how did this whore who undressed for a random hobo and slept semi-naked beside him and who went crazy piloting a Gundam suddenly became an emo edgy meme shit.
this show doesn't have a constant direction at all.

also
>Gihren appeared just to die after 2 minutes of screentime

>spammer got tired of being called a retard so he just made his own thread

lol

>23314637
She’s always been an edgy emo shit you secondary

>>23314661
Not at all.

This show seems designed as if it expects the viewer to fill in the gaps and imagine a time where the three heroes were happy together and creating a genuine bond, even though in reality they barely knew each other, didn't seem concerned about each other's safety and the girls in specific seemed to have more negative than positive interactions. On top of that this show seems to take the Newtype connection which often seems pure and a window between souls in the other series and makes it seem like a addictive acid trip that makes you prone to decision making that will destroy your life, and I'm the case of Nyaan and Deux , can make you go berserk. So its hard to believe Nyaan's connection with the other two in these circumstances is a particularly good thing.

>>23314661
>I didn't watch the show but I want to defend it
why?

I dunno, I really feel like some kind of betrayal or misunderstanding should have spurred her to go full ruthless killer mode.
Instead this is all just a result of her being upset that Machu was a jealous cunt, which I can understand to an extent, but now we got her murdering unarmed lab technicians on whim.
You'd think Kycillia being motherly to her would mellow her out not make her worse.

She's getting hormonal surges because Shuuji left a bun in her oven.

>>23314669
>>23314675
>ignoring she’s been depicted as a loner that refuses to open up from the start
The only time she deviates from this is after the clan bat where she excitedly tries to tell Machu about experiencing the kira-kira

>>23314710
that's not being edgy. that's being lonely since she's a refugee

>>23314712
Fair and true, I concede. Being aggressive towards Xavier when he asked to try her cooking did come out of nowhere

>>23314715
based for being a mature civilized poster

last episode was basically Evangelion 3.1

>>23314673
>makes it seem like a addictive acid trip that makes you prone to decision making that will destroy your life
That's literally what happens in Zeta as well
Maybe you should actually watch Gundam

>>23314637 (OP)
>suddenly became an emo edgy meme shit.

quiet blue character vs loud red character is oldest anime trope

>>23314764
Psycommu backlash isn't remotely close to what kirakira is

>>23314764
Why do newfags think they can make broad oversimplifications like this and think they won't get called out?

>>23314637 (OP)
she is a woman
gundam has an overarching message about women

>>23314764
Kamille was self destructive before he had any run In with psycommu, and when he finally did fuck around with psycommu tech in the end it lead him to helping the ZZ kids and getting closer with Fa.
It's just making Nyaan bloodthirsty and reckless, and looks like it was fucking Deux up too.

>>23314673
Drugtheoryfaggot has posted.

>>23314813
If you think only one person has picked up on it being addictive in this show, you're nuts.

>>23314813
Retarded faggot has posted.

>>23314940
I fully agree. The drugfag spammer is a retarded faggot. He has been at it since the movie came out. Thank you.

>>23314813
I didn't know anyone was denying it anymore after Deux.

>>23314958
Admitting you were wrong is impossible for some.

Now he is samefagging trying to defend the honor of his retarded theory.

>>23314952
I was talking about you, retard. Thanks for proving my point.

>>23314764
No, the only reason Kamille freaks out is because it turns out playing host to a bunch of dead people is hardcore shit that sets your brains on fire.

>>23314764
Way to fucking out yourself, faggot. Lmao

>>23314637 (OP)
>became an emo edgy meme shit.
they ruined best girl? so glad I dropped this shitshow before that then

I haven't started his thing yet, but it's just me or people watching it are talking about anything but /m/ stuff? Seems like some reverse h/a/rem/shoujo shit, even worse than Witch for Mercury

Anon who was mad about her abruptly going back to seeking Shuji for seemingly no reason in one of the comfy threads here
I think I got it
The reason she did it all that way is because she's a woman

>>23316455
This show is really uc fan fiction about chalia bull, kycilia, and a seldom seen Char scheeming in a setting were Char stole the Gundam and Amuro didn't pilot it. The lead girls exist to pilot Gundams and be led around by what's going on. Vaguely similar to how the wing boys were adapting to a constantly changing setting. There's one male "love interest." He is a Lalah expy who barely has a personality and exists to create some conflict for the girls while also exposing them to newtype shit.
That's your most simplified description of this show.

>>23316455
You see, unlike other mecha shows, this one focuses on the characters.

>>23316549
I wish.

>>23316455
Because the show is about the girls, not mecha

>>23316469

>>23314637 (OP)
Nyaan would have been fine but they probably cut the story down from 24 episodes to 12. So there just was not much time to tell her story.

zeon found a way to grow some psycho Jenny's to be real strong newtypes to probably be able to use the bfg multiple times without dying

>>23314637 (OP)
Because she lost everything and then got groomed by a baddie. Did you even watch the show?

Never knows best.

>>23314686
>Kycillia
>not making thing worse.

>>23314686
Kycilia groomed her into this. Machu’s betrayal and Shuji’s rejection just isolated her and opened her up to that. If you think Kycilia’s a positive influence on her then you’re really not paying attention.

>>23314637 (OP)
Bets on how long it will be before she kills Machu's mother? I give or take by episode 20.

I find the show pretty consistent with its characters, Nyaan is no exception.
She's a powerless refugee who need to survive day-to-day and had no social support in her life whatsoever before meeting Shuuji and Machu, hence her extreme self-centeredness and lack of empathy. She grew possessive of Shuuji as a source of security and later empowerment after ep5, latching on to him as if she's drowning by ep7. It didn't help that she tried to get along with Machu and shut that off after the latter lost her shit in ep.6.
It's only natural that she later got lured in by Kycilia, kept Xavier at bay due to growing distrust, and, after one last kira-kira, went off the deep end.

>>23318290
>by episode 20
Anon, I...

>a show where 90% of the writing is "fill the gap yourself"

>>23314741
They even mention Unit 13

>>23318879
>please spell everything out for me!

>>23314637 (OP)
>become
She was always an emo orphan, speedwatcher.

>>23318879
>a show that filter 100% of tourists and secondaries*
FTFY

>>23314637 (OP)
Nyaaaannnn is NOT a whore

>>23319070
>dude just write fanfics in your head and treat them as canon
>>23319073
>dude le filter meme which means this shit show is good by the power of buzzwords!
Moe/loli pedos, everyone

>>23319080
>AIslop
definitely a whore

>>23314673
A lot of modern shows are like this.
Take, for instance, the ending sequence, which shows Machu and Nyaan enjoying a comfy college lifestyle playing around, painting their toenails, playing instruments together. But this situation never happens - Nyaan barely lives in a tiny Tokyo-style apartment and Machu quasi-lives with her mom. There was never any time for such a bond to take place, neither before Shuji disappeared or after. So what's the point of it? Am I being expected to imagine a fun teenage drama somewhere in the middle of all of this?
ClanBat, also, suggests that Machu and Shuji fought many many more MS off-screen and we just didn't see them. Is this to make room for side manga or what?

>>23314673
>>23319137
Welcome to your first Tsurumaki's anime. All their works are like this. You are not allowed to skip any line or text or image.
It's actually a very outdated form to do an anime and heavy panders to otaku that are willing to catch any references.
But even here there are things that people can normally pick up. Like for example watch all the interactions between Machu and Nyaan before episode 5, and you would see that they are some visual interference when they are together. and the only moment when they are in a true one to one, Machu only talks about something she needs or about Shuji, ignoring Nyaan. Even if this last one is very eager to please her.

This show is frustrating.
On one hand, it’s really dense with information and expects you to pay attention. There’s a lot of stuff you need to infer. On the other hand, it’s also really rushed. Even if you do pay attention and catch all those inferences, there’s still plenty of points that are left underdeveloped and half-baked.
That’s not really a bad thing for the show itself, at least not the first one, but it does mean you get the worst of both worlds when discussing it.

>>23319159
>But even here there are things that people can normally pick up. Like for example watch all the interactions between Machu and Nyaan before episode 5, and you would see that they are some visual interference when they are together. and the only moment when they are in a true one to one, Machu only talks about something she needs or about Shuji, ignoring Nyaan. Even if this last one is very eager to please her.
This contributes to a theme and narrative that Machu and Nyaan have never been friends, yet going back to >>23314673 's point, other parts of the show feel like they were written based on such a friendship existing. It's like the writers aren't entirely coordinated, and while the "they're not friends" writers have actually been writing their story and conveying it through visuals as well, the "they're friends" writers have been doing nothing in actuality.

>>23314673
>This show seems designed as if it expects the viewer to fill in the gaps and imagine a time where the three heroes were happy together and creating a genuine bond, even though in reality they barely knew each other
Fanart did this. That's what sly anno the fag had been doing. Fan works can fill the mundane, so you can do lazy shit and focus only on plot points and inflammatory and dramatic waste of characters.

>>23321458
>the audience is engaged and having fun so the series is Bad

>>23319137
>Is this to make room for side manga or what?
MULTI-MEDIA PROJECTS

>>23319159
>Welcome to your first Tsurumaki's anime. All their works are like this. You are not allowed to skip any line or text or image.
The pretension oozing from this post is so immense that I accidentally spat on my keyboard. Do you know where you are, faggot? 80% of this board (rest are wfmtards) has seen everything he's made before they've completed their 100th anime.

why the fuck is the board full of zoomers complaining now?

>>23321451
It's not about they being friends or not. But show how they are not in the same plane so they can't hace a real communication between them. That is basically one of the themes of Gundam since the beginning. It's like Machu and Lalah. Sure Machu can understand Lalah feelings because her own situation, but keeps rejecting the logic behind those feelings.

the bad writing apologists will say "skipping all the characterisation is totally a good thing, show don't tell is nonsense, you just don't pay enough attention if you don't like interesting things happening offscreen" when the very same show had a literal powerpoint presentation of Challia explaining his backstory and character motivation to an audience stand-in in the most matter of fact way possible without the opportunity for the audience infer anything. I think the direction or Gquuuuuux is just bad actually.

>>23321458
Yeah I'm getting to this point of annoyance with how fan-artists make their own head canon and it gets more popular than the actual in-universe media and then the media changes to please fan artists..
This started with Tumblr and shipping.

>>23321667
That's all of 4chan. It's just hyper-aggressive zoomies who want everyone to hate anything they hate.

>>23322057
ESL rant, dne.

>>23322251
Zoomers are the only ones who like GQuuuuuuX and its ADHD pacing though.

>>23322257
I'm 37 and I like it, well enough, but I'm just bored and haven't watched a new anime in a very long time. I feel like I'm just trying to keep up with modern times, because most of the stuff I enjoy these days is "older". Older anime, older games, older books. etc.

Just speaking for myself though. I get why people wouldn't like it, the pacing is very bizarre. I was wondering if this was supposed to be a short series or something, they went from "BFFs with mechs" to "killing each other in a war" in like 3 episodes.

>>23322261
>they went from "BFFs with mechs" to "killing each other in a war"
Not really.

But she didn't even know what she did?

>>23322257
>ADHD pacing
it's good pacing though

>>23314637 (OP)
>this show doesn't have a constant direction at all.
I disagree, I think the show is very consistent
>mother abandoning her children in meaningless fight to the death
>Machu hating Nyaan for taking away what made her special
>Immediately after "reconciling", Nyaan tries to ditch Machu and run off with Shuuji
>Machu exploding at her mother "i thought i could become whatever i wanted"
>Machu exploding at junk dealer "I thought i was supposed to follow my heart"
>Nyaan saying there is not a single person she wants to take with her to Zeon
>Machu risking everything to go to earth, ending up in a whorehouse, immediately going back to space
>Chalia talking about how he the first time he felt free was when he gave up all responsibility and put a gun to his head
really, you can't get much clearer than that. zoomers need to learn to read subtext. this show is for u guys after all

>>23322423
>Immediately after "reconciling"
They never made up, because Nyaan understood immediately that Machu plans didn't include her.
Like that is the whole thing of Nyaan. Wanting to have something that hold her dear and people always letting her down. Except Kycilia, who obviously is using.

>>23322429
>people always letting her down
you are projecting, this isn't implied anywhere

>gquacks defense force can't even defend it well

>>23322429
Nyaan might have thought that but I don't get the impression that Machu planned to ditch Nyaan nor do I feel like she is egoistical enough to pull such a move unlike Nyaan whose number one priority has always been herself

We really need spacefacist Amuro to save this mess.

>>23322675
No we need modest electrical appliance designer Amuro to fix it

>>23322456
the mechanical designs are mediocre and the pacing is all over the place, but when I watch gqux I can really feel the zoomer spite flowing through me. its a classic

>>23322702
I can bet my left nut he will appear in the end with the titans, riding an RX-93 with double funnel wings.

>>23314764
Were you specifically thinking of when Scirocco used his remaining life force to give Kamille brain damage? I can't think of anything else in Zeta that even comes close to matching the negative depiction of psycommu in Gquuuuuux.
And that was literally deliberately weaponized against Kamille.

>>23322722
... why did Gundam make an Eva?

>>23322221
Yeah, this segment really cemented that the "read between the lines" aspect of Machu and Nyaan's relationship is nonsense cope.

>>23319073
It's literally tailor made for wiki skimmers, just like Unicorn though.

>>23322251
I got the impression that GWaldo's defense force were zoomies. That
>UH IT'S JUST LIKE ZETA
guy in this thread, for example.

>>23319137
>next episode
>Machu accuses Nyaan of mass murder
>fight to the death
>cut to the ED, they're playing around together as if they were the best of friends
>this is what could have been
it's going to be beautiful. this show is wasted on you guys
>>23322789
reading between the lines is not necessary. their relationship was only ever superficial. They hate each other. They shouldn't, but they are mindbroken zoomers incapable of friendship, totally alienated from the rest of the world and from each other. This isn't a subtle reading, Gqux is fucking beating you over the head with this. Why do you think Chalia is giving a slideshow monologue about how empty his soul is. Its a show about nihilism

>>23322722
>the mechanical designs are mediocre
Fuck outta here zoomer.

>>23322930
name 1 good gquacks design. phoneposter tourist

>>23322251
>>23322930
This narrative isn't going to stick and you know it.

>>23322913
>They hate each other. They shouldn't,
That's my problem with this show.
It actually makes perfect sense they don't like each other.
So I don't find them fighting each other to be particularly tragic.

>>23314637 (OP)
#RefugeesWelcome

>>23322913
>>next episode
>>Machu accuses Nyaan of mass murder
>>fight to the death
>>cut to the ED, they're playing around together as if they were the best of friends
>>this is what could have been
I'm not ready for this.

>>23322913
>>cut to the ED, they're playing around together as if they were the best of friends
>>this is what could have been
>it's going to be beautiful. this show is wasted on you guys
Who cares? They had 0 positive interactions with eachother. They were just associates who ended up competing for Shuji (who didn't care about either of them). Machu playing around with Challia Bull or one of the Black Tri Stars would have as much weight.

>>23323016
I like the Gyan and Dom redesigns. The various Zakus and Gqux itself look kinda funky in still images, but in practice and motion are pretty slick.

>>23322913
morning sickness Nyannnn.....could Our Baby be kicking already?

Great, another teenager to groom.

It''s a Newtype club for Cool Kids only!

Are you ready for the finale?

>>23325629
She's like 17. Far too old for Char.

>>23326026
Kamille is 17 in Zeta.

>>23326026
Lalah was 17.

>>23322423
>mother abandoning her children in meaningless fight to the death
When did that happen?

>>23322429
No you're overreading. Nyaan was actually trying to reconcile with Machu and said she wished they could eat together again. There just weren't enough episodes.

>>23322675
lol
lmao

>>23326089
Machu could be a mother to me!

>>23314673
This is why I keep saying the show was 100% written to be 26 episodes long, but somewhere during production, resources got axed. This show could have been fantastic if it had been allowed to breathe and slow down.

Imagine a version where episodes 1–11 are just our three main characters bonding and competing in the gamble games to survive and make money to one day visit Earth. Kycilia's assassination attempt in Sector 6 could've been three episodes instead of just one, so the characters could actually develop. RIP Deux's god-tier design, what a fucking waste.

Picture Machu and Deux fighting at least twice, the first time during a failed assassination attempt, and the second time, with the help of Challia at the end clutching a win.

This show needs to be revisited someday, because holy shit, so much potential was wasted.

>>23326192
Don't forget a whole damn mobile suit whose entire legacy is a dozen hand-drawn frames in an anime with 3D mecha (half of which are of it exploding)

ahahahahahahahahahaha
RRSSS

>>23326192
I wouldn't say
> the show was 100% written to be 26 episodes long
In the sense that they had 26 episodes all planned out per say,
Because at times the fast pace of the show feels deliberate. A good example would be the aftermath of Nyann piloting the GQuuuuuux and the lead up to the assassination attempt on Kycilia.
Things move fast but its because there's urgency, the lead characters are in turmoil emotionally and the bigger plot is getting set in motion.

But there are what I think are clear signs of cut scenes. Probably for budget reasons as you said.
All the effort put into Deux's mobile suit for one. I can't imagine what we've got was all the ambition they had. But you can clearly see that a prolonged fight sequence could have been expensive to produce.
(Or maybe it's for pacing reasons, All the fights have been pretty short and this was also the case in WfM. So maybe they're worried about people getting bored if fights drag on too long.)
There's also a line in episode 10 about Challia and Machu training together, which we never got to see. That in particular screams "cut scene due to budget" to me.

>>23326348
>There's also a line in episode 10 about Challia and Machu training together, which we never got to see. That in particular screams "cut scene due to budget" to me.
It's "cut" because a training scene would add little to nothing.

>>23326353
>It's "cut" because a training scene would add little to nothing.
I agree. But "fight" scenes are what sells kit (I would imagine). So from bandai's perspective, they would absolutely want to show that.

From a plot perspective, as you said, it would be complete filler but it could have replaced the "flashbacks" in episode 11 to discussion between Machu and Challia about the Rose and Challia's objective in helping Machu.

And from a production perspective... It's an expensive scene to animate that can be replaced with a couple flashbacks to get the information needed.
So cut it.
If they didn't have a line about Machu and Challia having mock fights, nothing would have changed. And it's possible this is "just a line of dialog" and I am completely off the mark.
But I don't believe it.

Garbage
Should've used Begining instead of Beyond the Time

>>23326367
Maybe? I mean I would assume in any production there's dozens of cut scenes to fit a schedule and runtime, I'd like to see more character interactions like that but I wouldn't put it past Khara to have planned the show with a low number of episodes from the start, they might have individual talents but not the numbers to keep up with a 26 episode production, and their directing style has always been quick and snappy.

>>23326192
>This is why I keep saying the show was 100% written to be 26 episodes long, but somewhere during production, resources got axed.
>>23326348
>But there are what I think are clear signs of cut scenes. Probably for budget reasons as you said.
All of Tsurumaki (&Enokido) shows follow this pattern. He never comited to anything longer than this. That is basically his speciality. Also the fact that the scripts were made on 2022 you could infer that there was never intended to be longer.

>>23326370
But he came beyond the time

>>23326107
gm/geloog lady

>>23326388
Time =/= Universe

>>23326397
That's why it's beyond it

>>23326387
>>23326379
>I wouldn't put it past Khara to have planned the show with a low number of episodes from the start [...]
Having Tsurumaki at the elm indicates that to me. He's done wonders with short ovas and such so this is in line for him.
But the fact that some little lines which are not plot related remain is a bit odd to me. But as you said, It's probably standard with any production to dream big, then reign things in to what it actually doable.

My point is that I assume there was more planned at some point. And I'd love to see a manga adaptation or some post- / extra- story content because I am really, really enjoying this show and these characters.
who knows, maybe well get a secret announcement for a 2nd cour next week!
(We wont.)

>>23314637 (OP)
She answered this in the last episode
>I don't know what happened to me.. it just happened

>>23322251
I'm pretty sure even way back then everyone here hated everything.

>>23323033
But it's true.

>>23326412
>I am really, really enjoying this show and these characters.
Why?

>>23330723
I like Amate's story line (supposing they can bookend it well in the last episode).
She's a sheltered girl who's dissatisfied with her lot in life and has big, abstract dreams like most teenagers do. She hates the idea of living an ordinary life and wants to be "special" and to be "free". Even if she can't really define what either of those things are.
This is in spite of the fact that she pretty objectively has a pretty cushy and comfortable life, which she throws away on impulse. Her mom is a big shot (so is her dad apparently but he's absent), she goes to an expensive private school.
Where's never shown any *good* reason she should be dissatisfied with her life on side 6, but we're shown that she feels out of step with her peers: her miscommunications with her mom, her interactions at school... Her obsession with seeing a 'real' sea, a 'real' sky. 'Real' gravity.

Basically, she thinks the grass is greener on the other side.

By meeting Shuuji and Nyann, she finds people she can relate with, and she finds a place where she feels "free" and "special".
When that gets challenged (Nyaan pilots the GQuuuuuux and experiences the kira-kira, Shuuji tells Nyaan he likes her while they are hanging out without her, the Pomeranians betray her, etc.) she lashes out. She thought she had found a place where she belonged and loses it all, and before she can come to term any of it she's captured by Challia.

(cont.)

>>23330723
>>23330775 (cont.)
This post is getting a bit long... sorry about that.

After the story leaves side-6 we start a parallel arc between Machu and Nyaan which isn't over yet, so I can't say if it will be concluded well.
But there are concepts I like:
Amate wants to be free -> she becomes a captive.
She has this idealized ideal of earth -> it gets completely shattered once she gets there (turns out the grass want greener at all)
And parallel to this, there's a lot I like about Nyaan's character too. Even if she's not focused on as much as the tomato.
(Shuuji isn't a character, he's a plot device.)

I've seen a lot of people complain that the show should have spent more time on side-6 and I really don't agree with that. I think, if we could have had 1 more episode, it should have been about Machu exploring earth and Nyaan getting completely wrapped around Kycilia's fingers.

And of course, I wouldn't have Char show up in episode 11 or the cliffhanger. I want this show to be about it's character, the alternate story aspect should have been a backdrop. And the zeknovas should have been left unexplained.

>>23330719
sex with Xavier

>>23330723
Why not?

>>23330775
None of that shit is interesting. Think about how all of this is actually conveyed within the show and the predictably of Machu's arc from the very first episode, it's mired in cliches and the bare minimum.

Machu's reaction to Shiiko's death and Shuji killing her had some potentiality for her character to be less one-dimensional where she's questioning Shuji's character. She quickly acts if it didn't happen after a little introspection in the next episode and immediately starts acting like a jealous girlfriend and whining about not feeling special. Note that battle also resulted in the deaths of the Tri-Stars. It's as if the story just had to have such a scene because that's usually the case in these type of stories/situations but it's ultimately meaningless.

>>23331566
>None of that shit is interesting.
It is interesting to me. You are free to think otherwise.
>Think about how all of this is actually conveyed within the show and the predictably of Machu's arc from the very first episode, it's mired in cliches and the bare minimum.
If we take for example, Amate's strained relationship with her mom. I think the show does a pretty good job at showing it both visually and through their dialog together. Which culminates in the parent/teacher meeting. I don't see any issue with the way its conveyed or with the over use of clichés.

As far as the "predictably of Machu's arc from the very first episode". I certainly didn't predict she would get "backstabbed" by Nyaan (though she's only partially to blame because Shuuji teleported away, you can't blame her for running away) and end up captured by Challia.
Either I am less lucid than most or you have a gift for clairvoyance. In which case I urge you to consider a career as a gypsy card reader.

>It's as if the story just had to have such a scene because that's usually the case in these type of stories/situations but it's ultimately meaningless.
What is interesting to me is that Machu still hasn't killed anyone. And after her fight in episode 11 against the GFred, it's pretty clear to me that it's a deliberate choice by the writers.
I'll agree with you that the rational reaction to Shuuji killing someone should have been for her to run away. But the show makes a pretty clear point that Machu is only ever making a series of bad decisions and "throwing her life away" in pursuit of her teenage dreams (which can all pretty much be tied to Shuuji one way are another). This is said to her (and us) explicitly when she takes the prize money from the Pomeranians.

(cont.)

>>23331566
>>23331630 (cont.)
Maybe I am just bad a writing things down in a condensed format.

To conclude me previous point, we're still missing an episode. the is still an occasion to bring Amate's (and Nyaan's) arc to a close.
If they don't do anything to bookend the story and focus only on the alternative setting stuff, then I am all on board to criticize the show for its missed potential.
But that's something that comes *after* the show is completed.

>>23331630
>I don't see any issue with the way its conveyed
The first scene they're in together, we're hit with the implied distance between the busy mother and daughter with her mother's concern with studying and Machu feeling cram school is a waste of money. From Machu's introduction, we know she is preoccupied with the notion of freedom and has interest in the "real" in contrast to the artificiality of the colony. One 1 min scene and you know exactly how this relationship will be portrayed, down to even using anger induced by an shoddily replied to career goals survey, but that's not the main criticism here. It's the fact we actually get no real insight into either as a person from their interactions together and what they think about each other, not even a little line that isn't a typical display of teenage angst ("See? I can't talk about to you!") followed by storming out. It's the bare minimum as I said to convey this idea of disconnection from her mother and her lack of understanding but it's mere function. The second scene where she finds out about the survey and the third scene when she finds about the skipping of cram school are functionally the same and serve the same purpose. Hell, even the very first scene. My point, really, despite the fact all three scenes add up to maybe 3-4 minutes, convey nothing of deeper import but easily could have. Its comfortable simply using cliches to get its point across repeatedly.

>"backstabbed"
You're bogged down in exact plot details. I meant it is clear she will be enthralled with Kira-Kira and how it makes her different from others, have a moment's hesitation due to the reality of the world at large and mobile suit combat, abandon her colony life, reach Earth and meet someone who shifts her goal along with the shattering of the idealization of Earth, and eventually learn to be more thoughtful. How all this is tied to Shuji, too, like you said. The main problem is how it's all presented ultimately.

>>23331767
>My point, really, despite the fact all three scenes add up to maybe 3-4 minutes, convey nothing of deeper import but easily could have. Its comfortable simply using cliches to get its point across repeatedly.
>You're bogged down in exact plot details.
I think I have a better understanding of your criticisms.
And I think our disagreement ultimately comes down to what we want / expect from the show. Which unfortunately means neither of us are likely to change our opinion on the matter.

I understand your frustration with the what you perceive as a shallow relationship between Amate and her mom.
But I look at it from a different perspective, the gap between them is addressed three times like you said but each time the tone and intensity escalates.
I don't see it as the same information being repeated, I see it as their relationship steadily worsening which culminates in "a typical display of teenage angst".
If we make a real world analogy, Machu has fallen in with a bad crowd and her mom, because she's unaware of what is going on with her daughter (maybe even a bit disinterested, it could be read both ways) takes on the position of an authority ("We're talking about you future!") which only pushes Machu away.

For your second point. What's you've described to me is just the standard "heroe's journey".
Maybe it's a matter of taste, but I am okay with such "archetipycal stories", I care for the details and the character.

On a different note, I thank you for taking the time to explain your arguments in details. With all the shitposting going on right now, these have been some neat little posts to read.

further proof this shitshow is pandering redditards and doesn't even try to hide it

>imagine expecting anything
It's going to end with the gquax timeline being deleted, Machu and Nyan waking up as their normie selves in the normal Gundam timeline with only vague memories of what happened.

>>23331821
>I understand your frustration with the what you perceive as a shallow relationship between Amate and her mom.
Shallow is the word for the relationship between Amate and every character she interacts with. This was just an example of a larger problem with this show.
You're talking about how their relationship is steadily worsening, but there's nothing presented in the narrative to showcase such a thing happening. That's my point, and it's precisely the framing of it as if it were an after school special that implicates how skeletal and without character it all is. There's nothing more to say and little room for different reads. The intensity escalates from the second scene to the third but it has no bearing on their actual relationship and is predicated on Machu's feelings about other people that she's preoccupied with, which are also incredibly shallow.
I have no issue with the standard "Hero's Journey", but the story does not have any breathing room to let the archetypal characters bounce off much of anything or even really mean anything along with the story beats because it has to rush to the very next one. They're constrained by general genre and Gundam tropes drawn out in the most base way. I don't get how you care for details and character but like this for them.

>>23333165
That would be the shittiest Gundam ending since SEED Destiny.

>>23333165
They could wake in their original yas form and then get gassed into oblivion.

>>23333565
>You're talking about how their relationship is steadily worsening, but there's nothing presented in the narrative to showcase such a thing happening.
As I've said, that is what I get out of Machu's interaction with her mom.

The first scene they have together, we establish a sense of distance between them (which by all means, you are free to argue is cliché in mecha) very quickly. Her mom has an important job so she comes home late, we see them interact at the dinner table and the subject is about cram-school.
During the conversation we get a shot of Amate dangling her legs which stops when her mom brings up her friends. I don't have the exact line in mind but she's asking something about Machu's friends. This shows that there a bit of unease on Machu's part: she's hiding something from her mom.
You could interpret this as meaning she's already stopped going to cram-school, but to me its more an early indication that Amate doesn't really have any friends. This is reinforced by the different scenes we see that take place at school: she's out of step with her peers (and consequently, her mom).
The second scene is when her mom yells at her about the orientation form, immediately the tone of the scene is very different from the first. Machu's mom is confrontational right of the bat, and where in the previous interaction Amate is shown as being uneasy but simply lies and hides things from her mom, this time she talks back to her. That's a clear evolution in the way their relationship is portrayed.

(cont.)

>>23333565
>>23333699 (cont.)
The third scene is the parent-teacher meeting. Things start on the wrong foot with Machu's mom being late, but importatnly too me both character made the effort to come. There relationship isn't completly soured yet at that point.
And as we've already talked about this is where things culminate with Machu storming out to go straight to the Pomeranians hide-out, where she thinks she's found people who understand her and whom she thinks are on her side.
At this point, she's effectivelly ran away from home and we don't see her and her mom interact again.
(We see that her mom contacted by message when Machu gets her phone back but nothing more so far.)

I'm sorry but I completly disagree that this is a shallow relationship or a shallow portraillal of this relationship. Or that this is somehow lacking in chatacter.
I wouldn't even agree that any of this is particularly rushed.

There are plenty of things to criticize in GQuuuuuux: For example the lack of motivation given for having Machu cooperate with Challia in episode 11. Or the lack of agency on Amate's part in her escape from the brothel.
But I can't agree that this is a problem intrinsically linked with Machu's character, its an issue of pacing.
And at the risk of pissing of the people obscessed over Deux, I think the pacing is pretty much spot on until the plot leaves side-6.
(Assuming we replace the first few episodes with the movie, the way we go back and forth between the alternative history and side-6 in the TV version is understandable [you want to start the story with you main characters], but in my opinion worse.)

>>23326353
This whole story adds little to nothing if you want to be reductive.

Sick.

>>23333935
>dude nothing matters everything sucks
ah yes the rick & morty school of philosophy

>>23314637 (OP)
the show is shit and all over the place however nyaan is not the problem
nyaan going with Xavier and giving us a brief glimpse of zeon internal politics was the closest this show ever got to delivering on alternate timeline UC
the show should have started with her delivering the part, things going wrong and her getting in the gundam, and Xavier taking notice and inviting her to the zeon side. so much of this series short run time was wasted on nonsense and references

>>23333699
>The second scene is when her mom yells at her about the orientation form, immediately the tone of the scene is very different from the first.
They're completely different situations. She had no reason to be confrontational in the first scene because Machu didn't do anything to warrant it and the subject of the conversation was related to the big incident. Nothing in the narrative suggests her mother wouldn't react this same exact way regardless if anything prior to it happened or not. That's what you're not getting. Sequential order isn't necessarily progression. They're still at point A.

>But I can't agree that this is a problem intrinsically linked with Machu's character, its an issue of pacing.
No, I'm saying it's constant problem involving pretty much everything in the story, Machu's just an easy example to use. We already talked about the narrative thread of Shuji killing Shiiko, the notion this anime doesn't present ideas and then quickly shift away from them to get to the next is wishful thinking.

>You could interpret this as meaning she's already stopped....
This would be interesting but the implication is that's where she was heading to in the first episode before she ran into Nyaan. Her mother asks her "Why? All your friends are going to one, too, right?" when Amate says cram school might be a waste of money. This is related to her outright not saying she doesn't want to go, this is the miscommunication here and she opts to simply say some people work part-time. While a friendless Amante could make sense, the scene is only about the direction of her focus, which is related to the original idea of "being free" from such expectations and doing what she truly desires. Being out of step in the sense you're trying to say isn't necessary or what's being pointed towards. This is why her mother follows with "but shouldn't you be focusing on studying?" as a close up of Amante's face is shown to highlight the disconnect.

>>23334448
>They're still at point A.
This is the first interaction between Machu and her mom, the point is to show what point A *is* in their relationship. From my point of view, even in that first scene we get a sense that there is tension in their relationship. And that tension informs what happens in the show as it escalates and affects their relationship.
That what we want out of a show, is it not?
>Nothing in the narrative suggests her mother wouldn't react this same exact way regardless if anything prior to it happened or not.
If your argument is that their relationship should have been portrayed as entirely positive at the start, to heighten the contrast with Machu blowing up and running away from her mom. Then I think you and I value very different things in story-telling.

>Shuji killing Shiiko
I can't agree that this development is "quickly shifted away from" at all. It clearly has an impact on Machu, which she only gets over when she received advice from the Pomeranian boss-lady (absolutely terrible advice mind you). This directly ties into the choices Machu makes which lead her to the "greater plot" outside of the clan-battles.
And in my opinion, this event along with Nyann killing someone in the very next clan-battle, is directly tied to the fact that Machu doesn't kill anyone.
Since we were talking about clichés earlier, I much prefer what this show as going on so far on the subject of teenagers killing people that the cliché "I had no choice" and the n-th monologue justifying murder.

>While a friendless Amate could make sense,...
Feel free to accuse me of reading to much into things. But I don't see any reason to take Machu's line about "working part time" at face value. There are plenty of scenes which inform her "disconnection" with her peers at school (granted these comes later in the show, but that doesn't disqualify them when it comes to informing the character) and many cues during the scene itself that shows she's uneasy around the topic.

>>23334751
>Then I think you and I value very different things in story-telling.
No new insight can be found about the characters and their relationship from subsequent events that couldn't be found in the third episode. This is my point. But I think a small glimpse of something positive at all, even just a small gesture with no dialogue in relation to the two, would add quite a bit in this case. There's nothing wrong with wholly singling out one aspect of their relationship if done well, though. Same with specific moods, atmosphere, subject matter, and so on across media.

>It clearly has an impact on Machu, which she only gets over when she received advice from the Pomeranian boss-lady
That's not what I'm getting at. Notwithstanding the lack of recognizable human feeling and believability in the quick resolution. I'm not expecting these characters to act like real people that much.

It's the unnatural quickness and the disconnect between all this and the immediate actions taken afterwards in relation to Shuji and Amante, albeit one-sided. Also, Machu is still thinking about how Shuji seemingly did not care about killing someone after boss lady's advice and leave of her. I'm not sure if you remember, too, but it's a 2 minute segue between that rumination and then the highlight of sexual attraction and pseudo competition between Nyaan and Amante for his affection, again kinda one sided. That's to set up this rivalry of sorts and the events later in the episode where Nyaan pilots and Machu's jealousy amongst other things, which only happened because of plot contrivances as well. Of course, there's a small montage between the two events, but it stretches disbelief and is seemingly done to wrap up that narrative thread in under 2 minutes that could give some needed dimension to this infatuation and even Amante's character.

>Feel free to accuse me of reading to much into things
I think you are a bit, but it doesn't really matter here?

>>23334904
I'm sorry if this has been frustrating for you, it really seems life we keep talking past each other. You're giving examples of setup/payoff to illustrate that things are rushed through and "plot convenient", with no time to breathe. And I use the same examples to argue that narrative events are consistent with what we know of the character and the action they take in the show.
Ironically, we aren't communicating all that well ourselves.

We're commenting on the same thing: the show is paced very quickly and doesn't really have down-time except in the form of montages.
But your take away (if I am not mistaken) is that this pacing "stretches disbelief" and leads to narrative threads getting wrapped up too quickly.
Where I am saying that the quick pace doesn't feel rushed to me because I see a lot of little hints that support the characters actions and motivations.

Just to be clear, I am not entirely disagreeing with you.
But if we take again Machu and her mom, I don't see the fact that we don't get "new insight" into their relationship as a big negative point. I see that "the insight we've got informs the actions of both characters", which in this case leads to major plot events, and that's a positive point.

Would it be better if we got more out of their interactions? Objectively yes, I agree with you 100%.

>>23335485
Nah, I haven't discussed Gundam in years, so I was cool. I think I got what you were saying, I just disagreed and had to further clarify what I meant because you were misreading me. Communication is hard is a lesson preached many a time, though.
Maybe we do value different things in story-telling. Because it's not as if Gquuux has any subtlety and has shown any capacity to render believable human expression in small moments or in a micro sense to make up for the general predictability and uninspired writing.

>I see that "the insight we've got informs the actions of both characters", which in this case leads to major plot events, and that's a positive point.
That's the bare minimum of logical consistency, but even stereotypes act in a logical manner. Why would that be interesting? We failed to mention something else about the second scene with her mother. Machu was somewhat serious about the "jellyfish" answer and complained about how mother was too conventional (something you can gather from the first scene without being directly told), and then she immediately happily talks about how weird Shuji is. Machu's supposed oddity isn't something emphasized or related to Shuji, it's centered around her goals in life. This is further related to Shiiko's exposition about not wanting to sacrifice one thing to gain something else where Machu directly contrasts her with her mother. This is partly why I thought you were reaching.

I think there's a lot of potential with the set up but it's floundered at every step because ideas are half-baked. Whatever, though. I think misuse of its runtime and choice of scenes is more at fault than the 12 episode cap.

>>23335772
It may simply be a case that I have lower standards than you from reading/watching too much shit.
Either that or I don't know any better, ignorance is bliss as they say.

Even if we have pretty opposite opinions on the show, it's been a pleasure to talk about it with someone who's clearly been paying attention and can argument their point of view.

>I think misuse of its runtime and choice of scenes is more at fault than the 12 episode cap.
I agree with this 100%. the show tried to do too much and as a result, a lot of aspects are unfocused.
I still believe the last episode can conclude (some) things well, in which case I will remember GQuuuuuux as a "pretty good show", not a perfect one by any mean. I guess we'll see.

Literally the only good parts of this show are when we are watching remake of 0079 stuff
So episodes 2, 8 basically and tidbits of 0079 stuff on other episodes.
Who the fuck greenlit this garbage?

I swear to God if the leak about her real name being Amuro is true I will track down anno in a dark ally and make the real end of evangelion

>>23335824
I dunno, I've seen plenty of anime over the years but not as much recently. While I do think GQuuuuux is bad, it's mediocre relative to other anime. I love Gundam so I have an inherent bias but my inner critic is always there. Nice talking to you.

Tsurumaki being a one-hit wonder is also hard to stomach, so I expected something interesting out of blind hope. Hard to fault him for how shit Rebuild is. It would've been interesting if Nyaan and Machu's infatuation was a critique or exploration of the newtype infatuation that we've seen previously and the shallowness was purposeful. I've seen posts about how they weren't really supposed to be friends but obviously that doesn't add up. How Kira-Kira and the omega psycommu are portrayed sticks out a lot, especially with how fast Deux dies and her status as a cyber-newtype. Maybe relating it to the real and artificial dichomoty we're introduced to by Machu. Oh well.

>>23336569
>I love Gundam
A big difference in our opinion might stem from the fact that I am not as much of a "Gundam fan" as you.
I of course have a lot of respect and I genuinely enjoy the franchise. But I didn't get into /m/ stuff *through* Gundam, so I am probably a lot more tolerant of GQuuuuuux's faults because of that.

There have been a lot of people trying to argue things like
>[the show is] a critique or exploration of the newtype infatuation
>the shallowness [toward Shuji] was purposeful
>[Machu an Nyaan] weren't really supposed to be friends
But as you said, none of these readings really add up. For as much as I am enjoying the show, I certainly can't argue that it isn't anything deeper than a compilation of Khara's staff favorite elements from Tomino's original run of UC.
Which is a shame, because I find the characters charming and I wish there were something deeper going on. The opportunity is certainly there in my opinion.

>>23325661
>Typical Zeek brain rot
Haman, Char and Scirocco were true NTs and still did horrible stuff.

>>23337988
it's funny you say that, since Scirocco called Char a fake newtype, while Haman in her final moments admitted to be still too pulled by earth gravity to be considered a newtype

>>23319080
She is.

whores are crazy irl

>>23338070
a whore and a dream girl are the same thing for the beautiful brief moment when she wants bring a fat nerd home to fuck with her dad or an ex

>>23322913
yeah i'm actually kind of glad they aren't going with a "WE WERE DESTINED TO BE FRIENDS BECAUSE NEWTYPES" rainbow children shit.

they clearly hate each other and never really did anything to show us otherwise. it's about "muh 3 masks" the nips are always talking about. being friendly to people, but secretly hating them.

>>23326353
maybe i'm acid dreaming, but i distinctly remember a scene where they were training together? was that not a thing?

>>23326370
the lyrics to "Beyond the Time" are so perfect for this show tho.

in fact, on muh cytube where i show "mecha mondays" we watched the Unicorn OVA's a few weeks ago, and i ended it by playing "Beyond the Time" and said "this is how Gquuuux is going to end" and didn't assume they would LITERALLY do it like this tho.

>YOU CAN THE DESTINY
>YOU CAN THE FUTURE
>WE CAN SHARE THE HAPPINESS

>>23338029
The only real NT in UC was Judau

Gundam sparknotes for ADHD Zoomers

>>23338389
He is