I enjoyed Wing more when I watched it this year

How come?

I didn't like Turn A much, but I liked it more than Wing, and I've started to come around on both.

Wing was a straight up obligation last time I watched it.
Turn A only hangs in the middle a little.

Wow haven't seen this thread 100 times already

The truth of Turn A is this.
Gundam started out as a series that tried not to glorify war. Somewhere along the line, this changed, and the human cost stopped being felt. We watched because we wanted to see cool robots, piloted by heroic characters, beating all of the bad guys. CCA is a battle between Amuro and Char, with the backdrop just being Char's attempt to commit genocide. How often do you see reviews of shows where the quality of the battle scenes are highlighted?

Turn A is a rejection of that ethos. War isn't anything good, and there often aren't clear heroes or villains. The Militia is justified, the Moonrace is also justified. Only the absolute worst of the worst want war to break out.

The MS designs don't mesh well with other Gundam works. By design. Tomino deliberately sought out a designer who wouldn't follow the traditions already established in mecha anime. He sought out one who would create futuristic designs with some engineering feasibility. They don't fit in with Gundam by design.

The characters don't fit clear archetypes. Loran is voiced by a woman and dresses as a girl on occasion, and is often the voice of reason. Female characters like Sochie and Poe are often the aggressive ones. But it's not purely subverting stereotypes. Loran can grow indignant and forceful in stopping people. Sochie is prone to mood swings and rash decision-making. Poe has her crying episodes and notably does not handle bitter medicine well. People in the real world do not fall into neat stereotypes either.

The Moonlight Butterfly is one of the most visually striking things in the entire show, and among the most powerful weapons in the franchise. It is also unambiguously shown to be a horrible thing that ruins lives. Turn A isn't about glorifying death and destruction. It's about the underlying beauty of life.

>>23309896
>Loran is voiced by a woman and dresses as a girl on occasion
On an occasion.

>>23310051
Yes I forgot a word. That invalidates the other 314 I typed. Forgive me.

>>23310066
I thought the rest was fine, but if you insist.

>>23310071
Nah I'm just joshing with you. I meant 'poses' as a girl, in that he doesn't really care about being called Laura all the time, but forgot to change the word.

>>23309896
>The truth of Turn A is this
Stopped reading right there.

>>23309896
Quality effort post
I appreciated it at least, anon

>>23309896
Neat

>>23309896
Capped

the first thing i do when there's a new gundam series is check the moral status of the moon

G-Reco makes it obsolete in every way but the designs and soundtrack.

>>23309896
>The MS designs don't mesh well with other Gundam works. By design. Tomino deliberately sought out a designer who wouldn't follow the traditions already established in mecha anime. He sought out one who would create futuristic designs with some engineering feasibility. They don't fit in with Gundam by design.
This is completely made up because Mead only did drafts.

>>23311582
That doesn't contradict that at all

>>23311582
Syd Mead designed the core units - the Turn A, the Turn X, the SUMO, the FLAT. the Wodom, the Bandit. The other designers then tried to create designs to fit into the same worldview as those. Tomino deliberately intended this as a challenge to them, as he felt Japanese mecha designers grew too complacent and just kept copying themselves.

>>23309896
amen
>>23310051
Actually two occasions, the first during the ball, the second during the inflitration on Miran's ship.

>>23309779 (OP)
>wing for no reason
did Bandai hire Indians to shill Wing on 4chan?

>>23309779 (OP)
I'd like it more if it wouldn't be a fotm on twitter.

>>23309779 (OP)
>This sucks actually
You could justify this.
>I enjoyed Wing more
Shit taste.

>>23312024
This
I didn't like Turn A on my first viewing but I fucking hated Wing

>>23309896
>Gundam started out as a series that tried not to glorify war
And it failed in the first second of the first episode when it showcased an imaginative future of romantic technological warriors

>>23309896
>Tomino deliberately sought out a designer who wouldn't follow the traditions already established in mecha anime. He sought out one who would create futuristic designs with some engineering feasibility. They don't fit in with Gundam by design.
That guy is specifically Syd Mead. He's better know for his work as the concept artist for Blade Runner, Tron, and Aliens. He also did work on Elysium and directly inspired some Star Wars designs with his industrial design work.
>>23311582
>Mead only did drafts
That's a lie. He designed the suits and other did some clean up work on them so they were a bit easier to animate. Pic rel are some of his concept sketches that he did by hand. You don't go out of the way to hire Mead to not use his stuff.

>>23315427
well, there was one design, called the 4Leg, that didn't make it into the show

>>23315553
>but not *all* of his ideas were incorporated into the show
That is the lamest fucking cop out I've ever heard. Nearly every artistic work has initial concepts that didn't make it into the final work.

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>>23309896
You're alright anon. I still don't really like it but I've never thought of it that way. Maybe I'll take another look.

>>23309896
All of this cope and it still has loads of cool robots and fight scenes and epic scenes where heroes get blowed up.

People say "anti war media doesn't exist", but that's not right. Anti-war doesn't exist. You can't live without it.

Havent watched it yet.
The Gundam's design is ugly, the alt designs on the gundam wiki are better

At least it's better than victory.

I fucking hate newfags.

>>23316916
Well that's really not saying much
>this top 10 Gundam series is better than this bottom 10 Gundam series!!

>>23309896
Correct. Sadly /m/ doesn't really enjoy mecha shows, just the gunpla kits and the contextless fight scenes on YouTube.

>>23309779 (OP)
>____ Actually

So is your entire generation just completely unable to speak in things that aren't templates and memes? Man I know Star Trek predicted a lot but I don't think one of their predictions would have been Darmok and Jalad.

>>23309896
Have a cow for your trouble.

Moon is one of the most beautiful songs in all of Gundam. I wish Tomino got to work with Yoko Kanno more.

>>23320595
I'm thinking most of /m/ threads are done by serial shitpostwrs more than different users now and they're only pretending to be retarded zoomers...which isn't much better but still

I'll never forget when Moot said Australians are ruining this site and how we now know /m/a mods are Australian lol

>>23315427
Do you have that story where Sys Mead is in a hotel in Japan and has an epiphany about how to finish the Turn X while naked under a blossoming Sakura tree? Because that was amazing.

I also recently saw a story on how his Tron bikes inspired Akira's bike then Mead sent him art of a redesigned Akira bike as a gift I can't seem to find at the moment

>>23309779 (OP)
Isn't this the show about the half-nigger twink that gets fucked in the ass by a Gundam?

>>23320651
it's been awhile since I read it too, but I'm pretty sure he was just looking out his hotel room windows at the mountains

https://youtu.be/X6L_oxEkGgE?si=qNsF2tWgtj_7ACVu

>>23315604
That concept of Turn A is one of my favorite pieces of concept art ever made, just the way it's walking

>>23320640
https://youtu.be/SSXv5aYiKUE?si=aSJU2ji1iKWDeQeo

>>23309779 (OP)
Turn A only really clicks if you've seen all of Tomino's Gundam series. Otherwise it's just a weird little thing that Sunrise likes to claim is the eventual fate of all Gundam stories, as if it were the Dark Souls 3 of Gundam.

>>23311579
Their stories aren't even related you idiot

>>23321383
Yet ret/a/rds and twitter.com users constantly skip ZZ and Victory.

>>23321315
>That concept of Turn A is one of my favorite pieces
Here's a higher resolution version for you.

>>23320651
>Q. You mentioned that you worked from the inside-out. Did you apply the same “inside-out” design philosophy with the Gundam?

>Yes, because first of all they build toys of them which have to hinge in a certain way. Secondly, in animation you can make an arm disappear partially into the chest as the arm comes around; you can’t do that if it’s a real physical piece of stuff, so I had to think about that. I was sensitive to the anime system of shading and color divisions. That’s why the Gundam character has a hard line down the shin of the leg, for instance, and on the thigh so they can shade as a sharp line break as that’s how the style is. After the Gundam character was settled, then these other characters came into play for discussion to fulfill the story role. For the Dianna Counter suit I thought “this is a threatening thing from the Moon.” It has a big head with a single eye which is really just a projector. And for that one, Tomino-san did want it to look not too mechanical, more organic, because they were growing these things on the Moon. So that’s why the legs have this sort of vein texture, and it isn’t as sleek and mechanical as the other robots (he’s talking about the WaDom here). I did a utility robot, very strange-looking thing. As the story progressed, Tomino-san wanted an enemy for the Gundam at the same technological level — the Turn X.
(1/2)

>>23309779 (OP)
>Wing fan
Say no more

>>23321633
(2/2)
>So I get the storyline from our liaison lady for the Turn X, and she said “this is crazy! This thing all comes apart and then goes back together again. The arms come off as fighter ships, and the legs come off; the thing that remains is the control center at the head and upper thorax.” I thought “well that’s really weird.” I was trying to think how do you lock and unlock the arm? I came up with a six-pronged thing, with three on each to lock together. So I fly over to Tokyo and I’m in the Akasaka Prince in my suite, and in about 10 days or so I did about 110 sketches of this Turn X and how it locked together and how it was supposed to look in scale to people and all that. So that goes into production, and when it was all over we had a wrap party in the suite. And then we went down to Izu, about 10 of us, on a celebration trip at a mountain inn. We had a kaiseki dinner, tables from here to that glass window, about 6-7 meters long. We had course after course after course and a big bottle of sake. It was a fantastic time. Then all the guys had a soaking hot water bath and went to bed. I woke up the next morning and I’m still thinking about the final details of this Turn X… I throw open the windows in my room and the whole mountainside was pink — it was sakura time. So I took a piece of paper and sketched all the final details of the Turn X. The finished details were really done under the inspiration of this pink mountainside of cherry blossoms.

>>23321573
Thanks Anon, appreciate the filename too. Want to go on a date?

>>23321383
I disagree with this. Its just a metaphor for humanity's history of endless wars. You really just need to not be retarded. I can see if you said UC Gundam but fucking youre telling people they need go see Garzey's Wing

its not that bad

>>23309896
Why can't Turn A fans just admit that the show isn't good instead of doing these elaborate mental gymnastics?

>>23322001
Stick to AZ

>>23309779 (OP)
which english subs did you watch anon? some translations are bad, even the rightuff subtitles i have some annoyances with

>>23322001
I'm not even a Turn A fan, I'm much more of a SEED fan if anything. In fact I disliked it for a long time. I've just learned to appreciate it and the artistry behind it.

>>23322074
NTA but which subs are the best? I went to rewatch the scene in episode 8 where Loran reveals he's a Moonrace to everybody, and the subtitles are just completely wrong here. He's supposed to be saying, "But I also fight the people of the Earth."

>>23321651
Sure anon. The planetarium is free on Wednesdays and the observatory is open after sunset. Meet at 6?

>>23322603
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