Thread 24783746

The state of literature in 2025 is beyond parody.

https://archive.ph/0ZeJQ

Why are they just rewriting Camp of the Saints?

>>24783746 (OP)
Eh, I wish I cared honestly. Its the academics. Been saying that for awhile now.

Can we go more than two hours without /pol/niggers posting more outrage about about shit no one cares about?

>>24783757
Yeah it's funny how this makes me nostalgic for 2010-2015 when I still felt even a little "don't you see how they're ruining culture!!!" hope/despair, hope because I guess I still felt something could be done by addressing it, despair because I felt like the whole world had gone mad and no one was addressing it

Since 2015 I've just been waiting for fascism to come and near 100% confident it will so I guess I've been a lot calmer

>>24783746 (OP)
It’s been like 15 years of this crap who has the energy to care?

>>24783769
>I want an authoritarian ruler to trample his boot on my face because they gave some book awards to a bunch of homos and browns
You people are absolutely pathetic

>>24783778
>You people
all i see is anonymous replying to anonymous

>>24783778
Nobody believes your dishonest portrait when an authoritarian system is actively doing everything claimed of fascism in the cause of miscegenation and faggotry, Moishe.

>>24783798
Please tell me about the time the government sent out paramilitary squads to force you to bend over and suck on some black dudes cock

>>24783746 (OP)
The people in charge of these awards are a bunch of out of touch fags circle jerking to imagined oppression while they hold the levers of power.

>>24783769
You want fascism because a now inconsequentially tiny literati on the coasts read bad books? We already have fascism, its mass illiteracy and marvel movies. 10s of millions watch capeshit, have a sexual relationship with ChatGPT, haven’t read a page of a book in a decade and don’t know what Gaza is. After fascism kills the pink haired girl who annoyed you once, it also kills humanism and literature and Christianity. It buries human culture. The fascism of yesterday’s IG Farben is nothing compared to what’s been constructed today by Silicon Valley fascism, which has totally colonized the private, day-to-day human conscious experience, people can’t even have internal lives anymore, just doomscroll. You got what you wanted buddy. Just how the fascism of yesterday was never actually about le based Arno Breker homoerotic sculptures and trad architecture, today’s isn’t about white picket fence nuclear family home ownership, it’s just death. It always ends with death.

>>24783810
Tell me about the time a fascist paramilitary would have done this with a White dude‘s cock I guess? I don‘t know, a bit surprised by the speed at which you jumped to your porn fantasies.

>>24783821
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gottbegnadeten_list

>>24783769
I don't think you'd like fascism.

You can’t be fascist and anti-gay

>>24783867
>a bit surprised by the speed at which you jumped to your porn fantasies.
Please understand, leftoids can't help themselves

>>24783871
Neither would you.

I'm working class and pay zero attention to academics and their slop. I read literature for pleasure and personal fulfilment.

>>24783944
>I read literature for pleasure and personal fulfilment
You don't belong here.

>>24783763
Maybe when every single piece of literature stops being alt left communist manifestos about how sucking dick and taking it up the ass is better than a homogenous society people will stop talking about how gay and racist contemporary literature is.
>cant we just have complete dominance over you in peace?
No.

>>24783746 (OP)
>saaaarrr we create climate crisis do letting us to emigrate create climate crisis for you saar
>the book

>>24783944
>I read literature
wrong board

>>24783944
Look at this dood, I bet he doesn't even spend half his day being angry on the internet

>>24783959
No ones forcing you to read them.

>>24783959
>sucking dick and taking it up the ass is better than a homogenous society
These things aren’t incompatible. The Great Replacement was coined by a homosexual

>>24783821
Fascism is here and it's going to kill/arrest antisemites and hindupobes.

>>24784032
>and hindupobes
I no longer like fascism

>>24783871
>your only two options are "do nothing while everyone becomes a retarded fag" and "evil empire kills everybody"
No

>>24783821
That's not really fascism.
If you want to see what real IRL fascism looks like, come to live in Estonia for a year.
>13 of 14 signs of Umberto Eco's Ur-fascism present (even /pol/ has less of them)
>Reich's Mass psychology of fascism is proven correct daily
>Proves correct Adorno's Authoritarian Personality
>Proves first wave postmodernists like Foucault correct
>A nation size sample that proves the correlation between low IQ and right wing and fascism
A lot of you, Internet people, both /pol/ fascists and lefties, have actually no fucking idea what fascism is and how fucked up it is to live in a fascist country. You're all operating on fantasies.
>Orange Alzheimer retard does something retarded
>OMG ITS THE KRISTALLNACHT
>South African Chinese sperg does a Roman salute for lulz because he's Internet fried
>OMG THE CONCENTRATION CAMPS ARE NEAR
Wish it were so frivolous and hyperbolic in Estonia. How fucking wish it were.

>>24784705
>Eco's Ur-fascism

lol

lmao even

>>24784065
pretty sure all that ejecta would fall back to earth and kill a lot of non-indians

>>24784705
What’s it like? I thought Estonia was a land of high tech programmers

>>24784063
Isn't the ultimate solution to go back to monarchy and aristocracy? Clearly representative democracy has proven to be an absolute disaster from a cultural and sociological perspective. In the end it was the reactionaries who were right.

>>24784705
I just looked at Eco's list and I see 12 of 14 signs here in the US.

If it's so bad, then where are the good writers? Where are the good books written by people on here? Where are the young men forming secret societies and intellectual circles like literally all the world leaders and artists before us?

>>24784003
Why am I hearing about it then? Oh, because it was forced onto the mainstream until every single book on the market became a homogenized assault on the mind, instead of staying in the poofter corner where it belongs.

>>24784816
Well, speaking for myself: I've gotten about half a dozen short stories and about a dozen poems published under my own name. Mostly in small venues, and only one ever paid me serious money. I've tried to get published at some of the big dog places like the New Yorker and the Paris Review, but no dice. This despite one of my poems actually being nominated for a Pushcart Prize a few years ago.

I have a major work I've been working on in installments for five years now, and there doesn't seem to be anyone who wants to take a chance on publishing the first book, so my plan is to put it up on a website I'm having built tailor-made for it, sections at a time, releasing it serially. Fortunately I have a decent social media presence which should hopefully help me slowly build an audience, if people think the story is good.

None of the big dogs seem to want to take a chance on me so I'm going to try to get my stuff out into the world myself.

>>24783746 (OP)
A boy's best friend is his mother

>>24783930
Wyndham Lewis looks pretty gay lol

>>24783930
And yet, in the present age, the actual facts of the matter is that it is the Left that pushed for the legalization of gay marriage, and now pushes for the total abolition of marriage as a meaningful entity in civilization. All the while the Left, in turn, tries to say that men can become women, and women can become men.

How does your chart respond to that?

>>24783746 (OP)
Why are you pretending this is a controversial or even remotely new topic for literary fiction?
Wait, I think I have an idea.

>>24783933
>>24783867
Was this supposed to accomplish something other than prove him right, you absolute fucking imbecile?
>>24784740
Looks like a Russian bot is having a melty.

>>24784933
You do understand that you are completely full of shit, yes? Who exactly do you think you're going to convince on 4chan with this pathetic faggotry?

>>24784951
Who championed the legalization of gay marriage?

>>24784947
>>24784951
nonsensical hyperaggressive response that hooked on keywords and misfired

>>24784951
>if i respond to things like a whining woman and turn every statement into a question i will win
No you will be gay

>>24783930
>communism wins again
chuddies...our response..?

Nobody is actually reading ANYTHING anymore. Its all just a potemkin village of propriety where the "correct" novels are lauded and everything else ignored. Its that vonnegut concept about the roulette wheel.

The only books being read anymore are womens romantasy slop trash.

>>24785206
I read books! I'm reading Jacquest the Fatalist by Denis Diderot!

>>24784933
>pushes for the total abolition of marriage as a meaningful entity in civilization
Are you literally schizophrenic? No one pushes for that

>>24785229
Are you capable of engaging with anything anyone says without immediately resorting to ad homs and incredulousness?

>>24785242
It's not an ad hom it's an objective description, believing that the left pushes for the total abolition of marriage as part of its current political agenda is schizophrenic because it is not grounded in observable reality

>>24785246
He said the total abolition of marriage as a meaningful entity.

It's a little hyperbolic but it's definitely not a far stretch from what the left is pushing for now ostensibly.

>>24785246
the "left" promotes marriage only so far as it makes work for divorce lawyers.

>>24784864
Homoerotic poetry has been pretty common in a lot of major societies throughout history. Its not gonna go away just because it upsets your delicate sensibilities.

>>24785261
And just what do you think the left is pushing for now?

>>24783757
It’s not academics. It’s groupthink from a BioLeninist coalition of women, sexual deviants, minorities, Jews, and physically inferior white men. The primary foot soldiers are women. They’re the cause of bias among academics. They’re the cause the bias among publishers. They’re the cause of bias among the media. They’re the ideological foot soldiers of all this shit everywhere. If women were forced back into the home and politically disenfranchised all this leftist bias would drop by 60% overnight.

>>24783746 (OP)
The second is probably a better example of why woke art sucks. I have no problem with political statements or messages in art, and I do genuinely believe that some of the best art made was borne of humanistic sentiments, but it’s completely performative and you can tell by how many intersections of identity and contemporary political issues they try to shoehorn. It can’t be that they’re a gay man trying to live among straight people, they have to be a brown atheistic cultural-Muslim transgender amputee stranded on a melted ice cap floating through car centric infrastructure.

>>24783746 (OP)
Straight white men don't write anymore. All the creative types are now podcasting entrepreneurs. Productivity culture, which emerged from womens liberation and the ensuing competition for jobs, killed whitey's love for the arts and anything else that doesn't get dat cheddar.

>>24785770
Only rare women who pass an Honorary Man test should be able to vote

>>24783763
unfortunately no. it's been pretty bad on this site as a whole, but the 2024 mutt election exponentially exaggerated and accelerated the culture war bullshit slop, practically to the point where some boards are straight up unusable now because it's an endless shit-flinging, echo-screaming political match, no matter the topic and no matter the thread.

>>24783746 (OP)
Literature is dead, this is just maggots turning its rotten flesh into compost. Let it happen.

>>24784933
I think you're spending too much time on twitter or x or whatever the fuck it's called now. Nobody's pushing for any of that other than some reactionary schizo nobody with 2 likes on a twitter post that calls for that.
Step away from the computer and take a walk outside. The internet isn't real life.

>>24783930
I support lgbtq rights however what Engels said is also correct

Fuck em. Write the story YOU want to hear. Do you give a fuck about some award? I sure in the fuck don't.
That is what I'm doing.
[spoilers]https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/135386/boomer-revelations-a-heavy-metal-apocalypse[/spoilers]

>>24785229
Please read Engels, the dude explicitly wants the abolition of marriage.

>>24785694
The abolition of marriage as a useful entity, or at the very least the de-prioritisation of it as a culturally significant thing.

>>24783746 (OP)
Do we actually know if these books are bad? Has anyone read them?

>>24786322
And how is 'the left' doing that?

>>24786114
but did you actually read him? he talks about the abolition of the family altogether

>>24786349
By advocating for it socially and politically.

all marriage is gay marriage

>>24786323
I swear to god the amount of /pol/ tards just seething about identity politics with no consideration for the actual literary merit of anything has increased. Like who fucking cares about subject matter so long as it's written well? These retards would probably seethe about their favorite books if they were alive when they came out

>also pic related

>>24783778
The #1 thing fascists want is to feel cool and popular. That's it. When cultural institutions don't cater to their taste, that's literally the worst thing in their minds, worse than losing all rights and freedoms, becoming poor, dying in a war, anything.

>>24786389
>who fucking cares about subject matter so long as it's written well

Would you read a well written literary scat porn tribute?

>>24786375
Yes, and that’s not a good thing. These materialist thinkers keep trying to go up against what is the idealist human nature, and it never works. There’s a reason the only societies successfully reproducing themselves (Muslims, Amish, ultra-Orthodox Jews) use social systems with religious backing and which have worked for centuries.

>>24786088
normal leftist women are incredibly anti-marriage now, and anti-children, as evidenced by the enormous butthurt produced recently by taylor swift getting married and making songs about her husband. they actually, unironically think people marrying and having (white) kids is fascist, and this is a mainstream opinion a random normie woman in an office might hold, not something limited to extremist internet spaces.
>Step away from the computer and take a walk outside. The internet isn't real life.
i did, it was all people looking at social media on their phones. the internet has been real life for a while now.

>>24786401
Not a Joyce fan, I see.

>>24786401
>She turns. “Hold up my fur.” He obeys. “Be careful. Don’t touch my skin.” Earlier in this game she was nervous, constipated, wondering if this was anything like male impotence. But thoughtful Pointsman, anticipating this, has been sending laxative pills with her meals. Now her intestines whine softly, and she feels shit begin to slide down and out. He kneels with his arms up holding the rich cape. A dark turd appears out the crevice, out of the absolute darkness between her white buttocks. He spreads his knees, awkwardly, until he can feel the leather of her boots. He leans forward to surround the hot turd with his lips, sucking on it tenderly, licking along its lower side... he is thinking, he’s sorry, he can’t help it, thinking of a Negro’s penis, yes he knows it abrogates part of the conditions set, but it will not be denied, the image of a brute African who will make him behave... The stink of shit floods his nose, gathering him, surrounding. It is the smell of Passchendaele, of the Salient. Mixed with the mud, and the putrefaction of corpses, it was the sovereign smell of their first meeting, and her emblem. The turd slides into his mouth, down to his gullet. He gags, but bravely clamps his teeth shut. Bread that would only have floated in porcelain waters somewhere, unseen, untasted—risen now and baked in the bitter intestinal Oven to bread we know, bread that’s light as domestic comfort, secret as death in bed... Spasms in his throat continue. The pain is terrible. With his tongue he mashes shit against the roof of his mouth and begins to chew, thickly now, the only sound in the room...

Whats the problem with this?
These are genuine current era lived experiences
and if its not your life its ever more important to read these clearly exceptional authors share their stories and make society better for them

>>24786399
Wow. You make fascists sound like completely normal humans.

>>24783930
All right then, why not write a fascist-scifi that explores the themes of homosexual love being the only true form of love, and the fasination that non-Westerners have with post-WWII fascist streams of ideology. I'm sure you'd win an award or two

>>24786401
If it is well written then it is by definition worth reading

>>24786449
very evasive way of saying yes...

>>24786449
Actually here's a funnier question that points out how absurd it is to think subject matter isn't important...

Would you read well written literary child porn?

>>24786465
Well, Lolita is regularly cited as a great novel….

>>24786458
>evasive
If you're autistic, maybe

>>24786465
Porn is by definition not literary, because porn serves as masturbatory material, not art. If you're asking if I would read a well written novel about pedophilia, then yes I would, because, again, if a novel is well written then it is by definition good art.

>>24786469
There's no explicit porn in Lolita.

>>24786475
No autism required at all. Your response was essentially just a euphemism.

>>24786481
Yep, you're on the spectrum

>>24786465
>She smells like soap, flowers, sweat, cunt. Her long hair falls to the level of Slothrop’s eyes, fine and black, the split ends whispering across the small of her white back in and out of invisibility, like rain... she has turned, and sinks to her knees to undo his pleated trousers. Leaning, brushing hair back behind her ears, the little girl takes the head of Slothrop’s cock into her rouged mouth. Her eyes glitter through fern lashes, baby rodent hands race his body unbuttoning, caressing. Such a slender child: her throat swallowing, strummed to a moan as he grabs her hair, twists it... she has him all figured out. Knows exactly when to take her mouth away and stand up, high-heeled Parisian slippers planted to either side of him, swaying, hair softly waving forward to frame her face, repeated by the corset darkly framing her pubic mound and belly. Raising bare arms, little Bianca lifts her long hair, tosses her little head to let the mane shiver down her back, needle-tipped fingers drifting then down slowly, making him wait, down over the satin, all the shiny hooks and laces, to her thighs. Then her face, round with baby-fat, enormous night-shadowed eyes comes swooping in as she kneels, guides his penis into her and settles slow, excruciating till he fills her, stuffs her full...

>>24786483
You gonna triple down on your ad homs with your response to this message?

im sure a nazi faggot on Thiels payroll is a great arbitrer yeah

>>24786478
No I'm not asking if you would read a novel about pedophilia. I asked if you would read well written child porn. Written porn exists, regardless of whether you consider it literature. Written child porn exists.

Would you read well written child porn?

>>24786488
You should learn the difference between an insult and an ad-hominen, but that aside, I didn't even mean to insult. Being on the spectrum is a neutral condition, even beneficial if your job involves numbers.

>>24783763
>>24786068
All art is political. Pretending authors, editors, and publishers don't have an agenda is ridiculous.

>>24786498
>Would you read well written child porn?
Lolita?

>>24786502
So were you complimenting me by saying I'm on the spectrum? Or was it just a random comment that served no purpose at all?

>>24786498
he's saying that by the very quality of being "well written" it would necessarily cease being "child porn" and become literature about pedophilia.

>>24786498
No, because what is meant by well written in regards to porn is different to what is meant by well written in regards to literature. A "well written" washing machine manual is of no literary interest, but a well written novel about washing machines is - by definition - of literary interest.

>>24786401
this newfag has never read gravity's rainbow

>>24786508
See above.
>>24786481

>>24786510
No, I meant that the only way you could take that post as evasive if you were autistic, meaning you had a neurological aversion to non-direct language.

>>24786514
Are you the guy who said this or are you a different anon?

>>24786449
>If it is well written then it is by definition worth reading

>>24786513
Not quite, porn is made for the explicit purpose of jacking off, it can be "well written" only in the sense that it serves its purpose well (making you coom buckets). This is not what we usually mean when we use "well written" in regards to literature.

>>24786519
Ok. Well you're wrong. I'm not autistic.

>>24786522
I am the same guy, in the instance I was using "well written" in the sense of "with literary merit".

>>24786481
>>24786517
>There's no explicit porn in Lolita.
there are on-page sex acts described in lolita, some in great detail (when he makes himself come with her leg on the couch).

>>24786525
And you're wrong too, since I wasn't being evasive.

>>24786534
Would you read well written child porn?

Yes or no?

(Hint: evading is answering with something other than a yes or a no.)

>>24786532
Nabokov himself said that Lolita is not pornographic and shouldn't be perceived as such. But if you want to that's fine. You would of course have to make a statement on whether Lolita could be considered literature or not then, since seemingly we're all in agreement that porn can't be literature and vice versa.

>>24786498
what do you even count as child porn here? does it have to be nothing but sex with kids? because if you mean explicit sex scenes featuring minors then anybody even mildly well-read would have encountered some, with examples already in the thread. another one: every other anais nin story contains sex with kids, and that's widely read literary erotica. you come off as fairly sheltered when you treat it like some big gotcha. i have read literary "child porn" of this type many times without even seeking it out.

>>24786552
So...yes you would?

This entire conversation could have been completely avoided if you just admitted that subject matter is important by the way.

>>24786555
i'm not the anon you've been pestering about this, but i obviously "would" since i already have. i don't see how that helps your point, since the answer you were looking for was "no." you expected people to say "no, i would never read that" and that would have shown that subject matter trumps quality. it seems it doesn't.

>>24783746 (OP)
What's wrong with it?

>>24786567
Believe it or not I was not looking for any particular answer. I just thought it was a perplexing thing to say that subject matter isn't important. I would opt to say it clearly is just based off how hesistant everyone is to give a quick and definitive answer to the question I've been asking.

>>24786478
>masturbation can't be art
Pfft- caveman.

>>24786478
If I jerk off to a painting of a naked woman, can it no longer be considered art?

>>24786573
for both the "taboo content" requests you made, scat and children, you immediately got relevant quotes from a famous book everyone on this board has or pretends to have read, featuring both fucking a child and eating turds, and you just ignored it. people obviously do read well-written books despite shocking/odious subject matter. you haven't demonstrated shit.

>>24786598
One guy went as far as to say that porn definitionally can't be considered literature to avoid saying yes. But yeah my bad bro. This is a cut and dry case. Everyone loves reading child porn.

>>24786503
>righoid drug addicts screeching day-in and day-out about trite Culture War® bullshit counts as "politics"
>>>/r/ope

>>24786409
>they actually, unironically think people marrying and having (white) kids is fascist, and this is a mainstream opinion a random normie woman in an office might hold, not something limited to extremist internet spaces.
I've worked with plenty of normie left leaning women in offices and none of them think this. I'm sure there are a few women like that out there but they aren't the norm.

You need to stop getting mad at imaginary scenarios you made up.

>>24786399
>21c
>rights and freedoms
>not poor

I guess we only have a mercenary drone army because there‘s nothing left worth fighting for so I‘ll give you that.

>>24786409
>normal leftist women are incredibly anti-marriage now, and anti-children, as evidenced by [some shit I saw on the Computer and drew schizoid conclusions about]
You're fucking cooked, dude. My normie leftist wife wants kids immediately. We're both white. Nobody's calling us fascist, because we're not psychopathic retards with no friends.
Throw your phone in the nearest river and find a group of living human beings that you can talk to face-to-face.

>>24786632
so now "i'm right because everyone was hesitant" becomes "i'm right because one guy wanted to define terms and i'm going to pretend that's a concession." you're a very disingenuous person. get fucked.

>>24786698
>>24786729
>bro everything is definitely NORMAL and OKAY and you're CRAZY if you disagree
>there is DEFINITELY no cultural push against marriage and children, and the fact that marriage and birth rates are falling catastrophically is just... an accident, okay? don't worry about it

>>24786729
>TOUCH GRASS IF YOU DON'T LIKE LEFTISTS BURNING DOWN POLICE STATIONS AND CUTTING KIDS' DICKS OFF

>>24786802
Marriage rates are "falling" because the societal/theocratic pressure that was artificially propping it up has fallen away.
Birth rates are "falling" because people feel like they can't afford to have kids, and for the same reason as above aren't being forced into procreating anyway and providing a subpar life for their child. Also microplastic-induced male infertility, but the effects of that are yet to be fully understood.

Neither of those change the fact that you have no friends and do not interact with normal people on a regular basis.

>>24786818
>BURNING DOWN POLICE STATIONS
Doesn't happen, but should.
>CUTTING KIDS' DICKS OFF
Doesn't happen.
You don't have to Touch Le Heckin Grasserino, you could just kill yourself instead if you're unfit to live in the real world.

>>24786829
Lmao. The classic “that’s not happening, but if it does it’s a good thing.”

>>24786826
>marriage/birth rates are falling because we don‘t have policies encouraging it

Yes, that‘s what anon said.

>>24786839
Every single thought in your head was fed to you by Indians and alcoholics on Twitter. Very sad existence.
Once again, you could just kill yourself if you're unfit to live in the world.

>>24786802
>>24786818
I wonder what it feels like to be an unironic Fox News viewer

>>24786881
Does Fox News talk about birth rates?

>>24786871
I’m a different anon.

>>24786863
Incorrect, but I understand that reading comprehension is a struggle for rightoids. Too much neural decay from the a lack of control over alcohol.
The rates are regressing to a natural mean. When you remove something that is artificially holding a rate up, that is distinctly different from adding something that pushes that rate down.

>>24786729
Not him, but statistically it is true that leftists are disproportionately mentally ill and aren't breeding. The fertility difference between political affiliations is pretty sizable, especially for women. And because political orientation is somewhat heritable, you'll see the political left decline. The long term consequence for feminism is likely that independence will be bred out of them and they'll end up more psychologically dependent on men.

And the person you're replying to is actually right. There was anti-natalist messaging pushed by the media for a long time, and whites were made to feel guilty for having children. I've known women talking about how they would only have two children "just to replace us, and preserve the environment".

>>24786891
No one should ever take you seriously again in your entire life for making a grammatical error three words after accusing someone else of neural decay.

>>24786888
It is a collective (You). You are all fundamentally the same automaton, running the same script.
This Anon >>24786088 already got it exactly correct, yet you're still here whining because the Loop has no Break condition.

>>24786901
>There was anti-natalist messaging pushed by the media for a long time, and whites were made to feel guilty for having children
This did not happen within my lifetime, and I'm almost 30.
They are just windmills, Master Quixote. There are no giants to slay.

>>24786891
You‘re attempting to play at pilpul where disincentivizing something is different from discouraging it and inventing fantasies wherein <2.1 has ever been a natural birth rate.

>>24786881
If you think the farthest extent of the pendulum swingback you are about to receive as payment for your 15 years of insanity is Fox News you are going to be even more upset which is even funnier.

Now imagine what's going to happen when it happens during the inevitable global recession that's on the horizon. Your precious schizohobos and catch-and-release pavement apes are a luxury a dying society will not want to afford anymore. Enjoy.

There has never been any systemic discrimination against black people and women in the history of the entire world. Go outside and touch grass bro, this isn’t happening.

>>24786914
>pilpul
Shut the fuck up, Mordecai.

>>24786910
I remember in 2010 a magazine on the seats at the local movie theatre promoting the DINK lifestyle as something cool and aspirational. There was that German magazine cover with a white baby on the front with the words "KlimaKiller" or something like that. Then another one here with pic related.

Absolutely the doom and gloom climate change messaging at school impacted fertility rates. If you simultaneously make out the apocalypse is fueled by your lifestyle while also promising a cradle to grave welfare state, it's obviously going to impact people's family planning decisions. The climate stuff especially has made people iffy about having children, and many did feel burdened with guilt for wanting that.

I feel that's died down now that society grapples with sub-replacement fertility, but up until I'd say, 2017, it was out in full force.

>>24786948
>DINK lifestyle
Even how they name their things is gay and reveals the content of their spirit. Only a dink would call DINK "DINK."

>>24786918
What do you mean about to? Rightoids have all the power now and they're happily systematically destroying the government all so they and their billionaire friends can further their goals of techno-capital enslavement. They're not helping the working class, they're not helping people with having kids, they're not gonna bring about some kind of trad revolution. They're actively hurting the average American of every race, faith, and ideology. Its okay though because some paid shill on Twitter told you the evil leftists were forcefully cutting little kids dicks off in public schools. But congratulations, you got what you wanted, now what's the next step of your master plan?

>>24786494
>>24786698
>>24786729
>>24786683
way too obvious, reconvene in the discord

>>24787173
If you think right wing = Silicon Valley libertarian cronyists and what's left of the evangelicals you are in for a rude awakening.

>>24787173
>le billionares

I tried watching some leftist political slop because i felt I was getting too one sided brainwormed, and it's literally a cycle of

>get envious at people richer than you
>Make out there's a Scrooge McDuck treasure vault rich people have and it's an easy and simplistic big-brain move to just pilfer it
>talk about pilfering that money not to pay off national or local debts, or let the working class keep more of their money through tax returns. But for more gibs, coincidentally almost entirely for the most parasitic class of people that are statistically proven to be tax burdens.
>morally couch your pilfering in the rhetoric of "what's fair" and for other people to "pay their fair share".
>If someone criticizes any step of this plan, moan about "austerity", call them a bootlicker, call them callous and uncaring.
>If anyone has any other legitimate grievance or concern, say they're being distracted by the subversive billionaires in some massive swindle.

It's always the biggest tax parasites that bleat the most about the rich paying their "fair share". The polling shows it's people in do-nothing bureaucratic jobs, Emily with her they/them pronouns and a disability allowance, and NEETpig merkelmen that vote for the gibs. Actual working normal people don't think about Billionaires at all, and usually when they do, they like admiring the cool rocket stuff that Musk was doing.

>>24787224
>Actual working normal people don't think about Billionaires at all, and usually when they do, they like admiring the cool rocket stuff that Musk was doing.
Go back to xitter Elon. Literally no one loves you.

>>24787173
>Rightoids have all the power now
What powers, exactly? Last I checked, you cant own a gun stock or extended mag in California or Illinois or New York. The Epstein files still havent been released. The genocide in Palestine is still going strong. We're wasting trillions on Biden's retarded war in Ukraine still. Nobody has been punished over the four years of covid shit that happened. Still no one younger than 60 can afford a house. So what exactly do conservatives have power over?

>>24784878
At least you try.

>>24787294
>So what exactly do conservatives have power over?
>list of shit that fully aligns with the conservative agenda
You were played for a fool and you deserved it.

>>24787224
>If anyone has any other legitimate grievance or concern, say they're being distracted by the subversive billionaires in some massive swindle.
Nothing a rightoid has ever bitched about has been a legitimate grievance or concern. That is why they are written off as cranks by normal people.

>>24787339
Yeah, I'm sure Kamila would have done a better job after wrecking everything for four years. Said no one, ever.

>>24783746 (OP)
All the major cultural institutions have been captured by nth wave feminists for how many decades now? Publishing in particular is a lost cause if there ever was one. The only output of legacy publishing houses these days is smut for single women and propaganda for retards; everything else amounts to a rounding error. Why then would you expect a self congratulatory industry award to reflect anything but the dismal state of the industry? If anyone has a reason to feel slighted, it's probably the smut writers getting passed over for the propagandists.

>>24787351
>Said no one, ever.
>t. Gen X drunk
Who gives a single fuck about Kamala? She has no bearing on Trump being a retarded childfucking cunt whose only purpose in holding office is to let a Mammonic cult dump even more of your money into the pockets of Satanic retards like Musk, Bezos, Netanyahu, Thiel and Ellison.
If you thought Conservatism was the answer to the exact things that Conservatism has caused, that's completely your fault, dumbfuck.

>>24784816
Not sure if serious but I'll answer in earnest. I was exiled from all my various intellectual and academic circles sometime between 2016 and 2020. As per OOP's pic, all my friends got on board the yes train with contemporary, progressive politics on account of the women going absolute nuts over Trump. All my boys, who used to delight in pushing the envelope, quickly fell in line with the new agenda. The final straw was when I jokingly referred to Jackie Chan as 'some rich gook'. Ejected from group chats, professional life ruined. Some of these men used to relish in jokes like, "I'm not racist, blacks aren't people."

So now I keep my head down and my mouth shut, work in an unrelated field and quietly complete my novels. I remain an excellent but deplatformed writer. What would you have me and I'm sure the many others like me do?

>>24787435
Maybe you should stop being a racist asshat

So it has been established that not a single person posting in this faggot thread nor the twitter moron has read even one of the books mentioned.

>>24787435
Nta, but I always recommend self-publishing online. Yes, it's not a perfect solution by any stretch. Big platforms like Amazon are likely to make the endeavour an uphill battle for anyone who goes against the grain of "progressive" goodthink. Then there's the issue of the market being flooded by AI generated slop, further eroding trust that anything worthwhile might be out there. Yet still, the gatekeepers of print publishing don't hold all the power. You can try to carve out a niche for yourself. Worst case, you could build your own website like the other anon so that your writing at least reaches the select few who are actively looking for what you can provide since the big players are refusing to serve them.

>>24783810
>We are now pretending that 2020 never happened

>>24787173
rightwingbros... we've been exposed

>>24787195
That's the only right wing that functionally matters. The populist right just does whatever they want anyway.

>>24787484
Every time I do read one of these books, like White Fragility, Guns, Germs, and Steel, Their Eyes Were Watching God, Uncle Tom's Cabin, or whatever, they're so fucking bad I can write entire dissertations not only thrashing the prose and the style and structure, but the themes and political arguments made. It's a waste of fucking time, every time, and I'm done giving these anti-white, feminazi, nepotistic retards, who only get published for identity politics, the benefit of a doubt. The game is rigged, and no amount of "give this new propaganda a chance" will unrig it. Fuck off. Reading medieval treatises on witchcraft are a better use of my time than reading the latest biography about some gay, retarded, paraplegic, 2nd generation immigrant coming out to xir parents.

>>24787489
Thanks anon. I have no real interest in my own success, it's more just me having an old man sigh over the way things have gone in my lifetime. I bought the meme of sincerity in art hook, line and sinker. Nobody on earth was less prepared for the changes wrought by the great awokening than me. I don't know why, I thought we were all genuinely on a search for truth. I realised far too late the reality of conformity and grifting and the nature of the game. Hell, that it even was a game. I just think, I'm old, I'm a millennial, this is the zoomer's world now, so I'm gonna let them have it. Maybe the wheel will turn back in another twenty years and the era this anon quotes will be over:
>It can’t be that they’re a gay man trying to live among straight people, they have to be a brown atheistic cultural-Muslim transgender amputee stranded on a melted ice cap floating through car centric infrastructure.

If that happens, my grandkids can try and do something with my oeuvre.

>>24787526
>White Fragility, Guns, Germs, and Steel, Their Eyes Were Watching God, Uncle Tom's Cabin,
None of these have anything to do with each other or with the finalists of the National Book Award, go back to your containment board nigger

>>24787526
I think you're overstating how poor those books are stylistically because you disagree with them. Things can be incorrect without being absolute trash in every way.

>>24787534
No. They do. We're talking about woke shit. You may say this new woke shit is actually good but I'm not buying it. No one is.

Book awards are just a marketing scheme. All the nominees sold like shit. But now they're going to have a sales boost thanks to retarded niggers like you who think awards are given on merit and quality. The National Book Award are publishers and writers giving awards to themselves.

>>24787551
>retarded niggers like you who think awards are given on merit and quality.
You're having a schizo projective meltdown lol

>>24787551
>Being anti slavery is now "woke"
Lol you people simply don't live in reality

>>24787531
>this is the zoomer's world now
As a zoomer, it really doesn't feel like it. We're completely powerless, practically disenfranchised, and denied our own space or voice. The world is dominated by older generations who vampirically feed on us for sustenance.

>>24787566
Shut the fuck up. You didnt even read Uncle Tom's Cabin you mouth breathing brainless worm. You have no idea how it's structured and what argument is made. The author didnt even know what slavery fucking is.

>>24787582
Nurse! Nurse, we need an injection of haldol, stat!!

>>24787599
>No. I actually have read Uncle Tom's Cabin.
The fact that this wasnt your reply tells me everything.

>>24784864
>Why am I hearing about it then?
Because OP made a thread :)

>>24783746 (OP)
The state of literature is books about the very special girl and her specialness

People have been complaining about the moral decay of society since the dawn of civilization, get over yourselves.

>>24783959
How is it "alt left"? How is it "communist"? Do you even understand the terms you're using?

>>24784784
The ultimate solution is to log off and go outside.

>>24787973
Will that improve the quality of books being sold?

>>24783746 (OP)
Pooja's Pass: The Racial Politics of Passing Gas
by some Indian woman

Delve into the mind of Pooja, an Indian immigrant woman, while she sits in a graduate class in an American university trying to hold in her farts. This book explores the racial struggles faced every day in America by Indian women just like Pooja.

>>24783746 (OP)
The one about the immigrant could be interesting given the growing prevalence of the issue. The other one sounds, well, gay.

>>24788002
Does she shit her panties at the climax of the book?

>>24788026
Yes

>>24783746 (OP)
Saar the ozone layer is too thin Saar. I cannot do the needful.

>>24783810
When they forced white kids to go to school with black kids at gun point in the 1960s.

>>24783930
Wilhelm Reich was unironically right about everything including orgone energy

>>24783810
I have huge resentment over lockdowns and the summer of Floyd. I'd like to see the political left absolutely crushed under the boot of right wing authoritarianism.

>>24787981
It will improve the quality of your thinking, and thus perhaps the quality of the books you buy.

>>24783930
Unfortunately the sentiment expressed by this post will prove correct. The strings of the future will be pulled from the shadows by amoral hyper-autistic Discord femboy fascists grown old. Look at Peter Thiel and his gaggle of antihuman gay faggots for contemporary examples. These types of people will destroy the ecosphere, pollute the oceans, raze every last forest, and fill the air with smog just to build enough datacenters to run an AI powerful enough to find a way to permanently reverse twink death and they'll somehow make the young people at the time go along with it by making their opponents out to be cringe libtards or whatever.
Most of human culture will not survive contact with such people, by the way. The combination of autistic black and white thinking and gay angst, when it has sufficient resources and power, will happily churn through any opposing force like a lawn mower going through weeds. What remains will be a carefully manicured cargo cult of high culture. Shelves full of the Greeks because they totally supported all of this, but unread.

not our heckin democracy not our heckin status quo of gay elite pedophiles

>>24783867
>a bit surprised by the speed at which you jumped to your porn fantasies.
You do know what site you're on, right?

>>24787883
Problem, moralfag?

I was really excited to start writing my novella that I’ve been extensively outlining for the past year, but seeing stuff everywhere about how nobody reads anymore and how literary fiction focusing on realistic settings is worthless just demoralizes me. I tried to make it appealing to the masses yet artistic, I deliberately planned it out to be like a high-brow YA fiction book where female readers will enjoy the romance and focus on younger characters but will still find that it’s a serious and artistic story influenced by classic authors & political philosophy. But what does it matter. Even if I made it really good and demonstrated a unique youthful perspective on the world, no one would read it, no one would publish it. Cinema is dying, video games are becoming slop, short-form videos are the main way to communicate and consume now. There’s hardly any room for art anymore. I feel like we’re entering modernity’s dark ages.

>>24788430
The best way to transmit your ideas or vibes or whatever to the world, whatever the goal of writers in the past, is now probably being a livestreamer and getting a following that way

>>24788427
>you're a moralfag lmao
>>You shouldn't have rights at all.
>w-what? get fucked fascist!!!
Pick a lane, retard.

>>24788430
>spends a whole year "outlining" a project (read: procrastinating)
>talks himself out of it before writing the first actual word
>"shame... i bet i would be really good at this... but the world just won't let me..."
classic delusional retard with no executive function

>>24783757
Yah, I swear, for the humanities/liberal arts to be saved, it needs to first collapse to save it from its bureaucratic dogma and performative scholarship. I swear AI can do that.

>>24783769
I have a theory that AI will collapse the humanities within the universities, and free it back to an enthusiastic culture.

>>24787484
The discerning scholar judges a book by its cover.

>>24784705
>13 of 14 signs of Umberto Eco's Ur-fascism present

Yeah, I wouldn't take him or Adorno seriously on the matter.

>>24787435
>friends grew out of their edgy phase while anon kept spouting 4chan memes
Many such cases

>>24787435
So basically you never outgrew your edgy phase.

>>24788493
What lane? I'm just saying you're a fucking cuck for demanding everyone care about social issues like a 2014-era tumblrtard.

>>24788796
There is something deeply, disturbingly wrong with your brain.

>>24788806
Says the dumbass who spilled his spaghetti and lost his entire social circle.

>>24788809
That's a failed ad hominem, an appeal to the character of a different poster.

>>24788685
>>24788688
AI is more likely to reduce people to cavemen when it comes to language/literature than to lead to a rebirth of the humanities. People are already offloading their thinking and writing to these tools.

>>24788212
Wow I guess covid really did break your peoples brains. Are you really too fat and stupid to wear a face mask properly?

>>24788957
Well, I think it will do both. Which is a shame, but such is life.

Its like how equipment/tool have allowed people to become completely sedentary. The majority of people are simply incredibly unhealthy due to the fact they simply survive with doing zero physical activity. But, at the same time, there is an energetic gym/fitness culture. And the difference between the two only grows.

I swear something like that is going to happen with the intellectual world. The vast majority of people will only be capable of doomscrolling and inputting prompts into LLMs. But, there will be a minority that will heavily practice the liberal arts, simply to not become a retard. Its like there are many reasons to be fit, but one of the big ones is vanity. And I think that will drive a new intellectual world as well.

Humanities departments will be less about getting a degree, but will become more like an intellectual fitness club. Pay a monthly membership, drop in and read, study, and discuss things with fellow intellectuals. Professors will become like personal trainers, who will lead discussions and give recommendations.

>>24783821
>After fascism kills the pink haired girl who annoyed you once, it also kills humanism and literature and Christianity.
Can't wait.

>>24787435
>>24787531
>I remain an excellent but deplatformed writer
Those two things are mutually exclusive, dipfuck. If your work is good, it will make the rounds despite any effort to quell it.
It just so happens that the same tendencies that led you to your state of arrested development, probably make you a dogshit writer.
>it's everyone else that went insane, not me, the guy who thought it was still cool to use the word gook in mixed company as a grown fucking adult
Good writing requires a sense for other people, how they think and feel and operate in the world. You're self-centered, and that will always shine through in your work. Nobody wants to read some edgelord's pissbaby screed.

>>24788212
>I have huge resentment over lockdowns
nobody is more emotionally fragile, nor holds a petty grudge for longer, than a middle-aged alcoholic.

>>24789178
What's with all the extremely effeminate insults? Do you actually believe anything you're saying? You don't genuinely believe that the mark of a good work is that it meets the narrow consensus of what's "acceptable at the time of publishing. "Dipfuck"? "Pissbaby"? It'd be much healthier for you to just stay in your gay little discord or whatever rather than fruitlessly spike your blood pressure. You don't really have the capability of demoralizing, or changing opinion, or whatever you think you're accomplishing. Ask for tips next time, but that likely won't help.

>>24789182
>>24788959
Idk man, I knew people at the time that completely lost their mind and were calling for political violence. One would scream at the TV to slash the tires and kill the anti-lockdown protestors. This was a person who worked at an administrative role in the local hospital, and threatened her relatives not to lie about being vaccinated because she'd be able to see. Literally breaking patient confidentiality and the law and bragging about it.

These nutcases that became petty tyrants need to be cleaned out of positions of influence. The biggest moment during the whole ordeal that made me realize we need a political cleanse was the medical establishment endorsing the BLM protests right after condemning the anti-lockdown protests, as "racism is a public health issue". That's pure gaslighting.

>>24788800
There are posters in this thread stating that development into a consistent and sincere fascist ideology is failure to move past edgy memes while deriding the notion of simply having a position because "it makes you just like the SJWs."

>>24788212
based

>>24789463
Antivaxxers are schizo freaks. It is fully legal and moral to shame them into submission

>>24789375
Everything I said was objective Truth. Simple as.
Obviously it won't "demoralize" you, you're a solipsist.

what's the problem exactly? if you care so much write your own book about trad christian values, nobody's stopping you.

Chuds are such crybabies, keep screaming into the void lmao

I don’t care
90% of what I read was written before 1700 anyway

>>24783821
> it also kills humanism and literature and Christianity
B-based?

if the bap pigs simped for lomez instead maybe i would get on board the project

>>24789723
honest trvke

>>24787925
Pushing degeneracy to achieve the Revolution, I guess?
Dunno, I'm not that anon and I think yours is not an honest question. Gemini says it's "Sealioning", maybe "Red Herring".

>>24789375
I think the guy might unironically be a boomer that stumbled in here, because I've only heard them do the scatological "pissbaby" insults online (typically in some unhinged rant about the orange man).

But yeah, he's clearly just addicted to feeling outraged, let him chug along lul.

>>24783821
You commies really think that anything you personally dislike = fascism. Even when you as a group are the ones that are the most involved in it.

>he reads modern MFA DEI slop
I CONDEMN YOU TO 10,000 PAGES OF WHINING DIASPORA LIT

>>24787459
>>24788792
>>24788796
Heh, that was 8 or 9 years ago, I grew out of it. Unfortunately, the punishment was quite extreme. Out of proportion with the crime in my opinion. But what can we do? Live and learn.

>>24789178
Kek those other anons aren't me. I think you may be exaggerating my crime. I was kind enough to detail it for you. A poorly thought out and appropriately poorly received joke. That doesn't make me a dogshit writer. And it was a long time ago. I've grown out of the edgy phase as most of us do. The problem is that years down the line there's no easy way back into those circles. I'm too sensitive to the humiliation. I honestly feel certain I'd be welcome back, especially with my genuine contrition and, in fact, several have reached out to me over the years (I've always shamefully not responded).

You'd be surprised at my surgical insight into the human psyche. But perhaps not surprised that understanding human nature doesn't make me a perfect human. I write coming-of-age for boys so I address all these learnings and themes in my work.

>>24788212
>wants a different form of tyranny.
Retard.

>>24789463
>endorsing the BLM protests right after condemning the anti-lockdown protests, as "racism is a public health issue". That's pure gaslighting.
It was pretty funny

>>24783746 (OP)
These books probably suck dick, but I’m not going to judge them solely based on some rage bait screenshot by some guy named Lomez.

>>24791340
Na..just wait 20yrs or so to see how they hold up. I rarely read 21st century novels that has won a national award.

>>24789178
>If your work is good, it will make the rounds despite any effort to quell it

not the anon you replied to, but this is just blatantly untrue. literary agents explicitly bar submissions from white male writers, for one, and two, if this were the case then we would expect to see good work actually being published, which is obviously not happening. the publishing industry is kept afloat by celebrity cookbooks, political memoirs purchased en masse by PACs, and smut for women.

maybe "cream rises to the top" thinking was true 40-50 years ago, but even a passing review of what agents and publishers are looking for reveals an ideological bias that is sinking contemporary fiction

>>24789178
>edgelord pisslord assbaby asshat cringefuck dipnigger
Spastic faggot.

>>24785770
>Bioleninist
Faggot term used by pseuds who've never read Lenin.

>>24787173
This post needs to be framed and put on a wall of every public building. /pol/tards are fucking embarrassing.

>>24788792
>>24788796
>My opinions are whatever pop culture says they should be, as you can see I am very matuer

>>24783746 (OP)
All Awards are purely political theater

>>24794077
>>24791325
Why are you repeatedly bumping this thread, you deranged samefag?

>>24783746 (OP)
The readership base for this stuff is limited to upper-middle-class women in NYC. Contemporary "Literary Fiction" should be viewed as more akin to shoujo manga than great novels of the past.

>>24794772
Are you retarded?

>>24794794
Apt comparison, although shoujo manga not only have broader appeal but probably also more intellectual honesty besides.

>>24794992
It is a bit of a slight to shoujo manga, true. There are some genuinely good shoujo manga out there, better than NYC UMC lady-lit.