>why isn't the narrative centered around an overt war?
This was a deliberate decision to communicate a different kind of atmosphere from the classic UC saga, according to Tsurumaki. He questions how deeply a war story would resonate with the post-war generation. What kind of story is necessary for us? These are the questions Tsurumaki is asking. The slow-boiling tension, and the possibility of a deadly *future* war is supposed to be reflective of our current geopolitical situation.
>what is the deal with all the metaphysical stuff going on?
This is to a large extent a story about Newtypes, about whether or not they are real, and what that might mean. The subtle presence of hope and its admixture with doubt in a tenuous geopolitical situation, you can see how this was intended to resonate with modern audiences. Tsurumaki is trying to make the Newtype message intelligible for modern viewers. Yes, that includes you, Gundam fan born in the post-war era.
>why does Side 6 look like that? why is the technology so modern?
They deliberately modeled it after post-war, modern Japan. Tsurumaki said that this is not only symbolic but literal: ethnic Japanese immigration was significant. This is why the Japanese language sees so much use.
>why do the character designs look so different between the OYW and GQx characters?
To communicate the transition of generation. Tsurumaki originally wanted the protagonists to be born after the war, but for a variety of reasons he ended up settling on setting the show in 0085. While the impression may not be narratively as large now that these are ignorant children who don't know what it means to fight and die in war, the visual impression is still there. This all ties in with the modern Japanese setting of Side 6.

>why isn't Gihren doing Hitler things? what's even going on politically
The Federation drove Zeon off the Earth, but withdrew from space after losing Solomon and Luna 2. Zeon is economically fragile (if they'd lost Granada they would've been finished) and politically unstable. Kycilia hasn't even dared to leave the moon since the war ended. They're also terrified of the fact that Char and the Red Gundam are still out there. Gihren and Kycilia's final battle is supposed to determine who will become dictator of space, but Char has the potential to be an effective wildcard candidate for space king given his power and heritage. Challia represents his faction since his disappearance. This was not a total victory for Zeon. GQx is not really a Man in the High Castle scenario at all.

Huh. Neat. Sources?

>>23304827
>he Federation drove Zeon off the Earth
Wrong since last episode shows Zeon's military able to visit Earth without Federation interfering. Zeon clearly still controls some areas on Earth which EF recognizes

>>23305163
It's possible, I suppose. Regardless, the Federation withdrew from space and Zeon doesn't have the strength to root out the Federation at Jaburo. It's unlikely their holdings are significant, if they exist at all. They must've lost Odessa. It's possible that some sort of freedom of movement was a condition of the peace treaty.

>>23305171
Or that Challia simply asked for permission to come down, now that I think about it. And the staff at the manor were talking about selling Machu out to the Federation. That seemed to me to imply that there is a clean sort of earth/space division defining the current UC geopolitical situation. On Earth, the Feds seem to be the ones in power

>>23304827
>>23305163
>The Federation drove Zeon off the Earth,
Proven already to be false.

While they might not be occupying entire continents (I don't think they can effectively control anything on the surface), Zeon still maintains an open presence on Earth.

>>23304826 (OP)
>The slow-boiling tension, and the possibility of a deadly *future* war is supposed to be reflective of our current geopolitical situation.
That's a good way of describing the general atmosphere. It's very minutes to midnight from episode 1, each episode I keep wondering when that other pin will drop and we get a Zeon civil war in earnest.
>They deliberately modeled it after post-war, modern Japan. Tsurumaki said that this is not only symbolic but literal: ethnic Japanese immigration was significant. This is why the Japanese language sees so much use.
I imagine Japan itself is partially underwater with the rising sea levels that likely exist in UC. Guess it does contrast with how most UC work doesn't revolve around the Japanese much at all.
>>23305179
>>23305214
I hope we get to see more of what their presence on Earth looks like. Are they a proper occupying authority that dictates terms to the Federation or did the Feddies just cede some territory to the Zeeks as a term of the peace treaty?

>>23305214
If they controlled a major hub like Odessa it's hard to imagine Zeon would be in so much economic trouble. We don't know the specifics, but it's hard to imagine that the Federation would allow Zeon anything beyond more than a token force necessary to protect its trade.

>>23305179
>And the staff at the manor were talking about selling Machu out to the Federation. That seemed to me to imply that there is a clean sort of earth/space division defining the current UC geopolitical situation. On Earth, the Feds seem to be the ones in power
Pay attention to the show instead of speedwatching. Otherwise, you embarrass yourself.

>>23305230
>>23305232
Note that we have not seen a single active member or vehicle from the regular Federation in the present of 0085.
>Shiiko and her MAV were retired
>Bask, Gates and Deux are clandestine intelligence
>no Light Cannons, no Guntanks
>the guards on Kabas estate look like local police
While you could very well make an argument that they simply do not exist on their lack of presence alone, the most logical explanation is that they are even more expended than Zeon, added to the sheer level of ecological damage in the aftermath of Operation British.

>>23305241
>you EMBARRASS yourself
Sorry I misremembered a single line, you big faggot.

>>23305214
>>23305230
>>23305232
>>23305241

The idea that Zeon is allowed to have troops in Earth reminds me of Cosmic Era where the PLANTS/ZAFT are allowed bases on Earth (Carpentaria in Australia and Gibraltar in Europe).

>>23305100
it came to me in a dream

>>23304826 (OP)
It's ironic because Tomino has said UC Gundam is a dark war story. And that UC Gundam cannot work without war. Based on what I've seen from this Gquux show, I have to agree with Tomino. The most interesting parts are the flashbaxk sequences. The girl drama nonsense feels tacked on as an after thought.

>>23305248
that single line invalidated your whole "earth is for EF and space is for zeon" division so it's more like

>Sorry my theory was wrong, you big faggot

>>23305276
So what? What's your fucking problem, dude?

>>23305464
I'm being an obnoxious cunt to people about getting details wrong, that's what.

>>23305214
>>23305163
>>23305241
>>23305268

Anno touched on it a bit.

>>23305715
Vindicated.

>>23305715
>>23305721
Meaning that the Federation is as weak as I've been telling you all this time: they have no presence in orbit and even on Earth they have pushed aside in favor of Zeon.
Thank you, "Mr. President of Khara Inc.", whomever you might be.

>>23305715
So Zeon just successfully occupied Earth and has for six years?
I really don't understand what Gihren is waiting for then.

>>23305757
>I really don't understand what Gihren is waiting for then.
Getting rid of the old hag and whatever schemes her Newtypes might be cooking.

>>23305759
For six years though? At a certain point you think he'd commit to a priority, either killing his sister or killing civilians.

>>23305757
He still has to deal with Kycillia and there is the stuff with Zeon having money problems...

>>23304826 (OP)
The problem is that none of the kids feel like MCs. Like I have no idea what happened between FLCL and this but Naota felt like an MC despite Kanti and Haruko stringing him along.

>>23305757
>>23305715
Japanese speculate the feddies are mainly centered in the Americas and Europes. Well it's just Anno seeing the Zeon as Japan and pretending there is a co prosperity sphere despite Gihren in the OG saying I want to genocide.

>>23304826 (OP)
Where are the scenes of Char counter-attacking Konfeito and encountering the white Light Guncannon in the series? I downloaded the first 2 eps because the movie was never released digitally and I noticed that scene was missing.

>>23305715
So basically wherever you see Zeon Remnants in other UC, there are Zeon extraterritorial concessions like there were in China during the colonial period. Zeon literally is Space Japan.

So this is some multiverse shit and not just an alternate timeline? Could you say we're going beyond the time

>>23306031
Challia says The rose is from a different universe and has an unstable existance in the Gquuuuux universe, i guess his newtype abilities let him intuit interdimensional physics now or something retarded like that

>>23305715
>>23305740

Though that begs the question as to how Bask and his cronies were able to deliver the Psycho Gundam to Izuma without having been caught by Zeon? I doubt the "air conditioning unit" lie would have convinced Zeon intelligence.

>>23306057
>how Bask and his cronies were able to deliver the Psycho Gundam to Izuma without having been caught by Zeon?
>I doubt the "air conditioning unit" lie would have convinced Zeon intelligence.
Here's a hint. Now you connect the dots.

>>23306071

But if Zeon dominates space, shouldn't big shipments coming from Earth be something that required full attention to avoid the possibility of another war?

I mean, that's what nearly happened but since the Psycho Gundam was used in Izuma (not EF territory) and that Bask most likely fled to avoid being caught, I imagine Zeon couldn't hold the EF accountable for that but the idea that Bask was able to sneak the Psycho Gundam into Izuma without being caught beforehand seems to me that despite Zeon's dominance, maybe if in the even there is another war between Zeon and the EF, the latter will be able to take the former with surprise if they manage to have scrapped up a new space fleet since if Zeon couldn't prevent what happened at Izuma beforehand, what chance do they have of spotting a new fleet of EF ships launching from Earth even with control of a chunk of Earth?

>>23305757
Kycilia's hogging all the Newtype tech. Gihren's building up a Cyber Newtype clone army.

>>23306087
It's right in front of your nose and you come up with some rambling speculation. Goddamnit, do I have to spell it out?

The story is implying that Gihren provided both the Cyber-Newtypes and psycommu technology (if not the completed MS) to Bask's outfit in order to take out Kycilia.

>>23306097
Why would the cyber-newtype be a Murasame from the Earth-based Murasame newtype lab if she came from Zeon?

>>23306104
Because Gihren probably is feeding them with info.

>>23306104
The Murasame Lab probably just did the brainwashing, but the actual "heart" came originally from Zeon. Think of it like Martha and Alberto reprogramming Marida to fight for them.

Also, what >>23306110 said. Think about it, Anon. The Earth Federation has been completely MIA throughout what we've seen of this timeline's 0085. Earth itself is a wreck.
Gihren, on the other hand, has the means, motive and opportunity to put the hit on Kycilia.

>>23305179
If Chalia Bull had to ask for the Federation's permission, the Federation would have probably had enough of a presence in the area where Machu landed that they'd be after the GQuacks well before Zeon, or even Machu herself post-ejection.

A thing I've not found convincing about GQuack's setting is the idea that Zeon would be too broke to try anything for years. This is a setting where Zeon won the OYW, meaning it didn't lose as many soldiers, mobile suits, territories, etc. as it did in the original series. GQuacks has the Solar Ray only being created just now, yet in MSG 0079 Zeon was able to create it even when losing the war and pushed back to A Baoa Qu. A Zeon that captured the Gundam at the start of MSG 0079 and never had to deal with Amuro and the rest of the White Base crew seems like a Zeon that would have all the resources needed to devastate and/or enslave the rest of space before 0085. For example, a Zeon galvanzied by winning the war, even if just Gihren's faction, feels like it would have spies stationed in Side 6, and within two episodes of the first Clan Battle broadcast, Gihren would try dispatching troops to gas the whole colony then search for and retrieve the Red Gundam.

Reckless, severe, radical actions were something Zeon tried in the past, from the top brass to the individual soldiers, and even the presence of a new wave of supercharged Zeon propaganda in light of them winning feels lacking or otherwise underexplored. It's not noted as existing anywhere, nor implied to be narrowly kept at bay by Chalia, Kycilia, or, say, Shuji between Clan Battles, with Side 6 none the wiser until the Psycho Gundam attack.

Perhaps we'll eventually learn that the war never actually ended, or Zeon really has essentially taken over, and certain colonies and places on Earth are subjected to a severe censorship campaign. However, Chalia seems to actually fear the Zabis ruining everything like that hasn't happened yet, so the cold war scenario is probably true. GQuacks is still enjoyable and interesting for the most part, but it doesn't feel like enough is present, based on what we know about Zeon in MSG 0079, to convey that Zeon won the war.

>>23306113
>Think about it, Anon. The Earth Federation has been completely MIA throughout what we've seen of this timeline's 0085. Earth itself is a wreck.

The EF are probably licking their wounds and rebuilding their forces. Didn't 99% of the EF space fleet get destroyed in this timeline? It wouldn't surprise me if EF built a brand new space fleet sitting underneath Jaburo waiting to be launched. 5 years of building and preparing for a new war. If the writers were smart, they would take advantage of the Conservative VS Progressive faction lore we saw in 0083. Have Admirals be infighting behind the scenes in political power struggles. Like Revil VS Bask

>>23306219
>A thing I've not found convincing about GQuack's setting is the idea that Zeon would be too broke to try anything for years. This is a setting where Zeon won the OYW, meaning it didn't lose as many soldiers, mobile suits, territories, etc. as it did in the original series. GQuacks has the Solar Ray only being created just now, yet in MSG 0079 Zeon was able to create it even when losing the war and pushed back to A Baoa Qu.

Well...2 scenarios come to mind.

1. Wars are paid for by borrowing money. Countries sell "war bonds" (an IOU with a promise to pay back with interest) to banks, wealthy individuals, and citizens. These bonds are paid back with interest when the war is over. I'm guessing Zeon borrowed a ton of money, and needs to pay it back to keep their financial system running. Original Principality of Zeon never needed to do this because their government collapsed at the end of the OYW. So Principality bonds are worthless.

Kind of like how modern Communist China no longer recognizes Chinese bonds sold pre-1949 "Republic of China" bonds. The bonds are now worthless and can't be redeemed.

Or how modern Russia will no longer pay for old Soviet Bonds. They declared in the mid 2010s that all Soviet bonds have been "paid" and they won't allow anyone to redeem them anymore.


2. The 2nd Option is that Zeon is spending MASSIVELY behind the scenes. Building lots of ships, mobile armors, new Asteroid bases, or expensive special projects. Imagine Zeon having to pay to build a new Solomon Asteroid base. Or maybe several Axis bases like Axis 1, Axis 2, etc. Or a huge army of upgraded Big Zams in secret.

That despite all the resources looted from Earth and Odessa, it's not enough to cover all the massive Zeon spending. Similar to how the USA and Soviet Union kept spending so much money on the military during the Cold War (1950s to 1990s) despite never going to actual war.

>>23305996
Episode 8.

>>23305996
They moved those scenes further on, they're part of ep 7 or 8.

>>23306254
Zeon, at least Gihren's faction, is the type of group that would outright attack a place to steal its money, but there's not even a murmur of Zeon considering that, let alone trying that. Second, if Zeon was spending for years, why not just attack and conquer space already? Again, they're only just now building the Solar Ray in GQuacks even though they built it in 0079 while facing even more financial, resource, and military hardships.

>>23306396
>Second, if Zeon was spending for years, why not just attack and conquer space already?
They just signed a Treaty and ended a war. It takes many years to recover manpower, resources, troops, and finances. They are in no position to conquer right now. Not unless they have a secret army of 2000 Big Zams and are willing to piss everyone else off and destroy what credibility Zeon has left.

>Again, they're only just now building the Solar Ray in GQuacks even though they built it in 0079 while facing even more financial, resource, and military hardships.
The original Solar Ray was built out of desperation, untested, and rushed.

This new version is probably going to be the Colony Laser. The improved version that can fire repeatedly. Zeon is probably going to build it quietly, and without making 10 million Zeon citizens homeless by stealing a Colony cylinder from citizens. Zeon is either building it from scratch or taking it from a conquered Side.

>>23306409
>homeless by stealing a Colony cylinder from citizens
They'll probably use Side 6 to bring the story back to where it started.

do people really expect gihren to gas earthnoids or something? based on what, the hitler comment? he barely even knows who hitler is

>>23306438
Especially absurd given the way he talks about his plans in 0079. He says the population has already been culled, and now it just needs to be maintained at the same level. If he seized power he would be pushing for eugenics, cloning and sterilization, not concentration camps

>>23305774
RoTK rules, he cant risk going after Kycillia because it emboldens other factions to go after his back

>>23306438
I think he wanted to use Astaroth

>>23306097
there is no implication of that at all. we will just have to wait and see what kind of bullshit writers came up with this time.

>>23306219
>never had to deal with Amuro and the rest of the White Base crew
Not to mention never having to deal with GMs at all, feddies' best weapons remained fucking balls for the whole war

but what if...

>>23306219
Zeon won by a miracle. Even after stealing gundam AND making their own gms AND mass producing big zams they still got checkmated by feds in the end. Char wasnt even planing to stop the asteroid.

Me?

I chose to not watch it because Anno and Tsurumaki are involved. It's not that they're poor directors; but their subjective taste poisons everything they touch, especially Evangelion.


Rei deserved much better.

>>23306635

>>23306444
He said "only the truly worthy must be allowed to live... The Earth system must be cleaned."

>>23306738
>せっかく減った人口です、これ以上増やさずに優良な人種だけを残す、それ以外に人類の永遠の平和は望めません
The population has at long last been diminished. Keeping it stable, ensuring only the superior race persists: this alone is the way we might expect man to enjoy eternal peace.

>>23306244
>It wouldn't surprise me if EF built a brand new space fleet sitting underneath Jaburo waiting to be launched. 5 years of building and preparing for a new war.

>>23306087
>despite Zeon's dominance, maybe if in the even there is another war between Zeon and the EF, the latter will be able to take the former with surprise if they manage to have scrapped up a new space fleet

>>23305179
>That seemed to me to imply that there is a clean sort of earth/space division defining the current UC geopolitical situation. On Earth, the Feds seem to be the ones in power

If this argument is to make sense, then we should see the Federation having some semblance of actual control somewhere, right? Rather than just be a thing other characters mention and some "geopolitics" handwaving. All of the effective power we have seen on-screen is Zeon's, even on the planet's surface.
Apart fron not having any foundation in the story whatsovever, that idea of yours is a really lame deus ex machina: "after years of non-presence, the Federation just comes out of hiding from their base in Jaburo with a shiny new fleet, ready to destroy Zeon".

>>23306601
>they still got checkmated by feds in the end
No, they didn't. At best, the Federation was able to end Zeon's occupation of North America and Eurasia after the battle of Odesa. Everything after Solomon was a disaster:
>Char and Challia sniped their docked fleet from a distance
>M'Quve got smart and decided to assault Luna II, eliminating the EFSF's main space stronghold
>as a desperate move, after acknowledging that the war was lost for them, Wakkein moves to drop Solomon over Granada to choke Zeon economically. Newtype woo-woo stops that plan and Zeon is able to soldier on (despite the Gihren/Kycilia rift), leaving the Federation without even an empty victory and no bases in space.

>>23306898
>>23306890
Apparently the Vietnam campaign and the Peking campaign didn't happen in this universe. Anno hates side stories confirmed. Though it should be noted that Zeon supposedly conquered 2 thirds of earths surface in the OG and that included all of North America and most of Europe so the remaining 1/3rd must have been in Asia. Well apparently that didn't include India which makes sense or the Char side story about him and Lalah don't make sense. I'm guessing Japan is still under EF considering Murasame labs is still a thing?

I can't wait the Le Zeon winning get more delusional when Kycilia blast either the earth and its 3 billion inhabitants(note there is only 6.5 billion humans right now gate the OYW). Which means she would kill more humans than Zanscare, the titans and Crossbone Vanguard combined.
It's either that or she turns the super weapon on her own side 3 people. Neither which looks good for Zeon winning.

>>23307273
Like >>23306004 said, I think it's like China in the later imperial period. While still nominally independent, its products and trade benefit overseas interests through a series of unequal treaties:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_concessions_in_China#List_of_concessions

>>23307287
>the earth and its 3 billion inhabitants(note there is only 6.5 billion humans right now gate the OYW)
Earth has about a billion inhabitants on the surface. Most people have left to the Sides.

>>23307287
True. Actually in the main timeline the EF would have collapsed far earlier just from financial difficulties because 12 billion people and many space colonies and their upkeep was economically unsustainable. Zeon destroying half of the population gave the feddies more time to exist.

>>23307296
Even 1 billion people dying would be more than what died in the main timelines three wars.

By the time of Unicorn 2 billion lived on earth so apparently there was a shift back to earth. Or earthnoids bred like crazy after OYW.

>>23307304
Probably a mixture of both. Note the population by unicorn had recovered to 9 billion or something.

>>23306890
>If this argument is to make sense, then we should see the Federation having some semblance of actual control somewhere, right?
Well this show is focused on Zeon's perspective. So we don't see EF. The EF control a lot of Earth, but they were kicked out of Space almost completely. The EF lost Luna 2, Solomon, and any other minor bases they had. And if I understand things correctly, the EF won the Battle of Solomon, but lost the battle of A Boa Que and was pushed back.

The staff said that this story is meant to be a "Cold War" story. The focus is on tension and uncertainty between 2 major military powers.

>>23307875
>Well this show is focused on Zeon's perspective.
One thing is to be focused on Zeon. Something else entirely is to see no EF presence whatsoever, even when it would make sense.

>The staff said that this story is meant to be a "Cold War" story. The focus is on tension and uncertainty between 2 major military powers.
Yeah, well, it doesn't seem like it. The actual Cold War is taking place between Kycilia and Gihren, with the Federation as a complete non-entity.

>>23305715
>Space Japan, as ever
Why can't they get over the fact they lost and we dropped two of these on them?

wait, garma didn't die in this one?

>>23306898
what are you even saying?
they say it directly in the show

>>23306409
MSG 0079 repeatedly shows that Zeon is always willing to violate treaties, and the amount of lost manpower, resources, etc. is much lower in GQuacks than in MSG 0079. The Federation would be weaker than ever, and would have never even created GMs, let alone provided them with the combat data the RX-78-2 got while Amuro was piloting it. Zeon would be in the best position to try conquering colonies and/or Earth of any Zeon depiction. Furthermore, even if such a move would be reckless and costly to Zeon itself, Zeon has never cared if certain actions are reckless and costly to Zeon itself. Why would the Solar Ray project only just be getting off the ground in 0085, as opposed to a better version having been made years ago by a galvanized Gihren, especially if he wanted to one-up whatever Kycilia was doing on the moon?

>>23306438
Zeon's standard procedure in the OYW, especially with how the war started.

>>23306601
MSG 0079 makes it clear that it wouldn't take a miracle for Zeon to win though. The Gundam and the White Base were instrumental to the Federation staying in the war, at least until after the GMs were produced and given the combat data at Jaburo, and the Gundam and White Base were still important in the aftermath.

>>23308394
>MSG 0079 repeatedly shows that Zeon is always willing to violate treaties, and the amount of lost manpower, resources, etc..

Yeah but only after they are ready to do so. Zeon aren't mindless bloodthirsty dogs. They aren't going to recklessly charge into war when they are still recuperating. The original OYW took around 10 to 20 years of building up military resources before Zeon launched their attack.


>The Federation would be weaker than ever, and would have never even created GMs
>let alone provided them with the combat data the RX-78-2 got while Amuro was piloting it.

Well the EF made the Guncannon Light type which is a combination of the Guncanon and Gundam. It's decent and has the data of Sayla Mass instead. And apparently she destroyed a Big Zam with a Guncannon and hyper hammer.

In this timeline, Amuro is probably an Engineer helping his dad with designing new mobile suits.

>Why would the Solar Ray project only just be getting off the ground in 0085, as opposed to a better version having been made years ago by a galvanized Gihren

Char and Chalia were able to repeatedly snipe from a distance the EF fleet stationed at Solomon. This reduced the EF fleet size by a decent amount. At least Enough to take the edge off.

So when the smaller EF Fleet left Solomon to attack A Boa Que, they weren't as big as the original timeline. Giren judged the situation to not be as dire (compared to the original timeline), and focused efforts on mass producing more Big Zam instead to defend. The EF fleet attack on ABQ failed and they were pushed back.

Big Zam mass production successful.

>>23308426
lalah makes it clear that in all timelines zeon loses except the cursed timeline where she is stuck

>>23308315
He eloped with Icelina, it's offhandedly mentioned in one of the early episodes. Anno drafted a scene where Kycilia had Icelina assassinated but it was cut

>>23304826 (OP)
Making GQuuuuuux so "Japanese" goes against the spirit of the original show.
Beyond V-Fins and the like or the occasional character like Mirai or Hayato there was never many Japanese elements to Tomino's gundams in fact that was sort of his objective, just look up the history of Amuro's name. Beyond the characters audibly speaking the language in the original dubs the Lingua Franca of the Earth sphere is supposed to be English and everything is supposed to be a lot more cosmopolitan as a result of all of the colonist migrations. But Khara's staff is too used to making things with a modern Japanese Aesthetic so they couldn't help themselves

>>23304826 (OP)
>w-we did all these unnecessary changes for *insert artistic excuse about Japanese generations*
Aka they're following trends and formulas for mass produced pop culture hits instead of being creative with an actual artistic vision. Kudos though that was a nice word salad to say the anime version of "we want the call of duty audience"

>there's no action because its a cold war
And if its a cold war/modern geopolitics depiction than there is a very large lack of proxy wars, saber rattling, tech leaps and most importantly the invisible war of subversion that is causing high amounts of domestic instability that is forcing more proxy conflicts as a means to distract and cause 'rally round the flag' syndrome. Where's the asymmetrical warfare? Where's the numerous terror groups and non state actors operating in the two factions backyards?? Where's the civil war in one of the neutral colonies that is destructive to the innocent civilians living there as both sides disregard all else but political victory to get another piece on the chess board?

This looks more like a list building plausible deniability for the writers if you ask me.

>>23304826 (OP)
>>what is the deal with all the metaphysical stuff going on?
>This is to a large extent a story about Newtypes, about whether or not they are real, and what that might mean. The subtle presence of hope and its admixture with doubt in a tenuous geopolitical situation, you can see how this was intended to resonate with modern audiences. Tsurumaki is trying to make the Newtype message intelligible for modern viewers. Yes, that includes you, Gundam fan born in the post-war era
How does turning them into dimension hopping drug addicts help this supposed goal? Seems like a crock of shit from someone who didn't actually understand new types as much as he thought he did

>>23305759
>>23305757
Why is this Gihren so privy and respectful to the danger his sister poses, when before he was so arrogant and sure of himself he told her to fuck off when she had a gun pointed right at his head thinking she wouldn't do it.

>>23309055

In the original version:

It could be argued that Giren thought Kycillia was bluffing when she pulled a gun in him. Giren probably thought it was just a trick to try to relieve him of command and put him in confinement. He didn't actually think Kycillia would kill him since of the huge consequences.

1. They were in the middle of. The battle and the loss of command structure would send their forces into chaos.

2. Giren knew military faction would never obey Kycillia even if she assumed command and had authority (on paper)

In the new version:

Giren never expected Kycillia to be savvy enough to destroy Luna 2. Plus be able to stop Solomon crashing with magic newtype weapons. So Giren is a lot more wary of her.

>>23309060
So this kycellia showed her cards a bit early. Makes sense since she believed until the very end that Char was on her leash. And with this char having much more success she probably thought she had a full hand. Wonder if she would have already made a move if Char stuck around and feigned his loyalty a little while longer. Maybe it would have been easier to work with her in taking out Gihren and then only having to focus on taking her out, but I guess since she knew who he really was she was always onto him and would have purged him as soon as she had no use for him.

>>23308390
Yes, Anon. That is precisely what I said.

>>23309055
Giren thought Kycillia wouldn't kill him since it would cost them the battle. Plus the Giren faction would never follow Kycillia's direct orders. Yes she's a Zabi and deserves respect and courtesy. But she's a different faction.

New version.. I guess Kycillia didn't have a justifiable reason to shoot Giren. Their father Degwin is still alive and never went for peace talks. Degwin is probably retired and chilling in a mansion somewhere surrounded by beautiful maids.

>>23309099
Degwin is probably the only one who can stop this.
If his death can have enough pull and justification to convince the Zeon military to ignore Kycellias fratricidal mutiny, and even covince his miltiary to allow him to negotiate peace talks then he definitely has a lot of pull. He knows the bloodlust his two heirs have, yet he won't stop it for some reason. Maybe Garma will step in and represent his faction.

>>23309112
Degwin originally encouraged this sibling rivalry. He wanted to use Kycillia and Giren to keep eachother in check. While Degwin ruled both of them. It was Garma's death that caused Degwin to enter a depression and let Giren seize command. But Garma is still alive in this timeline. He ran off with Icelina that blonde chick. Degwin probably knows where Garma is, but decided to let Garma be. Just protect him from the shadows.

>>23309075
what you said is nonsense and contradicts the screencaps your own reply and the show in general.
the only thing that could let zeon win is a miracle this show states that directly and explicitly multiple times.

>>23309005

>But Khara's staff is too used to making things with a modern Japanese Aesthetic so they couldn't help themselves

That seems to be Izuma only. Nothing like modern Japan with that brothel Amate/Machu was taken to.

>>23309281
Shut up, please. Miracle or not, the fact of the matter is that the Federation is defeated.

>>23308428
>So when the smaller EF Fleet left Solomon to attack A Baoa Qu, they weren't as big as the original timeline. Giren judged the situation to not be as dire (compared to the original timeline), and focused efforts on mass producing more Big Zam instead to defend. The EF fleet attack on ABQ failed and they were pushed back.
Was that part actually in the production note / Twitter post from Khara? The show basically just went straight to Zeon throwing basically everything they had at Luna II and EF attempting to drop Solomon at Granada after Char and Challia sabotaged the EF fleet at Solomon in Episode 2.

>>23309128
> May God protect the world from my son. And I can't even imagine what Kycilia might be planning. In the end, Hitler's followers ended up trying to kill him

Sounds like he regrets it or thinks Zeon won't survive or tolerate their bullshit. So maybe hes just chilling expecting honorable men like Ramba Ral in the military to set things right if they get out of hand

>>23306219
I haven't watched the show, but if Zeon is supposed to be economically fragile after winning, the explanation could be a badly managed demobilization after the peace. Going from total war production immediately into peace time economics is very difficult and routinely sends countries skidding into long term recession. IRL, it was pretty touch and go in the US after WWII and it was only managed by literally everywhere else being bombed to shit and serving as an export market. If Gqux has kept on with "everything but Earth, Side 3, and Side 6 are dead, then Zeon would be in a really really tight situation after the war. Could have ended up like Britain, which was forced to continue wartime rationing into the 50s and was only kept solvent by external loans. Side 6 could have leveraged loans and their position as an export market to Zeon in order to maintain autonomy in turn.

All in all, the concept isn't unreasonable, but I haven't watched the show and idk. Feel free to tell me why it wouldn't apply.

>>23309567
Honestly i get more vibes that its the interwar years of WW2. To quote that one French general
>this is not peace, this is an armistace for 20 years

There could just be a world wide financial crisis, and embittered feddies planning revenge (Bask and his titans) while Zeon (The entente) are unstable domestically and in their colony holdings and are slow to react. Gihren is the status quo and kycellia is akin to the socialists/communists gaining ground and threatening the political establishment and always at odds with them. And Char and his mysterious faction is the third way(fascists or ecofascists if we want to be specific on char) that will come in and take both by surprise in usurping zeon.

The cold war was all about competing ideologys, there really isnt a competition of ideology between the EFF and Zeon but rather just dominion over the earth sphere.

>>23309446
>Ramba Ral
>honorable
lol, lmao

>>23309567
It's got some major inter-war/ww2 Japan vibes; a relatively improvised homeland (Japan/Side 3) that's reliant on an expanding empire to main control. The difference being that in this version Japan/Zeon wins its initial conflict versus that much larger and industrious power (USA/Feds) and now has to deal with the consequences of its fucking retarded factional military and over-extended empire. It's a really cool concept that so far is getting glossed over for boring character drama and Char and Chalia being Stus, but we shall see where they go with it.

>>23306438
It's literally a line from the original series, retard.
No, it's not the Degwin Hitler scene.

>>23306035
Gquuuuuux Challia has the incredibly ability to read the script.

>>23309849
He's not reading it, he's writing it.

>>23306601
Everything points to Zeon's win being an inevitability if the GM's with Amuro's piloting data didn't make it into production.
Yeah, it's a big if, and the tides turned drastically at that point, but it didn't happen in this timeline.

>>23308766
To be fair there's no reason to believe there's any other timeline where the GM's are pre-empted.

Genuine fucking question: Why is Machu here? She has NOTHING to do with the plot, she's less than useless at fighting, she gets actively cucked out of having any impact on the events of the show at every turn. There has NEVER been a Gundam protagonist who had less to do with what was happening on the screen.

>>23309888
Fuck off, clown spammer.

>>23309888
- You can't sell modern Gundam without a cute girl.

- Bandai "thinks" you can't sell Gundam to women without the main characters being girls.

Which is ironic since the original Mobile Suit Gundam was insanely popular with women. Even though Amuro was the lead, female viewers loved all the interpersonal survival drama on White Base between the characters, and Char / Sayla sibling conflict.

>>23310057
>Bandai "thinks" you can't sell Gundam to women without the main characters being girls.
The target audience isn't females, but rather people that like to play gacha games. You know, moeshitters.

>>23309857
Does make you wonder if chars piloting data was of any use
>just go really damn fast and noone will be able to hit you or dodge

>>23309302
>Miracle or not
quite literally miracle

>>23305274
>And that UC Gundam cannot work without war
War in the Pocket worked just fine.

>>23305770
ChArAcTeR dEvElOpMeNt

>>23306057
In cahoots with Gihren.

>>23310198

>War in the Pocket worked just fine.

That was set near the end of the One Year War. The war coming to Ribo is why the OVA is called War in the Pocket.

>>23310198
>War in the Pocket worked just fine.
literally in a fucking war with both sides violating the neutral colony's airspace by fighting in it

>>23309888
The show spent a while in production and it seems like it spun out into being more and more about its alt-history UC setting than whatever the original idea was.

>>23309888
Anon if you put 2 and 2 together you would see that she is being setup to disturb everyone's plan, Challia and the Rose and likely lead Nyaan into also messing up Kycillia's plan.

Also her being pushed around by adults who want to use her for their agenda has been an overarching theme for the entire show and its clearly leading towards her breaking out of it.

>>23309446
This is what you get when you murder your buddy Deikun. Karma hits hard

>>23309888
I feel the same way about Nyaan. They're both kinda just there.
I'd say the same about Shuuji but he evaporated.

>>23308428
If Zeon wins the OYW, let alone by getting the Gundam and Amuro and the White Base never being threats to them, why would Zeon not already have the resources to do so before 0085? Zeon is also increasingly defined by reckless acts fueled by propaganda, and winning the OYW would supercharge that. The Guncannon Light would be a poor replacement for the Gundam and the GMs, and MSG 0079 showed that Sayla is not a good mobile suit pilot and takes ages to get decent, and that's when sharing the same ship with Amuro.

If Char and Chalia decimated the Federation fleet at Solomon, wouldn't that just support the idea that Zeon had less losses than in 0079 and the Federation had more? Why haven't the Big Zams taken over in the years between the Zeknova and GQuacks? Why haven't they amassed whatever resources would be needed for the Solar Ray?

>>23308766
The show doesn't convey how that would feasibly be the case though. MSG 0079 makes it clear that Amuro and the White Base crew play an instrumental role in the war and helping the Federation win, and GQuacks starts with Amuro and the White Base crew being non-factors and Zeon getting both the Gundam and the White Base's sister ship. Until Episodes 1 and 2 of MSG 0079, the war is in Zeon's favor.

>>23310340
>If Zeon wins the OYW, let alone by getting the Gundam and Amuro and the White Base never being threats to them, why would Zeon not already have the resources to do so before 0085?

We don't know all the circumstances behind the end of the war.

1. Zeon didn't outright "win" the war. The story follows the same format. The were mostly pushed off Earth except for a few token places. Zeon probably don't have Odessa anymore. The difference in this timeline is that Zeon won the war in Space (barely).

2. We don't know what type of Treaty was signed between the Federation and Zeon. Or what the rules of the Treaty are. We know the Federation still exists since some characters mock Zeon for thinking they could defeat the Federation but that didn't happen. And now Kycillia is now begging for money.


3. Zeon doesn't have as much of a manufacturing base compared to the Federation. They are 1/30th in size and resources if we believe Giren's speech. It's going to take them longer to rebuild. Meanwhile in the original timeline, the Federation can rebuild fast and repeatedly. They have Jaburo. And based on comments from other characters, the Federation also controls North America too. So they have California Base, Augusta Labs, and all those other factory bases.

4. Even in the original timeline, Neo Zeon took 7 years to rebuild their milotary to the point where they felt comfortable enough to at least cautiously challenge smaller Federation fleets. And even then Zeon still had a smaller military force.

5. Zeon isn't fully unified behind the scenes in this alt timeline. Giren and Kycillia have their own agendas and spending. Both are building up their forces. In addition, Giren seems to be building mobile armors, cloning, and giant projects like Colony lasers. Kycillia seems to be pursing Newtype research and Newtype weapons of mass destruction.

6. Lastly, Big Zams are expensive. Mass producing Big Zams ain't cheap.

>>23310340
>MSG 0079 makes it clear that Amuro and the White Base crew play an instrumental role in the war and helping the Federation win

The biggest thing White Base did was get combat data for Amuro and the Gundam. Copies of this data was given to all GM pilots. This was what allowed ALL loser GM pilots to suddenly become Ace pilots during the final months of the war.

( Nope sorry! Don't believe all those Gundam side stories and mangas. The Federation had no hidden ace pilots. It was Amuro's superhuman newtype data that carried EVERY Fed pilot.)

And Amuro in Gundam killed several Zeon Ace pilots.

Besides that...Instrumental? No.

But White Base was a valuable "propaganda tool" pushed by the Federation. The Legendary Trojan Horse, it's Ms team, and the White Devil mobile suit. Scared a lot newbie Zeon soldiers.

>>23310340
>The show doesn't convey how that would feasibly be the case though
It does with the moon drop. If that happened it would be in line with all other times lines where zeon loses. But some newtype miracle magic happens and zeon gets their win.
Im guessing the plot of the show now will be about fixing their own timeline by killing both zabis at the same time or something.

>>23310340
>>23310393
This anime hasn't really done a good job explaining to us WHY the Zabis need to die. As far as I can see, they are ruling and managing the Zeon government pretty well. The needs of the common people are met and they can lead happy lives.

The only reason Char wanted to kill the Zabis is because he wanted revenge for his father who lost the political power struggle against the Zabis. But that doesn't explain why Chalia wants the Zabis dead. Nor does Chalia explain what the plan is once they kill the Zabis. What? Are they going to replace the government with a democracy? Or install a puppet leader? See they have no long term plan.

>>23310411
Zeon was never suppose to wage a war with the earth in the first place. The plan was to kill the Zabis and put Zeon back on track of developing living self sufficiently in space. Ideally Char was to set these deaths, reveal himself as Casval, win the war, set everything back on track from when his father ruled. That was his initial plan. In the original UC, though Zeon lost, he still tried to keep Zeon back on that path, that was why he was larping as Quattro and doing things under the AEUG. Char's motive is to advance the ideology of migrating to space, and the colonies free being overly policed and occupied by police states like the Titans and Zabist Zeon

>>23310411
The Nyaan focused episode made it look like Zeon are really bad at hiding their splintered loyalties between the siblings, so Challia probably just realizes a conflict between them is coming to a head.

>>23310411
Why do you assume Challia has a good plan and doesn't just do it because he has Char's autism

>>23310689
Because his intuition is near forth wall breaking up to this point.

when gundam ideon gHAMEGG? https://astroboy.fandom.com/wiki/Hamegg

>>23310411
because they gassed colonies? wanton disregard for civilian populace is Curtis LeMay levels of despotism.

>>23310768
In this timeline, the Federation dropped an Asteroid on Granada. It would have killed billions. The Federation are no better.

>>23310794
>granada
>billions
it's a single city

>>23310920
Don't like a billion people live on the moon?

>>23310439
>Char's motive is to advance the ideology
No it isn't you fucking retard. Char doesn't give a single fuck about ideology.

>>23310930
spread out across a bunch of cities maybe, but gundam was never really exact about the number of colonies, cities, and population figures

more serious armchair neckbeards have only found figures suggesting 10 million or maybe more for the moon, and there's at least two major lunar cities known from the animation (Von Braun and Granada), and an unknown smattering of smaller cities from other stories like manga

https://www.mechatalk.net/viewtopic.php?t=17992
>In Gundam Officials, it's said to be the largest/most populous lunar settlement... home to approximately 50 million people. That'd suggest that the moon's population was somewhere south of 300 million, given the settlements we know about.

https://mechatalk.net/viewtopic.php?p=247626#p247626
>Granada, the second largest lunar city, houses only 200 thousand people according to the Zeta novels. As for Von Braun, the Victory Gundam novels say its population is still less than one million, and that's after it's been made the Federation capital. On this basis, the entire lunar population is probably under ten million - less than a single space colony.

>>23310977
He does though, this is why everytime shows glaze him, it's always for the wrong reasons.

>>23310355
Yet Zeon had the upper hand in space and was gaining the upper hand on Earth before Amuro and co. made major gains. M'Quve had a spy in the Federation trying to undermine Odessa and he was willing to use a nuke that Amuro had to stop. How would Zeon have feasibly lost its control over Earth? GQuacks doesn't explain why the same result occurred without Amuro and co.

Whatever treaty exists, characters generally agree that Zeon won the war, even if the Federation is still around. In MSG 0079, it's clear that if not for Amuro and the White Base, Zeon would have won the war in a way where it would actually have control and access to resources. Gihren's plans even involve essentially hoarding resources while leaving most of the surviving population out to dry, so widespread poverty and squalor don't concern Zeon.

GQuacks also hasn't bothered to explain or imply if Tem Ray still being healthy means that the Federation eventually made up for lost ground with new Gundams or anything like that. GQuacks begins with the key people who saved the Federation in MSG 0079 being irrelevant (save for Sayla) and the instrumental technology for saving the Federation in MSG 0079 now becoming Zeon tech. How does Zeon end up bankrupt, bereft of resources, and unwilling to ignore economies and just steal resources?

Neo Zeon was a mere remnant of the original Zeon that had to flee to Axis and the frontiers of space (though not as far as Jupiter). It didn't even have Side 3 anymore or any of Zeon's bases. Neo Zeon was understandably weak and needed years to build itself back up, and even then it depended on what was essentially a Federation civil war to break out.

Zeon has always had political infighting, but that didn't stop its war machine from devastating other colonies and Earth in 0079. Why has this suddenly changed for GQuacks, as opposed to the infighting only taking center stage when there's no other enemy to treat like a pinata? As for the Big Zams, are they worthless?

>>23310381
Amuro and the White Base helped win several important battles in space and on Earth before finally saving Jaburo and getting the GMs the highly advanced, helpful combat data their computers needed. Amuro and the White Base were indeed instrumental, and they only had more of a propaganda and distraction role after the GMs were rolled out and the Federation began its push toward Side 3.

>>23310393
Such a scenario would depend on Zeon almost having all of its eggs in one basket, and the Zeknova wound up still protecting those eggs, so how did Zeon not end up far stronger than it was at the end of the original series' OYW? How did GQuacks Zeon not then devastate space with the Federation essentially defeated?

>>23310411
Zeon launched a greedy, needless war to conquer the Earth sphere, killed tons of their fellow spacenoids, killed half of humanity, and clearly treat Side 6 like trash. The movies for GQuacks covered the basic opening info shared with MSG 0079, and the infighting between Gihren and Kycilia clearly indicates that neither has anyone's best interests in mind. Char likely hopes to reveal that he's Casval and to govern Side 3 and all Zeon territories.

>>23311196
>so how did Zeon not end up far stronger than it was at the end of the original series' OYW?
They're already far stronger than they were in the original timeline, but war isn't a video game where you pick up resources automatically. Zeon still lost a shitton of troops, weapons, and resources during the war, and since the war ended, it's not like they still have mining operations on Earth sending them riches. Being big enough to bully or conquer the remaining sides doesn't amount to much when they are just colonies, they don't have much natural resources or anything to offer, it's just millions more mouths to feed, unless they do something drastic like immediately vent the colonies to kill all the residents and then capture the structures to salvage or reuse. They might be able to trade with some small independent locations or companies on Earth but Zeon probably remains mostly hostile with the Feds and outside of really rigid communications, they aren't going to start up mutually beneficial trade with the Federation anytime soon.

if they want more material, resources, etc, they are going to have to take it from the Earth or find some more asteroids to mine, but that could take months to years. Quick cashflow from selling surplus Zakus no longer needed after the war is definitely a thing..

>>23311207
Yet MSG 0079 clearly conveyed the fact that if Zeon won the OYW, in particular starting from the point when the Gundam was being loaded onto the White Base, then Zeon would have all the troops, weapons, and resources they needed to then plunder all other resources from the colonies and Earth. Zeon also very much is a nation that would gas the colonies and kill the residents. Zeon seems more resourceful and influential even while losing the OYW in 0079 than it is after winning the war with far less losses in GQuacks.

>>23306219
>A thing I've not found convincing about GQuack's setting is the idea that Zeon would be too broke to try anything for years.
Feddies are broken and the Zabis are gonna descended into civil war any day now so Jupiter doesn’t feel the need to foot the bill to destabilize everything.

>>23311261
they couldn't even invade the entire earth in the prime timeline, how are they going to rape and pillage the entire earthsphere without it taking decades?

>>23311369
In GQuacks, the Federation is defeated, Zeon can plunder space as it desires, and Zeon has an apparent monopoly on Gundams and psycommu technology for years before the Titans make a Psycho Gundam (which they might have only even been able to make thanks to intel provided by Gihren's faction). This Zeon could have taken over more of the Earth, at least after a year or two of plundering space. It doesn't make much sense that they even lost their foothold on Earth when considering things like M'Quve's spy and willingness to use a nuke.

>>23311421
>In GQuacks, the Federation is defeated
The Federation aren't annihilated and gone. The Federation lost the space war, lost all their space bases, and are now stuck on Earth. They signed some sort of armistice with Zeon. The Federation are licking their wounds.

They even mention Federation Augusta labs and building the Psycho Gundam.

A better question is why does everyone assume Zeon would want to "finish the job" and end the Federation? They wanted independence for Spacenoids or Zabi rule. They got it.

>>23311444
Gihren at least explicitly wanted total conquest in the original series. Kycillia was arguable, but in Gquuuuux she seems to be developing a super weapon to finish off Earth anyway.

>>23311443
Why did the Federation think dropping Solomon on Granada was a good idea? It was their last space foothold. They should have just moved Solomon closer to Earth and use it as a base. Plus dropping it violates the Antarctica Treaty. At least Zeon honored the Antarctica Treaty after they signed it. Since the Federation broke the Treaty, it puts them in a bad position when negotiating terms for peace. They probably had to give a ton of concessions to Zeon.

>>23311444
>They wanted independence for Spacenoids or Zabi rule. They got it.
they already had both of those things before even starting the war. all the spacenoids they cared about "getting independence for" already lived in side 3, that's why all of the other sides except for side 6 got nuked

>>23311448
>Gquuuuux she seems to be developing a super weapon to finish off Earth anyway.
Huh? I thought she was making weapons to take out Giren? Where did it say she wanted to fight the Federation again?

>>23311466
>Why did the Federation think dropping Solomon on Granada was a good idea?
it's literally not a thing done in good faith, it's one last middle finger before the end of the war, an act of desperation.

>It was their last space foothold. They should have just moved Solomon closer to Earth and use it as a base
fat lot of good it'll do for the Feds if zeon can just blockade and siege the fortress, and Zeon was already winning at the battle of luna II. an empty asteroid with no fleet cannot protect itself, and zeon has the fleet superiority in space to deny the feds from being able to send new troops\workers\ships to solomon to resupply it

>They probably had to give a ton of concessions to Zeon.
yet somehow the zeeks weren't able to force an unconditional surrender. should have just threatened to drop the zeknova'd solomon onto jaburo.

>>23311468
A better way to put it is Zeon wanted "uncontested" independence for Spacenoids. The Federation did not agree. Both in writing and their actions they viewed Spacenoids as second class citizens and under the rule of the Federation.

In the original timeline, the Colonies had no rights and couldn't vote in the Federation assembly. This was used as an excuse to allow Spacenoids like Side 3 to rise up. Plus the Federation regularly sent fleets to occupy Sides and set up military bases. Even if the Side government did not agree.

>>23311475
>Even if the Side government did not agree.
the side government is literally the federation, it would just be colony population complaining about it

>>23311474
I know Japanese hate talking about this topics, but what about nukes? Why bother with dropping Solomon when they could just nuke Granada into dust?

>>23306035
He did hear Char's last words at Solomon, seemingly talking to someone who Char thinks might be "from the other side". It's not like Challia hasn't had years to ponder over the facts he does know, either.

I wonder if in 0093 of this timeline a Nu Gundam will suddenly pop into existence in orbit. Maybe before then, even.

>>23311443
But how is the Federation even in control of Earth, considering the footholds Zeon had in MSG 0079 that Amuro and co. were instrumental in ousting? How has Zeon not run roughshod over space, plundering it? The Titans still existing but with far less resources is plausible, but the fact that they built the Psycho Gundam specifically as a Gundam seems amiss for the setting.

>>23311466
>>23311474
Depending on if M'Quve still uses a nuke at Odessa, Zeon might have violated the Antarctic Treaty first and the Federation might have considered it nullified.

>>23311527
>but the fact that they built the Psycho Gundam specifically as a Gundam seems amiss for the setting.

The real big oddity is that we aren't getting a side-story manga alongside Gquuuuux. If it was clear we were going to get more side-stories in this universe, allowing the Federation to still make Gundams even if they aren't plot relevant for the main series would make a lot of sense. But at this point it's all a question mark.

>>23311527
I'm guessing this alt-timeline followed the same major events of the original timeline.

>Zeon invaded Earth.
>Took control of major bases like North America, half of Europe, South East Asia, and Odessa
>Got stretched thin.
>Federation counter attacked.
>Operation Odessa Successful
>Zeon Earth forces scattered but not dead.

But things change when the EF get to space. Battles don't go as well. Much more casualties for Federation. They win battle of Solomon but with a lot more losses. Sayla kills Dozle in Guncannon Light Type (a mix of Gundam and Guncannon).

Char and Chalia are able to snipe the hell out of the Federation fleet holding Solomon using long range bits and funnels. Federation takes big losses. They still launch an attack on A Boa Que with a weaker fleet. In this timeline, Giren mass produces Big Zams to defend ABQ instead of the Colony Laser. The Big Zams hurt the EF fleet bad and they retreat from ABQ.

Meanwhile, M'quve attacks Luna 2 using the Granada fleet. The surviving remnants of the EF fleet that attacked ABQ return to Solomon. They get the news that Luna 2 has fallen or is about to fall. This remnant fleet decides to middle finger Zeon. They put boosters on Solomon and drop it on Granada. The drop fails.

The space battles end with Zeon having upperhand. Zeon and Federation sign armistice. Probably with stipulations about prisoner exchanges and giving up lands. Zeon gets all of space. Federation gets "most" of Earth. Zeon gets a few small bases on Earth. All Sides and Colonies finally get official independence from the Federation.

Now The EF is relegated to just Earth (Not sure if Side 7 still belongs to EF anymore).

>>23311555

That's what irked me about this alternate UC: why wasn't Casval/Char sent to Earth with the Gundam to help Zeon win the war their?

>>23311751

Meant "win the war there"?

>>23311751
The stolen Gundam was too special. It needed to be examined thoroughly and tested by the best Zeon facilities which are in space. Char happened to be Zeon's best pilot. So he went with it.

>>23311770
so why cant he deploy in anything else?

>>23311751
He was sent to Odessa by Dozle to look for Garma. He performed aerial combat at Odessa which Flanagan acknowledged.

These were in Anno's draft and Flanagan's character profile. The red Gundam was repainted in October and sent to Odessa.

>>23311555
Federation never attacked Abao aqu.

The Solomon garrison was smaller than in prime UC though.

>>23311791
So how the fuck did they lose Odessa, exactly in GQX?

>>23311802
the description made it sound like he didn't go to odessa to reinforce the front line, rather he was only there for garma and then once he was done he just left and didn't even fight much

also odessa was an offensive movement that attacked all along the european front lines, like a couple thousand miles long. even if char personally dug in long enough to keep his small part of the front line from collapsing and having to retreat, he sure as fuck can't do anything about the parts of the front lines where he personally isn't there to help fight

>>23311815
So they barely one OYW in GQX because they retreated back to space and made the feds take the hit in logistic strains because Deploying from Earth to space would take way more resources for the feda than Zeon would spend deploying into space from space fortresses and Granada, so there's literally no excuse for the federation to not be in this show.

>>23311815
Red Gundam was sent as a diversion but also a pretext to look for Garma before Kycillia caught him. Ultimately, Dozel kicked Char out because Kycillia got to Garna first.

>>23311802
In the Anno draft, M Quave said they didn't want to waste soldiers at Odessa so it was a strategic retreat. He said deploying the Adzam and gaining data at Odessa was good enough. They bad mined the resources they needed already.

In the First Gundam anime, they made losing Odessa a big deal for Zeon. Later in some games they said they had mined enough resources.

The GQX draft clearly said it was a strategic retreat.

>>23311791
I am suspecting that Char took all the glory from the Black Tri Star during the Earth campaign.

>>23311841
He did, it was mention in the where Nyaan fought 2 of them.

>>23310411
how about you watch the show

>>23311196
Coz thats what writers wanted. Who cares? gq is following the old tradition of gundam where "lore" is just a set of fanfics that contradict everything that came before and after

>>23311875
The writers are supposed to make the setting cohesive with where they're placing the story in the overall series' timeline and premise. Why do you think there's an "old tradition" of contradictory nonsense?

>>23311899
>Why do you think there's an "old tradition" of contradictory nonsense?
coz its unimportant.

>>23308162
>the spirit of Creepy Curtis Lemay enters the chat

When episode

Its unpopular opinion but the world building so far in gq is top tier. Less power rangers and more common sense.

>>23312007
wed at 3pm est ot drops

Guys, is this actually real?

>>23312020
Nvm it's fan art

>>23311527
Holy Warrior Green Noah (Gryps 2) likely still is under EF control, so they're probably doing all kinda of newtype interface tech research there.

>>23312013
I wouldn't really call it world building. It's mostly just taking details from UC and not really adding lore.
It's the world aesthetics which is extremely well done. All the inside colony shots look great with atmospheric lighting and the curving colony in the background and the urban sense.

>>23311775
Nobody else can pilot Char's Gundam! Char will beat you up if you try.

>>23311870
>the perspective of one single commander.
>nothing shown about the rest of Zeon, Degwin, Garma, or the common people.
Real good brain ya got there.

>>23304826 (OP)
>says is how newtypes might not exists, there is multidimensional newtype magic

bravo Gcucks

>>23311544
Why wouldn't they be able to make more gundams? It's not like they lost the designs or anything, just the physical prototypes.

So did billions of lives got banished to the void just like that?

>Go Machu, do what you want to
>Also, I'm going to tell you exactly what to do in the next line i speak
Absolute slop

Best parts of this for me have been Machu, Nyaan, Challia, and Comoli.
Bro, Gihren is gona after two minutes. Fucking lol.
Sadly, I think Nyaan's going to die. She's hit that point of doing something horrific and will take Kycilia's words of "keep fighting" into the grave. She's not going to be able to live normally and I don't know if Machu can snap her out of it.
I fucking love the designs for both the GQuuuuuuX and FreD. If a final battle is handled well enough, then maybe this could wrap up in two episodes. Still, I hope they do more with these characters and setting.

>>23312175
Degwin is dead and Garma quit Zeon

>>23312272
He wants newtypes to be free

>>23312276
>Degwin is dead
This was Never said.

>>23312339
They did it today mane.

>>23312272
When are you going to stop being such a fucking loser? Why are you actively searching for things to be pissed about? Just fuck off if you don't like it. We don't need running negative commentary every week, every day.

>>23312343
You are not allowed to act smug when they just showed this information in the latest episode! Act least mark it with spoilers anon.

>>23312255
>Hey you know how we can upgrade the colony laser?
>Add in a psychofield, so whatever we shoot isn't destroyed, but instead banished through a singularity to another universe!
Banagher is crying.

>>23312343
Wtf did he die of? 5 years means he died in 0079. But Giren didn't kill him in this timeline, and Garma is still alive. So that means no hyper depression for Degwin.

>>23312359
Gihren killed him.

>>23312359
Gihren still killed him, but he was able to obfuscate the details enough to keep it as just rumors. Kycilia wasn't fooled, but didn't kill him in revenge back then. By assassinating her brother and his aides, destroying the Supreme Commander's complement of Big Zams and sinking their accompanying warships, and then obliterating A Baoa Qu, Gihren's primary fortress, Kycilia has now become the Supreme Commander of Zeon, its sole ruler.

>>23312360
>Shoves Degwin down a staircase
>"The Sovereign is dead! What a calamity!"

Even before Kycilia killed him, he had been crushed to death under the weight of his own sins.

>>23312175
the beard guy is The Main Character meaning he is always right.

>>23304826 (OP)
>They deliberately modeled it after post-war, modern Japan. Tsurumaki said that this is not only symbolic but literal: ethnic Japanese immigration was significant. This is why the Japanese language sees so much use.
>places named after locations in London
wtf

>>23304827
Gihren finally did (half) a Hitler thing
>>23312382

>>23312359
Degwin died happily on a beach pool surrounded by 20 beautiful women and bags of cocaine. Degwin went a little too hard celebrating Zeon winning the war. His old body take it.

Unfortunately Kycillia blames Giren for this, and this misunderstanding has led to a cold war between the 2 siblings.

The the person whining in this thread about the Federation not existing, we got direct confirmation in the latest episode. They exist. They are just keeping a low profile and don't care about Zeon right now.

>>23312382
Why is ghiren so shit at poisoning in this timeline?
>Poisons 2 of Fred's pilots only because Xavier was too retarded to put 2 and 2 together
>Tries poisoning the third, fails catastrophically
>Fails to poison Kycilia
>Gets poisoned himself
At this point I'm sure him managing to poison Deikun was an absolute fluke

>>23312359
I saw a Nip claim that Garma is now dead despite leaving the military according the movie pamphlet. It sounds so asspull.

I don't understand why Machu should trust Challia so much? He's a scheming adult and keeping her imprisoned when she's not flying the Gundam.

>>23313022
the runtime's getting short so don't expect them to drag out characters' actions

>>23313022
Every writing decision relating to Challia is bad

>>23313161
stop talking about writing you illiterate monkey

>>23313207
i will when Enokido starts writing well, but I don't think that will happen

>>23312339
>>23312359
watch the fucking episode

>>23313020
Not dead, but Icelina and her father are rumoured to have been executed.

I wish Kycilia was my mother...

>>23313244
You aren't smart or clever because you watched the latest episode that just aired.

>>23313413
but you are fucking retard if you haven't and try to argue about it

>>23313440
Calm your t1ts. Half the people on the board haven't seen last night's episode.

>>23313402
>ywn have a kycilia mommywife
Why even live

>>23313444
yes they have lmao

>>23312255
>billions
A Baoa Qu has thousands at the most.

>>23313446
Bruh just admit you wanted to own the other anon. Problem was that you jumped the gun. Should have waited a day for max effect.

>>23312255
Tomino's gotta be annoyed now. He said he created Colony drops and super weapons like the Colony lasers in order to show the audience the horrors of war and make them realize peace is the best path for humanity.

Not for writers to copy the same formula in every Gundam story cuz they think it's cool.

If you had to push a button to kill hundreds of thousands of people in return for a nice smelling mature woman patting your head and personally baking you sweet treats everyone here would do it, don't lie.

>>23313456
>He said he created Colony drops and super weapons like the Colony lasers in order to show the audience the horrors of war and make them realize peace is the best path for humanity.
WHERE did he say that?


>Not for writers to copy the same formula in every Gundam story cuz they think it's cool.
That ship has sailed for decades now.

>>23313456
A key detail is also how Zeknovas as designed to look visually beautiful as opposed to the banality of a colony laser or colony drop damaging thjngs. The creators of the show probably intense it to be a juxtoposition between the season's nasty and it's death toll through how Komoli, Machu and Challia are scared shitless through the whole thing, but it's still covering up the gruesomeness like replacing the blood of a gunshot wound with rose petals for artistic effect

>>23313462
Are you the same faggot that's been defending the godawful J-Pop juxtaposition in this show?
Yeah, nah, it's still shitposting even when Tsurumaki is being ironic.

You guys still want a second cour? I completely lost interest and hopium

>>23313473
Leave

>>23313471
No actually, i think the generic Jpop is getting pushed because some vtuber agency signed a contract and I don't really like the show's overall atmosphere. I just think specifically that the Zeknovas were made to look like that on purpose, sort of like Turn A's moonlight butterfly. And to be clear, I don't like how the visual effect of the Zeknova covers up the destruction

>>23313473
No, I do not want a second goddamn cour. I wanted this show to have had 26 episodes from the start.

>>23313462
>A key detail is also how Zeknovas as designed to look visually beautiful as opposed to the banality of a colony laser or colony drop damaging thjngs.
Thank you. I was thinking something similar like "why does this super weapon looks so beautiful and pretty? This is odd." I'm glad someone else pointed that out. Tomino always made the super weapons moments very ominous. Never celebrated.

>>23313488
IIRC that line of thought was also what caused Tomino to include the BUG anti personnel drones in F91, because he thought just having a colony gassing on screen wouldn't be visceral enough

>>23313022
She didn't at first, Machu reacted to Challia's lecture about how easy she had it but she threw it all away the same way she did to her mom. But then Earth and the brothel happened and it finally sank in how right Challia was. Then actually training and the tale of his Jupiter journey resonating with her did the rest

>>23313498
>because he thought just having a colony gassing on screen wouldn't be visceral enough
shit take, like he never heard of nerve gas, people bleeding out of their orifices, skin melting, etc

>>23305757
Japanese writers never know what to do with the Federation beyond mirroring the inefficient and bureaucrat Japanese gov plus US imperialism because Western Liberalism and The Enlightenment are foreign concepts to them.

>>23309888
And there's 2 two eps left. Literally Anno and his buddies smashing their toys together.

>aim multiverse cannon at something
>suddenly voices start coming from it
>GUNDAM FAITO... READY... GO!
>CAGALLI IS CRYING
>SORE DEMO
>hey Orga... can I crush them?

>>23313536
>gquuuuuuxified barbatos

>>23309888
The last two episodes were literally just her standing around listening to deranged newtypes exposit irrelevant information to her while she just sat silently.

>>23313549
She stopped being relevant to events astounded as soon as Nyaan piloted GQuuuuuux. From that point on she's only been a POV character for characters from MSG to moan at. At least Nyaan does things

Just picked this up after being put off by what they did to grandpa, but I've been surprised by how much I've enjoyed the series, as much as I still detest the butchering of some OG designs and holy fuck the difference between when there's some shitty jpop or some of the OG songs being used is stark.
I didn't think I could enjoy Gundam series anymore since despite my love of 0079, Zeta and ZZ struggled to land, let alone later stuff.
Not going to pretend a good chunk of it isn't just 0079 references but I've been enjoying myself.
Fuck Dozle not being saved though. He was fucking right about the BIG ZAMs.

I look forward to finishing the last released episode and then scrolling through /m/ threads I've neglected to see how every other /m/an thinks it's a fucking travesty.

>>23305757
Anno literally cannot write to save his life. It's pretty clear that at this point Gundam doesn't care about creating interesting worlds or writing compelling stories. This might actually be the most egregious entry yet. If it wasn't for Khara's brand power and namedrop references no one would give a shit about this story or the mecha designs, which feel like AMAIM rejects for the most part.

>>23309055
This episode implies he was literally no more privy to how dangerous his sister was than he was in the original timeline, so i have no idea why he let her stand in the way for six years.

This show isn't flawless. Not even close. But it is the first time since at MAYBE G-Reco that I've been engaged enough to see continuing to watch a new Gundam series as anything other than my obligation as a lifelong fan of the franchise. I still haven't finished G-Witch. I don't hate it: I just don't care enough to keep going.

I don't know how good or not this story will end up being. But I care enough to find out, and for that alone I commend Gquacks.

>>23313624
More or less my stance. Riddled with things I wish they'd done differently, but I don't feel an obligation to keep watching things I don't enjoy just because I liked the original - the SW prequels were the last things I watched in that franchise because I wasn't interested in seeing it dragged through the mud. Gundam was getting close to that, but this has me interested at least.
Sad that it takes a UC alternate timeline littered with fanwank cameo's to do that, but it's better than plenty of the other offerings the franchise has had.

Extremely based.
>>23309112
>Maybe Garma will step in and represent his faction.
I can see that, yeah. Char coming into the light and using Garma to pull in the remnants of the Gihren faction.

>>23313624
>But it is the first time since at MAYBE G-Reco that I've been engaged

I think I'm in the same boat as you. But even on a mechanical design level I didn't enjoy anything since Greco. The militaristic stuff without waists in Greco weren't my thing, and Gwitch's while technically good I just found uninteresting.

>>23313695
Side 6 uses repurposed Salamis and Magellan.

Maybe this heavily implies that the Federation has super advanced tech up their sleeves, kind of like how Axis returned in 0088 with new tech.

Hopefully this facilitates for a sequel and Axis also exists in GQX.

>>23313736
Police Zaku and Police Feddie Ships. Feddies must reall

>>23313741
Feddies probably have no faith in their 0079 ship models. They must be manufacturing something different at Jaburo now.

>>23313636
Based how? He died pretty much immediately after saying that. Nyaaaaan is a gaslight gatekeep girlboss

>>23313471
YOASOBI and Kenshi Yonezu are both guilty for hiding dark content in the lyrics of an otherwise cheery or upbeat song. If they collaborate... I have a bad feeling they could kill more people than what Tomino and Urobuchi could combined.

>>23313488
I personally thought it was horrific. NYan's kirakira in an earlier episode had an ominous tone too because the colors were all dark. Nyan's eyes and all the ships burning up in Earths atmosphere especially. It was more like a giant storm. And the idea of something that should be beautiful but was perverted and what it could be doing mentally to Lalah. 'Lalah is crying.' And how many people saw it on earth. Idk I liked it.

It weirdly reminded me of ReBoot if anyone is familiar or remembers that. Giant psychedelic portal where alien kai come out and start a war and the characters even comment on how beautiful it is. Maybe Turn A is a better ad more relevant comparison.

>>23313761
I'm so fucking tired of YOASOBI they're in fucking everything now

>>23313736
>Maybe this heavily implies that the Federation has super advanced tech up their sleeves

>>23313745
>>23313741
>They must be manufacturing something different at Jaburo now.
Or, the most logical choice, they are utterly bankrupt. Zero resources whatsoever to develop jack shit. They're obligated to sell their old surplus to Side 6 in order to make some money.
This was the episode for them to show up in some form, but nothing. At this stage, it feels like someone doesn't want them to appear.

>>23313811
>no resources
You have the God damn earth and her infinite abundance.

But honestly I dont think they should show up. Not unless they change. You dont lose a major war and people just be like
>yeah let's just keep this system snd bureaucrats around that costed us the war.
Feddies need to be rebranded. Need to have more radical grit to them for losing just like how the zeeks got more radical after they lost the OYW

>>23313824
>You have the God damn earth and her infinite abundance.
so why are the feds poor in both original timeline and GQX?

>just like how the zeeks got more radical after they lost the OYW
??? they just kept doing more atrocities like colony and asteroid drops like their grandpappies did, it was the same edge, no more no less

>>23313824
>You have the God damn earth and her infinite abundance.
Why is this still a fucking argument? The whole point of space colonization is that space offers orders of magnitude more resources than the planet could ever provide. Plus the benefits of no gravity well.

>Need to have more radical grit to them
Just say it: you want them to become the Titans.

>yeah let's just keep this system snd bureaucrats around that costed us the war.
Note that all of the UC heroes in the main continuity fight for precisely that. The actual anti-Federation radical, Hathaway Noa, got in front of a firing squad for his problems.

>>23313760
Kycillia killed the strong alpha male through deceit. How am i supposed to get my Gihren written self help books and online courses now? And of course, now that the stunning and brave woman has taken over from the straight white man, Zeon is officially woke

>>23313830
Zeom went from wanting to occupy the earth with the zabis to fucking Char wanting permanently make it inhabitable

>>23313835
Cause we barely tapped into her resources. Especially in the oceans and deeper her into the crust. You think geology and earth science just hits a plateau? No, New methods are constantly being innovated and more and more pockets of resources are discovered. Remember the entire scare about peak oil then Fracking was discovered and completely destroyed that predicting? Earth can not be that starved for resources else the whole idea of a unified earth federation would immediately collapse under the strain of autarky.

And no I dont want the Titans. They were fueled by arrogance and greed. Not revanchanism and ultramilitarism. They were incompetent and just ended up being couped by a spacenoid Jovian with a messiah complex. Before that they still had to answer to the bearucrats which after Quattros speech, had cut them off.
As for UC heros are usually outliers, not people in the system. There would be high ranking officers, ambitious politicians, and radical parties that would just self coup or politically outmanuver the bearucrats whose popularity would be at an all time low with people for losing the war. So it really REALLY makes no sense for the feddies not to be shooken up politically especially towards a more centralized and extremist government. It wouldn't be some Japan LDP situation where they stick around forever for the sake of stability. Mafty type groips arent the ones that take out bearucrats. Its the Caesars from their own political apparatus that usurps control

>>23313871
>bearucrats
>shooken up
Holy ESL

>>23313871
Did you miss the part about the Earth suffering a nuclear winter effect? The Earth in Gquuuuuux is probably suffering with shortages of food due poor agriculture production.

>>23313883
You're not worth the effort

>>23313889
All the more reason that the federation would be even more radical and extremist. Famine and poverty are guarantees for Revolutions.

And in our UC how many colony drops did Earth suffer yet the Feddies were still a huge force and making leaps in technology.

>>23313871
>Cause we barely tapped into her resources. Especially in the oceans and deeper her into the crust. You think geology and earth science just hits a plateau? No, New methods are constantly being innovated and more and more pockets of resources are discovered.
Anon, the Universal Century has fucking space habitats in orbit. At that stage of technological development, it's easier and cheaper to go mine the asteroids than continue to extract resources from Earth.
Yes, a sailship can still cross the oceans, but nobody bothered after steam propulsion was perfected.

>They were fueled by arrogance and greed. Not revanchanism and ultramilitarism.
In practice, this is the same fucking shit. Look at Japan during late Taisho/early Showa.

>As for UC heros are usually outliers, not people in the system.
They might be outliers, but they still fight for the system.

>There would be high ranking officers, ambitious politicians, and radical parties that would just self coup or politically outmanuver the bearucrats whose popularity would be at an all time low with people for losing the war.
>no sense for the feddies not to be shooken up politically especially towards a more centralized and extremist government.
Or, as it has happened numerous times in history, it would break apart in its various constituent parts. There is no reason for that hegemon system to still exist (especially after being defeated by Zeon), much less that its demise would mean a dark era for the planet.

>>23313901
>Famine and poverty are guarantees for Revolutions.
Or, again, secession. How come nobody ever considers that an option for the Earth Federation? It's either reforming the hegemon or turning the hegemon into a tyranny, but never dissolving it.

>And in our UC how many colony drops did Earth suffer yet the Feddies were still a huge force and making leaps in technology.
All of that R&D came from Anaheim on the moon. The EF on Earth developed and built very little on their own after the OYW.

>>23313760
He was right though
>Woman seizes power
>Immediately develops a black hole gun and fires it on her own people

>>23313918
>>23313903
One thing I always give credit to late UC is the warring states period between colonies that just ignore the federation because its so weak at that point

>>23313536
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxtT-7fTO9o

>>23313918
Succession still causes a war. You use Yugoslavia as an example when that was a complete clusterfuck of genocide and ethnic cleansing. And with how every subsequent UC writer tries to one-up the previous one on how objectively evil they can make the Federation (hell even Tomino made the Federation worse each installment) theres no way at this point that the Federation would respond to a secessionist movement with anything less than mass murder.

>>23313503
Don't bother. If there's anything in common on all the screeching about this episode it's that none of these people have been watching the show without having most of their attention focused on their phone. I swear it's just a never ending parade of people going "Why did this thing happen?" two seconds after the characters just said why it happened.

>Banging a hot secretary cures Gihren of his genocidal ambition
Theres a lesson here....

>>23313001
Gihren took the credit of poisoning Deikun when it was Degwin who actually did it

>>23313800
I want angela back.

Watched the latest episode. I honestly thought at first Kycillia was pulling a Darth Vader and choking Girens secretary with newtype power. Like how Darth Vader did it against the Admirals who started mouthing off to him in Star Wars. A secretary mouthing off against Kycillia is pretty ballsy.

Then it was revealed to be poison and I was disappointed.

>>23314071
He was in a relationship with Cecilia even before the OYW. It's most like Enokido and Tsurumaki didn't wanted to expand on him and just expect everybody know him as space Hitler at this point.

the way this show jumps around each episode is borderline schizo tier
It makes every episode feel 10 minutes shorter than it actually is

>>23314486
Tailor-made for the TikTrash audience.

>>23314430
Sorry only iron mask gets to kill people that way

>>23314486
I don't mind some of it, but the "let's cut a conversation off just before the important part so we can drop it as a flashback in 5 minutes" bits are too frequent when it's often literally just the few lines of dialogue they wanted to withhold.
The jumps between present and 0079 didn't really bother me.

>>23314486
>Challia handing off the rose and training machu completely off screen
>Challia having a flashback to himself talking about killing the zabis like he has to remind himself what his own goal is
>Episode 9 cutting back and forth from the Sodon and Earth for no reason
>Shirouzu getting teased again while not contributing anything, like if Scirrocco's earlier appearances of himself in Zeta before he stepped into the limelight were just him walking around doing nothing
Fire the director

>>23306270
>>23306266
Thanks. I hope they make the movie available after the series ends; it's got some different, I think more logical pacing.

>>23314758
I mean it's pretty clear Char is trying to get close to the other Lalah

There were so many better ways of executing the Multiverse idea in Gundam.

>>23315021
Are you seriously, unironically implying that Kamen Rider Decade is a GOOD multiverse story?

>>23312013
What world building? We barely know anything about the world just like FLCL.

>>23314061
I don't remember either F91 or Victory, feddies being that evil. Negligent sure.

>>23315220
>just like FLCL
secondary

Why is Kycillia building the Colony Laser in this anime? In the OG show, it was Giren who built it.

>>23315364
She gets to be space hitler in this timeline

>>23315364
My impression at first it was a second space colony laser in response to the Solar Ray they had been building but not completed during the OYW and I thought that's why they're so poor since they were building lasers between the two's sphere of influences, so it could've been a colony laser fight but we got freaky elaborate sling your cosmic trash into another dimension gun instead. I'm being gaslit by a show and I'm enjoying it.

>>23314486
>>23314758
you know that point when a long running show's team has irl trouble and the writing and direction get erratic
this shit hit it at like ep 4
I really can't take something so sloppily made and its defenders seriously

>>23315229
The Federation doesn't really meaningfully exist anymore in late UC though. Like yeah sure they officially do on paper but they've lost the ability to prevent succession even if they wanted to. Early and Mid UC Federation absofuckinglutely would respond to an independence movement by carpet bombing civilians.

>>23315745
Would they though? I think it depends a lot more on how it influences the personal standing of the top brass. Out of a combination of cowardice and indifference they almost let Char glass Earth. They outright allow Dublin to be colony-dropped and take a shockingly long time to be convinced they actually need to fight Axis Zeon despite Axis Zeon clearly planning total conquest.
Hell by F91 they actually do eventually send in the cavalry to help the fight, they're just slow to act.
I'm not defending the Federation as such, but it's more an impossibly big power structure that shackles the good people and doesn't do enough to shackle the bad. It's not evil as such, at least not in the same way that a Zeon or a Cosmo Babylonia is.
I do agree that the political situation isn't particularly well handled in G-qucks though. I'd like to know way more about the current state of what remains of the EFF, EFSF, all that. An Earth-Zeon cold war sounds way more interesting than a Zeon-Zeon cold war to me.

Why arent Zakus or even the Gelgoogs upgrated to feature a core block system after the capture of the Gundam. Even the GQ machines have it.

>>23315864
No point, not really worth it. Same reason the feddies never adopt it as a regular feature.

>>23315364
I'm guessing it's because she bought whole-heartedly into newtypes as the next stage of human evolution after she mistakenly assumed Char sacrificed himself to stop Solomon being dropped. Destroying the Earth to get rid of the place that's holding mankind back from evolving further, and so on. It'd also give her speech to Ghiren a bit more meaning.

>>23315793
>I'd like to know way more about the current state of what remains of the EFF, EFSF, all that.
For all intents and purposes, the post-war Earth Federation is a rump organization in the Quax timeline. I'd be surprised if they have any meaningful forces outside of Jaburo.
The EFSF do not even exist as a branch anymore. All of their bases were obliterated during the war. There aren't even gunships in orbit.

>>23313865
>Gihren written self help books
i would buy this

>>23313457
Kycilia has always been a top tier character to me and genuinely the only thing not cringe about the origin

>>23314529
Only someone like Machu might be able to tap into his sheer cuck rage to kill someone with sheer Newtype powers. Nyaan could count too since Shuji No Way Fag'd her, but it might just overlap with her normal disregard for human life.

>>23318641
>The EFSF do not even exist as a branch anymore. All of their bases were obliterated during the war. There aren't even gunships in orbit.
I didn’t think of it until now but you’re probably right. There’s no way they wouldn’t have at least some military present when Zeon’s building this massive station right on their doorstep otherwise.

wonder what the deal will be with this powered up state

>>23319253
I wonder at the context of this shot. It's framed like something in Machu and Nyaan's fight, but my gut says otherwise.

>>23319253
Considering all the mentions of "Alphacide" in the GQuuuuuuX's code and the options of who the "Alpha" might be I would say this likely is Waldo's own version of the Psyco Neutralizer and NT-D System

>>23319444
It's not a perfect 1:1 mapping but it feels like the GQ machines are a pretty clear counterpart to Unicorn's UC program in a couple ways already, so that could track.
Kind of weird to be drawing on that when it's for the most part about original recipe Tomino UC but whatever. All bets are off when you get into people actually going Beyond The Time.

>>23318173
Where is Garma though? Is he on Earth with his
fiancée?

>>23319491
>artist making sure to show nyaans tummy in every variation

>>23319605
I was going to say earlier but forgot, they seem to have specific instructions on how to define her abdominals too.

>>23319605
>>23319611
Someone knows the score.
Man, I really hope this ends well for Nyaan. It's not looking good right now, but if her arc ends up just being "gets relentlessly shit on by life, groomed by evil, dies" then I don't know if I can keep liking this show.

>>23319488
I think it's the natural conclusion to Newtypes becoming a big thing in war, the GQuuuuuuX is quite probably a direct response to the threat Char and the Red Gundam could represent while GFreD is probably made to be good against most MS and MA while also being capable of operating the Solar Ray, if I had to guess they probably didn't account for Waldo going against it

>W...why didn't Gihren do horrible things when he won? H...he is literally hitler!
>Why didnt he kill his sister? He killed his (genocidal warmongering) father...
>W...why .... WHY ISNT HE EVIL REEEE
Based Gihren making feddies mald

>>23322054
>lives the NEET life for 5 years
>has hot gf

>>23322054
he's a spacenoid so he's still evil

even made by sunrise

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cm5I0hQhvzU&t=28s

So I just watched the original Mobile Suit Gundam for the first time, seeing how GQuuuux keeps referring to it. And I was curious. I haven't watched Gundam since Wing, randomly picked up the new one and it reminded me of how I always wanted to catch up on the original...

One thing that is striking, is how the Newtypes seem to be almost paranormal. That's the mood I got from the original and GQuuuxx seems to be leaning more into that. Wing didn't really hammer on that point so much. It felt like Newtypes were just mutants with extra reflexes... that's how it was in the 90s/00s but now it appears they are going back to a more spiritual thing.

I like how GQuuxx seems to be given characters a second chance though, Mobile Suit Gundam was constantly introducing people and then killing them right the fuck off. I like this iteration of Chalia Bull.

I'm not for sure what the point of this post is other to say:
You need to watch the first Gundam show to even understand this one. (Which is fine by me).

>>23322242
Wing is a completely different story taking place in a completely different setting, it's not UC and Newtypes aren't a thing in the show.

>>23322054
>WHY ISNT HE EVIL
Anon.

>>23306031
gq is a sequel to cca, just like nge rebuild

>>23322242
>paranormal
It gets even crazier in Zeta and ZZ.

>>23322242
Newtypes in UC are pretty all over the place.
As others pointed out, Wing also isn't UC. Different settings have different rules, even if they sometimes have overlapping concepts and terminology.