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In Gquux, Char can only survive against Amuro if he piloting a Gundam. Who would unironically win if both Amuro and Char using Gundam?

>>23360436 (OP)
Amuro
Nu Gundam was inferior to the Sazabi in most ways but Amuro still beat Char with it

It's already been answered repeatedly over the course of several works: Char is only good enough to win against skilled pilots that aren't of ace quality, but loses against aces all the time. Whenever he and Amuro were evenly matched or even when he had the advantage, he always lost.

When Amuro had the Gundam and Char had the Gelgoog, Char lost. The Gelgoog is considered statistically equal or superior to the Gundam in every category that matters.

When Amuro had the Gundam and Char had the Zeong, they stalemated but with Amuro having the upper hand constantly. The Zeong was a monster that was stronger than the Gundam, yet he still couldn't win.

When Amuro had the Nu Gundam and Char had the Sazabi, Amuro won. For all intents and purposes the two were roughly equal, yet Char still got his ass kicked even after Amuro had been worn down by Char's minions beforehand.

>>23360443
Nu Gundam had to be rushed out so it could be given to Amuro as soon as possible so it's actually incomplete

I mean it's pretty self evident. Char barely squeezed out a tie against Challia.
Char needed a Zeong just to get close to
That against Amuro in the Gundam.

Amuro in a GM versus Char in a Zaku II. Who wins?

>>23360446
I think it's funny how Amuro goes 1v2 against both Char AND Gyunei yet people still debate if who was a better pilot. If Gyunei wasn't there the movie would've been a lot shorter and probably titled something like 'Char Gets His Ass Kicked For 20 Minutes'

>>23360482
GM's are way better honestly. Shield, vulcans, beam weapons, and learning computer data.

>>23360455
It's not incomplete except the fin funnels not being tuned. It shared parts from mass production models to get it out faster and cheaper.

>>23360446
Amuro wasn't even taking Char seriously. He left the entire Nu Gundam just parked outside and went into Axis. Char was a total afterthought to him. Imagine chasing a guy for hours after plotting an unbelievably convoluted revenge plot to do murder-suicide and he ghosts you with his car parked outside some random house. Char's not even a side bitch.

>>23360436 (OP)
For all intent and purpose, Char survived because Amuro forfeit. Not because Char needed a better machine.
>>23360484
Gyunei also would be dead meat in the first 10 minutes of the movie if Char didn't save his ass against Amuro and the Re-Gz.

>>23360436 (OP)
Stat-wise the MS-14S Gelgoog Commander is pretty damn similar stat-wise to the Gundam, with the exception having slightly less robust protection against kinetic weapons (which of course does not matter because both the Gundam and Gelgoog extensively use beam weaponry which would absolutely hard one-shot both. And that wasn’t even a fair fight; Amuro got jumped by both a Gundam-equivalent MS AND one of the most advanced Mobile Armors that Zeon ever produced. And he WON, effectively getting a firepower kill on the Gelgoog (technically surviving but unable to defend itself and forced to retreat from the battle) and a catastrophic kill on the Elmeth. For all intents and purposes it’s fair to say a 1v1 between Amuro in an RX-78 and Char in another RX-78 ends with Char getting burgerized

>>23360446
To be fair the Amuro didn't win against Char in Gelgoog because he was better, he won because Lalah prevented Char from killing Sayla and Amuro took advantage of him being distracted.
Char gives a better fight in Gelgoog than in Zeong if we're being fair, he only survived because was aiming at the standard cockpit position instead of head.

Stat-wise the MS-14S Gelgoog Commander is pretty damn similar to the Gundam, with the exception having slightly less robust protection against kinetic weapons (which of course does not matter because both the Gundam and Gelgoog extensively use beam weaponry which would absolutely hard one-shot both).

And that wasn’t even a fair fight; Amuro got jumped by both a Gundam-equivalent MS AND one of the most advanced Mobile Armors that Zeon ever produced. Yes he did get backup at the end of the fight from Sayla in her own MA-adjacent craft but he was already holding his own at this point and she low key was just a distraction for everyone involved. Either way in the end he won, effectively getting a firepower kill on the Gelgoog (technically surviving but unable to defend itself and forced to retreat from the battle) and a catastrophic kill on the Elmeth. And even then the former only ended in Char surviving due to a last second sacrifice from Lalah, bro was dead to rights.

For all intents and purposes it’s fair to say a 1v1 between Amuro in an RX-78 and Char in another RX-78 ends with Char getting burgerized. He had one chance to take out both Amuro and the Gundam at the very beginning of the series and he failed. Char absolutely 100% does NOT survive a fair fight against an experienced, late OYW Amuro in near-equal hardware.

>>23360482
Assuming Amuro has been in long enough to get access to mass production GMs and thus at least has pre-awakening experience, I’d argue the matchup is even worse. Even a bog standard RGM-79 is leagues better than even the ace custom MS-06S Char uses. It’s faster(in fact even faster than the Gundam), has more robust armor despite being lighter, and can use the exact same weaponry the Gundam can. Yes he’d probably deploy with a Spraygun rather than the full sized beam rifle but that thing is still penetrating any MS without dedicated anti-beam defenses.

TLDR: Amuro in RX-78 solos Char in RX-78, Amuro in GM solos Char in Zaku S

>>23360436 (OP)
Zeong > Gelgoog=Gundam and Amuro won against both. Amuro is just a better pilot.

>>23360436 (OP)
>Who would unironically win
Me for not shoving gunpla up my ass like the rest of you cuck faggots.

>>23360484
Char wasn't trying to kill Amuro. Obviously, Amuro is better than Char, but some people try to portray it as if Char isn't the second best pilot to Amuro in UC and he's a scrub.

>>23360821
He’s not, but he is a cut above most pilots.

>>23360821
>I swear he's the best
>outside of
>amuro
>haman
>literally pre-teen uso
>scirocco
>banana doesn't count! using the unicorn is cheating! Full frontal would've been inferior[citation needed] to the real thing!

>>23360446
In msv-r Johnny Ridden Char bodies like 3 aces at the same time.

>>23360887
But during those fights he was carried by psychoframe which was basically an unknown technology at that time

>>23360889
Nah. He only activates in the end and it instagibs Johnny and Yazan at the same time (and wrecks his own ms).

>>23360889
nope, MSV-R fellates char harder than that. in the middle of johnny clashing with char, char tries to recruit johnny to his side, saying over the radio that he knows kycilia's real intent for johnny ridden was to have him be able to take down char, and wouldn't it be better now for johnny to join char, and johnny gets mildly confused in the middle of the fight due to this

then it turns out that char was piloting normally the entire time. after char's flagship gets hit by sniper beams from jacobius and is thus in danger, char decides he needs to end the battle now and activates the prototype psycoframe. char then proceeds to kira-yamato-style slice-and-dice Johnny's custom Gelgoog and smash up Yazan's custom GM III in a matter of seconds.

johnny's custom gelgoog and yazan's custom GM III getting wrecked in this fight are the reason why they end up being forced to upgrade to the even higher spec gelgoog vertex custom and full armor gundam mark II afterward

>>23360869
>haman
Yes? When they were 1 on 1 he was easily dodging her not only on a massive tech disadvantage but on a mobile suit that lacked half of it's limbs. He got caught when he ran out of ammo and resorted to ramming, still caught her from behind.
>scirocco
On par with Haman
>literally pre-teen uso
Sure. Uso is probably better than Amuro
>banana doesn't count! using the unicorn is cheating!
I mean, it literally is, Unicorn is an untouchable god.

>>23361000
>still caught her from behind
She probably subconsciously wanted that.

>>23361000
>Uso is probably better than Amuro
Nah. Uso is definitely in the group directly below Amuro, though. Same with Tobia and Seabook at the end. Late UC protags are nutty pilots.

>>23360958
Unironically insane charwank

>>23361000
>On par with Haman
Didn't Scirroco literally run circles around Char way back in the first half of the series with his Messala? The Hyaku Shiki wasn't even that old then.

>>23361331
The hyaku shiki was outdated before it was even deployed.

Charwank has gotten too far out of hand, to the point people don't realize that Char literally will never compete with Amuro. Amuro is the favorite to be declared the greatest pilot in the Universal Century, and you'd need your finest red lipstick for the sucking off you'd need to give Char to put him even in the Top 10.

Even in Beltorchika's Children, when Amuro has literally just not fucking touched a MS for years and has gotten rusty, while Char has been on full beastmode training for his salty runback and reached the pinnacle of his ability, he not only gets bodied by Amuro, the one chance he gets to kill him is stopped by virtue of the fact AMURO NUTTED IN A BITCH AND HAD A LIFE while Char was busy seething.

He didn't just lost to Amuro in a fight, he lost to Amuro at existence itself.

>>23361000
Scirocco is a lot better than Haman, like the difference between Scirocco and Haman is the gap between Amuro and Lalah in the OYW.

>>23361388
People underestimate Haman. She was fighting on her Quebeley against the most powerful not psycoframe mobile suit. And even then she decided to hold back in the last second against Judau (how is in the same tier of Kamile).

Char wins if he's the main character
Amuro wins if he's the main character

>>23362040
what if they're both MC

>>23362045
We get a new zeta and they don't fight.

>>23360446
Amuro also holds his own against the Sazabi in the discount Zeta

>>23360436 (OP)
GQuuuuuuX Char is different than mainline Char. The former is actually a powerful Newtype instead of an average one.

Quattro was losing to Titan aces in the Hyakushiki. In the end Char isnt that good compared to most ace pilots.

>>23360443
Sazabi has higher on-paper specs and firepower, but it's also mentioned to be slightly imbalance
Nu has lower specs but is actually more stable, with superior versatility with what the Fin Funnels can do like creating a Barrier. It's also kinda implied that it has a better implementation of the Psychoframe. It also has a stronger Beam Saber yeah
It's basically stats vs abilities

>>23362099
Is Nu's primary beam saber outright stronger than Sazabi's beam tomahawk, or was the latter just low on battery because Amuro blew up Sazabi's shield (the beam tomahawk's recharge point) early in their final duel?

>>23362110
I'm just basing it on when Char said verbatim that his saber is weaker, but maybe you are onto something?
It's more direct and simple to just assume Nu's is stronger though

>>23362045
That's how you get space prostitutes making new timelines.

>>23360436 (OP)
Would Char survive if he used the Zakumobile?

>>23362110
I'd assume the latter since Char uses the Sazabi's tomahawk like a fucking rifle in Moon gundam. It's technically the ground type sazabi but I see no reason to believe the final product would be weaker. Probably just uses a lot of juice and since he couldn't recharge it ran out.

>>23362129
He shows up in the moon moon mango too? Jesus, they just can't help themselves, can they?
Also that's fucking stupid, if beam tomahawk could've done it why didn't he ever use it this way in the movie? I'm sure there were scenarios where this would've been useful.
From the movie itself the main gimmick of tomahawk seems to be that it can used as a throwing weapon, not that it's giga strong compared to normal saber or anything, though I may be forgetting something.

>>23362148
Amuro shows up too, I wouldn't be surprised if by the end of it Amuro beats his ass again.

>>23362168
>HOW MANY MORE TIMES DO I HAVE TO KEEP BEATING YOUR ASS BEFORE YOU FINALLY STOP CHAR!

>>23362169
>MA LEGS AINT BROKE YET NIGGA

>>23361455
Judau is not a good pilot lmao. If the ZZ weren't so heavily armored those wannabe tri-stars in the Jamru Fins would have killed him 3 times over. The ZZ gundam does a lot of heavy lifting for him. Even shit like charging at Rakan's Doven Wolf was only possible because the FA ZZ's beam coating was holding out much better than expected. Astonaige says it can only take 3 seconds of attacks but Judau just barrels through shit

>>23362148
At least it's not as wanky as some of his other appearances. The old earthnoid guy awakens some newtype powers and almost has Char dead to rights if not for this bullshit

>>23362110
>>23362123
Char was just throwing everything he had to Amuro while chasing him around. He throws the tomahawk at Amuro earlier in the battle and it flies off into space, but at some point he magically gets it back. Probably newtype force pulled it from space, but it lost most of its charge because he's a dumbass.

>>23362099
>It's also kinda implied that it has a better implementation of the Psychoframe
That's hard to believe considering the guys at Granada just stuck it into the cockpit to replace the original psycommu system Amuro planned. It's a nigrig because they got their hands on it from R&D at the last second. It's not even properly tuned when Amuro takes the Nu. Just sounds like charwankers coping.

>>23362450
>He throws the tomahawk at Amuro earlier in the battle and it flies off into space

>>23362110
Where does the "shield is the charger for axe" comes from? I don't see it in the wiki page for sazabi.

>>23360436 (OP)
Char will use his magical girl powers to defeat Amuro with the power of friendship and gay sex

>>23362508
The tomahawk is stored in the shield, and the majority of all beam weapon storage/mount/docks recharge the weapon while they're not being used.

If you really wanna get autistic about it, there is a possibility that the shield is just a slab of metal and doesn't have any internal battery or connection to Sazabi's reactor through the arm shield mount to recharge the tomahawk with. Would need to do a deeper dive into some databooks or model kit booklets to see what the lore says and if some sources might contradict others.

I find it more of an asspull that it wasn't possible to just power and recharge the tomahawk saber-axe directly through the hand when we know handplugs exist and already supply power for beam rifles that way.

>>23362642
>the majority of all beam weapon storage/mount/docks recharge the weapon while they're not being used.
I always assumed that they're powered constantly through the connection with the hand. Normal beam saber is fucking tiny and it produces a huge constantly beam for prolonged periods of time. I know it's sci-fi tech but it's hard to believe it's purely battery powered when huge beam rifles use whole cartridges the size of a bed to shoot one burst.

>>23362168
They're even near each other right now, Amuro is attacking the base that Char is defending

>>23362129
Reminds me of Epyon in that one SRPG game (one of the SD Gundam games?) where it had 'range 4' melee attacks.

>>23360958
where is this from?

>>23363254
check the filename

>>23363254
Anon.... filename.

>>23360436 (OP)
At the beginning of the series Char wins hands down. After about episode 24-25 Amuro wins because he begins reaching pilot skill escape velocity over Char. Evident by Char immediately jobbing to Amuro after that. Even in a Zgok which has better beam weapons than the gundam.

>>23362129
Thats not particularly unique for beam weapons, the hyaku shikis beam sabers could do the same.

>>23360436 (OP)
Given char jobs to the OG gundam even with a machine plucked 14 years into the future, its quite clear amruo is the superior pilot. Kinda baffling honestly but hey, the white devil is feared for a reason.

>>23364402
I don't doubt it but I can't for the life of me recall when that happened or was mentioned.

>>23361385
I agree with everything you said but also Amuro in Beltorchika's children is about the same as Amuro in CCA where he has been working for Karaba for awhile before getting in Londo Bell. Amuro is pretty much at his peak in either timeline. Doesn't matter though as Amuro was already able to body Char like a month into the OYW. Only difference is that in BC Amuro is able to get a completed Nu in the form of the Hi-Nu, but likewise Char is able to get the Nightingale which wasn't feasible in CCA so it evens out

>>23360436 (OP)
A better question is if Char could have grown as much as Amuro did as a pilot if he had to struggle in mech combat as much as he did during his formative years.
Sure Amuro was undoubtedly carried by the 78-2 early on, but he still had to fight for his life constantly as opposed to mainly going the political subterfuge route. Because God damn did Amuro functionally speed run ace level status all things considered.

>>23360446
Anon Char's "power level" isn't stagnant. It changes over time with more battles. He also awakened to being a newtype much later than other Amuro.

Char was also handicapped because the AEUG wouldn't give him a better suit as the war dragged on in Zeta Gundam. He was stuck using failed prototypes. The Hyaku Shiki is weaker than the Gundam Mark 2. The only outstanding quality about it is the full body anti beam coating.

Meanwhile Amuro and other pilots got their own custom Zeta Gundams.

>>23360518
>Amuro wasn't even taking Char seriously. He left the entire Nu Gundam just parked outside and went into Axis.

It's not that Amuro wasn't taking Char seriously, but rather he was focused on trying to destroy Axis engines as the top priority. If Char destroyed Nu Gundam while it was parked (he should have imo), then Amuro would have just used explosives inside Axis to blow up the engine room. Luckily for Amuro, Char wanted to finish their 1v1 duel while giving Amuro no excuses.

I also question Char deciding not to resupply his suit during the battle. You can see Char fought much more enemies than Amuro did. Char was cutting thought lots of Jegans and using up his Ammunition and funnels.

>>23364609
Ah my mistake, it was the delta gundam, the not busted version. when it transforms the beam sabers are used as the main guns.

>>23364602
I really don't get where people think every mech in that scene was used at the exact same point and fought the standard RX-78-2. How the hell was Char using a Zudah or Gouf that late in the OYW?

>>23364730
It's retarded that people say Amuro wasn't taking Char seriously when Char almost killed him and could've just destroyed the Nu Gundam if he just wanted to the win at all costs. They were basically even until the final moments of the fight, and I don't think people comprehend the amount of pilots who would go even with CCA Amuro, let alone the freak that was OYW Amuro (think of how easily Challia Bull punked the Psyco Gundam in GQuux and how he was basically fodder to OYW Amuro despite Amuro never encountering all direction attacks and being sneak attacked). That's less pilots than you can count on one hand.
Shit, I think OYW Amuro is better than every pilot in Gundam that isn't CCA Amuro and possibly CCA Char.

>>23365087
Remember a mobile suit piloted by a brain clone of OYW Amuro based of the combat data of RX-78's core fighter was styling on old man Judau and Tobia in the Skull Heart manga. Tobia is considered a Uso level pilot by anyone who has read the Crossbone manga entirely.

>>23364730
>Amuro and other pilots got their own custom Zeta Gundams
Not canon. Amuro got the Dijeh and then a Walmart version of the Z Gundam, the Re-GZ

>>23364609
It's not something that was specifically ever mentioned for the Sazabi to my knowledge, but it does already exist as a sorta-uncommon weapons technology around that time, totally plausible for MS around that time to have it on both the fed and zeon side of things

>>23365109
To be fair, it's a newtype brain that only knew combat

>>23365125
Even still, the brain clone only rivaled Amuro's ability and didn't equal it. Its lack of a heart only reduced potential hesitation in killing anything labelled as an enemy, it's not something that put it above the actual Amuro as a pilot. I just think people tend to forget how ridiculous he is as pilot, especially when you directly compare what he does near the OYW to someone like Kamille, who would've killed Haman outright if he didn't have a change of heart due to their newtype melding, or Judau

>>23362666
>produces a huge constantly beam for prolonged periods of time
It's mentioned somewhere in some tech manual type stuff that they're only supposed to emit a beam during the swing or clash itself. Sometimes that shows up in animation, but frequently not, so like all tech manual stuff it's to taste.
Pretty sure the hands are supposed to have an energy supply through their connection though, that's real.

>>23365184
I feel like there's a lot of stuff in CCA that was like that, the background info detailed a bunch of "sounds like a good idea" stuff like the sabers staying short to save power or the arm raker controls allowing extra functionality, but it feels like it probably sucked in execution and didn't get adopted. Arm raker balls didn't become the new standard and in both manga and animation we can see that post CCA that the Zeta style grip levers are still around, except they did improve them with individual finger buttons from the arm raker idea. I think some arm raker balls still show up from time to time, though.

>>23365087
Char destroying an unmanned machine has no bearing on whether he's the the more skilled pilot, though.
And yeah, Char's breaking even against in their engagements, but the thing is that Amuro was multitasking for almost all of them.

>>23365087
All Char did was break Amuro's weapons and scratch his skirt armor. As soon as Amuro decided to turn and fight Char's suit ended up in pieces while Amuro dribbled his escape pod to axis.

>>23361385
>Amuro is the favorite to be declared the greatest pilot in the Universal Century
Machu mogs.

>>23365290
The gquux literally has amuro's soul in it.

>>23361385
evey series has its own popular jobbers
with bejita on the forefront lol

>>23365087
Nah, Amuro is slightly ahead in their engagements throughout the whole film, but it's nowhere near the difference Amurofags jerk themselves off to in their fantasy. He lost every single of Nu gundam's weapons trying to kill Char, if it was a big difference he'd wreck him in 5 seconds like he did with Gyunei. He's better, there's no need to invent dumb shit.
>think of how easily Challia Bull punked the Psyco Gundam in GQuux and how he was basically fodder to OYW Amuro
That's not a fair comparison. In the original show Challia was a newfag when it came to piloting, GCucks Challia has loads of experience, mastery over psycommu weapons and he seems to have leveled up as a newtype.
>Shit, I think OYW Amuro is better than every pilot in Gundam that isn't CCA Amuro and possibly CCA Char.
Kamille is better than all of them.

>>23365224
>Char's breaking even against in their engagements, but the thing is that Amuro was multitasking for almost all of them.
Not really.
The way it goes is
1. Amuro is doing something.
2. Char shows up and they fight a bit.
3. Something happens to split them.
4. Amuro fucks off and starts doing something else again.
It's not like Amuro was clipping his toenails mid-engagement.

>>23365323
>amuro lost dem jordas nigguh!
cmon now...

>>23365323
>amuro lost them jordans nigguh!
cmon now...

>>23365323
>Kamille is better than all of them.
What feats would you give him over Amuro? Not hostile, just curious and not really remembering how many aces he actually killed.
Fuck, it took him how many battles to finally finish off Jerid?

>>23365343
He was fighting Haman and Scriocco 1v2 and not losing.
The moment it became 1 on 1 Scriocco was getting his shit completely pushed in.
Yazan also got instagibbed.
He's the strongest newtype.
Zeta has terrible fight choreography so visually it doesn't look that impressive but numbers speak for themselves imo.
>Fuck, it took him how many battles to finally finish off Jerid?
I mean, I'm talking about Kamille from the final battle, it's like holding the fact that Amuro was kicked around by Zakus when he was a newfag against him. And Jerid was obviously protected by the writing before the finale.

>>23365334
But I agree with you?
Charfags coping that he only lost because Nu had a stronger beam saber are also annoying.
Yes, the beam saber was stronger but in that clash Char was actually dual wielding and Amuro destroyed the other saber. Also Sazabi has advantages over Nu in other areas that he failed to take advantage of before that.

>>23365343
To be fair, Jerid had multiple lives to spend, literally. All those poor, poor, tasteless women.

>>23360821
Char's fucking terrible whenever he fights something he doesn't already have intel on; half of Zeta is him catching Ls because oh shit it's a new suit. Buran fucking Blutarch managed to push him back in their first battle and kill his wingman Roberto.

>>23365323
It feels weird to exaggerate Amuro's skill when everyone nearly unanimously agree he's the best.
>Kamille is better than all of them.
Kamille is without a doubt ass against funnels (he's only good against them in the non-canon Zeta movies and even does a cool Uso-esque manuever with beam confuse), whereas Amuro is dancing around them without even knowing what the fuck is happening with the mobile armor miles away out of sight.

Kamille at best stalemated Yazan normally, but he only instagibbed him when he literally became invincible. I agree Kamille is the strongest newtype out of the pilots, but Amuro just noticeably shows sharper reactions and better spatial awareness in battle, even showcasing abilities Kamille never honed in Zeta.
https://youtu.be/jfdHBWQo70s?list=PLmNQWwGKGrqQdkrqa9dBzstwElDKyVJBm&t=1231

Zeta's battle choreography is ass, sure, but he was never pushing Scirocco's shit in. They briefly engaged 1v1, both destroying a weapon of the other and beam clashing, and then Kamille immobilized Scirocco's mobile suit with his bio-sensor. Kamille was also not shown engaged seriously with Haman and Scirroco specifically fighting him 2 on 1, which barely lasted 2 minutes. Are you not confusing something?

>>23365363
>but in that clash Char was actually dual wield-
doesnt matter
winning does

Let's go in the other direction and ask "the fuck was Char thinking getting into this thing"

>>23360436 (OP)
Char because his gundam has better camoflauge

>>23365584
overblown ego

>>23365290
Machu is literally using a robot possessed by Amuro.

>>23365391
Yeah, Char becomes extremely conservative almost to the point of cowardice against things he doesn't have information on, but it's a core part of how he keeps coming back alive

>>23365363
>The moment it became 1 on 1 Scriocco was getting his shit completely pushed in.
Huh? No he wasn't.

>Yazan also got instagibbed.
Because of his newtype powers

>>23365391
Databooks unironically put Buran as a cyber-newtype-level pilot without the drawbacks. He's as capable if not superior to Rosamia, without her mental issue.

>>23365323
>Amuro is slightly ahead in their engagements throughout the whole film
He almost completely disarms Char with the ReGZ while hassling (and almost killing) Gyunei at the same time. Char and Gyunei cope by saying he didn't use all his funnels, but Char throws one out and it gets destroyed offscreen instantly. There's one screen transition after it chases after Amuro and it's gone. They're not even in the same dimension. The only reason why Amuro didn't finish him sooner is because he was more concerned about completing his mission to stop Axis. He left the Nu Gundam to go inside to find a way to make sure Bright's team planted the nukes and they're armed and ready to blow; Char was the last thing on his mind. Char's just better than Gyunei and Quess, but that's not saying much.

>>23365960
This is exactly the kind of deranged amurofaggotry I was talking about. So obnoxious.
>He almost completely disarms Char with the ReGZ
Char is explicitly fucking around. Even if you ignore "Gyunei cope",later part of the film spells out that he is specifically waiting for Amuro to get Nu.
>They're not even in the same dimension. The only reason why Amuro didn't finish him sooner is because he was more concerned about completing his mission to stop Axis
Yes yes, he got all Nu's weapons destroyed for fun.
If he could kill enemy commander, who is coming specifically at him, in 10 seconds like you fags claim he'd have just fucking done it and moved on to disarming Axis.

>>23364744
I mean there's always a possibility that Char died to the Gundam earlier than Lalah expected:

Zudah: The Zabis find out that Char is Casval so they set him up to die in it early on.
Gouf: Char was sent to Earth to avenge Garma instead of Ral or he dies during the failed assault on Jaburo

>>23366018
That's what I'm saying, it makes no sense for him to die at the exact same point in time in every mech on that list, so why are people thinking the sazabi was somehow transplanted into the OYW instead of just an example of a time when things got as far as CCA before Lalah saw him die?

>>23365584
after a while he realised why the engineers only let him see it through a funhouse mirror during development.

>>23360484
>'Char Gets His Ass Kicked For 20 Minutes'
a modest improvement.

>>23366327
Because Char dying in the OYW and the Gquuuuuux timeline being the exception is a big plot point?

If dying almost 15 years later counts then there's nothing special about the Gquuuuuux since there's still plenty of time for him to die.

>>23366385
Isn't the gquacks timeline specifically not special since it almost reached the point of needing to be reset? If it wasn't for the last minute chat between machu and shuji it would be just another one on the list.

>>23365584
>The O was such bullshit, I want something better
>Man running out of weapons sucks
>That bigass MA Axis wanted me to pilot was still too big but maybe they had a point
Pick one of the above

>>23366018
Is that a gouf hand or a Zeong hand on top of that Ball?

>>23366327
I think people are probably hung up on GQX Lalah's converstation with Machu that Char keeps dying to the Gundam and Zeon lost the war shortly after, and they assumed all those attempts are contained within the OYW timeline

>>23366444
It is probably special in the fact that Char actually stole the Gundam and is still alive unlike all the other failed attempts where Char kept dying to the Gundam > The universe becomes distorted and collapses > Shuji "kills" (?) Lalah to reset it.

>>23366471
Zeong's hand, Char's Ball is from the Tony Takezaki Gundam manga just like the Saku

>>23365301
>>23365642
Machu and her superb piloting skills are the ones carrying the fights.

>>23366478
She only really ever says he gets killed by the white gundam, and that basically just means Amuro is doomed never to get the MkV

>>23365584
He needed more thrust so he could push Axis into Earth himself

>>23366444
Char probably would've died at Solomon if Lalah didn't divine intervention his ass

>>23365290
>>23366479
Machu is getting help from Amuro due being inside GQuuuuux, if Machu fights Char it would be the equivalent of this
https://youtu.be/i1nPGM-2Q0w?si=H1si1Dlb26urKlv8
Amuro would personally taking control and beat the living shit out of Char like in CCA.

>>23365391
I saw it as Char's Quattro personality holding him back. He hated himself over his actions during OYW so he basically just did his job and whatever Bright and Blex told him to do. Kamille saw the wasted opportunities and punched him for it. Also he was piloting a MS with gold paint for armor.

I’m gonna cut against the grain and bring up that old Tomino quote
> “However, if after everything he’s been through, Char managed to free himself from the burden of worrying—then he’d be unimaginably powerful. Just how powerful? So powerful that the story would be over in no time. 'ZZ' wouldn’t even need five episodes to wrap things up. He’d be strong enough to not even bother with cunning tactics anymore—he’d just get things done directly. Amuro? He’d probably be killed off before he even understood what was happening. That’s how strong Char would be.”

>>23367194
>if after everything he’s been through, Char managed to free himself from the burden of worrying—then he’d be unimaginably powerful. Just how powerful? So powerful that the story would be over in no time. 'ZZ' wouldn’t even need five episodes to wrap things up.
This reminds me of Oda (The creator of One Piece) quote about Akainu ending the plot of the series in a year if he were the main character. Not that I think Tomino is wrong here or anything, just interesting to see him hype up a character like that.

>>23367194
Where is this even from? It sounds like AI

>>23367593
It’s a direct quote from an interview Tomino did in Animec in 1985. Here’s the original text.
> けれども色々な事があった末にシャアが”悩む”と言う事から脱っしてしまったとしたら、彼は途方も無く強いでしょう。どれだけ強いか、と言うとそれこそ物語があっという間、『ZZ』なんかは5本もいらずに終わってしまうでしょうね。もう狡猾な手段なんかは使わないでやれてしまう位、強いでしょうね。まず、アムロなんかは、何も知る前に殺されてしまうでしょうね。それ程、強いです。

>>23360436 (OP)
Amuro would still win.

>>23367194
Strong in what sense?

>>23367478
It's common thing that if rival characters and antagonists didn't have their personal issues, health issues, weren't busy or had the same goal as the protagonist, then the story would played differently and they would far better than the protagonists and their normal versions. Another example of this being Iori Yagami from King of Fighters because according to SNK, Iori without his flames is far stronger than his version with flames.

>>23369432
Cunning and ruthless enough to just get the job done immediately I imagine
Winning over Neo Zeon and assassinating Haman before they even land on Earth, just showing up in the Sazabi and killing Amuro in the Re-GZ, that sort of thing

>>23360821
In UC???? Stop.
Brave Cod, Ford Romfellow, Seabook, Tobia, Johnny Ridden, Kamille, Gato, are all better than Char. Char isn't even top 10.

>>23367478
Nah, all he had to do was put his dick inside Haman and Mineva instead of larping as Four Vaginas. He was already Hitler by then - a celebrity who could ask for anything and get it, Char's Counterattack made that clear. He didn't do too bad desu, just that Nothing Ever Happens in UC.

>>23370362
Char and Haman are Tony and Carmela. This union though a united front is incredibly toxic but beneficial to each of them and they will separate around Season 4 but get back together by Season 5 anyway.

Judau is Furio. Lalah is Livia. Hayato Kobayashi's wife got a 90 pound mole removed from her ass.

>>23370396
You're overthinking it. Mineva and Haman just needed to be pounded out, pregnant and barefoot while Char uses Axis' WMDs to keep Earth Federation in line, the latter of which he already did but Haman wasn't fucked so she did ZZ.

>>23370608 (cont.d)
Instead, Char baneposted and threw a fit then cried about it, Mineva also cried about it, then Kamille punches him.

>>23370362
>He was already Hitler by then
impossible, Gihren Zabi is already dead by the time of Zeta.
>just that Nothing Ever Happens in UC.
While I do agree Char was a good pilot and got far with what he had. Saying nothing happens in UC is a bit of a stretch. If nothing happened in UC, things like the Titans wouldn't pop up after the results of the one-year war.

>>23369926
>Johnny Ridden
Didn't he literally get punked by char in his own manga

>>23370805
He sacrificed his own life to orchestrate the most massive nothingburger ever devised, it's safe to say NEH is a central theme to UC

>>23370396
Literally impossible, Haman made her dad's death her entire personality, including the Char-shaped hole it left. Even Masimyre is more likely than this.

>>23360436 (OP)
who cares, gundam has fallen, instead of released deep thought provoking war focused gundam kino like the second hathaway movie, the third seasons of 00 and thunderbolt or hurdr hunt they release these quirky high school reddit queerslop like the witch form mercury and gquuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuux (did i write enough Us?)

>>23370944
Khara will never work on any of that.

>>23370805
The Titans is a prine example of NEH in UC. The Earth Federation wasted billions of lives fighting Zeon and the outcome was nothing. Zeon didn't even die.

>>23369926
Gato?? He fucking sucks outside hype and non-canon wank. The best UC pilots not named Amuro:

Char, Uso/Seabook/Tobia, Scirocco/Haman/Kamille/Yazan, Johnny Ridden, Katejina/Fuala

>>23370944
The war is literally the least important part of Gundam.

>>23370941
Fair enough, never really thought about it that way, but it does work out that way.
>>23371026
>The Earth Federation wasted billions of lives fighting Zeon and the outcome was nothing. Zeon didn't even die.
That's basically what happens with depending on the war some countries are involved in. The Losing side is still alive afterwards, depending on the conflict. So if you look at it like that, it's not nearly as bad.

>>23371072
>entire series focuses on how the war effects individuals perceptions and morals, the relationships between people, and societal norms
>its not important it was always supposed to be moe blobs doing cute dances
nah

>>23371089
>on how the war effects individuals perceptions and morals
But this is wrong

>>23371074
>The Losing side is still alive afterwards.
Not only that, Earth Federation became the losing side on top of that. Like America becoming the Soviet Union after its collapse, and then Russia reinstates the USSR right after. UC is peak Nothing Ever Happens chudcore.

HOLY SHIT A MINING ASTEROID JUST FLEW OVER MY HOUSE

>>23371089
This post is proof gquex newfags either didn't watch the UC, are retarded, or more likely, both.

....Amuro's a better Newtype than Char.

>>23360436 (OP)
Char dies to Amuro "in every universe" not because one is better than the other. It's because Lalah didnt fucking die when she was supposed to, so Char takes her place in every universe that she survives while still trying to make sure he survives. they simply swapped places. If Amuro was the one to protect Lalah from Char then GQux would be about Lalah trying make sure Amuro doesnt die in every universe instead, though that would be boring because all it takes is make sure Amuro never gets involved in the war

>>23371686
I didnt watch gkeks is this what the show is actually about? Kek

>>23371686
I thought it was because "every universe" in this context of this show refers to a bunch of universes created by the subconscious of a Lalah that was coping with Char dying, so of course he's going to keep dying in what are essentially her bad dreams.

>>23371804
doesnt lalah want both of them to live? so making a universe where char isnt distracted by family issues and killed by amuro just makes universes where he kills amuro
the only way she thought of keeping them alive was beefing up his MS and it didnt work

>>23371646
NO SHIT

>>23373353
To be fair you can see a lot of fanboy writers who grew up idolizing Char wishing they could change that in the modern day. Origin tries REALLY hard to downplay Amuro's abilities versus the strength of the Gundam itself, and GquuuuuuX makes Char the focal point of the series while trying its very best to tapdance around Amuro being there at all.

>>23373484
Amuro doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things, he's only idolized by Solid Snake OC donut steal power fantasy MGS2 ragequitters. He only exists for Lalah to haunt and try to send a message to Char with, even in the 79 novel, as in CCA.

>>23373513
But that's not Amuro Ray. That's Amuro Rey. And he never sent a message to Char, he sent one to Sha. Get your facts straight, anon.

>>23370944
>queerslop
>implying first Gundam didn't establish this

I think people misunderstand the Sazabi being in that scene. Considering that "A white Gundam always kills him" can mean the RX-78 or the Nu Gundam. Heck, the Strike Zeta is White too.

>>23371089
>entire series focuses on how the war affects individuals
They all stop giving a shit about the war a few episodes into any series and start to ask "How can I make it benefit me?," try to keep up newfag-kun. I bet even this scene gave you whiplash.

>>23374482
I mean, you're absolutely right, but I think it's funnier to imagine that Amuro somehow destroyed the Sazabi with a by then 14 year old RX-78-2. Like, not even an updated Gundam, just Grandpa as it was when Amuro entered the One Year War

>>23360436 (OP)
We talking starting Amuro, end of OYW Amuro, or CCA Amuro?

>>23374475
Wait What? Since when was Gundam Political!?
/s

>>23374666
Gundam is more accurate to real-life politics than Legend of the Galactic Heroes.

>>23374669
...LoGH was about real-life politics? I honestly wasn't paying attention.

It even gave you the superior Reinhard

>>23374671
I don't mean literal Lydon Johnson, Jimmy Carter, etc. but how people with power actually behave. The Star Wars prequels weren't about George Bush either.

>>23374674
>I'm crashing this organization with no survivors
What was his problem?

>>23365584
He was too busy looking at a lobster tank

>>23371522
Weird how none of the bullets hit the beam saber handles as it spins the head

>>23365584
>head cockpit of Zeong and Rick Dias
>giant armored body of The O
>giant shoulder binders and funnels of the Quebely
>giant mega beam cannon of Hyaku Shiki mega launcher

All shoved into one unit. Char took the best parts of every unit he used or fought, and combined them all.

>>23374475
You fujotrannies really project whatever you want to see.

>>23375293
I can only imagine the head is tilted at an angle so it fires over the sabres but it would probably be really awkward looking from a wider more objective view, but at least it's sorta plausible unlike this scene

>>23365087
>>23365224
>>23365323
>>23365960
>>23365392
You are all over thinking it. Battles at higher levels often don't end instantly.

If one ace pilot wants to run away, there is very little the other ace pilot can do to stop them. It's extremely difficult to pin them down and force them to fight if they don't want to.

Remember all the times that Char ran away during the One Year War? With the Zaku, Zgok, Gelgoog, and Zeong? Amuro couldn't stop Char from running away. All those times Char and the AEUG ran away in Zeta? There was nothing really the Titans could do to stop them. That's why the Titans were so angry at the AEUG. The strategy works.

Amuro was simply using the same strategy during CCA. Hit and run. Fight for a little bit and then run away from Char. And Char had no weapons that could stop Amuro from doing that strategy. Char no weapons to slow down or trap Nu Gundam. He didn't have the electric nets and electrical wires that Yazan's Hamarabi had in Zeta. The one he used to tie up the Zeta Gundam and prevent Kamille from moving.


Same idea works in reverse too. And if Char wanted to run away in Sazabi, then there was nothing Amuro could do about it either. Char easily could have escaped the battle and leave if he truly wanted to.

The one who wants to stay and fight in one spot is at a disadvantage. Not unless he has some sort of weapon to slow down the enemy.

>>23375331
what if the one escaping is canonically slower than the one chasing him?

>>23375012
>implying playing monarchy and having a harem of purus is a problem

>>23375317
As if Gundam characters don't already project.

>>23360436 (OP)
Amuro, not like that matters.
I have a feeling that Lalah hop universes in search for the one where both she and Char survived the one year war; the only drawback is that they never met.

Heero using Zero system would beat both Char and Amuro.

>>23375336
>what if the one escaping is canonically slower than the one chasing him?

Of the top of my head, I can't think of any major examples. If one unit is a lot slower, then they usually get shot down and don't have the chance to run away. Do you have an example you could point out?

From what I saw on screen, Sazabi and Nu Gundam look roughly the same in speed.

>>23374626
Its also funny to think of Char turning up to that fight in a "zaku 1 but it explodes" zudah or a ground type gouf.

>>23362040
This, the protagonist always wins, discussing power levels is for retarded shonentards

>>23370944
You're trying too hard

>>23371486
Tomino is one of us

>>23373484
Because Amuro is boring and Char is interesting

>>23370944
This post could have been really good but then you started baiting

>>23365119
How well would a Re-GZ Custom had done against the sazabi, what about Re-GZ Ideal?

>>23383002
since it came down to a saber duel, amuro can still win, he even has hyper beam sabers like the ZZ does, but if he doesn't have psycoframe, will the sazabi's cockpit ball be enough to push back axis?

>>23364730
Hyaku Shiki is better than the Mk 2. Gundariam Gamma, higher specs, better weapons, higher thrust.

Char fans cope so hard.

>>23379865
Amuro isn't boring.
Amuro is the man Char wishes he was.

>>23384002
Char wants to be anyone but Char

>>23362441
Judau did tom foolery in the Zeta just as often.
Roux as well. Elle and Beecha too.
The entire Gundam Team fucks bro.
And according to the G Generation games (and I think Gihren's Greed?) Roux and Elle are Newtypes as well. Not relevant, but neat.

But Judau is def a top UC pilot. And tamed Haman. And Puru. And Puru Two. And Leina. And Roux. And Elle...only Emary escaped him since Bright got her. And I guess Fa, but who knows with time.

>>23360436 (OP)
By the end of the OYW, Amuro was the better pilot. The RX-78 used to be Amuro's crutch but over time he got so good the machine's joints couldn't keep up and needed magnetizing. Zeon mechs like the Dom and especially Gelgoog started being way more comparable in specs and Amuro still BTFO them. Even Char in the Zeong wasn't enough to beat him. Amuro just plain outskills Char.

>>23360436 (OP)
One of the main points in MSG is the Gundam's nigh-indestructibility giving Amuro the time and space to come into his own as both a newtype and a pilot.
If they both had Gundams during the first encounter Char probably wouldn't have let Amuro off easy, but that's changing the narrative significantly enough that it's a moot point. It's almost universally acknowledged that Amuro is a much stronger newtype and by extension ends up being a better pilot. Side materials might offer more insight to exactly how much of a better pilot either one is.

>>23360821
>but some people try to portray it as if Char isn't the second best pilot to Amuro in UC and he's a scrub
I think it's just people who are tired of the Char wank when most of his screen time is spent getting his ass kicked.

Char dumped some points in charisma while Amuro maxed out his piloting.

>>23385309
Unironically how their stats are allocated in Gihren's Greed, except Char gets more Leadership too.

>>23385309
Amuro still pulling ladies like crazy regardless.
Fraw, Char's Sister, Beltorchika, Chan, Quess (whom Amuro was only friendly to and didn't entertain like Char).
I'd say its more Leadership than Charisma.

>>23385725
Didn't she point a gun at him after realizing he's not daddy material

I watched Kakarot197 video on Char's alternate timelines mobile suits scene of where he guessing the scenarios of each mobile suits and I laughed at Galbaldy alpha scenario.
>Gihren's survive the assassination
>OYW still continue after A Baoa Qu
>Galbaldy gets to mass reproduce and Char got his own custom
>When Char's facing Amuro with his Galbaldy, Amuro are now piloting fixed up Alex and defeated Char

>>23385784
She pointed a gun at him when Char said some shit that made her think about her Dad being a piece of shit. He said something reductionist and Quess being literally 14 decided it was the most sage thing on the planet and betrayed Amuro and Hathaway.
She also got mad at Amuro for having Chan as his gf and not banging/fathering her instead.
She legit attacks Chan and calls her a witch since Amuro likes her.
She never hated Amuro though, she attacks Chan later on and says its because of her that Amuro wouldn't father/fuck her.

>>23385816
Sounds like Amurotard cope to me.

>>23385820
Sounds like Char grooming cope to me.

>>23385827
>it's ok when my special redhead does it
Amurotards are Chars

>>23385866
>Amuro is responsible for being a child’s therapist while the world is on the line
Chartards are Amuros

>>23385869
Yes that's exactly what Char did. Amuro couldn't even tell half of those girls liked him. Char is literally the Justin Bieber of UC in pulling prime pussy.

>>23385877
Char couldn’t even tell that Quess wanted him to be her daddy (not sexual) and needed to be told that, he’s an autist while Amuro is going balls deep in Chan nightly

>>23385879
>(not sexual)
LOL

>>23385877
Amuro was treating Quess fine, he just wasn't weaponizing her and feeding her bullshit like Char did.

>>23385882
>not (non sexual)
ROFL

>>23385923
Quess was already weaponized long before she hopped on Amuro or Char. Char merely gave into Quess' demand to forget Lalah or Nanai. Unintentional Scirocco stuff, she even got a complimentary Katz in the form of Gyunei.

>>23385965
Yeah, blue-haired Asuka definitely isn't horny ok.

>>23385226
>suits char had almost no time to get accustomed to nor had enough experience with the same way amuro had with the grandpa
Yeez, i wonder why he lost?

>>23385813
Fuck it, give him the NT-X while you are at it, may as well fuck char throughly

>>23370875
yes lol

>>23365290
this show is so fucking lazy I can't believe it

>>23386009
He didn't give into the demand to forget either, he just bullshit Quess. He was still banging Nani and using her, and his whole dumbass plot was over Lalah.
Amuro gave it to her straight, Char just said whatever Quess wanted to hear to get her to kill people for him.

>>23365312
not my boy kuwabara....

>>23370362
....and Mineva?
Not helping the Char pedo lines here.

>>23386242
>Char just said whatever Quess wanted to hear to get her to kill people for him.
Yeah, and?

>>23386284
Haman had UC all solved not even halfway into Zeta, Char is just a worry-wart.

>>23386366
Char is a bad person.

>>23386418
Yeah, and? Who isn't in UC?

>>23386418
Quess is worse. Tomino even wrote it that way and gave Char a pass on that.

>>23385304
>I think it's just people who are tired of the Char wank when most of his screen time is spent getting his ass kicked.
Char is especially tired of the Char wank, and he's tired of getting his ass kicked. That's why he dropped Axis to begin with.

>>23383985
Hyaku Shiki lacks moveable frame which is the most important. Everything else you listed is just extra.

>>23385226
Char awakened his newtype power much later than Amuro.

>>23386492
Lol not at all.

>>23369432
Char fixes UC by ordering it like he's at a McDonalds drive-thru. His Dakar clown speech was a complete failure, it wasn't "getting things done directly," it was still Quattro trying to dump his responsibility on someone else. What's the point of a political speech with no ballot and when everyone already wants to vote for him? He just asked for Axis and got it. Then caused an averted apocalypse with it, a nice gesture, but it didn't do anything. Amuro didn't want to do anything either. Char hated his own position and knew there was no way to get rid of it. Haman's personality was just a front so he couldn't dump Zeon on her. Mineva pumping out a Zabi-Char line of politicians didn't convince Char at the time. Then the years pass, Char decides to take up the mantle as the most powerful man, he's giving his clown speeches, rotting via his past and running out of ideas, wanting to cash out in any way after chasing the newtype dream, Amuro/Lalah, world peace, etc. He got what he wanted even if it kind of sucked.

>>23367194
Char wouldn't be Char if he didn't have his flaws.
>>23386118
You could use the same excuse for Jerid if you want to go down that rabbit hole. Is /m/ ready to admit that Jerid is a great pilot? That Chronicle is a good pilot?

>>23366479
>superb piloting suit
Show me where she pilots a normal mech then and still mogs.

>>23385813
The problem with these scenarios is that Alex is absolutely weak against beams. It was designed to dominate Zakus, Goufs, Doms, and Rick Doms. All use physical ammunition as their main weapon (except the Rick Dom's beam bazooka). That's why it has a extra armor.

Alex Gundam's main creature, the body armor, will melt like butter against beam weapons. So all that extra weight will just slow down the mobile suit. Especially if 0083 is to be believed with the GM Cannon because the GM Cannon is based on Alex, and Gelgoog Marines were absolutely speeding around the clunky GM Cannon in 0083.

Alex's shield can't be used with the body armor, and even if it can it's wasting an entire hand to hold the shield. A shield doesn't even have anti-beam coating. So it's a waste of a shield. Beams will punch through it. The wrist guns are cute, but aren't going to decide the battle.

So the arguments always come down to "well Alex Gundam is like super fast and Amuro can use it faster probably." I don't really buy this argument at all. The anime didn't impress me at all and there was no indication of it. Christina couldn't use the Alex Gundam well. And it's doubtful how much extra performance Amuro could get out the Alex...since the suit lacks a psycommu system. The Federation doesn't have that tech. Amuro can't transmit his thoughts to the suit. Amuro is stuck using levers and pedals and there's an upper limit to what you can do with that.

Meanwhile, once Char is confirmed to be newtype, you can be absolutely sure that any unit he uses will have a psyxommu installed. It's not going to be some basic bitch grunt model.

So basically you have a Gundam Version 1.5 with some modest upgrades to speed VERSUS a next generation Mobile suit customized for Char and using a psycommu.

I'm betting on the Galbaldy.

>>23383985
>Hyaku Shiki is better than the Mk 2.
No. At best, Hyaku Shiki about equal to Mark 2. Shiki doesn't have moveable frame like Mark 2. So the mobility is weaker than Mark 2. In Zeta, the most important thing is mobility since everyone has beams now.

>>23388038
He has higher thrust, his mobility is higher. He might not bend as much, but Hyaku can outrun Mk 2 easily.

>>23388041
Lmao. Do you think Hyaku Shiki is a mobile armor?

Pure Thrust ====//// is NOT equal to ////==== moveable frame.

You really call yourself a Gundam fan and don't even know this?

>>23383985
>higher specs
Hyaku Shiki is heavier, has less sensor range, and has less reactor output. No moveable frame.

Gundam Mark II is lighter, longer sensor range, higher reactor output, and has faster acceleration. It has moveable frame.

Overall, Gundam Mark II is superior. That's why Anaheim Electronics wanted to capture Mark II so badly and get its data.

>>23388057
And yet the MK2's creator thinks the Rick Dias of all things is superior.

>>23360436 (OP)
i think by the time Jaburo swings around amuro and char are about even, but by end UC Amuro just clowns on anything char could ever do. It isn't to say Char isn't an extremely talented pilot, but the gundam is a great crutch for Amuro as his abilities awaken and by the time zeon tech catches up to the gundam it's just way too late. Char probably could have beaten him at Jaburo with a bit more luck.

So to answer your question, it's pretty much unlikely char survives with all else being equal, but it wouldn't be a stomp for sure

>>23388335
He's impressed with how well it moves despite having the outward appearance of a fat fuck

it has the lighter gundarium gamma armor and binders after all, franklin bidan only ever managed to make the tiny little thruster arms on his MK2

>>23388638
The same armor that the Hyaku Shiki has.

>>23389006
have they ever made a mark II with gundarium gamma? does yazan's mark II have better armor?

>>23388335
>And yet the MK2's creator thinks the Rick Dias of all things is superior.
He didnt think it was superior. He was just admiring the craftsmanship. Like one designer admiring another designer's work. The other designer of the Rick Dias came up with ideas that the Gundam Mark 2 designer didn't think of. And vice versa. They both wanted to steal eachothers ideas.

>>23386492
>>23388038
>>23388057
I thought Hyaku Shiki did get the frame added in to finish it off.

Huh guess I was wrong there.

>>23390074
Depends what source you want to quote. One source says Anaheim's original design was too fragile and the frame couldn't handle transformation. So they removed the transformation mechanism and locked Hyaku Shiki into humanoid form. Another source says it has some inferior moveable frame. Much Better than an GM II, but not as good as Gundam Mark 2. Either way, the Hyaku Shiki is clearly not as advanced as Gundam Mark 2. It's a leftover suit that Anaheim Electronics. So they painted with Gold coating and gave it to AEUG for free. Then AE acted like they were doing AEUG a "huge favor" by giving it to them. Especially Wong who kept reminding the AEUG how much money he spending on them. Basically Anaheim Electronics were cheap bastards and kept guilt tripping AEUG into taking more risky missions.

>>23364744
o7
Eternal Space Flight

>>23360821
I would take Judau and Kamille over Char. Who did Char ever beat?

>>23390324
Judau and Kamille aren't better pilots. They are better Newtypes, but Char has better skills and experience. If you took away all their newtype power, then Char would defeat both of them. Even Amuro is weaker is raw skill than Char.

>>23390361
but didn't amuro surpass char before his newtype powers emerged? In Jaburo?

>>23390361
Tomino literally said Amuro is the best pilot. Now Tomino did say Char would have to get rid of his hangups to be better than Amuro but that wouldn't be like Char at all.

>>23390411
Pretty Amuro had awakened his newtype powers by that time. Maybe not to their maximum potential but the powers were there.

>>23388038
No, it's better. The Hyaku Shiki is either a prototype Zeta Gundam (Sunrise official profile) or a revived transformable MS that basically stole and improved the Mk-II's movable frame (MG 1.0 manual). And in Beltorchika's Children Amuro mentions it in the same breath as the Zeta Gundam when talking about good MS

>>23390447
Hyaku Shiki is failed prototype for a transforming suit. Sure it's better than Titans grunt suits, but it was completely outclassed by the 2nd half of Zeta Gundam anime. It didn't even get an upgrade like Gundam Mark 2 did with the Super Gundam backpack. And that "anti-beam golden coating" it came with? It barely did anything.

You should be absolutely amazed that Char used the Hyaku Shiki successfully for as long as he did. And you should be amazed at the miracle Char pulled off when he survived fighting against The O and Quebely.

Did you know The O has a battleship grade nuclear reactor inside it? It has amazing power output comparable to a battleship. What the hell do you expect Char to do against that using a Hyaku Shiki? It's barely better than a Marasai.

>>23390434
In the movies he had awaekend them already and had Newtype flashes and some exposition about Newtypes. Originally in the tv show none of that happened yet though.

>>23390428
>Amuro is only a better pilot because he hit Char in the Lalah
low blow

>>23390483
The movies should've just been an adaptation of the novel

>>23360436 (OP)
If they were both piloting the Gundam for the first time, Char would win.
Char is like one of those crutch characters in RPGs, who's good at the start of the game but by midpoint everyone else is better than him

>>23365584
Fuck you. the nightingale is awesome.

>>23390740
Nah, Amuro living and becoming a maturing commentary on the nature of war and personal responsibility works better long-term than trying to shove Char into the hero's position. He's just not suited to it.

>>23390447
>>23390457
What precisely would Char have needed with the HS to have stood a chance against Papsmear Speedsuit and Haman in their final fight? Would the Full Armor Kai have been enough to put him on even footing?

>>23396324
IMO, a Psycommu and a couple more weapons.

>>23365584
Why the Neo Zeon symbol looks like a swastika?

>>23390740
Novels and the movie were on development at the same time. Tomino just choice for the movie the path that made more sense for him.

>>23365109
>Tobia is considered a Uso level pilot
Not even close

>>23366530
Why, what color is Amuro's Mark V?

>>23396797
bruh

>>23396891
2 seconds googling says your version is 連邦カラー which is "Federal colors"

not sure if gundam wiki is doing a bit of advanced trolling but it shows the "Amuro custom" in uncolored lineart that's 95% identical to the one used by Brave Cod. Main differences are the mohawk and chin, and the beam sabers are a different model.

>>23360436 (OP)
The Gelgoog was supposed to be Zeon's Gundam at least spec wise, so there is your answer

>>23396362
Because it goes hard.

>>23397162
logic is too much for the Gkucks crew

>>23397162
>>23399335
but that only becomes available for char long after amuro is given enough time to mature and match\exceed char's piloting skills and newtype ability

>>23399397
So what the fuck are you even asking? We have every version of this answered. If Char has an equal suit and is still the better pilot, he wins. If he's the worse pilot, he loses. If they're equal, Nu gundam wa datte ja nai!

>>23390879
Jobbing to hype up Zeta pilots late OYW Amuro would've killed without getting touched in 10 seconds has done severe damage to Char's rep as a pilot.

>>23371686
This makes GQUX the only universe where they both survive the one year war; any other and it's either Lalah or Char.

>>23399402
cooked him

>>23365184
I think only Turn A and G Reco ever really played up the swords only turning on when swung thing

>>23386492
>>23388038
>>23388049
>>23388057
>You really call yourself a Gundam fan and don't even know this?
Not one of you retards ever bothered to look up if the Hyaku Shiki has a moveable frame or not?
https://mechatalk.net/viewtopic.php?p=326224#p326224
Gawtdamn this is no Zaku(MKII) boi

Char did nothing wrong

>>23406327
Char's Counterattack also does it. Both Amuro and Char had close encounters that could have been the end of them if the sabers were on the entire time. Although, given Char's poor power management, he would have just wasted the power and not had a saber to defend himself with in the final fight.

>>23408532
Nonsense. If it had a moveable frame, then it would be able TRANSFORM. Shiki doesn't have it.

>>23360436 (OP)
I think Amuro was on par with Char around Jaburo and by Solomon Amuro was clearly superior.

>>23413017
>Mark Simmons is wrong
ok retard

>>23360484
most of CCA is amuro bashing up against char's plot armor until he eventually shatters it by beating the fuck out of it (and him) with the nu

>>23375293
In WW1 they had planes who's machine guns were situated behind the propellors, they had a mechanism that staggered the shots so they wouldn't shoot their own propellors off, I assume it's a more high tech version of that.

>>23415289
>appeal to authority logical fallacy

Lmao. Keep coping.

Shiki is a failed transforming prototype that's barely on par with Gundam Mark 2.

>>23415882
>muh headcannon
Such cope. Much wow.

>>23362056
GQuuuuuuX is Lalah's fan-fiction made real, why wouldn't she wank off Char in it?

>>23360436 (OP)
gquuuuuuuuuux? more like gKEKS lmao.

>>23415374
Char gave Amuro the nu so it's still Char's plot armor doing everything

>>23408532
This makes zero sense. You need to explain why Anaheim Electronics didn't give Char the Delta Gundam?

The Delta Gundam had problems with a fragile frame and transformation problems.

If AE acquired the moveable frame technology from the Titans, then they would have properly fixed Delta Gundam and given it to Char. Not remove the transforming mechanism entirely and renamed it the Hyaku Shiki.

Unless you can explain this plot hole, then the old lore still stands. The other anons are correct.

>>23362490
>>23362450
Haven't seen it in a while but is it the tomahawk he gets back or is it one of the generic beam sabers the Sazabi also has?

>>23362666
>>23365184
The hands supply the power but they still need to re-fuel the particle supply itself. The hands only provide the electrical charge, not the minovski particles.

>>23365391
Literally Char's first in person fight is him running away from the Gundam because its abilities are better than he expected so yeah that tracks all the way back to his introduction.

>>23417569
Fair point.

>>23417569
>Why would they take a failed prototype and salvage for an immediate wartime effort when they could spend even more dev time trying to fix it after acquiring new technology
Truly a mystery senpai
>If AE acquired the moveable frame technology from the Titans
Literally a major and obvious plot point in the first few episodes of Zeta Gundam. Try watching the show sometime.
>The old lore
That post saying Hyaku Shiki has a moveable frame is from 2012, it ain't new but you sure are newfag

>>23418609
You are missing the argument entirely.

Delta Gundam didn't have moveable frame (or at least had a shitty imperfect version that didn't work).

Hyaku Shiki is just a mode locked Delta Gundam with different backpack (and no shield).

Why would you claim Hyaku Shiki has moveable frame? Where did they implement it? The frame of the suit looks exactly the same.

>>23418626
>You are missing the argument entirely
No you just have an incurable case of autism and can't comprehend when things fit into different categories
>>23418626
>shitty imperfect version
ding ding ding
>Why would you claim
That's from Mark Simmons who has been the definitive source on Gundam knowledge for almost 30 years, I trust that guy more than some random newfag on 4chan
>Where did they implement it
Same time they threw it on the Nemo. Sunrise genuinely does not care that much about canon or consistency, they let guidebook and product writers deal with that nonsense so that autists can argue about it on the internet.

Doesn't change the fact that Bandai officially says the Hyaku Shiki has a moveable frame :)

>>23418626
>(or at least had a shitty imperfect version that didn't work).
Nah. Don't bother calling it moveable frame. It wasn't. Whatever AE used, it was crap.

>Why would you claim Hyaku Shiki has moveable frame? Where did they implement it? The frame of the suit looks exactly the same.
Not to mention if Anaheim Electronics did spend the time to tear apart Delta Gundam and somehow implement Titan's moveable frame, then why would they get rid of the transformation? The whole point was to achieve transformation. That was the goal of the projecg.

>>23418639
>That's from Mark Simmons who has been the definitive source on Gundam knowledge for almost 30 years, I trust that guy more than some random newfag on 4chan
Stop dick riding. Mark only translates gundam databooks. This isn't 2005 anymore. His ability to translate isn't unique anymore.

>>23360821
Char can kill nameless pilots with ease. He can even hold his own against some lower tier aces. No doubt he could have defeated reccoa or emma, likely he would have given jerid or even and oldtype as strong as yazan a solid run as well (though I don't think he ever really fights them in zeta). But amuro bodies him basically every time they meet outside of the first few times when he's had virtually zero experience/training on the gundam. He'd have been dead if lalah didn't take the beam saber, he'd have been dead if haman wasn't so obsessed with trying to hop on his dick. If he had to fight kamille and kamille wasn't concerned about killing his mentor quattro-tai, I have no doubt he'd have lost. Judau by the end of ZZ is accomplished enough that I'd bet on him over char.

>>23413017
Gundam Mk2 was a testbed for movable frame tech and it can't transform

>>23418651
>>23418653
I recommend you two buy the MG Hyaku Shiki and count how many times it says Moveable Frame :)

>>23418626
Considering how rapidly Hyaku Shiki was deployed after they captured Gundam Mark II, I seriously doubt Hyaku Shiki had proper moveable frame fully implemented. It was given to them shortly after the Gryps raid. So Most likely they took Delta Gundam out of storage, did a quick refit to the suit, and gave it to the AEUG. There's no other way considering the speed at which AEUG got Hyaku Shiki.

>>23418701
If the databooks contradict the anime then it's not valid.

>>23418760
big fucking deal, they don't say the mark II possess movable frame or doesn't possess movable frame in the show either

same with the hyaku shitty

try moving your frame into some bitches, nerds

wouldn’t he have died in the fencing fight if Lalah didn’t wish for him to wear proper pilot suit?

The only way Char would survive against Amuro is if he never met him at all.

>>23421681
Amuro dies in the Tomino novels and Char lives.

>>23421757
nobody cares about your stupid books you fucking nerd

>>23360446
So chars a noob stomper?

>>23421804
Unicorn and Hathaway Flash are based on novels

>>23421806
More of a seal clubber since he's at his best against grunts and garbage pre-mobile suit enemies. He's really good at exploiting a severe advantage but when it comes to fighting things that are actually comparable to him he crumbles quickly. Send him into an army of grunts he'll stomp, but have him fight an ace that can remotely compare to him and he'll just run away because he's losing.

>>23421811
Unicorn and Hathaway Flash are anything but based

>>23360436 (OP)
Early Amuro? Yeah, Char will beat him.
Jaburo? That's a little more even, but I think Amuro could still lob off the arm.
Return To Space Amuro? Char might get some big hits in, but Amuro's gonna put Char in Last Shooting damage before Char can do him.

>>23421757
The novels aren’t canon

>>23421811
And they aren't canon to UC either.

>>23421812
Char was smacking around Cyber Newtypes during Zeta easily. He handled Rosamia with ease while using one of the weakest mobile suits in the entire series the Hyaku Shiki.

>>23360436 (OP)
shame the show was bad

>gee quattro why does your mom let you have four bajeenas
>no mother

>>23421814
Unicorn is fine, but HF was the worst UC entry, no doubt.