Thread 23257815

I'm about to start watching this anime. Wish me luck on this journey.

>>23257815 (OP)
Best of luck.
The next episode previews are really good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fG64iLYLm0&ab_channel=mackiekenstingray

>>23257815 (OP)
Awesome. I hope you enjoy the OVAs as well.

>>23260624
OP DON'T WATCH THE OVAS

>>23260705
Anon your production order?
>anon doesn't want OP to be a wise man who's experienced all of Votoms
The post-show ones are disappointing in their own way to be fair, or at least they shouldn't have existed

The 80s OVAs are great, don't listen to anyone who says otherwise. Everyone who says Big Battle is bad didn't actually watch it.

OP here. So far I'm enjoying it a lot. I like the fact that it seems it was targeted towards a more mature audience.

>>23260624
>>23260705
>>23260710
Unfortunately the OVA are bit difficult to find in a good video quality.

>>23261279
>it was targeted towards a more mature audience
It's a cartoon for children.

>>23261279
>it was targeted towards a more mature audience.
Yikes. "My serious man-animu isnt just for kiddie-fellers like you" ahh post

>>23261279
I don't know about mature, but it is very fun. Uoodo has an A-Team thing going on with how the characters work with one another.
>>23261864
MUSTARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRD

>>23260710
>>23261279
DON'T WATCH IT, IT'S ONLY MORE MUSURU

>>23261279
After episode 13, You can watch the last red shoulder as it takes place between it and episode 14 or you can go back to it after finishing the main series.

>>23257815 (OP)
Godspeed

>>23261727
Yeah, for children of the 1970s, who grew up into teenagers in the '80s, when Votoms first aired.

>>23263149
No.

>>23262723
This is the one thing away from production order I'd recommend, I didn't bother with doing this but it's a harmless choice, might even work out better than production order, for reasons.

>>23260710
>>23260705
The OVAs can't be that disappointing.

>>23262723
That doesn't really work because regardless because Red Shoulder Document was made AFTER.

>votoms is a dark gritty mature anime
I can't believe I fell for this meme
You people either don't watch shows or actively prank people by lying

>>23264517
A lot of old hyperbole has done the rounds for new entrants, a lot of people aren't entirely into these genres, a lot is therefore lost in communication.

>>23263338
I don't really know how to word it, they do have a lot of enjoyable parts, but I think things should have been left alone at the end of the show instead of getting more post-show content.

>>23265266
There's literally nothing wrong with the first three OVAs. Shining Heresy and everything made after? Sure, never gave a shit about those. Merowlink was overrated when I finally saw it.

>>23257815 (OP)
The first 10-15 episodes are good. I don't remember anymore much of it.
Then the story gets downhill crap.
Anything the main character progressed in the first part of the story, gets kinda of a reset, and it is a cycle of repeat the same stuff.

To think Votoms inspired this shitty gay anime.

>>23265346
Anon I'm >>23260710 who was objecting to "don't watch the OVAs", aka liked them, I was just politely responding to a (You) and voicing my worries about Shining Heresy and Phantom Arc.
>the first three
>The Last Red Shoulder, Big Battle, Seed of Ambition
They're absolutely fine, Big Battle felt like a regular multi-parter, and the prequel ones were very enjoyable. Haven't seen Mellowlink yet
>didn't like Pailsen Files (which came out after Shining Heresy)
I don't agree with some people saying it was the best one, but maybe it's because of the 2000s artstyle and CGI.
>>23265403
>doesn't remember much more of it but knows it gets worse
>thinks Chirico regressed

>>23265403
I like Votoms but I dropped the show around the time they got to the jungles of space Vietnam. The first arc ended well and then it got repetitive

>>23265457
>dropping the best arc
what is this bait

Finished the OG series today, it was pretty good. I knew the ending but there were still lots of surprises along the way. I had seen Uodoo a while back and I got the impression it was written on the same level as Clone Wars, but the future episodes were very good. Rochina was a cool character. I'm glad I watched it; it was consistently interesting and engaging and a lot deeper than I thought it would be. I wish there was a bit more time on Quent, but oh well.

Such a cozy show. Is there anything in the same vein when it comes to atmosphere? I've already checked out Gasaraki, which has satiated my need for the quiet buzz of machines.

VOTOMS threads generally reveal how little interest people have in wider mecha based on how early they drop it or how they think "you only need to watch this part" when you need to watch all of it.

>>23265669
For a hobby board /m/ sure hates engaging with it.

>>23265346
Merowlink has several filler episodes. This is unacceptable in a 12-episode series.

Votoms episode 3?

I finished episode 12 and I hope there are more variety of mecha and not just this one. So far I'm enjoying the show a lot.

>>23265457
Man, then you dodged a bullet because the third arc (Sunsa) is even worse. First is PTSD Ship, then 6~7 episodes of nothing but SAND and Chrico being pursued by a fat girl while slowly dying from dehydration.
I'm not kidding, that's what happens. It gets better in the final arc (Quent), but boy does Sunsa fucking suck.

>>23267697
There is a clear evolution line of machines as the series advances towards the end, but most of them are variants of the Scopedog.

>>23265663
>People talking: The Anime
I like a lot of aspects of Gasaraki but goddamn if it wasn't gigaboring most of the time. For most of the episodes all I was thinking while watching was "can I see some fucking robots, please?"
But then again I'm more of a super robot kind of guy, so maybe it's really good for those who enjoy real robot more.

>>23265669
Some shows are just kind of boring. Try sit through Argento Soma and see if it doesn't put you to sleep despite the interesting ideas

>>23265424
Source? I don't believe it.

>>23267980
Military shows are just not for you.

>>23268029
>Argento Soma
I can save myself the trouble because I can tell that's something just not for me. Too many fucking people do that on this board, they watch things they're not actually interested in, hence why there's constant fucking "where do I start" and "what parts do I watch" threads.

I should give Votoms another try. I usually need some special type of state to watch older shows because ngl they're a bit way too slow for my liking. I got to the point where Chirroco and the crew find the diamonds but can't really remember the context and stuff. I'm just waiting to see if it'll start to have a flow soon or if it's just Chirroco just bouncing between areas until the end.

>>23267697
Once you hit the Kummen arc in like 2 episodes, you'll see more variety in Mecha. This isn't Gundam though, so don't expect crazy shit to just pop up out of nowhere.

>>23269399
you talk too much. Votoms TV is objectively long and objectively has lots of reused animation. Mellowlink is more entertaining

>>23269615
Oh my god stop watching anime.
"It's too long ugh too much reused animation" you fucking LOSER.

>>23269443
You should finish school first.

>>23269615
ESLs get the fucking rope.

>>23267980
>People talking: The Anime
I like it. Most of the Patlabor movies are like that, too.
>>23269615
SAAR THE REUSED ANIMATION SAAR

>>23269615
>objectively long
That's what your mom calls me.

>>23269782
You shouldn't let women objectify you like that, King

>>23269641
>>23269758
>>23269782
no idea where you got the ESL/pajeet bit from but I forgot to mention that Votoms TV also has super obnoxious reused sound effects. The scopedog skating sound is especially grating

>>23269630
getting tired of you boomer fucks on this general man, all you do is whine about everything dude.
/m/illenial here

>>23269925
for me it was the clown horn in the early episodes but it was also really funny

>>23269928
Nah, you sound like a faggy zoommie

Im just popping in to call anyone shit talking Gasaraki a fag, and tell you to watch FLAG

So the concept of Perfect Soldier is kinda similar to Newtype, right?

>>23270244
Not really.

>>23269925
Go watch Hasan Piker or something.

>>23271575
Bro you don't own Votoms. I actually liked the Uoodo arc , the OVAs, and the games, and Galient and Layzner are some of my favorite anime. It's just the scopedog combat in the original show that is cool at first then gets boring by the 50th time it uses the skates/spikes/punch gimmicks. It's just gratuitous violence that goes on a little too long with very little meaningful dialogue or narration. Like Rambo first blood part 2 or something similar. If you don't want to hear what I have to say then just stop replying to me with weird assumption about my age and race demographics

This guy is a retard

>>23271575
VOTOMS: Hasan Piker Files

Stop fucking up the thread.

>>23271802
Yeah you're not into this stuff.

>>23265785
he's not ready for that yet

The non linear episode was a bit weird. I liked it.

>>23267941
Quent has a Dune sandworm and elephants, that makes it much better already

>>23271926
It was never a good thread. Votomsfags can't handle anything but pure praise for the TV series. They can't discuss anything. They can't post relevant or rare images(It's all recolored scopedogs anyway). It's a pointless thread

>>23273002
Are you saying it's.... Museru?

>>23257815 (OP)
Stick it out. No matter how boring it gets. The show gets better and better the longer it goes, and peaks with the first few OVAs. Pailsen Files and the Finder ones are kind of duds.

>>23265663
Dougram probably.

Wish the Votoms FM3 clone was translated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrMA0xXwo5E

Sometimes I feel a bit lost following the alliances in the plot.

>>23269758
>People talking: The Anime
That's how Takahashi does things. There's a whole episode in Fang of the Sun where the central plot is a government administrator trying to work out agricultural reform between poor sharecroppers and rich landlords while the guerillas try and figure out how to get guns from Earth. I swear the only reason he included mecha fights every episode was because he was contractually obligated to by the merchandising sponsors.

>>23275766
The best episodes of Dougram are when it's only people talking, I completely lost interest when Crinn and the Dougram are the focus.

I Rewatched this in bluray this year, the jungle arc is fucking maybe the best idea in anime ever created. I fucking loved the music and vibe. I wish that part went on like that. I thought the rest of the show was fine but rushed, maybe? I just like mercenary plots, and it's super rare as a theme. But I really wish they would have bought up that he was the last red shoulder more. But overall, it's aged extremely well.

Fyana is my wife.

>>23277011
Rare good post.

Given the scope of Votoms' setting, what stories would you like to see?

>>23275766
>the only reason he included mecha fights every episode was because he was contractually obligated to by the merchandising sponsors
It's super obvious when that happens too lol. The episode will either open or close with a literally 3 minute ambush that has nothing to do with the rest of the episode and is clearly only there because it has to be.

>>23277688
The constant battles would have felt less egregious if they weren't so lopsided in favor of the Dougram. I'll say this about the (never to be finished) GET TRUTH, at least the fights feel like Crinn survives by the skin of his teeth.

>>23277704
The meaningful fights that actually serve plot purposes are. The random filler fights really are just there because he was contractually required to include a fight every episode. Anon's hunch wasn't wrong. There's 75 episodes, so that's a lot of chaff.

Would anyone eventually go crazy if they kept having to wake up to the Gilgamesh military song
I was going to test this out, but I can't seem to find it on the OST

>>23278424
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwm09IMxaKE

I wish there was more variety in AT design. Apart from that the anime is cool in its entirety so far.

>>23278424
It's from an Italian comedy, that's why.

>>23277394
Just the original show, honestly.

>>23277394
I want to see a work that uses the various more futuristic AT designs

>>23278512
Thank you
>>23280128
What the fuck
Granted, it was a bit funny the first few times the song started blasting without context or known reason

>>23278512
>>23280128
Kek. I would never guess.

>>23257815 (OP)
If I flat out don't remember and am 50/50 on whether I ever watched it, that means I didn't, right?
Surely something would've had staying power in my mind that I would know I watched it. Wakes up girl from a tube and that's all I got, so maybe that's the first episode and I got distracted by something shiny and didn't come back

>>23269615
You're completely right. VOTOMS is set in a cool universe with cool designs but chirico and the jijirium conspiracy aren't interesting enough to carry the whole show. Quant was the only arc that didn't feel dragged out, but it was a completely different type of sci-fi from the rest of the show and I'm sure plenty of people didn't like it because of that. Speds don't want to hear that old cartoons aren't perfect pieces of high art though.

Whoever made this image...10/10

I love the "hero walk" in the opening. It reminds me of the tokusatsu OPs and EDs I used to watch when I was child.

むせる

>>23261727
So depictions brutal murder is appropriate for children?

>>23284677
More accurate dialogue would have been
>POSAYDAL: You dare challenge my Original Auge of billiant gold with that junkyard reject?
>CHIRICO: ...
>POSAYDAL: You show no fear before the might of Oldna Posaydal?
>CHIRICO: Fyana...

>>23285218
Honestly Votoms was pretty tame compared to some earlier shows.

>>23286006
>>23285218
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxeuOHgppRw

>>23285218
>yes.jpg

>>23285218
No, it's essential.

>>23285218
Xenocide is the only way to be sure.

>>23277704
>at least the fights feel like Crinn survives by the skin of his teeth.
they don't though
I remember Dougram only takes real damage like twice. Most of the time it's invincible, and of course it has to be since it's the only robot the rebels have for most of the show

>>23286797
I meant the fights in the "Get Truth" manga are more visceral and intense than in the TV series.

> it's the only robot the rebels have for most of the show

Allegedly it was Takara who made the close off the plot about getting the Dougram mass-produced so as not to devalue its image as a thing kids would want to buy.

>>23269273
Gasaraki is more like a conspiracy show than a military show or a mecha show.

>>23278512
RE...
REDDO SHORUDAAAAAAAAAAA

>>23287842
Gasaraki, Raxhephon and Argento Soma are on my watchlist. I always see people comparing all of them to Evangelion.

What exactly happened to Chirico and Fyana in the end? They're left inside some kind of glass coffin floating in space Do they kinda... die?

>>23288637
Froze themselves.
Now go onto the OVAs in production order.

>>23285218
Kids used to watch Robocop.

Can someone give me the Nyaa link to where I can torrent all the OVAs?

>>23289331
well yeah, he can't die so...

>>23289329
We watched the tv edit version.

>>23289489
Here.

>>23289562
I watched it on video.

>>23289579
Okay you little turd but for actual kids back then we saw it on tv

>>23289489

https://nyaa.si/view/310239

>>23289583
I'm 34, I saw it on video because my dad had it on video, this is not hard to grasp.
>UH UH TV!
Okay cool you watched some TV edit.

>>23290332
Okay cool tough guy but Robocop didn't catch on with kids until the TV edit came out.

>>23288637
Watch Shining Heresy to find out.
You won't like it.

Also the Big Battle OVA takes place a little before the TV ending.

>>23290336
No there was a ton of kids that loved it before that. Don't forget it got an arcade game not long after the film came out and that was ported to nearly everything that could run it.

>>23292118
No. Robocop didn't get popular with children until the TV edit which is why Robocop 3 was made to be pg-13 and then the merchandise started being marketed towards kids. Fuck you faggot and your fucking dumb claims. Post some proof or kys.

None of this Robocop shit matters to a Japanese show like Votoms because they let their kids see much worse things. There was nothing wrong with Ideon being the show it was while Aoshima was also hocking a goofy model kit that could pop capsule toys out its vagina. Takara never got quite that silly with AT merchandise but there was the Choro-Q that was infamously coopted by a Korean anime movie.

>>23292447
That era is such a fever dream to me that I only recently learned that Peter Weller wasn't in Robocop 3 at all. The only scenes I remember are the android exploding and Robocop flying on a jetpack.

Just finished Roots of Ambition. So, The explanation for Chirico ultra skills is that he's just a super lucky guy? Is that simple?

>>23293293
Most people have average luck. Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes you don't. So wouldn't there be statisticaly outliers in terms of luck? People who have horrible luck and others with incredible luck? Maybe a guy who's basically a statistical anomaly that somehow survives everything?

>>23293319
I think that's the plot of that old M. Night Shyamalan movie with Bruce Willis.

>>23293293
Watch Pailsen Files. It explains everything.

>>23293293
Chirico is actually skilled, he's just an statistical anomaly. He also has a healing factor.

There were others like him (Pailsen Files), but he survived the longest.

I'm about to start Mellowlink and unfortunatelly there isn't a high resolution version to the whole series yet.

Mellowlink looks more powerfull than Ypsilon, Fyana and Chirico combined.

>>23293293
Yes, because he's the MC and he's just made of sterner stuff thanks to everything he's gone through. But I assume also latent Overman evolution plays a role in why he's recovering from the crazier injuries, especially during the back half of the show.

>>23278424
>>23278512
>>23280128
ive been using it as my alarm for the last 15 years, im still relatively ok

NTA, I was the one who last finished Phantom Arc, finished Alone Again now (so that leaves I think Mellowlink, Case; Irvine, and Votoms Finder, and the text-only story that follows Phantom Arc?). I didn't expect to care about Teitania, but damn...
I think this might be a 10/10 franchise, maybe dipping down to 9/10 depending on whether or not there should have been any post-show plot. I think there can be beauty even in tragedy, so in that sense it remains a 10/10. Here's hoping that the text gives us deliverance from sweet misery.

>>23299763
Then I shall do so also

>>23300057
>>23257815 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMJNLrRMS4Q

>>23280146
You should read Guraman's (Koji Akimoto, Madox mechanical designer) stuff on Tim Eldred's site.
He also has an artbook on e-hentai with some of his Votoms work.

Does Fyana ever get to do anything but get kidnapped in the OVAs?

>>23303372
Sometimes she's brutish

I hope Shining Heresy is as good as Mellowlink.

Haha...

>>23260705
The Last Red Shoulder was probably the best demonstration of the tactical/operational/strategic merits of mecha from a military perspective in all of anime.
>can operate anywhere
>provide the same capabilities as mechanized formations
>small footprint for armies that are limited more by manpower than industrial capacity.
>actually pop smoke.

>>23277394
I want to see something from the perspective of a staff officer. In my mind the real in real robot comes from the operational level of command. I want to see an operation planned from start to completion, with no bullshit and all the logistical nitty gritty that comes with it. I want a discussion of which roads in the AO are wide enough to support the trucks that the ATs are transported on. Ryōsuke Takahashi was involved in logistics for a major Japanese megacorp before he went into anime, and I want him to treat that like a big dick for him to swing around.

>>23306314
The Fatty vs The Chubby

I'm halfway through Shining Heresy and the animation is pretty good.

Ugh. I hate how I have to watch Pailsen Files before I can start playing SRWZ2. I've watched the first episode, and it just looks like more fucking Shining Heresy-type boring.

>>23310843
>I hate how I have to watch Pailsen Files before I can start playing SRWZ2
That is wholly on you for forcing yourself to do that

What are your thoughts on the PS2 game?

>>23312733
Damn fine. Probably will the best VOTOMs game ever and certainly one of the best /m/ games out there.

>>23312733
Really liked it.

>>23312958
>>23313071
Glad some of you like it. If only there were an English patch.

Im going to buy the Wave battling set (3 1/35 scopedogs) for customs. What would some of you suggest for weapons, equipment and colors?

>>23267697
Mellowlink has some nice ones.

>>23313815
I like to think that high top scopedog pilot also has a high top haircut and he modified the scopedog head because it kept pushing his hair down and rounding off the edges of his haircut

Just started Pailsen Files and I'm a bit disapointed. Maybe it's because I dislike the use of CGI.

>>23257815 (OP)
Is Dougram good? i didn't mind the ending of Votoms and i like it when characters just talk about politics, is Dougram like that?

Still watching Pailsen Files.
I really don't like all these stories that involve Chirico's own military trying to kill him to make him the ubermensch, they're all the same repetitive mediocrity. I'd rather just see him thrown into the meat grinder of war instead.

>>23318201
Have you not seen the tv series to know that the show is about SPACE Jesus?

>>23318203
Why does that matter?

>>23318206
Yeah look buddy, you got fooled. All of VOTOMs ended up being about SPACE Jesus, not some nitty gritty icky war PTSD-bukake-all-over-face thing like it would seem initially.

Except maybe Mellowlink, he has jam on his face instead.

>>23317058
I haven't seen Dougram but apparently it is the ONE show by the creator that's actual real robots with no magic tricks.
>>23275766
>>23276297
>>23277688
Apparently you're in for a treat if you love people just talking. I'm not sure how deep or intricate the politics will be, but it's definitely on my list of things to watch.

>>23318257
There are no magic tricks but the Dougram is still practically invincible and has ill-defined advantages over other Combat Armors. Like being able to fight underwater is a game changer.

>>23318216
I'm aware. Still pretty obnoxious and repetitive. Plus if they want to be Dune, then just be Dune and not a war documentary.

>>23318271
>pretty obnoxious and repetitive.
yes just like the bible, but in SPACE

>>23318273
You have the option not to respond. I'd rather you take that instead of lazily shitpost at me.

>>23318275
Jeez if you don't like the Bible, substitute it with Quran (in SPACE) or whatever text yourself. How is anyone supposed to know which freaky religion (in SPACE) (You) subscribe to.

>>23318201
How far are you into it?
I liked it more on a rewatch recently

>>23318281
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5Y25FT7DxE

Took me two weeks to watch Pailsen Files, but I've finally finished it. Now all that's left to watch of VOTOMS is Mellowlink.

>>23321963
>two weeks
One episode a day or just had other major activities getting in the way if you don't mind me asking?

>>23321969
No motivation to actually watch this, and it kept tormenting my thoughts and keeping me from watching other shit.
I have this autistic complex that makes me fear that if I watch anime in the "wrong" order, the Schutzstaffel will kick down my door and shoot me dead for race treason.

>>23318216
>Yeah look buddy, you got fooled. All of VOTOMs ended up being about SPACE Jesus, not some nitty gritty icky war PTSD-bukake-all-over-face thing like it would seem initially.
I fucking love it for that, this stuff is supposed to be swash-buckling, psychedelic entertainment. The whole "realism" aspect to real robot shows is entirely around the presentation of the robots, nothing else.

>>23317058
The best parts of Dougram is when it's just characters talking, the weakest parts are when the actual protagonists are on screen. Don't marathon it, treat it slowly. It's a unique show despite its flaws.

>>23318281
This frame is reminding me of the screaming Sakura moment from Betterman.

What type of Votoms game would you like to see?

>>23265785
I still don't understand this meme.

>>23265700
What episodes are filler?

>>23260705
I haven't seen the sequel ovas but I have seen the old ones plus pailsen files and they all ranged from really to pretty good.

>>23327129
the ps2 game but more of it and in English

What is the consensus on Pailsen Files here?

>>23336790
Fuck off zoomer retard.

>>23336790
Mostly entertaining, not very offensive or infuriating in any way. Basically just further adventures of Chirico when he was still with the Gilgamesh army, and they transfer him into a unit consisting of other special survivors and put them in harms way to see what happens.

What AT would you like to see more variants of?

>>23330304
It's making fun of a dumb poster who thought all bald people were Onepunch Man.

The last Votoms anime was back in 2011, when are we going to get a new one?

>>23330394
You don't deserve to watch anything.

>>23340886
Beetle

>>23336790
Pilsen files was kino.

>>23340886
The coolest, (that being the TURTLE)

>>23267941
PTSD ship is the best part of the show you pleb

>>23286006
>>23286015
zambot was so unnecessarily mean spirited ffs...

>>23257815 (OP)
you know what, im gonna rewatch it
best of luck

>>23362130
Great scan.

Does anyone have a working set of Japanese subtitles for the original show? The ones at kitsunekko either don't seem to work or aren't timed correctly.

fucks me up that there will never ever be more votoms

>>23367890
Have you read the text-only sequel to Shining Heresy and Phantom Arc anon

>>23257815 (OP)
The people saying it gets better in this thread are weird. I thoroughly enjoyed the first couple arcs, 3rd was boring and 4th was just plain fucking stupid, took me months to get through and I finally finished this week. Total shift from a war focus to a silly plot about a fake god. Also Fyana is annoying as shit I hope I never have to hear her scream CHIRICO again in my life.

>>23369305
Those last two arcs are a test as to who is a real fan or not.

>>23367972
i didn't enjoy shining heresy :(

It's his birthday today, say something nice.

>>23372321
I refuse to say anything nice about him.

>>23369690
I have mixed feelings about it too, but don't you want to know how it ends? Like, if he was brought back for more of a nightmare, you'd at least hope that it works out for him in the end, right
>>23372321
He's doing his best and I hope he is able to get some rest

>>23336790
loved the OP

>>23372924
This, but hoping he suffers more.

>>23372953
This is one of the meanest things I've ever read on this website, what did that poor man ever do to you? Chirico is a friend

>>23372321
<3

Finally finished Mellowlink yesterday. Which means I've watched all the OVAs.

>>23372979
Because Chirico killed my grandma, okay?

>>23373263
Congrats on finishing the OVAs.

>>23336790
It was meh, TV was slow as hell at times but the Movie version unironically cuts too much fat.
In the grand scheme of things it's a good piece of media because it covers some interesting part of Chirico's life and answers some questions like where the fuck Rochina even came from, on the other hand it feels kinda forced at times and it has the usual pacing problems despite some great episodes here and there.
Pailsen's side of the story for instance could have been executed better imo, the entire detainment and torture section feel silly in hindisght considering how that whole plot point ends, Chirico and his old bros take a hell of a lot of time to actually warm up to each other and then it all ends immediately when they finally do, which I guess it's sorta the point of the drama but it feels kinda silly all the same, especially considering what happens in the last episode.
tl:dr; it's firmly mid-tier when it comes to side material, above Big Battle, Case Irvine and Finder at least.

>>23377521
You didn't like Big Battle? Felt like a natural two-parter that took place during the show.

>>23350478
It's sad we don't have a high definition version of Pilsen Files.

>>23379777
The best they could do with it is some kind of digital upscale like other early digital anime.

>>23378140
Not him, but Big Battle just felt like unspectacular filler, and also just used Fyana as a damsel rather than as a character.

>>23380199
Ok that's completely fair, I thought it was still harmless, although I do agree about Fyana.
Also I somehow misinterpreted your ranking as dislike, rather than just a humble ranking. Haven't seen the non-Chirico OVAs yet, but here's my shitty ranking.
Show >> Origin of Ambition >> Last Red Shoulder > Pailsen Files = Big Battle > Alone Again > Phantom Arc > Shining Heresy
Without a rewatch, I really can't get the stain of "why did they continue the story" out of my head, so this ranking is fully and completely biased. Big Battle probably should be about as low as you ranked it in terms of quality, since being harmless and inoffensive aren't actual positive qualities and certainly not strong ones.

>>23378140
It's not that Big Battle is bad, it has good fights, the animation and direction is good, Niva was a neat antagonist and all that, it's just that it's a super minor action flick with little bearing on anything regarding the bigger picture.
Roots of Ambition and Last Red Shoulder for instance have a stronger connection to the main series, the cast has a strong emotional connection to Chirico and the overall story with Pailsen, there's none of that in Big Battle, it's "just" a good action flick with some really cool cuts.

>>23380371
That's fair enough, I misunderstood what anon meant in his ranking system, and the heartbreak of the post-show OVAs was so strong that "unimportant and inoffensive filler" was strongly endearing in comparison to the mixed feelings I have about Shining Heresy and on.

>>23288163
Rah is EVA if EVA had an ending that wasn't Anno zipping open his pants and pissing on his audience. Argento Soma is astronauts, with the only real EVA link being that the robots in the show are puppetered ayylmao bodies.

>>23380199
More of you fucking cunts need to untrain your instant dismissal of "filler".

Team Sunrise.

>>23380443
>pissing on his audience
Retard.

>>23380951
reminds me of how VOTOMS was a Brave at one point.

Thinking of watching Dougram. Are there usable subtitles out there?

>>23387142
yes

>>23390588
Why did it take two days for you to answer me? God /m/ is such a dead board they should just split the tokushit off into a different board

>>23390815
cry more bitch nigga

>finally got around to putting together pic related after having it on the backburner for a few years
>got it super cheap alongside a trio pack of Scopedog Customs from a guy who was offloading his entire collection of this range (inc. the diorama ones and transporter) he never even opened
>look up current prices for the other packs
>over five times what I paid for
>engineer_nope.tiff

Would've bought the lot if I wasn't fucking unemployed at the time, fuck's sake

>>23267980
What's the appeal of super robot shows? Not trying to shit on anyone but they mostly seem like the kind of monster-of-the-week shows I'd watch when I was 9

>>23398069
Depends on what we're even talking about
"Super Robot" is a term that means a million different things, but I'll say at the bare minimum there tends to be a lot more variety than just standard Gundam/Macross esque war stories
Sure, "Real Robots" have weird outliers like VOTOMS and Xabungle, but "Super Robot" has no standard template to begin with unless we're talking about strictly the 1970s in which case there's a lot of Mazinger ripoffs. But starting from the 80s super robot meant everything from "elementary schoolers going on isekai adventures" (Wataru) to "A team of hitmen uncover an Egyptian conspiracy to blow up Jupiter" (Braiger) to "an alien princess comes to Earth in order find a group of ninjas to rescue her from the rebel army" (Tobikage) to Transformers

>>23398205
Real vs Super doesn't even say much about the story content either. Dougram is much more similar to Baxingar or even Daimos than it is to Votoms, its immediate successor. Frankly I'm surprised at how dull Gasaraki is when Takahashi also made this douchebag making a few phone calls the most terrifying thing in Dougram.

>>23400503
Dat forehead size.

>>23400824
He’s a good looking 25 year old.

What is the best Scopedog variant?

>>23402274
Red Shoulder Custom

>>23257845
Great instrumentals.

New Anti-Ship Chubby

>>23408527
Backpack about the size of the AT with a deadly needle harmonica gun. Neat.

>>23257815 (OP)
Wish the blu-ray release of this was still available.

>>23257845
god this theme is so nostalgic

>>23391189
>>23391187
fuck off spammer

>>23257845
Ah yes the holy grail of /m/ lost music. This isn't available anywhere and considered to be lost media until someone found this soundcloud back in the day, likely to be the source for the video BGM (https://desuarchive.org/m/thread/9870206/#9892960), but still not the original thing which has eluded even the japs for decades. Wonder if we'll ever see it in its original, pure and amazing form.

>>23413625
It drives me mad that some of the tracks from the ovas iirc are also just nonexistent

>>23400503
FUCK LECOCK

Chirico stoic personality is something I rarely see in a mecha show.

>>23400024
huh, besides the old wise man archetype, Votoms really had it all
Kino

>>23421100
Which is almost kinda weird when you think about. That stoic personality is usually what's applied to most action hero types.

>>23400503
>Lecoque
The entire last arc of the show is picrel and it's fucking great.

>>23424783
the helicopter scene is honestly one of the best anime scenes of all time

>>23400024
>Destin = Gosterro

Eh...kinda?

>Denon = Gresco

holy shit

>>23425758
>Von Stein finally does something based
>all it does is help Lecock consolidate his power

Finished Mellowlink the other day, I liked it a lot. I kind of wish it went a bit deeper with the melancholic/emotional feeling established with the amazing op (THE DREAM OF THE SAD MENNNN), but it's mostly Mellowlink fucking shit up for 12 episodes with an occasional dip into being thoughtful. I marked out every time the pilebunker bayonet gets used.
Also I don't remember if it's brought up in the main series at all but I find the idea of the ATs being essentially filled with extremely flammable and explosive gasoline to act as the solution to enable their feats of movement very funny. ATs are disposable gliding coffins.

>>23428574
That last column is based on Masashi Hirose playing all three as generally assholish lunatics.

>>23425758
>the helicopter scene
which one

>>23429491
Yeah, it was great, there's really nothing else like it. Feels like if someone tried to make a mecha version of Home Alone with how elaborate Mellowlink's revenge scenarios were
Like yeah, I know, Heavy Object is also about normal dudes destroying giant robots on foot, but the hard edged lone wolf atmosphere that Mellowlink has gives it an entirely different feel. The fact that he's personally gimping himself just to make the revenge more ironic feels like a much better explanation for the concept too

>>23431298
The scene where Lecoque rolls a nat 20 on his charisma check and gets Von Stein's own men to kill him right as he's going to negotiate with the Deloyer rebels.

>>23430579
Wait he was also Yu?

>>23431907
bro spoilers

I started watching the show a couple of days ago, and I'm surprised how little happens in 12 episodes. Which would be forgivable if it were an episodic MotW type of show, but there's a plot and a core mystery, yet the story so far has been going in circles. Chirico got captured three times, tortured twice, and rescued by the same crew a couple of times. It's all confined to the same city, dealing with the same characters and the same game of cat and mouse. It is weirdly paced. Despite that, I'm enjoying it. I like the characters and the atmosphere, and the soundtrack is fantastic. Really digging Cocona's silly expressions btw. What a lovely character.

>>23434796
Yeah but Chirico slaughters dozens of cops so it's based

>>23434796
Save your judgements until after you've watched the whole thing.

>>23434796
>Chirico got captured three times, tortured twice

Girls like that sort of thing.

Why do they lower the audio pitch for the second version of Dougram's OP

>>23431490
You know I feel dumb now I didn't put together that he's using the anti-tank rifle to kill them all because of the irony of these people being responsible for his team being sent out to die as armour hunters. I just accepted that's what he yoinked in the court and skedaddled on out with.
I haven't heard the name Heavy Object in quite a while but I can see the connective tissue, just wasn't expecting to see it referenced in a VOTOMS thread.

Unrelated to Mellowlink, is there anything I should know about the PS2 VOTOMS game before attempting to emulate/play it, besides obviously getting a TL patch. Any quirks/things not explained well to you that you might want to know before going in?
Here's a picture of my poorly assembled Burglarydog as payment.

>>23440206
Looks good to me.

37 episodes into Dougram. Do the guerillas ever get any armor besides the titular mech?

>>23443291
Yes and they are completely useless.

>>23443344
He's doing his best you jerk!

>>23444119
Never has a machine gone from terrifying to an utter jobber like the Ironfoot.

>>23444119
His best isn't good enough then.

>>23444191
>terrifying

When?

>>23446918
Just a pair of them nearly defeat the Dougram in their debut episode. Takara probably thought the design was too ugly to sell well, even as a bad guy, so the show made them Crinn's useless backup.

>>23447751
were they the ones where they remembered X-Nebula was a thing and they were the revolutionary un-nebulized untis on par with Dougram?

>>23447774
I think it's more they were the new toys so the show had to make them look good. They never seem this coordinated and powerful in the hands of the Deloyer troops.

https://youtu.be/JBsZKR4TjjE

>>23447805
they lost

>>23447774
You might thinking of the upgraded Blockheads since X-nebula proofing is part of their deal and things played similarly, they were real dangerous in their debut episode and after that didn't come off as particularly any more threatening than anything prior.

>>23447396
A pretty nice Diorama

>>23448943
yeah that sounds good
I def recall "okay gang, this week X-Nebula matters again" and then the baddies promptly go to jobbing
my fave dougramwinslol was when they chased him to a conveniently CA-sized chasm, he hops in, they CANT POSSIBLY GUESS WHERE HE WENT, walk past, then he Dougram Jumps at them

>>23448881
They forced Crinn and the gang to retreat. If they wanted the Dougram to annihilate them, it probably would have.

>>23448943
Recoloring the Blockheads felt like something either Takara or Sunrise lobbied for. Like the red wasn't attractive enough or wasn't easy to work with so they changed it. The Bigfoots immediately getting put in tracksuits was definitely the animators saying they weren't going to draw a new robot unless it got simplified.

cool, I just started as well

Is there a list of all the Dougram mechs and their names?

>>23449529
https://www.mahq.net/dougram-anime/

>>23449123
You have an incredibly simplistic perspective.

>>23452222
>mahq
Won't that website melt my phone?

Okay, I guess the Combat Armors in episodes 38 to 41 are just beige-colored Blockheads.

Caught you in the act, Axia Delta.

Interesting how Axia Delta randomly stopped like that.

Are you have a mental break down on your end of the internet? Here's a service doggo if you need it.

>>23454516
Oh no, Cirno with a gun! I bet it's loaded in 9s!
>>23454462
This one is legit creepy, is this a parody of that tooth brushing scene from Monogatari?

Why is no one banning Duel

>>23454523
So I may have done something to the janitors and modify. Not gonna say. Shhhhhhhhhh ;)

VOTOMS sure gets a lot of crossover art worth maids.

>>23454523
Just ignore and report.

>>23454606
He won't.