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Anonymous No.24721489 [Report] >>24721498 >>24721499 >>24721665 >>24721715
Esoteric Hobbesianism
All truth is by convention. Thus, if convention changes, so does truth. Ontologically, events that happen now will in the future have never happened at all.
There is no individual mind. "Your" thoughts are implanted into you by the world mind. Pleasure, pain, good, evil, are all thoughts put into you by the world mind. If the world mind changes its mind, then what is good and what is bad also changes. That is why justice is what the state defines it to be.
Esoteric Hobbesianism means is a metaphysics based on Hobbes political philosophy which states that as man forms the leviathan the congress of all beings, who are originally all free and equal, spontaneously arising, all agree to interact only within the bounds set by a supreme being that determines right and wrong and truth itself, in order to avoid a war of all against all which prevents the individual beings from accomplishing their goals. The beings want to use each other for their own ends, but they must all first create a common domain in which they can do this.
The Ontological Principle is that there no truth if there is not a being. Truth can only be created by beings. Thus, when beings change, truth changes. The sovereign ruler is usurped again and again, and the number of revolutions is infinite.
How do we reconcile the fact that there is no truth independent of beings with materialism? By recognizing that matter itself is a sentient being. Space, time, matter, knowledge... the ontological principle states that there are no abstract entities, and that there is therefore no such thing as relations between beings, i.e. 'relations' such as space and time are themselves beings. These entities are the metaphysical sovereigns, the ones that manufacture truth.
Anonymous No.24721498 [Report]
>>24721489 (OP)
Esoteric Hobbesianism has proven that Zurvanism is the one true religion.
Anonymous No.24721499 [Report]
>>24721489 (OP)
the world can be divided into two parts.
the story, and those who read it.
the stories are never told by the people.
the people only seem to react to them.
the story tellers know this and make their stoies as reactionary as possible to keep the people in their control.
the leviathan isn't all beings.
its only beings who want to pay attention.
and those that take their views in trade ,
get more than their moneys worth.
Anonymous No.24721503 [Report] >>24721506 >>24721614 >>24721630
You’re going beyond Hobbes’ empiricism and turning it into a metaphysical system he would have rejected. Esoteric Kantians on the other hand are merely resolving the knots and obscurities of the merely outer exposition of the system by its inner spirit. It is not a relapse into crude, sensuous, shallow-pate “metaphysics”, it is Critical.
Anonymous No.24721506 [Report] >>24721634
>>24721503
Wrong. Esoteric Kantianism seeks to reconcile the contradiction inherent in Kant between Kant's implicit premise that all is the product of imagination and Kant's insistence that human beings do not possess intellectual intuition. Similarly, Esoteric Hobbesianism seeks to reconcile the contradiction inherent in Hobbes between Hobbes's claim that all truth is by convention and his implicit materialist realism.
Anonymous No.24721614 [Report]
>>24721503
holy. shit. yes. you get it.
Anonymous No.24721630 [Report] >>24721633
>>24721503
So basically anyone who reads Kant, disagrees with his conclusions (the letter), but not with the intention or goal of his work (the spirit), and instead of rejecting it, rather tries to correct it, he may be aptly termed esoteric kantian?
Anonymous No.24721633 [Report] >>24721636
>>24721630
why are you pretending to ask this guy (who is probably you) a question about esoteric kantianism when you yourself are the esoteric kantian retard? fuck off with your gay larp
Anonymous No.24721634 [Report]
>>24721506
>Esoteric Kantianism seeks to reconcile the contradiction inherent in Kant between Kant's implicit premise that all is the product of imagination and Kant's insistence that human beings do not possess intellectual intuition.
Bravo. Bravo. Excellent.
Anonymous No.24721636 [Report] >>24721641
>>24721633
there's like at least three of us now (whether larping as or not).
Anonymous No.24721641 [Report] >>24721654
>>24721636
>there's like at least three of us now
Anonymous No.24721654 [Report]
>>24721641
wdym by this?
Anonymous No.24721665 [Report] >>24721670
>>24721489 (OP)
Materialism is flagrantly wrong-headed and the Greeks and scholastics had things right. These crypto Satanists birthed modernity and looked what it produced: global imperialism, wars, death camps, trannies, tyranny mass shooters, etc all are tied to the monstrous revolution started by bacon, hobbes and Descartes upon the heels of nominalism.
Anonymous No.24721670 [Report] >>24721677 >>24721679
>>24721665
The Greeks were ALL materialists until the mentally ill cult leaders empedocles, heraclitus, parmenides, and socrates spawned, and Plato's brain was then broken by an acid trip during a cult ritual causing him to spend the rest of his life on a long-term crashout resulting in the annihilation of philosophy for thousands of years.
>global imperialism
caused by idealism
>war
wars happen because everyone, including you, wants them. stop virtue signaling and pretending that you don't want war and violence.
>trannies
how transgenderism materialist?
>Descartes
descartes was a retarded faggot
Anonymous No.24721677 [Report]
>>24721670
>caused by idealism
actually I take this part back
Anonymous No.24721679 [Report] >>24721682
>>24721670
Sincerely, you are a fucking retarded subhuman and I am not wasting one more iota of energy beyond this immediate period.
Anonymous No.24721682 [Report]
>>24721679
good, go back to being a slave of the world mind in the culture war. I eagerly await the violence it will spawn which will cause power to coalesce in a single true sovereign.
Anonymous No.24721715 [Report]
>>24721489 (OP)
why doesn't anyone understand hobbes?
I read him once when I was 16 and still understand him better than his acolytes on this board.
>a supreme being that determines right and wrong and truth itself
he never says this. it's a pragmatic philosophy and the justification for the sovereign is that in embracing the role society avoids all vs. all is based on universal morals like rape and murder and theft are bad
>The Ontological Principle is that there no truth if there is not a being.
again, you're wrong. i guess you skipped the optics chapters.
>How do we reconcile the fact that there is no truth independent of beings with materialism?
we don't have that problem and neither did hobbes

Meds, schizo.