Thread 23308769

I've finished 079, the OYW ovas and Z. I want to get to CCA.
The first 5 episodes of ZZ were kinda annoying.
Is necessary/recommend to watch ZZ before? If so, is there a list of specific episodes to avoid or something?

>>23308769 (OP)
Watch it all faggot.

>DUDE I WANT TO SPEEDRUN UC
I hate redditors.

>>23308769 (OP)
You need to leave.

>>23308788
Sorry my autism doesn't let me buid my rg nu and rg sazabi until I watch them.

>>23308769 (OP)
By not watching it at all.

>>23308793
Sounds like a you problem.

>nooooooo you can't dislike things, you MUST sewage all the shit to be a true fan like me
pathetic

>>23308813
Nah nigga, you the one came here trying to pick and choose episodes. Quit being a bitch and commit.

>>23308769 (OP)
Haman is amazing but the show as a whole is trash and mostly inconsequential, you can and should skip it
Anyone who says otherwise is either a contrarian or incapable of critical thinking and has a 'zz it's actually deep and cool (2023)' video essay where his brain should be

>>23308842
Imagine getting filtered by a non-anime.

>>23308842
It’s crazy how people can sit through zetaslop and then get filtered by ZZkino

>>23308842
>Haman is amazing
Stopped reading right there.

>>23308885
Everyday our boy Glemy is proven right each time.

>>23308883
chat is this ragebait?

>>23308793
Plamo is such a normalfag magnet. We need to get that fucking general off the board.

>>23308896
>Plamo
>normalfag
boy are you out of touch with normal people

>Zeta is good
I hate redditors.

If you want to know how is life in Axis and enjoy most of the best mecha designs zeeks ever had to offer, you should really watch ZZ, considering how Axis will be important in the following CCA. But I bet you're some waifufag tourist ZZ girls are good too

>>23308769 (OP)
you're a weak willed little faggot who is looking for someone to give him an excuse so he doesn't have to watch ZZ
either watch it all or don't, make a choice in your life for once

>>23308941
>best mecha designs zeeks ever had to offer
That's a compelling argument, thanks.

>>23308941
Dreissen is so fucking sex.

>>23308893
>chat
Get the fuck off my board faggot

>>23308769 (OP)
you're missing out on the Purus and also on Chara Soon, but that's not the biggest thing
feel free to skip it

>>23308883
Zeta's shitty episodes are like 2 thirds of the way through the series after you already like it, ZZ begins with the annoying dogshit.

>>23308911
No it’s kinda true. Gunpla is pretty mainstream at this point to anyone with a casual interest in anime, I’m talking the AoT, Jujutsu whatever My Hero fans. You can buy them at big box retailers like Target, Barnes and Noble, Walmart and Hobby Lobby, it’s not like in the early 2010s where you had to import or be lucky enough to have a local hobby store that did. Most people building gunpla are completely filtered by the shows aside from G/Wing/IBO.

Going from Zeta to ZZ I appreciated the lighter tone from the first bits, you just have to understand it’s not trying to be Zeta. And all that shit people spout about “disrespecting established characters” is so overblown, Fa was never a good pilot in Zeta and she’s more worried about brain-damaged Kamille than anything else going on in the beginning of ZZ to step up and this is Brights 3rd time around the random-youngster-steals-mobile-suit block, he’s done trying to slap people into shape, he sees the newtype potential and just plays along at this point. People seem to forget how different 0079 and Zeta were and just want ZZ to conform to what they personally want as a sequel to Zeta rather than just appreciating it for what it is.

>>23309360
Chat, is this unc malding?

>>23309375
>>23309594
Thanks I'll consider it
>>23309398
If it's only the begging I think I'll watch like 15-20 episodes more

>>23309678
Watch until the Earth arc gets going at least. it’s along the best parts of the show and worth it to wrap up Kamille’s story at least. You’ll probably like ZZ enough to finish it after that point.

>>23308769 (OP)
You sit down, watch it, push through early episode, start to gain hope, then experience kino when the OP changes.

The reality is, there's very little reason to actually watch ZZ. It isn't a good show, 40% of it is straight up bullshit but it's sloppy through to the end with characters making retarded decisions and nobody reacting when major characters die. Moreover, it actually introduces plotholes to later entries like Unicorn, so it's better to just not watch it.

Do what the Japanese suggest. 0079, then Zeta, then CCA, then watch 0080/0083/08th MS Team/etc., then finish with Unicorn. You're better off consuming ZZ through any other medium, whether it's SRW or G Gen or just reading a plot summary.

No, seriously, give me one reason it's even worth watching.

>>23309749
Using a crossover video game synopsis to understand the plot of a show is absolutely retarded. Claiming ZZ is the reason for plot holes in Unicorn, a lame fan fiction written decades after the fact, when half of the plot points in Unicorn wouldn’t even exist without ZZ is double retarded.

>>23309594
1. Is Zeta essential viewing before watching ZZ?
2. If so, does it make sense in any way to drastically change the tone for the first 20 episodes before trying to be serious again?

>>23308769 (OP)
CCA is shit not sure why you're in a hurry to watch it

>>23309762
>Using a crossover video game synopsis to understand the plot of a show is absolutely retarded.
No, ZZ is absolutely retarded. Its story is better in literally any other format than a four-cour not-anime.
Unicorn is actually good, so ZZ dragging it down is a point against ZZ, not Unicorn.

>>23309766
>Unicorn is actually good
oh nononononoooo

>>23309768
>he's going to write off Unicorn for some singular retarded reason
>but a slapstick-ridden mess of an anime with unlikable supporting characters, a main antagonist with no motivation, that had to be hastily rewritten because Tomino himself wanted to just make CCA instead, gets a pass
Lol

>>23309763
1. Yes, it is a direct sequel
2. Yes, it’s a completely new cast of characters and setting, it makes sense to have some levity to break things up after how the last 20 episodes of Zeta went.

>>23309775
So by all accounts, Zeta and ZZ are one continuous story. You can't watch ZZ without watching Zeta.
So it makes sense to have a serious story for 50 episodes, then 20 episodes of slapstick and ICE CREAM DAISUKI, then try to resume a serious story? Does that genuinely make any sense to you?

>>23309774
>>23309766
How about you name one reason Unicorn slop is actually worth watching, what does it bring to the table besides a tired Char clone, rehashed plot points, powerlevel bullshit and “I recognize that!” cameos of mobile suit designs from the Tomino shows and 80s MSV?

>>23309786
Everything you said applies to CCA

>>23309782
The ice cream shit was one scene from one episode, you retards just can’t let it go. The new cast of the show is unserious from the start, they mature over time as the scenario becomes more serious, it takes some time. It’s not like a light switch goes off and changes tone halfway through, it’s a natural progression. I’m convinced you haven’t actually watched ZZ and just want to stop other anons from doing so for some deranged reason.

>>23309786
Quality animation, understandable characters with clear motivations, a comprehensible plot that doesn't veer drastically into silly bullshit at random.
>besides a tired Char clone, rehashed plot points, powerlevel bullshit and “I recognize that!” cameos of mobile suit designs from the Tomino shows and 80s MSV?
You say this like it was an accident on their part. Unicorn is a gigantic homage/sendoff to all the Universal Century works before it. In case you were ever not sure, that's the reason it's called Gundam UC.

>>23309791
Char is Char, not a clone. CCA doesn’t features many varieties of mobile suits but the ones it does have are completely new designs. I’ll give you the fact that they it’s like the 3rd time Zeon has tried to drop shit on the earth.

>>23309796
>I’m convinced you haven’t actually watched ZZ
It's always this with you people. Get a new defense other than "you haven't watched it!"
>It’s not like a light switch goes off and changes tone halfway through
That's actually almost exactly what happens. Once the opening changes to Silent Voice, suddenly the series where people chase chickens and throw fruit at each other and sell out their friends to the enemy as a prank becomes a very serious work.

>>23308769 (OP)
You need to watch it all, it's missed opportunities the show with a few great ideas. The slapstick tones down but never truly goes away. Haman's end mirror's Chars the plu set up is important and she is best girl, just push through it.

>>23309814
>Haman's end mirror's Chars
In the sense that it's the exact opposite?

>>23308769 (OP)
>Is necessary/recommend to watch ZZ before?

Yes, it is the second half of Zeta.

I'm sick of this faggot discussion

Mobile Suit Gundam Movie Trilogy Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam Movie Trilogy Char's Counterattack Mobile Suit Gundam Unicorn (7 OVA episodes)

At first glance, it might seem like a ton of content, but it’s 7 movies and 7 OVAs, totaling 1,339 minutes. In terms of 30-minute anime episodes, that’s roughly equivalent to 54 episodes, or about a year’s worth of content. However, since it covers four distinct works and the story progresses like a rollercoaster, it’ll likely feel shorter than watching four cours (seasons) of a regular anime. Plus, if you watch all of these, you’ll be able to confidently discuss the Universal Century and Newtypes. If other Gundam works come up in conversation, you can just say, “Oh, I’ve only seen the Universal Century stuff,” and people will generally accept that. As for ZZ, don’t worry—most people haven’t actually watched the full series and only know it through Super Robot Wars or G Generation games, so you’re in good company.

>>23309822
>Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam Movie Trilogy
I only watched the series, it's the movie trilogy any good?

>>23309817
In the sense that almost the same. They both give up towards the end in favour of putting themselves in a final fight, one which they purposely give their enemy the advantage and lose.

>>23309825
It's inferior to the series but if the goal is just to watch CCA (as OP wants), it's perfectly fine.

>>23309825
I enjoyed the new fight animations especially in the third movie, most people concider the animation switch jarring though and they're correct. Also Sicc "goes back to were the women are". Weird final fuck you from Kamille.

>>23309828
Ah okay, I was focused specifically on their mentality in the last moments. Haman and Judau can't understand each other, but rather than harshly rejecting her like Kamille and Char did when they couldn't, Judau keeps reaching out his hand to her, and she dies with no regrets, knowing that there ARE strong, decent people out there. Whereas Char and Amuro's last moments were them not understanding each other, and choosing to reject one another.

>>23309839
I agree but would slightly amend that Haman did understand but simply through sunk cost fallacy refused to change at that point and allowed herself to die. She could've survived easy.

>>23308769 (OP)
>another person filtered
>another redditor asking "what's everything I can skip!!!!?!?!?!?!?! How fast can I binge everything?!?!?!?!? Can I skip this?!?!?! Skipped?!?!?! Is there a link to a guide on what to skip?!?!?!"

>>23309749
If you're not just trolling, It's Unicorn's own fault that it has any plot holes. ZZ existed first and for years, so Unicorn's writers should have actually made sure they were writing something cohesive with the prior shows.

>>23309749
>then finish with Unicorn
Next you’ll tell me to watch Narrative.

>>23309791
You are close to enlightenment now.

>>23311219
CCA actively ignores the events of both seasons of Zeta.

>>23311219
If two works don't mesh, why should the shitty one win over the good one? ZZ isn't pleasant to watch and watching it actively worsens one of the better UC works.

>>23313517
What does it ignore exactly?

>>23313634
Pic related.
Also the destruction of Neo Zeon at the end of Zeta.

>>23313641
So because a character known to be full of shit and a hypocrite said something CCA ignores everything

>>23313641
>Also the destruction of Neo Zeon at the end of Zeta.
Zeta was Haman's Axis Zeon. Neo Zeon is when Axis Zeon link up with the Zeon remnants on Earth in ZZ. Either way, it's something telling that Char's Neo Zeon is a separate group from Haman's Neo Zeon, they don't share any of the same ships or weapons. None of the survivors from the previous Neo Zeon are in Char's Neo Zeon. Char's home base also happens to be Sweetwater, which used to be allied with the AEUG.

>>23313655
>Char's home base also happens to be Sweetwater, which used to be allied with the AEUG.
Says who? When?

>>23313663
Sweetwater is the name of the colony that Char's Neo Zeon forces dock at and stay when they aren't going out on mission. You know, where they had the scene with the train passengers singing what amounts to a Neo Zeon glory anthem

>>23308842
>Haman is amazing
Haman sama!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>23313641
Haman's Neo Zeon was built up of people who declared loyalty to the Zabi family while Char's was about using him his identity as Zeon Zum Deikun's son. They're two completely separate, distinct groups with different ideology and goals.

>>23308769 (OP)
You watch Dragonar instead

>>23308769 (OP)
>Is necessary/recommend to watch ZZ before?
Want to know what happens to haman?
>If so, is there a list of specific episodes to avoid or something?
Shut the fuck up nigger

>>23309766
You can dislike ZZ but dont act like Unicorn is better.

>>23309828
Char just evened the playing, he still has the mecha with better technical specifications. It's not Amuros fault he was better at using the psychoframe and a miracle occurred.

>>23313758
They are supposed to be that but in the end a lot of Zeon no matter what the group just want revenge for losing. It's why Char wants to end the federation so the people with grudges will finally stop.

>>23308941
this
even at its derp-est it's got a LOT of great universal century background shit and some cool robots

>>23309786
Look Unicorn is too self referential to be great, I agree, but at the very least it has some good action and presentation. More importantly ZZ is just faggot loli shit that desperately tries to redeem itself by nostalgia baiting too. The entire Dublin Arc is nonsensical and exists to try and recapture the audience by retreading old gundam plot lines.
>>23309796
Except with the exception of Judeau, who I actually do like, the cast is extremely static. None of the street rat kids mature to the extent of the kids on white base from ‘79. It’s a good concept they don’t expand nearly enough on, and that’s why you have beecha and mondo pissing off fans.

>>23314273
>The entire Dublin Arc is nonsensical
What is nonsensical about it?

>>23314279
There’s an entire colony drop AGAIN for the sake of crushing a single city. Why does this not have insane ramifications? 79’ only ever showed the drop, but Zeta treats them as weapons of mass destruction that significantly alter the world. Yet here, it’s essentially a monster of the week. I’ll even concede that the battle surrounding it is interesting and stylistically some of the best the show has to offer, but it makes little sense as a plot point. Haman doing something like this is comically evil when the character is normally written to be a pragmatic genius. Additionally, the federation continues to lay down and let this shit happen until the very end of the story, which you can argue is a part of the themes, but ultimately very hard to believe in the face of this literal world ending disaster. As a result, it ironically feels like it trivializes colony drops as a narrative device. This was shitty and retarded when ‘83 did it too.

The colony drop in zz was done for the sake of writing in something jarring and hardcore to appease fans who wanted a more serious story. It’s inclusion was clearly not planned beyond the preceding few episodes, and it makes both the characters and the world feel inconsistent, even if I liked the presentation of the scene itself.

>>23314291
>but ultimately very hard to believe in the face of this literal world ending disaster
The EF top wants to reduce the population on Earth but not lose face for it. Haman's colony drop gives them what they want and someone else to blame for it. What's so hard to believe?

>>23314320
Because Haman was not previously portrayed as a genocidal maniac and it happens very suddenly when such an event normally would be presented with a lot of buildup and planning as colony drops can literally destroy the planet. Also the politics of the EF get very little focus compared to random Mobile suit encounters of little importance, so any ideas the show has about the EF cooperating with zeon are very underbaked and not compelling.

I'm watching the rest of ZZ after being stuck on episode 10 for so long. It does get serious and better, and I appreciate the lighter tone of ZZ is there to counter the endless tragedy porn that came out of Zeta. And then it hits harder when things do get serious again because it hammers home the overarching UC theme of "war fucking sucks" even harder.

>>23314450
I liked when the wacky characters had to be made into cyber newtypes to signal 'now it's REALLY serious!'

>>23309977
Why is Lalah there? I don't remember that

>>23314450
Like halfway through it changes tone back to something more like zeta. It was absolute suffering to get to that point, but it only starts to improve from that point. Pretty sure they reached that stage of development and realized "oh shit, we need to transition this slapstick idiot comedy series into the CCA movie we're making." Still plenty of stupid moments.

>>23314458
Lalah is in ZZ but not in that image

ZZbros, please understand that you can like the show while hating all the silly and sloppy bullshit in it. To this day, I have no idea how Rasara actually died.

>>23308842
I just KNOW you dropped it after 3 episodes and pretend you watched the whole thing. You sound like every other retarded faggot who shares the same hivemind opinion on ZZ.

>>23309583
>or be lucky enough to have a local hobby store that did.
Or you could just not live in the middle of nowhere. My city has had 3 different hobby stores since the 80s. All of them carry paint and supplies but only 1 of them specializes in anime/Japanese stuff. And the other is mostly for realshit like trains/military but its also a clubhouse with an spray booth and they let me paint my stuff there when nobody is using it.

>>23309749
I always knew people who hate ZZ are the same retards who defend Unicorn

>>23314506
Next he’s gonna tell me I never watched ZZ

>>23314494
I watched all of it blind and agreed with him. I’m not even a zeta fan I just find the show incredibly obnoxious. There’s comedy in 0079 that comes off far better. ZZ feels sloppy and generic, and needs lolibait to keep fucking losers interested. Literal on par with victory

>>23309749
>Moreover, it actually introduces plotholes to later entries like Unicorn, so it's better to just not watch it.
>the THIRD entry of Gundam creates plotholes to something that was made 24 years later
>and not the people behind it because they can't be arsed to make sure it is coherent
I don't like ZZ but that's just plain retarded.

>>23314828
You’re missing the point
It isn’t a point against ZZ’s quality, it’s just another reason why skipping it is fine. You watch a lousy show that just makes a better show worse. Why bother?

>>23308896
This truly.

>>23308911
Anon it's all trannies, do you know how normalised trannies are now.

>>23308769 (OP)
I'll let you in on a little secret anon. You don't need to watch ZZ to watch CCA, hell you didn't even need to watch Zeta. CCA is a sequel to 0079, that is all you need watch. There are like three lines of dialogue in the movie referencing Zeta and ZZ.

>>23315046
To actually understand Char, you need Zeta and ZZ. This meme that CCA is just a sequel to 0079 is why niggers keep thinking he just a egotistical Lalah obsessed cuck, and why we keep getting shit like the end of Unicorn, Narrative and fucking Gquuuuuux.

>>23314974
Unicorn is absolutely not a better show, I'd advocate for skipping that shit over ZZ any day. At least ZZ's protagonist is bearable.

>>23315277
If anything you get misled due to the non-Tomino scripts writers in the 2nd half of Zeta adding bullshit, which is what leads people to thinking he must have had tons of off-screen development after Zeta. But based on Tomino's notes, he was just directionless during Zeta, lacking a plan, but everything else that makes him CCA Char was already there.

>He believes that humanity is doomed to go extinct with a legacy of folly unless the entire population manages to achieve the kind of Newtype awakening.

>“Though this may be idealistic thinking, our current era demands that we find a way to blow everything up once.”

>At the same time, he also acknowledges the Earth Federation’s stance.

>“Our population has been cut down. There is no need for people to live in space. We live in a New Earth Era.“

>“Now we can’t just forgive the short-lived memory of the people who did nothing more than leech off of the people who lost their lives in the One Year War, can we…“

>As a character, Char can be described as being laughably stubborn about his goals. At the same time, Char has begun to notice that his Newtype sensitivities are starting to dwindle.

>“Age, huh…Was I only able to do those things because I was still young then…?“

>Char is tempted by the possibility of regaining the powerful, moving sensations of his past if he were to thrust himself into the front lines again.

>“Now while this may be a dangerous habit…I want to believe in my senses as a Newtype. I’d rather not believe that those things I felt were just part of a delusion.“

>Char is aware of the malice these people feel about Newtypes, but he is transfixed on doing a better job of realizing his father’s dreams. Char feels that a more drastic means, such as assassinating all of the key figures in the Earth Federation, is needed to prevent further contamination of the planet.

>I could also try becoming a politician, but by then, it would be too late…

So was Judau just gay or something? If I were him I'd have avoided all the suffering and even given a happy life to Leina and Puru by fucking off to nut balls deep inside Haman every night.

>>23315277
You don’t need ZZ at all, that’s insane. The only relevant motivators to chars character in that shitshow is more of the same demonstration on the retarded incompetence of the EF. Haman’s character basically gets assassinated and her necessity in understanding char is questionable at best. CCA seriously needed a better precursor.

>>23315277
>This meme that CCA is just a sequel to 0079
That's how it was made anon, it was made for the people that ONLY watched the movie trilogy first and foremost because they were the largest audience for Gundam in theatres. Zeta didn't pull the same number of watchers that the movies did. You are grasping at straws with the rest of your rant. Things like that happen with people that grew up with a franchise and want to make their heroes even more powerful, not because they somehow missed what happened in Zeta. lol nothing happened in ZZ about Char other than Sayla appearing in the last episode to say "Uhh Char is probably doing something soon somewhere, be ready for the movie coming soon!"

>>23315423
I mean ZZ explains why the EF has Axis, yeah you can put two and two together on your own but to say nothing relevant happens to CCA is dumb

>>23315290
Shitty bait

>>23315434
What the fuck are you talking about Banagher is shit

>>23315437
Judau is no better and literally nobody on Earth, not even you, actually thinks ZZ is better than Unicorn. That is a fake opinion.

>>23315440
Bait

>>23315426
Nothing relevant happens. There's literally no point and they even have Judau crying about it. Neo Zeon just disappear on their own, Haman rams herself into some debris and Judau leaves so he can't be involved in the movie. Its the most nothing happens series, the writers knew the movie was the most important thing and they bend over backwards to leave no baggage so the movie writers can put Char back in power with no strings attached. The little line Char says during his speech about the Zabis and the Haman is all we need to know.

>>23315443
yeah bro you're right the ef owning axis and selling to char isn't important to cca at all we shoudl just remove axis from cca since how it came into play from zz isn't relevant

>>23315445
I mean, the Federation defeated Zeon in the original series, why can't they own Axis? It's only an issue that needs to be resolved when you add in Zeta.

>>23315442
Oh right that’s why Bandai tried so hard to capitalize on ZZ and not Unicorn
Oh wait……..

>>23308911
It's true, Gwitch made it a mainstream gay pride franchise

>>23315333
>he was just directionless during Zeta, lacking a plan,

He actionally had a plan though, you realize this when he said he doesn't want Zeon pulled into the Gryps war, and he didnt want Zeon afflited openly with the AEUG. This tidbit shines more of a light as to why he hid be hid behind Quattro, Char leading the AEUG out right would only give the Titans' presence justification and make the AEUG look like a Zeon plot. another reason why he said he didn't want Zeon involve is why said they needed time to cool off and forget about the loss if the OYW. This is why you need to watch ZZ. It prove Char absolutely right on this. When he said they needed to cool off he meant he needed the Zabi supporters to die politically other wise you get fuckers like Glemy starting a muntiny and riling them up to gain support. Because this how Haman lost her grip on Zeon. Double ZZ is important to CCA, because with this context in mind from Zeta, it's literally everything Char was working on in Zeta with the AEUG being dismantled and ruined, just like he said it would happen if Zeon were to join the Gryps war. And with that knowledge you have a much between reasoning as to why he came to the decisions he made CCA regrading the psychoframe leak and his why he decided to drop axis on earth. He came to the conclusion that the only way his father's ideas would be accepted is if he took the earth off the table so people would stop fighting over it. He was even shown to be hesitant to go through with it, and the actual reason he gave the Psychoframe to Amuro, and made the the operation an overt military battle and not some surprise asteroid drop, is because he respect them enough to give them the chance to stop him because even though he firmly believes it, he knows this will impacts alit of those he considers friends and people he respects. .

>>23308769 (OP)
With your eyeballs and a computer....???

I can't tell if the threads on /m/ are bait or just retarded anymore

>>23313758
Which is why both of them want to drop things on the Earth.
Totally different goals.

>>23314273
Its been years since I watched ZZ, did Beecha and Mondo ever get punished for trying to betray their friends and the Argama like 3 times and getting Leina kidnapped and whatnot?
Iino and Elle are fine, Judau the goat, Roux is static but a professional soldier so more understandable.

Watch it all to actually see how you feel about it. I love ZZ. CCA movie was honestly a letdown compared to it.

I love ZZ, but CCA being greenlit before ZZ was finished really kneecapped it.
More money is in a movie than a show, so ZZ is stagnant as a result.
If CCA was greenlit after ZZ ended, we may have had Glemy's rebellion make sense, Char show up in ZZ, Amuro as well and Sayla actually mattering, actual plot.

All you need to know about ZZ is that Neo Zeon loses, and the AEUG is wrapped back into EFF with Londo Bell with Bright at the helm.
I like ZZ, I really do, but it feels way more disconnected and self contained than Zeta, despite being a direct sequel to Zeta.

>>23315647
>If CCA was greenlit after ZZ ended, we may have had Glemy's rebellion make sense
Or, rather, Glemy would have remained a minor grunt and you'd get Char's rebellion. Apparently they were never bringing back Amuro though, so that would be odd.

>>23315647
>all you need to know
And that plu is a thing. And that Kamille is ok.

>>23315481
I'm glad someone here actually seems to have digested Zeta and ZZ on some level, because it is really annoying seeing people write off Char as being a directionless loser in Z as well as arguing over skipping an entire show.
Zeta is important not just because it establishes a bunch of other characters and lore (which makes CCA and ZZ more impactful) but also because it directly shows us Char's attempt at following his father's ideal. He genuinely tries to make the Earth sphere better, he sets up an organization that he intends to last beyond him or just one leader (and doesn't feel comfortable leading), he waits until Dakar to shed his false name and even then it's a stunt to raise awareness and to shut down any attempts at labeling the AEUG a Zeonic rebellion.
Even his personality is more subdued and thoughtful: he mentors Kamille and tries to steer him right, he actively tries to engage with Amuro instead of being hateful over Lalah, his own Mobile Suit is a shimmering regal gold instead of the red he used in the original show.

By the end of Z and ZZ, Char sees that everything he did was destroyed. The AEUG is now Londo Bell and acts as a lapdog for the Feds and Amuro has languished as a PTSD riddled loner. Neo Zeon has been destroyed thoroughly, his former friend Haman is dead after going so far astray (and doing ANOTHER colony drop) and dies with only a random kid for company, Glemy's bullshit has relegated Newtypes to being little more than abused weapons that aren't even fighting for true connection. And finally, he had to watch his friends die and his star pupil/son Kamille get utterly destroyed by the war effort, turned from an example of hope to a tragic catatonic mess.

CCA is essentially a last ditch effort mixed with a suicide note.

This ending from the video game helps with understanding but it's annoying how people who want to be fans of Gundam argue over watching as little of it as possible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lV5nwlHeY9Q

>>23315681
If there is one thing we can be thankful for Gquuuuux, that demonstrated for it to be mandatory that gundam fans to watch Zeta and ZZ.

>>23315708
That UC gundam fans watch Zeta and ZZ.
I meant to say. None of that recap movie substitution shit either, full series or bust.

Just finished ZZ. A real bittersweet ending for something that started off so lighthearted - when Judau finally reunited with Leina I cried.

So uhh... where do I watch CCA?

>>23315445
Are you baiting or retarded? It takes less than 5 seconds to explain that Neo Zeon lost to Feds. It is barely relevant beyond an expository sentence. This does not mean you need to watch a 40 episode show. If this is serious I actually struggle to believe people like you exist. How do you function in day-to-day life like this? What do you do?

>>23315633
No. Literally nothing happens to either of them. They cooperate and help out later but it’s pretty lackluster writing that is dwarfed by even the most minor of 79 characters.

>>23315681
See anon I like what you’ve written, it’s a good story and good character development/regression. It’s compelling. The problem is that this is horribly presented in ZZ and that the fan base needs to rely on fucking video game cutscenes to be shown the whole story. I mean sure, an attentive viewer can infer a lot of this, but it’s criminal how little of chars reflection is shown. In CCA there’s not even any indication he thinks about kamille at all, even though the character obviously does.

>>23315801
>"ZZ isn't relevant to CCA at all"
>Someone points out how ZZ is relevant to CCA via a crucial plot element
>"You can just summarize that in 5 seconds, retard"

Not that anon but you're genuinely arguing in bad faith if you think that's an adequate response to someone. You can fucking summarize any of these shows in 10 seconds. You could summarize CCA even. Just because a person can skim a wikipedia article to get the gist of something doesn't mean people shouldn't watch those shows or that they aren't relevant to anything.
ZZ ties up plotholes and threads within Zeta and by extension CCA, as well as adding to the lore and having cool shit in it. This anon >>23315449
is correct in pointing out how CCA could hypothetically spawn from the original series, but Zeta is still tremendously important for watching CCA because it expands on the characters and in particular makes Char have way more depth as an antagonist. Why are you trying to justify skipping shit? There's no arbiter for this either, you're not going to hell for skipping it, just say you don't like ZZ and would rather read a synopsis. Don't pretend as if it's a completely unnecessary show and try to tell others the same, because it isn't.
>>23315708
>>23315714
It was incredibly cool to see some Zeta in Gquuuuux even if it was only for a bit. Wish the show had more episodes though, it's been rushing a ton of stuff and it's a shame because the premise is really cool.

>>23315809
On this I do agree a little, ZZ spends a significant amount of time in the first quarter just with everyone goofing off and getting away with dumb shit, and although the latter half is compelling it could have used the beginning episodes to instead expand on Glemy's plans or on Haman as a character before she went crazy. It's very much a show focused on Haman and the immediate cast and so it requires some reflection to really understand, as well as reading into what Haman and Judau actually say in the show.

This is made worse by CCA since that movie doesn't mention Kamille, Haman, or Judau at all. Of course, with hindsight we know that ZZ and CCA started to overlap in production and that things could have worked out better, but as it stands it leaves us with an admittedly rougher understanding of the series. Even Char's final line changes from mentioning Lalah and baffling Amuro to mentioning Sayla before dying in Beltorchika's Children (and we're not even talking about how Sayla as a character has a seriously diminished role in Z and ZZ, and is virtually absent from CCA, due to the actress having scheduling problems).

I still greatly enjoyed the shows and the movie, and there's a lot to love, but you're right in that it is downright criminal. I dislike remakes personally but I feel like Sunrise could potentially put in the money to fund a "the Origin" style remake of Zeta, ZZ, and CCA to accompany a hypothetical full The Origin show, so that Tomino and the crew could have their opportunity to reshape what was done before into a vision unobstructed by shareholders and not ending up like Zeta's A New Translation.

but that'd be asking for too much and IMO would be creatively bankrupt, since the old shows are still very nice and their animation is as well. It'd be cool but I'd rather get new shit.

>>23315814
There's a reason Deux has surprisingly gained a fanbase from the crumbs of screen time she got. It's because people want more Zeta material, and she and gates were literally the way incorporated into the show. It baffles me so many "gundam fans" talking about this show who claim theyve seen every every gundam show, can't understand this.

>>23315803
Ellie getting with no one would have been superior to Beecha, holy shit.

>>23315824
Correct response.

>>23315827
It's weird yeah, if you dislike the sequel shows then that's your choice but why the obsession with skipping stuff.

Also yeah Deux was cool, seeing Bask and a Hambrabi return was great as well. It's a shame we haven't seen Yazan yet especially since he survived both Z and ZZ and was an absolute beast of a pilot (genuinely think if he became a Newtype he'd be unstoppable).
Hope that they consider giving Gqx a second season or some more material down the line: right now it is very rushed and having Deux immediately get killed(?) sucked.

>>23315814
>crucial plot detail
>you need to watch a 51 episode series just so you understand why the feds have axis
>its really important you understand why!
That's an inconsequential background detail that the movie itself glosses over because of how little it mattered. Char gave the 5 second summary, it may have been shorter than that now that I think of it. You can write paragraphs of text as much as you like but ZZ isn't relevant to CCA at all.

>>23315856
>You can write paragraphs of text as much as you like but ZZ isn't relevant to CCA at all.
But Z is very relevant to CCA's character arcs, and ZZ is very relevant to Z. ZZ also has some small relevancy to CCA even on its own via the Feds owning Axis.
My main point is that these are good shows that add to your understanding and appreciation of the movie. Even if ZZ isn't 100% necessary to CCA I don't think it should be skipped, especially since CCA is already a movie that drops you right into the action and doesn't explain some things.

Anyways, I've been approaching this with paragraphs because as much as I disagree I don't want to be dismissive of your opinion. You're entitled to your own view on ZZ, I explained why I disagree and honestly I get why people would be bummed out by ZZ's initial 15 or so episodes. Just giving my two cents so that the OP can decide for themselves, I mean they've seen 5 episodes so as much as I'd want them to finish it I can't say they haven't given ZZ a shot or dropped it without even trying it.

>>23313641
>literally on stage
>indirectly calls himself an actor
>not so subtle two shadows imagery with a floating gun
how retarded are you?
pic related is the same man few episodes back.

>>23314488
This series of posts explain her death really well. It is basically a foreshadowing for Axis Shock, done on a small scale.
https://desuarchive.org/m/thread/22548777/#q22548788

>>23315872
It wasn’t that anon who wrote my original reply, but
>My main point is that these are good shows that add to your understanding and appreciation of the movie.
When phrased like this I can see where I was being too harsh. I’d still argue ZZ isn’t really at all necessary for understanding the movie, given how much of char’s character changes are placed on the viewer to understand, but I can’t deny that there’s a level of excitement built up from seeing the entire story play out. Regardless, I recall actually being frustrated about how little CCA references prior material when it was hyped up to me as “the conclusion to UC” by many friends and fans. Still, I see your point.

>>23315722
crunchyroll or prime video
netflix with a VPN for other regions catalog

>>23315722
>So uhh... where do I watch CCA?
you get the true VHS fansub experience
https://archive.org/details/Mobile_Suit_Gundam_Chars_Counterattack

>>23316332
Thanks anon.

>>23315905
NTA but not an ounce of that is true
Stampa clearly didn't want to squish 'his woman', that's why he stopped, it wasn't telekinesis. The best the Japanese fandom can speculate is that maybe a fragment of concrete that wasn't illustrated struck her in the head.

>Like watching anime with family
>They fundamentally refuse to watch it in any language besides English
>079 and Zeta have an English Dub
>ZZ doesn't
What do?

>>23308941
I got 2 questions:
>What's that model in the top left?
>Where's the Doven Wolf?

>>23316453
This sounds like you answered your own question.

>>23308769 (OP)
assume Tomino was on painkillers for the first half
the suit, Puru, Haman and Chara are worth it, even the guys become likable after a while
except Glemy, fuck that guy

>>23316519
This is exactly why just getting the story from SRW is preferable

>>23316519
You forgot Roux and Elle.
Strawberry Banana and Blueberry. Delicious delicious.

>>23316519
>even the guys become likable after a while
No

>>23315814
like you've said, watching Zeta adds depth to Char for CCA that you can't get just from a summary of it
watching ZZ adds nothing to CCA that couldn't be done with 10 seconds of summary

>watch 0079 and Zeta back to back
>"nooo you have to skip ZZ"
>"it's irredeemable!"
>"there's nothing worthwhile!"
>start it anyway
>it's actually fun
come on man. can't believe I nearly fell for gundam fans telling me not to watch gundam.

>>23309977
I'll never understand people who claim to be fans of a franchise who are constantly looking for excuses to skip parts of the thing they supposedly like. Especially in Gundam's case where there are a ton of Plebbitors who act like CCA is some kind of ultimate orgasmic end goal to rush towards. It's akin to the retard mentality where they swear Unicorn is a great jumping-on point, as if you'd tell someone that they should learn how to swim by strapping on diver's weights and diving into the deepest part of a pool.

>>23318883
>it's actually fun
Always can tell when someone's opinion isn't worth listening to if they say this about ZZ

>>23319029
Always that same Judau pic too
ZZ’s defense is never organic, I’m convinced every person that champions it is just one guy trolling.

>>23319033
You need to take your meds, man. A show older than you are shouldn't be causing you this much mental damage.

>>23318883
>gundam fans
Americans aren't real fans.

>>23319514
Hit the nail on the head did I?

>>23315827
>There's a reason Deux has surprisingly gained a fanbase
YEAH BECAUSE SHES A FUCKING NAKED LOLI HOW THE HELL DO YOU NOT GET IT RETARD

>>23316457
>What's that model in the top left?
you mean Quin Mantha? How couldn't you recognize the lovechild of Psico MK.II and Qubeley
>Where's the Doven Wolf?
yeah should have been there rather than parading three freaking Capule
Picrel was fine too

>>23319029
Always can tell ZZ haters are too autistically serious enough to enjoy anything and that their opinions are always just pedantic sperging.

>>23308813
I have to or else some faggot will call me a tourist on the internet. Can't have that

>>23316453
technically there _is_ a ZZ dub but it's mostly lost
it ran on Animax a thousand years ago unrelated to the 00s-ish USA dubs
iirc it _was_ on megaupload on its entirety
whoops

now there's a few full episodes, a bit of clips, and the compilation movie
I think I saw there's some fandub floating around now complicating things further?

>>23308769 (OP)
The first 6 episodes aren't directed by Tomino and designed as comic relief since Zeta ended on a depressing note. I think it's a good entry with some peak suit designs and worth the watch. It's not necessary to watch before CCA (or Unicorn), but does help both entires feel more fleshed out.

>>23313655
That's not true, Char's Neo Zeon takes on leftovers from the first Neo Zeon war of both the Haman and Glemy factions, which later regroups into the Sleeves after CCA. You're just talking out of your ass.

>>23308896
No toys, no shows. Such it has been and ever will be.

>>23309583
Bro in the 80's every Toys R Us was packed with walls of reboxed giant robot model kits from Japan. And the Tomino Gundam novels were on the shelves at the chain bookstore in 1990.
It's just cycles, and you are hell of ignorant.

>>23309583
>it’s not like in the early 2010s where you had to import or be lucky enough to have a local hobby store that did. Most people building gunpla are completely filtered by the shows aside from G/Wing/IBO.
Gundam popularity tends to ebb and flow in the states, but you could by Gunpla and MSIA figures at Toys R' Us and Target back in the early 2000s. It's a show designed to model kits and action figures at the end of the day.

>>23314506
I like both.

With the sole exception of what happens to Haman, nothing of consequence is relevant in ZZ. It not having at least two compilation movies is a headscratcher, though, since the overarching Neo Zeon movement is relevant for CCA.

>>23309583
Barnes and Noble and HobbyTown have had Gunpla since like 2012, well after the Toonami rush in like 2000, and have kept them.

>>23321153
Between Robotech and Battletech, how many times has Macross been repackage for the US?
And Dougram or whatever its spelled.

>>23316192
I do agree that CCA should have had more callbacks. As said before, a lot of this is due to management behind the scenes: ZZ was still being made as CCA was worked on, Sayla doesn't even show up and so both Beltorchika and Chan have to be written, etc. In an ideal world, ZZ would have been less of a black sheep, and CCA would have streamlined itself as an ultimate conclusion. As it stands, although there is a connection there and I'd say watching ZZ deepens ones understanding for both Z and by extension CCA, it's a shame that for the average viewer, ZZ's absence isn't felt.

I wish I'd been told about the Haman/Judau thing, didn't know Tomino had it in him.

>>23321615
there's also the early attempt HG had for Macross before Robotech where they tried releasing it on VHS two eps a tape
they were a decade or so ahead of that business model working for the adventures of Rick Yamada and the gang

>>23321592
It's most likely that because it's one of Tomino's more happier Gundam entries, there really isn't a need or demand for a ZZ compilation.

I have now finished CCA and I am also convinced that Axis should be dropped on the Earth - as far as I understand I have now completed the main UC storyline - what do I watch next?

>>23322076
Watch Victory, it’s cool to see how the UC setting changes over the years and it’s a very solid entry overall.

>>23322076
You are free now. You can continue with release order, try AUs, read novels, drop colonies, world is your oyster.

>>23322076
Unicorn if you've already seen 0080, 0083, 08th MS
Then F91 and Victory

>>23322076
watch whatever the fuck you want
go watch Xabungle or Ideon for all we care

>>23322076
Watch everything in production order. It's the only way.

>>23322076
0080 -> 0083 -> 8th MS Team -> F91 -> Turn A.

>>23322076
you should read Moon Gundam

>>23322076
Go ham dude, you're free. After you've seen all of the original UC, you can jump to anything.
Personally, I recommend watching War in the Pocket and 08th MS Team. Both are widely regarded as excellent works. From here you could choose to watch everything in production order as well, see how the Gundam series evolved over time and what trends stuck around. It might be fun!

>>23308769 (OP)
I gotcha bro, don't listen to the gatekeeping chuds in the thread, here's the generally recommended watch order for ZZ, so you can skip all the filler and make the most of your time by watching episodes that have essential info or awesome SAKUGA to watch!

Episode 1
Episode 2
Episode 3
Episode 4
Episode 5
Episode 6
Episode 7
Episode 8
Episode 9
Episode 10
Episode 11
Episode 12
Episode 13
Episode 14
Episode 15
Episode 16
Episode 17
Episode 18
Episode 19
Episode 20
Episode 21
Episode 22
Episode 23
Episode 24
Episode 25
Episode 26
Episode 27
Episode 28
Episode 29
Episode 30
Episode 31
Episode 32
Episode 33
Episode 34
Episode 35
Episode 36
Episode 37
Episode 38
Episode 39
Episode 40
Episode 41
Episode 42
Episode 43
Episode 44
Episode 45
Episode 46
Episode 47

Either watch the show or don't, fucking retard.

>>23322076
I have no idea how no one's mentioned Hathaway. The Hathaway movie (or books) are the next entry. Only the first movie's out, but there are more in the works. They were written by Tomino right after CCA and it's set right after CCA.

>>23326744
hathaway is a continuation but MSG-Z-ZZ-CCA is considered the core UC story involving Char and Amuro. past that point one could include Hathaway and F91 and Victory and Unicorn but then you might as well watch all of UC. as it stands, those original four are a good foundation to branch out from because CCA effectively bookends the first era of Gundam

ZZ earth arc is the best earth arc from any UC gundam

>>23326740
based. ZZ's quality swings around more than Zeta but on the whole is still very enjoyable. Dublin in particular is my favorite sequence across the UC original trilogy.

Just finished Zeta, and watched the ZZ Prologue.
I hate it so far. I already hated Judau's face and color scheme. But then to have him talking about Fa, and piloting the Zeta? And shoulder checking the Argama crew!? I hope he dies a gruesome death. I know Haman apparently crushes on him as well, which makes it even worse. It's like a personalized Hell made explicitly for me.

>>23333105
Don't worry anon, the story of Judau's life, is pretty much fuck around, find out. Early ZZ is fuck around, mid to late ZZ is him finding out.

>>23333105
It only gets worse. And the one time you think Judau may actually have to suffer, don't worry they roll it back later.

>>23333105
I watched Z and ZZ at some point decades ago, but I have near zero memory of them other than vague dislike.
I keep feeling like I should go and rewatch them but my ancestral blood memory warns me not to.

>>23333124
>>23333126
Well these are somewhat conflicting posts lmao. But going into more details would consist of spoilers, so let's just leave it up to the mystery of who's right and who's wrong.
>>23333134
I really enjoyed Zeta. I think it was an upgrade to 0079 on every front. It's not perfect, obviously, but I'd still call it a great show.

>>23333105
So, so far
>Bright has yet to hit Judau (he's sucking up to him because he believes Judau is a newtype, as if this stopped him from administrating corrections before)
>Yazan became a joke
>the Zeon/Axis fellas are way more enjoyable than Judau's crew.
>Judau almost hits Fa
>new girl introduced, and it seems she might be a romantic interest to Judau, even with her (I assume) being older (both the previous MCs had unrequited crushes for older women that went terribly wrong)
>Fa is back to full jobbing while piloting
>MSs duking it out boxing style, as if it worked
>flying with an open hatch won't make you pass out from the G-force somehow
>no kill shots, but the Zeon characters act as if those soldiers were dead?
The lighter tone isn't as bad as I was expecting. But the Judau dick sucking makes me roll my eyes every time. Him also not immediately understanding the significance of wasting food seems out of what you'd expect from his character.

>>23335586
>he's sucking up to him because he believes Judau is a newtype, as if this stopped him from administrating corrections before
It's because he doesnt have any more pilots, if he still had Emma, he and her would be taking turns beating Judau's ass.

>>23335601
He also didn't have anyone to properly replace Amuro in 0079 and he still administered corrections and tried to humble Amuro.
But to be fair with ZZ, I also think Bright got weird by the later half of Zeta. Katz got away with too much idiot shit, to the point it really bothered me.

>>23335606
Katz didnt get away he just wouldn't listen period. But the real issue is that morale after the end of Zeta is so fucking low, AEUG is in regroup mode for like the first half of ZZ, Kamille's comatosed. Quattro's fucking MIA, Fa is doing the best she can to step but, but she's also the only one cariing for Kamille too. (As much as i liked ZZ as a whole, i did also hate they treated Fa, she deserved more dignity and respect considering that even volunteer to step up as Zeta's new pilot admist everything going on.), things as just so fuck, Bright just figures is best not to be a hard ass right now.

Now I don't if I should still be using this thread to basically blog post, but I do have inquiries. Like, what are the benefits of a combining suit? Why call it the ZZ Gundam (outside of the show's name obviously. Was it built on top of Kamille's original design or something?)? Why is Judau such a psychopath when it comes to killing enemies? He's always laughing about it. Meanwhile both Amuro and Kamille had more realistic approaches to it (Amuro's PTSD and Kamille's anti-war pro-life whatever you may call it).
I hope Iino develops well. He's the only one from the friend group I somewhat like. Although I want to see him grow some balls. I didn't like that he didn't go through with throwing those 2 rats out. Leina is also great. I also hope for the best for Glemy. Roux is kind of a bitch. And Mashymre deserved better, this new 80s punk chick is annoying!

>>23340131
>I also hope for the best for Glemy
Bro Glemy's gonna take you a ride. Keep watching anon.

>>23340131
I'm glad that you like Mashy but don't talk shit about Chara Soon, the best part of the show

>>23340148
I'll be very open here with you. I really wish they did a series of shorts with Glemy teaching Leina proper etiquette!!!!
>>23340213
Both Mash and Glemy (so far) just seem so just, honorable and idealistic/sold on Axis' ideals (which is obviously done for clichey anime reasons, especially for when they were inside Shangri-la). Meanwhile Judau's group doesn't really have any aspirations. They want to be "free", and will backstab people if that's what they need to do to obtain that (at least, so far).
I think Judau is missing a Quattro figure, someone for him to look up to, I'm not really sure. I am wondering about how the whole Newtype thing will develop. It's not like Bright could help him when it comes to that, he surprisingly never really talked to neither Amuro, Char or Kamille about it (this is one of my complaints with Zeta. Both/Either Amuro and/or Quattro should've taught Kamille about Newtype shenanigans, but instead they kept it vague for no real reason).

ZZ so far has been somewhat claustrophobic for me. In the previous series we'd eventually get a look on what the big antagonists' plans were. But in ZZ we just have the "local" events, it feels cut-off from the rest of the Universe. I will assume this is to build suspense, as the Argama is kind of exiled and cut-off themselves.
Now do we get to see what happened to the Methuss? I hope Fa didn't sell it as junk, but I also don't know how she'd afford to live in Shangri-la if not. Maybe she went on to get hired as a nurse...
And why does the Opening have Char yawning? What's up with that?!
In general I also feel like my approach to ZZ betrays Tomino's ideals. I reject Judau's freedom and fiery youthful ways, rather preferring the controlled one I already know. I desire for Judau (and his friends) to be reprimanded and put in line, but that's just controlling, perhaps like putting a bird in a cage.

>>23340131
>80s punk chick's annoying
Leave.

>>23340131
>Why call it the ZZ Gundam (outside of the show's name obviously. Was it built on top of Kamille's original design or something?)?
I can answer these ones. If the Zeta was a leap forward for MS design, the ZZ is intended to be the Zeta for the Zeta. It's designed to be more durable, more maneuverable, and way more powerful.
>Like, what are the benefits of a combining suit?
Modularity for one. If the ZZ's legs get blown off, that part can be swapped out.
Each of the three parts also has a reactor onboard, and this is necessary for the ZZ because it is a massive energy hog.

>>23341863
yeah, Quattro/Char stepping out of the anime really made everything suck

>>23308769 (OP)
I genuinely enjoyed ZZ far more than I enjoyed Z. It was more engaging, more fun, and was more than just a string of melodrama and people talking about politics.

>>23342103
ZZ characters just feel more alive, so character drama works as intended.

>>23342166
except for when they mysteriously *rocks fall*die

>>23342213
Yeah, that was weird. Maybe animation error.

>>23308769 (OP)
Skip episode 1 and watch the rest like a normal human being.

>>23342103
>and was more than just a string of melodrama and people talking about politics.
Instead it was just an unfunny comedy and people talking about politics

>>23341996
I don't know if I'd like Char to be the one. Just someone to be an Aniki/Father figure for Judau.

I have to say, I am disappointed with Puru/Ple. Is ZZ really going to turn into a Harem anime? I swear I got a feeling that transported me in time, a decade or so, to how I felt seeing all the girls crushing on Kirito in SAO.
So is ZZ going to break the Love Triangle thing Gundam has going on, I wonder. Is it revolutionizing it by making it be a Onii-chan triangle? Judau - Leina - Glemy? I doubt it since Leina keeps pushing Glemy away and being rude to him! And now Puru (Ple) chose Judau over him as well! Like What the Hell!

>>23347777
Shut the fuck up retard.

>>23347777
you keep expecting ZZ to be good but sadly it is not

>>23308769 (OP)
If you want to see CCA then ZZ is quite useless.
If you want to see Unicorn you need to watch it

>>23350376
Yesterday's watch session really disappointed me.
2nd time we get some sort of comparison made between Judau and Char. The 1st was in the OP. Now Haman thinks his Newtype energy feels like Char's?! And then she herself joins Judau's romantic race???
Hell so far almost every chick in the series has a possible thing for him, even the African girl seemed to be interested.
Puru managed to escape, and at this point every prisoner having escaped from the Argama has become insufferable (this falls more on Zeta than ZZ).
For some reason they supplied a new Hyaku Shiki to the Argama (I assume it was done to sell more models). Now why would they do this? The HS was already outdated by the end of Zeta. And Bright doesn't even mention anything about Quattro? He doesn't ask the A.E.U.G. if they managed to find Quattro's Hyaku Shiki adrift or something? Char was technically the face of the A.E.U.G., you'd think they'd want to confirm that!
Beecha piloting the Zeta was disgusting. Kamille's baby deserves better.
They introduced Rakan, and tried to make him sound like a badass but
>"yeah this dude can hold the Argama back solo"
>gets insta soloed by Judau
: ]
Puru also having 0 loyalty to Zeon is also bizarre. Even with Newtype shenanigans, you'd think she'd understand her place. But no she just seems oblivious to reality and stuck with Judau. She doesn't even care if her favorite ice cream shop is back at Zeon or anything.
But, I've reached episode 25. And according to >>23309742 this is when it gets good! So I still have hopes!

ZZ is really necessary for Unicorn, not so much CCA unless you really care about knowing what happened to Haman

"The Earth is at fault/ humans cling to the earth" always confuses me because Spacenoids keep making even worse dictatorships. Just because you guys can control funnels doesn't magically make you political leaders and benevolent people. (Which was basically X's ending statement)

>>23350844
ZZ creates plot holes in Unicorn and adds really nothing to it

>>23313641
Based. CCA was hastily written slop that didn't take into account the Quattre arc of Char. Tomino admitted to purging the movie of such things to make it easier for consumers to consume. Soulless film.

>>23308769 (OP)
>How to watch ZZ?
You don't. That's the answer.

>>23352176
A real shame because as stated earlier, with context of the Quattro arc, CCA hits so much deeper.

>>23350792
As of the last episodes.
It really does seem like a "clear cache/data" switch has been flipped with Leina's death (which I'm hoping is a fake out, although I heavily doubt it). Beecha and Mondo being the highlights here, now being full team members, even getting to pilot MSs and getting more screen time than Iino... all of their sins forgotten.
Puru is an extremely annoying presence. And I hate her for killing Leina. It was 100% her fault, and it's weird that no one, specially Mondo, mention it or care. Judau also got over it really quickly, and the show presents this whole transition in a weird way. Judau gets desperate, mostly off-screen, then depressed, then we get Roux shitting on him (I was expecting her to reveal her background and why she volunteered ie: her parents died because of Zeon) and Puru screaming on his ear. And this somehow works and makes him get over his little sister's death? Which so far was the only thing motivating his actions? Isn't this strange?
And Bright just ignores him? When he, as the most experienced with war and loss, should've been talking to him and serving as a mentor figure...
Judau seems to have gone through a shift in morality. At the start of ZZ he's laughing as he slaughters soldiers, but then 25 rolls up and he starts talking about the sanctity of life/peace and starts crying about it.
Haman's treatment almost feels like character assassination. You're telling me the woman who stood before and fought Scirocco, the man who could conjure a demonic pressure, and also engaged against Kamille, another example of amazing Newtype pressure (to which she responded with utmost rage and killing instinct), started pissing her pants and crying upon Judau's first shart release of pressure? What a waste of a character.
And now to really put the cherry on top of the shit cake, it seems Tomino wrote that the Irish are English? And colony dropping Dublin?! Really? London is right there! What a bizarre choice.

>>23353115
Seeing Leina get through the Zeon guards and acting as a Princess really pumped me up. I was even wondering if the writers were going to make her pull a sort of Suzaku, where she gets captured again by Glemy, but this time she accepts her position, and after seeing how rotten both sides were (Neo-Zeon and the Earth Federation), tries to steer Glemy to destroy both sides and find peace or something...
Amuro finally returns to space... off screen...
And Kamille shows up again. But it's done in a dirty way. It's like the show is sucking him off. Hell they literally call him "the voice of God", and have a ton of moments that seem like fan pampering to a kind of disgusting degree.
Hayato decides to kamikaze, for no real benefit, leaving behind Fraw to raise a baby and 2 kids. Who now probably have to hear from either, at best, Bright (most likely not) or some random Karaba employee that her husband and adopted son are dead.

>>23353115
Congrats anon you've now entered Judau's find out arc. To clear up some things, Judau never really gets over Leina dying, it's just him trying to put on a brave face and him trying to make up for all the times he fucked around and never truly grasped the severity of danger Leina was in for someone who's supposed under care about his sister alot.
As for Haman, her character isn't really assassinated, what's happening with her is that she too is going through a "fuck around, find out" moment. She fucked around in Zeta, now she's about to find out in ZZ, pay close attention to Glemy when talks about Haman. To get you a better understanding of her mindset in ZZ, understand that she no real reason to even drop that colony in the first place, she caved to pressure.

>>23309782
Yes because it's like real life, some people are in grave shit while other completely unrelated people are goofing off. The new cast of ZZ goof off until they're initiated into the grave shit

>>23353171
I wouldn't mind the tonal shift if the Argama crew wasn't present. If we had Judau and crew messing around with the Zeon unit sent to "conquer" Shangri-la, and the Argama crew poped in later, I think it would've been better.

>>23352176
see >>23315880

>>23353171
>Yes because it's like real life
Pffffft ahahaha

>>23353115
Hehehe they actually did it. It doesn't make a lot of sense, but Leina is okay after all. I was left wondering if that was Sayla with her or not, the whole thing doesn't really seem to make any sense, but eh.
Now I didn't expect them to kill off Puru/Ple. From my time with SRW I expected her to be a mainstay.
Having Beecha become the new Captain of the crew is an amusing choice(if you reset his status, ignoring his actions from the beginning of the show that is). But I wish it had been foreshadowed somewhat, it does come out of a left field. Maybe have him be around Bright for a few episodes (perhaps because of an injury, which incapacitates him from piloting). Or have him look up to Bright, or look up to the role of a Captain itself.
And once again I must ask, why are we still running the MK II and Hyaku Shiki? What happened to the Super Gundam? Why build a new, unmodified Hyaku Shiki? I don't think it helped with model sales.

>>23358086
Katz crashed the only super Gundam into a rock, I guess they just decided it wasn’t worth it to build another one. As for the old MS still seeing action the real world justification is that model kit sales had been declining since about midway through Zeta, Bandai wanted to maximize sales of existing kits and minimize production budget. This is also why a lot of MS we see during and after the earth arc are barely modified versions of older suits, Bandai wanted to be able to retool their old molds instead of making entirely new ones.

>>23358198
I completely forgot Katz didn't remove the Super Gundam stuff.
I'm disappointed with Deputy Captain Beecha. He didn't mature one bit...
Also bringing the Moon moon girls back this late felt really out of place to me. It seems they just wanted another Newtype who could sense Haman and who wouldn't fight her. I'm a few episodes from the last one and this whole Colony 24 stuff just feels off. So far it feels like something that should've been inserted around the time of the Moon moon episodes.

>>23308769 (OP)
>How to watch ZZ?
Literally don't. Avoid all Gundam like the plague. Go read something actually stimulating like Catcher in the Rye

>>23360734
Catcher in the Rye creates murderers.
Gundam saves people from turning into murderers.

>>23362878
yeah...

>>23316519
How can someone be this wrong!?

Man the animation and art direction in these last few episodes is rough. Some of the characters don't even look like the same people. And you notice a lot of static shots and certain poses being held for a long time.

Man I don't even know where to begin. I guess I'll start by the minor things.
Emeary's death felt more like a band-aid solution to keep Bright from cheating. Bright getting punched just felt humiliating. Sayla calling him "Bright Noa" felt absurdly formal when a "Bright Kancho" would've been 1000x better and more appropriate. Sayla and Bright's chatter felt less like an actual conversation and more like an advertisement for CCA, no mentions of Bright getting to work with, and know, Char and his involvement with the AEUG. Judau and crew siding with Haman after she dropped a colony on Earth? What made them believe that Glemy would've been a tougher opponent when he only had a rebel fleet VS the main Zeon force with the last remaining Zabi member alive? Puru 2 siding with Judau because... her clone kept haggling her? And then we get 1 scene with Kamille and he's now fine!? As if Haman had anything to do with his condition, and not Scirocco!?
The idea of a Zeon civil war is so interesting, and it was wasted on the last few episodes. The idea of a NewType battalion the same, and they barely did anything on screen. These 2 are concepts that should've been the main attractions of the season. Glemy representing a new Zeon and Haman the old. And Glemy's fate, such a shameful end, it's like Tomino really wanted to humiliate him. He didn't even get to go out in a MS. He didn't get a proper conclusion to his infatuation with Roux. He's betrayed, again, by Puru. And he's just going out of control and completely losing his cool (personally I found it out of character).
On the note of the NewType battalion, shouldn't they have interfered with the other NewTypes? How come Chara Soon and Mesh became NewTypes on the last battle but Glemy didn't? Just more humiliation.
And why reframe Zeon's ideals as some sort of selfish shit? Zeon's supposed to represent Spacenoids as a people against Earth's corruption, so what the fuck was that whole thing!?

>>23370080
Yeah, I don't know why you kept expecting anything out of ZZ, from the very beginning it was clear that it wouldn't amount to anything or even have anything interesting aside from a few cute characters

>>23370080
Why is the Federation working with the AEUG? They're literally terrorists. Why were the Titans ignored? I know most of their forces/leadership were wiped, but you'd expect they'd still have people down on Earth or Jupiter (I don't remember if their dissolvement is mentioned at any point). And Yazan really just got booted off the show with no celebration huh. I was expecting his return for the longest time and... nothing!
Haman's ending was just so lacking in salt, and sincerely felt out of character to me. In general ZZ's Haman felt like a MASSIVE downgrade compared to Zeta's, she didn't even get to fly in her hands-to-hip form.
Beecha didn't get to score and to the very last minute had to fight for Elle's attention. Extremely embarrassing.
And sincerely I felt like Judau's team should've had one or two episodes of doubt after seeing Kamille's condition. But no, Judau's all
>"I'll fight because I need the money to pay for Leina's school hehe"
As if he hadn't just seen someone go full braindead from things they do not understand, that are happening to Judau. But none of them even ponder the question. Bright in fact should've been extremely cautious about it, especially since Judau is the only crewmember who can pilot the ZZ. In 0079 they were okay with Sayla training with the Gundam in case something happened to Amuro.
And talking about Amuro, where the fuck was he? They say he went to space (as I mentioned previously), but he doesn't get involved? I assume it'll be explained in CCA. And it'll probably be some "he was working on engineering stuff", because I can't think of anything else.
In the end it feels like Judau was the only one who won. He possibly got the girl, the 2 little sisters, and whatever job he got on Jupiter.
Bright humiliated. Kamille thrown aside. Beecha humiliated. Glemy humiliated. Haman, Yazan, Wong, AEUG, Mesh, the Zabi family, the people of Zeon, Titans, the Earth Federation...
Even Ireland was humiliated...

>>23370080
>Zeon's supposed to represent Spacenoids as a people against Earth's corruption, so what the fuck was that whole thing!?
No, this part actually made sense; it's almost like you haven't been paying attention at all.
>>23370128
Amuro is Sir Not Appearing In This Film, as is Char

>>23370080
>>23370128
Congratulations you watched the worst UC show. Now you can come to any ZZ thread and watch anons praise the show and wonder if they have brain damage or perhaps they are just malicious and want others to suffer.

>>23370292
Yeah re-watching it now, it's just the simple
>If you commit hateful acts you'll just beget hateful acts to be done upon you
And I guess by the end of the fight Haman just accepts this and self destructs. Which makes the choice of dropping a colony even more retarded, since she got what she wanted that far, which was Side 3.
So the cycle so far is
>Zeon pursuing independence for spacenoids starts a war against the Earth Federation
>Colony drop, Australia is gone, half the population is gone in the war
>Earth Federation pushes back
>Defeats Zeon
>Titans established
>Titans start oppressing Spacenoids
>they start gassing and Gryphs lazering colonies
>Zeon comes back from the edge of the galaxy, helps defeat Titans
>Zeon strikes a deal with the EF to regain Side 3
>Haman decides to do a colony drop to show that the Neo-Zeon is not to be underestimated????
>Ireland gone
>EF and AEUG defeat Zeon
and then CCA will come up with something and the cycle continues up to Hathaway.
Now, that alliance (EF and AEUG) I didn't quite understand. When Bright meets up with the EF higher ups they somehow have the power to decommission the Argama? As if the AEUG wasn't an anti EF terrorist cell?
And we never get to hear Emeary's last words right? Mesh was "enhanced" (whatever that means, I assume he became some sort of cyber newtype) off screen. His wingwoman, the pink haired girl with a cross, also just vanishes after his death? And I still can't tell if the Puru girls are: clones, clones of Minerva, war orphans (the same way the Masamune Labs operated)? Was Glemy just BSing about having Zabi blood?
>>23370775
I sincerely was expecting it to get better. A lot of the posters on /m/ just seem to hate every Gundam show. So I thought that maybe ZZ wouldn't be so bad and those lads were just exaggerating or overhating. The posters itt also mentioning how good they think ZZ is also raised my hopes at the time.

>>23371203
Haman didn't want to drop the colony, she was compelled to by her position as the leader of Zeon
Char is the same way, he doesn't want to do the things he does, but the people of Zeon demand he does them
he calls himself a "clown" every time he's forced to do something by the will of the people, this is his major falling out with Amuro in the famous whiskey scene

>>23370292
>if you don't like ZZ, you haven't seen it
>if you've seen it but don't like it, you weren't paying attention
>the only legitimate opinion is liking ZZ
I'm hereby dubbing this Catch-ZZ.

>>23371203
ZZ's reception goes well beyond /m/. An anon earlier in the thread posted that Japanese fans suggest just watching 0079, then Zeta, then CCA, and getting ZZ's plot summary from Super Robot Wars or G Generation. It isn't a highly regarded show.

>>23371208
>Haman didn't want to drop the colony
That's nonsense. That's trying to sanitize Haman when one of her appeals is that she's become a monster and doesn't even care.

>>23371297
no ZZ is shit, it's just that this complaint is retarded and wrong
both can be true
>>23371313
>sanitize
nobody's trying to pretend that she's free from blame here, she still did it
just like how nobody tries to pretend that Char isn't responsible for dropping Fifth Luna onto Tibet and attempting to drop Axis onto the Earth, they just claim that it was a good thing

>>23371340
I just think if she didn't want to drop the colony, she wouldn't have done it.

>>23335606
>He also didn't have anyone to properly replace Amuro in 0079
Yes he did, White Base never had less than 4 potential pilots who could've hopped in the Gundam if need be

>>23370128
>Why is the Federation working with the AEUG? They're literally terrorists. Why were the Titans ignored?
Did you speed watch both Zeta AND ZZ?

>>23308769 (OP)
i just recently finished my zz adventure.


once they get into space I feel it turns around for the better. you just gotta slug it out till that time. about 19 or 20 eps in. some things from zz pop up but rlly not at all

>>23371992
adding to this. what do? ive watched 79. 08th, z ,zz ,cca , unicorn, narrative, hathaway. (in this order within the past month or so) i tried to watch i think seed but the eyes are too anime. i will give it a go but is there anything better i can try to watch before i hit au?

>>23372036
0080, 0083, and Igloo are all worth watching if you haven’t. F91 and Turn A are good main entries, and you can see if you’d like Victory

>>23372050
forgive for asking. where can i watch em? do i have no choice BUT to sail the seas? ive debated the blue rays but god am i so mad that shit costs an arm and a leg

>>23372052
is it a problem of morality or you have bad internet connection?

ZZ>>>Z>>>CCA

>>23372064
the Queen Mansa is the only good part of ZZ

>>23358198
Gave it a rewatch. Katz actually docks the SG stuff onto Emma before he crashes. Yazan is the one who destroys the SG thrusters when he's attacking Emma.
>>23371853
Could you kindly expand on your point? Sincere question.
>>23371848
Potentially yes Timeline where Job John pilots the Gundam(Bright even considered Ryu) but not properly. He realizes how important Amuro was (and was counting on him in the Gundam for their next battle), but he still teaches him a lesson by sending him to the brig.

>>23374408
>Could you kindly expand on your point? Sincere question.
What did you think Char accomplished at Dakar? There's a reason why the Titans became desperate and EFF wasn't a issue for AEUG anymore

>>23372064
I definitely agree with this for mecha designs. ZZ designs are so damn good.

>>23375257
the Nu, Sazabi and Re-GZ are three of the best mobile suit designs of all time but I agree, the rest of the suits are inferior to almost everything in Z and ZZ

>>23309749
ZZ is important for worldbuilding; it's more of the same stuff in the perspective of different (less asshole) characters, the casual use of newtype powers validates the Zeon ideology, the pointlessness/preventability of the plot highlights Char's inaction as Quattro, the ineptitude of the politics and factions to the point that the characters don't even acknowledge them, etc. It all sets the stage for Char's Counterattack.

The OP for ZZ is absolutely terrible.

>>23341863
>And why does the Opening have Char yawning? What's up with that?!
He's actually cumming because he finally came up with the idea to drop Axis and be forever with Amuro

>>23341863
>Both Mash and Glemy (so far) just seem so just, honorable
>Mash
Bro he's a braindead puppet, as Fa said about all cyber newtypes. Glemy, like every character, is driven by self-interests.

>>23375771
Silent Voice? Is terrible? REALLY?

>>23314291
>>23314331
Haman dropped the colony to force the federation to cede territory(which worked), this is the exact same behavior as to why the Zabi family did the colony drop to try and force the federation to surrender without Jaburo.

>>23313641
I don't see your point. He said "Even if I do nothing" and he did a nothingburger. He even committed to being a human sacrifice after Amuro suggested it. How is CCA inconsistent? If anything, Quattro was a failure because he could've just jizzed in Mineva and Haman and called it a day.

>>23376251
>Quattro was a failure because he could've just jizzed in Mineva and Haman and called it a day.
>Mineva
She's a little too young even for Char, at least in the time of Zeta. He'd use her like he did Quess in CCA, but long-term pawn instead of short-term pawn or at least till she looks like she does in Unicorn.

>>23376091
The Federation had already agreed to cede territory at that time, they'd agreed to it in Dakar. Her colony dropping on Dublin doesn't really make a lot of sense, even if it was done to decapitate the Federation leadership that was hiding there (Axis forces had already found them and blown their safehouse up).

Space has no age of consent. Char regretted larping as Quattro.

>>23376495
They planned to agree, but did not get the chance due to the combat occurring in Dublin, as a result Haman simply just dropped the colony.

>>23376074
>it's not an anime! it's not an anime!
Terrible when compared to bangers like Dreams and Resolution? Absolutely.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p689DPREs4c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr0gKar8ZFc

>>23376533
ZZ has 2 OPs... Silent Voice isn't that one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNjf0OeMCkA

>>23376066
I don't think Mash was a CyberNewtype at the start of the series, was he? In general, both him and Glemy change their personalities throughout the series. Mash starts all "Knightly" and silly. And Glemy also starts noblelish and silly, talking about his parents teachings and what not.
And CyberNewtypes aren't braindead, the ones we see (in Z and ZZ) are usually hypnotized, with intelligence varying (from Four/Gates to Puru 1).
>>23376495
>>23376511
According to what she says, she dropped it to prevent the EF from underestimating Neo Zeon. Since Neo Zeon was a duct taped faction, filled with newbies. Tomino just wanted something big to bring back viewership.

>>23376630
>Puru 1
Ple isn't a cybernewtype, the others have gone through conditioning while she hasn't

>>23376533
>Xfag has absolutely no taste
in other news, water is wet

>>23376502
>Space has no age of consent.
Gee, I wonder what faction approved this post.

>>23376630
Puru is a regular Newtype. Ok, I agree with your post but the Titans ones were brainwashed at least.

Why did Tomino make ZZ a comedy? I laughed way harder at Z.

>>23376634
>>23376724
Is this stated in ZZ? I don't remember. I remember her getting too close to the Psycho Gundam and Kamille warning her to stay away. I don't even know what she is in general, as stated previously.
Is she a war orphan? Is she a clone/lab baby? Is she a clone of Minerva?
And the most pressing question
how did she win best girl of the year back in the day!?

>>23376634
>>23376724
>>23376941
If you take the novelization to mean anything, then Elpeo Ple is specifically said to be a cyber newtype there. In the anime proper, at the very least, she is a newtype who has been tampered with to psychologically condition her.

>Is she a war orphan? Is she a clone/lab baby? Is she a clone of Minerva?
Unknown. One theory is that she, like Glemy, was created from Gihren's sperm and a newtype woman's egg, as a way to create a newtype.

>>23376941
Japs with high testosterone wanted to bang her

>>23376660
Glemy did nothing wrong.

>>23308842
>ZZ is inconsequential
As if the outcomes of 0079 or Zeta changed anything.

>>23370080
>And Glemy's fate, such a shameful end, it's like Tomino really wanted to humiliate him.
Glemy wanted a monarchy and was gonna do clone wars with preteen girls which is bad and wrong and you should be ashamed haha

>>23370100
The cute girls were integral to the viewing experience.

>>23376961
>If you take the novelization to mean anything
You really aren't supposed to take the novelizations for anything at all, especially not ZZ's

>>23376997
>cute girls
there is also cute Mashymre Cello

>>23377052
That would be why I said that, anon

>>23350792
Puru betrays because Glemy was abusing her forcing her to do the inhumane human experimentation shit while Judau showed her any genuine affection, and then abandoned her to burn up in the atmosphere while Judau saved her. Also newtype connection with Judau.

>>23380001
Was he really? She seemed fine with all the missions he sent her to, even killing Haman. Glemy just started physically abusing her when she started to fall for Judau's magic.

>absolutely nothing happens the first 10 episodes
>just a goofy haman simp trying and failing to defeat zet and argama like some saturday morning cartoon "i'll get you next time, zeta!"
>it's in the same environment, so there isn't even visual variety

This is some legendary levels of bad pacing.

>>23380149
i was talking about Elpeo Puru, not Puru 2

>>23380228
the animators needed a break man

>>23377052
Wait until Sunrise finally gives in and animates first Gundam novel.

>>23377052
but I want Amuro be an aniki to Judau

>>23308842
I liked some of the stuff on Earth tbf
It just has a rough start, and a crap end

>>23381655
Not at the cost of Puru2's death being made unambiguously certain.

I'm in the same boat as OP. On episode 32 of Z. Things really picked up. But I'm not sure i can take another 50 episodes of teenage pilots via Tomino's pacing.

Is ZZ truly worth it? It doesn't seem like anyone besides Bright comes back.

I hear Tomino's Zeta Film trilogy basically retconned it, too.

>>23382099
At the end of the day, what are you looking for out of Gundam?

>>23382099
ZZ is not worth it. I've never seen a show that purposely wastes so much of the watchers time with nonsense. Nobody would even care that ZZ exists if Unicorn didn't go
>hey remember that clone girl, this is her now!

>>23382099
Is worth it for Gundam/Tomino's history. You should probably watch it once.
No idea of how you didn't enjoy all of Zeta. ZZ will probably be torturous for you. Or maybe not, who knows. ZZ fans (from what I've seen) don't really like Zeta, so maybe they're your tribe afterall.

>>23382099
If you're into character growth stories, then no. Political intrigue stories, no. Something with deep repercussions on the rest of the franchise, no.

ZZ is an inconsequential little story about a bunch of shitheads getting caught up in the First Neo Zeon War.

>>23382121

For Zeta I just wanted to see how Tomino handled a sequel, plus check in on Char and Amuro to get a better feel for what happened with them between MSG and CCA.

>>23382125

I like Zeta but it has the same pacing as Dunbine, just a bit slow. Like I said it picked up during the mid to late 20s.

>>23382124
>>23382143

Ringing endorsements... maybe I'll watch a retrospect video instead?

>Is necessary/recommend to watch ZZ before?
Well, Judau definitely got more referenced or outright showed up in more side media than Kamille, but if you're not interested in mangas and novels, then I suppose you could skip it. Then again, you miss what >>23308941
already said, which is the really relevant /m/ stuff anyway

I'm at episode 33 in Zeta where Axis Zeon and Karn show up. This is moving nicely now, maybe just keep going into ZZ, despite no Char and Amuro.

>>23382220
You should watch it to form your own opinions, at least that's how I operate.

>>23383847

Only so many hours in the day. Zeta gets good reviews ZZ seems to be a mixed bag.

>>23383957
>Only so many hours in the day
so what, unless you're dying soon it's not like you won't be able to finish it, it'll just take longer. what, if you don't finish something after a certain amount of time, you'll just give up regardless of how interesting it is to you?

besides, if you get really invested, you're going to become conflicted anyway
>do you watch ZZ anyway to satisfy your desire for more?
>so many people talk about zeta and ZZ in the same post, though
>you see these posts about ZZ but don't understand what they're referring to, am I missing out on something? what did that post even mean?

>>23383957
I watched 3~4 episodes per night. Once again, it depends on how you want to engage with the series. Some people only watched the compilation movies and jumped to CCA, but that's not how I personally approach things.

>>23383983
This is why you follow >>23309749
>You're better off consuming ZZ through any other medium, whether it's SRW or G Gen or just reading a plot summary.

>>23384021

I get that but it comes down to risk vs reward. But we'll see, Zeta is really finishing strong.

Does ZZ have older mature women like Z?

>>23384239
ZZ has even better.wya

>>23384029
>>You're better off consuming ZZ through any other medium, whether it's SRW or G Gen or just reading a plot summary.
No, those mediums are the ones that make you want to watch what the source is, I've never once played SRW and G Gen and thought it was a fine replacement for anything

>>23384239
Ehhh Not really. It's more imouto and Hebe town.

>>23385152
Sometimes it is, and it is for ZZ, you skip all the psycho bullshit and just get straight to the good parts

>>23386583
>skip all the psycho bullshit
Nigga just say you hate Gundam

>>23383769
lol, lmao

>>23387165
“ONIICHAN, ICE CREAM DAISUKI!!” is not Gundam

>>23387905
but it is ZZ Gundam

>>23387931
It’s filth. Fucking garbage.

>>23387947
I'm not disagreeing with you

>>23387905
“ONIICHAN, ICE CREAM DAISUKI!!” is not psycho bullshit.

>>23387905
>>23388933
>ONIICHAN, ICE CREAM DAISUKI!!
It's barely a 1 minute scene

>>23389029
It's just the perfect representation of the first 40% of ZZ. Completely inane trash that, for some bizarre reason, gets left out of every possible retelling of ZZ. Just like all the rest of the slapstick, just like Moon Moon.

>>23389062
Moon Gundam is entirely about Moon Moon and turned out alright

>>23389428
Confirmed for not even reading it

>>23308769 (OP)
just watch the show

>>23387905
Yes it is, your tastes just aren't refined enough.

>>23389062
There's lots of other anime you can watch being recommended on Reddit where you should go my nigga frfr