Thread 24729498

are they out of their minds?

>>24729498 (OP)
don't know about the baghavad gita, but the bible contradicts itself constantly and its coherence suffers because of it

>>24729511
Bible/Gita are similar and contradict themselves but little, unlike this 'book' here

>>24729522
>but little
The entirety of christian theology is just one giant attempt to reconcile each of the four gospels' christologies plus the entire old testament, using middle and neoplatonism

This is expected since the bible was written by countless different authors, some of which don't even claim to be inspired. The Qur'an on the other hand is just one book by one author

>>24729526
>The Qur'an on the other hand is just one book by one author
a crappy author, unlike Bible/Gita

>>24729498 (OP)
They are indoctrinated from childhood.
according to some study muslims are so indoctrinated that their iq significantly dips between their early teenage years and early thirties when they start to think for themselves

>>24729498 (OP)
The baghavad gita is just a war propaganda story to convince shit eating indians to kill each other. It's really not that remarkable

>>24729600
muslim detected, muslim ignored

>>24729529
what a non-argument. (nearly) 2 billion people disagree.

>>24729498 (OP)
WYM dawg? Surah 5 is spittin FR FR

33. The punishment for those who fight God and His Messenger, and strive to spread corruption on earth, is that they be killed, or crucified, or have their hands and feet cut off on opposite sides, or be banished from the land. That is to disgrace them in this life; and in the Hereafter they will have a terrible punishment.

>>24729810
This made me giggle. EINEM STINKERBUS!!!

>>24729600
I'd tell you to eat shit but you already do that

>>24729498 (OP)
>better than the Bible or the Gita
No one thinks that unless they're Muslim

>>24729638
Rupi Kaur was loved by millions. Your point?

>>24729498 (OP)
Can someone tell me what are the most important Sures to read cause Im not reading all 500 of these things

>>24729526
>The Qur'an on the other hand is just one book by one author
...heavuly edited by one person who put in whatever he wanted in it....

>>24730851
sura 47.
blah blah make war blah get into paradise blah blah yay rivers of alcohol.
might also try sura 56 which explains paradise and how it's full of girls, bananas, and twinks.

>>24729889
This is a good example for a book which proclaims to be clear,
1) we don't know which punishment should be given as they greatly differ, I don't see muslims crucifying people much nowadays.
2) we have no context, does it apply to Mhmd in his time as an answer for a precise situation (like oathbreakers backstabbing muslims) or forever to all non-believers?
It is no wonder that muslims differ so greatly in their practices. Even the order of the surates is non-chronological and supposes you to know the historical events.

>>24730677
The Qur'an inspired a whole civilization, including its ethical code, legislation, science, literature etc. Rupi Kaur certainly hasn't. To claim that such a book is "crappy" is dismissive low iq behavior.

>>24731790
>put in whatever he wanted in it
how do you know?
>inb4 33:57
why does your conception of god necessarily leave out the possibility of him looking out for his prophet if he feels annoyed, socially anxious or awkward?

>>24732077
the specifics are clarified in the hadith. the quran itself does not claim to not need any form of commentary or interpretation. the quran itself claims that it could be misinterpreted by bad actors for gain.

the verse itself is interpreted to be about hirabah, which is banditry, what we see some muslim diaspora doing in western nations

>>24730518
why would you not be muslim if the quran convinces you?

>>24732089
>The Qur'an inspired a whole civilization
wrong. It only destroyed civilizations and left a husk of its former self in life denying dogma.
There is no mulsim, science, literature or whatever it is just the muslim hammer hadnt reach those icons yet to destroy them.

>>24732124
there is an english translation of ibn al-haytham's refutation of ptolemy(i think) floating around on the internet, where he argues through semi-theological means, for something resembling the scientific method or even epistemological anarchism.

ibn taymiyya too, who was a cleric first an foremost, argued in a way similar to (later) wittgenstein against the very foundations of (greek) philosophy - an extension of his understanding of the qur'an and sunnah.

and ibn hazm was ibn hazm.

>There is no mulsim, science, literature or whatever it is just the muslim hammer hadnt reach those icons yet to destroy them.
by saying this, you are attempting to describe a tree without its roots so to say. the nature of your post is polemical rather than descriptive, anyway.

>>24732150
Islam didnt grow in a vacuum. Much is jsut copy paste of Judaism with the protagonist prophets war waging tint. Its iconoclasm and anti-life of a people against themselves. Christianity had its iconoclasm moments as well, but kept them sporadic and parochial. Muslim thinkers are, as you said, just semitic interpretations of pre abrahamic cancer thought, if Greek, Sumerian or Egyptian.
Islams most characteristics are just anti-world and life denying. Anything that survives that cancer is not islamic in origin.

>>24732154
>Much is jsut copy paste of Judaism with the protagonist prophets war waging tint
Except judaism is a race-religion. A jew can't deal usury, except with goyim. A jew must not kill, except goyim. The Qur'an directly deals with this, see pic related. You just think that because you were likely brought up *antinomian*, as if the Jews are the sole arbiter of the Law. Might I remind you of the saying of Jesus:
>Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice *lawlessness*!’

>anti-life, life-denying
It is christians who consider it virtuous to not marry and multiply(despite the explicit commands to do so in the bible) and the jewry who push the goyim towards extinction through homosexuality, usury, contraception and abortion. while islam affirms life: its very concept of paradise is life without limitation and pain, a world of constant pleasure and bliss.

>iconoclasm
islam is just anti-simulacra

>>24732309
forgot pic. i'd add that the islamic conception of heaven includes *seeing* the absoluteness of god, without veils nor through simulacra.

>>24732319
>>24732309
I dont take any desert belief seriously. They are all just product of sectarian infighting and stultifying debasement of Greek thought.
Just as Christianity was platonism for the (semitic) masses, so is Islam in its highest forms just dumbed down greek thought introduced into an antithetical belief system.
All semites deserve to hang no matter what ugly garb group they belong to.

>>24732347
>t.

>>24732347
why? do you think truth has anything do with geographical location or genetics? that doesn't make any sense.

>>24732537
Gods movement might idle in certain geographical and historical places and only some of his moments shine through.
I am not gonna pretend rocks too can think just so desert people seem less subhuman. Islam is a cleansing fire of any thinking presence to god. Just as mongols were a cleansing fire to overwrought cultures. Anything touched by either has lost higher being.

>>24731793
>sura 47
>sura 56
both of these seem quite dull even with the banana tree, alcohol that doesnt give headaches and twinks being mentioned kek such homos

>>24732999
you don't seem very curious

>>24729498 (OP)
It's even more boring than the Bible

Ask muslims which of the over thirty korans is the legitimate one

>>24729526
There’s no way one author wrote it since the prophet of said book couldn’t write. Also already mentioned, but the qoran was selected by a few calif and other copy destroyed >>24732089

>it inspired a civilisation
So did the text of Zoroastrianism, the Iliad with the Greek, the Indian cosmology canon, the nihon-sho gi in Japan and several Chinese canon, not to mention the text and oral epic of Norse and pre Colombian culture, also the Bible, you’re point being ? You seems very quick to condemn Indian for their shitty culture, while forgetting they are 1 billion of them, so, does quantity still equal quality, little sand nigger ?

>>24732150
Your quick to forgot most of those Muslim rationalist got their thinking through Greek work, rejected or critiqued their religion, and rationalism was then forbidden in Islam, nice try though

>>24732309
Muslim imitate Jews by treating non Muslim with the same behavior as Jews with goym.


And yes Christian definitely marry and reproduce. Some just decide to join monastic order for dedication. So I don’t

>>24732357
You have the face of someone who marry their cousin for 10 generation between two goat rape. Shut the fuck up Ahmed

>>24732077
Qur'an is strong. Strong as muscle. It's you who doesn't understand it because scholars are unanimous on this after years of study. Besides why would you, a non-muslim, have anything to say about what's clear? Your people don't even know what gender you are.

>>24734603
Try not to blow up a bus today ahmed

>>24729526
There are no contraditions in this dogshit religion because the rapist warlord that started it said so

Muzzrats are pathetic. Legit less than human

>>24734576
>You have the face of someone who marry their cousin for 10 generation between two goat rape. Shut the fuck up Ahmed
Yes, I'm an atheist, how could you tell?

>>24729498 (OP)
I truly cannot understand it either. The Qur'an is a quite simplistic text, mostly based off of rhyming the ends of words. It can sometimes have a nice interesting sound to it, but I would not describe it as beautiful or inimitable as the Muslims believe. In connection with this, the Qur'an is one of the strangest works of human literature. It feels like a discount version of the Bible, reads very clunky, the dialogue is bad, its phrasing repetitive and simplistic. I simply cannot view the Qur'an as a great work of literature.

The Bible on the other hand is truly sublime in some areas, think of Psalm 23, the discourses of Jesus, the pathos of it all, the humor, the insight into the human condition, the sheer depth of history, authors and genres. I have never read the Bible in its native languages, but the beauty and depth is palpable.

It is the same with the Gita. It is a book of great wisdom, I love to hear the recitation of the Sanskrit, Krishna teaches Arjuna many things that even as a Christian I can concur with. It too is greater than the Qur'an.

The Qur'an is no more than a riff off the Bible in the Arabic tongue, full of Jewish and Syriac Christian influences. A sort of primitive Arab poetry.

>>24729526
>The entirety of christian theology is just one giant attempt to reconcile each of the four gospels' christologies
Lol, even the Gospel of Mark teaches a divine Christ. Cope

>>24729526
There are plenty of contradictions between the Quran vs. the Hadith.

>dad was raised a pretty religious muslim
>around his teen years to early 20s he realized it was all bullshit
>never taught me anything about islam
thank you dad

>>24736073
I think the difference in literary quality between Bible and Koran is reflected noticeably in the manner the societies they inspired behave. Islamic society is sterile and backwards.

>>24737476
I think the sterility of the Islamic world really only became the norm since the 18th century when they were overtaken by rising European / Christian powers. This has been devastating for the intellectual life of the Islamic world, which has become increasingly exoteric, sterile and intellectually bankrupt. Not that the West is doing much better nowadays, but the world created by Christians is markedly superior to that inspired by the Qur'an.

>>24729498 (OP)

My favorite religious text is "The Imitation of Christ" by Thomas Kempis.

That was an aside.

https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/1653

The Koran confirms the Torah and the Gospel. It does not present itself as superior or even as a replacement if you actually read it. Religious scholars confirm the truth of books like the Gospel of John, the Johannine Injil, in congruence with Islamic thought.

The Christology of the Gospel does not contradict the Koran at all.The Gospel of Luke (Luke 4:8) commands Monotheism. It is quite literally the way of Jesus Christ, salallahu alayhi wa salam, to worship only God and God alone. It is the First Commandment (Exodus 20:3) of Moses, salallahu alayhi wa salam, in the Torah. It is the religion established by Abraham, salallahu alayhi wa salam. Monotheism. God is One. Oneness of God, Tawhid, is the entire religion of Islam.

It does not replace the Scripture, it confirms it, and is assembled directly from divine revelation rather than a later consensus of a theological committee or religious body. It is the Hadith where Islamic scholarly debate takes its form, and it is a secondary work to the Koran. The Hadith is massive.

This is why Islam exists, why the Koran was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad, salallahu alayhi wa salam. To guide humanity back to worship of God and God alone, as every prophet has commanded.

Muslims do not worship Jesus Christ, salallahu alayhi wa salam. Muslims worship God, and this is truly following the way of Jesus Christ, salallahu alayhi wa salam, and all prophets.

Theologically speaking: Jesus Christ, salallahu alayhi wa salam, was a Muslim and so were all prophets before him. Islam means submission to God. Monotheism. Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad, salallahu alayhi wa salam. Worship God and God alone. This is the importance of the Koran.