Thread 23312205

Formerly known as SF3D.

>>23312205 (OP)
It seems Akira Tani will be the owner of Maschinen Krieger once Yokoyama shit the bed.

>>23312212
Akira Tani is old and tired as fuck and has retired from mecha model kit sculpting like 10 times. I seriously doubt he wants anything to do with managing Kow's tiny empire.
Plus, Kow hasn't sculpted the masters for his model kits for a long ass time. Especially now, it's all CAD and the dude can barely use photoshop.
It's like saying Tani deserves to own FSS since he sculpted all the best Mortar Headd models.


Bonus: old Kow Yokoyama fantasy art from the 80's when he was doing all the freelance RPG work with Amano.

>>23312264
Great pic.

Yokoyama has a pretty chill life playing soccer for seniors, I hope he has some really enjoyable years left in him.

>>23312264
>Akira Tani is old and tired as fuck
He is still around.

>>23312303
He is still painting models in his free time. I just hope the brand has a worthy successor instead of being contorted into another normie friendly mecha.

>>23312321
Tani retired from Kaiyodo in 2023 after 26 years. But he keeps working on FSS stuff so who knows. Nagano has some big pull I guess. And JP work ethic.
Not that I am complaining, he's a god hand.
And remastering scans of old sculpts in CAD must have been insane. I can't even imagine. The whole line of Artpla Sculpture works is brilliant.

More vintage Kow to be slightly on topic. Another joint project with Amano, this time for Front Mission.

>>23312331
I mean, he has had a film option in Hollywood since 2017. What's more normie than that?

>>23312374
>Tani retired from Kaiyodo in 2023 after 26 years.
He is still working for them. The new MP Eva and SturmKafer kits are his. He is currently working under the alias OZ ltd

https://x.com/kaiyodo_PR/status/1853980625058906188

>>23312447
That film will never gonna be real.

>>23312495
I kinda hope it happens just for Kow's sake, seeing a movie made of his stuff and the financial gain he would get from it would be a nice reward at this later stage of his life.

Some Carnage Heart mecha designed by Kow

>>23313212
As long as Wave, Hasegawa and Kaiyodo pay him well, that's all good. Hollywood is just a troublesome thing, especially nowadays.

>>23313264
Yeah, even the Gundam movie is in development hell (assuming the project hasn't been quietly cancelled).

>>23312212
Love the Artpla Ma.K kits. Built and painted up both a PAK Kröte and Großer Hund, had a blast with both. Really crossing my fingers that they do an Artpla set for the Gans somewhere down the line. Seems inevitable seeing as they already have the tooling for the Kuster chasis.

>>23312374
it's a bit of a shame that post FM1 kow's influence isn't really there anymore
he designed the tiran, giza and bizant but the one that only looks even slightly close to his art in modern media is the bizant

>>23313365
>>23313264
tbf I feel like something like a MAK movie could be easier to make than a gundam one. A lot of niche franchises get movies because it's cheap and the brand complains less.
Higher chance of it being "in name only" and it has nothing really to do with it though.

Either way I'd want a full toku production for MAK over a hollywood one any day. Maybe even for gundam as well lol

>>23313463
Kaiyodo already did the retool from Krote/Kuster for Kangaroo. Luna gans is down the line, but that depends how fast they want to churn more out.
My Kaiyodo's Kangaroo build.

>>23313486
I love Kow's design of the Galaga fighter from 20? years ago

>>23313805
i wouldn't be surprised if it predates 2005 with how much he pops up in random game art...

so is there definitive proof yet that this was the guy that designed the mechs for phantom crash? His Ma.k stuff looks like it could exist in the same universe. Did he ghost design these under an alias? or did some guy just rip off his designs?

>>23316143
I've been looking this up and the most I could find is that someone else, Ichiro Kojima, is credited for the designs, and he's a known artist who's worked on other games.
But yokoyama did work on the paint schemes/patterns, and also has a credit in the game for this. Any time he did art for other games he's properly credited though.

Maybe he supervised. Maybe this kojima guy was a bit of an understudy or something. I dunno.

>>23316165
Googled it again and this Ichiro Kojima fellow is also the director of the game so who knows. That's what the credits say I guess lol

>>23316165
so he 100% was involved to some capacity with the game? yeah maybe he did some light design work and refined some of the designs in addition to the paint schemes. i wouldnt be surprised if he put some work into the designs but just didnt get credit because it was mostly the other guy. i think that happens in game credits and it wouldnt be surprising in a small obscure budget game for that to happen.

i was thinking of getting a few of these MA.K kits (which i already found cool) and maybe panting them up in a paint scheme from the game. ive always liked the ma.k stuff i saw in hobby shops but being a gundam and a warhammer modeler i didnt want to get into a new thing before.

would be kino of someone just put the models out to 3d print the machines. a lot of them painted properly would probably just look like ma.k shit.

Yokoyama's rendition of Sunrise's mechs are charming, his Scopedog is abit...eh, but his Hizack is completely superior compares to Kazumi Fujita's rendition. I wish this design is the canon one.

any good artbooks or magazines to get a better look at ma.k models/ paintschemes?

uhh bros? hello? can you hear me?

>>23316726
damn that's so sick
>>23312205 (OP)
working on my mk44 after I had to take a break because of life stuff. it's still in the wip stage but it's coming along nicely

>>23317872
good shit anon

>>23317892
thanks :)

>>23316725
Kow paints the Bound Doc for an early B-club issue

>>23318052
i'm surprised i don't really see the baund doc a whole lot in kondo's gundam manga, it seems like a good fit for his kow-adjacent style

>>23316143
He worked on the Kileak designs by the same developer.

>>23318150
Well, Baundoc is Kobayashi's design. And if you follow Kobayashi on twitter, he hates Kondo with a burning passion and accuses him of plagiarism. If Kondo wants to avoid everything Kobayashi has made then it is pretty understandable.

>>23319478
>friends with kow
>not friends with kondo for whatever reason
man i wish i never found out he had a twitter account

>>23319538
This is probably the most hostile rivalry between mecha designers that i have ever seen. Kobayashi completely trash talked Kondo with not a single grain of respect.

>>23319538
>friends with kow
Which is surprising considering they strongly disagree on politics. Kobayashi is far right and Yokoyama is quite liberal.

>>23319585
You will get even more surprised to know that Kobayashi and Katoki are close friends.

>>23319538
i cant see a person like kow making enemies, he seems way too chill

>>23319649
Different political opinion shouldn't be the basis of friendship and rivalry.

>>23319555
For years I thought it was interesting that Kondo used Kobayashi's Dragon's Heaven design as The-O II in Kondo's manga stories. I assumed it was because they were friends with similiar design styles and Kobayashi was cool with it. This drawing is by Kondo. To think that he was simply using Kobayashis designs like this all those years without Kobayashi's consent blows my fucking mind.

>>23319690
To be fair, Kobayashi doesn't own Gundam so what Kondo did legally wasn't in the wrong. However, the matter of integrity remains to be questioned because he can't just use another person's design and claim it was his. I don't believe Kondo steals everything from Kobayashi, i just think in this isolated incident, he is wrong.

>>23319585
Those two things aren't the same in Japan as they are in the west.

>>23319649
>>23319655
Japanese people don't generally have the same brainworm that makes them hate people with different poltical opinions.

>>23318150
Here is Kondo's Bound Doc from a 1987 issue of Hobby Japan.

>>23319555
>>23319690
This is the kind of scenario where I need it laid out way more clearly than this to come to any conclusion.
Definitely not through a filter of auto translated twitter posts.

>>23319802
The conclusion is that Kobayashi hates Kondo. What more do you want to know?

>>23319781
man that thing is dragging on the ground, must be a popular suit to pilot with women

>>23319781
I can see why Kobayashi gets mad at Kondo. The small details are different but the overall shape is pretty much the same, especially how this thing is supposed to be a non canon concept art.

>>23319649
Well he actually had a fallout with Hobby Japan over copyright of SF3D, which eventually led to his departure. This lead to Yokoyama working on videogames, especially Front Mission series.

>>23318052
It is kinda funny how prototype design of Baundoc is legally known as Gampf in Dragon's Heaven nowadays. A total loss of identity.

anyone know what robit this is? I know it's not the lancelot or powered suit cmsf-ro73, and I really want the kit if it has one.

>>23321382
It is a robot exists in Robot Battle V universe but it stays as a concept art without a specific nickname.

>>23321449
oh weird, that bottom left one is CemeteryKeeper from carnage heart.
does the moonrunes on the robot battle robot not translate to a name?

>>23321473
You can see he changed some details from RBV to Carnage Heart. Also, the robot you are looking for seems to resemble this specific Tiran from Front Mission.

>>23321444
:(

>>23321382
it kinda look like this one, just a bit

>>23322207
400+ dollars on ebay!!!! I wish hasegawa would just re issue kits

>>23322780
Strange to think the company that greenlit this Dorvack was Gunze ( Mr Hobby ).
Also, SF3D and Hyper Dorvack Document make me wish there are more Starship Troopers themed modelkits.

>>23322893
I actually have that kit on my wish list, I just watched the ova (ngl it kinda sucks) but the suit is really cool and I would probably end up doing some minor kit bashing to it.

>>23320314
I don't care if they're best buddies, I just wanted know if there's plagarism.

>>23322935
I mean, Kondo lost his job at Kodansha, so that's probably true i guess. But that does not mean you should either discredit Kondo as a designer or accuse Kobayashi of being a bitter asshole. People are not squeaky clean.

bumping

>>23314905
Love this. What's inside the big hump?

>>23324639
the engine

>>23324627
since when did MaK have normal-looking tanks?

>>23324685
Pretty MaK has everything that yokoyama once kitbashed and said "yeah sure that can go in".

>>23325011
mm, fair enough.

>>23324685
that's not a normal looking tank the smg anons on /toy/ made that painfully clear with their bitching

>>23325163
man, they can shut the fuck up. they're not /k/

almost finished! just need to varnish, add decals, weather decals, and varnish again.

>>23325282
This is really shaping up to be top-notch, anon

>>23312205 (OP)
i should really start building my fireball kit sometime

>>23324672
huh. So where does it go on the ones without the hump?

>>23325531
thank you :D I'm really proud of him so far

>>23325205
they are unironically worse

>>23328785
i wonder how gay and retarded a model-painting general on /k/ would be

and done :)

>>23321382
600dpi scans
https://archive.org/details/logi-n-june-1985/LOGiN%20-%20June%201985/

>>23333921
nice!

>>23317273
Two Factory by Makoto Kobayashi and Kow Yokoyama https://www.amazon.com/Factory-Yokoyama-Makoto-Kobayashi-Book/dp/4891893370

>>23331119

I've seen a few. They're not bad until the bbc spammers and /pol/shills show up.

>>23333921
Nice. Weathering the decals is always a good move.

>>23335143
do you just do it by cutting up the sticker

>>23334573
>>23335143
thank you :)
>>23338229
it's a water slide decal, I put it on as is and then sponge on paint and use rust and grime effects on to to basically stain the light paint chips. after that I use an oil drop filter to blend them into the surface more.

What if?

>>23339923
that makes for a pretty decent front fairing, honestly.

>>23339923
a power suit in a power suit is always cool

>>23341142
it's a bike

I didn't see there was a thread.. Are any anons here in possession of orthographic images of Maschinen Krieger kits or high res images from the manuals that I can use as reference for 3d modeling? Much love from /3/ <3

>>23342366
i got nothin, sorry. hopefully the dubs bring you luck and fortune

>>23346464
i want one of these, seriously why is ma.k so expensive!!!!

>>23321382
from 1985, by makoto kobayashi
there's no name associated with these so they might be scratchbuilt, sorry anon

>>23347919
at this point I'm just going to buy some cheap 1/35 scale kits and bash em together to make my own. honestly I really wish ma.k had more of a presence in the west.

>>23346464
I'm gonna be controversial and say my least favorite thing is that he went for the at-st stick legs at some point and never looked back.
I mean it'd be a good and easy conversion to bulk them out again and it'd be very much in the spirit to do that, but still. Skinny little legs.

>>23348577
You can easily bulk them up with some putty or spare parts.

>>23348577
best of luck, anon
that's probably how they were designed in the first place

>>23312205 (OP)

Cool, reminds me of the Metal Slug power armor.

>>23320364
i always liked kondo better. He picks kobayashy's gooey near-giger design sand turns it into something more realistic and military-looking. This is why i have a bunch of Kondo's artbooks while kobayashi just gets a few pinterest pins

>>23350330
>pinterest
post tits

>>23350330
Lol, are you still buying that "Kobayashi alien mech" meme? His designs are varied in aesthetic, some looks completely alien while the others look like industrial machines.

>>23350435
Meanwhile Kondo's aesthetic borrows alot from Kobayashi but with his own input of scifi realism. His mechs look more brutal and less toyetic compares to their anime counterpart. These guys are like apple and orange in a way, similar at first sight but alot more distinct as time passed.

>>23350330
Is that a Sazabi?

>>23350461
It's ground type Sazabi with bunch of zimmerit pasted on.

>>23350476
Cool

>>23348623
The King Krote at least bulks up the legs a bit by essentially doubling the support frames and hydraulics.

>>23350585
I just realized that Krote literally means "toad", not wonder the head light looks like an eye.

>>23350703
The vehicles like this one and the Gladiator that use a modified SAFS/Melusine torso for the pilot seem like they'd be nightmare to pilot. It's less like you're sitting inside a cockpit and more like you're wearing your vehicle. Except its completely inhumanoid and at best you can move your head around a bit.

>>23350788
I love how his head is poking out

>>23350788
i hope the padding's just to keep the head safe from collisions and there's actually a normal cockpit under there.
the hafs goblin is also like that, but that thing is ancient and sorta just exists as a conversion of the jerry nowadays

>>23350888
I really can't wrap my head around how a person gets in/out of the Gladiator. I don't see any seamlines that imply that the front end can open up in any meaningful way. Obviously its a non issue and Kow probably just wanted to make a cool looking spider robot, but I still like to imagine all the silly ways a person could wiggle into it.

>>23351193
These seem to imply that the wearer's arms actually sit inside the bulbous part of the torso, while the arms of the suit are completely robotic. Official materials seem to flip back and forth on where the wearers arms actually go though.

>>23352358
For vehicles I can go either way, they're usually a little more bulked out so there's more room to the imagination, but power armor where you actually control it by a tiny little panel near your chest always bugs me. I feel like it's even usually just a post-hoc justification because an artist just didn't bother making it anatomically possible.
With MaK you can also go the third route and say it's a robot, but I also like it when there's motifs for that as well.

>>23350788
Not really. It is probably similar to Kangaroo. This robot is a repurposed Ausf suit with Kuster parts. It has regular cockpit as you can see, if Gladiator uses movement-based control like Pacific Rim, it would be absolute hell to pilot.

>>23353460
oh wow, i didn't even pick up that it had kuster parts.

Had a dream last night where I went to my local antique store and they had a shelf full of Ma.K kits of all shapes and sizes. Wtf bros its not fair.

>>23356994
Ngl, Ma.K is one of the brand that i wish it was a normiefags thing. Would be cool to have these kits readily available everywhere.

>>23357019
The idea of Ma.K having its own little chain of stores like those GW Warhammer stores does sound kinda awesome.

>>23356994
I go to that exact shop sometimes. The Ma.K stuff is absurdly expensive though for some reason, like 300 AUD for a gans

>>23357205
No joke, the most expensive kit in my backlog was Wave's Krote. Such a spicy pricetag for a simple modelkit. These Ma.K kits feel like those overpriced Garage Kits, they don't offer much in term of size and complexity, you buy them for the aesthetic, that's it.

>>23356994
PAAAAASTUUUURES 'A PLEEEEEENTYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

>>23357205
$300 AUD is outrageous, but the Gans is kinda rare and expensive right now. I was looking for one on ebay earlier this summer and they were routinely going for around $115 USD. I was lucky enough to have gotten one of the reprints of it for like $45 USD when I was in high school, but the quality of the build/paint job very much reflects that of a high schooler's work. I wound up settling for an $85 USD Luna Gans since it was a North American seller.

>>23357338
oof I thought it was bad being in the us but I forget how expensive australia is, honestly might be cheaper for you to just fly to japan and stock up on kits

>>23357338
I have no idea Lunagans is that rare. I just built mine yesterday and thought it is just another common Krote retool. There is a Ma.K enthusiast in my place and he is also a retailer so i managed to get it for 80 dollars, well different currency but around that after currency exchange.

>>23359365
>I just built mine yesterday
share pictures of your wip please

>>23359365
I'm not sure if the Luna Gans is particularly rare, but the regular Gans with the missile pods on the sides last reprint was 2021, so its a little hard to come by right now.

>>23359365
wow that's not bad

>>23359424
I'm wasting for the cement and putty to dry before painting. Kitbashed some weapons on it, too. It will be the usual military green with some red.

>>23360323
And painted

>>23360491
He's great

>>23319702
>Japanese people don't generally have the same brainworm that makes them hate people with different poltical opinions.

>>23360660
No no i will give him this one. Destroy the commie before they fool enough people.

>>23319690
I for one do not care about this. Kobayashi GAVE that design to the Gundam universe. It is now fair game for anyone to use it. What makes this different from the Zaku or Gouf? Why don't you need Okawara's permission to draw them?

>>23360748
Except most of later Zaku expy have been using different linearts and differ themselves from Okawara's linearts. Ebikawa didn't copypaste Akitaka's Jarja lineart for Gyagya, Gyobu didn't copy Okawara's Zaku for his Zaku 4, and so on. What Kobayashi accuses Kondo of is a straight up copypasting instead of doing his own version of the design.

>>23360727
>>23360660
that's about hating _people_
stabbing commies isn't attacking people

>>23360494
this is good shit mang

>>23360323
>>23360491
>>23360494
nice! he looks cool

>>23350461
ye

>Books not available on sadpanda
That's a new one. Anyone know where I can buttpirate this stuff?

>>23365204
they're expensicve

>>23365618
Yes, that's why I want to pirate it for free

>>23365948
it's epxdensive to buy in the first place

>>23367090
>>23365204
Half the shit uploaded there regarding artbooks and production stuff are expensive. It's 90% seemingly just if someone wants to upload it. There are brave souls uploading literally everything gundam they can get their hands on, or ancient doujin pamphlets or whatever, so it's just waiting for the guy who wants to do that with something else.

>>23367090
damn a book so epxdensive that nobody can afford it

>>23365204
There is a scan of Yokoyama's sketch book on ehentai.

https://e-hentai.org/g/1690509/8ab9309476/

>>23367479
nta but I swear that I've looked him up before there and found nothing. This is some good stuff though.

>>23367494
There is not many scans of his works. But atleast ehentai has 2 books uploaded, the other is Front Mission.

>>23313212
download link for carnage heart 2 concept art if you want it
https://fixupx.com/CypressDahlia/status/1651455733580349441

>>23367479
Thanks anon, I was hoping to mooch tech off lincoln's paintjobs but I'll be just as happy to eat that.

>>23367689
i got the first 2 books but no photocopier, do you want any particular page?

>>23369396
Pics of painted models would be great. I want to study professional weathering techniques.

>>23360660
>1 fierce Chinaman VS a billion mindbroken Americans from 2015 and counting

>>23352704
>For vehicles I can go either way, they're usually a little more bulked out so there's more room to the imagination, but power armor where you actually control it by a tiny little panel near your chest always bugs me. I feel like it's even usually just a post-hoc justification because an artist just didn't bother making it anatomically possible.
It's something you just have to accept when it comes to this stuff, they can design any number of elaborate illustrations or sequences that are supposed to show how the thing is put on or controlled, but taken as a whole it's easy to see the flaws. For the armour in M.D. Geist, they included a little explainer insert with the video explaining how the armour's power is down to the wearer's athleticism.

>>23367508
which wanzer was this supposed to be again?

>>23357205
I could very well see myself rationalizing spending that kind of money on the Oskar as much as I hate to say. Especially since as an American the only way I'd find myself in that shop would be during a hypothetical vacation. Nice vacation and coming home with a rare Ma.K kit? Yea I'll pay the mark up.

>>23370322
You can find plenty of Yokoyama's builds on his facebook. His twitter is pretty inactive but it got some, too. The way he weathering his kits is charming, not overly done or being too fancy, just the right amount.

>>23373857
shit i didn't even know he had those

post stashes!

>>23376309
damn, nice! my fireball just arrived today so I look forward to building him.

>>23376889
I also ordered this figure with the fireball and holy shit is it amazing
zero and no mean zero mold lines
no flash no clean up required
the helmet is even the helmet is made out of pewter. I've built some of the older kits and they are pretty good but require some tlc. the figure I posted with my MK44 itt was really nice but needed some work. this figure on the other hand *which I'm assuming is much more recent? it says 2009 on the bag but I think it's a newer* is flawless. I'm honestly really impressed.

>>23376309
Not that big as a collection, but i'm still proud of it. Will buy Falke and Nutrocker soon.

>>23367122
so exspensif

>>23375741
And now you know.

>>23376309
I’m traveling for my job but I have a 1/35 Wald Geist, 1/20 Großer Hund, Altair, Vega/Altair, Maskenball, Mk44 Whiteknight, and maintinence figure set A. Just need to clean my airbrush (& order some paints) and I can get to work!

>>23383691
thank you

>>23325600
didja get started on them yet?

>>23367514
Some of these concepts are extremely cool and some are hopelessly phoned in, but the rugged aesthetic never gets old

>>23393723
yeah it's great

I don't have any primer and the hobby store doesn't open until 11 tomorrow :(

>>23394703
I got my primer today but it's raining :(

>>23396484
fuck dude

Where do you get ideas/inspirations for paintschemes from, especially camo patterns?

>>23404152
it's all countershading, sharks are a good example