How did we get here, again? Why did Quatro revert back into Char "I will continue the legacy of my father by becoming Hitler III" Aznable?

Became disillusioned with humanity when he saw the Federation spreading their legs wide open for Haman
He also probably didnt like that his apprentice's brain turned into goo.

>>23366696 (OP)
Masochist and needed a roundabout way to get pounded by Amuro again

>>23366968
>the Federation spreading their legs wide open for Haman
Then why did he stand by during ZZ, when Haman was at her most powerful.
>didnt like that his apprentice's brain turned into goo.
Then fucking nuke Jupiter.

CCA only makes sense without ZZ.

Char realizes he needs to take drastic action to save the earth, so he finally takes responsibility though wisely realizes he's really not the man who can truly lead humanity after the drop so intends to die to amuro as punishment.

>>23366696 (OP)
>Why did Quatro revert back into Char "I will continue the legacy of my father by becoming Hitler III" Aznable?
I don't think you paid attention to both the original or Zeta.

>>23366696 (OP)
https://youtu.be/KQMz7YHPIiI

In short, he tried doing things the right way in 0087 and got absolutely nowhere with it. So fuck it, he’ll change the world by force. Make people leave Earth by making it uninhabitable. Instead of waiting for newtypes to emerge, just enhance people to become newtypes.

>>23366696 (OP)
Because most people only watched the original movie trilogy so they said fuck it and deleted any of Chars character growth in Zeta so CCA would be easier to sell as a direct sequel to the original.
>B-b-but the playstation game cutscene made 10 years later
Uh huh. Don't care. The creators definitely didn't.

>>23367118
>Then why did he stand by during ZZ, when Haman was at her most powerful.
He was fucking depressed by his apprentice's brain turning into goo

He was jealous of Amuro's growth and upset over his own regression so his only way to get back at Amuro was to larp as Zeon's savior and Earth's destroyer. This works both if you go into CCA straight from Zeta or skip it and go from 0079.

>>23367259
Why didn't he nuke Jupiter in (justified) retaliation when he rose to power, then? It would have saved the UC a lot of trouble.

>>23366696 (OP)
it's because they needed the movie to be Char VS Amuro so they decided to ignore zeta and assumed most people would have only seen the trilogy anyway.

>CCA is a direct sequel to the 0079 movie trilogy
lmao fucking retards that makes even less sense

>>23366696 (OP)
He gave an passionate speech about respecting Spacenoids and protecting the Earth from environmental damage. He pleaded for the Federation to make meaningful change.

The Federation promised they would. The AEUG promised they would. Then Kamille became a vegetable fighting for the AEUG.

Then during ZZ, the Federation did the exact opposite. They gleefully laughed when Haman dropped another colony on Earth and killed millions.

Then the AEUG sold out and joined the Federation becoming Titans 2.0 instead of fighting for Spacenoids rights.

Char was fed up.

>>23366696 (OP)
>Why did Quatro revert back into Char
He never reverted because he never changed in the first place, he always fought for Colonies.
He went back to Casval and became the figurehead because that was the wish of the colonies, just like he became w leader because that was what AEUG expected of him.
People often forget but colonies were behind Char, at the beginning of the movie they comment how everyone worked to hide Neo Zeon millitary equipment from inspections etc. Colonies fucking hate the Federation.
There's a lot to critize Unicorn and GCucks, but their interpretation of Char was on point - he is an empty vessel that people pour their wishes and expectation into. Even in MSG, when he meets Sayla in texas colony, they explain that it was Jimba Ral who hammered into Char's head that Zabis killed his father and they need to be punished.

>why doesn't he show up ZZ
He was supposed to but then CCA got greenlit so Tomino rewrote the story LUL

>>23367342
This, I don't get why people think jumping from Char at the end of 0079 to beginning of CCA somehow makes more sense, when Char doesn't even care much about the state of the Earth or Federation in the original. His main goal is killing Zabis (which he forgets momentarily for avenging Lalah, which he also switches around on after a draw with Amuro when Sayla interrupts). Zeta lays out his contolist views and ZZ shows the political landscape of the Earthsphere and explains why he would be angry at the Feds.

>>23366696 (OP)
Blame Amuro. It didn't help too that after the Gryps War most of his comrades are dead, and his protege Kamille became retarded.

>>23367358
Ok so why don't he just declared war and attack on Federation instead of dropping massive rock on Earth? How does killing billions of people on Earth would solve everything?

>>23366696 (OP)
Char isn't engaged in a supremacist campaign, he's lost and broken trying to find purpose in something. Getting people off the earth via asteroid drops was just the most convenient method of achieving his desire to both find a purpose (fulfilling a misguided vision of his father's visions) and to fight Amuro again. He doesn't give a damn about Zeon, he's just annoyed about his past failures while adrift in a meaningless existence and wants to rectify it.

Char didn't give a fuck about Kamille

>>23366696 (OP)
Closeted homolust for Amuro and/or desolution with the current state of the Federation made him go Make Zeon Great Again, Hathaway would try pulling similar shit years later with even more pathetic results.

Also he really likes throwing rocks at the earth, family tradition.

>>23366696 (OP)
It's because of that damn Indian child prostitute.

>>23367403
In the final episode of MSG, when Sayla talks to him, Char outright says killing the Zabi is just a side-goal, and what comes next is the Age of Newtypes.

You can easily jump from that to CCA without missing anything relevant.

>>23367118
he was supposed to be in zz but then CCA got greenlit so they didn't bother with him and instead added glemmy

>>23367441
his goal has always been to force people into space to let the earth "heal." more than a world of newtypes that's his motivation, and for all his talk about newtypes he's just as bad as any other zeek or feddie commander and ultimately only uses them as child soldiers

any answer is headcanon btw. it is NOT in the movie why he changed.

>>23366696 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQMz7YHPIiI

Amuro wanted to work patiently to get humanity off the planet. He believed humanity could still change for the better. Char didn't believe humanity would ever change without a great enough stimulus, and decided to be that stimulus to force change while he was still alive. Even if it resulted in a nuclear winter, humanity would fully leave the planet, be it willingly or through death.

>>23368007
it IS in the film. Nanai scene gives his personal reason and hide and seek fight inside Axis gives his political reason.

>>23368066
This. Char isn't as patient or optimistic as Amuro.

>>23367433
Amuro could have prevented this if he had impregnated Artesia

>>23370196
>a child between a Deikun and the New Type hero of OYW
Both the Fed and Zeon will hunt down that baby to the end of the universe

>>23370393
that's IF anybody figures out who Sayla actually is, which of course necessitates Amuro escaping Federation custody

>>23370196
Made me think of the Chrisposting meme.

"Amuro, please. My sister's ovaries are drying up.You need to fuck my sister! Continue the Deikun bloodline!"

>>23368066
It took 25 replies but this guy gets it
People forget that tomino never intentionally uses subtext, he just doesn't believe in it. Everything is more or less spelled out for the audience explicitly.

>>23367433
Apparently Tomino wanted to set CCA in ZZ and proceed to justify the change there.
Still, I've always preferred Quattro over Char and I'm always happy when they use that version in SRW.

>>23373819
I think being Quattro was one of the few times where he felt genuine and fulfilled. Sure, he's hiding his identity, but until he's forced to be a leader, he's rarely scheming. He's just working to make the world a better place.

>>23367162
This, he didn't revert to anything, Char never really changed.

>>23367358
>Then the AEUG sold out and joined the Federation becoming Titans 2.0 instead of fighting for Spacenoids rights.
The AEUG were always nothing more than useful idiots of Anaheim industries to knock out the Titans. The moment Titans were gone AEUG support magically evaporated.
The novels show more of the more dubious shady sides of the AEUG.

>>23374684
F90FF also show the more radical AEUG offshoot known as EGUM

they have so much leftover MS it's silly, like AEUG must have had its own divorce where these EGUM guys left with half of the entire house right before the AEUG get fucked up at the end of Zeta

>>23373881
His time as Four Vaginas is probably the only time we really see him being happy.
Dude's just chilling, doing his job, establishing genuine bonds, mentoring a child... the fact that he can leisurely have a drink with Amuro or have sappy internal monologues both times Kamille is trying to beat the shit out of him really cements how it was the best point in his life.

>>23366696 (OP)
Welcome to Tomino storytelling, where you have to fill in the blanks to assume what's going on.

>>23367329
Best answer honestly. There's a reason why hardly anything in Zeta or ZZ is ever referenced.

CCA does not forget Zeta.

CCA does not forget Zeta.

https://files.catbox.moe/zjmz8f.png

>>23370496

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/9atzq8Rfnp4?feature=share

>>23375913
Seems like Char is just jaded and cynical.

He tried to do reforms the honest way, but that failed miserably. All his friends in the AEUG were killed or crippled (Hayato, Kamille, etc).

Char had no one left.

>trying to conclude Haman and Kamille's character arc without Char
>trying to conclude Char's character arc without Haman and Kamille
This really was just an absolutely horrible pants on head retarded decision.

>>23366696 (OP)
"I'm the son of Deikum, but I will still use the name of this random guy because.."

>>23376022
Kamille's character arc is perfect as is.
Haman's could have been better had Char returned in ZZ but it's not the end of the world. Even in Zeta their implied history is kept on the sidelines. Some things are just better left unsaid, it's why Char's Deleted Affair doesn't work.
As for Char, his Quattro persona is influenced and shaped quite a bit by Haman and Kamille but in the grand scheme of things, they aren't THAT important to conclude his arc. By the time CCA arrives, one is dead and the other is in recovery.

>>23366968
Why was it losing kamille specifically that sent him over the edge? If we're going by the playstation cutscene at least

>>23376308
It's not Kamille that needs more (but he does, ZZ handwaves all his shit).
>they aren't THAT important to conclude his
Nigger there's no POSSIBLE way you believe this. Haman, sure okay fine, but Kamille is maybe the single person we see Char care the most about other than his indian child prostitute gf

>>23376465
he doesn't care, he just wants a loyal psychic child soldier

>>23376348
I interpret Zeta as Kamille and to a lesser degree Katz representing Char's hopes that the new generation will be better than those that fought in the OYW but they end up falling to the same tragedies and after ZZ it was largely for nothing. Kamille also could have served as a source of moral guidance like Lalah that could have kept him reasonable in the lead up to CCA.

>>23375913
It definitely doesn't outright forget or ignore Zeta
However, if you have only seen the original series (or the movie trilogy), CCA's still really easy to follow. Char's back doing his, "Oldtypes are gay and just want to use Newtypes as weapons, also fuck you for killing my Newtype-weapon gf!" thing from the end of 0079, Amuro's still in the EFF and piloting a Gundam. Bright's still the captain, and he even got to bang Mirai, good for him.
Meanwhile, if you have actually watched Z and ZZ, you start thinking about all the stuff that it's not acknowledging ('what happened to Beltorchika?' 'So where even was Char during ZZ?' 'Why would Amuro even rejoin the EFF after what they did to him?')
It's not really a close sequel to any of the previous entries, there's big gaps of how you got from 'there' to 'here' no matter what. But it's definitely closer to being an Encounters in Space sequel than anything else

>>23376503
Amuro is simply the goodest of goyim. He had to practically be forced to take action in Zeta after all.

>>23376590
he couldn't escape from Federation custody without a support group to join up with, he needed to know where Char or Bright was and be able to reach them before he took action

>>23373881
>>23374701
Char would've used Reccoa directly. Quattro on the other hand...

>>23376503
I always assumed Amuro and Beltorchika just had a fallen out. Maybe she didn't want to go to space with him in ZZ. Maybe she wanted kids and Amuro didn't want to repeat what happened to him with his kid, etc.
And as to why he'd rejoin, I personally think Amuro holds the same ideal as Suzaku from CG, I'll reform this corrupt government from the inside.

>>23376672
I think he's just bored and lost and Bright offered him a job

>>23376503
>Oldtypes are gay and just want to use Newtypes as weapons
this doesn't work when he is the one manipulating Quess and cyber enhancing Gyunei.
>Amuro's still in the EFF
Same as in Zeta then. Gryps conflict was a pseudo civil war between two factions of EFF trying to push their own ideology.
>what happened to Beltorchika?
possibly broken up. It's not important to the plot and can be easily inferred.
>So where even was Char during ZZ?
Answered at the end of ZZ (and in the beginning of CCA)
>Why would Amuro even rejoin the EFF after what they did to him?
Same reason Bright rejoined.
Also it's better to ensure the same mistakes don't happen again. Londo Bell is just Titans but good and without the crazy koolaid.
>It's not really a close sequel to any of the previous entries, there's big gaps of how you got from 'there' to 'here' no matter what. But it's definitely closer to being an Encounters in Space sequel than anything else
nope, only reason people think that is because of hyper fixation on similarities with the original while also ignoring the connections it has with Zeta, not to mention the complete misreading of Char's character in the fanbase.

>>23376467
I didn't believe the "mass media illiteracy" meme until now.

>>23376708
>this doesn't work when he is the one manipulating Quess
You missed the latter part of the sentence, where it's, "also fuck you for killing my Newtype-weapon gf!" After getting Lalah killed by trying to use her as a weapon against the Gundam, he then turned around and blamed everyone else for it
>Same as in Zeta then. Gryps conflict was a pseudo civil war
It certainly started with disaffected EFF officers, but then AEUG also has its fair share of former Zeeks who are just sick of the colonies being stomped on by the Titans
Besides, it's pretty cope-y to equate Amuro joining Karaba to Amuro rejoining the EFF (note that it's not the Titans keeping him locked up under constant surveillance, it's the EF government, who show no signs of having been even remotely redeemed by the time of CCA)
>Beltorchika... It's not important to the plot
Well, yeah. That's sort of my point, the Z/ZZ stuff isn't particularly relevant to CCA compared to the 0079 stuff
>Also it's better to ensure the same mistakes don't happen again. Londo Bell is just Titans but good
Londo Bell is being intentionally iced out of any position of influence, and them being able to intervene in time at all is entirely down to Cameron leaking clandestine EFF stuff. They're absolutely not 'the Titans but good', the Titans built their power on having institutional influence
>because of hyper fixation on similarities with the original while also ignoring the connections it has with Zeta
And I'd argue the attempts to connect it to Z/ZZ are just doing the opposite, overemphasising the importance of things which are referred to while handwaving away the bits that aren't

>>23376494
This. Zeta was Char hoping humanity could rise above war.
CCA was Char realizing they can't.
So he starts the one war to end all wars. The one that would kill Earth if he'd actually won it.

Has anyone ever stopped to wonder - was he playing the same gambit Treize Kushrenada was?

>>23376308
How's Kamille arc perfect? Dude got brainscrambled cursed by Scirocco, awakened Judau's NewType powers, became a Telepathy God (while also being able to send NewType energy through space) while his brain was messed up, and then he has a full recovery after Judau kills Haman... like what?!
With CCA in mind, it'd have been better if he remained in Shangri La in his brainscrambled mode. Fueling Char to bring forth the era of NewTypes, which could in theory prevent more NewTypes from being used as soldiers, and preventing more people from ending like Kamille.

>>23376716
he talks a big game as char and tries to reinvent himself as a different man as quattro but he ultimately continues the same patterns as the oldtypes he constantly rails against: recruiting and forcing children to be his soldiers, contributing to the environmental devastation of earth, and generally creating more divisiveness between earth and spacenoids. not to mention his attempts to commit war crimes on par with those of zeon during the oyw. he can say he's motivated by whatever he wants but ultimately just because he can't move on from lalah doesn't mean he's a noble soul, he's just bitter and feels like he has no choice but to embrace the role of "savior" by dropping axis on earth

>>23376964
anon I'm sorry but no matter what essay you write at this point, it cannot erase the fact that you claimed Char doesn't care about Kamille, and that might be the most retarded take anyone in this thread has seen

>>23377127
I've been rewatching zeta and in the first 9 episodes we've seen char do nothing but allow his crew to combat test kamille despite his clearly borderline emotional state (and in the armless mkII as well), try to "inspire" him by telling stories about himself, and allowing wong to beat him badly enough that he lost consciousness and needs bandages. In his mind it's all justified because he's turning kamille into a soldier (despite kamille's insistence across multiple scenes that he isn't sure that's really what he wants!) and believes he's a newtype. These things may somehow be meant to be char's way of caring but as objective actions they are simply grooming an impressionable and emotionally vulnerable youth to do his bidding. Granted it's been a while since I've watched the series and I know char opens up more as it goes but in the end after the battle with scirocco char abandons the argama and doesn't come back to assist them in zz - a real caring man, abandoning his injured child soldier the moment he doesn't seem capable. And when we see him next in CCA what is he doing? Finding new young newtypes to fill with ideas about how they can be the glorious future if they just do what he tells them. He doesn't care about newtypes, or spacenoids, or even the earth, he just cares about winning (and maybe being bitter/jealous that lalah and amuro had a connection). That's his whole motivation.

>>23366696 (OP)
Can't escape his father's shadows + mommy issues (for a woman younger than him btw) + mid-life crisis

>>23377233
Man wants a safe harbor for his soul, not a literal mommy.

>>23377167
He doesn't even care about winning, everything he does in CCA is him attempting to find something that will make him feel anything.

>>23377302
Amuro didn't die for you to still be denying Char's mommy issues nearly 4 decades later
Considering how haphazard Gundam is about a lot of things, I respect the decision to keep Amuro and Char dead despite having an easy out. That respect has gone down a bit after gquuuuuux though

>>23377167
the rest of Zeon are the ones filling the nubile youths with thoughts of the glorious future, he's just as much of a slave to the culture the Zabis built as the rest of the earthsphere
Char is just trying to feel something and maybe double suicide with his ex

>>23378202
always thought the idea of Char wanting Amuro to kill him was retarded, but murder-suicide does sound like a thing he might've done if he won

>>23377167
>he just cares about winning
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQMz7YHPIiI

The stupidest thing that this franchise has done is made the most important epilogue that could have bridged the gap between Zeta and CCA, only available through a videogame and they didn't even bother adding it to the New Translation.

>>23378285
>they didn't even bother adding it to the New Translation.
Because Tomino doesn't think that is important. That is why is relegated to a game cutscene.

>>23378244
Yeah he definitely fits the profile of a murder-suicide guy

How do I get an incredibly beautiful and mentally ill Char husband to father my children?

>>23378336
It's because the New Translation has a different ending, and Kamille didn't end up being a retard.

>>23378285
It doesn’t matter and was never Tomino’s intent. Char does not care that Kamille got fucked up.

>>23378459
>never Tomino’s intent

Did Tomino sneakily whisper it to you? Or did your ass spoke to you in one evening?

>>23378509
I read High Streamer, where he has Char belittle Kamille’s sacrifice. “Vulnerability is not a virtue, Amuro!”

>>23367136
Then why did he kill Amuro instead?

>>23378369
come to my house and be not ugly

>>23378541
You clearly didn't understood the exchange and meaning of that, Char at that point has accepted that he has to bear the responsibility of being the villain and that he is above personal grievances and tries his best to avoid being guilt driven.

>>23367257
>implying he had any growth in Zeta
Literally the entire first half of Zeta is characters telling Char he's a coward for not taking lead when he should have and hiding behind the Quattro persona when everyone could see through it, to the point that Kamille punches him out over it and Char's first thought was "The youth just doesn't understand" to show he was deluding himself
It took Blex literally dying to get Char to take action and even then he was reluctant to do the Dakar speech until they had no choice
The whole point of the scene when he has a Mexican standoff with Haman and Scirocco is that he's bullshitting his values to the point that Scirocco (a Newtype that can pretty.much read people to a T) says he's full of shit

You could argue that Char "tried" to be better but he just never had it in him, he wanted to make things work but that requires holding to certain obligations that he did not have the integrity to see through all the way

Tl:dr you're retarded and didn't pay attention to Zeta

>>23367702
Notice how Char only starts saying things about "muh Newtypes" after Lalah is dead and Sayla has criticized his need for revenge multiple times up until that point
Char is only motivated by how he felt personally in the moment. He just wanted to rationalize his need for revenge and he was upset over Lalah, he's basically going "N-No, Artesia, I'm still not obsessing over revenge and I'm certainly not coping over my Indian mommy gf getting killed that's definitely behind me"
And then he spends the next 8 years fucking around as Quattro to the point that he can barely feel Lalah's spirit
So much for the Age of Newtypes amirite?

>>23379714
>standoff with Haman and Scirocco is that he's bullshitting his values to the point that Scirocco (a Newtype that can pretty.much read people to a T) says he's full of shit
Char wasnt full of shit, Char was thinking far beyond leading Zeon, he was thinking about how to get the original idea of Zeon was created for, contolism, back into the mindset of humanity. That was the point of the Dafar speech. Early in Zeta when everyone was calling him a coward for not being open, literally know one when thinks about the fact that that him openly leading the AEUG as Char would just give the Titans validation for them to keep abusing their power because the AEUG would be seen as a Zeonic front group. It's only after enough shit has stirred between the titans and the regular Federation that it was a good time to come out and affirm the AEUG's stance as Char and his real Identity Casval. Everything Char did in Zeta, he did for the betterment of the Colonies, and Spacenoids, so that the idea of living in space be better accepted and easier to convert people towards living in space peacefully. You realize this when Char states that he wants to keep Zeon isolated after the speech. ZZ Gundam proves him absolutely right as to why they should have never been included into the gryps war. They spiraled so hard they literally undid everything he accomplished in Zeta. And if you think it would have never happened if Char had just taken lead from the start, understand that Glemy's whole reason for rising up was because Neo Zeon wasnt being Zabi enough, when Zeon was still in the control of the Zabi's via Minerva. The extremists of Zeon were gonna derail everything just as they did with Haman, because the Iron was still hot for them to revolt. People claim that Char in Zeta wasn't doing things seriously and living a lie, but with further attention paid to detail in Zeta, Char was, on the contrary, extremely invested in gryps and put tona more thought it into it's implications.

>>23379718
That's literally how people in real life behave, and this is why he's the most popular character.

>>23379872
I wish tomino was this smart

>>23379898
My guy, I wish people who try to suck off char when they make UC shows in general, were this smart.

I thought we were all on agreement about some basic things like Char caring about Kamille, but these discussions prove to me is that we needed CCA to address Kamille even more than I previously thought
like, it could be anything, from Kamille showing up to just Char mentioning him a single time

why is every discussion of char online just
HES A BIG MANCHILD WITH A MOMMY COMPLEX STOP THINKING TOO MUCH ABOUT IT!!!!!!!!!

>>23379962
Kamille showing up would be messy and require some time to be spent on it (although I wish Tomino had spoken on Kamille's fate during CCA on an outside source, such as an interview). I think Char mentioning it in some way would've been better. Even if it's something like "oldtype conflicts will break the minds of all NewTypes before we usher in the new age", or even asking/wondering if Kamille could forgive him for polluting the Earth.
In a way Kamille is more "mature" than Char, as he moved on from vengeance. He didn't fixate on Jerid, he killed him as if it was nothing to him/he had bigger problems to take care of. I think Char should've been more interested in post Zeta Kamille, as he was a whole new creature in terms of NewType. Hell as someone who hasn't watched Unicorn yet (or anything with further Uber NewType shenanigans), I have no idea if Kamille just has a whole apartment block of people in his head. Like, when he's making love to Fa, does he have Four in his head wishing it was her? Scirocco cursing him saying he'll cum early? Katz closing his eyes? Reccoa crying in the corner?

Kamille should have been Gyunei and Haman should have been Nanai and also knocked up. If you disagree then go play UC Engage or something idk I really like cringe.

>>23379995
Why would Kamille join Neo Zeon? Sincere question. And why would Char keep Haman alive? Seeing that a lot of problems occurred in Zeta solely because of Char's disdain for Haman.
But I myself have wondered if it wouldn't have been better for Char to join Neo Zeon and "correct" Haman, leading to a better Neo Zeon and avoiding ZZ.

>>23380024
>"correct" Haman
You can't fix crazy bitches.

>>23379995
>If you disagree then go play UC Engage
I didn't do that, I just watched the cutscenes online. I loved the stuff added to CCA. Seeing Judau and Kamille there makes me happy, and it's cool to see everything from Zeta and ZZ in full view, which makes CCA feel more grand.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ap4cNY4dQc&t=1s

>>23380024
>Why would Kamille join Neo Zeon
In the beginning when it's about "zeon but without the zabi bullshit" and Char embracing the position of leader of the spacenoids and newtypes. He would probably be pretty sympathetic to it.

>>23379962
We all agree on that, it's just that 4chan is contrarian by nature

>>23380131
>Japanese
>no subtitles
>can't find a translation
Well, fuck. Still cool to see I guess. It's weird how even SRW never does anything with Kamille and CCA Char.

>>23380271
Look man, I was fucking amazed at T for fucking shipping CCA Char and ZZ Haman.

>>23366696 (OP)
Because CCA is a character assassination.

>>23367403
Ask Tomino then, he's the one who ditched ZZ entirely when given the chance and made CCA ignore 99% of Zeta.

>>23380024
>Why would Kamille join Neo Zeon?
Because they fixed his brain?

>>23380041
You ever have BPD pussy? Shit is like a drug.

>>23366696 (OP)
A suicidal hatred of corrupt politicians who allowed the shit from Zeta onwards to happen. That and a deadly mix of "nothing will change", unresolved parental issues and unresolved romantic issues.

I can easily imagine Kamille being on Neo Zeon side until they decide to drop an asteroid on earth

>>23366696 (OP)
I was thinking. A lot of things Char says to Garma in 0079 can be applied back to him. I wonder if Tomino did this on purpose or not.
>blame this on the misfortune of your birth
>your father is the one to blame
and pic related

>>23379987
Best you're gonna get

Didn't Tomino suggest that if Kamille were in CCA, he'd just be there to get beaten by Gyunei?

>>23380788
it's love for a man that makes him get sloppy tho, he had like 4 solid chances to kill Amuro in CCA alone and he wasted them because he wanted the epic 1v1

>>23380788
Char is the U.C.'s biggest hypocrite, this has been known for a long time and is probably intentional. All of the Char and Garma arc in Gundam was to set up how Char is untrustworthy, unstable, and hypocritical, from him using multiple people, betraying his "best friend", and killing him simply because of his surname to him laughing mad as it happened.

As much as I hate Gcuck, it borrows a lot from the Gundam novels, like how Kycillia and Char weren't really all that different and the main rift was who got to be the one to claim Zeon's legacy, destroy Earth, and force humanity into space over a belief humanity would evolve from it.

>>23380798
when?

>>23380938
Idk, I just read it here and on other sites
>For this reason, it has been said that what Tomino said, "Even if Kamille had appeared, he would have been defeated by Gyunei," is in fact a possible outcome, at the very least. In both the TV series, the movies, and the novel, Kamille at his peak is on a par with Amuro and Char, and at the very least, Scirocco, who was so enraged that he threw Haman away, realizes that he has no chance of winning if he is pincer-attacked by the tag team of Kamille and Char (at the very least, Reccoa, who was accompanying him, would certainly be killed), so he cools his head and runs away. In the novel version of ZZ, there is a scene where Amuro expresses fear at the Psycho Gundam, saying that "even the three of us, Kamille, Char, and I, could not have defeated him by brute force," so there is no doubt that Scirocco and Amuro recognize Kamille as one of the strongest pilots. However, Kamille was exhausted both physically and mentally at the end of Zeta Gundam and retired from piloting, and due to his gentle nature, it is doubtful whether he can go all out against Char, to whom he feels indebted and has feelings for him. Kamille is in worse condition than Amuro immediately after his return in Zeta, and it is a very convincing story that suggests that he would be at a disadvantage against Gyunei, who is honing his skills as an active pilot and piloting a high-performance machine.

>>23380938
I mean japanese fans mentioned it from time to time so they must have pulled that out of somewhere

>>23380222
Kamille would have been utterly revolted by dropping 5th Luna and Axis. He a gud boi.

>>23376735
>Well, yeah. That's sort of my point, the Z/ZZ stuff isn't particularly relevant to CCA compared to the 0079 stuff
It is relevant. Quess's character is based on Kamille. Hathaway is introduced in Zeta and his arc follows the path similar to Katz. Axis, the giant mcguffin of the movie is from Zeta, Haman is explicitly mentioned, Astonaige is still there. ZZ shows the Feds go full mask off, it gives the political reason for why CCA would occur.

>>23377167
Zeta is so fuckin funny actually, watched a few more episodes over the last few days and when kamille punches char out and char cries thinking "this is what it is to be young" made me laugh so hard. Like char you're still pretty young dude, you can still change things in your life! You reinvented yourself as a whole new person! but still chose to be a soldier! He's so determined to make everyone else into some other person he imagines they can be, but can't seem to change himself in any way. And then when amuro shows up and char is literally shaking and quivering. There's also some interesting exchanges where kamille is clearly upset by the death of Roberto, and the first thing char tells him is that you can't be sentimental in a war, which is fair but also laughable coming from him. Char also tells hayato when he agrees to take katz to space that "being a father figure" might be a good thing for him, which sorta implies he isn't actively doing that for kamille imo.

>>23381767
I thought this level of projection was only a twitter thing

>>23376494
>>23376808
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>>23367358
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>>23379995
This would have been the true end of the conflict, right here.

>>23382058
This is wrong because it implies Char even gets to the part where purchases axis.
Kamille would've drop kicked him before he even tried to drop the first asteroid.

>>23379987
>he killed him as if it was nothing to him/he had bigger problems to take care of.
That isnt what happened. Jerid died by "accident" and Kamille onlooked as it happened. When he goes "everyone is dying" after Jerid dies, it's not from a perspective of "I gotta do something about this and stop!". It's from literal PTSD, PRESENT Traumatic Stress Disorder. Remember in that same episode Kamille just straight up opens his visor in space, he was disassociating so hard.

>>23382078
That picture is based on him after ZZ when he got better from his brain damage. If Kamille was in Neo Zeon like tomino had supposedly planned, he would did as you said. But then again if Kamille was in Neo Zeon, Char wouldnt have needed to drop an asteroid in the first place, Kamille wouldnt taken anymore shit from Zeon extremists after Haman, and he would be calling them put as the retards they are for basically fucking up everything that happened in the gryps war.

>>23379987
This post really derailed at the end but that's part of why I come here I guess

>>23380962
That's a pretty pragmatic way to look at it. I've always found it funny that Kamille retired to be a doctor when Domon Kasshu's VA did the same thing IRL lmao

>>23380795
This is just about the best way to do it, it's lowkey and in-character. Which SRW was this?

>>23382211
Looks like T, but Kamille and Char come to blows like that pretty often. In fact, Kamille being present in the story or not is usually what decides whether Char is recruitable by the end or not.

>>23382280
That's z2, that picture is older than T.

>>23382283
Nevermind, G gundam wasnt in Z or Z2.

>>23382285
Yeah I was gonna say it was SRW V before I saw Master there. They do Zeta and CCA together a lot.

>>23378541
Filtered

>Kamille does not appear [in CCA], and in Tomino's novel " High Streamer ", which is the film's companion, only his name is mentioned. When Amuro reunites with Char, he blames Char for "driving the boy named Kamille Bidan crazy", and shows intense anger at Char for not saving Kamille despite being right next to him. Char becomes enraged and says, "Being vulnerable is not a virtue! Amuro! Look at the masses! Look at the bureaucrats! Will they go crazy?! They remain calm no matter what happens and survive! Those who think that being vulnerable is a virtue because they have talent will be swallowed up by the masses. That's the reality!"

>Char's words may seem cold at first glance, but they are filled with indignation at the reality of why talented people are destroyed while the masses remain calm. Char keeps his sanity by replacing his self-blame for not being able to protect Kamille and his disappointment in the masses with anger, and this emotional outburst is expressed in this line.

>>23381913
What's the projection?

>>23380795
SRW T was wack, this singular line was cool but the rest of CCA was this bizarro fanfic where it was all Char's plan to make everyone hate him and take the space jews down with him, I also remember Judau would never shut the fuck up and that the writer had the weirdest hard on for Haman and would keep bringing her up

>>23382168
I need answers!

why does everyone online hate char so much?

>>23383888
Didn't Master Asia willingly team up with an actually evil machine that wanted to exterminate everything
I hate when SRW over-sanitizes characters to have them shit on others

>>23381295
>Quess's character is based on Kamille
>Hathaway... his arc follows the path similar to Katz
That's not really 'Zeta is relevant to understanding CCA' so much as 'Tomino is recycling ideas from his old work'
>Axis, the giant mcguffin of the movie is from Zeta
True, but it being the former hiding place for Zeon remnants doesn't make any difference. It's just a big rock Char buys to lob at Earth, same way he uses Fifth Luna (which had not previously been mentioned) in the opening act. You gain no extra insight from the backstory
>Haman is explicitly mentioned
Haman is namedropped once in passing, in the same way they make a bunch of passing references to the recent past in 0079 to give the setting a more 'lived in' feel. Again, not having seen Z or ZZ first isn't going to impact your understanding of what Char's speech is about
>ZZ shows the Feds go full mask off, it gives the political reason for why CCA would occur
The fact that a Zeon is even allowed to exist after the events of ZZ, let alone the idea that the EF would have any sort of political relationship with them like what we see in CCA, is frankly fucking bizarre

>>23366696 (OP)
His pupil ended up becoming became a vegetable by some pedophile from Jupiter, realizing Humanity is weighed down by Earth's gravity

>>23383898
T sanitizes everyone though, including Char

>>23383901
>The fact that a Zeon is even allowed to exist after the events of ZZ, let alone the idea that the EF would have any sort of political relationship with them like what we see in CCA, is frankly fucking bizarre
At the Federation and Titans' absolute worst, they're only ever willing to commit atrocities like killing a couple million civilians because it's the -easy- option, not because they have an actual genocidal desire to murder people for say, religious reasons. It's economy rather than actual specific hate. When dealing with Zeon remnants after the OYW, the Feds let them survive because it justifies the existence and continued funding of the EF forces, only going after them if they start anything major. When the Titans see the return of Axis Zeon, they don't immediately assume the worst and target Axis with weapons or even assume a defensive stance, Bask and Jamitov want to see where things will go rather than shoot and ask questions later. Same with Sentinel, the New Desides who inherit the Titans' ideals of earth supremacy are not above making deals with Axis when it suits them.

Then in CCA, Char has already flung an asteroid to Earth and the entire EFF -still- hasn't been mobilized against him in a huntdown. They hold negotiations, get faked out by Char who betrays them at Luna II, and the EF -still- doesn't deploy their entire resources to stop an extinction level event. Sure there's brief mentions of potential riots breaking out in the sides vaguely chaining down the EF fleets from leaving their ports, but riots inside colonies are fucking nothing compared to losing the Earth. A weakass response to anti-Fed rebels is consistent with the Federation in general (including F91 and Victory), but failing to put Earth first before the colonies here is fucking weird.

>>23383938
I think part of it is how much more space matters to the federation. For all the talk from char about people moving to space, I always get the impression watching Gundam that most people live in space, and the remaining earth population is relatively small (a billion or less). Maybe that's dead wrong and I missed something explaining the population dynamics but even if there's more people on earth a huge amount of industry has been moved to space as well. They make fleets and Gundams in space, anyway. And since space is so big you need a huge military presence to have even a chance of controlling a sizeable percentage of cislunar space.

>>23383865
bump, he's probably the most realistic and grounded antagonist i've ever seen and it's just hurrdurr MOMMY ISSUES MANCHILD

>>23384188
both things can be true
having your final moments be universe-shatteringly pathetic and your main drive be unresolved childhood issues is EXTREMELY realistic and grounded

>>23384598
well it's more of why do people hate him so much online hurrdurr he's a manchild
FUCK YOU people have wanted to murder the earth for much less

>>23383898
Master Asia wanted to get rid of humanity to protect earth, Char wanted to destroy earth and the humanity on it

>>23384598
honestly i feel worse for amuro, poor guy's last moments were being absolutely fucking baffled by his greatest rival and nemesis deciding to offload his mommy issues at the worst possible moment

>>23384792
Char wanted to preserve earth by driving humanity off of it. Not kill humans and the earth. But what he ultimately wanted were no more retard wars over the earth and nothing hinduring the colonies and spacenoids from pioneering the advancement of colonizing in space.

>>23384864
god whats with you people always reducing this shit to a meme

>>23384912
that's not 'reducing it to a meme', that's just the truth of the matter
amuro's last moments were spent trying to digest char essentially spilling his spaghetti, whether i call it mommy issues or a glimpse into his childhood issues doesn't exactly erase that

>>23384737
Personally I found Char boring, but after all he's the source of drama, most people are attracted to that

>>23384916
groannnnnnnnnnnn

>>23384929
don't groan that's just weird

>>23384864
Their rivalry is somewhat explicitly one-sided by the point of CCA with Amuro saying he just wants to be done with Char and end his life 2 minutes into the movie, and it honestly always was pretty one-sided (evident in things like Char giving up a dozen chances to kill Amuro so they could have a more epic 1v1, whereas Amuro just mercs him instantly the moment he's distracted in every fight they have), but I don't know whether that makes things better or worse, insofar as Amuro's last moments being "Lalah could've been a mother to me!"

>>23384944
Plus the time Amuro jumps out a moving car that he was driving, just to tackle Char.

>>23384910
You can't exactly preserve earth by crashing a giant asteroid into it and causing a second KT Extinction event anon

>>23384910
In other words, Char ultimately won as of G-Saviour

>>23384953
G-Reco is more or less Full Frontal's vision too.

>>23384948
I don't see it get brought up as often as it should but the flowery meadow fight ends with Amuro pulling a gun to kill Char then and there, before Quess disarms him.
Which is followed by Char, being carried by A FUCKING MOBILE SUIT, choosing to just let Amuro be instead of killing him.

>>23384966
Quess deserved worse

>>23384980
she got rejected by everyone she cared about, got bitch slapped by Nanai, got child soldiered by Char, was made to commit mass murder, saw her only friend(?) die and then got killed by fucking Chan of all characters because she couldn't shake off a horny teenager
what more do you want

>>23385103
for her to eject from the alpha azieru and her escape pod gets rescued and she gets forced into the underground sex trafficking and passed between brothels of the colonies

>>23385103
Well there's Gyunei before Amuro finished him but Gyunei had the same maturity like Quess, which is not that great

>>23385103
You forgot
>killed her dad
Although I guess she never found out about it.

>>23386819
in a way, another zeta reference since quattro asks kamille if he could shoot at his father if it came to it (he could not)

>>23375940
lol
Amuro yelling back in the background is great

>>23366710
God she's so hot.

I just started watching F91 and the only thing that keeps repeating in my head is how fucking disgusting the military is and i am reminded of how much i hate politics. EFF doesnt so anything and Crossbones wave off the slaughtering by issuing warnings to stay inside. If i was the blonde girl the first thing i would have done is put a dagger in the skull of the grandfather and be done with it. Fucking animals

>>23367441
the point is that he grew impatient when he realized that his vision for the future wouldn't be achieved in his lifetime, so he threw a tantrum and went for a very complex ritual suicide.

It's all commentary on this very specific communist movement that did the exact same thing back in Tomino's youth. He despised what they did in the end. See this video for context.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WhAhPMWtM8

It's sad, both Char and Amuro in the end believed in the same thing - that the age of newtypes would make the world a better place, Char just wanted to get there forcefully.
But in the end, it was an utopian nonsense all along, newtypes didn't make a single thing better, they aren't morally superior, if anything they proved to be more destructive and abusive than normal people because of their abilities.

>>23387019
Stop jerking off to your sister Bellri.

>>23387103
t. gundam protagonist ready to jack a prototype, wallop some cunts and do what must be done

>>23366968
According to UC Engage he always viewed Kamille as a tool.

>>23387164
You don't understand...the people of Earth...gravity...hearts...reeee

>>23387316
Forgive the shit on the side, I played UC Engage on my actual phone.
Though I think Engage is just trying to say Hi-Streamers dialogue is canon.
This is from when he ambushes Amuro in the Rick Dijeh and tells him his plans, and lets him then go.

>>23387144
CCA sums the newtype situation up perfectly. They can do amazing things for the world, but literally none of the newtypes in the movie can understand any of the others.

>>23387328
What does this mean in your opinion? "Weakness is not a virtue"?

>>23387403
Amuro understands Char perfectly, and is just disgusted by him.
Especially explored in UC Engage. He thought he had turned a new leaf with Quattro, but he got impatient and he hates that Char isn't strong enough to move on from Lalah and embrace growing as a person.
See also Amuro trying with Chan and not manipulating Quess/treating her like the child she actually is instead of Char using both her and Nanai. Since everyone who's not Lalah (or maybe Artesia, but she never talks to him after A Baoa Qu) is expendable to him.Whereas besides a bounce back fling with Beltorchika, Amuro puts effort into everyone.

>>23387144
We knew some NTs just suck from Scirocco.
And Kamille and Haman understood each other, and hated each other.
Its a debunked theory. Yes, understanding *can* bring some people together. Petty misunderstandings can be overcome. But sometimes people are just fundamentally different and hold different values. Understanding won't help there.

>>23387417
kamille cared too much and that's what ultimately drove him mad.

>>23386819
she genuinely hates the guy so not too sure she would care
she has some sort of newtype stroke shortly after doing it so she might have realizes, but it might have also just been a result of the mass murder

I get losing your apprentice/symbol of what newtypes can be would be hard but it's not like Kamille threw away all his ideals at the end. He sacrificed himself for those ideals. Why does this anger the char so much?

>>23387520
because Char can't do that

>>23380131
>Char and Haman were just the Dragons to Scirocco's Final Boss.
>Scirocco manages to piss off everyone so badly, they ALL end up dogpiling him and finding common ground in it.
>Scirocco being a massive cunt fixes the pinnacle of the UC conflict from where it all went tits up.
Lol. Lmao even.

>>23385107
Well- think of it this way, anon:
was her corpse ever confirmed?

>>23387417
Char is saying that Kamille cared too much, and that's why he died. But he's not so much saying it to Amuro as he is saying it to himself. Char is projecting as a means of cope that he failed to protect Kamille. As Quattro he cared too much. And it wasn't a virtue, because he let down the people that were depending on him most. More than that: he let what he thought was the hope of the future, die out.

>>23387520
>Why does this anger the char so much?
He's not mad at Kamille or even the federation. It's Haman, Glemy, and all that blindly followed them to make the shit show that was Neo Zeon.

>>23387520
retiring and frolicking in the beach when you're a human-shaped superweapon is basically throwing away your ideals, and probably not something Char would approve of
we'll never know how he feels about it if he does at all, though

>>23387417
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>>23387606
I like this interpretation from pixiv.
> Char's words may seem cold at first glance, but they are filled with indignation at the reality of why talented people are destroyed while the masses remain calm. Char keeps his sanity by replacing his self-blame for not being able to protect Kamille and his disappointment in the masses with anger, and this emotional outburst is expressed in this line.

>>23387520
>Why does this anger the char so much?
Because Char is projecting. He himself chose the 'weak' path of caring for others, and what it got him was being confronted with the fact that in the end he didn't measure up and couldn't protect them. Char doesn't just have a mommy complex, he also has an inferiority complex - which is why he cannot stomach being bested by Amuro at every turn. He literally is fucking pissed at himself for ever considering the option of opening up to others.

Unironically, Char is an absolute failure at Newtype understanding, to the point that he's closing himself off. (And this is why he no longer hears Lalah speaks. And why she still speaks to Amuro and says she can no longer reach out to Char.)

>>23366696 (OP)
>Why did Quatro revert back into Char

Give me a plausible post-war life for Quattro if the Gryps Conflict ended differently. I can't imagine what would Char do during times of peace.

>>23387898
beletorchka was right, char is a man who can't survive without war

>>23387880
Is it just Kamille, or did Char care for Blex, Haken, etc too?
He seemed willing and ready to kill Bright, but respected him as a leader in CCA.

I just learnt today that Tomino actually wanted people to leave CCA thinking "could Char and Amuro be gay...?" and it makes too much sense

>>23387516
>she genuinely hates the guy so not too sure she would care
Quess is not a psycho, at the end she tried to help Hathaway when Chan shot her. Why wouldn't she care in case she realized what she did

I haven't watched Gquacks yet but does this alt timeline have any chance of saving Char?

>>23387945
She is kind of a psycho and commits regular and mass murder without giving a shit, she just cared somewhat about Hathaway.
Since she strongly hated her dad and never once thinks anything positive about him, I can't imagine she'd especially care.

>>23387456
In High-Streamer, it said Beltorchika kinda dumped him when she knew about Amuro's mother issues. Amuro in HS had avoidant issues with women though, he could be kind to them but when things got too intense for him then he dipped

>>23387942
Tomino has changed his mind so many fucking times in the last 15 years (and even more since 0079) that I no longer take his word as valid.

Hell, I totally believe we're approaching a new "Depressed Tomino" period given how much of a doomer he has become.

Bandai has control of the franchize and they'll milk the fuck outta' neckbeards with plasting the same they'll milk fujoshis with... whatever they sell to them cus' I don't believe they buy as much gundam shit as to keep Tomino's words regarding them being the actual saviours of the franchize back at the first Gundam Movie.

>>23387971
>Since she strongly hated her dad and never once thinks anything positive about him, I can't imagine she'd especially care.
Quess also hates her father's mistress for ruining her family. Quess killing her own father means that she became a participant in destroying her own family, no better and even worse than the woman she despises. She can hate her father all she wants but I doubt she wouldn't flinch if she found out about that

>>23387898
>I can't imagine what would Char do during times of peace.
Scouting prominent Newtypes.
No really- he would just try to redux on how he found Lalah.

>>23387967
Just watch GCuck anon

>>23387328
>>23387316
My favorite part of this bit from Engage, and don't know if it's Hi-Streamers or not, but Amuro demands that Char turn on his camera and send him a live feed.
Sense Amuro can't believe Char would do this shit after serving with him as an ally during Gryps. He holds onto hope that it's some voice modulator and that Char died with the Shiki or just fucked off somewhere.
Amuro really does want to believe in the light of the human heart.

Char for his end, besides the respect of a rival and the grudge over Lalah, still views Amuro as a friend.

>>23366696 (OP)
>Why did Quatro revert back into Char

Do people watch Zeta with their entire heads shoved into their fucking assholes?

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>>23387316
Fun fact, this is also obvious if you actually fucking watch Zeta Gundam

>>23387019
she's so fucking plain jane
i don't understand why you fags go crazy for her
way hotter girls in the same show

>>23388368
You don't understand. Plain normal woman are very rare in Tomino shows. There's a reason girls like her, Emma, and Marbet are the bests girls in Tomino shows, they are the most sensible.

>>23388365
No it's not, Char for the most part of Zeta isnt manipulating Kamille, he's just his Commanding officer for the most part and rarely even a leading member of the AEUG. The whole point of him in early Zeta is that Char became Kamille's actual actual authorative father figure, just like Emma because his mother figure, even though she said she wasn't gonna be coddling him. She became his mother by beating his ass. Char doesnt seem to care to about Kamille, but because he views him as a tool or something like that. It from a perspective "we aint time to babysit you li'l bro, man up and do your job like the rest of us."

>>23388412
>Char for the most part of Zeta isnt manipulating Kamille

They spend multiple episodes grooming Kamille so he'll be a pilot for the AEUG

holy shit how fucking stupid and dense are you.

>>23387700
I think that interpretation relies on Char having a much bigger reaction than what's shown (or described for the original book), which is a common pattern with attempts to give him some kind of arc from Zeta to CCA.

>>23388425
That's not grooming, Kamille literally did that to himself. He was the one who punched Jerid on some petty shit, he was the one who stole a gundam, fucked up a titans base and ran off with AEUG, he was the who got his Mom used as a hostage for colateral, which then got her kill. He's the one who put himself on the Titan's terrorist lists. He was not instructed and guided by them to do any of that, but those were the choices he made and that's what he's gotta live with now. They aint gonna feel sorry for him and ans be expected to shelter him after he did all that. Welcome to the military fucker.

>>23388368
I know right! Bellri-kun is so stupid for pinning for her. He could find way better girls than her. Tch... So frustrating.

>>23388540
Nug is for Raraiya, this not up for debate

>>23387700
>Char keeps his sanity by replacing his self-blame for not being able to protect Kamille
You mean, him becoming a doctor and stop joining on para militarized organizations?

>>23388592
Your forgetting about all the crippling pstd Kamille now suffers from, anon. Think about it, Amuro is being still being tormented by Lalah in his dreams in CCA, imagine what Kamille is being haunted with

>>23388425
>steals gundam on his own
>uses it to assault titan officers on his own
>joins AEUG on his own
>THEY'RE HECKIN' GROOMERINOS
meds

I unironically think Kamille groomed Char more than the other way around.
Kamille doesn't even respect Char's authority, he assaults and attempts to tard wrangle him all the time.
Char never tried to manipulate Kamille or change his perspective, if anything Kamille is angry that Char just wants to grill as a rank and file pilot instead of taking charge.

>>23388554
wish they were bullying me
it isn't fair bros

>>23388636
Kamille didn't do shit

>>23388599
>imagine what Kamille is being haunted with
being stuck with Fa

>>23388599
I would also add to this, near the end of zeta kamille outright shocks char by telling him new types are only good for killing when it's the last thing that char wanted. Char realized then how badly he fucked up.

>>23389214
I wish I had a Fa

>>23393051
That's not really fair to pin on solely char, unless you are referring to him fucking up negotiations with Haman, but Him Kamille and Katz were like "nah fuck that crazy bitch". I would say that's another thing Kamille did to himself but given how close he got with Four and then with Rosamie, you can't really fault him for wanting desperately to find some validation that Newtypes just want to be left alone to live normally.

>>23387019
Why does he suit accentuate her clitoris?

>>23388642
I swear gundam Z has to be known for everyone beating the shit out of each other with there bear hands more than the gundams.

I have a question about the UC setting that I am not sure where to ask and I don't want to push a thread off the board for it so I will ask it here: how far away are the space colonies supposed to be from Earth?

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>>23395425
thanks anon

>>23387482
So basically, newtypes were an extension allegory of humanity moving into space; Tomino demonstrating that humanity needs to fix itself, not hope for some external advancement (reaching into space, newtypes) to save it.
Me, I just want Cima to slap me around a bit like she did Delaz, and then comfort me.

>>23395424
They're at the same orbital distance as the moon but located at different points in the same orbit, so travel from earth to any of the colonies is roughly 3 days. It'll be somewhat different from one of the Sides to another Side, though, anywhere from 1 to 5 days?.

>>23393910
Because it's a pseudo penis.

>>23396133
I didn't get the Cima hype when I was a teenager/20s.
Then I hit 30. And I get it.

>>23366968
not to mention the literal Anti-Earth Union Group begging the EFF to stop Haman from dropping the colony