With the current political landscape making this Gundam relevant once again, how do you feel about it and its themes in retrospect? Do you think any other series beats it in terms of a timeless message?

I've watched 00 several times but never engaged with it that deeply. What do you think it has to say, OP?

>Do you think any other series beats it in terms of a timeless message?
SEED Destiny unironically, but maybe I'm wrong.

>>23327456
>What do you think it has to say, OP?
War is bad, mmmkay?

Completely shit its own pants with season two. Season one did the job better by having all of the different factions team up to defeat a clearly terrorist faction in Celestial Being harming all of them, but season two just couldn't resist huffing its own farts by painting them as the good guys despite clearly being in the wrong so they had to make the Not Titans.

>>23327456
OP here, Setsuna is a result of the endless fighting in the middle east and goes through extreme means to put an end to war. Celestial Being shows that humanity is so retarded that the only way they'd join forces is by having a common enemy to fight against. I mean, the final movie spells it out with the quote at the end. But yeah, what >>23327467
said, war is bad, mmkay? Except I think it nails it a lot better than most of the shows.

I'm a Turn A fag so I think it has the best message, but it's also very idealistic.

>>23327470
I can agree with this, and the movie is weird but very enjoyable.

>>23327451 (OP)
>>23327456
SEED and 00 are the only politically relevant modern Gundam entries.

SEED because of the genetic stuff, which is coming closer to being reality soon.

And 00 because of the war on terrorism stuff, energy crisis, multi-polar geopolitics and ((innovades))

>>23327470
>Completely shit its own pants with season two. Season one did the job better by having all of the different factions team up to defeat a clearly terrorist faction in Celestial Being harming all of them, but season two just couldn't resist huffing its own farts by painting them as the good guys despite clearly being in the wrong so they had to make the Not Titans.
This is entirely like real life

>>23327476
What about Wing and the automated weapons?

>>23327483
Oh yeah that one too.

But every AU since 00 feels like it's been increasingly less and less politically relevant to our world. Which feels kinda boring, and wrong for Gundam.

The original is really crazy when you think about it. A man wrote a story about his country's sins in a war his parent's generation lived through. It's a pretty introspective and bold thing for a robot cartoon to do.

The modern equivalent would be a Gundam series that tries to examine popular themes in modern society like SEED, 00 and Wing.

I think an underrated angle would be gender relations, something like Vandread or another stab at the AI idea like wing, but incorporating what we know now about the internet and stuff.

>>23327473
I guess the themes I got from 00 were, "using force will only lead to force used against you", and "what is gained through force isn't as great as what can be achieved through peace". But those are quite surface level, I think.

I like Turn A's messaging too, even as a SEEDfag.

>>23327492
I feel like SEED Destiny has relevance today because a lot of it is about information. What information are you privy to? Is that enough to make a decision? What if it isn't enough? Can you really trust where you heard it from? Is it enough to just hear the one side?

Peace through power.

Peace never works with understanding.

>>23327542
Peace would work with understanding if the world wasn't comprised of 90% room temperature retards

>>23327544
Precisely why.

>>23327542
>people feel wronged by you forcing your will onto them
>they retaliate against you, and you retaliate them
So peace only comes when you're standing on top of a mountain of corpses?

>>23327551
I mean, kind of

>>23327551
Yes.

Doesn't even need retaliation, some fuckheads can just not like you and decide to start shit.

>>23327551
AWoT touches on this, actually. There's an understandable reason why some call for overwhelming force against a potential threat, as it's a cynical guarantee of your group's safety if you annihilate the threat in a first strike action.

But, failure to end it in that strike can lead to a prolonged conflict you're not suited to fight.

So, how are you supposed to resolve this dilemma of peace born of and killed by use of force? By not resorting to force as the primary means of conflict resolution, but rather diplomacy.

>>23327567
>By not resorting to force as the primary means of conflict resolution, but rather diplomacy.
The problem with this line of thinking is that sometimes what you are wishing to change or confront is unreasonable in its actions or thoughts. You cannot attempt to understand or reason with wild boars destroying your homestead. It's not a feasible solution without an extremely one-sided compromise.

>>23327451 (OP)
I wish they would make something 00 or IBO but touches the Palestine issue but alas, it's just trendy moe/yuri shit now

>>23327656
Isn’t that the point of Ali Al-Saachez and more loosely, Saji’s involvement? Sometimes you HAVE to fight, it just shouldn’t be your primary goal. Diplomacy before violence.

>>23327451 (OP)
I miss 00

>>23328086
Same, I need another shithead who is unapologetically evil.

>>23328086
To this day this is one of my favorite pictures.

>>23327451 (OP)
It's b00by time.

>>23327451 (OP)
Original Gundam
>War is a terrible thing that only benefits the most powerful while causing everyone else to suffer.
>We as a society are not ready for the future, and can only think of strength in terms of military might.
oo
>We need to solve the earths conflicts and find camaraderie
>we’ll do this by strictly adhering to the convoluted plan of some long dead guy cuz that’s never gone poorly before
>also he’s been hiding perpetual motion machines but only thought to use them to make killer robots

OOs fine but come on

>>23330251
Did you speedwatch 00 or were you just high through the whole thing? Both?

>>23330251
Aeolia's plan almost went perfectly if Alejandro hadn't decided to be a bitch.

>>23330293
No it wouldn't have, the Thrones weren't in the plan.
Had there been no Thrones, the gundams would have lost during the desert onslaught.

>>23327451 (OP)
Gundam 00 is top-tier, especially first season. It's also one of the few series in the Gundam franchise that doesn't end in tragedy and the further degradation of humanity.

>>23327451 (OP)
How so?

There was no pandemic that destabilized the whole world and nearly caused another great depression that consequencely promoted extremist groups.

The current situation is that the entire world is falling into more and more conflict as the Great Neo Roman Empire is declining internally from constant civil strife, economic mismanagement and political schizophrenia.
And the entire order that it has propped up is crumbling at the seams.

If it did fall.

Asia would look like pre ww1 with the absolute militarization as Japan, Taiwan and Australia would quickly shit their pants and rearm as much as possible if the US could no longer be world police. China, Pakistan and North Korea would be licking their lips at, Taiwan, Kashmir and South Korea

Hence why NK has declared the dream od peaceful reunification dead.
Why Pakistan sponsored terror groups have been more ballsy
And China has been encroaching more and more in the seas. Which Japan would fight to the LAST man for places like Taiwan and Korea even if they hate Japan. because if China ever wrestles maritime dominance of Asia from Nihon it spells complete subjugation and financial death for the nips. ASEA would disband because they'd be divided into pro Japan and pro China camps.
Russia could fully invest into Baltic and Ukraine irridentism with a crippled US.
The Sahel Security Alliance would directly challenge the west African ECOWAS militarily and kick out the last of French sponsored governments
The Pink Tide currently sweeping Latin America would turn into a Red Tide and Venezuela would definitely challenge Guyana. Columbia would lose its major patron of arms funding against the Communist insurgencies.
The Middle Eastern Cold War would turn hotter than it already is.


As far as I know late UC is the only Gundam setting showcasing a world plunged into hellfire as the Federations Empire collapses into a major warring states period.

00 was more 2000s of terrorism being excuse 4 gov backsliding