Thread 23308327

Love this shot, dangerous as fuck
>W-where is he
>Teleport behind you
>OVER
I would shit my pant too

>>23308345
I thought he was going to jump, but then I remembered this wasn't Showa.

>>23308379
Any era can be Showa if you just believe hard enough

>>23308379
The fact that they got Nawata up there at all is surprising. Wonder how much it cost for all the safety compliance measures just to get that one shot

Pretty good episode (and two parter) in general, but it feels a little late to be in the final quarter with no final boss development in sight. The inter-arc development is quite nice as well for both Hanto and Lakia, with Hanto abandoning his revenge because he doesn't want another kid to experience the same thing he did, while prepping Lakia for his own development in the next arc with the little talk he had with Shouma.

Directing wise there's some great shots as well, even something as small as the scene transition between Lakia + Shouma vs Jeebh into Hanto facing down the granute.

>>23308425
>no final boss development in sight
It's obvious Lango is coming back. Missing an eye, probably.
They still need to resolve that weird moment with him and Sachiko that happened in episode 11 also.
Trust the plan

>>23308425
>but it feels a little late to be in the final quarter with no final boss development in sight
Gavv as a whole has consistently been more concerned with the emotional/character beats more-so than any actual ongoing plot.

Even in-universe there's no *real* over-arching objective. The three Riders are just fighting the good fight against bad Granutes that pop up. The prospect of invading the Granute world to topple Stomach properly is a bit out of the question with how outgunned they are

>>23308430
>They still need to resolve that weird moment with him and Sachiko that happened in episode 11 also.
Are you still going on about this, you fucking schizo?

>>23308443
It happened like halfway through that episode though.
They have to do something with that.

>>23308437
Nice cope but Stomach Inc.'s activities are illegal in the Granute World, the whole Granute race isn't going to be hunting the Riders down for taking a criminal cartel down. The objective is to take the cartel down so they can stop killing people and ruining Granutes' lives, and to do that they just need to kill the ones running it.

>>23308445
You're a retard.

>>23308447
Are you really gonna make me make a webm of it?

>>23308437
Its not necessarily a bad thing. I caught up to Gavv on a 10 hours flight (basically the whole first cour) and my thought on it was that the episodic writing was very 90s/early 2000 Sentai-like. The day to day arcs are character focused, but the status quo shifts and character development are done gradually over the course of the show rather than characters being static with the "big character growth" arc coinciding with the mandatory upgrades, which is something Rider has gotten a bit stale at because of how many upgrades there are.

My main concern is that even with that structure, you still need to develop the villain group to an extent to have a satisfying finale, or you end up a bit like Double. The final two arcs were fantastic development capstone for both Phillip and Shotaro (and even Terui before that with both the Accel arc and the Old arc), but Museum as a whole fell flat as villain, and Foundation X never took off as a cross series super group Double kind of built it up to be. Stomach right now has even less to work with than Museum, and the remaining key players (Bocca, Nyelv, maybe Zombie Suga) are still in Q2-level of villain progression. Though it doesn't really help that Q2 is basically spent entirely on Suga and Hanto's arc

>>23308449
You're a retard, anons already explained the scene to you, but you insist on being a retard.

>>23308453
I don't think that was me because I've never even seen people discussing it and I had to prove it happened to my friends who completely forgot about it recently too

>>23308454
Kys, shitposting faggot.

Will Hanto learn that Kenji is ded?

>>23308450
>with the "big character growth" arc coinciding with the mandatory upgrades, which is something Rider has gotten a bit stale at because of how many upgrades there are.
Doesn't that just mean the characters, or the MC at least, have constant major growth? Which is a good thing, compared to someone as static and repetitive as Shouma and his character arc.

>>23308458
Okay
>>23308459
I think him going missing will tip him off and it will be a reason for Lakia and him to fight Glotta and have more development, maybe Hanto will convince him that revenge isn't always worth it and we might get a sob story from her. Who knows.

What are your debut impressions on Bakibaki Sticks?

>>23308466
Kind of reminds me of Ryuki.
I like it. Not my favorite suit, but I like it.
Gavv has just had really solid suits so far - the monsters and stomach inc family especially are fantastic.
I kind of wish they had different a sword for it, or even the chip ones repurposed a bit. Dual wielding them like Gaim could have been cool too, but what they chose isn't awful either

>>23308466
Best-looking Bitter Gavv form. As for the debut, what was the point of upgrading Jiip with a Rider form if he's still going to lose like a bitch.

>>23308327 (OP)
That ending was pure early Heisei, holy shit. I hate it but also love it, very ballsy

What do you personally want to say towards the Wolf Granute storyline?

so he made rocks back then.

>>23308493
I liked it. Not much else to be said

>>23308493
Wish Hanto had gotten more focus in the first half and that the conclusion had been a tad bit more emotional, especially since this is probably the last big development Hanto's character arc is gonna get.

Under other circumstances I would commend the show for having the balls to kill a redeemed monster, but here it feels more like an excuse to punish the Wolf Granute for having done evil acts at some point in his life without making Hanto look bad. I know it's also to reveal Glotta was indeed Comel's murderer, but the way that storyline has been handled isn't very good and Glotta's such a wasted character I don't really care about her or what she does. It also makes Hanto's big decision at the end feel pointless because Kenji was still taken away from the kid and the sweets shop will also be screwed as well if they don't address this matter later on.

It's a good episode, idc what anyone says

>>23308327 (OP)
>>23308345
TOH!!

Anyway, are they using a drone or gopro to do this scene?

>>23308446
>the whole Granute race isn't going to be hunting the Riders down for taking a criminal cartel down
Their president controls Stomach and he can do whatever he feels like with the army and probably with the whole population.

>>23308493
I liked the way it got resolved. It's not "if you kill him, you'll be like him" but "if you kill him, you'll make people suffer as much as you". And I liked that Shouma and GODDESSChika didn't nag Hanto with moralfag bullshit be he was his right to take vengeance.

>>23308450
The only character in the villain group that get development is Jeebh but he'd kind of suck as a final boss. It's like the writer forgot he only has got 50 chapters.

>>23308345
I know it's done to save budget but the occasional use of jump cuts to portray the super speed has been unexpectedly cool.

>>23308637
>he
Komura is a woman and also, she sucks dick

>>23308620
It'd be very easy to frame the Riders as human weapons meant to exterminate Granutes.

>>23308670
>she sucks dick
Yeah, women like to do that

Normally I'd be annoyed that Jeebh didn't die but I want him to suffer more. I just want more and more terrible things happen to him.

so what was the deal with glotta's headache in the end

>Hanto: " I feel like I forgot something."
>Shouma: "If you forgot, then it wasn't important."
>Hanto: "Yeah, you're right."
>...

>>23308327 (OP)
They should have given the episode to Kami. Hanto would have been a bloodymess of tears from his bullying.

>>23308345
Can you imagine the terror he'd be feeling wearing a final form suit that high up?

>given a Rider form
>still job like a bitch
lol jeep sucks

>>23308466
I guess it looking like it does is supposed to represent how broken and unhinged Jeebh is, but most of the fight was just him flailing around and not being very effective aside from making Lakia job. Tearing off some of the fries and nailing Shoma to a wall was a neat move and reminded me of when that happened to Kuuga, albeit less violent.

>>23308620
Their president doesn't have the power to make the cartel legal, still keeps his ties to it a secret as far as we know and has detractors he feels the need to convince, so no, he can't do everything he wants and would probably get shunned by the public if his criminal activities came to light.

>>23308828
Look at those evil Kamen Riders and how they ganged up and assaulted innocent Magen-san.

>>23308839
We both know this is going to end with Bocca getting screwed over and killed anyways, so cooking up imaginary scenarios to pretend the heroes won't end up taking down Stomach Inc. in order to justify the poor plot progression is pointless.

>>23308839
Proving that was Magen would involve outing the shady experiments they're doing at the cartel, and most Granutes aren't aware that the human world even exists, so what is it and what was he doing there? All stuff that is more convenient for the villains to keep a secret.

This motherfucker is all talk, because if this was true then Dente would have been dead already.

>>23308327 (OP)
I liked the drama between the wolf and Hanto, but Glotta killing him invalidates the entire reason why letting him live was so hard for him to do. To let someone who took away his happiness get away with it because it meant someone else was happy because of him. But now that Glotta killed him, the lesson is muddled. Its like "dont get revenge because someone else will kill them eventually" which is retarded. Hanto doesn't dirty his hands but someone else finished him off. Thats fucking stupid and kinda invalidates the whole story, I would have easily cut that from the episode entirely.
Also, while I do think Jeebh is the better of the Stomachs, his schizo adventures have less weight when I can't describe him as a character outside of his obsession with his twin. And he's such a weakling that he might as well have died this episode, he's just a dead man walking by this point.
>>23308345
Tom Cruise aint got shit on this

>>23308957
From the back it looks like he peed his pants.

Jeebh the BITCH

>>23308957
>the lesson is muddled. Its like "dont get revenge because someone else will kill them eventually" which is retarded
I think you're taking the idea too literally

If someone fucked with you in real life and you decided to not to pursue them out of revenge, it's not like that person is going to live a scot-free life. Even if Lago made amends in some way, his past was going to catch up to him eventually. It would be like if a human trafficker felt bad about it and turned their life around. It doesn't matter if they reformed, they made a lot of enemies that'll want them dead

I think the idea is less "Don't get revenge" and it's more "Don't ruin your life over someone who ruined theirs". In real life if you made peace with someone who hurt you, whatever happens to them after that isn't really going to be in your mind anymore

>>23309020
>"Don't ruin your life over someone who ruined theirs"
But Hanto wasn't going to ruin his own life by killing the dude, he spared him to not ruin the family's life. But the family still lost him right afterwards, making Hanto's decision to spare his life feel pointless.

>>23309038
hanto doesn't know glotta went in the middle of the night to kill the granute. until he finds that out, if he ever does, he can live happily knowing what he did during the day.

>>23309045
Hanto doesn't know, but the audience, the ones who are supposed to be getting some sort of message out of this, do know that his decision to protect the family ended up being pointless. Hell, him not finding out would make it even worse, since he's a hero making sacrifices to protect others.

>>23309045
He'll probably find out and Glotta is probably the one who killed Lakia's brother too.
Lakia might even get a power up but I doubt it

Shouma really had absolutely no reservations about ending his brother's life with a nut punch.

>>23308726
Lizel...

>>23309045
>if he ever does

>>23309053
I mean why would us knowing he was killed matter to the message? The important part is that Hanto didn't do it because he didn't want to inflict the same pain on someone else. It also ties back in Shouma whole line to Granutes giving them a chance if they stop with Dark Treats. Glotta killing doesn't take away from his decision.

>>23309546
>I mean why would us knowing he was killed matter to the message?
Are you genuinely retarded?
>The important part is that Hanto didn't do it because he didn't want to inflict the same pain on someone else
>Glotta killing doesn't take away from his decision
It takes away from the message because they're showing us that his personal sacrifice was for naught, the dude he just spared got offed anyways and the family he did this for still got fucked over right after, it feels mean-spirited. Hanto didn't even really forgive the man, he did this for the sake of the family.

If this is meant to showcase some kind of deserved "karma" thing for the Granute it's also fucked up because the show also claims it's wrong to think Comel deserved to get killed for his actions despite his redemption.

>>23308437
Their goal is still to take down Stomach and both Valen and Lakia had more specific objectives.
Saying they don't want to take down stomach is like saying no toku hero actually wants to take down their villains because they don't raid their base.

>>23308756
Doesn't even deserve clips. I'm more entertained by these threads discussing the character drama

>only Gochizo scenes this episode were with the Vram cups and a physical BakiBaki Sticks prop

Bros... the toys....

>>23309717
How do you grab the collar of a man with a neck that thick? Even Hiiro is lost for words at this challenge.

>>23309325
It's something I've enjoyed about Shoma dealing with his siblings. He's pulling no punches and going for the throat every time.

>>23308506
what was their thought process here

>>23309850
>"He's making a break for it! Get him!"
>"No no, I- I was just picking my nose."
>"He's picking his nose! Get him!"

Crane