Thread 23308139

for someone new to gundam, am I missing much if I watch the movies for 79 as opposed to the show?

>>23308139 (OP)
Why do you want to watch the movies instead of the show?

>>23308139 (OP)
Yes watch both and don't be a pussy.

The movies are incredibly long and more or less cover the same thing. All important character arcs are intact. Don't treat 0079 as something that you have to "get through" it genuinely holds up very well in every aspect except for the animation. Char is not just a meme.

>>23308145
>it genuinely holds up very well in every aspect except for the animation
that's the best part though, it adds some levity.

Watch both, it's about getting the full experience. You people nitpick too much.

>>23308139 (OP)
Yes.
0079 is a great series on its own. It's a coming of age story of Amuro with a paint of Space Battleship Yamato. The day to day struggles of Whitebase crew, the ramp up of stakes on episode by episode basis with the ship barely holding on is very compelling. The movies streamline the stories, either by rushing arcs or entirely cutting out episodes. Compilation films just aren't a good format.
You should watch the tv series and save the trilogy for rewatches.

>>23308139 (OP)
They are both worth watching, but if you have limited time and get to the CCA movie quickly then yes you can just watch the trilogy and then CCA. If you have a lot of free time then sure, stop and smell the roses.

I wasted a tremendous amount of time playing MMOs and watching full 50 to 100+ episode long anime shows when I really should have been working on my degrees.

It's perfectly doable to watch both. I recommend watching the TV series first then the movies, so you get the full story first and then when you watch the movies later it's quicker, you won't feel like "I already know this story" and get burnout and stop watching partway through, plus you can try to spot the differences they made for the movies

>>23308139 (OP)
>am I missing much
You're missing about 9 hours of footage

>>23308139 (OP)
no point in movies just go for the series
movies add like 2 reanimated scenes and that's it disappointing.

>>23308149
>predicting where the barrel of his gun will be to connect the shot
so this is the power of newtypes huh

>>23308139 (OP)

Fuck both , read The Origin manga

>>23309207
Shut up, commie. Amuro never liked Fraw bow.

>>23309212

Silence boy before Yas lines you up with the rest of the "Chivatos"

>>23308382
And worse dialog including ruining scenes with extra dialog. And if you're a Dubfag the movies are even worse in that regard

>>23309242

No one is taking your precious salt episode away

>>23309254
running out of salt is a serious concern on a ship!

Watch the movies and then remember even people making Gundam sequels and spinoffs couldn't easily rewatch the TV show until after 08th MS Team came out.

>>23309297
Did Zeta and ZZ get home releases? I know Zeta had a pretty big otaku following so I figured it existed on VHS somehow.

>>23309320
maybe on laser disc

>>23308139 (OP)
The movies are a director's cut of the show. You'll miss a lot of the filler and amuro's mom doesn't show up along with a couple events restructured for flow. The big changes are getting rid of the superrobo things like the hammer, the transformation modules, ditching the guntank for another guncannon. Both are enjoyable. But it's different takes of the same material.

>>23308382
>movies add like 2 reanimated scenes
There's a fuckload of re-done scenes throughout the 2nd and 3rd movies (especially the 3rd), as well as a good handful of entirely new scenes to smooth over the parts where events have been shuffled about and put a clearer focus on the Newtype stuff

>>23309345
>>23309345

I forgot how much of a bad ass the movies make Bright out to be

>>23309320
There's a website that lists all home video releases for Gundam. In general the TV series didn't get released until the mid 90s (Zeta and ZZ) but something like the original movie trilogy were out there in 1982.


http://allthatgundam.web.fc2.com/visual/series.htm

>>23308139 (OP)
The first time I watched Gundam there was not a full subbed English version. I watched until the episode of Lalah's death and then switched to the third movie. I probably would do the same again without watching the episodes of "Time stand still" and "Doan Island".

>>23308139 (OP)
The movies are incredibly long and cover less of the same thing. Not important character arcs are intact. Don't treat 0079 as something that you have to "get through" it genuinely holds up very well in every aspect except for the animation. Char is not just a meme.

>>23309254
It’s 99% intact in the films too you fagatron

>>23309386
>13 VHS tapes for Zeta
>the boxes don't even have really cool spine art
sad

>>23309403
>Not important character arcs are intact.
Such as?

>>23309406

Sure pal

If you actually like the giant robots then the show. Since you'll miss out on designs like the Gyan, Zaku I,all sorts of mobile armors, Gogg, G armor, etc etc

Plus there's some minor non Canon things the movie have like Mquve living. So that is not part of the continuity that goes by the show

>>23309457
While it’s true that the story differences between the TV anime and film trilogy (especially since the latter was later canonized as the “true” events of 0079) has made it a headache, it hasn’t been all bad. For example retconning M’Quve’s nastier moments as well as his death allowed for some interesting character and lore ideas later down the road. Him sacrificing himself to protect innocent civilians (and especially Dozle’s widowed wife and daughter) was a shocking change to his tale in particular, but one I liked.

Would TV M’Quve do something so selfless and brave? Fuck no. But as portrayed in the films, I could see it.

>>23308139 (OP)
Movies 1 and 2 are pretty much strictly worse than the show but you don't miss anything ABSOLUTELY VITAL I guess
Movie 3 is far better than the equivalent episodes because they re-animated a lot of it and did excellent work with the soundtrack

>>23309207
Yas, you could have drawn an entire volume of hot Seneca porn (especially after all that cockteasing) and yet you chose to draw The Origin instead, I'll never forgive you for this vile crime.

>>23309500
But Bigro and Challia Bull and Sayla character work with being fearful of meeting her brother in space and Hayato’s inferiority complex and more lalah

>>23309478
Yeah its weird. Most times Mquve appears in Gundam media its his show form that is obsessed with the vase.

So while the movies are a refined version that is more in line with Tominos vision it seems like most references in stuff outside them like games and what not, like to use the show. Which is what always gets me confused

>>23309500
I disagree, EiS has good animation but it's nothing special soundtrack wise. It does not have Char and Lalah's insert songs.

>>23309935
char ga kuru is a little goofy and i could see why they would leave that out, but i cannot forgive them subbing out ima wa oyasumi, literally one of the best songs in the franchise and they use it once in an episode 99.9% of you fags skip because the animation is prettier in the movie

>>23309935
EiS has 2 excellent songs but they don’t fit the scenes they are used. Overall the series soundtrack is better and more appropriate I just listen to those inoue songs separately

>>23309345
eh i barely remember them point is movies are disappointing

Hijacking this thread, I'm halfway through the original series, can I skip Z Gundam and go straight to CCA?

>>23310194
No, you can skip ZZ but not Zeta.

>>23310206
Is ZZ worth watching?

>>23310212
Ehhh not really. Some of the character and mech designs are nice but… just look up pictures.

>>23310212
If you intend to continue past cca yes. It's part slog, part ok, worth it for Haman, Plu and Kamille.

>>23310194
As someone who recently went ahead and watched Z and ZZ I recommend you don't skip either of them. Z is an excellent show, and it feels amazing to go from MSG to the first episode of Z. Genuinely a fantastic anime experience, there's only a few issues with it IMO (mainly just one character being obnoxiously written) but it's amazing.

ZZ shouldn't be skipped. Some people like to say to skip it and go straight to CCA, but doing so leaves a fuckton of plot threads hanging from the end of Z. More importantly, ZZ genuinely has some amazing fights and good scenes, and it does well to reinforce both the themes of Z and CCA. Its major flaw is that the first 16 or so episodes can be a slog: it has more of a comedic tone at the start and people find it jarring and unbecoming for the series, and in particular the antics of a few characters can be grating.
Past those episodes (really, right after the Moon Moon arc) the show picks up and is decently solid, and the final quarter of the series is genuinely excellent. You'd be doing yourself a massive disservice by not watching ZZ.

The people who are telling you to skip it mean well, but I heavily disagree. Of course, if you get halfway through and drop it that's your prerogative, but personally I do recommend finishing it especially since the last few episodes are a tremendous payoff to both Z and ZZ. Trust me, you won't regret it and you won't have the lingering feeling of being a "poser" for skipping one of the original UC series.

>>23310194
Watch the Z movies and just remember they retconned the ending because it was too depressing. Then watch the last episode or two to correct your knowledge and move on to CCA if thats your stopping point

Why is everyone in such a rush to skip to CCA? to see the Sazabi on screen for 5 minutes? Trust me, it’s not the movie you think it’s going to be.

>>23310583
people want to be gundam fans by watching as little of it as possible.

>>23309500
Movie 1 is fine, but that's mostly a function of that first portion of the show having a very tight narrative. That first third from White Base fleeing Side 7 > reaching Earth > escaping Garma Movie has a fairly narrow focus and the events flow from one to the next very closely which I think it translates from episodic storytelling to long-form very well (with 'Coming Home', and the first Ramba Ral attack, working as a nice coda to lead into the next movie)
'Soldiers of Sorrow' suffers a lot from the middle third of the series covering such a wide range of stuff which isn't nearly as linearly connected; Ramba Ral's pursuit, Odessa, Dublin, then finally Jaburo are all fairly discrete storylines, while the overarching narratives haven't been properly introduced by that point in the TV series to properly knit them together (Dublin in particular stands out there, since the other 3 can at least use Matilda as a loose through-line). It has a good go at covering up the joins, but it really does feel the most like a *compilation* movie, rather than just a movie
I fucking love 'Encounters in Space' though. Similar thing to the first movie of it covering a much more linear portion of the series, but with the added bonus of all the overarching narrative threads like Newtypes and Char/Sayla being properly established by that point in the story so it can really just get its teeth into it. All the awkwardness of the previous two movies really does pay off in the third

>>23310651
>Dublin
>Dublin
Fucking Belfast, not Dublin. Wrong Ireland

>>23308139 (OP)
>I'm a lazy faggot who can't be arsed to watch something I want to get into

How about fuck off

>>23310241

>ZZ shouldn't be skipped. Some people like to say to skip it and go straight to CCA, but doing so leaves a fuckton of plot threads hanging from the end of Z. More importantly, ZZ genuinely has some amazing fights and good scenes, and it does well to reinforce both the themes of Z and CCA. Its major flaw is that the first 16 or so episodes can be a slog: it has more of a comedic tone at the start and people find it jarring and unbecoming for the series, and in particular the antics of a few characters can be grating.
>Past those episodes (really, right after the Moon Moon arc) the show picks up and is decently solid, and the final quarter of the series is genuinely excellent. You'd be doing yourself a massive disservice by not watching ZZ.

Save for Haman being mentioned, Moussa missing in CCA really required watching ZZ before CCA.

>>23310241
>>23310701
It’s not that I think ZZ should be skipped. If you’re a Gundam fan, why wouldn’t you want to see as much of it as you can? But objectively it doesn’t have much impact. Haman becomes ruler of the Earth Sphere but doesn’t do anything of note. ZZ doesn’t really set the stage for CCA any better than Zeta.

>>23310701
I'll be real with you here, Z and ZZ are barely relevant at all to CCA. There's throwaway references to the First Neo Zeon War, but they don't impact the story of CCA at all. They're as relevant as any of the little bits of flavour about the setting's recent history from the original show, like the passing references characters make to the Battle of Loum, or the Antarctic Treaty. Your understanding of what's going on in CCA would not be affected by having never seen Z or ZZ. It's more of a sequel to the 3rd MSG movie than anything else. Char picks up the rhetoric from where he left off at A Baoa Qu and he's still dreaming about Lalah, Amuro and Bright are settled in the EFF like the whole Titans thing never happened, Cameron doing them a favour is a notable story beat, while Mirai becomes the POV character down on Earth. Hell, Char's even back at it with the briefcases full of gold bars! The most notable discontinuity from that perspective is Sayla's conspicuous absence, which obviously isn't helped much by Z or ZZ anyway
But obviously, you shouldn't just be watching Z and ZZ out of some autistic checklisting urge, or to do 'homework' for later Gundam entries, in the first place. You should give them a go because they're pretty good shows in their own right and worth watching on their own merits. They're a good time, not an obligation

>>23310721
I think you probably could go from 79 to CCA, but Char's character does follow his stint as 4 Vaginas much more than him as Young Man hunting down Zabis

honestly any of it can be consumed on its own, watch the one you want first eventually youll want to see the others

>>23309338
What the hell are you talking about?! Amuro’s mom is in the movies… Salt episode and Zakrello aren’t

The movies are better but keep in mind they didnt touched up the tv footage much so there's a mix of fancy on model nicely shaded frames cut to flat colored SWOLE GOUF

>>23310716
There's missing characters and plot threads beyond just Haman, like Kamille or Yazan. Moreover, I'd say ZZ really hammers home CCA's themes: the series (especially at the end) is basically a parallel to it.
Besides that, why would we encourage someone to not watch a good show? Haman is awesome as are various fights and mobile suits in the show, and the character drama actually gets pretty good. Not to mention some utterly iconic scenes.
>>23310721
>>23310701
Sure, maybe someone could go into CCA without watching ZZ, but those little bits of reference are nice to have and ZZ certainly reduces the amount of plot threads left hanging (CCA is already a movie that jumps right into the action).
And I'd argue Z is absolutely essential for understanding Char and Amuro's motivations. Z hammers home the Federation's corruption, the attempts by both Amuro and Char to solve things, their personal shortcomings, and frankly Kamille's entire story is the reason we can point to for Char becoming so utterly despondent towards humanity. If anything it's harder to go from the original series straight to CCA: you NEVER see Sayla again or get context to why the others are missing, you get no context as to why Char does a 180 from being tense but cooperative with Amuro at the end of MSG after their fight to them immediately fighting on sight in CCA.

I'd say that skipping Z and ZZ does the average viewer a tremendous disservice in terms of context, character understanding, and just missing out on beautiful animation. It's why so many people make threads on "why did char decide to become a nutjob" here: they haven't watched Z and don't understand his arc.

>>23310721

What >>23311042 said; Z shows Char's attempt at, effectively, going straight; he's a charismatic rebel leader, mentors a young pilot, and helps fight a pretty unquestionable evil, only for it to result in death, his protégé being horribly traumatized, and the Federation not being overthrown or reformed, but put in the perfect position for Axis to take advantage and invade.

All of that feeds into Char becoming the nihilistic extremist we see in CCA.

>for someone new
die
die
die quickly

>>23310721
A lot of people did this in real life. I remember reading from the CCA fanbook interview that Mamoru Oshii basically watched MSG + CCA and skipped Z and ZZ.

>>23311599
wrong.
>Interviewer: First things first, do you even like Gundam?
>Oshii: I watched 0079, Zeta and ZZ. The stuff after that, I watched occasionally -there’s G Gundam and Wing etc- but I’m not interested in the mechs called Gundam themselves.

>>23308139 (OP)
Newfag who was just in your position. Don't go into 0079 with the intent of rushing through or as an obligation. You'll end up ruining the experience for yourself. Take your time, enjoy it. In every regard except animation they still hold up very very well. I started it as an obligation but realized very quickly I'd be ruining my experience if I only watched to check a box, it's a very enjoyable show. Trying to rush through the original Gundam shows to get to a more modern one is like rushing EP4-6 of Star Wars so you can watch the Mandalorian.

The series has the G-Fighter, ergo it is superior.

>>23310801
I never said salt or Zak were in it? But I also don't remember his mom showing up like in the show with the refugee camp. That said, it's been a long time since I watched the movies.