Why are you still responding if you have no interest in continuing? If what I said was so completely wrong, you could have easily dismantled the things I mentioned.

But instead you just say “you read it wrong” and pretend like you’re going to leave and do something else. But you’re still seething here. Hilarious. I accept your concession.

>>24718584
We can play with the semantics of what “high amount” means, but the fact you projected that to inherently convey “puking everywhere and making an ass of yourself,” is more telling of you than anything else. That original post did not elude to that behavior at all….do you know what social drinking is?

>>24718584
The original post was about drinking socially. If you want to project asocial behavior like vomiting and belligerency to that, be my guest.

>>24718602
>is more telling of you than anything else.
And that tells you what about me? That I often go to social gatherings and watch people drink way too much every time?
>do you know what social drinking is?
Yeah it's when people get super drunk and embarrass themselves TOGETHER, which makes it A-okay in Western society, since orally injecting poison until you throw up has become normalized and even celebrated.

>>24718609
>And that tells you what about me? That I often go to social gatherings and watch people drink way too much every time?
You probably drink too much and assume everyone else acts the same way as you. Otherwise you would just realize there are people who can drink a high amount and not be belligerent.

This really isn’t that hard to get. Have you never been to a high-end bar or classy event serving alcohol?

I’m not angry. I’m just sad.

>>24717795 (OP)
how do you cope with pic related? i have better time sleeping than being awake

>>24718597
That sure is more stuff you made up. And you are correct, I can easily refute it because I am well read on the subject, but if you dont understand the premise and have no interest in it, I dont gotta do shit. It would be masturbation. You have 2016 tourist vernacular, you are unable to express the opinions of someone else, and you appear to have continued interest in not doing so. There's no candy for you here and I am telling you this plainly so you fuck off and get your dopamine hit somewhere else. But if you wanted to discuss political philosophy and were literate in the subject, I would have engaged you. You know, before all "this".

>>24718627
Is it plausible? I try to make it real.
Is it fantastical? I try to draw it or write it by making it my inspiration.

>>24718627
Try new things.

This sounds like self-help silliness, but your brain goes into a state of excitement when you engage in new situations. Like having a conversation with someone you’ve never spoken with before, or hiking somewhere unfamiliar and having to navigate new surroundings. Your brain starts exploding with all these possibilities that weren’t available to you until experiencing these things, so you’ll start believing you’re living in those fantasies instead of just dreaming them.

This is called maladaptive daydreaming and it might be bad too. But I don’t care

>>24718571
Over the last decade I got hammered exactly once and I regret it.
It's a slow and constant buzz what I enjoy.

>>24718628
>You totally misunderstood me and you’re not worth engaging with
>Which is why I keep responding with images paired with a slab of text each time you reply
You clearly wanted to continue, but you know I dismantled everything you said. So now you’re stuck seething like an amputee sprawled on the dirt. You’ve got no leg to stand on, why bother with the histrionics?

>>24718340
But what school do I go to

>>24718645
Because I wanted to discuss politics with a /lit/ poster and not a /pol/ poster. I'm dissappointed you lack the capacity because I would like to discuss it. Not only did you not "dismantle" anything, you dont even know what I said. Like what are you expecting here? To act retarded and insult me until I write a treatise? Step it up senpai, this behaviour might fly on a containment board, but you're pissing in an ocean of piss and havent said anything substantive.

>>24718685
>can't spell
>can't use apostrophes correctly
>still expects to be taken seriously

>>24718685
>Because I wanted to discuss politics
You’ve had plenty of time to do that, instead of having a meltdown over a conversation you should have been able to navigate easily.

If my fairly simple response is enough to send you spiraling like this, maybe it’s for the best you stop rage-replying and think about addressing something from my original reply to you. Or don’t, and move on. But this sperging is embarrassing.

>>24718694
Scare quotes are a correct usage of quotations, consult your style guide.

>>24718696
Aint even mad anon, this is the expected behaviour of containment board posters, and you are far from evocative. You could have restated the premise, you could have asked questions, you could have brought up political theory in any capacity. You didnt. And so it hasnt been discussed.

One of the greatest virtues of literature among the arts is its profoundly democratic character. Which is to say all one needs to write is a pen and paper, nothing else, no theater, no camera, no expensive instruments, or massive slabs of marble or countless tons of concrete.

>>24718712
You’ve repeated this, yet you continue responding. Why bother with a person with nothing by substantive to say? Are you trying to convince yourself?

You can’t say what I said had no substance if you continue replying. Then you’re just tacitly admitting the substance exists, but you’re incapable of engaging with it.

I had a nightmare that I was dating a hot black girl. It was a nightmare because people, blacks and whites, kept accosting us for being a biracial couple. We went down an alley way full of black folk on the way to a restaurant, and we could see the mean look on some of them but other ones actually were grinning and one high fived me and also overhead one who said "he must got a big dick." When we got to the restaurant I kept talking about vegetables to my date, like "have you ever heard of vivipary?"

>>24718726
>vivipary
She probably thought you meant peri peri chicken from NANDOS.

>>24718722
Nope. That's just stuff you made up; if you had formal logic and argumentation training you'd know this. I'm letting you dance a retard dance in front of a crowd for a variety of reasons that have nothing to do with your position. By all means continue, doesnt impact me.

>>24718738
>if you had formal logic and argumentation training
I would ask for your money back. Clearly they haven’t taught you much, beyond impotent seething.

I FUCKING HATE back-to-school commercials!!!
Those cocksuckers advertise schools materials EVERYWHERE for an entire MONTH AND A HALF!!
I HATE hearing the commercials whilst on vacation; I HATE seeing them during my birthday. FUUUUCK!!!

>>24718828
It’s time to buy a metric fuck ton of Clorox wipes and clip off the box tops for education.

>>24718807
Why would you ask for my money back if you had logic training? You've lost the plot. Addressing what you intended to say, that I should request my money back because it's ineffective, you wouldnt know because I wasnt arguing with you. I was telling you to fuck off back to your containment board. Your entire arguments single premise is only tangentially related to what I said, and not grounded in any literature or theory, while ignoring the entirety of my point. You've spent hours sophist posting like a door knob while making up random nonsense to justify it, and now your u mad posting 2016 style. As expected of country vegetables.

Why would anyone discuss anything with you? It would take longer to teach you the skills required to engage than it's worth.

>>24718879
>Why would anyone discuss anything with you?
You tell me. You’ve been rage-replying for literal hours. Kind of hard to pretend like it’s too much effort to explain when you’re more than happy to debase yourself here for everyone to see.

>>24718883
Yes anon, we know "u mad" is all you can say, and presumably the only paradigm you know, but let's ask you to use your brain. What's my goal here?

Would you date me even if you had to wipe my bum?

I never shed any tears for anything any longer, because my heart has hardened from countless disappointments. But sometimes I think about how much of a sex-obsessed pervert I still am while getting older and older, and it dawns on me that I'll never grab the tight beautiful perky ass of a 16 year old girl with that pristine young girl skin ever again and I just feel all my strength leave my body. I start thinking "Christ, I wish I were young again". My own body is starting to look old. If I were to fuck a pretty young girl I would feel disgusted, I would think "how am I allowed to do this?" because aesthetics rule my entire being, the loss of my youth and the inherent access to beauty that comes with those years has left me devastated. Why am I even alive if I can't feel that beauty under my fingertips, why am I not young anymore? Ogling only wounds my heart further. It's a secret activity. I don't want the joy of ass to the secret of a dirty old man, I can only accept dat ass it as something I can openly celebrate because I am in the where and in the when, like a happy little rabbit jumping out of joy in a field of grass because it's mating season. I cannot be that happy little rabbit. I am the old rabbit, one old fart of a rabbit who desperately wants a hole to fuck
Goddamit I love ass so much it's unreal

>>24718890
>What's my goal here?
To stall from addressing how this: >>24718481 and how my reply here: >>24718511 is related to that.

Imagine playing damage control by pretending as though you’ve forgotten what all this was about, when I can just link it here so easily.

I was really angry the day Charlie Kirk died, now I'm just tired, so tired of it all.

>>24718894
You should read The House of Sleeping Beauties by Kawabata

Nine Inch Nails is the best band of all time

>>24718911
I only read The Master of Go and frankly I found it really boring.
But thanks, I'll read it. I think only a Japanese man can drag me out of the depths of my horniness

>>24718902
Not at all you dense, dense, muppet. My goal is to allow you to publically act as according to your nature, so in the future when you post, it can be brought up as concrete reasons not to engage with you. That way /pol/ posting retards will fuck off, while leaving the option to discuss political philosophy with nonretards. I dont need to stall; your post does not address my point. This is called a non-sequitur, a conclusion or statement that does not follow logically from the initial premise. You are unable to articulate the distinction I was making, didnt acknowledge it, and lack the reading comprehension required to engage with it. You have performatively jerked yourself off over how clever you are in front of a crowd, and u mad posted like 20 times.

Here's the kicker, your point is some random shit you made up. Correlation isnt causation, that has nothing to do with the ethics of the distinction, and is entirely unrelated to my point. My point was, that the citizens of a state are obligated to behave in a civil capacity towards eachother by the sovereignty of the state and legitimacy of the government. This mutually extends to all members of discourse by virtue of democratic organization, the citizenship of the constituients, as well as the will of the participants. This does not apply to nonstate actors. While the nonstate actors may influence the will of the state, that's intrinsically irrelevant because are not sovereign, they are not legitimate governing bodies or their extensions, and to act against the will of the people is treason. Exactly what I said in the post you quoted, phrased in a more explicit capacity.

There will be no discussion with you from me on this topic. Why? You do not have the capacity. It has been repeatedly demonstrated at length, and there will be no further engagement. I am not "mad", I am disgusted. Go read, and if you'd like to engage in a substantive way, ball's in your court. You could have read it, you could have paraphrased it, you could have inquired if you have questions. You didnt. You jerked off over something unrelated. For hours.

Me being unloveable hurts too bad.

>>24718942
*smooch*

RIP DONALD TRUMP

>>24718940
>This does not apply to nonstate actors
Kirk founded and operated Turning Point USA, a nonprofit NGO. If you think individual CEOs are parasitic non-state actors, what would you call the founder of a NGO that generates $85 million in revenue?

If an individual CEO can be a non-state actor for acting “treasonously”, then the founder of a NGO (inherently a non-state actor) that facilitates that treasonous behavior should be considered the same.

Charlie didn’t deserve to die. We agree on that. Implying that CEOs should die is equally ghoulish, and inconsistent with your supposed beliefs.

>>24718960
That's nice, doesnt address my point whatsoever. If you'd like to discuss things further, I'd recommend you starting with Grotius and eventually getting to Noam Chomsky. Here's a pdf to get you started.
>https://historyofeconomicthought.mcmaster.ca/grotius/Law2.pdf

>>24718974
>Can’t argue with facts
>I’ll just say you didn’t understand and link something unrelated
I accept your concession.

>>24718976
Did you read the book? I'm pretty sure you didnt and it talks about the exact thing you're describing.

>>24718974
>Noam Chomsky
*rolls eyes*

>>24718828
At least you don't have to gay shit everywhere and wedding announcements during your birth month

>>24718981
You keep folding like a lawn chair each time I respond. How many times will you concede?

>>24718983
Hey, not my favorite guy, but manufacturing consent is bretty gud and also about the topic.

>>24718995
You didnt even glance at the table of contents. I have read the book, I referred to a variety of very specific political philosophy concepts, and you ignored them all completely. Go on then, get started. Surely someone as knowledgable and capable of yourself can read some of the foundational texts of international law.

I really like this temperature for America. America’s social and political climate should always be thought of in terms of its baseline condition: widespread gun ownership. In other words, it’s not Europe. Everything happens against the background hum of possible violence. It’s the Wild West. And especially if you’re an America First type guy… polite disagreement can’t be assumed as the default, anyone who pretends otherwise is missing the nature of the place.

>>24719015
>He doesn’t know NGOs are non-state actors
>Can’t conceive of treasonous non-state actors using networks of NGOs as their mouthpieces and shields to build legitimacy
You roll your eyes across the text, but you don’t comprehend a thing.

>>24719026
That sure has a bunch to do with Grotius, the thesis of my argument and the supporting premise and isnt at all a hasty posthoc rationalization of why you feel you should be ethically justified. Maybe you should read the book, just a thought. You are on the literature board. You're still in the 1600s, we havent even discussed the formation of republics or the modern conception of a state.

>>24719034
Again, if you’re not prepared to defend your word vomit with anything other than “please read these five authors since they agree with me,” then you’re admitting to be incapable of refuting anything.

You read, with no understanding of how to defend the conclusions you thoughtlessly adopt. Learn how to articulate yourself or get BTFO

>>24719050
I am prepared. You havent sufficiently addressed it, chum. You dont even know what the words I used mean, and refuse to read a text that explains it to you. Look at the table of contents, it pretty clearly defines everything, and is written in a literal axiomatic way, Spinoza style. You have been spoonfed, and here you are, little /pol/lack, writhing in your refuse, refusing to read, with no concept of argumentation, and nothing to support your opinions or arguments. You want to win on a big boy board, and your argument can be summarized as "nuh uh, he bad too" followed by "ghoulish", like you said initially. You dont even know what I'm saying at all.

>>24719064
So, when someone sends you this: >>24718960

…then you should reply with something that addresses it. If all you’re capable of doing is saying “so and so wrote about this,” then you’ve just demonstrated that you not only can’t articulate a response, but you probably haven’t even read the book to begin with.

You’re admitting that you have the answers as to why I’m wrong, but you’re still too inept to express it. No wonder you admitted that you needed to take classes on argumentation, you’re really flailing here.

>>24717849
>cosmic horror and weird fiction & folk horror
for me the appeal of this kind of writing is that it fits so perfectly with solitary walks through the drab and rainy low-density semi-rural zones where i've tended to live. the occult investigators of weird fiction return through to their attic rooms and pore over manuscripts, i to mine and pore over short fiction from preeminent american autists. between the uncanny and the cosy some kind of circuit is set up here that deserves serious research.

>>24717949
interesting. i think i get what you mean. hard to articulate it though. perhaps it's as if the desire expressed in the question already contains within it the clue to the answer, and so the fact they're posing the question in the first place suggests they're in some way alienated from their own desire. 'i want to get better at writing' expresses (i think) a desire to get closer to what you find fun and mysterious in the writing of others, and so the answer lies not with other anons but in those experiences your own soul knows best. same goes for empathy, or being human.

>>24718528
lol

>>24718543
lmao

>>24718714
in one sense i enthusiastically agree. but also you need an audience and a world about which meaningful things can be said. writing about autumn now is not the same as when john keats was doing it, writing about dreams now is not the same as when surrealists were doing it. all you need to write is a pen and paper and an entire cultural world behind you and a meaningful future waiting for you and your peers to bring it into existence.

>cosmic horror and weird fiction & folk horror
for me the appeal of this kind of writing is that it fits so perfectly with solitary walks through the drab and rainy low-density semi-rural zones where i've tended to live. the occult investigators of weird fiction return to their attic rooms and pore over forbidden manuscripts, i to mine and pore over short fiction from preeminent american autists. between the uncanny and the cosy some kind of circuit is set up here that deserves serious research.

>>24717949
interesting. i think i get what you mean. hard to articulate it though. perhaps it's as if the desire expressed in the question already contains within it the clue to the answer, and so the fact they're posing the question in the first place suggests they're in some way alienated from their own desire. 'i want to get better at writing' expresses (i think) a desire to get closer to what you find fun and mysterious in the writing of others, and so the answer lies not with other anons but in those experiences your own soul knows best. same goes for empathy, or being human.

>>24718528
lol

>>24718543
lmao

>>24718714
in one sense i enthusiastically agree. but also you need an audience and a world about which meaningful things can be said. writing about autumn now is not the same as when john keats was doing it, writing about dreams now is not the same as when surrealists were doing it. all you need to write is a pen and paper and an entire cultural world behind you and a meaningful future waiting to be brought into existence by you and your peers.

>>24717849
>cosmic horror and weird fiction & folk horror
for me the appeal of this kind of writing is that it fits so perfectly with solitary walks through the drab and rainy low-density semi-rural zones where i've tended to live. the occult investigators of weird fiction return to their attic rooms and pore over forbidden manuscripts, i to mine and pore over short fiction from preeminent american autists. between the uncanny and the cosy some kind of circuit is set up here that deserves serious research.

>>24717949
interesting. i think i get what you mean. hard to articulate it though. perhaps it's as if the desire expressed in the question already contains within it the clue to the answer, and so the fact they're posing the question in the first place suggests they're in some way alienated from their own desire. 'i want to get better at writing' expresses (i think) a desire to get closer to what you find fun and mysterious in the writing of others, and so the answer lies not with other anons but in those experiences your own soul knows best. same goes for empathy, or being human.

>>24718528
lol

>>24718543
lmao

>>24718714
in one sense i enthusiastically agree. but also you need an audience and a world about which meaningful things can be said. writing about autumn now is not the same as when john keats was doing it, writing about dreams now is not the same as when surrealists were doing it. all you need to write is a pen and paper and an entire cultural world behind you and the promise of a future waiting to be brought into existence by you and your cultural peers.

>>24719072
Oh neat, you're copying me and quoting yourself. That's nice and all, but it has nothing to do with being inept; I'm disdainful. You have not read anything. You do not have any literature to support you. You came from /pol/ to /lit/, refuse to read, refuse to understand the basis of logic as a concept, and have the hubris to say that I dont understand argumentation. I have explained my premise, you did not engage with it at all, and now you want me to teach you. I have been insulting you, you have not addressed my initial premise. You dont even understand what it is.

This is an argument. Let me break it down: my thesis is that you are not worth having a conversation with. My first supporting premise is that you cannot diagnose my initial premise. My second supporting premise is that you refuse any and all engagement with the argument. Your counter argument is that yes, you have engaged. My counter to your counter is that sophistry is not engagement, and you do not even have a cursory understanding of argumentation. My third premise is that even when spoonfed, you refuse to engage conceptually with the nature of the content. Your counter is that I should spoonfeed you. My counter to your counter is that, if you have no intention lf learning, it is a waste of my time, as demonstrated over the course of the thread. Therefore, you are not worth having this conversation, and I have not engaged in it with you. Any questions?

I'm writing a paper on industrial policy and competition in the 21st century. What are some good books to help inform my opinion? A friend of mine said I should read Galbraith, and I do have a copy of pic rel. I really want to mindfuck my professor with the Chinese perspective, but I feel like he'll catch on quick, lol.

>>24718501
Kirk supported the genocide of Gaza and was thanked personally by Netanyahu.

Should I even bother writing anything in an age of algorithmic copies being preferred and letting my own soul erode to a binary ballad?
Everyone lies and says they enjoy what I write, so why would I hope that I'd get even a few hundred bucks a month for it?

>>24719092
Kirk was beginning to change his mind on Israel and giving a platform to antizionists. He was killed to send a message to those like him who are wavering. Even most leftists don't understand that which is what breaks my heart the most.

>>24719087
Maybe if you took more classes on argumentation, you know that people have to actually respond to the things that the other side is saying, instead of pontificating in a stream-of-consciousness babble about how much they’ve read. You know that isn’t how people communicate ideas, right?

The fact you can write this much while conveying essentially nothing is hilarious, by the way. Either address what I wrote or concede by continuing this circus of pretension. You’re the clapping seal of /lit/.

>>24719093
surely it all depends on whether you enjoy writing

>>24719087
This a textbook case of unchecked NPD.

>>24719100
Incorrect. This is how ideas are formally communicated. An argument is a thesis with supporting premises. You do not know what those words mean. Any follow up questions, or should I refer you to supporting documentation, verifiably retarded illiterate /pol/lack who has lost so hard he has regressed into smug posting?

jimmy dean blueberry griddle cakes mmmmmmmmmm

>>24719111
>Either address what I wrote or concede by continuing this circus of pretension
I see you’ve chosen the latter option. I accept your concession, again.

>>24719117
Goodbye smug illterate /pol/lack. Enjoy the taste of my nuts. Be gone and read before you return.

>>24719131
Imagine seething this much because you don’t understand what you’ve read. I’m sure hyperlinks are convincing to the folks on /pol/ you evidently hang out with a lot.

This guy has a huge forehead. What level IQ you think he has?

>>24719139
People love sources?

>>24719164
12? Maybe 13?

>>24719164
He vaguely resembles the geoguesser guy

Probably exactly 100 IQ

>>24719170
naw head too big

>>24719173
Yeeee skittles in thurrr.

>>24719024
kek hard agree

>>24719176
Is the gun truly the foundation of America as such?

>>24719179
There’s an argument to be made for that. But I don’t even think that’s the point anon was making exactly.
You’ve got to be on smoke.
You don’t live in a country where people aren’t beat up or shot for opinions. It’s a fundamental (& frequently defended) part of your country. Maybe a core thing separating the US from the old world (England especially).

beginning to realise there are things I took for granted that I didn’t even know were things. as a 6’2 basically goodlooking person. and, truth is, if I were 5’8 I’d have probably killed myself by now.

>>24719101
When I'm not being beaten down by life and the disappointment I wasn't able to reach the level of other maestros who can compose and draw on top of writing not through lack of ability but lack of time to nurture my talent, sure.

Am I gay? Asking for a fren. I mean yeah I did suck off 3 dudes behind the public library today but they each paid me $5. Money isnt gay right? I just really needed the money for bus fare to get back to my home city of San francisco

>>24719207
>paying for SF bus fare
That’s a good one.

>>24719206
NTA but this read likes someone who isn’t a humanities person. not apropos of anything but you could probably be an efficient engineer with less trouble and probably more benefit to the community at large.

All I have is hatred for religious and political systems, I could probably try to think positively about things that would be beneficial to support, but it's extremely difficult. Maybe it's just war that I hate, but I'm not sure.

>>24719222
often seen among bleeding-heart types. except hate is far worse for the soul than war.

>>24719214
I guess it's too bad I have a liberal arts degree and an antipathy for that field well into adulthood. I have had to take care of my sick and dying relatives for my entire life which has sapped all the time I could have had to become someone.

>>24719239
not sure how to reply to this only that it’s not how an artist would say such a thing. yeah it honestly is too bad.

when i play mobas or fps games i sometimes think gee society would be a lot better if 75% of the people who play these games just didn't exist

i never have a great time in multiplayer games (unless i'm with friends) but there are plenty of times they have completely ruined my mood

>>24719258
There's just too many people existing in general.

I wonder how many billions more will be minted during my remaining decades? 5 billion? 10 billion? And with most of the world unable to handle Chinese-style herd management, favelas are going to become ubiquitous.

>>24719272
99% of people would be happier living in a favela

>>24719263
Good birb

i can't really handle it man i can't get along with other people. perhaps that's why i went to books so early as a kid. i have a habit of reading drug trip stories and the one unifying factor is they are all very poorly written, because the type of person to sniff glue or gas is almost always a low inhibition moron with very dull senses, whereas those with a literary bent as a rule lack worldly experience because they are so sensitive that ordinary things cause them brutal pain. this is even true for hemingway, who only stayed so active because a simple moment of peace or respite filled his head with suicidal thoughts. i don't have any solution either. when someone does something bad, i just think, "this person needs to die". it's immature but i can't think of anything better. i can't go out and live a peaceful, happy life interacting with people now that i know the nature of people, how predatory they are. that's why i went to books.

>>24719283
The apocalyptic levels of migration into the West says otherwise. Nobody is beating down Brazil's door to go live in a dirt-scrabbling sub-trailer park existence.

>>24719295
>Insensibly he formed the most delightful habit in the world, the habit of reading: he did not know that thus he was providing himself with a refuge from all the distress of life; he did not know either that he was creating for himself an unreal world which would make the real world of every day a source of bitter disappointment.
— from 'Of Human Bondage' by W. Somerset Maugham

>>24719300
yep we’re all so happy in the west aren’t we!
we did it as a case study in sixth form geography. stronger communal ties, petty crime is actually lower, more culture. kevin mccloud himself was loving it https://youtu.be/Im0tHRs9Bng?si=3uASOgEnYDf3IsfW

>>24719249
Not sure where you're coming from claiming an artist can only say something one way. It sounds decidedly uncreative and indicating a stilted mind closed to other perspectives. By any chance are you one of the people I spoke of earlier who prefer AI and feel slighted by my observation?

I'm a 30 year old American highschool drop out. I've never worked an official job so on paper im a need. I plan in getting my HS degree. Is it too late to achieve my dream of going to university to study poetry? Its something I've always wanted but never had the opportunity for. I don't know if I can even get scholarship

>>24719303
There a section in Spinoza's Ethics named Of Human Bondage

>>24719331
>Is it too late to achieve my dream of going to university to study poetry?
you don't need to waste thousands of dollars to study poetry, especially in this economy.

>>24719325
did i say that? think all i really said in this scenario was an artist wouldn’t say something this one specific way.
must’ve missed your earlier observation. . im not american so i don’t know how bad the liberal arts courses are there but its starting to sound like you haven’t even got that.

The philosopher's consolation is knowing that suffering itself will die, along with everything else.

>>24719331
Why the hell would you ever do that?
Also how do people without even their HS diploma end up on the fucking literature board?

>>24719352
This too shall pass.

>>24719352
will it tho?

>>24719331
There are ways to do it. I knew someone without a high school diploma/GED who registered for continuing education classes at a local university and then used those credits as part of his application to an HBA program as a mature student. A lot of undergraduate programs accept applications from mature students who do not have a high school diploma, if they first complete a certain number of credits as a non-degree student and achieve a minimum GPA.

>>24719347
>did i say that? think all i really said in this scenario was an artist wouldn’t say something this one specific way.
So you're saying that they can only say things the way you think they should be able to, which doesn't disprove my point. Are you by chance ESL?
>must've missed your earlier observation
You blithering moron, follow the post chains before you chime in or don't bother. It's thanks to demoralizing like this that helped grind down my will.

>>24719357
This too shall pass.

>>24719356
It absolutely can be done. I know someone who doesn’t have a high school diploma, and yet has completed his bachelor’s, master's, and is now working on a PhD in English. You won’t get accepted as a mature student if you have no education at all and are barely literate, obviously, but if you have some sort of past education (dropped out of highschool before graduating, were homeschooled but never got a formal GED, etc.), have good literacy skills, and just lack a high school diploma, they’ll allow you to prove your proficiency by taking university level credits as a non-degree student at first, and achieving above a specified GPA.

Your other option is to earn your GED first, or earn your high school diploma if you only have a few credits outstanding, and then apply to university. This can often be done by taking online/correspondence courses, at least in Canada.

>>24719384
eh? no i’m saying a artist wouldn’t say it THAT way. that isn’t the same as saying only one way exists. are you esl? … or so literal-minded that you can’t tell the difference (& don’t belong on liberal arts courses)
>follow the post chains
why would i ever do that? you really aren’t a /lit/ native.

>>24719388
Think you replied to the wrong post.

>>24717795 (OP)
Man, this Stanford Court joint’s a racket. Two nights here and it’s like sleeping in a damn bus station, drunks hollering, cars honking, engines grinding all night. They call this luxury? The room’s a shoebox, bed’s hard as a barstool, and I’m tossing like a bad poem. That Latina waitress, she’s got eyes for my wallet, thinking I’m some high roller, winking and leaning in with every watered-down drink she slings. Unprofessional as hell. No Hamoud Boualem either! My one solace, and they don’t stock it. Nob Hill chewed up my favorite shoes, soles flapping like a drunk’s jaw. I’m itching to split, get back to my typewriter and some quiet.

>>24719407
Why can't they say it that way - no, it's not the exact same but it's still saying that you're not allowed to word something one way or else you're disqualified. Which country do you hail from, anyway?
You're right that my wording was loose but you're being pedantic about a 4chan post when you're perfectly capable of grasping the context, which makes your accusation of being literal minded sound like projection.
>why would i ever do that
Because you were actually interested in what I had to say by replying in the first place?

>>24719413
You asked why someone with no high school diploma would even want to study literature at a university level. I was providing an example to show that it it’s possible, and not even that uncommon, for someone to have that interest.

When I said:
>You won’t get accepted as a mature student if you have no education at all and are barely literate, obviously, but if you have some sort of past education (dropped out of highschool before graduating, were homeschooled but never got a formal GED, etc.), have good literacy skills, and just lack a high school diploma, they’ll allow you to prove your proficiency

the point was to explain that not having a high school diploma doesn’t automatically mean someone lacks advanced literacy skills and is incapable of participating on forums like /lit/, and studying literature at a university level. There are systems in place to account for non traditional educational paths, and not everyone who didn’t graduate high school is ignorant or incapable. That’s what you were implying, and that’s what I was correcting.

>>24719413
You asked why someone with no high school diploma would even want to study literature at a university level. I was providing an example to show that it is possible, and not even that uncommon, for someone to have that interest.

When I said:
>You won’t get accepted as a mature student if you have no education at all and are barely literate, obviously, but if you have some sort of past education (dropped out of highschool before graduating, were homeschooled but never got a formal GED, etc.), have good literacy skills, and just lack a high school diploma, they’ll allow you to prove your proficiency

the point was to explain that not having a high school diploma doesn’t automatically mean someone lacks advanced literacy skills and is incapable of participating on forums like /lit/ and studying literature at a university level. There are systems in place to account for non traditional educational paths, and not everyone who didn’t graduate high school is ignorant or incapable. That’s what you were implying, and that’s what I was correcting.

>Be me, into relatively kinky porn
>IRL sex is very vanilla
It’s one of those things where I prefer for the fantasy to remain a fantasy

>>24719454
Actually I just meant why the hell would you study poetry at uni. Obviously you can go to university as a 30 yo HS dropout. That might even be their demographic at this point.

>>24719459
Lmao, fair enough.

>>24719449
england. but for some reason i feel like i’m letting some side down by surrendering this information.
you’re arguing with a position i never took. it was just an observation, not prohibition. the fact you can’t see the difference explains why your posts read like they do.

Why does English do the whole comma into noun thing? Like "listen up, boy". It feels so reddit.

>>24719463
>the fact you can't see the difference
>You're right
Right there, I conceded my point to you and afterwards asked you to cut me a break, yet you persist in this demoralization attempt regardless. I'm not sure what you're trying to observe - you've also failed to elaborate on why an artist couldn't word something some way. I actually find that very interesting and I'd love to hear where you've picked it up.
>england
It is north of 2AM for you. That does explain why you keep skipping over my posts to argue with your mind already made up, but it's a waste of both of our time. In fact up to this point you've not addressed a single aspect of the post I first made.

>>24719474
you're reddit

>>24719474
Boy is a vocative clause.

finally friday night i've got two whole days to fuck around

>>24719476
1:30 actually.
and … yeah. there’s something about the cut of your jib i dislike. was i unclear about that?
funny that you call it ‘very interesting’ only after losing the argument. that, too, isn’t how an artist would say it.
if you want me to spell it out, it’s already a lost cause.
i haven’t read the first post you made. first thing i’ve seen from you is the soul-rending about not being a renaissance man.

u can tell this is just another normie site cuz it's dead on the weekend

>>24719533
yeah I wish. it’d be 100x better here with just like 3 or 4 more normies

>>24719537
don't get me wrong i'm so sick of internet extremists and other edgoids, but i also can't vibe with people who go out on friday night and do stuff

>>24719540
should go without saying someone spending their friday night with a girl is a million times better than another autistic weirdo

>>24719546
yea but not better than spending it alone

>>24719504
>1:30 actually
It's past 2AM for you now.
>that, too, isn't how an artist would say it
And according to what metric, you bloody tosser?
>if you want me to spell it out, it's already a lost cause
Is that referring to the fact that you're unable to elaborate and want to run away but don't like the idea? That explains why you're insisting that I 'lost' when the only thing was that I conceded the point that under your pedantic insistence the wording could've been tighter. Absolutely nothing else.
>i haven't read the first post you made
Then why have you continued to argue lacking the context visible if you read the post the other anon replied to?
>not being a renaissance man
You are extremely sheltered to not know that there are many people who have exhibited talent multiple fields. That you try to talk down to me with vague wording when you should have understood my mindset does paint you as the very person I outlined in my first post. Your professed ignorance and refusal to read, combined with a demonstrated inability to explain, is a pattern I've encountered. You also didn't seem to pick up on my circumstances, which tells me you've had a fortunate life.
You don't use 4chan outside of /lit/, do you?

>>24719546
i agree but but that's my point, this site is now full of guys spending friday with girls instead of posting here. where did all the autists migrate to? sharty?

What's with the all lowercase posting like you're a teenage girl, retard?

>>24719554
now it is.
ah god, not the autistic greentext point by point reply…
& now it’s my fault for stating a taste-based observation clearly. i’ll be sure to consult your metric next time before speaking.
>You don't use 4chan outside of /lit/, do you?
not since i was a teenager (and even then only /mu/ and /tv/, thank god)

>>24719568
>and even then only /mu/ and /tv/
Then why the fuck are you trying to lord over me claiming I'm not from /lit/ when you're a retarded pseud spouting the same hot air and running away when you're confronted like every other retard from reddit - with everything covered up with snark? I was legitimately curious and tried to establish a dialogue except you bitched out and kept trying to turn things into an argument because you didn't know a thing about me and only tried to demoralize?

>>24719551
hard disagree

>>24719331
I'm a 30+ year old American college graduate. It's worthless.

>>24719594
don't believe these guys who have degree but tell u it doesn't do anything, they benefit from it without realizing it, even something dopey like poetry will let you negotiate higher salary in any job

>>24719588
you’re flailing. how do you survive on those other boards if you’re so easily rattled? i’m basically being nice.
if that rant was your idea of a legitimate dialogue, then you’re proving my point better than i ever could.

>>24718942
Why do you think you’re unloveable?

>>24719604
My tits aren't big enough

>>24719606
it might also be that ur a dude

>>24719606
my whole life I thought I didn’t care about big tits. but just recently I realised every girl I think is nice or clever or funny actually does happen to have big knockers.

>>24719602
>i'm basically being nice
Being a catty passive aggressive bitch who's clearly not from 4chan and despises the website and its natives is the furthest thing from being nice.

>>24719609
compared to what any other anon would say about your embarrassing behaviour… i’m being nice.
>clearly not from 4chan
not an insult on this board.

>>24719093
Don't you, lurker, find it interesting that the second respondent immediately urged me to surrender my life to the machine by becoming an engineer, then becoming resentful when I resisted?

>>24719613
>any other anon
Is that what the pseud who already admitted to not understanding 4chan culture is saying?
I close it here. My solace is that you're not long for this website and I've been here many times before.

>>24719619
christ

>>24719558
discord.

mostly, the people you'd actually want to talk to are all in private discord groups now. its a reversion to the 80's subculture thing where you have to know the right people. public spaces that are actually good are a thing of the past. even the public spaces for "intellectuals" are really bad.

if for whatever reason you're bad at making friends then it's rough right now.

>>24719628
I guarantee you don’t want to be in the discord.

>>24719613
Yes it is? You realize this is where some of the oldest of oldfags lurk. What's embarassing is when you come somewhere new and try to swing your clout without taking a lay of the land. It's fine to be from somewhere else, but respect and decorum will dictate the terms of engagement, and if you dont know who you're talking to, it would be foolish to make assumptions without data.

>>24719632
the /lit/ discord?

either way it doesn't matter. literature itself has been swallowed by the politics behemoth. when you think of "good literary discussion" in current year i want to know what you have in mind.

>>24719632
I was banned from a /lit/cord for the crime of writing once. It was an unforgettable experience.

>>24719644
this the same person who said they were closing it there?
>without data
this must be someone with a real feel for literature and the arts

>>24719653
I was doing coke every single day for a 4 month period in 2022 and ended up jointing some 4chan discords and had some genuinely scary experiences

>>24719646
Going to a good university and being sharp enough to make friends with actually clever people or working in the good part of the London media scene

>>24719608
Personality is stored in the boobies.

>>24719681
i really believe something like this.
ugly girls always have hot friends
hot girls have ugly friends
goodlooking girls are nicer - being attractive gives you good qualities
being tall makes you modest, being short makes you proud

>>24719657
First, no idea what your talking about. Second, I study art as a passion project beyond my degree in the subject, I routinely go art openings, and I've been published for poetry as well as childrens lit. While many people here are idiots, not everyone is, and if you lurked you'd know that.

>>24719691
>your
you’re
>childrens
children’s

>>24719085
>>cosmic horror and weird fiction & folk horror
>for me the appeal of this kind of writing is that it fits so perfectly with solitary walks through the drab and rainy low-density semi-rural zones where i've tended to live. the occult investigators of weird fiction return to their attic rooms and pore over forbidden manuscripts, i to mine and pore over short fiction from preeminent american autists. between the uncanny and the cosy some kind of circuit is set up here that deserves serious research
Ummmmmmmm fuck yeah my man. Wish I had an attic library/study room like picrel.

Is it okay if I take a break from reading today? Is that okay /lit/? That i take a break?

>>24719706
i’m a published poet btw!! i have all these ‘08 reaction images i still use! i write children’s books and offer up this information to strangers on /lit/ at the drop of a hat

>>24719712
No. No breaks on this crazy train. The ride never stops. Read EVEN MORE. Do it. Do it now.

>>24719718
Yes. Would you like to talk about how Goya was a proto post modernist by virtue of his "black" period, but Bosch is modern, or about how Warhol is modern while Rothko oscilates between modernism and post modernism? I can also tell you how to respect your audience when writing for children without writing down to them, and that poetry does not need to be gay, though the majority of people who write it are faggots.

>>24719733
Insufferable.

i'm up five pounds in weight :(

>>24719733
who do you think you’re kidding?
just sounds like bluffing with half-digested survey notes.

>>24719691
>I've been published for poetry as well as childrens lit.
Anyone can put their book on Amazon, or use some shitty vanity press. You aren't special.

>>24719741
>>24717353

>>24719733
Warhol has a whole series of stitched up fauns, pls

>>24719740
The Goya thing is quite interesting, and isnt really widely discussed, but I understand you've gotta posture when out of your depth.

>>24719747
You know it's not very difficult to check someone's power level about such things.

>>24719754
amusing, thanks

>>24719759
goya is widely discussed as a proto-modernist (to the point that no one trying to impress someone would wheel out that observation, it was old-hat even by the time picasso was saying it), not a ‘proto post modernist.’

titular, eponymous

>>24719757
Which ones in particular? The majority of his most popular work is not postmodern, notably Marilyn and his various campbell soup prints. The shoes are done in the colour pallet of post modernism, but there still is a thought behind it. It's done tongue in cheek, with the modern "wink" as it were, in order to prove an intellectual point. The main differentiating factor between modernism and postmodernism is the "nauseau"; the invocation of a feeling that is absent without the viewer. From my perspective, I look at it like a kind of angst, but it's a break from modernism because modernism is about the schism between romantic art and the industrial revolution, where the focus of painting shifts from glorifying what is in a representational sense, to creating something symbolic that engages the intellect, whereas postmodern art is about applying the philosophy of modernity to modernity itself to conjure a feeling in pastiche. Take Francis Bacon as a contrast. Sure the soup can transmutes the field and consumption then comodifies it, but figures at the base of crucifixtion isnt "about" jesus or relgion, it's an expression of the feeling when confronted with the reality that the symbolism is no longer relevant to the situation.

A lot of modernism uses the pallet of postmodernity but doesnt actually capture the essence. Like it's nice to think of art epochs as a linear progression, but I think there is a lot of overlap between the periods. Nude Descending A Staircase and a lot of Dadaist photography is about capturing the feeling of motion, where as like Otto Dix is about the reconsiliation of transhumanism as a result of the industrial revolution. There is no "wink" in the Nude, but there is in Dix because his subjects are still human despite appearances.

Not this guy again

>>24719778
Eh, not that widely. I'd love to read more if you have some texts I could look up. He's often spoken about in a modern context and you can see a lot of his influences in Picasso's earlier portraits. Let's take the classic Saturn Devouring His Son and compare it to Carrivagio with like Narcissus. There is no message with Saturn, the viewer is confronted with the nature of the image and they need to reconsile what they're looking at without framing. Narcisuss, by contrast, has a reasonable amount of symbolic depth to it and a clear message, which is more modernist. That's the distinction in my books.

I feel like people undervalue the reciprocal nature of politics when they talk about how politics work. Like people don't choose an ideology as much as they are forced into a reaction by the actions of others around them and vice versa. Politics is the area where two political bodies are forced into contact by history and nature, and ideology is the way they clash and bend over, under, or around each other like tectonic plates during earthquakes.

>>24719800
you’d have a harder time finding an early 20th century artist who didn’t talk about goya. the modernists generally disliked caravaggio, picasso (since we’re on the subject) dismissively called him ‘cinematic’

>>24719789
>in the colour pallet of post modernism
Anon, you need to stop trying to aggrandise what you're saying to the point of nonsense. I can't post most of his most postmodern work, because it is the reason why academic photography never took off in academic art, which forged the way for modernism: if you make a photo of human figures as classical figures, that is pornography. His classically posed nudes have as much dick as his explicit porn snaps of everyday life, but they are classical references on modern media demonstrating one might survive the other despite pornographically rendering itself in the medium which destroyed that narrative.

>>24719805
Not that anon but do you think Goya is perhaps overrated a bit for political reasons? It's not a coincidence that his simplistic anticlericalism or starry-eyed view of the enlightenment follows discussion about him everywhere.

>>24719805
I meant in the frame of post modernism. I get how contemporary modernists would love him because his work has that surreal quality to it while simultaneously being grounded, but I havent seen a lot about the lack of narrative or the invocation/transmutation aspect of his work. Picaso is a bit of a stick in the mud, and I usually prefer his earlier works. Caravaggio had that narrative patina I enjoy a lot more.

>>24719808
That's still modernist because it's presenting a narrative with a clear message and expression of a specific thought. But fair point about the colour pallet thing, I got into an argument with someone about this recently when they were trying to frame anything grotesque and uncomfortable as post modernism.

>>24719816
>hat's still modernist because it's presenting a narrative with a clear message and expression of a specific thought.
No, it's presenting something which obligates people schooled in academics to say
>That's a classical reference nude
And everyone else to say
>That's porn you can see his dick, Andy a gay
Unless you're a formalist then you're like
>Amazing shadows

>>24719816
>his work has that surreal quality to it while simultaneously being grounded
very pedestrian approach
ah yes picasso, that infamous stick-in-the-mud. a regular delacroix.

>>24719811
the overrated/underrated issue leaves me indifferent. and a lot of the talk about him is about technique (he had some intuitive methods for his etchings).
though probably you are overexposed to him when you don’t really know many artists, to the point that if i had to choose a favourite enlightenment artist i’d say ‘anyone but goya’

>>24719833
Pls don't bring Delacroix into this he did nothing wrong and he has good tips about how hair catches light

>>24719837
i actually like delacroix (not as much as ingres obviously but)

>>24719841
I think we can leave both of them out of it. Feel free to keep shit talking Picasso though

>>24719847
picasso is obviously super and i can’t fathom how basic you’d have to be to prefer his early works. he did his best work in the 60s.

>>24717795 (OP)
Hard to explain why we all know eachother in this situation or why we were all grocery shopping together. But there's this cute quet kind of grunge girl who was having trouble with her heavy bag, lifting it out of the car. I asked if it was heavy and if she needed help. She paused and said um like she wanted to say yes but an annoying gay man interrupted with 'Noo, you got this (name), c'mon'. Then an older man who I don't think even heard him or me but just noticed the bag was big and grabbed it for her.
I've just been thinking about that recently. Thinking back on it I just find the attitude of the gay man so repulsive. For one I found her cute of course and wanted to help. But also just in general it's stupid.
I was raised on lotr, Narnia and similar noble in spirit books. What warped that man to interrupt something so small because it has the smallest hint of chivalry.
All well. On a very related note, I've been thinking about idolizing women, platonic ideas about idealiziations in general, and the Virgin Mary. I was getting back to my Catholic roots and it's nice to have Our Lady back. A real embodiment of feminine perfection. A woman you can actually put on a pedestal and deserves to be there. They say 'dont idealize women' but I think you should, like all things. And realize how big the gulf is between what could be and what is, that's the fallen world. Don't confuse real women with their ideal, but love the ideal, and insofar as real people embody the ideal (feminine or masculine or beyond that) then look to that as what's good about them. I'm probably going through some 'Jungian' stage in developing my anima, don't like Jung though, I've recently just been happy thinking about ideal femininity without attaching it to any actual woman Ive known or expect to ever know in this world. It feels like being free.

I had dream where christopher poole(moot) gaped me outside of wal mart, then he shoved a vial of pozzed cum up my anus, telling me:"this payback for what you did to the computer lab"

It took me half a decade to start questioning race relations in America. Normie conservatives reached that point in the span of a week after the death of Charlie Kirk and that one Ukrainian woman.

It's scary how fast things are moving now. Kash Patel saying that he would meet Charlie Kirk in Valhalla was funny though.

>>24719822
I can buy that, I didnt really consider a conceptual angle creating the disconnect. I was all on my high horse about the presence of any narrative or direct making it modernist. Neat, thanks anon.

>>24719856
Cont. And similarly on the Catholic theme. What a saint is isn't even someone whose perfect but who recognizes their imperfect and complete inability to become perfect and is ashamed of it, but keeps trying. This even matters for physical beauty, St. Therese found spiritual fruit in contemplating her physical perfection, glorified body, in heaven as the bride of Christ.

>>24719853
He's still a dickhead

>>24719853
Still prefer the clean surreal stuff and the early experimental stuff, but there were absolutely some bangers in the 60's. Credit where credit is due.

are you guys really looking forward to the age of civil war or whatever bullshit comes next
i just compare that to what we had 20 years ago and it seems like such a downgrade

Whenever I see or hear women express some sort of batshit crazy political opinion, I cope by remembering that women are not like men, they do not have actual opinions about the world that are not easily subjected to change due to them resting on innately held principles, they just echo the most popular discourse in their vicinity really fucking loudly, whatever that discourse might be. Women are water, they take the shape of whatever container you put them in, they are all give and zero firmness. Whatever a woman thinks now, and whatever she will think five minutes from now does not have to be consistent at all, they recreate their entire world from scratch every fifteen seconds.

I feel immense guilt over actions that are not even sinful, malicious or harmful to anyone. But I feel it nonetheless. I know a girl who I care about very much, who is a genuinely great person with kindness, vulnerability and intelligence. When she tells me about her isolation I really feel for her, when she talks to me every few weeks or so I can feel the peace in her words. But I won’t marry her or let her talk to me in a more serious way even though I suspect she wants to, and it’s only because I don’t find her attractive. She isn’t ugly, her body is actually great even. But her face has no discernible beauty. And I can’t bring myself to have a relationship with a girl I couldn’t see myself kissing, even though I know she’s a good person who any guy would benefit from marrying. My judgment feels cruel and unfair, but I can’t help it. I’m scared to even talk to her more knowing she might increasingly desire me and I won’t be able to satisfy her.

>>24719914
Nothing ever happens (and that’s a good thing!). I give it two weeks and we are back to where we were before this week’s craziness

>>24719918
Were you the anon posting asking about whether guilt can be evil a while ago?

How do you think you'd react if you found out the chicken nuggets at mcdonalds were made of human meat and have always been made of human meat? I'm just curious to see what people's reactions would be.
I think I wouldn't willingly eat human meat but if I found out I unknowingly ate human meat before but was perfectly fine right now I'd be pretty much okay.

>>24719924
let's just ignore ten years of rising tensions...

>>24719930
I'd be asking if there's spinal cord and brain material

>>24719932
why? spongiform encephalopathy?

>>24719933
general prion diseases yeah

>>24719918
If she actually has feelings for you, you should break things off now before she gets more attached. Otherwise, you're just leading her on. But keep in mind there's no guarantee you'll ever find a woman interested in you who is both a great person and an ideal beauty.

>>24719931
The right will never do anything and the left doesn’t need to (they will win at the polls come 2026). Nothing will happen

>>24717909
>>24717921
I’ve only read the conference of the birds but I thought it was quite good.

>>24719928
No

>>24719941
I don’t talk to her much, once every few weeks, she’s definitely too shy to approach me more even if she’s interested. I want to talk to her more just to be there for her as a friend but I know it would never stay that way if I kept talking

its a miracle of nature that organisms can adapt to environments so ridiculously oppressive it beggars belief. i am like one of those low creatures clinging to geothermal vents whose only reprieve is ignorance

shut up
just shut up

Studying for my HLLQP.

>>24719604
I never been in a relationship therefore I've come to this conclussion.

Smoking a dart.

>>24717967
No one?

Way, way too many people give their opinions without knowing what the fuck they're talking about.

>>24719956
Different anon. I think you should keep talking to her. Its important to her and you like her as a friend. If she realizes that you won't reciprocate her romantic feelings then let her change her tone, if she can, or distance herself. This relationship is important, keep it.

>>24720028
Then why post here about how much it hurts? Go out and try to meet women.

>>24720071
Thats not happening anon. I have nothing to offer.

>>24720072
Well, stop making whiny posts itt about how much it hurts and go find something more productive to do.

>>24719943
The last week has shifted me from a tentative Democrat vote to 100% Republican for the midterms. If and when the progressive left is brutally crushed and antifa is treated like the klan was then I'll vote for the left. Not a moment before then.

I live in a swing state, too.

>>24719887
picasso never had a clean surreal phase. early picasso is blue, rose, cubism.

>>24720081
>If and when ... then I'll vote for the left
Retard

way way way too much noise in this thread
too much information it's making my brain hurt

>>24719283
Just because you live in a favela in Brazil, doesn't mean the rest of the world wants to live in one too

>>24720097
i live in a favela in england thank you very much

>>24720090
Actual liberals are mostly fine and the oil and gas and corporate grift shit needs to be crushed as well.

Having a bedtime coffee.

Why do leftists, typically of the Gen Z or Gen Y variety, think there's some sort of big, draconian, regressive movement of people out there bent on taking us back to the pre-civil rights age? Is it a desire for a fascist boogeyman or is it a product of delusion & hysteria?

>>24720165
faster dreams