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The many rabbits of TR Plan

--useful links--
https://hobby.dengeki.com/title_re-boot/
>official Reboot illustration list, missing first few entries

https://gundamguy.blogspot.com/2013/12/mobile-suit-z-gundam-advance-of-zeta.html
>scans of some of the earlier entries

https://hobby.dengeki.com/comic_novel/19559/
>samples of the ongoing manga

https://m.weibo.cn/u/6199800362?
>weibo page of Watership 4.5, a fan circle that makes 3d models and prints of many AoZ designs. Good insight into how they function.

http://www.inask.net/blog-category-144.html
>another page with their stuff

https://archive.org/details/Advance_of_Z_The_Flag_of_Titans_Vol.1/mode/2up
>internet archive has scans of The Flag of Titans compiled in 6 volumes, this is the first one

https://jim-quail.github.io/aoz-reboot-translations
>WIP translation project for AoZ Reboot, beginning with Dengeki entries

>last thread
>>23295735

https://hobby.dengeki.com/aoz/illust/special-issue6/
latest volume

I <3 Reben

>>23356268
so sexy

If the Titans had won Gryps, do you think the TTT design philosophy would've carried into late UC? Or were they too focused on fighting Zeon remnants on Earth?

>>23356281
I’d have no clue, although there without a doubt would be direct successors to the hazel and woundwort series, maybe even a Barzam III. Now let’s see if they could handle SNRI and the crossbone vanguard

>>23356281
If things didn't go south immediately afterwards TR-6 would have been fully implemented as the base platform for the entire EFF. I'd imagine one day there would be some kind of a successor machine once the situation requires it, whether it's a stronger or cheaper model.
Mind, this depends on things not going south and Jamitov's whole goal was destabilizing Earth's economy completely so...

>>23356281
What part of TTT design philosophy you mean exactly? Making one MS platform to rule them all?
Jegan got close to that as is, around Unicorn time.
>>23356288
>direct successors to the hazel and woundwort series, maybe even a Barzam III
But Woundwort is the direct successor to the Hazel series. And I guess the successor of Woundwort in Barzam configuration would be Barzam III.

It's not like the idea of sticking a ton of shit on a mobile suit ever died.

>>23356288
>>23356297
>>23356343
I feel like they'd grow complacent and just sit on the TR-6 platform until they inevitably get SNRI'd/Crossbone'd

>>23356349
anon, SNRI would be their own R&D and depending on the situation there's no telling whether the Ronahs would have a realistic chance to start their shit

>>23356343
Woundwort isn't really a direct successor to the Hazel series. That's the TR-S. The TR-6 is far past being a successor to the Hazel.

>>23356360
Among other things, Woundwort is Hazel's successor.

>>23356364
It's really not. Again, the TR-S program is. The TR-6 project has different goals and the best you can say is "TR-1 data eventually helped lead to TR-6.". There's a reason the TR-S and TR-6 are separate.

>>23356360
If you want to call Woundwort Hazel's granddaughter instead, be my guest.
It's just TR-S plan got rejected and tech from it became the basis for TR-6. That feels like a direct enough lineage to me.

>>23356367
TR-S is obviously closer to Hazel, nobody is gonna deny that. But TR-6 is still its direct successor in addition to other things due to its wider scope.
Vol 62 outright says Woundwort is a replacement for the base Hazel (TR-1 Hazel II or Early Hazel) as an all-purpose basic platform that can be enhanced and specialized with optional parts. TR-6 Hazel II can refer to any of the various TR-6 configurations that replicate TR-1's forms, for example the most commonly known type with two shield boosters on the booster pod corresponds to the high mobility form.

>>23356385
I don't believe it's worthy to call something a successor when it actually has a different design paradigm than what you're saying it's a successor to, especially while another design is a more direct successor despite being cancelled. TR-6 can be a Hazel, but it can also be an Asshimar and a Gabthley and anything it wants to be. Its entire idea as a mobile weapon is the opposite of the Hazel. Hazel, TR-1 and TR-S say "design accessory weapons for a high spec general purpose mobile suit" while TR-6 says "design a universal frame to accept all the accessories we already have." Their actual design concepts are basically the exact opposite, that's not really a successor to the program - it's a replacement.

>>23356388
>Vol 62 outright says Woundwort is a replacement for the base Hazel

>>23356385
I wish they would continue with Lego designs of early AOZ instead of the clusterfucks we have now

>>23356391
>It's a replacement, not a successor
it also says it most assuredly in japanese, not our specific words we're using, and the point I'm getting at is that it's like saying the F-35 is a successor to the F-16 or F-18. It's not really, not in design terms, but it is a replacement.

>>23356394
The latest arrangement of shield boosters for the Advanced Gaplant and Asshimar are a bit much but there's still really cool stuff. The base TR-S still looks mostly traditional AoZ.

>>23356395
TR-S vs TR-6 is ultimately closer to the YF-22 vs YF-23, with just the little caveat of if the YF-23 had been in iterative development a few years longer than the -22 and the -22 was actually a multirole monstrosity that made the F-35 blush.

>>23356388
I don't think those design paradigms are necessarily incompatible.
After all, the ultimate TR-1 unit was made with TR-6 hand-me-downs.

>>23356425
The Hyzenthlay is less TR-6 hand-me-downs and more the product of the situation not being predecessor vs successor but instead two programs of differing goals competing against each other, with the Hyzenthlay and Hyzenthlay II being a point of commonality as the programs reached their latter stages and the TR-S program was shuttered.

>>23356440
they're not different goals and they're not competing against each other, Hazel is the basis for both Hrair and Woundy

>>23356441
They absolutely are different goals, that's the entire point of Reboot getting into the TR-S program and continuing the Hazel. They absolutely were competing, that's why only one was chosen.

>>23356450
Woundwort is also a continuation of Hazel
It's TR-S + more

>>23356453
In parallel with this, the various reinforced parts that had been experimented on each machine in the TR series were also completed. The next-generation mainstay machine that was to be officially adopted as the machine that integrated all of these parts was the TR-S Hazel Hrair. However, its completion was greatly delayed, and a temporary mainstay aircraft was needed until its completion. The aircraft developed in response was the Barzam. This machine was produced and deployed in limited numbers after the relocation of production facilities, simplification of the design, and omission of the transformation mechanism used in the Hazel Hrair into an MA. It is said that the delay in the completion of the Hazel Hrair was due to the specification change to the TR-6, which incorporated a universalized conversion system.

This is clearly saying the TR-6 and TR-S programs were in competition. The TR-S ended up not being chosen, because rather than focusing on a high spec base frame with less modularity they pursued the TR-6 plan, which featured universal modularity and an entirely new design with no TR-1 elements in the actual machine's construction. The TR-6 obviously has equipment configs to emulate anything the Hazels do, and the TR-6 program as a whole is pulling from everything the TR project did as a whole, but it's made clear the TR-6 and TR-S are a fork in the road of TR-project results competing against one another. Ultimately the Titans prioritized the TR-6 program with its universal modularity with both existing and future parts over the simpler Hazel Hrair with bespoke equipment. Because of what the TR-6 program is you could say it's a continuation of Hazel if you look at things in a very specific frame of reference, but again, the design goals are fundamentally different and that's pretty much the entire reason we're getting a Hazel Hrair/ZZZ/AoZ Gundam.

>>23356532
Also sorry for being a double posting faggot atop being an autistic terminology pedant but just one last idle thought to underline my point: the entire climactic showdown being built up to in the story is the TR-S (in the form of the ZZZ Gundam) fighting the TR-6. Both are intended to operate Inle, the true end result. They're very distinctly two different entities (mostly) parallel with each other and absolutely not "The TR-S program lead into the TR-6."

I feel like arguing over semantics gets us nowhere. Wundy is Hazel's grandaughter. But while Hazel is an old conservative, Wundy runs away from home to to join the circus.

>>23356388
I think you're confusing the mission statement of them as testbeds with what the mobile suits themselves are.
As a mobile weapon, Barzam and Barzam II, for example, got the exact same design concept.

>>23356532
>and that's pretty much the entire reason we're getting a Hazel Hrair/ZZZ/AoZ Gundam.
That's a Nemo, actually.

>>23358163
OUR HEROES

might as well be AoZ

>>23358214
I want to believe

>>23358214
are those scoped swords?

>>23359143
Pretty silly but they're referencing this design drawing of it. Halpuley's got an odd existence. I'm not really sure if there's a stated intention for them or anything, maybe someone else knows, but most Halpuley representations don't include it.

>>23359143
IIRC the artist was inspired by Woundy's CBS heat blades

>>23356234
The bunny thong just makes it lewder than it'd be without it.

>>23359186
I can only presume that's the point.
Why? Listen if you draw Gundam shit for half your life and half your body already left you then you're gonna do whatever you bloody like now.

>>23359172
but... there's no barrel or opening for the beam to shoot out of

>>23359310
the blade could open somehow or there be some intentionality lost, who knows. To look at it from another perspective though, even if it's a solid blade a camera facing down the length of it makes sense for the purpose of minor adjustments while swinging. A little, anyways. Eventually you'll follow logic chains of how things probably should be to the point no weapons should have scopes at all and the cameras for the gundams are much larger than they have any right to be but it's all very cool so fuck it.

I crave new Hazel variants, carnally.

>>23360151
Kitbash and post online until it becomes canon

>>23360629
>Psycho Gundam mask
kino...

>>23360308
She slaps your ass, what do?
>>23360629
Is that the Atlas gun?

>>23356281
Scirroco is the wildcard. No idea where he would have taken the Titans or what Jupiter-inspired designs he would have continued to bring along

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIZGP_OjlB0
Doesn't act anything like how it's supposed to but hey, animated Owsla Gigantic Arm.

>>23362140
Uh yeah I don't think it was designed to punch things but it's cool it made it in.

>>23362332
Teeeechnically it was designed to be able to use them in melee combat, but BUNNyS wasn't ready in time so instead it had the role of a mobile artillery unit and tech demonstrator for TR Plan's modularity. I wonder if the in-game description will mention that.
That said even if it could use them I doubt they'd be anywhere near as fast as these animations, Psycho Gundam is far more sluggish and it has sensible weight distribution.

>>23362348
Yeah it’s kinda like how they explained the hizack’s generator being fixed so it could use both beam weapons, this is how the big arms was SUPPOSED to have initially function

>>23362354
I feel like this is a step beyond that, it's more agile than a lot of regular melee animations.
The School of the Undefeated of the East is also part of the TR Plan...

>>23362332
at least people are having fun with the idea

Now I imagine a top heavy Bawoo with bottom half having the cockpit in the crotch and a separate MS mode in which subarms become normal arms.
Top part could be controlled via Psycommu or INCOM and in fact can go ORA ORA ORA ORA

>>23362667
Close enough.

>>23362670
What this Zoid is called?

>>23362670
Not really relevant I know, but I love this construction style for mechs. The idea of swapping leg and arm placement, basically, and turning the crotch into the torso is just neat. It's the sort of strange construction only really found in robots.

She big

>>23362140
wait so the Hazel's arms are completely empty? They gave it double winch cannons but no blade rifle or shield boosters? I feel like dual wielding shields to protect the torso would be the ideal setup here

been a while since I was the first to post new art here
say hello to Advanced Hizack Rah II Hrair

Wait, what was this again?

>>23365347
new fren!!!

>>23365319
Gotta say, I love regular Thethuthinnang more on it's own, but Thethuthinnang Hrair is way cooler as a backpack.

>>23365319
oh shit, Fujioka being based and bringing it for the 4th. Honestly don't see that much particularly illuminating though, art-wise.

>>23365412
It's mostly just about depicting how Thethuthinnang is attached to a suit. Unsurprisingly same principle as regular Hrududu and Hrududu II with the nosecone/booster facing backwards but still nice to see it confirmed and get more details on the structure.
Also imagine the bunny girl art in this pose...

>>23365544
Honestly feeling like excruciating padding at this point, just show the Hazel Hrair already god damn

>>23365547
It's all build up, we get pieces and parts of it over time so when the full design is revealed we're not confused and overwhelmed. Like how people feel when they see Woundwort for the first time and try to understand the mechanics.
Besides what we have now is very rapid new info drops, remember that El-Ahrairah and Rabscuttle were shown off early on.

>>23365554
Everything was shown off except the body several pieces of art ago, we really have no mysteries except what the actual Hazel Hrair itself looks like (particularly what its thighs are and how related to Woundwort's they really are, the actual function of its subarm skirt, and an actual headshot). We've gotten the updated booster pod, the missile-pod for the shield booster, and the Thethuthinnang in its entirety. There's just nothing left to see but the MS itself, or at least the body parts that are unique to it like the new movable frame Hazely legs.

>>23365565
Everything was shown but only at surface level. A few months ago we didn't know anything about the structure or functions of El-Ahrairah's backpack, now we know how the whole thing is put together, what it does and that it's called Hrududu Thethuthinnang Hrair. It's the nitty gritty like this that adds spice and flavor, nevermind making life much easier for artists and modelers.

>>23365571
A few months ago was volume 97 man. It's almost been the entire year we've seen most of the unique bits of the Thethuthinnang. I would find these more interesting after seeing the Hazel Hrair, honestly, because then it wouldn't really feel like stalling or padding out the reveal, which it really feels like is the intent to make it volume 100. Honestly it probably doesn't help that a lot of what we've gotten this year has been either kinda insubstantial like the emblems or flavors of beam rifle design (not to knock this one, while the emblems are whatever for me I love the weapon spreads but I still don't consider them the same as a full MS/MA spread), or on the over-stuffed side of the spectrum/designs I don't dig on much with the Advanced Gaplant/Asshimar setups. It's all beating around the bush, and the bush is a sexy, sorta-simple Hazel I would really like to see instead of "how many shield boosters can we fit on a gaplant, anyway?"

As an aside, I feel like it's a bit weird to see typical thruster bells on AoZ Titans machines at this point. So few of the later designs make much use of them. For some reason this art really highlighted them as an oddity for me, though I felt something weird about them before but couldn't quite place it. It's pretty rare for him to use the bell style over vent style for anything new.

>>23365547
Is it fair to say that I don't even care about base Hazel Hrair that much anymore and might be happier if we skipped to straight to Lambda?

>>23365347
Advanced GM?
I don't remember seeing those legs before...

>>23365776
To each their own. I'm definitely interested in Lambda too, but I don't think I will like it all that much. Full loadout Hrair either. The large containers over the shoulders just look awful to me honestly. Far too large for my tastes. But I'm extremely interested to see how it turns out regardless of that, I can just ignore those details afterall.

>>23365780
GM Sniper II legs it seems.

>>23365790
Actually, yeah, they do seem to be based of GM Sniper II, just with Advanced Hazel's heels.
That makes sense given that it basically got Advanced units' knee thrusters.

>>23365319
I feel extra stupid for not being able to read this, but how does it attach to the 'baldy?

>>23366047
Transpack system with Hazel backpack, look at the arrow pointing to the back

>>23366050
But Galbaldy line diverges on the chart before the backpack?

>>23366083
Oh, sorry. The Advanced Galbaldy just has a drumframe by default and its own equipment latch derived from the tribooster; Hi Mo Galbaldy has a similar, more prototypical arrangement.

>>23366088
Hi Mo Booster Pod

>>23365788
Well, I guess it could be fun to take the base Hrair, throw Haze'n-thley II legs on it as well as Hrududu II.
Basically making a higher spec Vervain.

>>23365319
Take an Advanced Hizack. Attach [Hrududu Thethuthinnang Hrair]. Bam, Advanced Hizack Rah II Hrair. Following the usual naming conventions, it's "Rah II" due to using [Hrududu II] parts - or rather, functionally similar enough to [Hrududu II] due to the shoulder/wing units that on a mobile suit it's simpler to classify them the same way. And "Hrair" is added due to using TR-S-standard upgrade parts in the central part of the [Hrududu] unit, replacing the original [Hrududu] structure with a refined and upgraded design.
To sum up the previous materials, [Hrududu Thethuthinnang] is a [Hrududu] with the original wing units replaced by those of [Hrududu II], consisting of generators, thrusters, drum frame and sub arms. It's a sort of middle point between the models, so it's also called [Hrududu Plus]. If the central block, nosecone and cockpit are replaced with TR-S parts (drum frame, booster pod and cockpit) it's referred to as [Hrair] due to its enhanced performance.
The chart in the top right compares them, left is [Thethuthinnang] and right is [Thethuthinnang Hrair] - in other words, prototype and final model. Well, one of the final models. We also see how they're modified when attached onto a mobile suit. As with basic [Hrududu], [Thethuthinnang]'s nosecone is turned upside down and attached to the other end, serving as a stabilizer. [Thethuthinnang Hrair] is similar, but the nosecone isn't rotated and instead it's just connected to the opposite end via a subarm. In the bottom left we have colored graphs of [Thethuthinnang Hrair]'s construction and connection method to standard TR-1 booster pod backpack.

>>23365319
So... is this [Vanargand II]?

>>23366906
No, it's Vanargand's ancestor equipped with Hrududu Thethuthinnang Hrair.

>>23366906
No, it just shares some parts

>>23366972
They're contemporaries, if anything this one was probably deployed a tiny bit later.

holy sex

>>23367502
https://x.com/Tatsu97339/status/1941444229491982766

>>23367420
It was mentioned that Advanced Hizack was a base for Hizack with Flight Unit.
I'd almost be comfotable with calling both it and Rah II Hrair just different configurations of Advanced Hizack, but the base machine for Vanargand was modified further.

>>23368062
Hazel Owsla [Gigantic Fuck You equipped]

>>23367503
Those shortened legs just absolutely kill me, don't get why he did that

>>23368062
Those are some big arms and guns.

>>23368091
because the proportions work better

>>23368091
>>23370172
it'd be ridiculous if he used the originals, nevermind that a lot of parts would have to be modified anyway

>>23370172
I disagree, I can literally see the shortening in your comparison
>>23370177
>it'd be ridiculous if he used the originals
I also disagree

>>23365319
Huh, there's mention that it can be further equipped with specialized gear like high mobility or recon. I can imagine a HiMo spec with the Haze'n-thley II/ Hambrabi II binders for example, but what about recon? Can't really fit the Eyezack head here and I can't imagine it lugging around a giant radome like recon Hrairoo.

>>23372370
EWAC Kehaar RADOME backpack? There's not much else that's dedicated EWAC gear to pull from.

>>23372370
There was that art of an upgraded Eyezack variant in the old kit manual...

>going through my box of AoZ model bits
>spy the hovering unit from the Barzam
>hey I never realized it, but isn't that just the calf-turns-to-foot from Hyzenthlay?
Well I'll be damned. Scaling of the model doesn't match but I can't believe I never realized this. I guess I just never looked since I always thought they looked silly on the Barzam and didn't care for them much.

I was looking at some woundwort pics and came across this. Is this a Dendrobium pack? Why have I never heard of this before?
>>23374913
Yes, it's also the bit that retconned the rabbit slippers out of existence

>>23374913
Yeah TR Barzam is closely linked to Woundwort so it can use a lot of the same parts and equipment easily. ReZeon in particular made the hover units standard and commonly equipped the shoulder binders to help them fight against Mars Zeon guerillas who were less organised and numerous but had higher performance suits and favoured ambush tactics.

>>23374983
Those are parts TR-2 through TR-5 parts, the blurb says Woundy can be equipped with them and lists a bunch. The sketch itself seems to have TR-3 Dandelion in the middle (or most of it) and TR-5 Fiver's I-field generators on the sides. Sure, they're prototype equipment but Woundy maintains compatibility with them.
What's really funny to me is that it can mount Hazel's subarms, I presume on top of the one it has.

gift that keeps on giving

>>23370177
They should have designed the aoz barzam so you could put woundwort legs on it unmodified

>>23376242
Agreed, it's odd that they didn't.

>>23376242
pretty sure you can, just directly onto the pegs instead of with Woundwort's "hip" section so it's not a perfect reproduction of Vervain as-is.
That said TR Barzam kit is all around really good but has some really strange engineering choices.

In an alternate timeline where the Titans won Woundy-chan found a new calling career in this peaceful world...

>>23376463
You can't. It really isn't made for them to be kitbashed together, unfortunately. It's not actually a ton of work to cobble up a new attachment but it is definitely not even close to plug and play. If they ever make a Vervain it'll either have new thighs or new hips.

>>23376485
they're both using 3mm pegs with holes on the leg end
old pic I had saved so ass quality but the point stands

>>23376489
Those are merely the basic Woundwort legs. The Hyzenthlay extended legs use their own joint part incompatible with the Barzam. It's a pretty important joint because it adds spacing to the thigh, and on the Hyzenthlay pulls the leg up but the Barzam doesn't need that (more like the opposite honestly). Without any spacing the legs are much too close together, especially when you start piling on the Hyzenthlay parts. You can bend the thigh block but you'll be pulling the legs unnaturally high by doing it. Like I said it's not an insane amount of work but if you want it to look right you're going to need to a manner of joint extension.

>>23365319
Volume 100 better be a whiplash banger

>>23376539
if it's not Hazel Hrair I'll eat my v-fin

>>23376507
ah, I take it all back then and admit I'm a dummy. Had no idea how Haze'n-thely II's legs are constructed, that is indeed a pain in the ass to rework
though in all fairness Barzam kit was made a while before the Vervain volume, and Haze'n-thley II itself follows the Flag design rather than the refined Reboot version so it's no surprise there's some inconsistencies

>>23376553
You can just pop off the extended joint and put on the normal one like I did but yeah it causes a lot of problems with the added bulk. I'd rip them off my completed Hyzenthlay but it's a pain in the ass to take it off the stand and all that.

There's never any telling why Bandai's going to do. I figure we're due for a Reboot Hyzenthlay/Hambrabi II soon enough, but they blindsided us with the Reben Wolf (no complaints here). It's a bit annoying that they only need to make two parts to give us Hambrabi II. Nevermind that Hambrabi II is the old news now and it's approaching the era of "Thethuthinnang where?" Fortunately that, too, is all of a couple new parts. Unfortunately that doesn't mean Bandai will make it any faster...

>>23376563
don't be so sure about the "couple of new parts", it could easily have slightly tweaked proportions or joints and bam, brand new mold. They've done it before.

>>23376566
Yeah they could. That's not actually a problem with Bandai though, that's really 99% on Fujioka. He has scaling problems in general which is why so much stuff gets redrawn and reworked. I don't think they'll be changing the Hrududu II parts anytime soon though, so at least for the Hambrabi II it really is just adding the reworked thruster units.

>>23376576
I feel like it's less a problem and more so just him not caring about it that much. Keeping totally consistent proportions is hard, and many times more so when there's so many cases where the same parts are reused on various suits in different positions and configurations. Model kits aren't going to be 100% accurate anyway, it's better to just focus on the aesthetic of the individual model while also leaving freedom for experimenting when drawing new stuff.
Either way, looking at it again Hambrabi II has a fair bit more stuff honestly. There's the entire "spine" structure with the high mega cannon linked to the maneuver binders, nevermind the separate "tail" stabilizer.
And of course it'd be nice if comes with a CSB too, and the beam guns the subarms hold.

>>23365597
>It's pretty rare for him to use the bell style over vent style for anything new.
That could be because on Vanargand it's specifically linked to Kampfer with a similar approach (remove skirt armor, add thrusters) so the structure is reminiscent. And since Advanced Hizack shares a lot of the parts, it's gonna be the same here.
Bell thrusters really are rare though. On TR stuff, that is. Mars Zeon got them by the truckload. It's a nice little design tidbit.

>>23366972
>>23367420
Vanargand aka unit 1 was deployed in July UC 0086, Advanced Hizack was created in response to escalating performance of AEUG mobile suits which should place its deployment in the second half of UC 0087

>>23377400
>Advanced Hizack was created in response to escalating performance of AEUG mobile suits
Unless we know that refers to, I would assume it means the Rick Dias, which would still place it in 0086.

>>23377441
It's described that way together with Advanced Marasai and itself has Marasai and Hizack Custom parts so it can't be any earlier than when Titans got the Marasais.

>>23377400
Vol 86 says this
>なお、グリプス戦役におけるエゥーゴ陣営の高性能MS投入に対抗するため、本機もアドバンスド化改修が施された。改修機は通称アドバンスド・ハイザックと呼ばれ、ハイザック飛行型のベースとしても使用された。
But then again it also says that Advanced units were made in 0087.
It makes me curious about when was Advanced Galbaldy made though.

>>23377599
Notably talking about regular Hizack with Flight Pack here, not Vanargand itself which was the first prototype of the series. The Flight Hizacks were mostly used on Mars later on based on data brought by the Titans, no surprise Advanced Hizack is the basis.
Advanced Galbaldy I imagine would have been deployed to Aswan a bit earlier than the Advanced Hazel which took its role, serving as an upgrade to the High Mobility Galbaldy. That'd be not too long after the start of Gryps Conflict, I believe. Other than that evidently Black Hares used a unit but it's anyone's guess when, and later on ReZeon built new ones as well.

>>23372370
>>23373934

>>23376108
I really like this design

>>23379551
it's just the usual Cuckslop redesign

>>23379565
Yeah, those are usually good.

When was the aoz barzam redesigned to have a drum frame? This earlier artwork doesn’t seem to have a visible drum frame

>>23379581
In Reboot.

>>23379584
Darn, recreating that artwork will be a little more complicated than just putting retail barzam legs on the p-Bandai one then

>>23379588
It's not like you'd be able to see the drumframe anyways. It's underneath the backpack, obscured from these normal back angles on the Barzam.

>>23379572
...said no one ever

>>23379581
Strange how the Barzam went from being a one-off in FoT to being a central figure in ReBoot.

>>23379614
I’m glad that decision was made, reboot Barzam and Barzam II are two of my favorite designs

>>23379614
Where did Barzam even appear in FoT? I don't see any page spreads for it and it wasn't until Reboot that AoZ truly delved into late-war machine production that much.

>>23379620
It was in Vol 5, showing up as part of Hazel Owsla data. Barzam itself wasn't really the focus at any point but there were numerous occasions where this or that part was deliberately referencing it and how it would contribute to Barzam development. Even here Hazel itself is noted to be its predecessor, how Barzam is the refined and mass produced MS designed using its technology tested on Hazel.
It's worth remembering FoT had some rushes in production and not everything was finalized even for the last release, it's entirely possible Barzam would have been touched on more back then but there was no good opportunity. With Reboot Fujioka could rework the entire series into a more coherent whole thanks to hindsight and experience, and Barzam is a central part of it.

>>23379612
I said it.

>>23356281
Assuming things went ideal, would the Titans have been able to last to the time of Gundam Victory or would they have ultimately crumbled in on themselves?

>>23381145
>Assuming things ideal
Well I guess we gotta start wondering what that means. Scirocco was always going to betray the Titans, literally always. The rest of the leadership and plenty of aspiring officers were looking for their chance to backstab their way up the ranks, too. The only way they WOULD last as an organization would be a truly charismatic leader (like Scirocco) actually getting in charge and quelling some of the "might makes right" culture pervading them. But there's probably no scenario he seamlessly takes control of them without fragmenting the organization between EFF, AEUG and NZ pressure.

On the otherhand, if that scenario arose, it'd be an interseting speedrun to Victory. Scirocco winning would bring about the Zanscare Empire much sooner, ultimately, with whoever he chose to be his Queen taking the place of Maria.

>>23381145
if things went ideal Jamitov would have led to the collapse of Earth's economy and force colony independence, that was his entire goal.

>>23381298
uuuooooooooh hrair shoulders and thighs erotic

new schizo post
https://x.com/TAGANEga_ORETA/status/1943997300675952874

>>23381463
I'm confused.
The entire thread is about Transpack version of GM Cannon's shoulder cannon sitting just on the backpack?

>>23381298
Is that a radome on the shoulder? Erotic. The Sub-arms (Are they even considered sub-arms if they're bigger than the real arms?) feel a bit over greebled though, and they're too fat, they should be long and skinny not thick and meaty

>>23381298
No way in hell the Hazel Hrair is the standard MS height of 18m.

>>23382112
Has anyone said it is?

Does anyone have the artwork of the hazenthley II with mk V legs?

>>23382349
Yes, an anon said to me.

>>23356385
>>23356377
TR-S was probably rejected because it was too dependent on armor expansions for function, TR-6 has a similar issue in its design but is not totally pack-dependent
a true Hazel III would not be dependent on packs, and would use the frame of the GM suits of that current period (Jeddah, Jegan, Jesta)

>>23382626
>>23382349
>>23382112
It takes the "Core Gundam" idea too far, this level of greebles is impractical in the field, the only real function they'd serve is deflecting radar

Apparently AOZ is alternate UC like Origin and Thunderbolt. Is this true?

>>23382672
But it looks cool

>>23382672
What the fuck are you talking about
>>23382668
and what the fuck are you talking about, the TR-S was only delayed with the TR-6 taking priority. The Hazel as a design concept, and especially the Hrair, is all about using "packs" of mission specific equipment. So is the TR-S. So is the Jegan...

>>23382690
No, various references to it are mentioned in other material, even the advanced hazel shows up in a blink or you miss it shot in one of the zeta movies

>>23382894
The Zeta movies are the posterchild for Alt-UC though

>>23366259
Interesting...

I'm pretty sure the beam claws on the GQ Hambrabi are a reference to the Fedayeen rifle, which is neat

>>23382668
It was rejected because TR-6 offered more functionality by unifying the entire EFF mobile weapon structure on a single platform.

>>23382900
You really don't understand what you're talking about.

>>23383075
virgin booster shield Vs chad giant fucking booster lance with railguns

>>23383187
They are though. They distinctly set an alternate UC continuity.

>>23382900
Everything that retcons G-Fighter with Core Booster is Alt-UC.
Meaning AoZ is the real UC and Zeta is Alt-UC.

>>23383208
I don't really mind if you wanna argue the Movies vs Series set alt continuities in the first place, they pretty much do, but ultimately the differences aren't as irreconcilable as ANT vs Z.

Everything that's not an animated work by Tomino is secondary "canon".

>>23383205
It's not about continuity, it's that Origin and Thunderbolt UC are wholly different. Retellings were never alt-UC. ANT, BC and Rebellion aren't alt-UC, just because some events happened a bit different.

>>23383211
Call me when G-Reco will be officially recognized as the sequel to Turn A.

>>23383213
In the first place, "Alt-UC" isn't really a proper term or label because Bandai changes their stance on these things every other week. Which in turn is because that shit just doesn't really matter, it's western fans trying to square a circle and treat a Japanese IP like it's marvel or star wars.

>>23383213
When you can't account for other works (ZZ in this case) you've solidly established an alternate timeline. There's no squaring the ZZ shaped hole after ANT and the route to CCA is a huge question mark (and Unicorn as a result too). It is truly no different than Origin, Thunderbolt or even G-Quuux.

By the way I'm not talking about canon, I don't give a shit about canon. There are continuities that rely on and support other elements of a chain though, hence why I'm using "continuity" and "timeline" rather than canon.

>>23362670
Keep the abominations coming.

>>23383081
This reminds me of EVA Anima art.

>>23383217
Pretty much, yeah.
>>23383218
The only thing that makes ANT and ZZ incompatible is that Haman fucked off, while leaving Axis behind and that was a change designed specifically so that no one would be confused why she's not in CCA (and because Tomino didn't want to make ZZ movies as well).
By the way, I wasn't talking about canon either, I said continuity too, so I'm not sure why you brought this up.

>>23383311
Haman and the entire fleet fucked off, Mineva went to earth, there's literally no more Neo Zeon war and no possibility of ZZ happening.

>>23383328
because that's not the point of the story
the point is giving Kamille a happy ending

>>23383331
Kamille gets a happy ending in ZZ. Anyways, I'm not making any judgement calls on it being good or bad. Altering the ending is less annoying to me than what the movies cut throughout, personally. Just saying you have to headcanon, effectively, "actually the entire fleet turned back around and decided to continue fighting at most a few days later" to justify ZZ happening even close to the way the show goes.

>>23383333
or you can just take it for what it is, a happier version of Zeta, and not try to force it into some narrow mindset about a continuity or whatever

>>23383336
those aren't mutually exclusive
I can recognize the value of the work itself and still acknowledge it no longer makes sense for ZZ to follow it, you don't have to choose one or the other.

>>23383328
You can still bullshit a splinter fleet led by Glemy and Haman returning to reign him in and/or Char actually getting involved in Neo Zeon business at a earlier date (like Tomino initially planned).
Though my real point was that CCA would happen either way, I wasn't arguing about ZZ still happening in that post, even if I have some ideas of how it could happen.
>>23383333
BTW, Kamille is half-dead in Moon or something. One more thing to thank Fukui for.

>>23383345
You can bullshit anything you want, that's the power of creative writing, but it's gonna be bullshit is the thing. Look I dunno what else to say than if it removes 1/5th of the foundational stories of UC that's a pretty alternative UC. Not saying being alt UC is good or bad. Not saying you can't go write a new ZZ Origidefine (someone please do, ZZ retelling manga is the actually needed one of the bunch whether it follows ANT or Z) and have it follow ANT, but as it exists Z and ZZ as TV series are conjoined at the hip and you've got major rewrites to do from episode 1, when the whole MC of the story gets his vibe checked by Kamille who can't fight anymore and NZ is invading Earth. I don't get what's contentious about this. It's just literally an alternate continuity, the events are too incompatible to both exist together. There's nothing good or bad or less valid. It just is.

This should be a thing.

Reboot draws a lot from ZZ and AoZ as a whole doesn't really have anything contradictory to basically any work so it really doesn't matter

TR-6 [Asshimar II]

>>23383250
Same artist

>>23383629
She looks happy to see me

>>23383213
>>23383217
Bandai/Sunrise does have a term for that: Another UC, which was revealed in a One Year War history book.

>>23383644
Yeah, they used it once some years ago and not once since then.
Wasn't it a movie pamphlet for Narrative, anyway? These aren't worth much, last year's chart at some event had Origin and TB lined up with other UC stuff with no distinction. There was other weird stuff there like having Turn A movies separately from the show but that only reinforces that they don't really care about these things.

>>23383355
That's a Montero

>>23383747
G-Reco me ha my beloved
I wonder if Elf Bullock's massed tiny beam guns are how Enhanced Shield Booster would look like if animated.

>>23383762
yeah, but without curving beams, much lower output and range, and much less accuracy. So actually, more similar to Psycho Gundam's chest canon, only tiny and mostly harmless

>>23383629
>still a flying pumpkin

>>23382112
>>23382349
it be weird if it's not 18m desu because judging by the few artworks we have it's too tall to be mid UC height like Nu or Sinanju but not tall enough to be Xi or Odysseys sized
fuck off with this OC height shit

>>23384121
It's most likely going to be around the 20~m mark like Barzam II. It absolutely is above 18 thanks to the thigh and leg construction. Fujioka doesn't give too much of a fuck about listed heights though. Hyzenthlay is/was a very nebulous size until it got a model kit.

>>23384437
funny thing is that it's more nebulous after getting the kit

>>23384444
Depends which way you think, I guess. For my part the model kits are the best gauge we'll ever get of this. Fujioka scales things however he feels like but there's no getting around something like the Barzam II that demands everything be in scale with an established design (Barzam).

Anyways behold, a Hazel Hrair's height.

>>23383713

It was last year.

The next UC history book, covering at least Z, is in the works. Expect the Z films to be in the Another UC section.

>>23381298
>>23384455
thats a comically out-of-scale booster shield on the hrair if it truly is only 20m

>>23384548
Yeah, given the colouring I assume it's actually straight up an HGUC shield. Comparing to the original lineart of the El-Ahrairah the shield's a bit too small for the body but not by a huge amount. The top of the shield should be nearly even with the head, and the bottom even with the knees. Course that's just referencing one piece of art and god knows how troublesome that can be.

Barzam II with shield booster height comparison

>>23384570
god that looks sexy

>>23384570
i desperately need bandai to reprint any kit with a 1/144 shield booster

>>23384572
The Barzam II model is one of my absolute faves. The regular Woundwort is a fiddly mess when you start plugging in parts to form the alternative layouts but the Barzam II's more stable torso makes it a dream. I fucking love the structure of the combined TR-6 machines/Hazel Hrair, they become so imposing.

>>23384588
I really suggest you look at Chinese bootlegs for AoZ shit. Their quality is fairly close, but they're available 24/7 for cheap as dirt. The back CSB binders on that Barzam II I just posted were from a Chinese Hazel II bootleg.

>>23384595
Oh yeah, and the rifle it's holding (folding Kehaar one is what it's most known as) is Chinese bootleg only I guess for what it's worth too.

>>23384455
Hoping the adaptor that comes with the reben wolf legs works with doven wolf legs so I can put those on a hazenthley II

>>23384546
ANT is definitely alternate UC.

>>23385918
They already released an adaptor for the Doven Wolf legs. The Reben's are unique and definitely don't work with the Doven. Sorry friend.

>>23386871
Does it use the same leg adaptors that come with the p-Bandai advanced Hazel?

>>23387224
Yes, it's one of the three included knee parts. I think it's the typical one that you use for Hazel, but I can't recall. Either way it's in there.

>>23387241
lewd exposed hip joint

>>23387241
>in progress mk v
Nice

gigantic arms make everything better

>>23384604
how is it? I've had good experiences with Effect Wings so I imagine the gun is also good but it feels like it's kinda pricy for what amounts to a few parts.

>>23387554
not mine to be clear, just grabbed it from gumpla.jp.
>>23387565
As good as anything official. It's a large gun so it's not so bad, but I mean yeah, it's a little pricy for what you get I guess.

>>23387573
Thanks, might grab one for myself then. Not sure for what exactly, but it'd be nice to have. Bit silly to pay as much as for a whole bootleg HG but at the same time this gun could be worth more than just a bootleg HG.

>>23387593
I grabbed two myself, I thought I'd pose one with the Kehaar II but I don't actually like it with it much. So I just have an extra now, I'm sure I'll use it for something.

>>23387594
been thinking of giving one to a Marasai. It looks cool with the beeeeg launcher but something a bit less ginormous could fit well too.

>>23387598
>bit less ginormous
the folding rifle is honestly basically that size, the barrel just isn't as THICC. The gun is seriously huge, as tall as Hyzenthlay.

>>23387600
yeah that's what I mean, it's still loooong but it doesn't have the same sheer bulk and mass to it like the suit is lugging around an artillery cannon

Keraunos has such a nice color scheme

Why does the Barzam II have the shield booster on backwards?

>>23388828
It can rotate I'm pretty sure

>>23388795
I'm not big on cockpit hatch highlighting, it never works for me.

>>23356227 (OP)
question, where are you people getting these kits from? >>23356281 >>23362372
>>23384570

>>23389277
probably twitter for the first two. First one is a lot of kitbashing. Second one's mostly just PB kits + some minor kitbashing with a Psyco Mark II or Typheus kit. I'm the third post, I just bought it from P-Bandai (and the rifle from AliExpress).

Are there lore explanations why the Rah ditches the Hazenthley II's Mk. V face for a conventional Gundam one?

>>23390170
It's just minor option equipment, a chin guard to protect the sensors. Sometimes it's equipped, sometimes it's not. You can have regular Haze'n-thley II without it as well.

i love the exaggerated hazenthley proportions on the scratchbuilt model

>>23390730
Maybe it's because I don't own the model, bit I'm not noticing anything exaggerated, except maybe the crotch wundy being a bit bigger?

>>23390730
god dang these cannons are ginormous

Brutal.

>>23390920
It's a Puru's destiny to die in needlessly cruel ways

>>23391053
Not a Puru, just a random Puruvian pilot

What's Alicia's tax policy?

gooning to this
https://hobby.dengeki.com/aoz/illust/reboot80/

also new Inle manga translation
HE is here
https://comick.io/comic/advance-of-zeta-re-boot-gundam-inle-black-rabbit-had-a-dream/TA53gY03-chapter-6-en

>>23391663
Hell yeah, put Messala guns on everything. I wanna see them on TR-6 suits

>>23390267
I wish the HGs of the Haze'nthley II and the Rah had the reboot style back skirts. They're my favorite MS but they somehow improved on perfection

>>23391663
This is neat, but I wish it would show Rah II Hrair Second Form instead of just teasing in text that it is still a thing.
That said Hoist Hrair is sex.

>>23391663
Advanced Marasai Holst Hrair
Bit of a mouthful, but it's pretty self-explanatory if you keep in mind the previous entries. Advanced Marasai is a Marasai unit enhanced with TR Plan upgrade parts ranging from large leg thrusters to Gundam TR-1 type backpack with a bunch of other stuff in between - also note the Xeku Eins-like head sensor in place of the antenna. The most important thing here is the booster pod backpack, as that enables combination with a [Hrududu] unit for further performance increase. In this case, it's a [Hrududu Thethuthinnang Hrair], the enhanced form using parts from Gundam TR-S [Hazel Hrair]. To be more specific, it's a [Thethuthinnang Holst Hrair] - the "Holst" moniker denotes that it's equipped with Messala's boosters, or in other words the Holst unit. Notably, these are taking place of [Hrududu II]-style wing/shoulder units that we've usually seen on [Thethuthinnang], rather than being attached to their drum frames. It's the same kind of structure as on regular [Hrududu Holst], where the boosters replaced its wing units and were connected to the main body via the "small-type" drum frame of their own.

>>23391751
Naturally the Holst unit has much higher thrust than the wing units, though it loses out on the versatility of subarms, claw unit and the aforementioned heavy-duty drum frame structure. On the other hand... well, it's still Messala boosters. The beam cannons at the tips are still there, and it's also equipped with the missile launchers that normally make up Messala's shoulders. The cylindrical drum frame is also connected to a pair of Messala's claw with vulcans and grenade launchers. I hesitate to say the claws are usable in this form (unlike on Gundam TR-1 [Hazel Holst] where they're mounted on the arms but it's impossible to say for sure at this point.
The Marasai itself, meanwhile, is carrying the by now commonly seen rapid fire beam launcher, but this time equipped with the revolver-type E-Pac holder. Incidentally, we also have a good look at its chest including the double-layered armoring in case there were still doubts about Xeku Eins similarities.
In general, the concept of [Hrududu] as a versatile upgrade unit for mobile suits in the form of enhancement parts, a concept that was seen as early as the One Year War with for example the G-Fighter. G-Parts such as this were also employed by AEUG, most notably in the form of the G-Defenser. It's mostly known for usage with Gundam Mk-II, but GM III and Nemo (with a changed backpack) could also equip it, and after the war SSD's captured Barzam units also used it. Simply put, [Hrududu] and G-Defenser are both sets of enhancements parts that can be applied to compatible mobile suits

>>23391752
Gundam TR-S shared enhancement parts
The goal of [Hazel Hrair]'s development was integrating all the needs of Federation Forces into a single platform. In accordance with this model integration plan, the parts that make up [Hazel Hrair] can be rearranged and reconfigured using the versatile bellows frame, allowing them to be tuned and focused on different roles depending on the circumstances. The foundation of the system is a set of common enhancement parts, such as the cockpit unit, nosecone unit and stabilizer unit - the same parts that make up [Thethuthinnang Hrair]'s central structure.
The graph in the middle visualizes this - the (very rare) linearts have these parts highlighted, though it's best to zoom in to really see them. [El-Ahrairah]'s nosecone is better visibile in the MA mode, while [Hazel Hrair]'s rear view offers a good look at the booster pod with the drum frame connecting it to the center as well as the booster units - two mounted on the butt, two with stabilizers attached onto the shield booster.
Beneath that is the [Hrududu] structure with each piece highlighted. First, it's the most central part showing the cockpit that's usually covered by the nosecone and the stabilizers attached to the booster pod.
Below and to the left is [Thethuthinnang Hrair], same as usual.
But to the right there is something new - or rather, something older. This is [Hrududu Hrair], harkening back to promotional material from nearly the very start of Reboot project. This wasn't in a Dengeki Hobby mook illustration, as I understand this was on a poster at an event. Either way, this form has all the central pieces highlighted. The unit mounted on its right appears to be one of the Gigantic Arms of the same type as [El-Ahrairah]'s while the right one might be a Hyper Mega Cannon. In the center, directly below the core part, is a weapon container - again, same type that [El-Ahrairah] has a pair of.

>>23391753
Owsla Rah II Hrair
Now, time for the belle of the ball. Naturally, it's a combination of [Hazel Owsla] and [Thethuthinnang Hrair]. Since it's equipped with both the [Hrududu II] wing units and TR-S standard parts, it's called [Rah II Hrair]. By comparison, the Marasai earlier has the wing units replaced with Holst unit so it cannot be called a [Rah II].
In the illustration it's equipped with the the same long rifle we have previously seen for example on [Thethuthinnang Hrair] itself - it's a variation of the classic long blade rifle, where instead of a heat blade the barrel is equipped with extra cooling for rapid fire and additional sensors. But that's not the only standout part here. Naturally [Thethuthinnang Hrair] is plain to see on the back, but there's other changes compared to regular [Owsla] - the rear of the long rifle has a bellows frame arm. Here it appears to be in a compact form and unused, but it could extend and attach to the suit for more energy and power transfer compared to only using the hand itself. I would presume it connects at the shoulder hardpoint as usual - [Owsla] has been depicted like that before, though with a less flexible attachment compared to a proper bellows arm. Similarly, the shield booster looks to be attached via a bellows arm, and the surface has latches for further additions - for example, the Advanced Binder Unit but there could be other gear mounter there as well.
Last but certainly not least, it goes without saying that's not a normal [Hazel] head sensor. It is definitely reminiscent of Psycho Blade units, but not quite as ostentatious - the blades are running close to the head rather than sticking out as an figurehead. It could be an early iteration, or a variant, or something different still. Regardles, I'm certain it's something related to BUNNyS.

>>23391755
Laster but not leaster, [Thethuthinnang Hrair] can also be combine with a second unit, same as [Hrududu] and [Hrududu II]. In this form it's a proper independent MA/space fighter. And same as them, this can also combine with mobile suits into a [Hrair Second Form] or a cruising form. On something like [Hazel] it's ought to be pretty similar to [Hazel-Rah Second Form], with the second unit mounted onto the crotch latch, but I have to wonder how this works with the other Advanced series that don't have this mounting point. I think we'll find out sooner or later. Strictly speaking the [Owsla] depicted here isn't called [Kelderek Owsla] so we can't say for sure if it's the same thing that was namedropped a while back, but if it's not it sure as hell seems similar to the concept.

>>23391663
protip anon
right click image > open in new tab

>>23391755
What an insane head.

Guess we can seriously expect Hazel Hrair very soon.

>>23391760
I wanted to conserve the text, it's not worth much here since it's all moonrunes but sometimes it helps to have this stuff labeled on the pic. Though a bigger pic might be better, but either way it comes with a direct link so it doesn't change much.

>>23391677
There's a couple of custom designs like that, it'd be neat to see an official take on it. Though with the way [Holst] is structured it takes the place of [Hrududu II] wing/shoulder units rather than mounting onto them so it might be a bit awkward to stick that onto a Woundy. Or maybe not, and besides it could always still be mounted onto the wing units anyway.
>>23391715
Kelderek Owsla was teased like that too, but now it's here.
...well, maybe? Probably?
>>23391766
I'll eat my Barzam if vol 100 isn't about [Hrair] itself

Watch vol 100 be some out of pocket shit like Zaku III RGK-type

real

>>23391779
>I'll eat my Barzam if vol 100 isn't about [Hrair] itself
Oh yeah, time for Hrududu Thethuthinnang Hambrabi Hrair!

>>23391818
ngl the v-fin isn't hitting for me. Maybe I'll like it from another angle but I think this is the worst high concept v-fin Fujioka's done, a far cry from the beauty of the Psycoblades.

>>23391848
People noticed that the v-fin(s) seem to be attached in such a way as to not interfere with the sensors of the four-eye type. If this is true, it could look kinda like that from another angle.

>>23391760
>>23391663
Kinda reminds me of a phoenix
Wait a minute-

>>23392077
Inle is a rabbit that flies! It can make any dream come true!

>>23391663
Is it just me or the Messala boosters look a little small? It's hard to tell from this angle but they should be roughly as long as Marasai is tall and I'm not sure if that adds up here.

>>23392104
Something scaled wrong in AoZ? We're going to have to get John Bandai on the phone immediately.
Jokes aside it seems a little small, yeah. I'm honestly a little bothered by AoZ stuff using parts lifted from a pretty Scirocco exclusive design but it is what it is I guess.

>>23391663
Almost to volume 100, better have a big bombshell reveal of whatever they have in store

>>23392125
I agree. Moreover I hope they will state the model numbers for the new stuff, or at least for the Thethuthinnang Hrair (my more autistic side would hope a distinct model number for everything...)

>>23392276
I suspect [Thethuthinnang Hrair] shares the RX-123 model number with TR-S, same as how [Hrududu II] is RX-124 like TR-6. They operate on the same principle as being part of their respective platform and being made up of the same parts. [Hrududu II] at its core is [Woundwort]'s, uh, core with booster pod, subarm and cockpit attached plus the wing units. [Thethuthinnang Hrair] is [Hazel Hrair]'s cockpit and booster pod with the nosecone attached. It's all legos from the same kit, basically.
Granted, it could also have a separate model number I guess. [Hrududu II] is sometimes referred to as FF-X39A echoing [Hrududu]'s FF-X29A number but if that's the case it'll still be just alternative classification.

>vol 100 comes out
>it's Hazel Hrair
>HG, RG and MG kits announced on the same day
>every single active Gundam video game adds it immediately
>ReHaze follows the next day, same treatment
>the day after that Alicia Zabi-shaped dakimakura comes out
>blood and riots on the streets once it's revealed she took the place of Woundwort dakimakura
>AoZ is cancelled and never spoken off again, Fujioka lives in exile in Nebraska

>>23384570
Wanna know something weird about the EW Kehaar II rifle? They went so far as to give an alternate grip that can more convincingly fit the TR-6 hand mold which otherwise doesn't have a dedicated trigger finger hand. Pretty well thought out right?

It is until you notice they completely omitted the side grip that comes with the Hazel beam rifle. It is supposed to be there on all configurations of the rifle, but EW decided to skip it for some odd reason.

>>23392097
Sauce? Is that a Haze'nthley II Rah on the bottom?

>>23392516
I don't find it too odd myself. The grip placement is extremely difficult to utilize for a variety of reasons. Fujioka's designs lacking sub-elbow forearm rotation is a very big one and IMO a major blunder for all his designs (not like he's alone in it but since he gives so much effort in mechanical design I feel let down), but loads of geometry in the way on most kits to use it is another. Lotsa beam rifle side-grips end up being completely useless on models for these two reasons, but even with the proper articulation and ability to grip it it's a really useless feature. If you want to two hand a long weapon you can just grab the barrel - MS hands don't need to worry about getting a little spicy unlike human hands. I think the only grip to really make much sense off the top of my head is maybe the mega beam gatling of the Quess Doga (and Reboot Zaku III etc) since you can't really brace via barrel on a gatling.

I mean on the otherhand they could just mold it in and let it be useless, but I guess my real thoughts are that that grip is kinda dumb and I'm kinda happy it's removed (and would be happy if a whole lot of rifles had their secondary grips removed too).

>>23392516
uuuh uuuuuh um
IT'S A DIFFERENT VARIANT

I like the slutty titans rabbit that one's my favorite i think

>>23392640
that's all of them nonny

>>23392646
Hnnrghh imma fuck these stupid mascots

Man I really hope we get another kit with the cyllindrical drum frames or Aqua Hambrabi II gets a bootleg. They're really handy for a lot of the Hrududu configurations.

>>23393385
I feel like a transpack expansion set kinda thing isn't too unlikely. After the Reben Wolf (great kit btw, enjoying building mine quite a lot) I wouldn't be too surprised now to see the Advanced Hizack or Marasai, they seem to be some of the more popular designs outside the Gundams and Gaplants. I personally really hope we get the Reben Wolf Custom and Reboot Zaku III. The Fenris Wolf would also be extremely cool but I kinda have doubts they'd do it.

HG Reben gives me hope for a Gelgoog III model kit

>>23393459
With how popular a 3D print of it got with JP modellers on Twitter I feel like it'd do well

>>23393441
Absolute sexo! I wonder if Bandai will ever do an update hazel Gundam only to reinforce the hip joint so it can better carry all this equipment they keep piling on it. If not now, then probably never
>>23393459
Same, but mostly because we haven't gotten an updated Gelgoog kit of any kind for awhile now. It's still crazy to me that the Origin line didn't come out with like 5 Gelgoog kits like they did with the Zaku. We were so close I can practically envision the box art in my head as if they were in front of me rn. Not that I dislike the design or kit but they Gcuck Goog isn't even a Goog at all, so any new actual Goog would be appreciated

>>23393482
>update hazel Gundam only to reinforce the hip joint
They did actually, the Hyzenthlay kits have new hips exclusive to them. Unfortunately the Owslas they released afterwards didn't come with them, they're still exclusive updates to the Hyzenthlay. It's honestly baffling the Gigantic Arms Owsla didn't come with them but I guess they figured it didn't matter and was gonna need stands anyways.

>>23393441
interesting Vfin setup

>>23393505
Sorry meant to say the waist joint because that single polycap can't handle all the weight. That's cool they updated the hips though, although I always found the GM Quel derivative kits to be perfectly fine without all the modern bells and whistles

As an aside to that, I dont like the new direction bandai is going with the GM style kits, mostly the origin ones. They are too skinny and with all that articulation they just look very effeminate as opposed to the well proportioned GM Quel/Custom/C-type

>>23391663
This head design is almost eldritch levels of "what the fuck am I even looking at?"

>>23393785
>>23391913

kinda wild we've had a general for a mildly niche Gundam sub-topic active for like over a year now

>>23394140
To be honest, AoZ is basically THE work for anyone who has gotten really into UC Gundam. It ties together tons of esoteric strings over a few decades and pumps out a bunch of interesting mechanical designs. It's become an invisible thread supporting the timeline turning to Late UC and it's wonderful.

>>23394749
>It's become an invisible thread supporting the timeline turning to Late UC
Too far. Even Twilight Axis of all things got a stronger case for that.
As much as I enjoy callbacks in Cluster, I also feel like they are as shallow as they are for a reason.

Hrairoo Holst... think about it

it's a simple thing but a GM Type CR kit would be really nice, especially if it's based on the Type C mold and retains the proportions

>>23395378
Well, I disagree. It's finally explored Mars beyond it just existing for F90 and nothing else. Even just focusing on the technical drawings and design details, it provides a lot of structure and context for even unrelated series because of how he just does things. While a lot of these aren't canon connections, they are thoughtful analyzations of disparate designs. The drum frame itself is a marvel of that, drawing inspiration from Gaza, Oggo and Sandhoge, three machines that had probably never even thought of each other when designed IRL. In story, with Reboot in the mix, it's become a powerful throughline from 0079 to nealy 120 and wraps up a lot of loose ends while fleshing out the Grypps War more than just about anything else. Out of story AoZ has been running as a property on and off for 20 years and tying together mechanical loose ends for the entirety of UC.

There simply isn't really anything else with its pedigree out there. AoZ is one of the few works which has a more holistic view on UC rather than being a little sidestory in one time and place or involving a somewhat insignificant plot as a vehicle for the character stories and hyping up a new Gundam design. Which isn't bad either, don't get me wrong, just different. This probably sounds a little like fart sniffing but I'm not really trying to. It simply does something very unique and there's not another property in Gundam that does anything like it. It takes the timeline pretty seriously, tries to take MS development timelines as seriously as the timeline allows, and follows in Sentinel's footsteps on designing more practically minded weapons of war a la Fiver than your average story.

>>23395578
>The drum frame itself is a marvel of that, drawing inspiration from Gaza, Oggo and Sandhoge, three machines that had probably never even thought of each other when designed IRL.
I mean, isn't Oggo his design?

>>23395610
Yeah it is, so I suppose you can strike the Oggo from it. The Oggo and TR-6/drum frames both cropped up at very similar times IRL at that. Ditch it from the list if you want.

>>23395610
nta but holy shit, I had no idea. I knew he was credited for mecha design in IGLOO but didn't know anything specific.
>>23395613
IIRC drum frames are a pretty interesting story because adding them wasn't Fujioka's idea at all, it had something to do a request from the publisher (Dengeki) and compatibility for possible model kits. But he went above and beyond to ground the mechanism and tie to to a shit ton of different things, making it feel like a real part of the setting rather than a model kit contrivance.

personally I think just looking at the TR-6 says it all, the super project final poster mech of FoT was a souped up corefighter-MS designed to simplify logistics chains. compare that to unicorn of the same time which was just how much more magic can we make our lead gundam, also don't think about the neo zeong or how the sleeves could possibly make it. definitely don't think about the implications of retconning UC to have been founded on not just predicting newtypes (and effectively zeon) but preemptively oppressing them because zeon just wasn't righteous enough yet. AoZ handles everything with infinitely more grace and practicality.

>>23395674
aaaand that's a reminder this is still /m/

This is my favorite thread on 4chan. Over time I dropped every general I checked daily, save for this one

>>23394140
Where does the thick leg parts come from? Custom or an existing kit?

>>23395867
custom based on Advanced Kehaar II

>>23394140
A lot of these posts are all me btw. No joke. Sometimes I reply to myself using different writing styles to pretend I'm a different anon just to get ideas out there and the discussion rolling.

why do I do this? I don't know
my love for AoZ might have turned me into a schizo

>>23394749
I first got into Gundam back in 2015 with IBO. I stumbled across a thread on /m/ with pic related as the OP and I really dug the look of the head design. I think it's a crying shame this TR-6 head doesn't exist outside of this one image but alas. Also does anyone remember the time when the Woundwort was pretty much /m/'s favorite MS design? Feels like that doesn't get said at all these days. I think everyone one of us that had that opinion took refuge in these threads.

It got me curious about where it was from though so I went looking. And it love at first sight for all the Flag of Titans design. So yeah you might say I jumped right into the deep end when getting into the franchise like a retard. No regrets.

>>23396293
And the nostalgia is hitting me like a truck due to looking at that image again. Man. Simpler times.

On the plus side, AoZ designs get representation in model kit form now so it's not all bad these days.

So I wanna look into A.O.Z and I'm just curious what to do as a dekinai.
I see theres a Flag of The Titans manga, but it's not fully translated (Looks like Zeonic will have it done soon though), but I know this is just a novel's story adapted to a manga right? Then I went and looked for the novel, and I see Zeonic has two volumes translated, are those the only two?
And then is Reboot just a reboot?

>>23396293
A lot of these posts are all me btw. No joke. Sometimes I reply to myself using different writing styles to pretend I'm a different anon just to get ideas out there and the discussion rolling.
well this is awkward cause I've been doing the same thing
>>23396325
>Flag of Titans
Novel original, manga adapts with skipping over one portion but expanding on the other
Zeonic translated the novel, is working on the manga. There's an older scantalation but it's very rough.
>Traitor to Destiny
Novel original, manga adaptation is incomplete. Also has Mace of Judgement side story. Largely unrelated to FoT but references pop up once in a while.
Novel untranslated, manga has a pretty bad translation. Mace translation is only a little better iirc. No idea if Zeonic is gonna touch it.
>Reboot
Reboot itself is a project to retouch, clarify and massively expand on FoT's mechanical and background info. It's a companion project to the new
>Gundam Inle: Black Rabbit had a Dream
Manga original, currently on hiatus. Fist volume was translated by /u/ of all people a few years back, recently Crossbone Scanguard picked up where they left of, the translation is solid.

>>23396331
>Zeonic translated the novel
Oh so it's just those two volumes? Cool,

Also thanks for the super great breakdown, answered every question I could have had. Will at least read Flag of Titans and then go from there.

it even fits how the v-fin is segmented in the back

>>23396368
still not feeling it
if this was the intent he should've made a fierce looking eagle at the point of the fin instead of another cutesy anthro rabbit

>>23396331
Actually I have one other random question, so related to Gundam spinoffs, so most people accept we'll probably never see a Sentinel anime due to licensing shenanigans (read as: Bandai is too cheap) but does A.O.Z have any of that weird licensing shit too or is it 100% pure Bandai owned?
Not like I'd ever expect this to get adapted, but just wondering.

>>23396373
Ah, but what if that's the trick? All these suits are named after Watership Down rabbits. But there's another famous rabbit from a british story of that era the Titans could use as inspiration.

>>23396338
right, forgot to add that. It's just the two volumes, they're rather short and to the point so it's a pretty different experience from most Gundam stuff.
I'd also recommend reading or watching Watership Down, and I am not joking. Knowing the story and the characters is really helpful in keeping track of the suit names and, more importantly, understanding why they're named like that and what these names convey.
>>23396377
Honestly no idea how that works, it's all published via Dengeki Hobby but that in and on its own shouldn't be a problem, it's hardly the only Gundam story there. AFAIK with Sentinel the real issue was that they didn't clarify things properly back in the day. There were early plans for a short OVA for it back in the day but that ran into its own problems rather than legal issues. As I understand nowadays Bandai has rights to everything except the story proper and the characters, which is why references to it do pop up sometimes but if, say, there's S Gundam in a game there won't be Ryu Roots coming along with it.
There's no evidence AoZ has any of these issues, even if it's not pure Bandai property due to the publisher they still have a proper deal and understanding with each other so it won't get in the way on the off chance anything animated ever happens.

>>23396378
going to commit a sin here
I don't care about the cute rabbit stuff Fujioka is into
those drawings of MS Girls that he does? don't care for it
I like the emblems I like the Psycho Blade v-fin but he really should stop injecting that into other designs

Does this have anything to do with the timeline during the zeta/UC universe? It's just a story about creating gundams? I read the wiki page but I didn't quite understand

>>23396409
Flag of Titans is a story about a Titans test team squad with story going from UC 0084 to 0088

>>23396396
That's unfortunate, anon.

>>23396378
>TR-666 [Caerbannog]

>>23396389
>Cel animated S-gundam
Ahh what could’ve been
>>23396491
“The most powerful and deadly of all titans mobile weapons is right behind that asteroid, THERE!”
>”What where?”
“RIGHT THERE!”
>”What behind that rabbit shaped HARO?”
“It is the HARO”

Always hurts my heart when an AoZ thread autosages

>>23396974
you didn't post enough robutts

What are the AoZ designs furthest in the timeline?

>>23396992
El-Ahrairah and Rehaze, but the upgraded Mars F90 in Cluster is a very direct continuation of Hrududu + Gigantic Arms Unit ultimately

>>23396974
I always withhold my takes when the AoZ autosages. Someone make a new thread pronto.

>>23396992
Gotta be Re-Haze, it's a Haze'n-thley II that was modified on Mars. Though I don't think we have an exact timeframe it was probably post ZZ.

Sexen Wolf

Question, which UC MS lineages have completely incompatible parts with others MS lineage?

>>23397265
I'm not following, what do you mean?

>>23397265
Zeon suits had a lot of funky stuff going on prior to introduction of the United Maintenance Plan.
(though admittedly the UMP was less about fixing "incompatibilities" and more about streamlining MS construction and ease of maintenance)

>>23397265
Aside from lineages which were designed specifically to be plug and play, like the TR plan or the original 079 trio, most parts need at least some level of tinkering to work. Conversely, you can stick a Zaku II head on the Zeta so nothing is truly incompatible

>>23397265
at the end of the day it's all metal and other materials, even if the standards of every last thing are different with enough work you can stick any piece of hardware together and make any software compatible
question is if you have the means, knowledge time and resources to do that

>>23397706
And then by Unicorn you can just download the drivers for a random zeek gun off the internet and you're good. Though maybe that was all AE tech talking to itself

>>23397710
yeah that's explicitly the point of the scene, Unicorn and the beam gatling have the same manufacturer so the suit's OS just needed to download and install the driver from the gun to make it compatible
we also see Nu grab and use a Geara Doga rifle in CCA, it probably already had that data pre-installed since these were standard common grunts whereas the beam gatling was a new design

>>23397724
The best part about AE being corrupt assholes is that tech from both sides becomes compatible

Also, someone should link the new thread here

>>23397815
new thread? but this one can still last a whole day or so

>>23397127
new thread

>>23397818
uh yeah new OP also didn't use the latest illustration but oh well

>>23397839
that's alright, it'll be a backup option in case there's another hiatus and we go a while without new art

>>23392107
>Implying the TTT and Scirocco didn't buy that part from the same place

>>23401162
Scirocco made the Messala from a box of scraps in a cave on the jupitris just for FUN