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What happened to his le nihilism? What happened to being empty? Why does he all of a sudden give a shit if Char wipes out Earth? Why is he suddenly trying to kill the man he's been chasing after for the last decade? And when the hell did he carry out a plot to install his sister as the leader of Zeon?

He saw a glimpse of the future and witnessed the final conversation between amuro and char

>>23346171 (OP)
>He stated multiple times he wants peace for newtypes and the zeon people and he already sees himself as dead so he risks his life for the mission
>people think he's working for Gihren or Kycilla or is just helping Char to kill the Zabis but his actual goal is to help Artesia become leader of Zeon because he sees it as the only pathway forward for peace
>Understands that Char gaining power will result in a lot of deaths so he's the next biggest risk after Gihren and Kycilla is dead.

>>23346206
>Understands that Char gaining power will result in a lot of deaths so he's the next biggest risk after Gihren and Kycilla is dead.
It literally wouldnt though. That was the whole point of Char in Zeta, he ultimately was working to stop further wars in the earth sphere. Things only go to shit and has to CCA because they didn't, made a deal with Haman behind his back, and she ruined everything.

>implied to be an empty person but still doing his best, mentoring a newtype and wanting the best future for them
I realized the reason I liked Chalia was because he was basically the Quattro of the show
>>23346206
>>23346241
Whereas the last episode I took that to moreso be a reference to UC Char, and it's understandably why GQ Char is confused by this, because there's little to no indication of how similar or different he is with UC Char, especially with philosophies about newtypes: we've almost entirely heard this instead from Chalia.
You could say he was desperately searching for the last dangerous loose end to resolve, but nothing really clearly indicated this because we wasted so much time with other shit and also suffered from the low episode count.
>Why is he suddenly trying to kill the man he's been chasing after for the last decade?
>And when the hell did he carry out a plot to install his sister as the leader of Zeon?
>>23346171 (OP)
Trying to defend this without acknowledging the show's time management seems like a fruitless exercise, although it might still be fun for us to try. Maybe he had other big-name buddies we might recognize who were working loyally for him, even though we've never seen him trust anyone.

>>23346171 (OP)
Because we need Char and Challia to be busy so they don't interfere with Machu's final fight.

>>23346171 (OP)
He's a triple agent. Someone who lost faith in himself,questioned humanity, questioned loyalty he blindly followed, and ultimately decided neither Char, nor humanity was the future, but Artesia.
Brilliant character rebirth. Far too few episodes for him. He is what Zechs Maquis wishes he was.

>>23346315
Zechs was better.

>>23346320
Zech was absolute trash. Sister simp personified.

>>23346171 (OP)
Challia going all in on Sayla of all people is just stupid to me.
She did less than nothing for Zeon, she actively fought against them.
There's no indication that she would be in any way a competent leader.
He turns on Char because of CCA, sure, but Sayla in the main timeline after OYW was perfectly content just lounging around when everyone else fought Titans and Neo Zeon. Yeah she gets a cameo in ZZ, whoop dee fucking doo.

>>23346171 (OP)
>What happened to his le nihilism?
It's still there, it was just part of his history so he can understand when other people are just as empty as him too.

>What happened to being empty?
He mostly was, but found refuge in Char's ideal of creating a world where Newtypes can be free. Free from being used as weapons, free to pursue their own dreams, to fight for their own sake.

>Why does he all of a sudden give a shit if Char wipes out Earth?
Partially because to wipe out the earth is an irredeemable sin that will blacken one's soul permanently and he doesn't want his friend to fall down that well. He can tell that Char is cut of the same cloth as him, which was how and why they became friends in the first place. So he can tell that Char is someone that doesn't have anything to lose and knows only of fighting and revenge, and so he should not be in charge of Zeon, or he'll eventually fall into the same pit of despair Challia did, the same gravity well that drew the Zabi family in to become psychopathic murderers. Even Kycilia speculated that she could've had a pure child like Casval and lived a happier life.

Him attacking his friend was a warning: "I'm keeping you from going down this road, by force." Char got the message and heeded the warning.

>And when the hell did he carry out a plot to install his sister as the leader of Zeon?
Obviously behind the scenes. This was a plan long in the making, as killing the Supreme Commander and Major General of Zeon would leave a power gap that would either be filled by the Federation or some other sockpuppet. So he likely worked with Ral and Sayla to quickly install her as the new Supreme Commander of Zeon once the feuding Zabis were out of the way, to avoid that power gap.

>>23346171 (OP)
What gets me is that Char and Challia were continuing to fight when Shuji was doing his Aura Battler thing. I mean, shouldn't they have all ganged up on the RX-78-2?
Like he kept talking about how he was going to end the universe, I think that's more important than who gets to lead Zeon.

>>23346171 (OP)
He just realized that there IS a God, and that the universe DOES exist for a purpose.
It's not even subtext, it's spelled out right there. He got to read the script for Char's Counterattack, might've skimmed it a little.

>>23346332
To be completely fair circumstances are very different here, and Ral is implied to have been mentoring her.
In canon UC Zeon is fucked, they're still fighting wars against the Federation all the way to CCA and there are too many embittered people stirring shit (i.e. Haman, Glemny...)
Here, Zeon seems to completely dominate space and is in a fairly strong position. Now Kycilia and Gihren are gone, so who's left to lead? If the alternative is everything collapsing into anarchy, that might have been enough to push her to do it in a noblesse oblige way.

>>23346332
>There's no indication that she would be in any way a competent leader.

Counterpoint: she's the only one with zero known baggage across the totality of the Gundam franchise, and while she may not have proven herself capable for the role, she hasn't incriminated herself as capable of enabling great harm.

She's the least toxic person of noteworthy heritage in the Zeon and Zabi family trees who is of age to serve even at most a symbolic role. I think the argument here is she's the last option of resort short of collapsing the Principality and forming the Republic fast enough that the Federation isn't able to ratfuck a regime change. If your goal is to retain continuity of government, the Principality could do worse than be led by Artesia. At the very least, giving Casval a vacation could do a lot to help screw his head on tight in this continuity and avert his CCA phase.

>>23346171 (OP)
Gotta keep Char out of the climax somehow.

For a mastermind who always acted two steps ahead of everyone else in the show until the last three episodes, he felt largely unnecessary to the main plot in the end, since it was completely centered around Lalah, Char and Shuji. Even him being Char's mav didn't seem to matter much, since Char was apparently cool plotting his space satellite sized scheme without even considering Challia which kinda makes their bond seem flimsy.

>>23346320
Zechs wasn't a triple agent, he was just highly suggestible and fickle.

>>23346332
It's actually even weirder in this timeline since she should be famous for killing Dozle in the Big Zam. There was no misdirection or secrecy like how Char helped to kill the Zabis.

Uhhh what happened to mineva

>Sayla, who has been nonexistent in the show other than in flashbacks were she's almost killed, becomes leader of Zeon despite no setup for this at all
> Garma and Mineva, the existing Zabis, are nowhere to be seen

>>23346855
One of the plot points of original Gundam is that the Zabis literally usurped Zeon, and Char and Sayla are the lost true Prince and Princess of Zeon. So it makes sense

>>23346877
Doesn't change the fact that she should be next but sure have your fanfiction unearned ending.

>>23346847
Dozle was killed by federation ace Cinco Benis, not Artesia-sama

>>23346855
Haman abducted her.

>>23346877
That anon has a point... The only way to really introduce Sayla into this role would be to publicly reveal Zeon Deikun had a direct heir the entire time, which essentially reveals Zeon's leadership through the entire OYW to be a shame. Which seems like a fantastic way to create a giant schism between actual Deikun loyalists and people who put their lives on the line for the Zabis.

OP's discovering that Gundam is gay crapshit that makes no sense at all since mid-eighties.

It came off as him lashing out at Char like a scorned lover because Char essentially decided to just fix things on his own in secrecy while Challia was hunting for clues as to what happened to Char for years and considered their relationship to be a turning point in his own life.

>>23346241
>That was the whole point of Char in Zeta, he ultimately was working to stop further wars in the earth sphere
Nigga did you pay attention? Char didn't care, he says he wants to but even Kamille thinks he's full of shit and punches him over it. He even had to be coaxed into being the leader of the AEUG by Blex as Blex was literally dying and the moment he has to actually be a leader giving the Dakar speech he feels like a clown. Char does this exact thing when he's the leader of Neo Zeon after giving his speech.
Char isn't fit to rule because he's fundamentally someone that can't look beyond what he wants, even if we're going off of GQux's version of events Char still spent years scheming against the Zabis for revenge before getting the Gundam

Because GQuuuuuuX's Challia bull is a shitty reference character. Khara needed to scrape some material from his novel version to expand his character but after adding all their own material to him they made him this show's version of Destiny era Athrun Zala. A character from the "old show" the writers desperately want you to respect, so he says random cryptic bullshit that's incomphehensible to other characters that is supposed to be deep, He gets a contrived fight with the boyfriend he was looking for, and he's otherwise a completely flawless pilot who hogs screen time and does things that really the protagonist should be involved in

>>23347037
Oh god. He essentially is a more competent Athrun.

>>23346867
Garma denounced his heritage and left with his wife. Mineva wasnt born because the big zams were mass produced and dozle got busy.

>seedtard is braindead
Nothing new really.

>>23346171 (OP)
cause the show was written by a handicap, next question please

watch the fucking show
it's because of the emptiness inside him, because he feels the same thing in Char, that he works to have Artesia placed in charge of Zeon with Ral
now that he has realized his goal, he wants to die; but the world won't let him. he says as much, explicitly, "so I have to go on living..."

>>23346855
living happy in the best timeline

>>23346559
>Like he kept talking about how he was going to end the universe, I think that's more important than who gets to lead Zeon.
Forced, because otherwise Machu would get 0 moments to shine and have any resolution with Shuuji. The writer is a retard who wanted to have cake and eat it too - can't kill off or disable Char and Challia because he needs THE EPIC SHOWDOWN BETWEEN THEM and can't have them join Machu because she would get fuck-all to do and just linger in the background like Gyuunei. Amateurish writing. Can't believe this series was in development FOR YEARS.

>>23346565
> so who's left to lead?
Garma is alive unless confirmed otherwise.

>>23346836
>>23346948
>Even him being Char's mav didn't seem to matter much, since Char was apparently cool plotting his space satellite sized scheme without even considering Challia which kinda makes their bond seem flimsy
In the end Challia was such a pathetic homosexual simp. Couldn't even locate Char for years and Char never gave a damn about Challia to involve him in his plans.

>>23347056
>Garma denounced his heritage and left with his wife
Citation needed.

>>23346171 (OP)
It's Newtype magic I ain't gotta explain shit.

>>23346320

Zech had sex

So did we ever find out what GQuuuuuuX's name meant?

>>23346315
>>23346206
Too much and too fast of a heel turn.

>>23346867
a political drama centering on Sayla attempting to dispose of the Zabis and reclaim Zeon would have been 200% cooler and a much more feasible premise for a show that sold itself as a Zeon-victory alt universe

>>23346171 (OP)
You wouldn't get it

>>23346920
Everyone knows Zeon Deikun had kids you fucking retard, the Principality was explicitly formed under the claim that Zeon pointing out Degwin as the dude who killed him actually meant he was endorsing him as leader. Deikun's heir doesn't fucking matter because it wasn't a monarchy at the time and why the fuck would he pick a 9 year old to be prime minister? Once the place became a dictatorship everyone who suggested that the Zabis maybe stole the country woke up dead.

What happened to Amuro? Does he just not exist? Lalah was in love with him just as much as she was to Char. Even the in-universe Lalah said so.
Maybe I'm just to much of retard to get it

>>23348719
GQuuuuuuX Amuro likely never joined the military and so never made a name for himself. He's probably employed at Anaheim or something.
In every timeline Lalah could find, the Gundam kills Char, but she never said who the pilot of the Gundam was. It could be Amuro, but it could also be Shuji, having taken Amuro's place for some reason.

Despite all that one version of Amuro from another universe wound up soul-bound to the Endymion unit within the Gundam QuuuuuuX, the central core of its Omega Psycommu system. This Amuro has witnessed the Gundam kill Lalah before, but whether it's an Amuro from another reality that simply watched Shuji kill Lalah to end her dreams time after time, or the original Amuro ray we know is uncertain.

I like to think it's the original Amuro, and the Endymion unit is a piece of psychoframe from the Nu Gundam that fell into the GQX world, bearing a fragment of Amuro's soul. Despite being stuck in there he's pretty content to live as a Gundam.

>>23348752
The Lalah on earth was obsessed with Char without having even met him, so I don't get why her visions wouldn't clue her in on Amuro existing too.

>>23346855
She got the puru clone treatment.

>>23346320
Agreed
>>23346330
Sounds like you didn't actually watch Wing.
>>23346332
>Challia going all in on Sayla of all people is just stupid to me.
Especially since we never received confirmation that she was even still alive after the zeknova until that line.
>>23346565
>Now Kycilia and Gihren are gone, so who's left to lead?
Garma for one.
>>23346948
Yeah, I really feel that could have been handled better.
>>23347037
>>23347040
Can't unsee.

>>23348757
It seems more like she doesn't care if Amuro exists, only if Char does and if he would ever come for her.

>>23346171 (OP)
You don't understand. He gained a lot of empathy by killing that cyberloli and being inspired by Machu.

>>23346171 (OP)
poorly written story by fags who really just wanted an excuse to make a pedo anime.
nothing made any sense in this shitty disgrace to the IP.

Machu who was a retard the entire show suddenly became a philospher?
a Gundam becoming a giant just like that?
muh multiverses!! muh Lalah!

>>23348955
>Gqwacks haters are /pol/tards

>>23348957
Nope, he is just a tardtard.

>>23348957
>>23348973
>no arguments to defend the show
>ummmmmmmmm pol!!!!! ummmmmmmmmm tard!!!!!!!

What happened is that the slanty eyed yellow kikes dropped the ball again same as always. These gooks can never perform in the clutch. They always choke and everything always ends flops because there's no follow through.

>>23348719
The zeeks looked for feddie newtype boys after they won and disappeared them. Amuro probably got Exam-ed and those Quux arms are connected to his brainstem.

>>23348719
Considering multiple Haros, likely made a fortune selling the damn robots

>>23348999
The plot twist is haros are OOParts and it's not psychoframe but a psychoharo that the gquux was made with.

>>23346171 (OP)
>Gym shoes + Dress clothes
Always a bad combo

>>23349008
Those are white dress shoes. Still inferior to proper brown or black leather ones but it's not tennis shoes at least.

>>23349008
>>23349010
>the reasoning behind the creation of a brand-new Zeon uniform design was never explained

>>23348485
lel

>>23348999
speaking of Haro, why was Machu's Haro able to unlock the Omega Psycommu?

>>23348955
Nobody tell this guy about puru