Thread 23348041

what the hell happened to the earth federation between unicorn and victory?? did they just forget how to produce good mobile suits

>>23348041 (OP)
but these mobile suits are better

I will NOT let you insult the Javelin like that

>>23348041 (OP)
Anaheim lost to SNRI. That happened around after Hathaway's flash, when SNRI got put on the map with the Formula series gundam, then SNRI went mask of and help establish the Zanscare empire.

>>23348051
the only innovative thing on them that i can think of is the beam shield

>>23348041 (OP)
>Javalin
>Gunblaster
>Bad
Not with those fuck off and die weapons they aren't. They are just glass cannons.

The Gun-EZ is a genuinely slick design though.

>>23348071
Also weapons in general got weaker, standards didn't change until the Headhunters and the Baroque suits

>>23348071
The SNRI didn't go masks off, Side 2 ushered Kagatie into power and a branch of SNRI fell under the new government. It's most likely that the LM also absorbed another branch, so you could consider it like a SNRI civil war. That's why the Victory is a derivative of the Cluster Gundam Kai.

>>23348327
??? They got stronger. The Gun-EZ's beam bazooka is the Cluster Gundam's mega beam bazooka with a few slight modifications. It's basically a portable VSBR. The Federation mass produced it sometime in late UC and the League Militaire picked up the leftovers. The Javelin actually isn't a bad MS, the federation just has no infrastructure or big standing armies because the leadership basically gave up on have a real military. That mechanic girl who gets crushed by the Motorad fleet actually showed the Javelin is agile enough to evade the anti-air fire and close in on the Motorad so it's not lacking despite being older.

>>23348509
Suits got big again after the Headhunters
Why is that?

Does this wookiepedia autism actually affect the plot of any Gundam anime AKA the thing that matters

>>23348509
LM is backed by Anaheim primarily, it's an attempt for them to seize power again. Basically AEUG 2.0, it's a puppet organization made to propagate their forever wars.

>>23348527
What does size have to do with anything?

>>23348527
Price. Small MS were expensive to design, manufacture, and maintain. The idea was they would save money on infrastructure costs during an age of peace, but SNRI had grander visions for miniature MS and they wanted bleeding edge marvels, which were too expensive for anyone who wasn't a puppet for the military industrial complex to sustain.

The Javelin affects the plot because i like it when it shoots its Javelins and they go "whoosh!" and bore a hole straight through a Zanscare machine. It's the coolest

>>23348539
Bigger is better, duh.

>>23348540
>The idea was they would save money on infrastructure costs
...for Bandai

>>23348546
Bandai Colony Corps built all the colonies, don't you know this basic piece of Gundam lore? They also built all the federation's ships in Shizuoka, Japan

>>23348546
The irony is the smaller size just caused them to make 1/100 scale HGs at the time, since 1/144 was too small.

>>23348041 (OP)
>gustav karl
>good mobile suit
Pick one.

>>23348540
Full sized ms require more raw materials which makes it more expensive to manufacture but are simpler to design. Miniature ms require less raw materials which makes it cheaper to manufature but they require greater expertise and technology to design. With the collapse of both the EF and Zanscare the Capital and brainpower were no longer their to facilitate the construction of miniature MS.

>>23348655
What about sophistication and processing of raw materials? Like if newer smaller mechs need specific alloys or methods of refinement. Especially if infrastructure for older and bigger mechs already exist and must be adapted.

>>23348041 (OP)
>aqua GM

>>23348655
Miniature MS probably required ridiculous high precision material fabrication. Especially with the high-end models pushing as much power as the ZZ Gundam did with like three reactors across its body.

>>23348527
because G Saviour isn't canon

>>23348041 (OP)
Literally every machine on the left would be one shot by a GunEZ.

>>23348041 (OP)
Aren't Gun-EZ and Gunblasters great mobile suits? Much better than whatever GMs used to be?

>>23348041 (OP)
With F91 and Victory, Tomino admitted that he wanted to try to create brand new Gundam anime that wasn't tied to the past.

F91 and Victory are basically "prototype AU Gundams".

>>23348041 (OP)
nasa did forgot how to make rockets that goes to the moon

>>23351268
A lot of Saturn V's parts were outsourced. NASA only led the overall design/project. So it's more like they actually never knew how to do it by themselves.

>>23351199
Oh yes it is
Sunrise filmed works are all canon Official until a later filmed work contradicts it.

>>23350809
One of the big positives of miniature ms was that they were able to use Gundarium on all of them since they were much smaller which made them cheaper to armor. So most MS EF MS where armored with a Gundarium alloy super/ceramic composite. Enemy factions use their own variants of ceramic composite with Zanscare late war models using a high titanium alloy.

>>23350950
The High precision fabrication cost would be kept down by EF and Zanscare ordering them in bulk and having tons of engineers trained in maintaining them. That would probably be hard for a local colonial defense forces to afford so using surplus and Oldsmobile car manufactured ms that anyone could work on was a easier fit into their budget.

>>23348041 (OP)
>SNRI takes over Anaheim
>Later Zanscare becomes a thing and takes over SNRI
>Anaheim has to scrap up some MS using knowledge from SNRI

Zaku enthusiast here. If you made a zaku machine gun but it fired gundanium bullets would the zakus have a chance? I only like zakus not sure if that matters or not.

>>23352104
Armor penetration design cares more about density than tensile strength I think
depleted uranium would probably be better

>>23352106
So what youre telling me is if we make the zaku 2 shoulder spikes out of gundanium it won’t work? Damn…

>>23348041 (OP)
To be fair, before Unicorn the only real grunt MS the feddies had in mainline UC media for middle UC were just the GM III, Jegan, and Gustav Karl. Unicorn really padded out the mid UC fed roster with the ReZEL, Jesta, Anksha, and Loto. Not to mention all the MSV cameos from the Torrington episode.

>>23348041 (OP)
The Javelin was a great MS though just bad 30 years later. GunEZ was on par with the Zanscare MS despite having those crazy beam motors.

>>23348532
It's strongly implied in wider Gundam lore than Anaheim absorbed the leftovers of SNRI that weren't the side 2 branch.

>>23348041 (OP)
>Looks at Boeing
It's not out of the realm of possibility...

Personally I consider Unicorn part of the nu-canon like Thunderbolt, and that pretty much takes care of questions like this one. I.e. if you care about continuity, don't include them. If you care about mecha animation porn, include them.

>>23352374
AE was also falling apart too(or at least its MS division was). It was more of group effort.

>>23352374
AE just doesn't have the tech to keep up with Zanscare and SNRI in late UC. They were already falling behind during the F91 era. Hell, the F91's profiles over the years even specified when it's in the full operating mode it's hands down the highest performance MS of its era, even beating hopeful contenders like the Neo Gundam.

>>23352363
Yeah, if Victory Gundam got more side story stuff we'd probably see more Javelin and Jamesgun variants and other Feddie MS.

>>23354816
I've always wondered how F91's would fare during the Zanscare War era. We do know that the Feds did limited mass production of the F91 (although lacking the biocomputer iirc), so it'd be nice if we got a side story or something of Feddie F91's fighting against Zanscare.

>>23354832
They would probably probably hold up decent, maybe a little better than the GunEZ or about the same. The beam bazookas in Victory are a variant of the cluster gundam's beam bazookas IIRC, which rival the F91's VSBRs

>>23355255
F90 (Unit 4) Half-X
Mars F90-2 Half-X

>>23348041 (OP)
The Federation never really economically recovered from the OYW in the first place and apparently they never figured out neoliberal austerity in the UC timeline and thus got bogged down with pensions and other non-discretionary expenses. By late UC colonies are starting to break off/get conquered by competing states so they're a shadow of their former selves.

Man i wish we went back to smoother and less angular designs

>>23355270
>EF Economy
They recovered from the OYW, all things considered (Operation Stardust, Dublin Colony Drop, Luna 5 drop) and economically CCA to Crossbone was probably their zenith.

They had a economic crisis in between Crossbone and Victory which allowed the colonies to start declaring independence as the EFF had to scale back its forces. Following Victory the Earth was so wrecked by the war coupled with the Federation's economy already being crap that they went into freefall and collapsed completely around 16 years later if the Crossbone Dust is anything to go by.

>>23348041 (OP)
Same thing that happened to cars- optimisation and gentrification. We all remember cool cars from the 80s-90s, but now, 30 years later, a baisic family sedan has more power than these. A V6 Camry will easily outrun a Countach, a Tesla will demolish any of the JDM heroes, they aren't cool, they are just better at being cars than any of the cool old guard that we remember.

>>23351867
This is all dancing around the Headhunters and their larger suits restarting the trend. It's not price, it's priority

>>23348041 (OP)
Writers needed a way to justify a new series less than 3 years after the last one.

>>23355270
>Neoliberal austerity
What does that even mean? What time a real life example of successful neoliberal austerity

>>23352390
Underrated reply

>>23355270
exactly this, the Federation was doomed the moment Zeon declared war

>>23356006
>They recovered from the OYW, all things considered (Operation Stardust, Dublin Colony Drop, Luna 5 drop) and economically CCA to Crossbone was probably their zenith.
nah that wasn't recovery, that was them gradually bleeding out over the course of almost a century, like even with the several decades of relative peace between Unicorn and F91 they weren't able to truly recover to any significant extent

>>23354832
It sucks that the Victory MSVs are essentially just recolors. If it had a more traditional MSV roster like Zeta or ZZ did then we'd probably have gotten some more League and EFF machines.

>>23361304
behold, the gunsmasher

yes it's UC engage how did you know