Which MP that did justice to the prototype machine?

>>23222668 (OP)
all of these

>>23222668 (OP)
Leo is probably winning, it just gets overshadowed by being top jobber.

If you're looking at specs, the GM surpasses the Gundam except for its armour.

The Virgo I and II

Mass Production Nu Gundam, my beloved

>>23222668 (OP)
Every Dagger is better looking than its Gundam counterpart

>>23222668 (OP)
Barzam is always the answer to everything.
But I respect a lot of GM variants

>>23223523
This one looks fantastic. The visor is pretty neat

>>23223297
>mass production
>only one confirmed unit built
>no confirmed deployment let alone combat record

>>23223566
>maintained ~80% of the Nu Gundam's performance using standardized parts
>can be outfitted with numerous weapon options to accommodate different pilots and combat roles
>had access to most of the Nu Gundam's arsenal and some new additions like integrated beam guns and INCOMs
>psychoframe can literally perform miracles
As a mass production variant it was objectively the best of its time, but sadly the Federation hates nice things.
Had it entered full deployment THINGS WOULD BE DIFFERENT.

>>23222668 (OP)
If we're bringing up MP models then really the GMIII and the 105 Dagger should be there rather than the Barzam and Strike Dagger IMHO.

>>23222668 (OP)
Puru

>>23226287
Speaking of which, I actually vastly prefer the MP Qubeley to the original

>>23226299
Agreed. Still waiting on that (P Bandai) HG.

>>23225838
wouldn't you need to mass produce newtypes in order to justify the mass produced psychoframe?

>>23222668 (OP)
Wait, if GM is suppose to be a MP version of the Gundam, why MP Nu Gundam just a Gundam?
Also, why aren't MP MS as strong as what they're based off of?

>>23226394
Because prototype MS themselves is fairly expensive hence why MP is lesser than the prototype due to budgetary reason. MP Nu Gundam was only made limited and it's only for Ace pilots

>>23226357
It's doable

>>23226357
Oldtypes can still benefit from it, Psychoframe can read their inputs to a limited extent. Mostly just for ms and fire control but the remote weapon angle is covered by INCOMs.

>>23222668 (OP)
>Which MP that did justice to the prototype machine?

Where are you from I can't understand what you're trying to say?

>>23226394
The GM is its own mobile suit derived from the Gundam. There were prototype GMs prior to the production version, like the one at the beginning of Gundam 08th MS team

>>23225838
>>maintained ~80% of the Nu Gundam's performance using standardized parts
Jesta achieves 90%

>>23222668 (OP)

Wasn't Gundam Mk.II supposed to be the new mass production unit?
Also, what is that monstrosity you think it was developed into?

>>23226500
yeah but the MP Nu does 80% while still being SOVFUL and not looking like a Call of Duty robot

If Big Zam ever getting mass produced, would it be the same size and spec or would it be compromised by downscale to save up cost?

>>23226500
The Jesta doesn't have a Gundam head and is therefore inferior

>>23226507
That’s the Barzam and it’s more than just a gundam mk2 mass production type. It’s actually the accumulation of multiple different mobile suits the titans had been building to create the ultimate modular jack of all trades mobile suit. It wasn’t just developed from the gundam mark 2, but more recently also the hazel and woundwort series as well. The titans were just rolling out the base models before char’s speech and Dakar cutting off remaining funding. In other words they were quite literally to the titans to what the gelgoog was to zeon

>>23226534
It would be the same size since they have no problem letting a teenage girl pilot a mobile armor.

>>23226507
Nemo pilot hands typed this post

Is GM III the true Gundam MK II mass production unit?

>>23226534
More or less similar size, but stripped down to just the cannon and some missiles and less beam protection, mainly used for ground assaults.

>>23226581
This is it, this is the actual mass production type big zam. Apparently they were intended to have been used at the battle of jaburo alongside the other amphibious mobile suits but didn’t get passed the blue print stage once char found a secret entrance and the seige was held much more ahead of schedule than intended

>>23226535
What about now?

>>23226586
delet this

>>23226586
Blursed

>>23226586
Agh my eyes

>>23226586
N-no...

>>23226570
No, it lacks a moveable frame. Though it does use data and a refined version of the MK II's backpack. It still an old gen 1 mobile suit being souped up to its limit in order to to deal with all the MS loses of the Gryps War. The Barzam is a refined MK II meant for mass production while the Nemo and Marasai with the GM III upgrade package would function closer to the MK II than the GM III does. Since they have moveable frames.

>>23222668 (OP)
I still don't understand how Barzam is a MP MkII, they look so different.

>>23226496
>>23226394
Technically the GM stands for Gundam Mass (production)

>>23226861
The Gundam Mk II itself was a product of moveable frame technology first used in the Hazels. However- even after the Mk II's completion Titans R&D continued and data from various experimental mobile suits was consolidated into their next-generation mass production unit. >>23226541

>>23226861
MK II is the Concept car while Barzam is the production model. They refined the MK II by removing things deemed unnecessary while also adding any new useful technologies tested during the refining process. Some of the old lore suggest that the barzam was actually only a bit more expensive than the GM II while having a huge performance gap over it. So it's an extremely cost effective Mobile Suit.

>>23226861
Because the Titans state of the art prototype turned out to be only on par with something the AEUG was already making in numbers, so it was back to the drawing board.
The Barzam is more like a Gabthley or Asshimar that can’t transform & that’s built out of MK ii spares

>>23226598
I'd say the Virgo and especially the Virgo II surpassed the Mercurius and Vayeate

>>23227189
The Titans were always planning on moving on from the MK II. It was just their test bed for the moveable frame concept. Which is pointed out by Kamille when Quattro is confused about the MK II using Titanium Ceramic instead of Gundarium for it's armor. The MK II prototype was a success in the eyes of the Titans with its only glaring failure being the moveable frame being stolen by AEUG and AE.

>>23227189
The Mk-II was superior overall thanks to the movable frame and backpack, just not fully kitted or designed for combat with a basic loadout and older-style armor rather than Gundarium. But even AE redesigned all their shit around the Mk-II and its movable frame, just with more gundarium to improve the structure's limits. Before they started copying the Mk-II the Rick Dias only had a partial pseudo-movable frame, something only loosely resembling what they wholesale copied for every other suit they made afterwards

>>23226570
The base GM III? Not really. It's more of a GM II ver 1.5 if anything. But the GM III Nouvel is a lot closer to a true mass production MKII. It still lacks a moveable frame, but it has a lot of parts overlap with the MKII and uses the same weapons.

what the hell is a morvabul frame anyway
MG or RG type of full body frames in contrast to HG pseudo-frames that are only for parts connecting the limbs and the torso?

Gun-Ez

>>23227724
Older style frames relied on the armor for structural integrity, and weren't complete without it. It was bespoke. There was still an inner frame, but it needed armor to handle high G loads and full operation under gravity and so forth, and may have needed the armor to hold components in place like fuel tanks and thrusters.

The movable frame is basically the whole MS. Fully structurally sound, can handle any operation or load as-is, has the fuel tanks and thrusters built in, and then armor just goes on top of it. Not only does it allow for optimized armor placement (lighter weight), since the structural integrity is provided by the frame itself, it's more modular for the same reason, so frames can be reused. And it can achieve much higher ranges of motions and points of articulation, for more human like movements and better AMBAC or whatever.

>>23227724
It's FO4 power armor frames if non or semi-moveable frames were previous FO power armor.

>>23225838
I thought the MP Nu didn't have psychoframe opting for traditional psycommu/quasi psycommu in the case of fin funnels and incoms respectively.

It's still impressive either way.

>>23226500
What colors the jesta's funnels?

>>23228179
Funnels?

>>23229251
Give it a <biosensor> Psychommu system and we’ve got ourselves a budget NU-gundam that has roughly 100%

>>23229251
it would make more sense for the Jesta to have the same stupid funnel backpack that the Joswell Jegan has instead of those OYW bits

>>23229294
I sense an upcoming gunpla custom

>>23226586
I'm going to have nightmares

>>23226598
I think the MP Qubeley is supposed to be significantly slower but that doesn't really make a difference when it has fucking 30 funnels

>>23226598
it has a lot more mass but not a single extra thruster so it's a fair bit less mobile
also the Ples are basically a component of it and they're not as good as Haman

>>23231718
It needs unique legs to give off more RGM vibes

I wish they make MP Unicorn

>>23235061
Nice horse

>>23229251
Nice bits.

Hello I'm the best MP gundam.

>>23228161
man fallout 4's writing blows and changing the power armor so drastically was really gay but the new armor is still cool

>>23235061
Multicorn?

>>23225838
ONCE THE NEW NU GUNDAM IS MASS PRODUCED

>>23229286
Biosensor???

>>23237245
Filename
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AesQp-urusY

>>23235778
Is GAT-04 Windam a mass-production version of the GAT-X105E Strike Gundam E ?

>>23239117
No because nothing specifically descends from testing on the Strike E to be put into the Windam

not the beam pistols, not the anchor wires, neither the striker packs

>>23225838
all exellent points
bunt one massive, UNFORGIVABLE flaw

>No visor head

into the trash

>>23222668 (OP)
Their sheer advantages over the originals like the S2 Organ.

>>23222668 (OP)
Barzam outjustice'd the MK II
>>23223523
Gundams are built for visors

time for best boy

>mass produced Victory
>still keeping Gundam looks minus the V-fin
Why this doesn't happen more often?

>>23242002
Wrong way around

Hexa isn't Mass Production, it's actually the commander type of the Victory, made in smaller quantities

Gun-EZ is the actual MP Victory

>>23242002
The difference is the MP Victory is identical to the standard Victory. It's not just an unit "based" on it like the GM.

>>23242078
If you go by Okawara's remarks about his Cluster Gundam Kai design they're both descendants of that, rather than one being a mass production of the other.

>>23242461
Yeah, this. The Gun-EZ and Victory are sibling units. They are both results from the same project. It's just like how the Ground GM isn't based on the Ground Gundam, but they were developed in parallel and shared parts and data, but have different construction and slightly different intentions.

ZZ mp type

>>23242002
The Victory IS the Mass-produced version.

>>23239919
the shoulder thruster setup feels similar

Alright no more nonsense and let me show you an actual example, this is the MBD-1A Dragoon and this mass produced machine was BETTER than the protagonists mecha, basically the Gm done right and it actually threatened the main characters into retiring, fortunately this was also the part where the heroes had their mid season upgrade for their mecha surpassing them in performance, still this didn’t change the fact that these were slaughtering giganos mecha

>>23242078
>V2 was never mass produced.
>Phantom on the other hand....

>>23227771
THIS

>>23248700
these suits are basically completely unrelated

>>23222668 (OP)
Reasonably a blend of its two prototypes

>>23249390
What’s the other prototype besides the geese ?

Sadly there's another MS between pic related and the Grazes.

>>23249826

>>23249895
Are these guys not just a Tallgeese as well? I thought the whole point of the OZ suits was they’re all just Tallgeese

>>23249843
>sadly
Hey, fuck you

>>23249907
Vayeate and Mercurius were proof of concepts for potential better suits down the line. They were made long after the Geese.

>>23249907
I guess a bunch of the OZ suits share similar profiles and mechanical details and stuff, but I don't think anyone ever considers the Leo a Tallgeese and they're the most similar to each other.

>>23235061
finally... Corn....

>>23249919
If you gave the Leo longer shins and lifted their ankles they'd be almost the same height. Those two areas are making the most difference

>>23248701
The Jegan is basically a mass produced Mk-II with some other federation, AEUG, and titans tech lines merging into it.

>>23226586
This looks like it's about to activate EXAM 2.0

>>23242095
The Hexa is actually a slight upgrade since the new head as an improved sensor and communication system.

>>23255622
>Exam 2.0
It is ugly but it does look a lot better than the Todesritter

>>23255291
It's a crime for Bandai not releasing Nero kit

>>23255632
Todesritter is a beaut, shut the hell up.

>>23255690
I declare Todesritter cringe

>>23255696
YOU'RE cringe

>>23255690
>>23255696
Chodesritter

>>23255696
>>23255953
>t. GBO2 shitters

>>23227771
Coolest looking MP Suit, unless you count Victory which was also technically mass produced.

The MP F91 was almost identical to the original. The only change I remember was the lack of bio-computer, but it still kept everything else.

>>23223297
why would you mass produce a custom robot made specifically for the greatest psychic ace pilot in history to utilize his supernatural powers to the fullest?

>>23258622
why wouldn't you?

>>23258685
bit of a waste innit?

>>23258690
The Nu gundam used a lot of jegan parts already, before they stuck the psycoframe on

>>23258622
Because it's really a pretty standard general high spec mobile suit but with funnels and then the psychoframe on top. Design-wise, although it was done to Amuro's preference, it's also pretty close to a general model you'd want for mass production.

>>23225838
>worse than the prototype
It's an abject failure.

>>23226299
Holy fuck, kit when Bandai ???

>>23226928
The Barzam was done dirty. It had so much potential only to be ruined by being associated with The Titans and having a mono-eye

>>23259189
Surprised we didn’t get a fedie Barzam cameo in unicorn like we got for the Nemo

>>23259202
Barzam being in Federation service is more of a recent sidestory thing, and even then it was from the colonial reserve forces rather than the main EFF forces.

>>23259233
it was in federation service before the titans got disavowed

>>23259257
well now you know why they also swept away the asshimar and gaplant despite not being developed directly by the titans for the titans, just being in the use of forces that ended up under the titans

>>23259233

>Feddy-ized monoeye mobile suits

It's like a trainwreck I can't look away from!

>>23226570
The regular GM is fine but I never cared much for the GMII. The GMIII on the other hand, something about it is just much cooler than its predecessors. It's not as cool as the Jegan but the GMIII looks like it eats a lot of protein

Does F91 have it own mass production?

>>23259284
The Asshimar was just outdated. It was a few years old in Zeta and one of the first transformable MS ever made. At least it was succeeded by the Anksha, which recreated it using Jegan and Rezel parts.

The Gaplant was always kind of a one off made for enhanced humans, so yeah, they didn't have much use for it when they could just make a SFS for cheaper. But we do know they made more and sold off the overstock because of Hathaway's Flash.

>>23222668 (OP)

>>23267315
MP unit with nukes. Based Windam.

>>23264699

>>23268290
anon...

Was GM Custom originally planned to be a mass production of Alex?

>>23271935
Limited production ace mobile suit iirc, it in itself was mass produced as the gm quel

>>23271935
Katoki just likes to make his arms look like the Alex’s with the machine guns severed off

>>23271998

>>23272016

>>23271935
Yes and no, its structure is mostly based on Alex with some cues from GM Command and Sniper Custom series while using parts compatible with the Type C which was the post-war standard.
It was intended as a higher end model to more comfortably deal with Zeon Remnants groups as Type C could struggle against them.
It's the closest thing we have to a mass produced Alex, but it's not quite the same relation as RX-78-2 and RGM-79.

>>23271935
No, but it was developed based on its data. Also, the Alex got retconned to be the first MS to have (partial) movable frame, and the GM Custom and Quel directly inherited the overall frame concept from it, so you could say they're direct descendants.

>>23271964
The Quel is actually a slightly improved variant of it, rather than a mass production of it. The Titans could only make it en masse because they got a big budget for a relatively small operation.

>>23268114
Genuinely one of the most insane things they did in a setting already full of insane sociopathic shit.

>>23272087
>Also, the Alex got retconned to be the first MS to have (partial) movable frame, and the GM Custom and Quel directly inherited the overall frame concept from it, so you could say they're direct descendants.
Where did this come from? For years, it was only the Quel that had different forearm construction than the Custom and those forearms eventually developed into the skeleton movable frame

>>23222668 (OP)
Do we count the GM Command and later machines with Amuro's data?

>>23273716
>Do we count the GM Command
To clarify, only the specific GM Command units carried by that EFSF fleet attacking Axis were given a special software update that included a partial copy of Amuro's data.

>and later machines with Amuro's data?
No other GMs are given Amuro's data, partially or in full. Amuro's data occasionally gets mentioned in some other stories, but used for other purposes like simulations.

>>23226586
I don't like this. At all. This is evil.

>>23273737
>To clarify, only the specific GM Command units carried by that EFSF fleet attacking Axis were given a special software update that included a partial copy of Amuro's data.
But MS in general have all sorts pre-programmed movements and data from Amuro used by some point. Even standard GMs have some input from gathered RX-78-2 data. Amuro's performance data from the Learning Computer was vital for the development of the GM. Without it, they were forced to further develop the Guncannon instead as a Light Type for MS/MS engagements.

It depends on the continuity.

Early UC MS are literally controlled like video game characters, but still rely on some manual skill.
It's why Amuro (and other pilots) is seen tweaking the Gundam's movements in white base inbetween battles, and also why the learning computer in the Gundam was so important. All of Amuro's shortcuts, macros, and recorded movements have been pre-programmed into the GM. The GM software is using Amuro's pilot data as a baseline auto-assist for all pilots. (Any GMs that got sent out previously can just get a software update patch installed)

Late 0090 UC has a heavy reliance on psycommu for a lot of higher end mobile suits.

Gundam SEED's MS rely on their OS programming which means that they use a combination of pre-programmed movesets and some on the fly computer adjustments (like a video game basically).

00 Has a mix of brainwave reading technology (thanks to GN particles) and very advanced computing systems
But a lot of skill still comes from being able to physically carry out manuvers (Graham Aker was a good example of this)

>>23273783
Sorry, you're right, all GMs should have some form of Amuro's data already. Amuro's early combat data was given to the Feds when the White Base finally made it to Jaburo, but Amuro was only beginning to awaken as a newtype at that point. Also at that point in time, most of Amuro's data is from fighting on Earth.

CDA is implying that the Feds are testing a later version Amuro's combat data from the end of the war, presumably it was recovered from his core fighter abandoned at A Baoa Qu. That would account for the GM Commands having improved space movement and evasion patterns, which the early version of Amuro's data wouldn't really have much of. Also, I just wanted to point out it's not as if all later GMs (the GM Custom, Quel, II, III, etc) are able to move like Amuro either, so it seems that the Feds never implemented Amuro's better data into all future GMs.

bought this HG kit a while back very good build, the Genoace

>>23273794
>Gundam SEED's MS rely on their OS programming which means that they use a combination of pre-programmed movesets and some on the fly computer adjustments (like a video game basically).
BTW, the Natural OS on the first 5 Gundams was so hilariously shit that Kira, Athrun, and everyone else independently thought
>wtf is this unworkable trash
and had to reprogram it on the spot. That is humiliatingly crappy that even the Coordinators thought it was garbage and they're above the average skill level of the target audience.

>>23273672
>RX-78NT-1で導入されたムーバブル・フレームはRGM-79Nに続いてこの機体にも採用されており、ジオン系の技術に頼らないモビルスーツ開発の新たな方向性を決定したといってよい。
>The movable frame introduced with the RX-78NT-1 was also adopted in this unit following the RGM-79N, and it can be said that it determined a new direction for mobile suit development that did not rely on Zeon-based technology.
https://tamashiiweb.com/special/kaihatsuhiroku/efsf/rgm-79q.html

>>23273899
The problem is that the EA had to design a one-size fits all OS for their entire military. Coordinators could just reprogram it to their personal needs on the fly.

>>23273818
>but Amuro was only beginning to awaken as a newtype at that point. Also at that point in time, most of Amuro's data is from fighting on Earth.
If I recall correctly, his core fighter was retrieved by Jupiter Empire who made a brain-clone of Amuro. In a then modern machine, it proved a terrifying beast. This gives the impression the Feds missed out big time not looting everywhere clean enough.

>>23273907
Imagine if they make EXAM/HADES system using Amuro Ray's data from Core Fighter

>>23273899
The installed system wasn't intended to operate a mobile suit. They had to put something there for testing and development.

>>23273900
Oh, I hate it when they change up established history like that, like when they decided the shield can now pop open to let it use the arm gatling through the shield itself

Thanks for following up on my dumb questions.

>>23273899
That's not quite true. The GAT machines were not fully battle ready yet. They had the barely working OS installed at the time for testing purposes. They were stolen before they could complete it.

>>23274012
>The GAT machines were not fully battle ready yet
The weapons there all there and the ammunition was also installed so they were loaded for combat, but not movement ready and seemingly never tested for the basics.

>>23274018
It's not a big stretch of the imagination to assume the hardware and the equipment is ready at a comparatively different pace than the software the unit uses.

When is my main man Zakrello getting mass produced :(

>>23273994
As a fan of the MK2 I hate how Bandai keeps rolling the moveable frame back further and further. The worst culprit is probably the Master Grade line, as much as I love the internal frames on them, it's clear they never put much thought into what a pre- and post- moveable frame one should look like.

>>23274022
That kind of thing is something I wish Gundam in general did more often.
In real life R&D, particularly aircraft, it's pretty common for parts of what're intended to be the same project to end up developing at different paces or unexpected flaws to cause interoperability issues.
Sometimes you end up putting the plane into production before you actually finish the missile that it was designed to carry so it has to be added later, or the original design philosophy was for a doctrine that didn't pan out so it has to get modified and pressed into service in other ways, or all sorts of shit.
It'd be a way more organic way to write in extra mobile suits and reasons for prototypes and shit, too. Like maybe the ReZEL was supposed to work with a new combat drone in the wake of the Nu's success with funnels, but the program got axed/shifted priorities after production was set up. Londo Bell needed new mobile suits to rebuild and expand after CCA, so they got the 100-odd already in production instead of canning them or something.

Bad example off the top of my head, but it makes more sense than the Federation having apparently commissioned 30 new mobile suits for the same role at the same time just for fun.

>>23273994
Anon it's just a cool model kit gimmick, saying you hate it makes you sound mentally deranged.

>>23274059
Plenty of model kit gimmicks are stupid. Why am I forced to like it? There's a guy in another thread complaining about the length of the Nu Gundam's face, go tell him he's deranged, why don't you?

>>23274105
I’ll get to him, the shield is clunky tho

>>23274224
Appreciated.

>Gee Guncannon, how come Federation lets you have two mass production

>>23273994
Banrise has slowly been making the Alex more and more important to UC R&D genealogy over the years, so this change doesn't come as a big surprise. Other sources already considered the Alex the grandpappy of 2nd generation MS, which is the movable frame generation.

>>23274547
What about GP series? Is there something significant importance of development? I know that some continuity prototype MK-II was using data based of GP01

>>23274563
The e-pac system for beam rifles, although technically this was developed by BOWA, which is an external company, so it probably would have made its debut elsewhere even if the GP series was never made. Although, some sources speculate that the Alex's beam rifle's "magazine" is actually an e-pac that never saw use. I think some merch/toys also make it removable, like the MG NT-1 v2.0, which would reinforce that idea. Although, the manual doesn't confirm it.

The GP01 also had a pseudo or partial movable frame of some sort, but with the Alex and GM Quel preceding it, it doesn't seem as important.

The GP02 is said to have influenced the Rick Dias though, so there's that.

>>23274563
Forgot the pic, from dalong. Personally, this looks like soft confirmation to me this is an e-pac. Like, come on. They already gave everything else to the Alex, might as well give this one too.

How about all of them?

>>23274649
All of them disappoint him ..

>>23273994
I think that giving the Alex more room to actually use its gatlings is good
In fact I think it should have a gat for every limb
It should have enough guns to make the heavyarms blush

>>23272020
>>23272016
>>23272007
>>23271935
i fucking love these, man

>>23273824
This guys not based on any Gundam or fancy prototype tho

>>23274997
fuck yeah

>>23226534
Or maybe it would be even bigger, so it can carry it's own army of drone GMs

>>23275138 (samefag)
Compare the size of that guy by the cockpit with Dozle

>>23275138
I love thunder bolt so much

>>23275152
Thunderbolt is amazing and it really hurts inside that the anime was killed offscreen

>>23264699
Brought up earlier, yes. The MP F91 was almost identical to the original, only omitting the Bio Computer. The Victory Gundam also got Mass Produced, with the new Hexa head being an improvement over the originals.

>>23275180
The Gundam Head units are better, you have to appreciate the psychological warfare

>>23255666
Would have been a great release for the Re100 line, if that line was still alive. They could have sold Trainer and Ewac versions through P-Bandai.

>>23273824
>>23275051
Genoace I is not derived from a Gundam or other (known) prototype, but Adele most definitely is.
>As it utilizes a frame that is developed from that of the Gundam AGE-1, their weapons can be shared.
>It is pretty much said to be a mass-produced Gundam

>>23275152
>>23275163
Thunderbolt is the worst dogshit slop I have ever had the misfortune of witnessing, Gundam or otherwise

>>23262583
My first serious kitbash custom project for an HG is based on this guy. Not a 1:1 but I'm going for a regular UC suit inspired by it. Like AE was pitching a way to reuse captured tooling and suits do make something more compatible with Feddie doctrine, weapons and supply chains.

Thunderbolt’s Great!

>>23275334
Yeah, the Genoace was essentially a militarized construction vehicle. Its predecessor is the Desperado. Funnily enough, the Desperado’s heat shovel and heat pickaxe would’ve made far better melee weapons than the fucking stick the Genoace was issued with.

I like the XM-10 Flint. I think it only had a limited production run though. I'm not sure.

Delta line need a mass reproduction units

>>23223297
I'm surprised that there's no Hi-Nu Mass Production variant

>>23289512
Zarg is my favourite

>>23285277
close enough if you ask me

>>23292146
Do people know this guy doesn’t transform?

>>23292155
yeah it's literally the only thing people talk about with MPZ

>>23292148
What is that?

>>23289512
How come they always tried to mass produce the Zeta but not the Double Zeta?
When even in ZZ Gundam, Zeta couldn't even take down the Hama Hama. Then ZZ was tanking mega particle cannons.

>>23295634
He’s the guy

>>23277257
Dad?!

>>23222668 (OP)
.....what? It's MP.

>>23295637
There’s a few MP ZZ, but that kind of power needs more oversight. They’re just tryna fight some zeeks, not give Job John the 3rd an MS to blow a hole through the side of the planet

>>23295637
Didn't the ZZ have a lot of flaws? It ran out of power near-instantly without Newtype juice powering it and its transformation was slow.

>>23295637
ZZ is a high output, high firepower unit for large fleet combat and fighting peer opponents. It's kinda fundamentally not mass producable, even without cost issues it runs against the entire EFF doctrine.

>>23295717
And Zeta isn't with the Hyper Mega Launcher and other weapons?

>>23295978
Unwieldy, and its a self-powered weapon. The ZZ has two mounted beam cannons and the hi-mega cannon besides one of the most powerful beam rifles in UC.

>>23295992
Doesn't Unicorn's Beam Magnum beat it in raw punch, despite ZZ's double barrel?

>>23222668 (OP)
>Which MP that did justice to the prototype machine?

>>23295637
There is an actual "Mass produced ZZ Gundam", although only 4 units were made since it was still expensive. Also the FAZZ, a simplified Full Armor ZZ with 3 units.

>>23295637
I’m glad there’s no MP zeta, I think it makes it cooler

>>23295634
>yo dawg, I heard you like funnels and incoms so we put funnels on your incoms

Hello lads

>>23296091
Look this ignorant nigga

>>23296081
And now there's the Theta Plus

>>23296668
What is that, Zeta and a half MP?

>>23296758
ZZ MP that transforms

>>23296768
We only know of one unit.

>>23296769
you also gonna complain about the other ones in this thread that have smaller production runs than there are fingers on one hand?

>>23296778
the difference is that nothing even describes Theta Plus as a mass produced unit or intended as one. If anything that seems unlikely given the only confirmed unit was used by a special agent at the time basically completely separate from Londo Bell chain of command and on direct orders from EFF HQ.

>>23296783
Nothing describes it as a custom MS or a one-of-a-kind machine either. It exists in the same space as the Delta Plus and Zeta Plus series of MS, better than a grunt but still cheaper and more economical-minded than the original prototype MS it was based on.

>>23274563
GP series apparently was focused on combining Zeonic and Federation suit design and suit performance enhancements. It's why the GP02 has Dom-like legs and the unfinished GP04 Gabera was able to be flipped into a Zeonic design so quickly.

>>23296796
But why did they give the GPO2A a villain head? Did they know it'd get stolen?

>>23296801
I mean, they WERE mounting a nuke bazooka on it. Makes sense they want it to look like a bad motherfucker

>>23296801
Basically, yes. Anaheim was getting money from the Feds and remnants and played both sides using the GP units. Modern media makes this worse by practically stating they intended for all units to be stolen:

-Gp 01 and 02 were likely meant to be stolen at Torrington, but Zeon only went for unit 2 for obvious reasons.
-Evolve has Cima's Marines try stealing 03.
-The marines fight 04, with Cima even going head to head against it, despite already knowing she'll get it later as a gift from Anaheim's president. Pretty much because she wanted to see how good it was.

Engage also added that surplus Gp series parts were given to remnants.

>>23296812
what modern media, exactly?
There's no evidence GP01 was intended to be stolen, and GP02 most likely was business between the soon-to-be-Titans and Delaz Fleet.
Evolve has GP03 wooping the Cima Fleet's ass, obviously if possible they'd try to take it but that looks to be an entirely one-sided affair.
True enough on GP04, but that was only after Feddies decided they don't want it because GP01 does its job well enough. Anaheim was pissed off and decided to sell it off to Cima.

Gelgoogs
If I remember correctly the first Gelgoogs were too expensive to manufacture but outperformed the Gundaam, then Zeon cut costs and made the mass produced Gelgoogs and they were nearly on par with the Gundam, too bad they were shit out right when the enemy is at your capital and had very little to no time to train in them.

>>23296838
MS-14 is still essentially on par with the Gundam, it just has some minor tweaks based on the feedback from YMS-14. Either way that didn't help much because the majority of them went to brand new recruits and student soldiers - the veterans didn't want to and didn't have time to relearn brand new suits in a matter of days so they stuck to their Zakus and Rick Doms. Except for the true aces who didn't have that skill issue and switched over to MS-14 platform, like Chimera Squadron.

I wish Karaba got the funding to mass produce Dijeh

>>23296838
Anything making Char's early gelgoog better was added after the fact. But even that's up in the air. Some books say it's a YMS-14A, basically a preproduction version of the normal mass production model, some say it's the MS-14S, a commander unit, which may or may not be better than the MS-14A. IIRC the MG gave it a few extra thrusters in the legs or something to suggest it's a little faster than the normal MS-14A. Either way, it's about the same as the Gundam but has much worse armor and no learning computer, which becomes more and more important every year apparently, so it's still probably worse overall.

>o bad they were shit out right when the enemy is at your capital and had very little to no time to train in them.
Neither did the GMs, but the Learning Computer data from the Gundam made up for that. This too was added after the fact. It's barely a thing in the show, but databooks and newer merch credit it as basically winning the war.

>>23226625
>based off of a mobile suit whose entire gimmick is that it transforms
>it doesn't actually transform
This has always bothered me about the mass-production Zeta. Does it at least compare to other limited production MP suits, like the MP ZZ or the Re-GZ?

>>23226534
its not called a NORMAL SIZE ZAM

>>23296069
luv me mp eva
almost completely unrelated to its predecessor and thats probably half of why it always gets skipped over by merchandisers and fan service, but still love

>>23297291
The MP Evangelions are fucking sick, yeah. But I always wondered, were they ever actually intended for mass-production or were they ritual tools for the Third Impact since the start?

>>23297133
YMS-14 and MS-14S are the same thing

>>23297291
>almost completely unrelated to its predecessor
The body is mostly the same, it's just the monster face that makes it off-putting.

>>23297156
the main misconception here is that Zeta's only thing is transformation. Zeta is a versatile assault unit, the transformation is just a means of facilitating that. A complicated one, so the attempt at mass production drops that and focuses on regular MS operation like Zeta's prototype.

>>23297302
could honestly be both, dont see why they wouldnt like a self-repairing Eva that doesn't require a moody teenager to operate

>>23297313
I mean, it is in fact more complex to build a transforming mass-production MS than a normal one (which is why we don't see stuff like, say, ReZELs and such in later UC shows, being phased out by stuff like the Jegan or Heavygun, which AREN'T transforming suits), but that's something that most of the production models of the Zeta's ancestry tried to keep. The Re-GZ had the BWS so it could at least deploy as a Waverider, if not transform, the Z+ line are... well, straight up Zeta models, but (iirc) without the orbital reentry capability or the biosensor, and the Z II and ReZEL are all transforming MS, though I'm not sure if they entirely count since they also took a lot of cues from the Methuss.

Is it possible to mass produce Kiryu?

>>23222668 (OP)
Doven Wolf is infinitely more useful than the entire rest of the Psyco Gundam family put together.

>>23300498

It'd be pretty difficult, given that it's built around the remains of Godzilla, but provided you could somehow clone a bunch of brain-dead Godzillas for the express purpose of mechanizing them into Kiryus (an endeavor which SURELY wouldn't have anything go catastrophically, cataclysmically wrong, nosirree-bob), then sure, why not.

Short answer: Technically Yes/Maybe
Long Answer: Do you really want to take that chance?

>>23226832
>No, it lacks a moveable frame.
sounds like bullshit

>>23301014
it's economy grunt, don't want to put movable frame in to avoid having to re-engineer the entire MS (it was possible to upgrade from GM I to II to III and the Feds are already cheapasses to begin with)

GM III only has moderate performance that movable frame doesn't benefit it the same way that it does for a transformable or high mobility MS (lighter construction, reduce stress on the body due to weight shifting when transforming)

besides, one of the benefit of movable frame is more efficient construction and cut down on weight, Gundam MkII and Hyaku Shiki weigh 33.4 and 31.5 tons empty. GM II and III weigh 40.5 and 38.6 tons.

>>23301057
You could have just posted one of those "my source is I made it the fuck up" images. Would have been more credible that way.

>>23301014
it has partial movable frame in the arms based on Mk-II, but for the most part it's still the GM II structure with a lot of renovations

>>23301057
It basically has simplified Mk-II arms like the other anon said. The backpack, head, and arms are new designs. And the rest was redesigned from the GM II to accept reinforcing components that enhance the GM II's weaknesses. Somehow, the Nouvel GM III manages to be like a real mass produced Gundam Mk-II despite basically being a souped up GM III with some extra new parts. The Sentinel Wars III diagram of the Nouvel GM III makes it seem like the the only major difference vs the GM III, is the improved reactor and the skirt power pack (same as the RX-78-2's)

>>23301452
he wanted bullshit, he gets bullshit

>>23274655
pomf

Would you considered Messer a Sazabi's MP? It was developed with Geara Doga and Sazabi data

>>23306489
It was designed based on them but it doesn't really share anything with Sazabi in what it's used for.

>>23306489
The real question is who made the Gustav Karl? What the fuck is "FD?" Narrative's profile for it says it was developed separately from the Jegan. Does that mean the federation made it? FD = Federal Development?

For me, it's the Jegan. Best MP suit in the Universal Century by far. It lasted from the time of CCA all the way up to F91.

>>23306539
It was designed and manufactured by the Earth Federation rather than Anaheim, hence the FD

>Mass Produced Psycho Gundam
They gonna have to make more unstable Cyber Newtype to pilot this

>>23308664
The Masspro Psycho Gundam uses a Quasi-Psycommu system so Oldtypes can pilot it as well

>>23306539
It's explicitly an Anaheim product.

Nuclear powered stealth MS that can turn invisible are too hax and need to be outlawed, mmmkay.

I like the idea of decades old mobile suits getting refurbished and given new life well into the 0090s.

>>23310837
There seems to be a market for this common IRL thing later into UC.

>>23311089
Is the 6000kw class mini-MS a reference to a Zanscare suit?

>>23311115
Yes, it's almost definitely a reference to the Contio, which has a 5960 kW reactor and the shot claw weapon for all-range attacks.

>>23311123
>all that hype for a glorified shot lancer

>>23311136
it's a fucken beam, that's not a real shot lancer

>>23311123
Right in his victorknee

>>23311139
>a knockoff shot lancer

>>23222668 (OP)
The Virgo II is terrifying. It has incredible firepower coupled with defensive capabilities that rival the Mercurius. No newtypes or ace pilots needed. They can have an entire fleet work at max efficiency with only one person controlling them. A single one of these would be massive threat in most other gundam universes comparible to their top unique machines.

>>23311136
It's obviously not trying to be anything like a shot lancer though? It's a wired beam claw/beam gun.

>>23311172
Beam taser

>>23310837
It seems that particularly once you get into GM Sniper II, Nemo, GM III type territory you're dealing with 'good enough' base performance for most tasks. The unmodified Gundam MK2 stays viable until the end of ZZ, later if you go by side material and it's the progenitor of second generation mobile suits.
Seems a little like how the F-4 Phantom was good enough at being a set of supersonic hardpoints that it's been in service with some air forces decades after getting outclassed by the teen series.

>>23311175
Are you replying to the wrong person or something? I'm confused.

>>23311183
he's autistic, he saw that the shot claw has a pointed tip so he hyperfixated on the shot lancer since both have pointy tips

when he goes out in public and sees traffic cones, he picks them up and uncontrollably starts running around trying to run people over with retard speed while making noises with his mouth

>>23311200
Im none of these anons

>>23311182
MK2 was viable but not elite anymore and needed the backpack. It's abilities were getting eclipsed by new machines and I'd argue that the Zaku III and especially Doven Wolf were flat out better.

>>23311307
I don't think needing the backpack is much of an own when they're designed integrally. Most mobile suits won't really perform without their usual backpack or something of equivalent utility.
And you're right about it not being top of the line by the end of ZZ, but my point is that it's over a certain 'good enough' performance threshold to stay competitive, which is relevant to the idea that a late OYW or Gryps era suit could be viable longer than you'd expect if you just riced the fuck out of it.

>>23311515
By backpack I mean the Super Gundam with new weapons. It needed more weapons and improvements to help it be exceptional.

>>23308645
why is he quoting from a book called The Sound from The Lift Moving
is this a Sound of Music sequel

>>23311307
The Zaku III and Doven Wolf were worlds apart. The Doven wolf is basicall a mass produced psycho gundam mkii while the Zaku III was nothing special. The Gaza D already had comparable specs and a transformation. The Zaku III's only upside was slightly better modularity. The Mk-II could probably take a Zaku III in combat 4 out of 10 times with similarly skilled pilots, the differences aren't that huge. Couldn't say the same about the Doven wolf.

>>23311597
The Super Gundam wasn't in ZZ, actually, just the base Mk2.

>>23306489
I would say Messer is what Zaku's sucessor supposed to be, improved and actually capable of fighting new generations of RGM instead of just another penny pinching disappointment. I wouldn't say it is a MP Sazabi since it doesn't have psychoframe.

>>23312066
Do they mass produced G-Defenser? They could've give it to GM III and Barzam to get a longer service out of them

>>23308645
What a bizarre line up, several MP suits that were not adopted and a Nouvel GM III.

>>23312161
this is par for the course for "we need unique suits for this team of almost-aces but they can't all have gundams.. yet"

it's a tradition started by sentinel where the pegasus III was intentionally given all the weirdo suits that would not fit into a conventional Feddy MS team like the S Gundam, FAZZ prototypes, Zeta Pluses, etc.

>>23312098
Not really mass production but a few extra units show up here and there in manga. AoZ had a Nemo equipped with the G-Defenser that also included an extra radome unit.

>>23312098
There's ReZEL models with new versions.

>>23313779
they carry a similar name but in reality they're more like HWS addons than a separate craft that docks with the ReZEL

>>23222668 (OP)
According to
>https://zeonic-republic.net/?page_id=11117
>This model is part of the AMX-011C Zaku III Late Type series. A stark difference from its predecessor is the omission of its snout mega particle cannon and a significantly enhanced generator output of 800 kW. This sets it apart from the Deikun faction’s AMS-119 Geara Doga, which focused on quantity; this model hinted at its primary function: high-performance acts of terror in limited numbers.
>In terms of simple catalog specifications, this unit’s performance surpasses even the RF-series of the Mars Independent Zeon Forces. Of course, the AMS-119 and RF-series have the advantage in cost and production efficiency, and they can’t be directly compared (it’s like comparing a family car to a sports car).
Therefore the Doven Wolf too should still be better than the RF series except maybe the Charles Gelgoog or higher ends. This means it's surprisingly not outdated by over 20 years after ZZ.

>>23311160
Was legit worse than the original Virgo though. The original Virgo's had a much more powerful gun and no one ever really learned how to consistently deal with their shields before they were just kind of swept under the rug to be replaced with the II. Meanwhile the II's shields at some point just stop being effective for some reason and even friggin machine guns are managing to shoot them down. The only thing the 2 has over the 1 is it actually has dedicated space thrusters. But if they can strap a booster onto a Leo to make it space worthy I don't se why they couldn't with the Virgo 1.

>>23222668 (OP)
One of the only mass production mecha that is actually more advanced and effective than the bespoke prototypes.

>Gyan getting mass produced
>doesn't get job and shows squad of them take down Big Zam
I feel like the showrunner really like Gyan

>>23314443
Not surprising
They are literally made to counter Big Zams

>>23314443
To be fair it has barely anything common with the original Gyan and even looks like it's a Gundam derivative like the GMgoog.

>>23222668 (OP)
But her mom is still hotter.

Fou acted as a mass produced item in FGO so maybe he counts.