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Which team would win in a battle royale?

don't you get tired of making these lazy plebbitor-tier threads?

>>23311072 (OP)
I'll go with 90s. Just 2 giant fucking lasers flying around then a God Gundam to deal with anything that might survive them (like IBO anti-beam shenanigans)

>>23311105
i'd go with the 90s team too but I feel G-Self has something that would fuck everything up but it's been a long time since I watched its show

imagine G-Self being your favorite thing instead of Narrative

>>23311072 (OP)
90s and it isn't even close. Out the gate you have to deal with 2 of the strongest ranged weapons on the list, one of which has a predictive AI with impossibly accurate aim. That alone is enough to deal with most teams, but if by some miracle you manage to get in close, you have to compete with no doubt the strongest melee unit in the series and the absolute absurdity that is Domon Kasshu piloting it.

>>23311072 (OP)
The one with the Newtype.

>>23311111
The antimatter weapon might fuck yeah

>>23311072 (OP)
G-self invalidaes anything that's not a super robot. So that basically leaves the 90s team (Just the God Gundam and maybe the WZ really) and maybe the HD team, depending on how GN particles and the other assorted types of magic from the shows interact with the G-self's arsenal

>>23311111
>>23311212
>>23311232
If G-Self gets Perfect Pack, then Strike Freedom should get Proud Defender and 00 should get 0 Raiser.

>>23311266
And AGE-FX.

If one side has AGE-FX, 00-Raiser and MSF...

Well....

Alternate UC team instantly dies.
Modern team is carried by G-Self, but its limited battery life means that unless he blitzes with photon torpedoes, the team loses.

Early UC has actual miracle workers on it, Amuro being possibly the greatest pilot ever and the others being some of the strongest newtypes ever.
Late UC is three amazing pilots in some of the absolute best machines ever created in UC.
90's team probably has the most raw firepower with the TBR and TSC, plus Domon's hax.
HD team is good, but unless they get their addons, they just can't keep up.

HD (w/ addons) > 90's > Early UC = Late UC > HD (w/o addons)

let's just pretend that everyone is equipped with all its arsenal

FAZZ
V2 Assault Buster
DX + G-Falcon
00 + Raiser
AGE-FX
G-Self Perfect Pack

SF isn't the same unit as Mighty SF, no?
also if we are going to add movies, then we can put Mighty SF, Qan[T] and Xi Gundam.
Unicorn and Turn A are cheating too

>>23311690
The SF II is Orb repairing the Strike Freedom and retrofitting it with the latest tech, as well as giving it the ability to mount Striker packs.

>>23311713
It's the same unit but modified enough that it warranted a new model

>>23311072 (OP)
HD team even if it's weighed down by age 3.

>>23311754
Stock 00 is a buggy mess. SF isn't as reliable if the battle isn't at space.

>>23311763
I'm assuming everyone in the roster is fully upgraded

>>23311072 (OP)
It's really just a fight between Modern and 90s for first place 90s has 2 big fuck you beams that kind of just overpower everything the other 4 have. A fight between those two turns into which team can beat the other team's melee mech first and Barbatos being absurdly durable makes me think the Modern team wins more often unless you get something stupid like the Wing Gundam immediately self-destructing on it. Late UC and HD fight for 3rd and Early UC and Alternate UC fight for 5th.

modern just because of G self, then 90s, then HD, then late, then Early, then alternate

>>23311072 (OP)
It's really funny just how under powered Alternate UC and Early UC are all 4 other teams have single members who could beat the entire squad alone.

>>23311072 (OP)
so why the hell is the HD team specifically gimped as hell when everyone else is at endgame?

>>23311812
Because MSF, 00Q and AGE-FX are unfair and would kill everyone but G-Self Perfect Pack.

>>23311812
They're not the only one fucked over, the Late UC team is lacking the Assault Buster Armor and the Full Clothe.

>>23311816
>Full Cloth
Maybe Ghost Gundam

>>23311774

>A fight between those two turns into which team can beat the other team's melee mech first and Barbatos being absurdly durable makes me think the Modern team wins more often

A mid-OYW GM could beat the Barbatos, the God Gundam is overkill.

>>23311812
>>23311813
>>23311816
Nothing says they can't use their full arsenal; these are just images of base models.

heck if you want you can count G-Bits as a weapon for DX + G-Falcon

>>23311819
>A mid-OYW GM could beat the Barbatos
I miss gunevo

since this thread turned out to be really fun, I edited the image.
still not sure if putting Mighty SF is fair since it's not from the 00s era

>>23311830
who the fuck is that Build/Astray ass suit in Mid UC

>>23311831
Gundam F89 from UC 112
https://gundam.fandom.com/wiki/F89_Gundam_F89

>>23311830
kek at G-Saviour

>>23311690
Does Gundnode army (and Quiet Zero) count as Aerial Rebuild's arsenal, since they are technically all controlled by Aerial?

>>23311072 (OP)
All of these dipshits are carrying almost entirely beam weapons except GQX. Modern team wins by virtue of Barbatos being all but immune to damage. This is before we consider what that ugly piece of shit G-Self is capable of asspulling.

>>23311784
>Kamille, Judau, and Amuro
>underpowered
Grim

>>23311774
>Barbatos being absurdly durable
Only against beam weaponry, thanks to laminated armor. If Domon uses the God Finger, then Mika and Barbatos are going down like a bitch in a single hit, because Domon can go straight for the structural weak points with it.

He also has plenty of experience fighting wire-guided melee weaponry with the Devil Gundam heads, so even if it's Barbatos Rex with the Hasmall's tail installed on it, it's not going to give Mika any kind of edge.

>>23311850
Since when can Barbatos tank beam shots?

>>23311861
hashmal

>>23311865
Didn’t it loose an arm?

>>23311867
nope

I miss the days when 00 Raiser is considered peak Gundam PLwise, CB has been pulling borderline super robot BS even near the end of S1

>>23311861
Pretty much everything in the PD setting can. Their version of Minovsky particles lets them make armor that dissipates beam weaponry that impacts it, which is the reason everything in the setting uses giant physical bludgeoning weapons (or high end railguns). The only things that still use beam weapons are ancient AI driven Mobile Armors that use giant twin buster rifle style beam weapons to maximize civilian death counts. At one point the settings equivalent of a GM gets hit with one of said beam weapons dead center and all that happens is it has a temporary short circuit in the camera. The Barbados get's hit and is downright unaffected. IBO suits are broken as fuck against anything beam dependent.

>>23311837
The HD team all hard counters Barbatos

>>23311850
>>23311886
Actually, come to think of it -- Mika and Barbatos might actually get sucker-punched by any of the UC teams. The PD setting never quite specifies the specifics of its beam deflection with laminated armor, or what type of beam weaponry we're actually talking about.

UC armaments, very specifically, are based on mega particles. They're not exactly beam weapons in the sense of laser beams. They're more like plasma-ejector rail guns, firing ultra-dense, ultra-heated MATTER at you.

And UC's anti-beam coating is a simple heat-dissipation coating applied to a suit as pretty much a more advanced spray tan.

>>23311861
IBO has beam deflecting topcoat. However they are all pretty shit on performance aspect,

>>23311690
Why would FAZZ be here? Why not just give ZZ the full armor upgrade instead of taking a completely different unit in?

>>23312118
I didn't mean the standalone FAZZ

>>23312120
Then why type FAZZ? Do you not know the difference?

>>23311072 (OP)
90s team is so incredibly busted it's unreal. Two of the hardest hitting beam weapon users AND probably the best melee Gundam of all time. Whether or not you think Barbatos' nanoelaminate armor can deflect the output of either of the twin buster rifles from the 90s team, it's cooked against the God Gundam. The Wing Zero alone could potentially solo every team given the Zero system will just tell Heero to fry everyone immediately. On top of that in a battle Royale the zero system can also strategize perfectly in order to yield a win. Im still waiting for someone to do the math on the potential output of the WZ's twin buster rifle vs the DX's twin satellite cannons, because both have incredibly impressive outputs. One being able to delete an entire colony and chunk of Libra, and the other being able to evaporate an entire island. Regardless, nothing really can counter that kind of output

>>23312121
are you retarded? both have the same acronym.

>>23312123
This. Everybody is voting for G-Reco or MSF but Wing Zero and DX can shoot them from very far distance before they could even get a lock on either.

>>23312123
The twin buster rifle is overhyped. We see a full blast hit the Vayeate and it's not instantly destroyed.

>>23312125
No they don’t tourist. Did you mean the FA ZZ? Then don’t type FAZZ

>>23311813
The 00Q would slaughter everyone else by itself. The ELS vaporized and consumed Jupiter's moons. They could atomize the Earth if they wanted and the 00Q could destroy the ELS invasion if it could fight for a week straight.

Everyone's forgetting that the ELS were the Devil Gundam if it was actually strong and not a joke boss.

>>23312125
I’d you don’t know the difference you shouldn’t be here. Go back

>>23311812
MSF has an unblockable weapon that can cut through a space fortress and nanoparticles it can use to disable everything over an enormous range and that provide a seemingly impenetrable shield
00Q can just appear anywhere it wants and can output enough energy to cut open a living metal moon without draining itself
AGE-FX can cover itself in beam sabers while massively boosting its output so it can tear through anything it wants, and has fine enough control over the FX-bits to use them to block shots meant for Vagan escapees

MSF would just stun the entire field and the others would go around and finish them off, there’s no fighting chance

>>23311072 (OP)
Modern.
Barbatos would be enough of a hassle against beams to give time for the g-self to destroy everything. Oh and I guess Aerial is there too.

>>23311072 (OP)
I'm going all in on the team with a gundam fighter.

>>23312105
The IBO mech lore book says the beams are "optical", so I guess it's a giant laser pointer?

why does everyone think G-Self Torpedos is instant win?
any good pilot can just avoid them by flying backward. their range isn't infinite

>>23311850
The Barbatos took multiple Rail Cannon strikes from orbit and still remained functional taking down dozens of mobile suits in that state its not just practically immune to beams (unless you pull the um actually their different types of beams so their tech just doesn't work) its also extremely resistant to physical trauma, in a 1v1 yeah the God Gundam wins the problem is that both sides have teammates and the God's teammates can't really harm the Barbatos while Barbatos' teammates sure can harm the God Gundam.

>>23312512
Then you just get shot.
They're not just a weapon but also battery replenishers and the G-Self can fire huge fuck you beams like with the reflector pack with enough energy.

>>23311630
>Modern team is carried by G-Self, but its limited battery life means that unless he blitzes with photon torpedoes, the team loses.
The Photon Torpedoes can actually help the G-Self recharge with the energy of whatever they caught in their onslaught, it's in some design notes.

>>23312586
>the God's teammates can't really harm the Barbatos
Heat fucks up Nanolamite armor, the TBR and the TSC doing all that shit can't hurt the Barbatos?
The Wing literally destroyed a colony and the DX obliterated an Island and a Colony Laser

>>23311072 (OP)
I feel that the Wing Zero with the Zero system and 00 with trans-am are the biggest threat here.

>>23312617
Yeah, we see heat fuck up a gun that exploded in the mobile suits hand and the cameras slightly distort even a shitty post war mobile suit made by the space mafia was able to take a beam that could punch through mountains and remain functionally undamaged with its own gun blowing up taking a hand with it doing more damage to the suit than the beam did.

>>23311072 (OP)
Wing Zero should be the glory of losers version with Drei Zwerg for even more HEAT.

>>23312297
Regardless of which AGE Gundam it is, DODS rifle should one shot Barbatos. It specifically takes out armor that regular beams can’t harm

>>23312512
Narratively, they're nearly invisible. The characters indicate they have no idea what's destroying everyone except maybe some sparkles of light. But the real answer is the fandom has been taken over by 70IQ shitskins and third world monkeys who got access to the western internet. The G-Self almost ran out of battery after re-entrying by itself. A good third of the list would be able to just hit it with big beams until it runs out of power.

How will the other Gundams answer to this?

>>23312697
Top row senses it and dodges, bottom row just blocks it

>>23312697
Didn’t Garrod need specific coordinates provided to him to do this?

>>23312722
Zero System is his team colleague.

>>23312697
Depends on if the 00 gets the Raiser or not.

>>23312706
>Top row senses it and dodges,
fair. but in space, satellite energy is infinite
>bottom row just blocks it
you can't block TSC.
>>23312722
yeah but if Zero System gives him coordinates, it would a huge advantage boost
>>23312734
idk but 00 Raiser was damaged by Reborns so it's not invincible

>>23312722
paula provided it to him, but once given the coordinates for the first shot, he can just adjust the angle afterward without needing a second set of coordinates

the impressive thing I guess is being able to measure and achieve that small a degree of accuracy, but since the microwave station needs to be able to do it to precisely send the microwaves to the GX, the GX apparently can do the same thing

>>23312722
Just shoot where Heero aims.

>>23312736
>idk but 00 Raiser was damaged by Reborns so it's not invincible
He can just teleport to the DX. The DX almost lost to the MS equivalent of a methhead with a knife. Except for the Twin Satellite Cannon it's just mediocre.

>>23312746
yeah but because it was taken by surprise and Garrod took a while to process what's going on.
00 Raiser has teleportation and still got damaged beyond repair

>>23312736
>you can't block TSC.
Why not?

>>23312746
didn't 00R get critically disabled when it got slashed after teleporting? he lost a drive

>>23312763
>yeah but because it was taken by surprise
It got dominated nearly the entire fight.

>>23312763
>00 Raiser has teleportation and still got damaged beyond repair
>>23312774
Because Ribbons had a newtype moment. AND he knew about it ahead of time because he saw it through the other innovades eyes. The Reborns is also a lot stronger than the DX as a mobile suit... It's stronger than even the 00 Raiser. It repeatedly overpowers the 00 Raiser during their fight

>>23312800
>Because Ribbons had a newtype moment
so Tiffa in the 2nd seat (like in the show and games) would give Garrod a huge boost

>>23312809
She lacks the combat experience to help Garrod counterattack.

>>23312815
she can help with her Newtype senses and predictions that guide Garrod

>>23312697
>needs to be stationary to charge
>needs to be stationary to fire
>every other pilot can react to it
>every pilot will target him and Wing Zero immediately after seeing them firing
Easily

>>23311072 (OP)
90s team is hilariously overpowered.

>>23312820
>super robot that bypasses logic and physics
>Super AI computer that predicts the future
>recharging nukes
yeah

>>23312816
Ribbons only managed to hit back after he got hit. And he's even a better pilot than Setsuna is. I don't know how you think Tiffa and Garrod would stand any chance. Ribbons had the better piloting skills, prep time, newtype/quantum powers, a MS with better basic stats, and knew all of the 00R's tricks and he still only managed a desperate counterattack.

>>23312818
X was horrendously forgettable so I can't remember exactly, does he actually need the moon to charge? If so there's always the Piccolo plan though I'm not sure how many outside his own team could do it

>>23312828
>I don't know how you think Tiffa and Garrod would stand any chance
I don't. I know 00 would wreck DX easily on 1-vs-1 but with Wing Zero and god Gundam with its side, this is a no-brainer.
Tiffa would just make hitting 00 Raiser with TSC easy since she can sense targets and even (sometimes) sees the future according to some episodes in the show

>>23312831
He needs the transmitter on the moon to charge. Somebody could just shoot it, sure, but they’d need incredible speed or range or teleportation. It’d probably just be easier to take DX out.

>>23312832
Well it's a 3v3, and the Zero and God Gundams would probably charge in first to give the DX a chance to snipe. There's no way Domon would just stay back to defend the DX.

>>23312836
>Somebody could just shoot it, sure, but they’d need incredible speed or range or teleportation
the base is guarded by an army of G-Bits all carrying Satellite Cannons.
even better, Jamile and Tiffa could control these bits to help DX

>>23312841
Not very meaningful
Also bringing Jamil in too is a bit busted

>>23312105
Also, both the TBR and TSC could realistically deal massive damages just with the generated heat

Melee-only suits are a huge liability in a battle royale like this. Think of how hard it can be to attack uninterrupted in EXVS, then imagine you’re dealing with not one other enemy, but 15. God Gundam and Barbatos get taken out fast

Assuming they’re all bloodlusted, Kira takes out the entire opposing field in less than two minutes

How long can they survive?

>>23312932
Insta loose 5 mins in.

>>23312932
Thanks to Alex they're the team I would root for, but I accept the reality that they would be the obligatory loser team that gets taken out within 5 seconds of the starting bell without knowing what the hell even happened

>>23312138
If very obviously can fire on a lower power setting, otherwise it wouldn't even have to hit its target to blow them up as we see happen multiple times already. Judging it bely it's lowest feat is also extra stupid when we see if blow through colonies. What is it? Shit or OP? It obviously cannot be both

>>23313059
Even UC beams can just blast through colonies, not a big deal

>>23313066
Shit I forgot also - I doubt insane Quatre was dialing the power back as he was trying to kill Heero.

>>23313070
still, the shot wasn't as big as the one that took down the other colonies, and the vayeate's made of gundanium too

>>23312508
And there you have it. So that means UC Gundams would absolutely tear Barbatos a new one, six ways from Sunday.

>>23312828
If Garrod has Tifa in the second seat, that technically means he has access to the Flash system and an army of G-Bits.
Ribbons can say 'ah' and go suck on an veritable barrage of simultaneously fired sattelite cannons, and go fuck himself.

>>23313118
Double X already has a built-in Flash System for non-Newtypes. Tiffa would just guide Garrod with her Newtypes powers and he will be hilariously overpowered

>>23313066
Ya how many of them annihilated an entire colony in one shot though?

>>23311830
Replace Crossbone with Phantom/Ghost, and replace F89 and Narrative for Penelope and F90.
>Hax Disqualified
Does the Zero System count as hax? What about Aeria'ls Permet shit (Why not Caliban nayways?).
Come next tuesday we might need to disqualify GQuuux too, if those miniature black holes(!) in the preview mean anything

>>23311072 (OP)
Of course Turn-A would win.

>>23313430
Loses to Mighty Strike Freedom

>>23312089
They don’t hard counter G-Self

>>23313484
They can wait 5 minutes for the battery to run dry

>>23313492
that's CE, not RC

>>23311266
Proud defender isn't equipment form it's show of origin.
You are correct about the Raiser though.

90s team is really good cause they work so well together. Two of the best long range supports and a nearly ideal front line melee unit.

>>23313465
The MLB creates giant magnatic storms, are the mighty strike's electrical defenses going to do anything to it?

>>23313524
It can just shoot the Turn A with the disruptor and it's GG. MSF doesn't even need to tank the MLB even if it might be able to

Aren't the Zeta and Origin!RX-78 massive handicaps here? This is assuming Kamille doesn't have newtype ghost deus ex machina to rely on.
>>23313519
>A long-range support, a nearly ideal melee unit, and a fucking suicide bomber
FTFY.

>>23311886
There was even a Build series thing where Barbatos and Strike Freedom fought each other, but they were both immune to each others' main weapons (Nano-Laminate Armor blocks beams while Phase-Shift Armor blocks physical weapons), so the pilots had to resort to weird tactics like using a DRAGOON as a shiv.

But this doesn't apply to the Mighty Strike Freedom, which has weapons designed to counter enemies with similar defences.

>>23313527
The biosensors on the Zeta and ZZ are actual magic. Zeta could straight up just freeze an enemy MS and Scirocco them.

>>23311876
It never really was though, people just didn't take God or Double X very seriously back then, and were deliberately ignoring the Wing side story shit.

>>23312512
Because they were an antimatter weapon used at low power.

>>23312900
God Gundam is not melee only. Do you not remember how it took out the Heaven Sword? Or the Devil Gundam itself?

>>23313538
I was presuming Sekiha Tenkyoken would be hard to use against actual psychics and outrageously more mobile MS.

All the Build protagonists travel to Eldora and manifest their mobile suits into reality. How far do they get?

They probably don't have the same level of bullshit as the mainline franchise, but they have a ridiculously large pool of ace pilots with overspec'd machines - even nameless background characters in the Build series are running around tanking Satellite Cannons and identifying the invincible enemy's hidden weakness.

>>23313545
Weird thing to presume.

>>23313513
Would METEOR be useful here then?

>>23313558
I don't know.
The games make it seem like a MA level tank but in both shows the meteors literally get one shot by funnels.

>>23313538
>Or the Devil Gundam itself?
They were like 10 meters away

>>23313562
>>23313558
They're just a bunch of guns strapped to engines and have no armor, Kira's METEOR gets slowly picked apart by Rau while Kira's doing silly things like trying to intercept all the incoming fire with his beam sabers

>>23313571
On the other hand, the beam sabers they have are long and powerful enough to cut through a colony-sized object.

>>23313593
I think almost every MS in OP can one shot that

>>23313558
METEOR is only good against fodders.

>>23312682
>the fandom has been taken over by 70IQ shitskins and third world monkeys who got access to the western internet
And you're one of them. The Photon Torpedoes can replenish the G-Self's battery.

>>23311191
No AI is gonna predict fucking 00 quantimizing from thin air. And that's not counting if we get VEDA involved which im sure is way more capable than zero system.

00 alone stomps most of these suits

>>23312736
>fair. but in space, satellite energy is infinite
A good portion of the pilots with their supernatural senses would definitely be capable of sensing it. If DX is in the vicinity, they literally see a stationary target charging for a massive attack.

>you can't block TSC.
You definitely can. Just because everything in X got shit tier defense doesn't mean the other settings have shit tier defense. The TSC is just a portable colony laser with an external power source. And colony lasers have been blocked before.

>if Zero System gives him coordinates
The Zero System ain't omnipotent. It can't give you information beyond the range of it's sensors. The Newtypes, Ultimate Coordinators, Innovators, and etc would negate the advantage that the Zero System provides Herro.

>>23312763
Garrod is just a human pilot that struggled against a failed Newtype and his average mobile suit. Garrod is going to get slaughtered against any competent pilot and their state of the art mobile suit.

>>23313885
>The Zero System ain't omnipotent. It can't give you information beyond the range of it's sensors.
Yeah, you don't know shit.

>>23313895
You are legit retarded if you think Zero System is some magic machine that is capable of granting you any information you wish.

>>23313875
VEDA is more impressive than the Zero System. VEDA is capable of doing everything that the Zero System can do but isn't bounded to a specific mobile suit and is capable of affecting and manipulating ecosystems outside of itself.

>>23313875
00 fails purely because Shitsuna is a useless faggot.

>>23313864
Irrelevant - the reflector pack can do so too, but it doesn’t matter if it can’t actually use either

>>23313910
Zero System doesn't need to be magic. It just needs to continuously feed the pilot information on the enemy machines, their capabilities and their actions. But if you do want to talk about magic. The Zero System does show Zechs his future as leader of the White Fang, Libra which hadn't been revealed yet and a few other things. Zero System isn't bound to a specific machine either. It was installed in Sandrock, Libra and a few Virgo.
>>23313925
They don't do the same thing. They have completely different functions.

Come to think of it, the Zero system might be straight up useless here. Amuro, Kamille, Judau, Seabook, Tobia, Usso, Kira, Setsuna, and Kio are all fucking psychics.

Do people seriously think Nano-Laminate Armor make you immune to beams and Phase Shift Armor makes you immune to physical weaponry? A sufficient amount of beams would wear the Nano-Laminate Armor off or a strong enough beam would bypass it. Nano-Laminate Armor is also a less impressive version of Akatsuki's armor and beam sabers bypass it just fine.

>>23313864
>The Photon Torpedoes can replenish the G-Self's battery.
It only works if it hits matter. And it's not going to hit shit in this fight except the early and alternate UC teams.

>>23313941
Tell one of the most prominent and popular figure of an organization that he is eventually going to become it's leader? Even a child could tell that it would happen eventually.

Zero System is literally bound to a specific mobile suit and is incapable of affecting anything outside of that specific mobile suit. It's an closed ecosystem without the capability to influence anything outside of itself. Installing a Zero System onto another machine doesnt change this. All it does is create another mobile suit with a closed ecosystem.

>>23313946
>beam sabers bypass it just fine
They don't. The Destiny Gundam hit the Akatsuki's bare joints. But the half-metal is stronger than the nanolaminate anyway.

>>23313885
the only thing I saw blocking TSC is Turn X's Moonlight Butterfly in a SD Gundam GG game.
everything else treats TSC as an end-it-all weapon.
Strike Freedom had trouble blocking Destiny's launcher beam and Legend's DRAGOONs beam spam, where it needed Infinite Justice against them.

>>23313892
the problem with DX is that it's a heavy tank unit. it's made to shoot things from afar, not close combat.
G-Falcon fixed almost all of its vulnerabilities, though, and since Tiffa usually sits with Garrod, she's the unit's newtype powers and she can gives G-Bits as support.

00 still outmatches it thanks to its ultra speed and teleportation, but in such a 3-v-3 scenario, it would be a fair fight as it will be more busy fighting Wing Zero and G Gundam

>>23313961
Zechs wasn't a prominent and popular figure when he was shown that. He was working with Peacemillion and drifting. I don't even think The White Fang had done anything yet. Zero System allowed Epyon to control Virgo and allowed Dorothy to control dozens of Virgo. Oh, by the way, Zechs got those visions when he wasn't even in the fucking suit. He was asleep in bed when Wing Zero activated on its own and gave him those visions.

>>23313952
The only MS that have a chance of avoiding getting hit during the PT barrage are the 00, F91 and maybe the Wing Zero.

>>23313978
anything that isn't near G-Self can easily avoid it.
there were many suits in the show when G-Self used the PT barrage were left undamaged and simply retreated.

>>23313963
Destiny's ASS cut through Akatsuki shield that had the same coating no problem.

>>23311072 (OP)
90s team in a blowout.

what would happen if GP02 suddenly appeared and launched a nuke at all of them (like at Solomon)?

I dont get why people think 90s team wins. Sure God is good but Zero won't hit anyone with his rifle and DX won't hit anyone with it's cannon. They are weapons just to hit fodder and stationary targets.

>>23314070
there's at least two amuros and a bunch of other newtypes there, and 80% of the suits there outperform the GP02A and can even just overtake it in terms of speed, I don't really see a problem

it'd be like when a single hornet attacks a beehive and then a dozen bees descend on the hornet and murder it in a dogpile

>>23312878
That does come up with the IBO mechs. A grunt suit gets hit with the big beam weapon and while it's undamaged, the pilot notes that his cockpit turned into a sauna from the heat. So I guess it's conceivable that some of the real apocalyptic level beam weapons like the TBR could win by turning the pilot into a microwave dinner without technically damaging the actual Mobile Suit.

F90 and F91 should join the 90s team just because they got lost during the registration process.

>>23314104
90’s team should just get Snow White.
The UC teams are what need help. Non-crystal Unicorn and Xi for early UC and maybe Phantom Gundam or G3-Saviour for late UC.

Wtf is people arguing.
THERE'S A SUPER ROBOT IN THERE.
The BS fuck you I win Gundam wipes the floor with everyone due to everyone else trying in some way and in some amount to make sense.
God Gundam does not care about logic.

>>23315006
There are multiple super robots there
God Gundam literally can’t harm several of the other MS

>>23315006
People really sell God Gundam short for literally making up powers based on situation.

>>23315010
How many run off actual classic super robot logic though. It's one thing to be busted as shit like some of the post GTO newtype space wizard bullshit from Unicorn or the g-reco auto delete bombs, and another to be rewriting the rules and making shit up by manifesting it through willpower with no real substantiated upper limit alone in order to handle a situation.
It also begs the question which pilots will truly go for a kill, and which are going to be giving a monologue for half the fight about why fighting is bad, freaking out when someone dies, and giving the opposition time to do literally anything.

>>23315104
God Gundam for that reason is a true wild card. Non issue if it gets jumped and taken out quickly. Which given the other suits involved is more than reasonable. If it's allowed any amount of time for Domon to get emotional, coins start getting flipped. Impenetrable defenses or not.

>>23315943
>which are going to be giving a monologue for half the fight
The only one on the field with a habit of giving extremely long monologues is Domon. While he’s reciting his poetry to use his best techniques, somebody will shove a beam saber up his ass.

>>23312900
>Thinks Super Robot can get damaged by any other puny sci fi pseudorealistic mecha.

>>23311830
All of the disqualifieds still loose against God Gundam by himself

>>23315010
No, only G Gundam is super robot.
And not only can God Gundam harm all of them, he will kill them.

>>23315104
A thing he can do but doesnt need to for wiping the floor and folding all other gundams, good old sekiha tenkyoken is a literal fucking ki blast.

>>23315943
Domon is a Super Robot MC. nuff said.

>>23316060
No because time is stopped when people launch attacks.
I don't remember G Gundam well enough to say how true it is the amount of mologue Domon does, but its not like they can kill him.

>>23315010
>God Gundam literally can’t harm several of the other MS
Which ones?

>>23312932
I'm pretty sure Shiro suffocates and dies, or the Ez8 fumbles around in space until someone shoots it down like the Zephyranthes

>>23311830
Except for the 00 Raiser using it's quantization, none of the non-hax teams stand a chance against G-Self Perfect pack.
In fact, I think it'd be a fairly even fight between G-Self Perfect pack and the all of the non-hax Gundams working together.

>>23319307
Any sufficiently large beam like the twin satellite cannon, twin buster rifle, or raiser sword would just overpower the photon torpedos. The only dangerous quality about the torpedos is theyre hard to detect.

>>23316708
Strike Freedom and 00 Raiser

>>23319307
If the Kabakali could take it out, anything else can

90 seconds? Strike Freedom took out 15 enemy gundams in 90 seconds?!

>>23311072 (OP)
Toss up between 90's team and Modern team

Late UC would sweep if they had the unicorn.

the only reason i'd see alternate UC hold out for some time is due of GQUUUUUUX but yeah no, 90's and Modern will rape everyone, end of the line

V2 Assault Buster easily solos most of them besides G self.

Best Pilot + Top 3 machine

If Uso gets access to spare parts even better, what can the G self do vs 50 billion flying legs.

>>23319893
How exactly is gquuuuuux going to help them hang on?
>machu: SHUJI WHERE IS SHUJI I NEED MY KIRA KIRA *bumps into a rock and explodes from a stray shot fired by probably Bellri*
She has no skill whatsoever

>>23319907
People are severely underestimating pilot skill, the Gcucks is a perfect example, it's a strong machine piloted by a awful pilot.

The Early UC team has been slept on. Amuro is the most skilled pilot period, and Kamille and Judau don't lag far behind, and even surpass Amuro as Newtypes. Even ignoring the MS they're given that can straight up turn willpower into actual power and do all sorts of hax.

>>23319984
Amurocells seethe when Usochads solo their entire team.

>>23319907
>How exactly is gquuuuuux going to help them hang on?
I mean, have you missed the preview to the next episode with the black hole things around it?

>>23319984
Regardless of what the franchise and the people running it want us to believe, on screen feats has Uso being better than anyone else. Any ingenious feat Amuro has that you can think of, Uso has one that matches it. Amuro wasn't even inventive in MSG or Zeta. He was in CCA and that's one movie compared to Uso's 50+ episodes of doing ridiculous shit. Throughout MSG Amuro is just good. He has great aim but pretty much every protagonist has good aim.

>>23319992
>Any ingenious feat Amuro has that you can think of
Taking out 9 MS and a battleship in under three minutes in a mobile suit designed solely for 1-on-1 combat. Outperforming the Gundam hard enough that it needed magnetic coating so it wouldn't break down on him. Using enemy fire to destroy other enemies. Negating beam rifle shots with shots from his funnels. As a mere bio brain copy, was able to destroy 3 Flints in 17 seconds.

>>23319903
>what can the G self do vs 50 billion flying legs.
shit out antimatter clouds that don't care about the number of targets?

>>23319903
>If Uso gets access to spare parts
That would be retarded. Of course it's Usofags trying to stack the situation so their guy can potentially win.
>what can the G self do vs 50 billion flying legs.
Just move in and punch him. The V2 fucking sucks compared to anything else in this. If it weren't for extra armor being grafted on at the literal last second, women in swimsuits would have taken it out.

>>23319987
Uso is great against genuinely braindead Zanscare grunts but you're delusional to think he stands a chance against even Judau.

>>23320006
None of that puts Amuro above other pilots. It doesn't matter if the Gundam is meant for 1 v 1 combat. It has a weapon that one shots battleships. Destroying one isn't a feat. Amuro isn't the only pilot to outperform their unit. The Gundam isn't even the strongest unit to be outperformed by its pilot. It's an incredibly low tier unit. If you're talking about dodging enemy fire so that they hit allies, that isn't so much as a skill feat as it's enemies being dumb. Amuro isn't the only one to block shots with shots.

>>23320241
Yes it does. What is this tomfoolery? Being a one-man army in a suit drastically inferior to Uso’s and getting 140+ confirmed kills just during the OYW is significantly more impressive than anything anybody else, except maybe Kira or Flit, were able to do. Canceling beam rifle shots out with funnel shots from completely different directions is an unbelievable level of skill.

>>23320265
Why the fuck are you comparing the Gundam to the Victory? You compare them to what they fought against, not each other. The Gundam was far above most of its competition for most of the series. The Victory was made of tissue paper and on par with what it fought.
We have kill counts from magazines and from people going through episodes and counting them by hand. Amuro has like 141 total between MSG, Z and CCA. Uso has more than that in Victory alone. Amuro didn't even have the most kills back in the day, Trowa did. Amuro was second, then Uso then Heero. Of course, we have different sources giving us different amounts. The MS Bible and Gundam Ace contradict each other.

>>23320290
But that’s wrong. Amuro shot down 142 MS and 9 ships in the OYW, and to then suggest that he got a handful of kills between 0087-0093 is just retarded.

Also
>downplaying the Victory
It is just as capable of one-shotting enemy MS, it’s significantly more mobile than anything in early UC, it’s incapable of being damaged in any meaningful way because the top and boots parts are replaceable, and it gets an upgrade in the V-Dash. Uso gets the V2 just over halfway into the series which is considered by some to be the absolute apex of UC tech - and he BARELY maybe outperforms Amuro who got most of his kills while piloting a souped up GM is laughable.

A rusty Amuro in Zeta does great in a Rick Dias. There is never a point in Victory where Uso ISN’T in the absolute best suit the LM has. Get real.

>>23320311
>But that’s wrong. Amuro shot down 142 MS and 9 ships in the OYW, and to then suggest that he got a handful of kills between 0087-0093 is just retarded.
You can't count what you don't see on screen. It doesn't matter what he did between 0087-0093 unless we see it. The MS Bible says Amuro got 142 in the OYW. Gundam Ace says he got around that total. Regardless, he didn't get a ton in CCA or Zeta onscreen.
>It is just as capable of one-shotting enemy MS, it’s significantly more mobile than anything in early UC, it’s incapable of being damaged in any meaningful way because the top and boots parts are replaceable, and it gets an upgrade in the V-Dash.
It doesn't matter how much mobile it is than early UC suits. So are the suits it fights. Stop comparing the Victory to the Gundam. Compare them to what they fought against. Uso barely uses the Dash. He uses the equipment more than the overhang pack. The V2 is not the apex of UC tech. People who say that haven't actually watched the show. They just hear 20g and immediately have aneurysms. What is your criteria for Uso barely performing better than Amuro?
>souped up GM is laughable.
A souped up GM that is a better MS than anything from its period except the Gelgoog and Zeong. That couldn't be damaged early in the series. Stop being disingenuous.
>A rusty Amuro in Zeta does great in a Rick Dias. There is never a point in Victory where Uso ISN’T in the absolute best suit the LM has. Get real.
The Rick Dias was top of the line when it rolled out. The Victory is a mass produced suit and everything around it is on an equal playing field.

>>23320290
The Mobile Suit Gundam: Strategic and Tactical Encyclopedia (the source for Tenneth A. Jung and others’ kill counts) says the number is 142 MS
Tomino himself considers Amuro to be the ace of aces in UC
This is nothing but more /m/ contrarianism.

>>23320338
>You can't count what you don't see on screen.
I can and will count the number that has been official for decades actually, and we can safely say that given how utterly dominant he is in CCA against anybody other than Char, he didn’t spend years dicking around. It’s hilarious to downplay Amuro as getting ~130 kills ever.

>Stop comparing the Victory to the Gundam.
No. Uso’s machine was drastically better and didn’t have to worry about battle damage ever. He wasn’t in a GunEZ or Gunblaster, the Victory was a top of the line MS. The RX-78-2 was matched in performance by not only Zeon, but a number of GM variants and significantly better Gundam models that fared *worse* against Zeon. Because Amuro was genuinely a terrific pilot.

> What is your criteria for Uso barely performing better than Amuro?
Being in a cheat code MS that gets weapons later that can destroy fleets, that gets an I-field and a whole suite of added weapons, and getting only 30 more kills than OYW Amuro.

>Stop being disingenuous.
No you. There were many other Gundam models and even some GM variants that matched or exceeded the Gundam. There were many MS inferior to the Gundam that were able to fight and destroy those suits. Bernie took out a strictly better Gundam in a Zaku.

>The Rick Dias was top of the line when it rolled out. The Victory is a mass produced suit and everything around it is on an equal playing field.
It was horribly outdated by the time he got it. The Titans were fielding Asshimars and Psyco Gundams by that point. The Victory had no issue keeping up with Zanscare’s latest MS/MA.

>>23319907
Challia took the time to teach Machu how to pilot the GQuuuuuuX without the Omega Psycommu and in the previe for EP11 she is show evading continuous shots from GFreD's Esbits without using the Omega Psycommu and then unlocking a super mode with the active Omega Psycommu ...

>>23311072 (OP)
>Gquacks

>>23311072 (OP)
Honestly I'm more interested in how the SEED Freedom trio would do against the AWotT Celestial Being trio. Mighty Strike Freedom + Infinite Justice Type II + Destiny Type II vs 00 Qan[T] + Zabanya + Harute.

>>23320383
>I can and will count the number that has been official for decades actually, and we can safely say that given how utterly dominant he is in CCA against anybody other than Char, he didn’t spend years dicking around. It’s hilarious to downplay Amuro as getting ~130 kills ever.
You're not counting your fantasies of what could have happened between Zeta and CCA. There are no records. Just your fantasies.
>No.
Uso's suit wasn't drastically better than the competition. Amuro's suit was better than the competition for 90% of his show. Why are you bringing up random shit that didn't appear in MSG? No one cares about irrelevant side Gundam 233. In MSG, two suits matched the Gundam and they were the Gelgoog and Zeong.
>Being in a cheat code MS that gets weapons later that can destroy fleets, that gets an I-field and a whole suite of added weapons, and getting only 30 more kills than OYW Amuro.
V2 only uses the AB once.
Amuro was in a cheat code mobile suit that could destroy battleships, had armor that shrugged off enemy fire including bazookas, beam sabers that melted through nearly anything it went up against, could enter the atmosphere on its own while everything else burnt up, could jump so high it looked like it was flying and had computer software that upgraded itself after battle.

>No you. There were many other Gundam models and even some GM variants that matched or exceeded the Gundam.
No there aren't. The only Gundam in 0079 is the one Amuro uses.
>It was horribly outdated by the time he got it. The Titans were fielding Asshimars and Psyco Gundams by that point.
No it wasn't. There was one Asshimar and one Psycho Gundam by that point and Amuro was in a Dias for a couple episodes. Like 2 or 3 battles iirc.

>>23311072 (OP)
>>23311830
>Unicorn not in the OP and disqualified in the second pic
You’re AFRAID

>>23312586
Barbatos has no feats indicating it can survive a blast from a beam rifle that completely vaporized a colony.

>>23320383
>machine that constantly needed to have its parts switched out because basic bitch grunt fire destroyed them
>machine that got away without a scratch when the basic bitch grunts hosed it down with their weapons
One of these sounds a lot stronger than the other.

>>23314080
Zero’s Beam Rifles at full power can completely envelop a fucking colony, you would have to be either extremely close or extremely far away from Wing Zero to avoid getting caught in the blast.

>>23320442
>You're not counting your fantasies of what could have happened between Zeta and CCA.
He fought in three wars offscreen and you dismiss it as "nah he probably got 0 kills". You're being silly.
>Uso's suit wasn't drastically better than the competition.
Yes it was. The GunEZ was more than a match for the Zoloat for instance, and the Victory Gundam was orders of magnitude better than the GunEZ. Then he gets the V2 which trivializes literally everything Zanscare has and only ever takes damage to its optional mounted equipment.
>Why are you bringing up random shit that didn't appear in MSG?
>No there aren't. The only Gundam in 0079 is the one Amuro uses.
It's relevant to the setting, even if it is inconvenient for your downplaying of Amuro. Sorry.
>In MSG, two suits matched the Gundam and they were the Gelgoog and Zeong.
Ramba Ral was able to hand him his ass in the Gouf and Amuro went up against mobile armors in space that made the Gundam look like shit. The Braw Bro and Elmeth were fleet killers and he fucked them up.

>Amuro was in a cheat code mobile suit
So were a dozen other pilots and not one of them performed as well as Amuro. Remind me how the Mudrock performed?
>No it wasn't. There was one Asshimar and one Psycho Gundam by that point and Amuro was in a Dias for a couple episodes. Like 2 or 3 battles iirc.
I don't even get the point you think you're making here.

>>23320456
Mobile suits that can more easily harm the Gundam start showing up early into the series, with the Gouf, Dom, amphibious mobile suits, mobile armors, Gelgoog, and Zeong all being credible threats. How often does the Gundam's shield get blown apart? How often does Amuro sit tight and tank bazooka shots or mega particle beams instead of dodging them?

>>23320459
>full power can completely envelop a fucking colony
That's not what actually happens. It's large enough to shoot through a colony, not envelope it. The light is from the colony blowing up

>>23320459
>>23320481
I am on neither side of this but here's the webm

>>23320472
>He fought in three wars offscreen and you dismiss it as "nah he probably got 0 kills". You're being silly.
I didn't say he probably got zero kills. I said you can't count something you didn't see. There is no kill count for those offscreen battles so you can't try to include them.
>Yes it was. The GunEZ was more than a match for the Zoloat for instance, and the Victory Gundam was orders of magnitude better than the GunEZ. Then he gets the V2 which trivializes literally everything Zanscare has and only ever takes damage to its optional mounted equipment.
The GunEz is barely weaker than the Victory going by stats. The V2 gets beat up on multiple times in the show. Faula would have killed Uso if he didn't get help.
>It's relevant to the setting,
Nope.
>Ramba Ral was able to hand him his ass in the Gouf and Amuro went up against mobile armors in space that made the Gundam look like shit. The Braw Bro and Elmeth were fleet killers and he fucked them up.
Ral? The same guy who said Amuro only won because of the Gundam's strength? That guy? The Braw Bro and Elmeth barely even fought the Gundam. The Elmeth espeically wasn't even a real battle. Amuro shooting down the funnels is skillful but stop pretending that those MA were using their "fleet" destroying power on Amuro.
>So were a dozen other pilots
Nope
>I don't even get the point you think you're making here.
That Amuro wasn't at any perceived disadvantage for long since he barely used the suit and he only fought one of each of those suits...with help.

>>23320567
>I didn't say he probably got zero kills. I said you can't count something you didn't see. There is no kill count for those offscreen battles so you can't try to include them.
You shouldn't have brought kill counts in then. You knew they necessarily weren't complete. If you'd rather put Uso's 79 days of experience up against Amuro's involvement in four separate wars, that's fine by me.
>The GunEz is barely weaker than the Victory going by stats
The GunEZ doesn't have the ability to replace its damaged parts on the fly and doesn't have addons that make it even better. Hence your qualifier of 'going by stats', because you know that the Victory is obviously better.
>Ral? The same guy who said Amuro only won because of the Gundam's strength? That guy?
He lost a completely clean fight and got sour grapes. That's all.
>Nope.
>Nope
Yes. You just don't like them being brought up because it shows how exceptional Amuro really was. Shit, I didn't even want to compare him to Uso, because Uso is exceptional too, I just think downplaying the 'ace of aces' is silly.

>>23320617
Forgot the webm
Fun fact - at this point in production, the Gouf was considered to have a beam saber, but that was retconned with the Gelgoog and Gyan so they had the first Zeon beam sabers.

>>23320617
>You shouldn't have brought kill counts in then.
Nobody counts things that happened off screen in no discussion ever.
>The GunEZ doesn't have the ability to replace its damaged parts on the fly and doesn't have addons that make it even better.
It doesn't need add-ons to make it even better. It has more weapons than the base Victory. Most suits don't have the ability to replace parts on the fly but you aren't going to call them worse than the Victory due to that.
>He lost a completely clean fight and got sour grapes. That's all.
He lost to a far superior suit that in your own gif leapt a thousand feet into the air and all stats have the Gundam far above the Gouf. Far more than the Victory is above the GunEz.
>Yes.
Nope. Not canon to MSG. I'm not counting them because they have nothing to do with MSG when it was developed. Tomino had no hand in making them. There were no other Gundams in MSG. There were no custom GM. Non of that is canon anyway. Only what's animated is canon.

>>23320359
This is true. A lot of ZZfags and Victoryfags are like this
>Judau is the best because he made Haman PISS HER PANTS in fear!!
>Uso is the best, look at how many grunts he killed!!

>>23320648
>Nobody counts things that happened off screen in no discussion ever.
All the more reason you should have known better than to bring in kill counts, something that can only be speculated on for Amuro's later years, as opposed to keeping it to feats. Amuro canceling out beam rifle shots with his funnel is even more impressive than Uso canceling beam rifle shots with his own, and that's a fact.
>It has more weapons than the base Victory.
It has more 'optional' weapons than the base Victory. Notably not the V-Dash, which offers a huge general performance boost and added firepower.
>He lost to a far superior suit that in your own gif leapt a thousand feet into the air and all stats have the Gundam far above the Gouf. Far more than the Victory is above the GunEz.
Hilariously, the specs for the Gouf and RX-78-2 aren't even far apart (generator output of 1,034 vs 1,380). Ramba Ral won their first fight perfectly fine, but got outskilled on the rematch.
Whereas, say, the V2 and Gottrlatan are ridiculously far apart (7,510 vs 6,170) and the V2's total thruster output is officially 'immeasurable'. Shit's a borderline super robot and Uso is the better pilot for barely winning with it?
>Only what's animated is canon.
That's your (and a lot of /m/'s) personal headcanon. Nothing more.

>>23320648
>>23320707
Also anon this is going on way longer than I expected and I think we're not going to see eye-to-eye, so I'm tapping out if that's okay with you.

>>23320707
>All the more reason you should have known better than to bring in kill counts
You didn't refute the kill counts. You're trying to make up additional kills for Amuro and that's not happening. We're using what we actually know.
>It has more 'optional' weapons than the base Victory. Notably not the V-Dash, which offers a huge general performance boost and added firepower.
The Dash offers a small performance boost while adding 3 tons more weight.
>>23320726
I was in the middle of typing a reply but alright, we can stop.

>>23320727
It's no big deal, and I found it fun, but it's also exhausting having a shitton of different pages open and going through all sorts of interviews and shit. Thanks for going back and forth with me though.

>>23311072 (OP)
Whatever team Amuro is on

>>23311103
these are all better than the mecha girls /trash/ threads