It's just bad. Now I don't have the confidence to say if it's bad by general /m/ standards, or even overall Gundam standards, but it's definitely bad by UC standards. Not only is it worse than ZZ, it's worse than just ZZ's first half. You could say it's like ZZ in reverse, so it starts mediocre then gets bad, but it's not even that. Victory starts bad, ascends to mediocrity when they get to space, then plunges back into the abyss. And the culprit is not the tires, it's Victory's terrible writing. The turning point for me was around episode 25, where Uso shows up to rescue Shahkti from the palace, and she's clearly distressed and not on board with being there, but then HE tells her to stay because her momma is there, and even tells her he's fine with becoming enemies. Then, after they escape from Ameria and before the episode is even over, he suddenly does a 180 and says he needs to go back and rescue Shahkti. It's not like Shahkti had doubts about leaving, or there was some kind of misunderstanding, Uso MADE her stay to Shahkti's obvious suprise and shock, then an hour later changed his mind. The show lost me after that.

In general, Victory is either repetitive and stupid (Shahkti needs to be rescued every 5 episodes, mommy themes that are so overused and surface-level they turn into noise), or goes nowhere. I was waiting the entire time for Cronicle to pull a Glemy, and not only does he not pull a Glemy, a different person does and half-jokingly invites Cronicle to join up with him. Uso says his dad thinks Shahkti is the enemy...nothing comes of it. Nothing comes of his dad and the old general talking about fatherhood either because he never talks to Uso again before he just vanishes (dies?). V2's technology-disabling wings are only used once against a filler enemy because I guess Tomino thought the idea was too good for this shitshow and saved it up for Turn A.

>>23285902 (OP)
Most of the things you said are bad about the show are from like the very end. So the show is fine up until then?

>>23285912
The end is just more recent in my mind. I actually like the early Earth arc the least cause they just run back and forth from Kasarelia for like 8 episodes (speaking of Kasarelia, they talk about it like it's a place, but it's literally just two log cabins in the middle of nowhere). Early on they talk a lot about how Uso and Shahkti are illegal immigrants with no legal standing and how Feds expelled the poors from Earth, people fucking die defending some mass driver because it's like a slave ship memorial for spacenoids or some shit - this is forgotten and never brought up again, League Militaire just carries the water for Feds without even pretense of reform like AEUG had. The notion of Zanscare building its empire because thanks to the guillouitine is mindnumbingly retarded, but Uso sure spergs a lot about muh guilouttine that they use to execute a rebel (you know, Feds would never execute someone they consider a rebel and a terrorist, on a completely unrelated note when's Hathaway 2?) because until then he had no actual reason to oppose Zanscare other than plot contrivance.

The only thing I really dislike about Victory is how they squandered Fuala.

>>23285902 (OP)
ChatGPT wrote this

>>23285982
Fuala and Lupe should've been the same character, Fuala even starts talking like Lupe for no reason. Same with Pippiniden and Tassilo, what's the point of two identical arcs in a row? Also what was the point of setting up Lupe and Pippiniden 20 episodes in advance for like 2 or 3 episodes when they matter? What was the point of that scene when Lupe shoots the civilians that gave her intel for no reason?

You retards complain when a 26+ episode show is "repetitive" because you binge it in two weeks or when it's 12 episodes and you have to wait each week to watch it. You watch a show just to kill time but then go on lengthy rants about why it's so bad because you never cared about the hobby and are just killing time waiting for the weekend to begin (in which you will just end up binging another show you will later complain about).

>>23286014
Nigger this isn't my first rodeo. OG Macross is 50+ episodes and none of it is repetitive, and the only repetitive part of 0079 is the Core Fighter detachment/reattachment sequence. Show me where in 0079, Zeta, even ZZ the same character needed to be rescued a couple dozen times from the same predicament? If 0079 was written like Victory, we wouldn't have to wait all the way until CCA for Char to finally start saying Lalah was going to be like a mother to him, he would say it right away, and also say Kycillia and Artemisia should've been his mothers too.The entire show is like a competition between 30 women on who gets to be Uso's mom. You can't have one crazy women (Lupe) want to be Uso's mom, die, and then in the very next episode a different crazy woman (Fuala) also wants to be his mom. This like if in Zeta the Rosalia episode was right after Four's episode.

Victory is one of my favorites, its like modern mix of 0079 and Zambot. I love that it has that whimsical World Masterpiece Theater feeling in contrast with how brutal and unhinged zanscare is. Turn A was missing that but i guess that was sort of the point.

>>23286014
I watched shows like Victory Gundam and Gundam AGE and Aura Battler Dunbine because I want to not feel left out in internet conversations about them. Not because I'm trying to kill time.

>>23286043
>OG Macross is 50+ episodes
It's 36 episodes, and a movie that invalidates its existence.

>>23286098
The only thing DYRL invalidated are Kawamori's sci-fi credentials

>>23285902 (OP)
>i-it’s bad
Literally the 46th-highest-rated Gundam on anikore

>>23285902 (OP)
you may be stupid

>>23285902 (OP)
I'm sorry you didn't enjoy Victory anon. Personally I really get it but I can see why it burned you, it whips back and forth on things. Still, at least now you can never have to watch it again. For me, it's earnestly a favorite of mine, but different strokes. Hope other shows can treat you a bit better.

>I ate shit for the first time.

Sunrise should remove Victory from canon, and then continue on the Unicorn legacy.

>>23286098
>and a movie that invalidates its existence.

The movie is a movie in universe.

I wish Tomino explained how and why the daughter of the queen of Zanscare ended up in the care of future founders of League Militaire cause you'd think there'd be a story there. There's even a photo of younger Cronicle in their hut so Ewin Sr must've known both him and Maria personally.

>>23286175
you need to post a CONTRARIAN opinion to catch fire, all you're going to get is agreement

>>23286096
You watched something you don't care about to join in on discussions about something you don't care about. That's incredibly sad.

>>23286178
The show adopts the character designs and terminology of DYRL long term.

>>23286246
I care very deeply about Fire Emblem. Hearing people talk about stuff like Gundam in reference to it got me curious.

>>23285902 (OP)
Yes Victory is quite retarded and among the worst Gundam shows.
I recommend you read the Victory Outside Story by Hasegawa, it's unironically better than than the show despite being a oneshot manga, it also pays respect to UC and to the Newtype concept as a whole.
>>23286098
>a movie that invalidates its existence.
You need to watch the original to appreciate DYRL. As much as I love that movie It lacks all the character moments and development of the tv series: all characters expect for Hikaru, Minmay and Misa are basically cameos.

>>23286484
Everything by Hasegawa is shit what are you on about, guy can't draw or write.

>>23286496
Crossbone is good and the true sequel to F91

>>23286484
Heck, not only character set up, don't forget the movie skips even the beginning of the show and starts from a space battle already. It's really clearly something made for people who were already fans.

>>23286484
>>23286564
DYRL ending with Hikaru shooting Bodolza in the face is like that schlocky original 0079 finale script where Amuro shoots Gihren with a gun. Him being away from the final battle, on Earth saving Misa instead, was one of the most important moments of the story. Other than the titular song, I don't think I like anything about DYRL. They even gave Misa a facelift she didn't need.
>>23286482
>The show adopts the character designs
Until Delta where they monsterfy Zentradi even further.
>terminology of DYRL
Meltrandi is just a word for female Zentradi, thank god. The war of the sexes idiocy is not canon.

Why did they throw in that part about Zanscare's evil vizier being from Jupiter? I already knew Ameria was secretly controlled by Jovians. I'll be here all day, thank you very much.

>>23285902 (OP)
As a recent video describes it, It's a radical Exploitation of UC Gundam It's Motorad

>>23285902 (OP)
Annnnnd your wrong. Victory is great and Uso “Zanscare scum, get ready to run” Ewin is a madlad. It's hampered by its out of order first ep but man paragliding onto a MS and kicking the shit out of Cuckicle, while inside his cockpit and then stealing it in flight. Based Uso.

>>23286773
Why are western fans like this
>there was a "cool" scene therefore the show was good!!!!

>>23286776
Nah, it has its flaws but there's some genuinely good writing in there as well unlike ZZ. I just don't have time honestly, I'll leave it to someone else.

>>23286014
You say that like people have issues with 86 being 20+ episodes (they don't). Good writing is good writing.

>>23286787
86 is overrated slop

The anime, compared to Tomino's other works like Dunbine, Ideon, and Z, has fewer deaths but still feels grim. Characters die before you connect with them, and the protagonist’s exaggerated sadness comes off as comical, unlike Tomino’s earlier, deeper tragedies. Unconvincing motives and abrupt plot developments suggest the he was just venting personal grudges, possibly clashing with the scenario writer over fan-service additions like women in the Shrike squad or swimsuit-clad troops. The enemy’s vague new religion and the unrealistic, honor-student protagonist aimed at younger audiences make the story feel shallow and two-dimensional. While the mass-produced Gundam is cool, the combining mecha gimmick feels pointless as they’re easily shot down—maybe Tomino’s subtle revenge? The battle scenes are solid, though the enemy MS designs disappoint. Overall, the depressing plot lacks the human depth of Tomino’s past works, leaving little lasting impact.

There's a reason it's in the dustbin of Gundam shows.

>>23286787
>86 out of nowhere
>good writing
LMAO

>>23286773
>13 (probably 11 before they rewrote it) year old boy who's so short he needs to be lifted up by a w*man during a funeral to say his goodbyes tossing around trained soldiers like ragdolls is so heckin based!

>>23286825
The deaths are just spaced out in a really weird way. There is an episode that starts with a Shrike Team member's funeral and ends with another one dying, then nothing happens for a dozen episodes, then Junko, Oliver and Peggy all die in a row, then nothing happens again until the end of the show where Juca, Connie and Odelo die in the span of like two episodes.

>>23285902 (OP)
>he didn't realize people actually love tyres
bait used to be believable

>>23286796
The mecha bits are shit, both animation and designs, and this is /m/ so that is all it really should be judged for.
I just like my smutty shoujo, okay? I like the story.

>>23286743
>a recent video
>radical Exploitation
https://youtu.be/o9m-UitY7hk
Argonbolt you pretencious retard, stop posting here.
I love Puru btw

>reading the V-Gundam project proposal

>V-Gundam was originally meant to be a hopeful story about Uso and Shakti healing a broken and impoverished Earth Sphere
>Zanscare was actually a pretty okay place
>Tensions are high between Zanscare and Federation because Zanscare is poised to become the dominant power of the Earth sphere (great powers don't like to give up their supremecy)
>Zanscare also encourages other colonies to break away and form their own republics
>This causes the Federation to become increasingly brutal and authoritarian. The notes explicitly mention the Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact nations when describing the Federation and its holdings
>The conservative Gatie party within Zanscare wants to conquer the Earth
>Some independent colonies have also started trying to conquer each other

-https://zeonic-republic.net/?page_id=10931

So it seemed like V was originally going to be a bit more like Turn A. I wonder what the fuck happened?

>>23287081
Tomino got depressed as fuck probably

>>23287081
Funny it wasn't intended since I actually like that the EF, while incompetent, get to be one of the good guys again.

It's awesome how all critique just immediately betrays the viewer's own poor understanding of Victory. Can't necessarily blame everybody for that tho since the subs were bad for a long time. But the thing all the critiques miss is that aside from being a turning point in Tomino's career, it has TONS of interesting intertextuality with his wider body of work and other gundam series. For starters, F91 is stated to form a duology with Victory in Tominos book on gundam famkly theory, with the formers focus on paternalism gone wrong and the latter maternalism. While the show doesn't explicitly focus on gender, instead choosing to focus on motherhood, the depiction of women and their piloting in this show can be seen as an evolution of Zeta's ideas as a consequence both of Tomino's own research into anthropology and his experience with his daughters (reflected in F91). Where in Zeta piloting and womanhood were seen as oppositional to another, and in Victory they still are to an extent, we see such barriers beginning to break down, as women pilots are universally depicted as good. The exceptions being Zanscare but that is because their form of mothering is twisted rather than their piloting. We also see evolutions regarding his ideas of gender roles with Oliver notably being the only man part of the newtype ghost gang near the end. While Oliver still plays the traditional father role, he ultimately performs a duty done by the women in this show in literally sacrificing himself for the future; his heirloom the V2 and it's wings of light are ultimately what stops Uso from breaking down and giving up midseries. This brief idea found in his character regarding the fluidity of identity later formed the basis for Turn A.

>>23287081
Tomino snapped after one too many Sunrise/Bandai demands

>>23286773
No, Victory is just bad unless you watch it to laugh at all the stupid shit in it.

>>23287114
As for its anthropology, Zanscare as whole can be summarized as men, being cognizant of their own "uselessness", attempting to wield and dominate maternal power for their own patriarchal desires contrasted against the Reineforce team's more ideal family unit. This stems from Tominos views on primal societies in which matriarchy prevailed, and along with it peace. Patriarchy, in this view, is a consequence of men's war and the women seeking protection, as ultimately in the matriarchal societies men had no purpose but to be useful to women because they could not bear children. While this view is false, it is found in many of Sensei's works and perhaps in its most pure form in Victory. Turn A is a contender for this too.
While Victory can't be liked by everyone, the dismissive attitude many have towards it isn't based on any actual analysis of the work but a perpetuating of fandom narratives that largely existed due to bad subs and a lack of info. It's my 2nd fav Gundam behind Turn A and I hope more come to appreciate and stans up to the Victory.

>>23287113
Even in the series we got, Zanscare was formed when one of the Federation's fleets with SNRI research labs joined with the Miriaist to take over Side 2. It's also heavily implied that the Federation were still creating cyber-newtypes as the SNRI labs had all the equipment ready to go before going Zanscare. It's why so much of Zanscare's iconography (especially unit patches) and uniforms look so similar to the Federation, rather than riffing off of Zeon or the 19th century like every other spacenoid rebellion. So yeah, Federation still kind of bad when a bunch of their soldiers decided to form and go on to lead one of the most evil faction in all of UC.

>>23287128
>the dismissive attitude many have towards it isn't based on any actual analysis of the work but a perpetuating of fandom narratives that largely existed due to bad subs and a lack of info
This. So fucking much. I also blame that one retard responsible for starting the "Victory is sexist" that people still parrot to this day.

>>23287212
>an actual analysis of the work
The average person isn't a goddamn English major with a fetish for dissecting works of fiction, they either like or don't like something for vague reasons they themselves don't really understand and that's perfectly fine.

Tominos best work regarding gender was L-Gaim

>>23287132
What’s was the point of still making cyber new types since MS don’t have psycommu and funnels anymore

>>23287258
Newtypes are still busted. Katejina and Fuala were made into cybers, for instance.

>>23285902 (OP)
I watched it for the first time too and I liked it. The only time Victory pissed me off was when it wasted my time with its two recap episodes.

>>23287258
They still exist, they're just not really mentioned by name. Gengaozo's detachable backpack is the predecessor to the detachable flight unit that the Justice Gundams had, and it's psycommu-controlled. Then there's the Contio and Rig Contio, which have wired and wireless shot claw weapons respectively.

>>23287277

>>23287277
Chronicle's death is so funny.

>>23287081
I think Tomino added the atrocities in response to the Balkan wars. Porco Rosso was influenced by this as well.

Why does everyone look so poor in Victory? Like, there's barely any of the glam or tech that defined earlier UC works. Everyone dresses and lives like it's the Great Depression. They're all stuck in dilapidated buildings or decaying commie-blocks. The only thing that seems more advanced than the modern day is the military tech.

>>23287323
Having everyone in futuristic clothing would make it seem like everyone is rich or well off. Which would counter the war is hell motif.

>>23287323
Realistic consequences of repeated colony drops and a shitty corrupt government

>>23287323
Not really any different than how people in modern countries in war look

>>23287350

Posting in a thread I'm not reading because OP is a fag.

>>23287323
Compare the 80s to today, there's tent cities all over America now.

>>23287273
Three recap episodes. The episode where they use Angel Halo on Uso is basically a recap episode.

>>23287114
>While Oliver still plays the traditional father role, he ultimately performs a duty done by the women in this show in literally sacrificing himself for the future
His sacrifice accomplished nothing. He killed himself to inflict minor damage it took a couple hours to fix and the invasion of Earth went on as planned. If anything it made it look like he was running away from his paternal responsibilities with how eager he was to do it. Also the reason you think sacrificing yourself is a "duty done by women" in Victory is just because the cast is full of women built to die. Was Odelo also identity-fluid then? LM has no other adult male pilots except for Oliver.

I'm on episode 20 and I like it so far, but damn it's hard to watch two or three episodes on a row. Almost every episode feels heavy, more than Zeta was. I think it's because I feel bad for Uso.

>>23287447
Odelo's death was tragedy in that he was a teen who died before his time.
>Also the reason you think sacrificing yourself is a "duty done by women" in Victory is just because the cast is full of women built to die.
It's because the show is about the importance of motherhood to children and the responsibility of mothers in passing the future to their children, so a father performing this duty in the show is notable, especially in context of Tomino's own approach to fatherhood in which he did many traditionally feminine roles.

>>23287323
Most of the Earth parts of the show take place in poor as fuck Eastern Europe

>>23287744
Kasarelia and Uwig are in Czech republic, Gibraltar is in, well, Gibraltar. Those places were not "poor as fuck" even back in 93.

>>23287703
>the show is about the importance of motherhood to children and the responsibility of mothers in passing the future to their children
That's what Maria says out loud, yes. The show isn't exactly subtle. And Uso said parents should die after giving birth to their children, I guess Oliver got ahead of the schedule.

>>23287323
Victory is meant to be pre-Federation collapse. They look poor because they are. They look like they're living in the past because they've regressed so much since the OYW and Gryps.

>>23287804
Woowig.

>>23287323
I love how everybody is dressed like 1920s coal miners but even village hicks have access to hoverbikes (wappas)

>>23287081
Tomino was manic depressive and you can tell, the ending has parts which hard switch between Uso killing people out of spite and marveling at the wonders of pregnancy

i like the underwater city

Turn a Gundam is way better than Victory in my opinion.

>>23288620
No need to wait until the ending, the moment you see the double dose of brown lickable pussy with Marbet and Shakti, especially the latter acting all motherly, you can tell something is wrong.
Honestly, the abundance of active female characters in Victory is a massive warning sign in itself, by the time you see Katejina, Lupe and arguably Maria the writing is on the wall and you can tell Tomino was unhinged, no need to look at the bikes, Cronicle, constant Uso molestation or all the other bullshit going on with Zanscare.
>>23288640
Yeah, no shit it is, anon

While I watched the whole show to the end I ultimately gave up on it making any kind of sense when Oliver decided to kamikaze directly into the moving path of a giant tire. The tech advancement within UC is cool to see, though.

>>23288640
This just in - anon also thinks 0079 is better than AGE!!

I feel like all Gundam shows other than the original are repetitive because they're afraid of the monster of the week formula, so they end up fighting the same set of enemies weekly as if they were team rocket. The original had a long string of enemies with unique MS and situations, so you there was a lot of variety, but apparently gimmick MS and enemies that only last an episode or 2 are too super-roboty so now most fights have to be beamspam with the ocassional beam saber clash.

>>23287323
>>23285902 (OP)
Just looking at the earth in Victory Gundam, it feels like we went 500 years backwards, sure the Earth Federation is supposed to have lost some power, but why is the technology so poor? And the areas so rural? There's barely any modernish cities. Why does everyone look like Russian serfs from the 1920s? It looks more like a bad alt timeline of Turn A than UC. For that fack, F91 doesn't feel or look very UC either.

>>23288721
What a fucking normie.

>>23288878
All according to anaheim's master plan.

Rptnyk
>>23288878
>Why does everyone look like Russian serfs from the 1920s?
Russia abolished serfdom in the 1860s

Even the "cute" Victory side stories are depressing.

>>23288929
did she just cover up one of those fuckers just so some other kids can accidentally step on it a couple of years later? even if the battery is dead so it won't turn on anymore, it literally still has fucking sawblades and explosives in there

>>23288934
It's weird, but Zanscare gave their bots animal AI and abilities to feel love. Why? So they could suffer when their programming made them suicide bomb.

>>23288936
So what did the Crossbone Vanguard do, program them with "serial murderer" as the AI?

>>23288895
He isn't wrong. They brought it back after they murdered the Romanovs. Defacto.

>>23288944
They used federation soldiers as the basis.

>>23288971
Wasn't most of BESPA federation military before defecting?

>>23288978
BESPA was a branch of SNRI in Side 2 before defecting, yeah

>>23288929
Is that those genocide machines from F91

>show tries to make me feel bad for some of the BESPA soldiers because good people serving evil masters is a constant theme of Gundam
>always fall completely flat, because BESPA is retardedly evil from top to bottom
>Find out later from side material that BESPA were mostly Federation turncoats and deserters who coopted a peaceful religion to military coup Side 2 and establish a military dictatorship
Yeah, I'm not feeling it. Fuck those bastards. I could feel bad for Zeon because a lot of those people were lied to and their good impulses bent towards evil ends (to the point that most Zeon soldiers don't even know about gassing colonies and other Zeon warcrimes). BESPA is like the Titans cranked up to 11. They know what they're signing up for. They want it. They're looking forward to it. Their soldiers cackle as they grind up children beneath the wheels of their land battleships. Also, terrible fashion, but everyone looked terrible in Victory anyways due to the global depression.

>>23285902 (OP)
Victory Gundam was so dark that end accidentally ended up being funny to me. There were moments where I should be shocked at how dark it gets but it ended up cracking me up.

>>23289170
The bad guys are called Zanscare, BESPA is the company that makes their weapons

>>23289184
They make and use the weapons. BESPA grew to incorporate all things military in Zanscare.

>>23288688
>double dose of brown lickable pussy with Marbet and Shakti,

>>23289188
>>23289184
Why does this faction have to have like 3 names for its soldiers?

>>23289190
If this scene isn't an eye opener on Tomino's mind at the time I really dont' know what is

>Why is everything looks so poor and rotten?

Do people forgot about Moon Moon in ZZ?

I doubt the writing team intentionally wrote this into the lore, it seems that vastness of space and how wide spread humanity are by the 0080+ time (by the limit of Gundam's no FTL tech), some regions (whether on Earth or in space) started to turn "barbaric" (if that is the term of use).

a space version of urban population attraction- big space colony get bigger while the mid-to-size colony get less and less people. Eventually we got a inbalance of power and same goes with stuff on earth. By V, the general Federation power base is no longer on earth but the moon. People seems to be forgetting Side 2 was a titan base colony, and even by V time, Zanscare is not actually in full control of side 2. In historical context we are looking at something a keen to in-between of the roman empire and collapse of it.


It is kinda weird technically speaking while won against Zeon, the federation actually lost the "war"- its position of it being the sole united front of a representative government of both earth and colonies (at least most of the humanity) was lost by winning OYW.
If Federation actually lost the war to zeon it can at least be used as a central point for anti zeon powers.
But by winning and somewhat keeping later conflicts in regional level only, its ability to rule now lack serious outside threat- a free for all for people with ambition. We see this in F91 even V is like this.

>>23285902 (OP)
filtered

>>23289491
Because Tomino respects its viewers.

>>23289195

>>23289195
women are evil

>>23289916
*Slav women

>>23289170
>>Find out later from side material that BESPA were mostly Federation turncoats and deserters who coopted a peaceful religion to military coup Side 2 and establish a military dictatorship
Between the Titans and SNRI (BESPA), what is the Federation teaching its military?

>>23289931
how to oppress space peasants

>>23289931
It sounds like Federation military is not a actual centralized command but rather a mix of different side/colony militaries force with somewhat of standardized equipments + direct command like titan and later Londo Bell task force

Wait that seems a bit familiar
>american national guard

I really get the feeling when tomino and the team made their gundams, the federation system is more or less based something like the US federalism and United Nations politic

>>23289491
>but I thought they are Zanscare, why are you referring to them as BESPA?
>>Because their military is called BESPA, Zanscare is just the name of their country
>dude this is too fucking confusing, I just can't

>but I thought they are the American military, why are you referring to them as marines?
>>Because these guys are the marine fighting force. There's also the air force, army, navy, etc
>dude this is too fucking confusing, I just can't

>>23289929
All of them anon.

>>23289491
You will hate G-Reco.

>>23289931
How to be comedically evil.

>>23288929
>tfw you slap sad dog AI into your suicide bomber bots
Someone was feeling real sadistic while designing these.

>>23290387
That's BESPA for you.

>>23290250
You think he'll find the Megafauna, Capital Guard, Capital Army, Amerian Army, Dorette Fleet, and G-IT Laboratory all fighting at the same time confusing?

>Uso targetting the colony with the Big Cannon
>knows that there's something like 50+ million people on it
>only misses it because Chronicler knocks it off course
Goddamn, would any other Gundam protagonist have the balls for that? I'm pretty sure Amuro would not have tried to destroy Side 3 if given the chance. Even without the colony on his conscience, I'm pretty sure he has the highest kill count. Angel Halo alone probably netted him a few thousand.

>>23288878
Bro I forgot about that Cameo in build, that was fucked, Domon gets to be with his whole family. They pull this sick Joke for Usso.

>>23290475
His mom is there, just out of frame. That part of the joke.

>>23290485
I know but still, could they have at least tried to resist.

>>23290420

>>23290611
why is kamille naked

>>23290626
seggs

>>23289170
We understand there's are better and humane ways of wiping out humanity on earth, but those aren't as radical as motorcycle battleships. And we thought Zeon high command was bad.

>>23290647
Kamille will be a girl's name when I'm done with him, if you know what I mean

>>23290420
We need more Gundam protagonist willing to commit genocide

>>23291099
Guin...

>>23288978
>>23289001
>>23289170
The federation let the colonies go before just retreating to the earth or moon. There was no real mass defection. What do you fuckers have this head canon? I notice it's the same person posting this shit on /m/ every time too. What is this misinformation? Unironic Zeekfag?

>>23291425

>>23289190
>Uso craves the brown loli mommy gf
I don't care that the Tomino decided against Uso being Char's great-grandson, it's canon in my mind

>>23291958
That was never a thing

>>23288640
>>23288688
>>23288721
Nah, say what you want, but Turn A is overrated as hell. I like it, I don’t think there’s any 4-cour Tomino show I didn’t like, but Turn A is only really praised for being more artsy fartsy than your average Gundam. Loran is possibly one of the weakest and most shallow Tomino protagonists and the end of Socchie was just suffering porn for no good reason. Turn is a B+ while Victory is a A, honestly. There’s no show without flaws, you guys just like to exaggerate the flaws in certain shows you like to bait people with.

>>23292455
Turn A sure isn't overrated on /m/ since every time the show comes up now 3 people come out of the woodwork to whine about how shit they think it is

>>23292481
What the fuck?! Three people?!?!

>>23292455
I agree that Turn A is overrated and a B+ at best, but I do question how you consider Victory an A then.

>>23292512
For me it’s one of Tomino’s finest. There’s very little that didn’t work for me. Only thing I can think of is that some of the Shrike Team deaths were gratuitous and Oliver’s death was really pointless. Maybe other than that, Tomino’s reasoning behind that Motorad dude wasn’t that great and feels a little forced. But that’s about it, I have no other issues with the show whatsoever and the ending is a masterpiece that can only be matched by Be Invoked.

so what is so "dark" about this show for Japanese children anyway

>>23292604
Characters die by the boatload, characters are introduced solely to die, we see a beam saber used on women in swimsuits, the villain's goal is explicitly total genocide

>>23285902 (OP)
>Not only is it worse than ZZ, it's worse than just ZZ's first half.
So are most Gundams. That's not really a fair thing to say

>>23292538
You didn't find the enemy characters and mobile suits unmemorable?

>>23292640
Do you have a bad memory or something?

>>23292651
Do you think Chronicle Asher was a decent rival who had a lot of presence?
If I were to post a random Zanscare suit, do you think you could accurately identify it?

>>23292624
>we see a beam saber used on women in swimsuits
sounds metal
post the clip

>>23292684
https://youtu.be/6OvGlBM3wV8

why is he freaking out they're not even naked

>>23292684

>>23292671
>If I were to post a random Zanscare suit, do you think you could accurately identify it?
Nta, but you know that's not really fair. Victory and F91 don't get enough exposure in things like games and side material for people to be able to just recognize zanscare or Crossbone suits by name like they can Zaku#1368. And if you want to refer to AU non gundam suits it's the same way, nobody even remembers the Ginn despite it being literally a Zaku, because they put actual Zakus in SeeD, and the only reason people remember Leos, is because they all have easy names Leos were basically the only grunt suits really used in wing, those and virgos. No one remembers the grunts of 00 beyond the Flag, and in IBO no really remembers anything beyond the Graze

>>23292671
>If I were to post a random Zanscare suit, do you think you could accurately identify it?
Do it.

>>23292640
Not at all. In fact, the Victory and the V2 are some of my favorites. I don't mind the insect-like Zanscare suits either. It's much better than whatever the fuck they were doing during the ZZ era. I have no issue with the villains, they were insane but a fun bunch to see dying horribly while thinking they had the upper hand. Pippiniden and Tassilo's death were so satisfying. So many thinking they were hot shit just to be totally annihilated. If you want really bland villains, just look at F91 or 08th MS Team.

>>23292671
>Do you think Chronicle Asher was a decent rival who had a lot of presence?
Yeah? I feel like you would have had a better point if you talked about Pippiniden or Tassilo instead. I've seen people get them confused in the past.

>>23292671
>>23292786
This guy is right. I know most OG Gundam suits from videogames alone. I can't even say I can name with confidence any Zeta or ZZ suits, especially from the villain side.

>>23292844
>Pippiniden and Tassilo's death were so satisfying
Pippiniden shouldnt have simped...

Chronicle shouldnt have tried to save a crazy bitch....

Faula Griffin did absolutely nothing wrong.

>>23292455
>the end of Socchie was just suffering porn for no good reason
>no good reason
Gavane Gooney threw his life away saving her. worthless ass She got off light.

>>23285902 (OP)
Victory is one of my favorite Gundams, which is weird because I avoided it for years because of how dark it sounded.

I ended up enjoying it quite a bit. Still, it has some pretty brutal character deaths, at least in my opinion. Tomino really seemed to have it out for the Shrike Team.

>>23289170
One of the most bizarre things about BESPA is how all of them want to conquer Earth so they can live on it afterwards...even though this isn't something spacenoids would want...even though Earth is a shithole post-OYW...even though this goes against Zanscare's own enviromentalist cool aid. Also why did some random lieutenant get to bring his wife and kids to a military base on Earth? Fucking Garma had to shop for pussy locally, and junior Zanscare officers bring the whole village to a warzone?

>>23292684
>>23292692
Honestly I know people clown on this but it was actually a fine tactic, make him hesitate enough to be shot by a bunch of rockets until she could come in with her mobile suit.
They were already a bunch of cannon fodder with little else use at that point what else should she have done with them?

>>23292847
Cronicle gets owned by a meter tall little kid in the very first episode and his male feminist speech about establishing real matriarchy that's never been tried doesn't go anywhere because he just inexplicably goes with Kagatie's plan. I knew he was a Jerid from the get-go, except at least Jerid's blood feud with Kamille was endlessly entertaining even if he was nowhere near Kamille's powerlevel. I suppose his final fight with Uso is the best fight in the show, but that's only because the fights are so bad on average.
>>23292671
Well there's Zolo, pink Zolo, red Zolo, the Zolo with the tire - you know, it's just how Rick Dom and Gelgoog looked like mere Zaku recolors!

>>23293656
>but that's only because the fights are so bad on average
Seriously?

>>23293657
Uso's two signature moves are detach Hangar/Boots and throw it at the enemy, and beam saber through the cockpit. Although Victory has a bizarre obsession with the latter in general. But the real reason I don't have a high opinion of fights in Victory is probably because nobody except for Junko and that tiger Zanscare guy came off as skilled pilots. Like I bet Yazan in a Zoloat could solo the entire Shrike Team at once.

>>23293642
Ral had his wife on Earth with him. Garma was just unfaithful.

>>23293642
To truly enjoy Victory, ypu should be willing to leave the previous series behind. It was meant for a new audience so continuity is pretty loose.

>>23293664
Goddammit, you're either underage or just really stupid. Possibly both.

>>23293708
>ypu should be willing to leave the previous series behind
But it doesn't make sense within Victory either. There's an entire episode about how much Elisha and Martina don't like Earth because they're spacenoids.

>>23293588
This isn't true at all, Gooney died because he was literally juggling nukes and Socchie was well outside the blast radius for the entire affair

>>23293723
>she was well outside the blast radius
that's the problem

>>23293725
I wouldn't want that because at the very least it would make Kihel/Dianna sad

>>23293721
>There's an entire episode about how much Elisha and Martina don't like Earth because they're spacenoids.
Are you misremembering or trying to troll? They said they don't like how the air smells when they're traveling through a beach consisting of hundreds of whale carcasses, and they end the episode by saying they wouldn't mind living on Earth after all

>>23293725
Then what the fuck did Gavane do that was even remotely related to protecting Sochie? He didn't tell her to stay away, he was trying to secure weapons that he could tell that even the moonrace feared.

>>23293749
They didn't like the smell of the sea in general. Granted, the smell of the sea shouldn't be familiar to Uso and Shahkti either seeing as how they come from central Europe, but Tomino forgot that not every earthnoid is Japanese.

>>23293642
It kinda makes sense in a spacenoid autism kind of way. Kill everyone on Earth to stop any ongoing environmental damage in its tracks, then repopulate it with the much smaller population of Zanscare "true believers" that will live responsibly and do as little damage as possible so the Earth will heal. The Angel Halo is the apex of such a belief, capable of safely putting everyone on Earth into a coma to cause a 'peaceful' human exctinction that leaves the Earth itself unharmed. Of course it still put animals into the same comatose state so it's still a shitty plan for saving the Earth, either because they didn't anticipate it affecting non-human brainwaves or Krappity really is just insanely evil and didn't give a shit.

>>23293798
How or why did Angel Halo cause "cellular degeneration" anyway? At one point Maria says that she couldn't use it correctly because she was no longer a child...but when Shahkti used it things got even worse until she disabled the thing?

>>23289190
Reminder that the person who sent this image to Usso's brain is Shahkti's mom.
>What did she mean by this?

>>23293826
I think it's just a veiled way of saying "they're fucking dying" because they lose consciousness and then the body starves, dies, and then decays

>>23293826
I imagined it really meant their brains would turn to mush at an accelerated rate while they were knocked out, like what happens to real coma patients, meaning they'd have zero chance of waking up or surviving without outside intervention. They'd just be braindead and end up dying of exposure or total nervous system shutdown. Maria thought it was safe because Kagatie lied and mislead her through the whole process. If it were JUST Maria or Shakti powering the machine it might have been okay, but the thousands of extra phsykers hooked up to the array amplified her 'stop fighting and be peaceful' message into a TURN BRAIN OFF signal.

>>23293798
>>23293826
I looked into it - in the Victory Gundam novel, it's revealed that the true ultimate purpose of Angel Halo is to kill ALL of humanity, including everyone in space, and including Zanscare. So I guess Kagatie didn't really care how habitable the Earth really was.

Maria seems kind of retarded

>>23293887
As if we needed more reasons to never trust a J*vian.

>>23293887
Are the novels fully translated?

>>23293887
This is pretty self evident in the show. He's very clearly a misanthrope and he was hiding Angel Halo's true purpose from his own officers because he clearly intended to use it on them too but to be fair they wanted to use it on him too when they thought it was a mind control device

>>23293989
Not as far as I know.

>>23293656
>I knew he was a Jerid from the get-go
Funny thing is that Katagie was trying to hype up Cronicle to spacenoids as the next Char.
https://zeonic-republic.net/?page_id=10931

>>23294139
Who isn't hyped up as the next Char at this point

>>23294145
Quattro Bajeena

>>23292538
Bikerman is what happens when the universe takes a gag character seriously.

>>23292538
>>23294578
>guy who came up with a war machine that literally tramples on human lives and who did shit that made even Cronicle disavow him gets a touching sendoff because...biking is a cool hobby?

>>23293798
Kagatie is comedically evil like every other crazy old fart in the Victory extended universe.

>>23293890
She's just kinda dumb.

>>23294591
>that made even Cronicle disavow him
No that was Pippiniden for using Uso's mom as a hostage.

>>23294631
NTA but from what I remember he weirdly included the biker guy in that along with Pippiniden implying he had some degree of responsibility for it even though I don't think we saw any on screen.

>>23293588
>Gavane Gooney threw his life away saving her
Lmao no, Gavane died because of yet another miscalculation on his part and Cancer and her troupe being (based) retards, none of that had anything to do with Sochie.
Gavane is also a suicidal retard and the whole marriage with Sochie was her being an immature brat trying to cope with her repressed feelings about Loran, it's a good thing Gavane died there because his stupid ass would have dragged Sochie to hell with him in another stunt somewhere, Gavane was not a morally admirable character, he was a glory seeking idiot with no regards for his or his mates' life, hence his team being the SUICIDE team.
Don't pin his stupid on Sochie, she has many faults but Gavane's death is not one of them.

>>23293642
>even though this isn't something spacenoids would want
Have you even watched a single UC show?
Zeon colonized the earth. Axis Neo Zeon colonized the Earth, just their HQ was Axis. Sweetwater Neo Zeon started the entire conflict because they're refugees from the previous wars who got kicked off the Earth into space and weren't allowed to return. The Adelaide terrorists and fake mafty in HF are all rioting and committing terrorism because they're illegal spacenoids migrants and migrant sympathizers who want to go to earth. Even the moonrace in Turn A wanted to return to the earth and so did everyone in G-Reco.

>>23294748
and they all want to go back to space the first time they see a mosquito

>>23294748
>Zeon colonized the earth. Axis Neo Zeon colonized the Earth
Retardbro, this is like saying Americans colonized Vietnam because Saigon had a bunch of Americans in it. The rest were people with nowhere to go, unlike Zanscarians. We see Side 2 colonies and they look much nicer than Earth does (unsuprisingly).

>>23286180
Pure coincidence. Kagatie had Shakti taken away/kidnapped in the name of safekeeping, and the kidnapper took her to an illegal settlement on Earth. Did spend a few years unwillingly taking care of Shakti before abandoning her, and then her neighbors (Uso's family) took her in.

>>23294802
Except America never controlled Vietnam, didn't plan on controlling it, and the peak deployment of troops to South Vietnam at any given time was around 6% of active military personnel. Zeon occupied and governed two thirds of the planet.

>>23294880
>Except America never controlled Vietnam
Controlled it so little the CIA was picking their presidents.
>Zeon occupied and governed two thirds of the planet.
Yeah, for their resources and industry, not for lebensraum. They didn't invite civilian settlers to move in like Japan in Machuria or Germany in Ukraine. You're also conflating Zeon's earthbound allies (like African Liberation Front) with actual spacenoids from Side 3.

>>23294945
Oh you're a retarded tranny. That explains it

>>23294966
>no argument
Back to nu/a/ with you

>>23286918
i want to have babies with him

>>23295548
The only people who unironically think the US was puppeteering vietnam are SEAniggers and trannies, so yeah. Diem had enough of the military's support to seize power. The US didn't magically put the entire country at gunpoint. You third world monkeys never take responsibility for the fact that you're all so dumb and corrupt that you literally doing anything for a few bucks including kowtow to a guy who had American money.

>>23295618
>Diem had enough of the military's support to seize power
I wonder how and why he lost that support, retardbro. How many posts away are we from "akshually America never lost the Vietnam war" BTW? But I do like how your inexplicable fixation with SEA confirms where you came from.

>>23292692
Less freaking out and more dumbfounded (and insulted) that someone had a plan this stupid. It's also at the end of the series so he's mentally exhausted.

>>23292692
The amount of rumors and made up shit people spread in the comments of that video are crazy. It's like I'm on /m/.

>>23295662
>But I do like how your inexplicable fixation with SEA confirms where you came from.
You're the one who brought up Vietnam. I feel the same way about every single third world shithole and their cretins. They don't know what accountability is. They'll go on about the British Raj and the Century of Humiliation like a few thousand anglos literally had 2/3 of the human race in a chokehold when it was just their own leaders bootlicking foreigners who could pay them better.

Is the Assault Buster prevalent and/or pleasant in the show? I'm deciding between getting the Victory Two or waiting for the Assault Buster to go on sale, I'd prefer just the regular V2 but I have no idea what I'd feel about the Assault Buster by the time I'm done with the (hopefully enjoyable) show.

>>23296013
It's cool, but most of the time he only uses one or the other.

>>23296013
The one time he uses the Assault Buster after firing once it gets immediately picked apart and reduced to just the V2 Assault Gundam, which gets to go to the next part of the battle there also gets broken down quickly into the standard V2 Gundam.

He does use the "Assault V2" by itself in the final battle and it lasts longer there.

>>23294748
>Zeon colonized the earth. Axis Neo Zeon colonized the Earth, just their HQ was Axis. Sweetwater Neo Zeon started the entire conflict because

No. No, this never happened. Zeon invaded to wipe out the Federation before they could muster a counterattack (failed) and secure resources for their own war effort (succeeded temporarily.) Haman, far as we know, did not bring any considerable population with her to earth beyond what was under her command. The refugees from the previous wars are rarely meaningfully affiliated with Zeon beyond what Char can do for them. Beyond that, they're mostly victims of previous Zeon movements pushed to desperation while developing a (justified) reaction to the Federation's more authoritarian tendencies.

Earthbound Zeon remants are a different story, but they were barely a thought in 2nd Neo Zeon's collective brain beyond "lol sucks to be those retards."

>Have you even watched a single UC show?
Have YOU, homie? For all the issues spacenoids tend to bring to the table of the earth sphere, they tend to believe their own bullshit, for whatever it's worth.

>>23296013
The V2AB gets less use than the V2A and the V2B, but there's good reasoning behind it. The Assault parts in the show just got added onto the V2B in the field, so it's missing some of its equipment and isn't at 100%.

Also do I pick up Victory or IBO
>>23296038
>>23296064
>>23296137
>generally it's one or the other, the whole ensemble is moreso a finale bonus
Sounds a bit like I'll mostly be seeing the standard V2 unless the finale is something amazing. Unlike the Victory that had like, either the Hexa or Dash that's near identical, I take it there's only one V2? If I get Victory and V2, then end up getting the Assault Buster, I'm going to be a bit annoyed. The Assault Buster lacks the beam weapons that both Victory and V2 come with, but I really don't know what I'm going to do with a standard V2 next to the Assault Buster. Maybe have one in Assault mode and the other in Buster mode?
>the Assault Buster is looking less garish and more knightly every time I look at it

>>23296170
There was actually a 2nd V2 Core Fighter, but it's completely wasted and does nothing before blowing up.

>>23296192
What good does that do, the Victory and V2 come with a core fighter as a neat bonus, but is it just the function of the core fighter/booster from 0079, just a neat little jet backup?

>>23296170
Yeah. V2B is sortied twice, V2A only once after V2AB is used. Very very late in the show. The standard V2 is the star.

>>23296068
>Zeon invaded to wipe out the Federation
No they didn't. They always knew Jaburo was around the Amazon river but spread their forces out to occupy totally meaningless land across north america, asia, and europe, and fraternized with the local civilians. They did everything BUT try to wipe out the federation.

>secure resources for their own war effort
A few mines in asia.

>>23296068
>Haman, far as we know, did not bring any considerable population with her to earth beyond what was under her command
The Spanish didn't bring all of Spain when they first started establishing colonies in south america. Haman occupied Dakar first because she wanted to take control of the Earth and it was going to happen until the Argama started causing a fuss and gave the Federation cold feet. They still gave her Side 3.

>>23296068
>The refugees from the previous wars are rarely meaningfully affiliated with Zeon beyond what Char can do for them.
Sweetwater is a refugee colony, his Neo Zeon is made up of angry refugees. He opens his speech addressing his men by reminding them that the Federation jerryrigged Sweetwater together from leftover colony parts to stick refugees in and refused to let them stay on Earth. The entire reason they're fighting is just revenge for being kicked off the planet they wanted to live on.

>>23296068
>For all the issues spacenoids tend to bring to the table of the earth sphere, they tend to believe their own bullshit, for whatever it's worth.
No they don't. Even Haman whines and moans about how she had to grow up in space looking at the void while the earthnoids got to grow up on earth. She also complains about how she's alone and how her sister gave her life but died miserably IN SPACE, she specifically says that. The spacenoid cause is just Earth envy. They covet the planet. They don't care about polluting it or not, that's just a convenient rhetorical framing device for why earthnoids are bad but if THEY were in charge things would be different and the earth would be a utopia. It's just envy, and hate towards people who have what they wanted and are wasting it in their eyes.

You can't even make this argument seriously because all of them keep dropping colonies on the planet. Char's the biggest hypocrite out of all of them. He wanted to create a literal nuclear winter, which by late 20th century pop science meant irradiating the planet. Colony drops would pollute the planet with heavy metals and probably radioactive materials and minovsky radiation like in Sydney, and give cancer to everything in a 1000 miles, but a nuclear winter would turn the earth into a wasteland and kill almost everything for a thousand years until the radioactive material clears out. They don't care about the environment, it's just a big "fuck you, if I can't have it no one can." Char's plan doesn't even make any sense. The polluting he wanted to do would have been worse than anything earthnoids had done up to that point

>>23295703

>>23287811
>And Uso said parents should die after giving birth to their children

I want to assume this is figurative, but its Tomino so...and isn't Tomino a father? Was Uso his mouthpiece and Tomino is a living hypocrite, or did he mean Uso was a dumbass?

>>23292692
It wasn't that long after he got hit by one of Angel Halo's hallucinations, so he was still pretty on edge mentally. Seeing something like that would make him think it was starting again.

>hey guys, what if we fry the enemy from the inside out, but not enough to kill them, just give them excruciating debilitating pain
>and then we kill them

jesus christ, this kid

>she's meant to be a sympathetic character
Tomino clearly lost his mind at this point

>>23296279
>Char's the biggest hypocrite out of all of them. He wanted to create a literal nuclear winter, which by late 20th century pop science meant irradiating the planet.

He wanted to do that, that no one else would start a war over the earth and people could finally focus on living in space. The reason he came to that conclusion was specifically because of Haman, who could have literally set up some sweet trade deal with the federation, fuck off back to space and reap the rewards of being the Queen who brought Zeon back to equal or higher standing with the earth feds, and could have gotten even the othersides to ally with them, but instead she invades, despite having literally no actual reason to, and once again let zeon choose Zabi violence. This was when Char was like, "the earth just needs to stop being an option at this point." And he tried to drop axis on earth.

>>23300146
Fucking when?( she literally has a fate worse than death

>>23300146
If you're feeling sympathy, that's a you problem. Pity is more accurate, and only in this moment.

>>23300146
She was also the "i can fix her!" prototype.

>>23300146
>>23300365
Did you know that Tomino wanted her to have a worse end, but it wouldn't be airable on TV? She was supposed to end up horrifically burned and lose at least a limb.

>>23300146
>>23302216
She's a cybernewtype, so a lot of her insanity was inflicted on her. She went from a stockholm syndromed teen to a crazy bitch because of it. She's as much a victim of Zanscare as anyone else.

I had to force myself to get through this show because it was such a slog. The drama and writing felt artificial. The last 10 episodes or so were good but probably not worth sitting through 40 episodes of cringe.

>>23305654
What specifically felt artificial to you?

>>23305306
She was not her insanity was all natural.

This Gundam is about the devouring mother.
Uso is surrounded by mothers. Crazy mothers, sexy mothers, majestic queen mothers. The final sequence is literally the Victory gundam erupting out of a womb being blocked by Katajina. If there is something to be said about the main villainess of this show, it is that they wish to covet children that are not their own.

>>23286526
This meme needs to die. Crossbone is genuinely poorly drawn and stupidly written. I will never understand why people here hype it up. It is not good in any way. People had issues with the silliness of ZZ, Crossbone is 11 times worse. Idiotic villains, bland characters and a silly plot. Irredeemable.

>>23305688
people always turn into drooling retards over pirate shit

>>23305688
>I will never understand why people here hype it up.
I mean, it's not just "people here". There's a reason it got model kits and appearances in games, even SRW that generally ignores manga side-stories.

>>23305306
She is not cybered, she is a regular newtype, just crazy

>>23288968

>Russian Orthodox Autocracy apologist.

Never change, /m/.

>>23305676
You forgot the "Big Cannon" being a shaped like a penis

All late UC stuff is bad. I would draw the line on Hathaway's Flash. That's when everything turns to shit in the chronology. Just let the Unicorn or Thunderbolt guy retcon it all.

>>23305998
I wouldn't call F91 bad for what it is.

>>23305998
>. Just let the Unicorn
Unicorn is the biggest pile of shit in UC and you want him to write late UC? Actually fuck off.

>>23306067
I think F91 is very strong on aesthetics but the plot is terrible.
>>23306068
Unicorn is easily one of the best series. The worst parts of it are the teenagitis pushed by the executives and certain deadend plotlines inherited from Zeta.

>>23305306
>Stockhom Sydrome
She was born evil. Zanscare just enabled her.

>>23306076
Unicorns plot is fanfic tier, nowhere near the best. The only UC woks that rank below it are 0083 and 8th MS but at least those two have good mecha design.

I just finished the series and I honestly loved it. What happened to USO’s dad though? I thought I missed something but it doesn’t appear to be hinted at in the show itself, just the General looking at his empty seat and saying something like he was a clever man?

>>23306378
i thought he was steering the ship to make sure the kamikaze is successful.

>>23306378
he escaped at the last moment

>>23306384
It would make sense, if he survived, that he would leave in secret in order to allow Uso to live in peace without drawing him into another eventual war. The thing that confuses me with this is that he shows up along the dead characters as force ghosts to Uso

>Gets themselves fucking killed for no reason right at the end of the battle

For what purpose?

>>23306378
>>23306391
He didn’t want to take part in the suicide attack either due to cowardice or pragmatism and tried to escape. Apparently he just didn’t make it.

>>23286085
Victory is a good watch if you want to see women getting murdered and jobbing.

>>23306588
Women are retarded

>>23306588
She was channeling Katz

>>23306588
Because seeing women get killed makes me hard.

>>23305688
You want a honest reason? The Crossbones are really cool, it's like Hasegawa just bumbled into a cool design other people got to refine.

>>23306076
Godmode psychoframe bullshit disqualifies it immediately.

>some fag that's a fanboy of Victory and Turn A believes gundam is a left wing franchise
>already banned multiple times on twitter for inciting violence
lol

>>23309276
Why are you bringing Twitter shit here? Fuck off back there.

>>23309276
lol

Tomino is genuinely talentless and his fans are mentally ill

>>23306588
You already answered yourself, for no fuckin reason

>>23289190
Uso is a pedo

>>23309665
Uso is 13

>>23305986
The one that would've won the war but is literally cockblocked by Katejin and her orbiter male feminist.

>>23285902 (OP)
Isn't this the show where Tomino totally gave up and just started throwing out dumb ideas to see what Bandai would approve or not? Like the wheeled aircraft carriers.

>Maybe I can help fight this super powerful experimental mobile suit in my heavily damaged, barely functional one!

All she had to do was literally nothing!

>>23309665
*Lupe

>>23309691
An unnamed Bandai exec specifically demanded the wheeled battleships, Tomino was so ashamed of the Idea he kept it secret from the rest of the staff while still instructing them to add some motorcycle foreshadowing so it wouldn’t seem like a total asspull. Bandai had purchased Sunrise right around the time production was starting so executive meddling was more prominent in V than any series prior. This is presumably one of the reasons Tomino entered a years long depression during/after V.

>>23309720
The wheeled battleships are dumb but who cares, Gundam is full of goofy shit. I think the show does a good enough job of showing them be brutal regardless, I don't know why people obsess over them so much.

>>23309838
That was the problem, Tomino is so good he can make stupid ideas like that still presentable and likable. The motorrad arc is my favorite part of Victory, but i know full and well just how retarded it is. Honestly with stupidly OP they were too o wouldnt be surprise if that Bandai exec was like "Oh and make sure they are like extremely powerful and unstoppable too"

>>23309838
>I don't know why people obsess over them so much.

The main issue is the amount of times character obsess over the wheels of the battleships rather than just shooting down the bridges like what they do with every other battleship.

>>23309863
It was explain that if the ships were to explode they would cause serious damage to the atmosphere, because they are giant nuclear battle ships.

>>23309863
>>23309868
They are very explicit about this, multiple times an episode they say not to blow up the ships or mobile suits.

>>23309838
Nah, they're brilliant. Super heavy beam-coated armor that's constantly spinning? It just makes sense

>>23309868
>>23309869
They also have beam barriers. You can see it in the clip

>>23309869
But that in itself is impractical, because think about how precise you have to be to make you don't hit the reactor of something as fast as a mobile suit.

>>23309881
There were dozens of cockpit snipes and decapitations in V prior to the introduction of the Motorad fleet, it seems the reactors themselves are quite small and with the smaller MS in late UC the cockpit becomes a larger target in proportion.

Chronicle's death still makes me cringe watching it. Probably the most fucked up brutal UC death.

>>23309915
It was kino, incredible cinematography for a children’s tv anime. Quite visceral.

>>23309869
The Motorad fleet ships are tough as fuck, it's a requirement for needing to roll over and flatten cities, but their bridge is still a weak spot, although more heavily protected than most other ships. There was even that episode where the LM caused one of the motorad escort cruisers to flip and crash into another ship by intentionally fucking up the terrain in front, and both ships still didn't explode completely, but there were secondary explosions that heavily damaged one and crippled the other.

There's also the episode at sea where Odelo accidentally snipes the bridge of one of those motorad ships, proving it was possible, just difficult since he hit it completely by luck. It's just stupid how the wheels became a magnet for almost all of the LM's attacks, it's as dumb as Kira continuously firing at the Destroy's shields ineffectively.

>>23309922
why did you say the same thing twice in a row?

>>23309927
>It's just stupid how the wheels became a magnet for almost all of the LM's attacks, it's as dumb as Kira continuously firing at the Destroy's shields ineffectively.
It's almost as if they had no other viable way of stopping them without fucking over the atmosphere, there best bet was to stop them from moving, or something.

>>23309915
>Chronicle's death still makes me cringe watching it. Probably the most fucked up brutal UC death.
Seriously? Uso's mom had it the worst.

>>23309948
I think this anon >>23309858 is on to something, the motorad ships were like a gimmicky mobile armor that would have been destroyed in a single episode in any prior series. The irony is that as far as I can tell Bandai never produced a toy of the battleships or even the much cooler Einrad

>>23309956
NTA. But it Cronicle it's much more profound, when you break down what happened.

>he hit his head
>from falling out of his mobile suit
>being flung out of it's cockpit
> with a shit ton of air time and no way to save or no chance of surviving.
>so with all that hang time he helplessly waiting for the end and calling out to his sister
> in all this time he was didnt even real his sister was dead, he realizes he lost the plot
>thud

And that's not even getting into how hard hard he actually hit the panelling cause it's left to our imagination.

>>23309963
Well we can't call Bandai a liar....

>>23309975
Plus Uso's mom's death was pretty quick though, Cronicle had time to understand he was going to die. The scene following Uso's mom dying is more gut wrenching though.

>>23309948
We saw their ships get defeated without a nuclear explosion at least twice, it was definitely possible.

I feel like the fact that the LM had so much trouble dealing with the motorad fleet is the reason why they finally started pulling out the big guns like the beam launchers, but it was a bit late since they didn't really deploy them until they moved back into space for the final stretch of the story

>>23309948
They could have shot the wheels from the sides instead of always attacking the treads from head-on every single time. The plot forced them to be retarded and only attack the strongest part of the ship as their first instinct.

>>23310004
>but it was a bit late since they didn't really deploy them until they moved back into space for the final stretch of the story
It's almost as if now that they were a safe distance away from fucking up the enviroment, they could finally start fucking up battle ships for real thia time or somehting

>>23310016
or just shoot the fucking bridge like odelo did

>>23310019
Listen bro, I can't keep doing these "if only" posts. Can you just like get that everyone here knows that the motorcycle battleship was extremely poorly written and all the justifications for being written as such were dumb as fuck.

>>23310042
I'll do that if you drop the "they were just holding back because they didn't want to pollute the Earth" reasoning, because that excuse already didn't hold up long when Uso himself used a spare MS as a nuclear bomb against the Motorads in an episode and even his allies thought it was an appropriate response and didn't give him shit for it.

>>23310053
I can't thought. That was literally the reason why the EF backed out at the Motorrad arc. The LM were down for that plan, but ultimately that's how Zanscare won that despute and that was also why those geezers left the EF to help the LM fight at Angel's halo.

What was his deal?

>>23310069
He simped....

>>23310019
Odelo only destroyed one of the smaller ships, the one that only has a beam shield. The Adrastea class has an i-field or some other unnamed defense system to mitigate projectiles. There are only 3 of them IIRC. The one this retard >>23310069 was in that got destroyed by the crazy bath lady's MS going nuclear with the hangar bay open. One that was destroyed by the V2 approaching from below (a weak point in the design when it's in flight mode) and doing a flyby with the wings of light on the bridge. And the last was destroyed during the Reinforce's sacrifice charge, another close range attack.

Ironically, the V2 probably couldn't have done that flyby on Earth because the tires are just too strong and it's hard to approach, but it only has one gun on the underside so it's vulnerable in the air without its MS defending it.

>>23310108
I know the Lysithea had the cone shield, don't recall the Adrastea having an I-field, but it did have a wall of AA guns meant to protect the bridge on the left and right sides. Oddly, I-field defense barrier seems to be one of those things missing from Victory, I don't recall any units on either side having one.

>>23309672
>Go to Cambridge
>"someone who is sexually interested in children"
>doesn't mention the age of the person with the disorder
Again, Uso is a pedo

>>23309720
>>23309838
>>23309858
>>23309858
By the way, Dragonar already had Motorad machines years before Victory. It wasn't the first to do that.

>>23310162
>>23309838
0:24 here

>>23310939
Thanks for the clarification

>>23293642
I see it as another sign of the decay and barbarization of the Earth Sphere as no one really cares about established military protocol and Zanscare is an insane warlord state while the Federation is a degenerated rump state and both are willing to commit terrible atrocities on the other openly.

>>23310936
We are talking about specifically the battleship motorcycles, the those bikes Zanscare had were fine.

>>23310162
V2A is supposed to have an I field but idk if it’s used in those minutes of screen time it gets.

>>23311031
You see it deflecting beams but it’s the gold up-armored bits that take the hits before breaking off. Seems more like the Hyaku Shiki coating than how i fields are depicted.

>>23311050
The FAZZ's beam coating is also depicted similarly to an I-field when fighting the Doven Wolf. Rakan even thinks it's a barrier. The limitation is that it can only take a few seconds of sustained fire.

>>23310993
Those were awesome, vroom vroom.

>>23316651
Victory is the absolute best Tomino series and UC Gundam.

>>23310070
Simp chimp.pimp as Iceland Skittles proclaimed on their way to Island of Adventure.

>>23316656
Don't act like you're on different flavors of brain freeze. Otherwise here's a Fou.

>>23316657
Hey now, you'll summon Duelrager for being happy.

>>23316662
Let him, he loves accusing others of being his fictional nemesis.