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Anonymous No.24848148 [Report] >>24848208 >>24848237 >>24848834 >>24848917 >>24849555 >>24852413 >>24852502 >>24858651 >>24862466
CG Jung - Red Book
Is it worth it except for the pictures?
Anonymous No.24848208 [Report] >>24848237 >>24848252 >>24852566 >>24855330
>>24848148 (OP)
sure if you're a casual jungian but you should know it's a filtered version of his original black books not even half of the material was carried over
Anonymous No.24848237 [Report] >>24851132
>>24848148 (OP)
Only if you acknowledge that it was never intended for publication, and is one of the most personal works ever written. If you want to spend that kind of money on something so obscure, don't complain if understanding eludes you.
>>24848208
>The Red Book is for casuals
LOL pseud.
Anonymous No.24848244 [Report] >>24848257
>guy wills himself into a florid psychotic episode and for some reason thinks this qualifies him to morally lecture the rest of humanity on every issue in existence
literally what the fuck was jung's problem?
Anonymous No.24848252 [Report] >>24855318
>>24848208
Are these even publicly available yet?
Anonymous No.24848257 [Report] >>24848268 >>24848857 >>24851224 >>24859260
>>24848244
The guy was shown visions of Europe being washed in waves a blood months before WW1 and continued from there to interface with the divine through his subconscious for years after. It’s your fault if you can’t see past your own necrotic modern perspective to actually read and understand what Jung was getting at and was in touch with.
Anonymous No.24848268 [Report] >>24848270
>>24848257
>months before WW1
You say this like this is an impressive or significant achievement. Many people predicted a large imperialist European war happening around that time because it was fucking obvious that it was going to happen.
Anonymous No.24848270 [Report] >>24848278 >>24848284 >>24849176 >>24851224
>>24848268
Everyone was completely delusional and thought peace through trade was going to hold. Over rationalism is a sign of a diseased and necrotic modern mind.
Anonymous No.24848278 [Report]
>>24848270
I agree with you but come on, there were near misses on outbreaks of war multiple times between the 1890s and 1914.
Anonymous No.24848284 [Report] >>24849820 >>24849824 >>24851053 >>24851150 >>24859251
>>24848270
>Everyone was completely delusional and thought peace through trade was going to hold.
This is profoundly ahistorical. August Niemann, in 1904, wrote a utopian book about a world war in which Germany would conquer England (though he incorrectly predicted that France and Russia would side with Germany.) In 1908 HG Wells was writing about a future American war against Germany and Japan involving aerial warfare. And of course, many years earlier, in 1888, Engels (prescient as always) predicted a continent-wide European war stemming from imperialist conflicts over territory and markets.

Did some people naively believe that trade alliances would prevent war? Yes, of course. But Jung was far from the only person who saw the writing on the wall, and those other writers didn't need psychedelic and schizophrenic visions to see it either.
Anonymous No.24848834 [Report] >>24851860
>>24848148 (OP)
Yes but you have to read the bible, neet'cha, hegel, modern christian apologists, plato, and maybe 2-3 other major works of jung to get anything out of it
Anonymous No.24848857 [Report] >>24848879
>>24848257
>interface with the divine

sounds like run of the mill mental illness to me
Anonymous No.24848863 [Report] >>24848873 >>24849557
rank em
Anonymous No.24848873 [Report] >>24848877 >>24849106 >>24850657
>>24848863
0, 1, 10
Anonymous No.24848877 [Report]
>>24848873
out of 10.

or 3, 2, 1 if you mean in order of value.
Anonymous No.24848879 [Report] >>24848903
>>24848857
its just the part of the brain animals use to detect hurricanes but for mass human deaths/mental strife
Anonymous No.24848903 [Report] >>24848916
>>24848879
ask your doctor to up your dose.
Anonymous No.24848916 [Report] >>24848940
>>24848903
put a shotgun in your mouth and pull the trigger
Anonymous No.24848917 [Report]
>>24848148 (OP)
that font looks so fucking annoying to read
Anonymous No.24848940 [Report] >>24849110
>>24848916
textbook rage.
Anonymous No.24849106 [Report]
>>24848873
So 0,1,2?
Anonymous No.24849110 [Report]
>>24848940
wrong again dumbass
Anonymous No.24849176 [Report] >>24859358
>>24848270
but epicsauce war is the sign of a based and redpilled trad mind amirite
Anonymous No.24849522 [Report]
I'm a shitter whose never read psychology, but jung seems less redpilled than freud. In a good way. Should I pick up and read jung?
Anonymous No.24849526 [Report] >>24849807 >>24859324
If you haven't read Aion or Alchemical Studies I don't know what you hope to gain by reading The Red Book. Jung's published material was already esoteric on its own, but at least he was holding your hand along the way. The Red Book is pure schizo-babble.
Anonymous No.24849555 [Report]
>>24848148 (OP)
Thaf book looks comically large with comically funny font like in whataver spunchbob episode
Anonymous No.24849557 [Report]
>>24848863
Artistically, the Red Book is practically worthless, and Jung would agree. But psychologically and philosophically it's of immense value. Finnegans Wake and The Cantos are both 10/10 as far as artistry is concerned.
Anonymous No.24849803 [Report] >>24851860 >>24859114
Thoughts?
Anonymous No.24849807 [Report] >>24849836
>>24849526
>The Red Book is pure schizo-babble.
thats what makes it so good anon!
Anonymous No.24849820 [Report]
>>24848284
This anon is correct.
Anonymous No.24849824 [Report]
>>24848284
Fichte saw it before everyone else.
Anonymous No.24849836 [Report] >>24849856 >>24849883
>>24849807
stop worshiping what you don't understand
Anonymous No.24849856 [Report]
>>24849836
and you bury your face within the comfort of the dirt
Anonymous No.24849883 [Report]
>>24849836
atrocious post. imagine filtering yourself this badly.
Anonymous No.24850091 [Report] >>24850803 >>24853643 >>24855892 >>24861001
Jung - Red book
Wagner - Brown book
Gaddafi - Green book

what else?
Anonymous No.24850657 [Report]
>>24848873
The middest of wits.
Anonymous No.24850689 [Report]
vaugely related but I started doing active imagination why does no one talk about this shit it's insane, i don't get why people read the red book you are supposed to actually do it yourself
Anonymous No.24850803 [Report]
>>24850091
Anonymous No.24850817 [Report]
I’m reading volume 9 in pdf form now. I really like it so far
Anonymous No.24851053 [Report] >>24851094 >>24851113
>>24848284
Economists everywhere thought it would only last like a month. Those with spiritual insight thought correctly that it would last years. Materialism has been dominant for 250 years, so naturally most people agreed with economists.
Niemann's and Wells's books are literally fiction and entirely unrelated to whether or not people thought WW1 would last a long time.
>Engels (prescient as always) predicted a continent-wide European war stemming from imperialist conflicts over territory and markets.
Onions trash. Blaming "markets" for WW1 is impressive as it is one of the things that certainly was not at fault. Western economies were intensely intermingled at that point and the war was wholly anti-economic. More evidence of communists' being entirely unable to understand history.
Anonymous No.24851094 [Report] >>24851113 >>24851208 >>24851243 >>24852534
>>24851053
>Western economies were intensely intermingled at that point and the war was wholly anti-economic.
Read Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism. Lenin thoroughly debunked this idea and explained that global war was a natural and inevitable development of advanced capitalism that neither trade agreements nor supranational unions like the League of Nations (or, presently, the UN) could prevent. And he was proven right when WWII happened. Furthermore, WW1 had EVERYTHING to do with markets, which is why the Central Powers were ravenously divided and plundered by the Allies after its conclusion. You have zero idea what you're talking about.
Anonymous No.24851113 [Report]
>>24851053
>>24851094
Also, nice shifting of goalposts. The argument was literally never about whether people thought WW1 would "last a long time", it was whether Jung was unique for predicting it. You're just trying to reframe the topic because you got BTFO'd.
Anonymous No.24851121 [Report] >>24858091
>Hylics critiquing Jung
stick to peer-reviewed studies and being a foot soldier in social media posts
Anonymous No.24851132 [Report] >>24851204
>>24848237
You've never read jung
Anonymous No.24851150 [Report]
>>24848284
I think Jung also noticed frequently occurring motifs in the dreams of his patients that suggested a catacylsym was fast approaching. Whether or not they were consciously aware of the sociopolitical climate is up in the air.
Anonymous No.24851204 [Report]
>>24851132
Explain your wild misconception. I will deign to read it.
Anonymous No.24851208 [Report] >>24851231 >>24851426
>>24851094
Anonymous No.24851224 [Report]
>>24848257
>>24848270
Based posts
It’s too bad about the normies
Anonymous No.24851231 [Report]
>>24851208
Yes, and I'm sure you, a "spiritualist" posting about Jung on 4chan's literature board on a Sunday night look like the ultimate badass and portrait of masculinity.
Anonymous No.24851236 [Report] >>24851248
bitch tits mad af lmao
Anonymous No.24851243 [Report] >>24851251
>>24851094
Book recs for this topic?
Anonymous No.24851248 [Report] >>24851259
>>24851236
It's just annoying when smelly porn-addicted freaks pretend to be manly tough guys. There is a zero percent chance you even lift.
Anonymous No.24851251 [Report] >>24851275
>>24851243
For roots see J.A Hobsons Imperialism, Lenin builds from him entirely. Arendt also utilizes it in arguing that the imperial period set the stage for totalitarianism and developed the violent administrative practices in colonies that got brought back to Europe under totalitarian state terrorism.
Anonymous No.24851259 [Report] >>24851275
>>24851248
Besides the Lenin book I recommended, The First World War: A Marxist Analysis of the Great Slaughter by Alan Woods is quite good. Also have many shorter essays and articles to recommend if you're interested.
Anonymous No.24851265 [Report]
why don't you self-contain in mlp
Anonymous No.24851275 [Report] >>24851909
>>24851259
>>24851251
Thanks, I’ll save these. I am interested in getting a firsthand introduction to the ideas and their foundations.
Anonymous No.24851426 [Report] >>24853650
>>24851208
You still jack off to this?
pathetic
Anonymous No.24851860 [Report]
>>24849803
See >>24848834
you need to realize neetscha was one of the biggest things he is responding to in those books
Anonymous No.24851909 [Report]
>>24851275
Should be added that Arendt within Origins of Totalitarianism goes further back and theoretically pins imperialism origins in the state theory of Hobbes, but is lacking in some regards like technology, which is intertwined with political economics. To fill the gap read Carl Schmitt book on Hobbes state theory, it’s excellent. You’ll be all set then and more informed than the overwhelming vast majority of people.
Anonymous No.24852413 [Report] >>24852477 >>24853637
>>24848148 (OP)
>we all have our bad sides and we need to face them
do people really need to read books to understand this?
Anonymous No.24852477 [Report]
>>24852413
this book is basically his journal of self-inducing psychosis to talk to independent entities that are the anima or his shadow
I don't know why anyone would need to read this book honestly, people are supposed to do this to themselves not read his logs of doing it.
Anonymous No.24852502 [Report] >>24852530 >>24853628
>>24848148 (OP)
a lot of people recommend the red book as a starting point and an end point i wonder why
Anonymous No.24852530 [Report]
>>24852502
because they are larping, don't actually read and the red book comes off as "profound" even though he had 0 intention for anyone to read it so you can flip thorugh it like a picture book and don't actually have to understand anything
Anonymous No.24852534 [Report] >>24853722
>>24851094
>Furthermore, WW1 had EVERYTHING to do with markets, which is why the Central Powers were ravenously divided and plundered by the Allies after its conclusion.

can you go elaborate? I'm aware of the looting after the war but how did this play into the start/cause of the war?
Anonymous No.24852566 [Report]
>>24848208
they're taking down the epubs and i can't afford to spend $600 dollars on a physical copy
Anonymous No.24853628 [Report]
>>24852502
Pseudery and retardation.
Anonymous No.24853637 [Report]
>>24852413
Now more than ever.
We live in the age of social media, virtue-signalling and cancel culture. Everybody must strive to present themselves as morally pure, or face cancellation, online lynchings, and even the loss of their jobs.
Anonymous No.24853643 [Report]
>>24850091
Papini's Dark book.
Anonymous No.24853650 [Report]
>>24851426
Do you prefer this one?
Anonymous No.24853722 [Report] >>24855791 >>24856172
>>24852534
English Empire was afraid of the consolidation of economic power in central Europe (unification of Germany and it's influence on the area)
Anonymous No.24855318 [Report]
>>24848252
I saw a set in a used bookstore for $90. It was a little beat up so I didn't get it and I regret it.
Anonymous No.24855330 [Report] >>24855564
>>24848208
Pseud
Anonymous No.24855564 [Report]
again i mentioned this earlier why the fuck do people read his active imagination notebooks instead of just doing active imagination that's what you are supposed to do
>>24855330
correct
Anonymous No.24855791 [Report]
>>24853722
LaRouche was right all along
Anonymous No.24855892 [Report]
>>24850091

Me - no book.

:(
Anonymous No.24856172 [Report] >>24856174 >>24856968
>>24853722
The British were the last major power to join in the war.
Anonymous No.24856174 [Report] >>24856262
>>24856172
>major power
major European power
Anonymous No.24856249 [Report]
What’s the difference between the red book and the red book readers edition and why is the former $200?
Anonymous No.24856262 [Report] >>24856557
>>24856174
All the major powers were European. It was (the aftermath of) WWI that made the US one, arguably.
Anonymous No.24856557 [Report]
>>24856262
Turkey liked to think it was a major power at the time.
Anonymous No.24856968 [Report] >>24858700
>>24856172
And?
Anonymous No.24858091 [Report]
>>24851121
What?
Anonymous No.24858196 [Report] >>24858344 >>24858356
how tf do i learn to active imagine
Anonymous No.24858344 [Report]
>>24858196
Just close your eyes nigga
Anonymous No.24858356 [Report]
>>24858196
this is the technique i use:
>sit/lay down half way comfortably in a dark room on a couch
>have a keyboard plugged into my phone, but don't look at the phone screen at all (i can type really fast without looking which is very good for this)
>start basically doing the free writing trying to write without consciously thinking about it at all
>do this for 30 minutes, i've found it takes ~10 minutes or so to really get in the rhythm and come in contact with my complexes

if you can't touch type really fast there isn't really a good concise technique desu basically sit and just imagine and hope it works. actual writing is too distracting and using your voice is also an option but that's also very distracting.

autistic fast typing chads stay winning
Anonymous No.24858431 [Report]
It's a bit confusing at times, but worth reading. I don't think you should take any of the stories too seriously. Anyway this is my favorite painting.
If you just look through each picture separately it kinda tells a story or journey through the abstract with occasional glimpses of reality.
Anonymous No.24858439 [Report]
Anonymous No.24858443 [Report]
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Anonymous No.24858651 [Report]
>>24848148 (OP)
That’s a pretty egg
Anonymous No.24858700 [Report] >>24858744
>>24856968
Meaning they had nothing to do with starting it.
The war wasn't about "muh evil English bankers plundering the Central Powers."
Anonymous No.24858744 [Report] >>24858775
>>24858700
Anon just pointed out the banks had everything to do with it. When does a banker care about the people of his country?
The answer is never, not once. Goddamn, /lit/ used to have SOME intelligence going for it.
Anonymous No.24858775 [Report] >>24858793 >>24858834
>>24858744
No, anon pointed out what Lenin thought, as if that were worth anything.
Explain how the assassination of an Austrian archduke by a Serbian nationalist was caused by the bankers. I'll wait.
Anonymous No.24858783 [Report] >>24858885 >>24858894 >>24859067
jungians will look you straight in the eye and tell you that a picture book is the pinnacle of psychology and that you’re a charlatan if you disagree
Anonymous No.24858793 [Report] >>24859071 >>24859443
>>24858775
I don't care what Lenin thought. The fact is the bank of England is as evil as all the other banks and famous bankers, Rothschilds to citibank.
WWI was fought to retain the British empire. When the socialists started to rumble into power they PAID for the fascists and nazis to seize power and later kill them.
After the soviets drove them back to Berlin, Churchill wanted to free the nazi POWs and send them right back into Russia. Roosevelt put an end to that plan. This Dutch-American didn't like the little drunkard as much as people let on. Read any David Irving?

>Explain the scapegoat bad excuse
All these wars have staged events that are supposed to have kicked them off. Please read responsibly
Anonymous No.24858834 [Report] >>24859080
>>24858775
>Explain how the assassination of an Austrian archduke by a Serbian nationalist
If you actually think the inciting incident for WWI was the real "cause" of WWI then you are woefully ignorant.

By 1900, the principal colonial divisions of the world by the major imperialist powers had been solidified and these divisions led to some imperialist powers (most notably Germany, but also Russia, Italy, Austria-Hungary, etc.) in an objectively weaker state than other imperialist powers (most notably Britain and France). This situation DIRECTLY led to the military expansionism and buildup of the Great Powers as well as the interlocking alliance system that sparked the war. Political and economic control over territory and resources not only in Europe, but Africa and Asia, would directly determine which major powers prospered and which faltered. In the 20th century, those with the highest degree of industrial power (which is dependent on vast control of land, resources, and labor) were the ones with the highest degree of geopolitical power. This is what I meant by the simple observation that WW1 had "everything to do with markets" and it's why I quoted Lenin.

I haven't gone into the specific economic and material motives of each major imperialist power in this post since they were enormously varied, but, to give some brief examples: Germany wanted to expand into the Middle East (principally Persia) and undermine the economic power of British control of the Suez Canal. Italy was mainly interested in gaining control over Balkan territories controlled by Austria-Hungary, as was Russia. France chiefly wanted to annex Alsace-Lorraine, which had been taken by Germany several decades earlier and majorly weakened French industrial power due to the loss of a huge iron and steel hub.

In conclusion: Fuck off, you don't know anything about anything, kys
Anonymous No.24858885 [Report]
>>24858783
Jung was brutally honest in his assessment of patients, even going so far as to admit that suicide is the fate of some. He had more integrity than the positive psychologists positing that your mindset holds a greater stake on your mood than your material conditions.
Anonymous No.24858894 [Report]
>>24858783
Hey bozo, you’re on an image board
Anonymous No.24859067 [Report]
>>24858783
Jungian here. Not saying anything of the sort. You're full of shit.
Anonymous No.24859071 [Report] >>24860488
>>24858793
>WWI was fought to retain the British empire
Once again, WWI had already started by the time the Brits joined in. You're a retard. Worse, you're probably American.
>fascists and nazis
We're talking about WWI, you absolute fucking shit-for-brains.
Anonymous No.24859080 [Report]
>>24858834
All you're describing is the routine colonial chess matches of the 19th century. What caused the global cataclysm of WWI was the series of alliances that had built up in Europe. Germany's militarisation alarmed both the Russians and French, who formed an unnatural alliance as a result. In response, the Germans cosied up to the Austro-Hungarians (and later, the Turks.)
In short, the cause of WWI was political, not economic.
Anonymous No.24859114 [Report]
>>24849803
Just skip all that and read the 7 Sermons to the Dead. All else is just a preface.
Anonymous No.24859251 [Report] >>24859273
>>24848284
Very interesting. What kind of divination practices do you reckon Engels was employing? I'm assuming Kabala, but so were a lot of other people, do you think he had access to some sort of relic or totem?
Anonymous No.24859260 [Report]
>>24848257
>this one post shifted the thread into a World War history thread
OP I apologize for this post
Anonymous No.24859273 [Report] >>24859320
>>24859251
>What kind of divination practices do you reckon Engels was employing?
The most powerful divination practice of all: Dialectical materialism.
Anonymous No.24859320 [Report] >>24859328
>>24859273
I see, I see, so you recon he had two totems? Some sort of zoroastrian dualism perhaps? I wonder if it would be possible to exchange some measure of gold in order to obtain these fetishes, surely they would give their owner a great deal of power over the profane masses.
Anonymous No.24859324 [Report]
>>24849526
Seriously, this. Jung has published so many amazing books, why does everyone gravitate to the Red Book and that retarded Meyers Briggs Personality test?
Anonymous No.24859328 [Report]
>>24859320
kek'd heartily
Anonymous No.24859358 [Report]
>>24849176
War is the psychic orgy and also a ritual of human sacrifice, the ultimate act of necromancy
Anonymous No.24859443 [Report] >>24860488
>>24858793
>WW1
>After the Soviets drove them back to Berlin
Anon, stop. You don't need to embarrass yourself like this.
Anonymous No.24860488 [Report] >>24861030 >>24861261
>>24859071
Once again, it was the financial sector that got it rolling. It does not matter when Britain entered. You know no Rothschild fought in a war, but caused them? Eh? Thinking yet? You've had a few days now.
>WWII
Sorry. Went to quick for you. The first WW ended and Germany was left in ruins. Mission accomplished the bankers and world powers thought. But like I said, they socialists of Germany and elsewhere were organizing to throw off the world bankers yoke. Okay? They saw that and hired a little grubby quarter Jew named Adolf to take over the govt. unite Germany. all that jazz.
The one led to the other. Okay?

>>24859443
Same for you. I thought we all understood the sequence of events.
WWI, [soviets in the east] end of WWI, German economic degradation, local socialism, NY banks pay for rise of Nazism to deal with the socialists, Hitler's "little war", double-crosses, big war starts up. Got it now?
Anonymous No.24861001 [Report]
>>24850091
Ayyy lmaos - Blue book
Anonymous No.24861030 [Report] >>24861059
>>24860488
Wait so ancient black and white people were making ai sloppa???
Anonymous No.24861039 [Report]
The Germans should have fired back about how a bean gun is better then beans on toast. That would have ruffled Churchill's knickers I reckon.
Anonymous No.24861059 [Report]
>>24861030
Dada was an art movement invented to lampoon the madness of the modern world. Cut and paste collage was one of their methods.
Anonymous No.24861261 [Report] >>24861606
>>24860488
Are these bankers in the room with you right now?
Anonymous No.24861606 [Report]
>>24861261
Their HQ is in NYC nigga
Anonymous No.24862466 [Report]
>>24848148 (OP)
Jung TL;DR:
>Everything you try to suppress will be a part of you
>Saying men should be like X, women, like Y, kids like Z, etc is just a reflection of repressed feelings
>You need to get those feelings out in some way, usually through childish activities
>Imagination is the best method
>You can either day dream to try and relieve those feelings or create things through art to relieve those feelings
>Or you can just LARP as a certain thing and live out your batshit schizo fantasy until you come to (you ARE the super Aryan hyperborean transhuman magick warlock wizard man you think you are so long as you believe it)
>Either way, just remember that at the end of it all, it's all fantasy and none of it will actually help you get to where you want to and is more or less just a cope for your shit life.
>Arguably, Jung would say modern men losing themselves in video games is a completely healthy response to modern society