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Anonymous No.23381224 >>23381238 >>23382549 >>23382776 >>23383044 >>23385238 >>23385284 >>23385916
this was a good movie. I finally watched it and was not let down, but I wish it had maybe an extra 20 minutes of denouement instead of just ending after the big battle. it's too hot for me to type more so I won't.
Anonymous No.23381238 >>23381573 >>23381619
>>23381224 (OP)
adding a few things to put more meat on the thread
>I like Agnes and wish she got a happy ending
>can Lacus do the OP thing accords can do too?
>where is this thing about Athrun liking Kira's mom coming from? It wasn't even in the movie unless I missed it
>I miss the OG English voice for Kira, I think it was Richard Cox?
Anonymous No.23381468 >>23382474
Honestly thinking back, there could have been a lot more unique interactions between characters that were unheard of.
>Shinn and Lacus never talked
>Mu and Shinn never talked (about Stella)
>Luna and Kira never talked
>Meyrin and Lacus never talked
Anonymous No.23381573 >>23381865 >>23382474
Yeah itโ€™s good.

>>23381238
>can Lacus do the OP thing accords can do too?
Yes.
>I miss the OG English voice for Kira, I think it was Richard Cox?
Matt Hill. I canโ€™t watch the new dub no matter how I try. The pronunciations are all fucked up, dialogue is fucked up, audio levels are fucked up.
Anonymous No.23381609 >>23381658
Why didn't Shura and Orphee try to Yami ni Ochiru Kira during the final battle?
Anonymous No.23381619 >>23382474
>>23381238
>>I like Agnes and wish she got a happy ending
She's alive. Which is more than what could be said for other characters who shared her voice actress in SEED.
Anonymous No.23381658 >>23381697
>>23381609
Only Griffin can do that
Anonymous No.23381697 >>23382474
>>23381658
Damn the Accords are fucking frauds.
My GOATs would never.
Anonymous No.23381865
>>23381573
just aint the same without that Ob
Anonymous No.23382474 >>23382532
>>23381573
Lacoos killed me
>>23381468
movie felt a bit rushed and you can see they kind of wanted to give everyone at least a frame or thing to do... if only the art of the OVA wasn't completely dead, it could have been a 3 hour thing even.
>>23381619
doesn't she land on the moon? that's good luck since Shinn and Luna had that happen to them... kinda good luck anyway?
>>23381697
the accords are kinda like innovades I guess... which isn't the worst concept to recycle. and it was super cool when Shinn's mind just went blank and there was nothing they could do.
Anonymous No.23382491 >>23382532 >>23393576
Shinn should've fought Shura to get the rematch from the sword duel earlier. Also I kinda wish Orphee and Ingrid didn't die
Anonymous No.23382532 >>23385690
>>23382474
Yes. Like I said, she lived until the end. Which means a lot considering every other character voiced by Houko Kuwashima in the CE ended up dying. (Via Hibiki, Natarle, Flay, Stella) Agnes broke the curse.
>>23382491
How would Shura have reacted to naked ghost Stella?
Anonymous No.23382549 >>23382622
>>23381224 (OP)
I loved it. Every character that appears in the film gets at least one little moment to shine (even though I don't know why Andy isn't in the film). I never cared about Shinn but I think he was utilized perfectly in the movie, really contrasts with Kira how he's still a little immature and hot-headed. Everything involving Kira, Athrun and Lacus was great and THAT one Athrun moment was super cool. Already one of my favorite Gundam movies.
Anonymous No.23382613 >>23393561
Does any other protagonist love their Gundam as much as Shinn?
Anonymous No.23382622 >>23382647 >>23382654
>>23382549
>even though I don't know why Andy isn't in the film
Proof enough that "people" that like the CE are retards that don't pay attention and only get distracted by flashy imagery.
Anonymous No.23382647 >>23382660
>>23382622
And he was the captain of the Eternal too during the final battle, wasn't he?
Anonymous No.23382654
>>23382622
Oh, my bad, only watched it once. That scene goes by really quick and I was paying attention to the Bucues there. So he technically IS in the movie, but he doesn't do anything and was included only as a quick cameo, same with Sai.
Anonymous No.23382660
>>23382647
What? No. The Eternal effectively only shows up once.
Anonymous No.23382776
>>23381224 (OP)
>this was a good movie. I finally watched it and was not let down, but I wish it had maybe an extra 20 minutes of denouement instead of just ending after the big battle. it's too hot for me to type more so I won't.


Why didn't you watch the Directors Cut Extended Remastered Edition?
Anonymous No.23382856 >>23382939
It didn't have enough Murrue fan service.
Anonymous No.23382939
>>23382856
She's never had a shower scene in anything.
Anonymous No.23382996 >>23383003 >>23383011 >>23384770 >>23384972 >>23384986 >>23385005
What do you think of the character/MS rankings from shortly after the movie released?
Anonymous No.23383003
>>23382996
People just love Kira, he's basically Gundam Jesus
Anonymous No.23383011 >>23383125 >>23383157
>>23382996
I will never understand the Yzak love
This nigga was a war criminal
Anonymous No.23383044 >>23383172
>>23381224 (OP)
my favorite scene was when athrun was beating the fuck out of kira
Anonymous No.23383049 >>23384879
>Flawless victory again
Garbage.
Anonymous No.23383098 >>23383229 >>23386299
You think Femto Armor will catch on as a trend in mobile suit development following Freedom?
Anonymous No.23383125
>>23383011
Japs like angry femboys, I guess?
Anonymous No.23383157 >>23385565
>>23383011
He had some character development and guilt from it then took out 2 Druggies with the least powerful of the Gundams.
Anonymous No.23383172
>>23383044
That's what friends are for.
Anonymous No.23383229
>>23383098
Itโ€™s possible Compass might be able to reverse engineer and use it on new ace machines. I donโ€™t think theyโ€™d shy away from using enemy tech, thatโ€™s hardly a thing in CE.
Anonymous No.23384758 >>23384865 >>23386636
Didn't think I'd come across this.
Anonymous No.23384770 >>23384776
>>23382996
Still surprised Cagalli ranked so high while Lacus is only number 5.
Anonymous No.23384776
>>23384770
Reminder that Athrun made Shura, an Accord genetic supremacist, view the mental equivalent of a racemixing sex tape.
Anonymous No.23384865 >>23384873
>>23384758
How the heck can they talk about Gundam Seed for 90 minutes? Is he just rambling nonsense?
Anonymous No.23384873 >>23384889
>>23384865
It's a she, actually. As for the length, I have no clue. I listened for about 20 minutes, but things felt mostly like preamble. Stuff was said, but not much was done then to expand why said things were either good or bad.
Anonymous No.23384879 >>23384881 >>23397496
>>23383049
Shinn is the FLAWLESS VICTORY boy this time though, SF almost gets blown up and IJ takes damage and loses parts.
Anonymous No.23384881 >>23384883
>>23384879
It's bait, anon.
Anonymous No.23384883
>>23384881
Oh no, I acted on IMPULSE....
Anonymous No.23384889 >>23384899
>>23384873
>It's a she
I don't buy it.
Anonymous No.23384894 >>23384902 >>23384942 >>23390768
I never understood this frame. Why are Mayu and Stellar appearing with the Impulse? Because he associates the Impulse with him being weak?
Anonymous No.23384899
>>23384889
>I don't buy it
I mean, you can look into it yourself.
Anonymous No.23384902
>>23384894
I think it's because Luna just got in his flight path. That said, you might be onto something with that.
Anonymous No.23384942
>>23384894
Well, let's get autistic here.

Shinn is already massively stressed. He's fighting for a world he doesn't believe in. He's fighting to create a world without war, by first exterminating Orb. Athrun tells him he's full of it and asks if that really is the kind of world he wants. Now Shinn's in the cockpit hyperventilating and thinking on all that he's lost.
>Mayu's phone message, her running and smiling
>Stella dying in his arms in Berlin
>himself crying over his family as Freedom is fighting in Orb
>him lying Stella to rest in a lake
>him bringing down the Freedom, but only temporarily
He charges at Athrun. Suddenly a white mobile suit swoops in to block him from Athrun. Shinn doesn't really see the Impulse, he sees Mayu and Stella, two people he's lost. And he sees the mobile suit he associates with losing them - the Freedom. He doesn't slow down his attack, he intensifies it, while screaming his head off
> ใ‚„ใ‚ใ‚ใ‰ใ‰ใƒผ!! / Make it stop!! / No more!!

TL;DR
He's in his own head. He doesn't register the Impulse, he sees it as the Freedom. It's the Freedom that he associates with him being weak.
Anonymous No.23384972 >>23384986 >>23385845
>>23382996
Best girl Lunamaria not even on it...
Anonymous No.23384986 >>23385000 >>23385010
>>23382996
These were only the interim results. Here are the final results.
https://www.gundam-seed.net/special/gp2024/

>Character
1. Cagalli
2. Kira
3. Lacus
4. Athrun
5. Shinn
6. Yzak
7. Arnold
8. Dearka
9. Lunamaria
10. Stella

>>23384972
You're in luck!
Anonymous No.23385000 >>23385040 >>23385567 >>23385755
>>23384986
>MS/MA
1. Freedom
2. Mighty Strike Freedom
3. Destiny Spec II
4. Z'Gok
5. Strike Rouge
6. Strike Freedom
7. Akatsuki
8. Infinite Justice
9. Rising Freedom
10. Infinite Justice Spec II

(I was hoping the Strike would do better, but it got 11th)
Anonymous No.23385005 >>23385224
>>23382996
I don't get the Cagalli meme, she barely did shit in the movie.
Anonymous No.23385010
>>23384986
This is cute art of Kira with his love interests
Anonymous No.23385040
>>23385000
Is it really fair to divide Z'Gok and Infinite Justice Spec II into seperate categories? They are the same suit. Z'gok is just the outer armor of Justice Spec II. Not a full suit. They put the two votes of IJ and Zgok together.
Anonymous No.23385183
>tfw still haven't watched the movie yet because I haven't steeled myself to suffer through all of Destiny despite at least three attempts
Anonymous No.23385224
>>23385005
She was mostly support but had vital roles. She sent Athrun to the Foundation because shit was suspicious and already had evac plans ready, which is why everything went so quickly in the film. She had the Impulse, Destiny and Strike Freedom repaired, clearly why Athrun has the Infinite Justice too, and loaned Mu the Akatsuki again. Her remote system is why Athrun beat Shura but she was also controlling the IJ when Athrun was in the SF. https://x.com/fukuda320/status/1799118247402619018
Anonymous No.23385238
>>23381224 (OP)
this movie is the definition of turn your brain off and have fun, both for good and bad
Anonymous No.23385284
>>23381224 (OP)
It was a good ending to the SEED storyline
Anonymous No.23385565
>>23383157
he acknowledges his war crime once without even directly saying he killed innocent civilians in the process because the writers clearly couldnt handle trying to properly redeem him
Anonymous No.23385567 >>23385582 >>23385755 >>23385755 >>23385772
>>23385000
I cant believe they like the Freedom that much it looks like shit compared to Strike
Anonymous No.23385582 >>23385755 >>23392535
>>23385567
Strike has the ugliest SEED backpack
Anonymous No.23385690
>>23382532
They missed the opportunity to give TM Revolution a character in Freedom and have him survive the movie
Anonymous No.23385755 >>23385785
>>23385000
>>23385567
>>23385567
>>23385582
>Aile strike no where near top 10
THE FUCK
Anonymous No.23385772 >>23385787
>>23385567
Maybe they like it because of Kira.
Anonymous No.23385785
>>23385755
The Aile Strike isnโ€™t separate from the Strike, which got 11th
Anonymous No.23385787 >>23385849
>>23385772
Makes me wonder what they think of the Freedom's interventions in Destiny, or Angel Down.
Anonymous No.23385845 >>23385943 >>23390683
>>23384972
>Lunamaria
>best girl
She is very cute, yes, but let's be honest here, she's barely a character and can't hold a candle to Lacus and Cagalli. In my opinion there's nothing wrong with "cute for the sake of cuteness" in anime, but Lunamaria is 100% pure waifubait, I'm sorry Anon.
Anonymous No.23385849
>>23385787
Itโ€™s not a monolith, there are plenty who still think Kira was in the wrong and deserved to be shot down.

That said, the main fan sentiment seems to be that Kira wasnโ€™t in the wrong for trying to reduce the number of deaths. Iโ€™ve seen some say that the only one in the wrong there was Athrun.
Anonymous No.23385916
>>23381224 (OP)
not a fan of MSF making a beeline for the nearest beach so Kira and Lacus can immediately strip off their clothes and fuck?
Anonymous No.23385943 >>23386083
>>23385845
>Lacus
>character
If you mean Deus ex Machina, sure.
There's nothing to her but always being right and having asspulls to save every situation.
Cagali is a character though yes.
Anonymous No.23385948 >>23386880
Ingrid > Lacus
Orphee won he just didn't realize it
Anonymous No.23386083 >>23386270
>>23385943
>There's nothing to her but always being right
Literally the first half of Freedom is her fucking up because she's being hasty trying to put BC to bed. Even in Destiny, you could make the argument that her passivity was what let things get so bad in the first place.
Anonymous No.23386270 >>23386291 >>23386347
>>23386083
So it took until the latest movie to give her a flaw?
And SEED and Destiny she's perfect?
Anonymous No.23386291 >>23386370
>>23386270
She was Morosawa's self insert so...
Anonymous No.23386299
>>23383098
I feel like everyone higher up will want to bury the fuck out of it because of how badly it can emasculate the average force. Compass's aces don't really need it and the enemy having it just makes it hard for them to do their interventions, especially one Kira is attempting as it really messes up his beam spam disable tactics.

The main people who would want it are people like Blue Cosmos to make their huge WMD mobiles even harder to stop.
Anonymous No.23386347 >>23386402
>>23386270
Did you just stop reading halfway through my post?
Anonymous No.23386370 >>23390568
>>23386291
No, thatโ€™s who Cagalli was
Morosawa said that she found Lacus to be an unreasonable woman for supporting her man going out and risking his life rather than asking him to stay behind
Anonymous No.23386381 >>23386389
Just as I suspected before this was properly announced, the EarthAlliance was complete irrelevant to the point where they have been reduced to a faction of faceless mooks.
Anonymous No.23386389
>>23386381
The Eurasian Federation is in total shambles, the Atlantic Federation is perfectly fine, maybe even better than ever
I wouldnโ€™t be shocked if we see a new Alliance between the AF and Orb in a future work
Anonymous No.23386402 >>23386410
>>23386347
No but you said arguable in Destiny and Destiny does not make that argument, that's you being charitable.
Anonymous No.23386410 >>23386514
>>23386402
NTA
Doesnโ€™t it? Doesnโ€™t she regret that her absence from politics led to Meer being used and then dying?
Anonymous No.23386514
>>23386410
And Meer is one of the reasons she decides to take an active role in the worldstage following Durandal's defeat as well despite not wanting to.
Anonymous No.23386636
>>23384758
Anyone watch this shit?
Anonymous No.23386880 >>23390440
>>23385948
>Orphee won
The cuck girlfriend Olympics?
Anonymous No.23390440 >>23390574
>>23386880
The KWAB villain of the CE Olympics.
Anonymous No.23390568 >>23390798
>>23386370
So, the reason Cagalli was going through so much shit in Destiny was because Murosawa hated herself?
Anonymous No.23390574 >>23393556
>>23390440
He's got some competition.
Anonymous No.23390597 >>23390617 >>23390774
is it just me or does Kira go from being mature in SEED to exceedingly stoic in Destiny to just utterly immature in Freedom?
Anonymous No.23390607 >>23390772
https://youtu.be/I2P7ZhrcjGs?t=167
>athrun saves kira's worthless faggot ass in the movie with his z'gok
>twice
>zeus destiny is mighty freedom's assist
athrunsisters... I can't take the humiliation any longer...
Anonymous No.23390617 >>23390663 >>23390761 >>23390798 >>23390820
>>23390597
Kira as a character died the moment Aegis exploded in his face. The corpse was repurposed for a wish fulfilment power fantasy mary sue moralfag self insert for Fukuda.

In Destiny they at first wanted to dig up the rotting corpse one last time and use it properly this time around - as a Sacrificial Lion and Passing the Torch. But they got cold feet the moment Impulse shoved his sword in his face. The stinky bloated corpse was then re-repurposed for even more schizophrenic mary sue wank that could only be excused as a brain cancer dying wish.

And in the movie they inadvertently became semi-conscious of this and parodied the character with a hilariously retarded melodramatic otome NTR plot point which culminates in him crashing out, getting mauled by Athrun and then totaling both Freedoms in the movie. Which was the most appropriate thing they could've done, second only to finally putting him down.

tl;dr don't think about these characters too much. They're not written as humanlike characters. They're entertaining clowns. Same goes for action scenes and world building consistency in CE.
Anonymous No.23390663
>>23390617
but what if we didn't know how fast it accelerates? how much grip would that require?
Anonymous No.23390683 >>23390761 >>23390820 >>23391216 >>23391318
>>23385845
>she's barely a character and can't hold a candle to Lacus and Cagalli
Neither Lacus nor Cagalli are characters what the fuck.
Lacus is only interesting if you take the schizo cope theory that she's an evil mastermind. Otherwise she's a disgusting Mary Sue that makes no fucking sense in-universe. She has no motivations for anything yet she has the resources to shit out nuclear powered Gundams in months.
And Cagalli is an even bigger crying joke with Destiny completely shitting on what little character she garnered in SEED. Didn't even let the bitch keep her dad's Akatsuki lmao.

At least Luna has the endearing retard couple thing going on with Shinn and actually pilots a Gundam. Impulse now being a proper complement unit for Destiny, capable of matching any of Destiny's needed roles with silhouettes and Destiny now being capable of recharging Impulse with deuterion beam upgrade.
Anonymous No.23390761 >>23390807
>>23390617
>>23390683
Literally too retarded for a teen's show.
Anonymous No.23390768 >>23390777
>>23384894
Luna is in the Impulse.
Anonymous No.23390772
>>23390607
Destiny Spec II isn't even playable yet...Shinn bros...
Neither is Orphee or Shura though I guess
Anonymous No.23390774 >>23390783
>>23390597
I thought that his characterization in Freedom made way more sense than whatever we saw in Destiny
Anonymous No.23390777 >>23390805
>>23390768
Yeah but why are Stella and Mayu there as ghosts?
Anonymous No.23390783
>>23390774
Not really. Destiny Kira is the best version of him.
Freedom Kira is just bad, non-canon fanfiction.
Anonymous No.23390798 >>23390801
>>23390617
But Athrun is his self insert

>>23390568
Their relationship issues at least were based on their irl issues
Anonymous No.23390801
>>23390798
No one wants to self insert as Assram the loser.
Anonymous No.23390805
>>23390777
Because Shinn was falling apart almost as hard as the whole show at that point.
Anonymous No.23390807 >>23390818
>>23390761
Retards take it seriously. Even Fukuda told you to turn your brain off.
Anonymous No.23390818 >>23390826
>>23390807
That just makes the fact that you're still too retarded for it worse.
Anonymous No.23390820 >>23390826
>>23390617
>>23390683
SEED haters are retarded, as always
Anonymous No.23390826 >>23390834
>>23390818
>t. The Raped

>>23390820
I love it THOUGH.
Anonymous No.23390834 >>23390838
>>23390826
>I love it, thatโ€™s why I post random untrue shit about it lmao!
Ok
Anonymous No.23390838 >>23390847
>>23390834
It's all true, sorry.
Anonymous No.23390844 >>23390858
The movie is quite kind to Shin. He single-handedly takes out a couple of opponents alone.
Anonymous No.23390847 >>23390848
>>23390838
>none of the characters are characters!
>Kira was meant to die, the new characters were just meant to kill all the old ones!
>Lacus is an evil mastermind who churns out nuclear Gundams!
SEED haters are retarded.
Anonymous No.23390848 >>23390854
>>23390847
Yeah, all true. And that's fine.
Anonymous No.23390854
>>23390848
Thatโ€™s all complete bullshit though
You not understanding characters doesnโ€™t mean they arenโ€™t characters
Shinn was intended to be replaced as MC from the very start
Lacus doesnโ€™t run Terminal

Put your phone down and pay attention when you watch something, ffs
Anonymous No.23390858 >>23390861 >>23391019
>>23390844
Freedom was kinder to Shinn than Destiny was.
Anonymous No.23390861
>>23390858
Well yeah, Destiny is about Shinn being manipulated and used by the people he trusts most
Anonymous No.23391019 >>23391128 >>23391719
>>23390858
Anonymous No.23391128 >>23391719
>>23391019
Based
Anonymous No.23391216 >>23391241
>>23390683
>least retarded destiny fan
Anonymous No.23391241 >>23391274
>>23391216
Don't you dare lump him in with other Destiny fans. He's in a league of his own.
Anonymous No.23391274 >>23391325 >>23391886
>>23391241
Look, I don't hate Destiny. But it's definitely a downgrade from Seed. Sick mobile suits though.
Anonymous No.23391318
>>23390683
Even in EXVS, I liked how Gunner Zaku compliments Destiny so well, just by virtue of the cost and roles.
Anonymous No.23391325 >>23391342
>>23391274
That's not saying much, even people who love Destiny can generally agree
Anonymous No.23391342 >>23391725
>>23391325
Just saying. I'm a Gundam fan? Absolutely. I'm a Gundam Seed fan? Sure. I'm a Gundam Seed Destiny fan? I don't know if I'd use that word.
Anonymous No.23391683 >>23391847
Kira and Lacus are villains.
Anonymous No.23391719 >>23391852
>>23391019
>>23391128
Canon thanks to drama CD. He still hates Athrun (warranted) but he ended up liking Kira.
Anonymous No.23391725
>>23391342
True GSD fans accept its retardation as a complete package. Shit and all.
Schizos try to gaslight themselves with extra material and cope theories.
Anonymous No.23391847
>>23391683
Kira is an allegory for Jesus, he can't be a bad guy
Anonymous No.23391852 >>23391911
>>23391719
>He still hates Athrun (warranted)
How is it warranted?
Anonymous No.23391886 >>23392346
>>23391274
Not to start an autistic slap fight, but the one that I think is better honestly just depends on mood.
Anonymous No.23391911 >>23392549
>>23391852
Probably because Assram is a schizophrenic retard.
Anonymous No.23391922 >>23391942
I binged the whole series in a few days, nothing will outass the Kira teleport. As for the movie, the weird mind control thing just reeked of poor plotting so the movie turned out rather mediocre for me. Freedom does look sick though.
Anonymous No.23391942 >>23391960 >>23392354
>>23391922
>Kira teleport
What
Anonymous No.23391960
>>23391942
The one they made an entire manga tie-in to explain the asspull.
Anonymous No.23392346 >>23392479
>>23391886
Fair. Destiny has more of that "2000s angsty teenager" flavor to it, which is not objectively bad, and I do admit sometimes I'm in the mood for it.
Anonymous No.23392354 >>23392365 >>23392375
>>23391942
Kira loses to Asrun when the latter explodes his mobile suit at him, Kira presumed dead. Actually Kira is alive and safe back in one of the plants.
Anonymous No.23392365
>>23392354
the orphanage guy just had a rocket ready to launch at any time or something, idk I didn't read the manga
Anonymous No.23392375 >>23392442
>>23392354
>Kira loses to Asrun
Didn't happen. Kira won the fight and Assrun had to resort to blowing himself up.
Anonymous No.23392442 >>23392491 >>23392711
>>23392375
>kira won the fight
>by getting caught in aegis' MA grip
You see, Assram, I won because dying unlocks my Super Jesus Christ 2 zenkai boost.
Anonymous No.23392479 >>23392523
>>23392346
Y2K angsty teen edge is unironic kino and I'm tired of pretending that it isn't. I never grew out of it. Instead I became immune to shame and cringe.

I pity you if you've never blasted Linkin Park while playing Rengou VS Zaft 2, enacting your favorite AMV moments.
Anonymous No.23392491 >>23392509 >>23392511 >>23392711
>>23392442
Aegis was completely out of power
Athrunโ€™s only recourse was blowing up Aegis
It STILL didnโ€™t kill Kira or destroy the Strike, at least nowhere near as bad as the Aegis got it

Athrun lost
Anonymous No.23392509 >>23392543 >>23392692
>>23392491
I'm guessing you feel the same way about Freedom vs. Impulse. Shinn lost because Kira didn't die even if he destroyed the Freedom.
Anonymous No.23392511 >>23392519 >>23392692
>>23392491
>It STILL didnโ€™t kill Kira
Ok I guess nobody wins anything in this universe because all 3 of these motherfuckers keep surviving despite getting their suits blown up.
Anonymous No.23392519 >>23392525 >>23392560
>>23392511
Mu is the biggest winner since he keeps surviving getting blasted by big ass beams.
Anonymous No.23392523 >>23392538
>>23392479
Shinn is more fun to watch in combat than the other two, especially during the middle parts of Destiny where he feels more like a Musou character than a Gundam pilot.
Anonymous No.23392525 >>23392560
>>23392519
>Mu is the biggest winner since he keeps surviving getting blasted by Murrue's big ass titties.
Anonymous No.23392535
>>23385582
Sword Strike is sex.
Anonymous No.23392538 >>23392541 >>23393574
>>23392523
Very true. I fell in love with him thanks to his Impulse stunts but I also loved him in Destiny. He pilots like a suicidal maniac. Completely unhinged.
Anonymous No.23392541 >>23392788 >>23392870
>>23392538
>He pilots like a suicidal maniac. Completely unhinged.
But doesn't the show treat that as a bad thing?
Anonymous No.23392543 >>23392545
>>23392509
Correct.
Anonymous No.23392545 >>23392692
>>23392543
Then that means Kira lost the Savior fight since Athrun didn't die either.
Anonymous No.23392549
>>23391911
Mainly in Destiny. At least in Freedom he knows what he wants and that's to impregnate his best friend's twin sister.
Anonymous No.23392550
Anonymous No.23392560
>>23392519
>>23392525
He was always my favorite.
>aryan chad
>no bullshit coordinator magical powers
>genes so strong his dad was cloned multiple times
>fights mobile suits using shitty mobile armors no problem
>bangs the big titty captain
>loved by all his crewmates
>mentor figure to the protagonist of the series
>sacrifices himself to save his friends
>comes back to life to bang the captain some more
He's beyond based.
Anonymous No.23392692 >>23392717
>>23392509
No, Freedom vs Impulse was a win because Shinn was able to actually shoot down the Freedom, it was irreparable
Angel Down itself was a loss

>>23392511
The point was that Athrun lost his suit and didnโ€™t damage the Strike beyond repair in turn, it canโ€™t be anything but a loss

>>23392545
No, Savior was completely irreparable
Anonymous No.23392711 >>23392722 >>23393319 >>23393333
>>23392442
>>23392491

It was a draw, as both would have died without a third party rescuing them.
Anonymous No.23392717
>>23392692
I know that. It's just that one particular anon once claimed only battles where Kira wins matter to him, and he called Shinn a "cheater" for his fight against Freedom.
Anonymous No.23392722
>>23392711
Yeah, a draw works, itโ€™s just definitely not an Athrun victory Iโ€™d say
Anonymous No.23392788 >>23392817
>>23392541
Seed Destiny treats it as a bad thing because he's not regulating his emotions properly.
Seed Freedom inadvertently treats it as a good thing because Shinn is now on Team Kira and someone has to handle the extra BKs.
Anonymous No.23392795 >>23393553
When Z'gok did it's cast off my brain heard the musical sting and for a moment I thought Ibwas going to hear the Ultraman Mebius themesong.
Anonymous No.23392817
>>23392788
If SEED Freedom winds up treating it as a good thing, wouldn't it be because he's finally in a good headspace mentally? Also, I thought his fighting style changed somewhat in the movie.
Anonymous No.23392870 >>23392987 >>23393203 >>23393469 >>23393574 >>23395437
>>23392541
Partially. The main crux of his criticism from the cast was not just about him being reckless but him being reckless and zealous for the wrong cause. In the finale he loses his faith (heh) in the whole plan and just runs on fumes - leading him to almost dying. I remember one anon describing Shinn as a shounen protagonist that lost his will and motivation, meaning he can't bullshit his way to victory anymore.

In the movie he's at first strategically mellowed out by Kira putting him in support and civilian escort roles. Then when they unleash him on goober knights he's much more clearheaded. In Destiny he tanked Destroy's beam head on because he was an insane berserker but in the movie you see him methodically disarming the knights with hit and run tactics before committing to full on attack.

By far the most entertaining character in CE.
Anonymous No.23392897 >>23393176
I just really like this episode.
Anonymous No.23392987 >>23393005 >>23393172
>>23392870
What a bullshit webm video. There absolutely no way a beam shield should be able to block that. Especially since we saw beam shields break from much weaker attacks in the Seed Freedom movie.

Destroy Gundam deserved better than that.
Anonymous No.23393005 >>23393574
>>23392987
>Destroy Gundam deserved better than-ACK!
Anonymous No.23393035 >>23393040
When is that prequel about the Strike Freedom theft by The Foundation is suppose to release?
Anonymous No.23393040
>>23393035
In 20 years based on precedent.
Anonymous No.23393172
>>23392987
Some extra material mentioned how that was a dumb thing to do and that Destiny got drained/damaged with that lunatic move.
Anonymous No.23393176
>>23392897
Man, those two Legend's blade dragoons were scary. He oneshots not just a Zamza-Zah but a freaking Destroy too.
Pity he didn't use them against SF.
Anonymous No.23393203 >>23393543 >>23393582
>>23392870
How can an anti ship sword penetrate phase shift armor?
Anonymous No.23393319 >>23393326
>>23392711
Athrun needed a bus ride home.
Kira needed the writer to change his mind, an asspull manga copout and a hospital visit.

Athrun won. Kamikazeing your mobile suit is an entirely tournament legal move.
Anonymous No.23393326 >>23393380
>>23393319
>coping
Anonymous No.23393333 >>23393372 >>23393533 >>23393571 >>23393763 >>23393781 >>23396267
>>23392711
>It was a draw, as both would have died without a third party rescuing them.

No. Several problems with your statement.

1. Athrun could have survived. He was not as badly injured as Kira, and had military survival training.

2. Kira took an explosion to the face and was on the verge of death. He definitely was going to die without outside help.

3. Athrun won the overall battle. But lost the mobile suit duel.

Athrun wanted to kill Kira. He didn't necessarily care about winning the mobile suit duel as long as he killed Kira in the end. If blowing up Aegis gets Athrun the victory, then Athrun will do it.

When asked by fans, Director Fukuda said that among the 3 pilots (Kira, Shinn, and Athrun), Athrun is the strongest pilot. Fukuda explained that Athrun is a trained soldier, has a killer instinct (goes for the kill) that Kira lacks, and does whatever it takes to win. Athrun is extremely crafty.

That's why Athrun beat Shura in the Seed Movie. Shura thought they were having some "honorable duel" with rules. Meanwhile Athrun was thinking of whatever method he could use to kill Shura. Even if it means using outside help like Cagalli remote control. Then Athrun goes straight for the cockpit with his beam saber. No mercy.

Meanwhile Kira fought Shura twice and lost miserably both times. Then Kira spared Orphee and didn't strike the cockpit directly.
Anonymous No.23393372 >>23393394
>>23393333
If the goal of the overall battle was to kill Kira, how would this count as a battle win?
Anonymous No.23393380
>>23393326
Coped so hard they wrote an entire manga bullshit to cover their rewrite tracks.
Anonymous No.23393394 >>23393467
>>23393372
>If the goal of the overall battle was to kill Kira, how would this count as a battle win?
Because without outside help that came later, it would be a battle win. Kira dies. Then Athrun eventually gets up and walks away.

Who could have anticipated that Lacus would somehow teleport to Earth and save Kira? She has magical powers.
Anonymous No.23393467 >>23393496
>>23393394
The same could be said for Athrun's win against Shura. Even then, isn't the only reason that Athrun survived owed to the fact that Cagali picked him up over anyone else that doesn't any ties to him?
Also, it was Reverend Malchio who picked Kira up after the battle and brought him to the PLANTs.
Anonymous No.23393469 >>23393500
>>23392870
Eyo ain't that the same guy in the jobber squad with stella? Didnt he get chopped in half?
Anonymous No.23393496
>>23393467
>The same could be said for Athrun's win against Shura.

Athrun did the same thing against Shura. Athrun focused less on winning the mobile suit duel in an "honorable way" like Shura wanted, and focused more on killing Shura by any means necessary.

Athrun doesn't pilot mobile suits for dueling. He pilots to *kill*. For Athrun, a mobile suit is just a tool to accomplish that goal.

If Cagalli wasn't available, then Athrun would have done some other cheeky strategy. Like switching to an AI controlled backpack (since Shura can't mind read AI) movement. Or using Mirage Colloid cloak in some surprising way to kill Shura. Since the Accords can't seem to detect humans under Mirage Colloid cloak.

I'm confident Athrun would have come up with something to kill Shura if Cagalli wasn't available to help him. He's always thinking about ways to kill his enemies. He thinks like a soldier according to Fukuda. So Athrun probably had several ideas in mind.

>Even then, isn't the only reason that Athrun survived owed to the fact that Cagali picked him up
I'm not sure Athrun needed her help to survive. He was unconscious. Not dead. Cagalli just happened to find him. Remember that Athrun has received special forces training and survival training.
Anonymous No.23393500 >>23393539 >>23393567
>>23393469
Yeah, Sting. He survived because Chaos got split at the torso instead of the cockpit, much like how Immortal Justice was cut in half with Shinn bailing out of it midair. There's a split second scene where Sting is being rescued in a boat by soldiers.

I always thought his death was tragic, precisely because nobody mourned for him and he didn't even get to finish his last sentence. At that point Shinn knew Extended are tortured so him dispatching him uneventfully and mercilessly was grim. Then again he probably didn't even know he was in that Destroy.

Surviving all this only to get repurposed and stuffed into a coffin that is the Destroy Gundam is just sad.
Anonymous No.23393533 >>23393571
>>23393333
>Shura thought they were having some "honorable duel" with rules.
Says the guy using mindreading to win. Unless he's one of those types that thinks a fight is only fair when he's winning.
Anonymous No.23393539 >>23393547 >>23393583
>>23393500
If Seed Destiny was a better written series, Sting probably could have been a great character. Imagine starting out with your brother, sister, and your father figure Neo. Thinking you are the future and being so happy. Then gradually losing each of them one by one. Each loss making you more resentful and bitter. Gradually it's just you and Neo. Then finally being the last one standing. So you swear revenge and get into Destroy Gundam to take how everyone who has wronged you and hour family. Sting could have been such a great character if this series had better writers.
Anonymous No.23393543
>>23393203
At max output, the beam covers the tip too
Anonymous No.23393547
>>23393539
This whole series couldve been better if they didn't throw a dozen characters in the later half the series. Sting and his group besides stella got thrown under the bus HARD. They way how they were written was like the writers rushing to get rid of dead weight.
Anonymous No.23393553
>>23392795
I mean Infinite Justice 2 did Gaia's Photon Edge against Shura
Anonymous No.23393556
>>23390574
Imagine if Kira said three days and three nights with Lacus to Orphee instead of saying he has Lacus's love.
Anonymous No.23393561
>>23382613
There's Setsuna, but he's a cheating manwhore.
Anonymous No.23393567
>>23393500
>He survived because Chaos got split at the torso instead of the cockpit
> Shows a whole ass suit blowing up after being sliced.

Gundam Seed pilots make suicide bombers look like chumps bro. Out here brushing off explosions like they're bruises.
Anonymous No.23393571
>>23393333
>2. Kira took an explosion to the face and was on the verge of death. He definitely was going to die without outside help.
Athrun was out of his MS right before it exploded, Kira was still in an MS with phase shift and a safety shutter. Athrun was definitely in the worse position, especially as he had to be picked up by Orb while the Archangel would have gotten to Kira if Lowe hadn't.
>3. Athrun won the overall battle. But lost the mobile suit duel.
Athrun had two other Gundams backing him up and was up against a Strike that only had a beam saber and shield, and still had to settle for a draw - if you can call it that, because ZAFT lost Aegis, and the Buster and Dearka were captured by the EA.
>When asked by fans, Director Fukuda said that among the 3 pilots (Kira, Shinn, and Athrun), Athrun is the strongest pilot. Fukuda explained that Athrun is a trained soldier, has a killer instinct (goes for the kill) that Kira lacks, and does whatever it takes to win. Athrun is extremely crafty.
It can go either way. He also says that if the three fought in the same mobile suits, Kira would win, and he had Durandal boast that nobody could match Kira in a mobile suit battle and Athrun didn't disagree, but then he has Shura in the movie boasting that Athrun is the strongest pilot.
>Meanwhile Kira fought Shura twice and lost miserably both times.
Kira survived about 20 minutes against the Black Knights' ambush, and did as well as anybody could against Orphee, Shura, and three Ziggurats hitting him at once from every angle. Athrun faced Shura alone. It's not really comparable.

>>23393533
Shura does seem to be the kind of person who prefers a fair fight. Against Rising Freedom, he made a point to join it on the ground to fight after it was unable to fly, and he only uses his machine's needle launching shit when it's clear he's already won. His mindreading is just a natural ability of his, it's no more cheating than Athrun going into SEED mode.
Anonymous No.23393574 >>23393581 >>23393586 >>23395437
>>23392538
>>23392870
>>23393005
Very weird. Kira does the same melee move Shinn does. Freedom pulls out its beam saber and Kira goes in for a close range attack. But Destroy Gundam raises its arm, and blocks with a beam shield. Then smacks Freedom Gundam away. Makes Freedom's melee attack look so pathetic. So why the heck wasn't this used against Destiny Gundam? We know it's sword can't break beam shields. Yet all the Destroy Gundams stood there like idiots during the Battle of Heaven's Base.
Anonymous No.23393576
>>23382491
I wanna see how Athrun would deal with the Black Knights by himself or with Hilda.
Anonymous No.23393581 >>23393591
>>23393574
>We know it's sword can't break beam shields.
That only happened afterwards though.

The giant anti-ship sword being unable to break beam shields just makes it completely useless as a melee weapon compared to a standard beam saber. I guess you can the SF/IJ just have stronger shields than the Destroy's.
Anonymous No.23393582
>>23393203
Anonymous No.23393583
>>23393539
What you describe is basically what happens, only they keep blanking his memories and reconditioning him again and again to the point where the guy who looks up to Neo, spends time with Auel, and worries about Stella, is reduced to an insane, raving lunatic, not much better than the old biological CPUs.
Anonymous No.23393586 >>23393599
>>23393574
Only Stella knew how to pilot this piece of shit. Either that or her prototype Destroy was feature complete and the latter batches got pushed into service before being properly assembled.
Anonymous No.23393591 >>23393620 >>23393641 >>23393652 >>23393684 >>23394919
>>23393581
>The giant anti-ship sword being unable to break beam shields just makes it completely useless as a melee weapon compared to a standard beam saber.

No it doesn't. Where does this idea that anti-ship swords must more powerful than standard beam sabers come from? Sword Strike Gundam could not cut through Aegis Gundams shield. Sword Strike also could not cut through Calamity Gundam's shield. Anti-ship swords give you extended RANGE. Not more power.
Anonymous No.23393599 >>23393611
>>23393586
Diff anon here.

I totally forgot Destroy has g-panzer like Forbidden Gundam.

Now that I think about it that makes more annoyed.

Seed Freedom made Destroy super weak.
Anonymous No.23393611 >>23394926
>>23393599
>Seed Freedom made Destroy super weak
At least it took couple of hits from RF/IJ tag team.

Look at this chump getting range melee'd by Lazer Barrel THROUGH his shield https://youtu.be/gyUQna_zMcU?t=62
Anonymous No.23393620
>>23393591
They're also useful underwater (with beam turned off), which is how Strike used it.
Anonymous No.23393641 >>23393647 >>23393686
>>23393591
>No it doesn't. Where does this idea that anti-ship swords must more powerful than standard beam sabers come from?

Because otherwise it's just more expensive for barely any benefit (greater weight, which results in less effective swordsmanship, can be broken, with the only advantage being some minimal extra range for the two handed version).
Anonymous No.23393647 >>23393686 >>23393689
>>23393641
Also, note it's basically how all games balance it, because if it doesn't have extra power compared to a beam saber, it's just trash that no one in their right mind would use.

Not trying to say game balance is accurate to the series, but in this case without that it is something useless that shouldn't exist unless you're focused on underwater equipment.
Anonymous No.23393652 >>23393708
>>23393591
>Anti-ship swords give you extended RANGE
That's fucking stupid. Just make a longer beam saber. We know the technology exists since Destiny's boomerangs have extendable length and the meteor can either have beam sabers or use the sabers as beam cannons.. The whole point is that the extra weight of the ASS gives it more power or at least it's supposed to. When Shinn's fighting fodder the sword works right but when he's fighting Kira and Athrun it's shit. There's no point in having a physical sword with a beam edge is the physical part only provides length.
Anonymous No.23393684
>>23393591
From them being more powerful than standard beam sabers. That's why Arondight can cleave straight through a Destroy Gundam or Zamza-Zah. That's why it was only ever physically stopped by Kira doing an insane maneuver using two beam shields and his MS's phase-shifted hands, or Athrun's shield that combined an anti-beam shield with an actual beam shield.
>Sword Strike
Used a laser-edged anti-ship sword instead of the beam-edged Arondight that Destiny would later have, and only came up short against some of the best MS that existed. We also see it cleave straight through Strike Dagger defenses anyways.
Anonymous No.23393686 >>23393696
>>23393647
>>23393641
>Because otherwise it's just more expensive for barely any benefit

It never was about benefits. The Sword Strike was designed to fight inside Colonies, Cities, and/or areas with large populations and buildings or debris. This was to minimize collateral damage from heavy beam weapons. So the focus was on close combat and mobility.
Anonymous No.23393689
>>23393647
I loved Destiny and it's super long range in Gundam Musou 2. Really handy for that type of game.

Also on a somewhat related note, Another Century's Episode R (shit as that game is) is the only game that has Destiny use his boomerangs as beam sabers like he used them against Athrun.
Anonymous No.23393696 >>23393697 >>23393712
>>23393686
Headcanon.
Anonymous No.23393697 >>23393736
>>23393696
Read databooks. Oh wait you can't read. I forgot.
Anonymous No.23393704 >>23393707
What's the point of anti-ship swords? They look cool. That's literally it. STOP using your brain.
Anonymous No.23393707
>>23393704
>They look cool.
I think that's a perfect description for just about everything related to the Cosmic Era.
Anonymous No.23393708 >>23393776
>>23393652
>There's no point in having a physical sword
>Length doesn't matter.
Screw off with that nonsense.
Anonymous No.23393712 >>23393736
>>23393696
Have you forgotten when Kira used Sword Strike? Inside a Colony twice and inside a military base.
Anonymous No.23393736 >>23393778
>>23393697
Okay. Looked through Great Mechanics 14, MS Bible 06, Dengeki Data Collection 17, Mobile Suit Textbook CE 70-75, didn't find it.

>>23393712
Genuinely what are you talking about?
Anonymous No.23393763
>>23393333
>Athrun could have survived. He was not as badly injured as Kira, and had military survival training.

Athrun was unconscious with the tide coming in and didn't wake up until hours later when Orb had given him medical treatment. If Cagalli's group hadn't found him he'd have died.
Anonymous No.23393776 >>23394567
>>23393708
I didn't say that length doesn't matter. I said if all the physical blade was for was length, then a longer beam saber would do the same thing. You don't need a physical blade if all it adds is length.
Anonymous No.23393778
>>23393736
Glad I did look at these. Here's a page from SEED OFFICIAL FILE Mecha Hen volume 1 that explicitly says it's intended to be used to charge into enemy fleets and MS. Does say it was chosen at Heliopolis and Artemis to reduce collateral damage - but nothing about it being 'designed' for that.
Anonymous No.23393781 >>23393791 >>23393792 >>23396257
>>23393333
>this cope again
No one listens to Fukuda. Everyone knows and accepts Kira is the strongest pilot of the three and has the best feats.
Anyways, Kira has never lost a battle. The only MC to do so.
Anonymous No.23393791 >>23394596
>>23393781
>Everyone knows and accepts Kira is the strongest pilot of the three and has the best feats.
Correct.
>The production staff also regard him as the strongest pilot in the world of SEED , and Sunrise's setting production department has stated that "If Kira, Athrun, and Shin were to fight in the same mobile suit, Kira would be the strongest," and in a conversation with the author of the spin-off, Morita Shigeru, who is in charge of the script and settings, said, "There can be no pilot stronger than Kira (in the world of SEED)."
>In "Neumann's Logbook," a bonus novel for "FREEDOM" written by Goto Rio, Kira is said to be the strongest pilot in the world, and he seems to have a high reputation.

>Anyways, Kira has never lost a battle.
Uhhh you lost me. Shinn did legitimately defeat him during Angel Down, even if it was helped by a myriad of external factors.
Anonymous No.23393792 >>23399041
>>23393781
Anonymous No.23393820 >>23393847
Kira is an overrated pilot. His embarrassing performance in Strike Rouge is all you need to see. It's somehow even worse with the Ootori reanimation.
Both Freedom and Strike Freedom do all the work for you. Multi lock-on full burst beamspam is literally a button press. Kira never does anything other than look cool as the target acquired animation reflects on his helmet.

Athrun performing the exact same movements with Strike Freedom in the movie proves this. The same DRAGOON deployment followed by railgun shot that Kira does.
Anonymous No.23393847 >>23394348
>>23393820
We already went over this last thread. The Strike Rouge went up against mass produced grunts that were only slightly inferior to Freedom or Justice and the only damage it suffered was losing an arm from blocking a blast that blew through its shield, even though he was still fighting to disable instead of kill.

>Athrun performing the exact same movements with Strike Freedom in the movie proves this.
He does not. His piloting style is completely different to where it was that instead of the mindreading that clued Shura in that it was Athrun. His movements were stilted, as was his control of the Dragoons.
Anonymous No.23393896 >>23393901 >>23393912 >>23393914 >>23394795
I probably like SEED more than anyone on /m/. I live breath and sleep SEED, yet I hate that movie. Why is this.
Anonymous No.23393901 >>23393907
>>23393896
You took it seriously.
Anonymous No.23393902 >>23393937
Can someone explain to me exactly what the fuck the "Destiny Plan" was? The Chairman wanted to remove desire from human emotions? Sounds a little silly innit
Anonymous No.23393907 >>23393914 >>23393949
>>23393901
The fan service in the movie made a mockery of series. I like fan service as much as the next guy, but it felt beneath them to do something like that.
Anonymous No.23393912 >>23393927 >>23393929 >>23393944
>>23393896
Probably because nothing in it actually matters. Literally nothing has changed and you might as well just not bother after watching Destiny.
The absolute gall that they want to do a fucking midquel of all things...
Anonymous No.23393914 >>23393918 >>23393963
>>23393896
Why exactly did you hate it?
>>23393907
What do you mean by fan service in this case?
Anonymous No.23393918 >>23393948
>>23393914
Fan service means lewd stuff. I thought that was universally known.
Anonymous No.23393927 >>23393944 >>23393969
>>23393912
I think the new Seed movie will bomb. This movie was successful since people missed Seed, but after watching the movie they now got their Seed fix.
Anonymous No.23393929
>>23393912
>...
gb2leddit
Anonymous No.23393935
I want a 3rd season but preferably one that focuses on new characters.
1st season of SEED = 0079
2nd season of SEED = Zeta
3rd season of SEED = ZZ
Anonymous No.23393937
>>23393902
Durandal's version = they run a detailed analysis of your genes and determine exactly what position you should hold in life, and you hold that position whether you like it or not.
>The Chairman wanted to remove desire from human emotions?
He viewed aspirations as the source of human conflict, and the Destiny Plan would address them by locking you in your place, in theory. You won't ever stress out about losing your job or trying to get a promotion because you're genetically destined to be middle management.
Anonymous No.23393944 >>23393963
>>23393912
We get it, you don't like SEED

>>23393927
Not likely
Anonymous No.23393948
>>23393918
>Fan service means lewd stuff
It could also mean pleasing fans just for the sake of it, like for example referencing something that fans know without any actual justification for it. The expression is not exclusive to TnA.
Anonymous No.23393949
>>23393907
>The fan service in the movie made a mockery of series
Out of all Gundams you say this about the one that's exclusively made out of fanservice kek
Anonymous No.23393963 >>23393966 >>23394000 >>23394033
>>23393914
>Why exactly did you hate it?
The lewd fanserivce is beneath them. SEED is serious business to me. Also, don't like how they made everyone except Kira job to the villains (some of which have 0 combat experience). Shinn is a seasoned veteran yet looked hopeless at times. It's as if this movie took every jesus stereotype about Kira and made it into reality. Where he's jesus and everyone is damsels in distress.
>>23393944
>Not likely
This movie made me realize I'm just tired of the main characters. I've rewatched SEED too many times, I knew what the characters were going to say to each other before they said it. Most of them have already been through one or more character arcs, it's time for fresh blood. If we get a 3rd season I want new characters and only a small amount of cameos from the old characters. Another issue is, it's hard to imagine them ever losing, they collectively have years worth of battle experience so any new villain they struggle against ruins my suspension of disblief. You have no business being able to fight on par with these seasoned veterans.
Anonymous No.23393966 >>23394012 >>23394039
>>23393963
>Also, don't like how they made everyone except Kira job to the villains (some of which have 0 combat experience).
You literally didn't watch the movie.
Anonymous No.23393969 >>23393976 >>23393981 >>23393983 >>23393991
>>23393927
>I think the new Seed movie will bomb.
I don't think SEED anything is capable of bombing anymore. SEED is huge in Japan and it's now in that goldilocks zone of nostalgia. I'm not saying it's gonna get milked UC style but it has the potential to restart the frenzy it once had. Did you see the Japanese hype and percentage of players for the Steam port of that one Destiny vita game? It's pretty telling https://gamalytic.com/game/1857740
You NEVER see those Japanese numbers on any other game.

Also there's a big controversial elephant in the room when it comes to SEED. China. Their middle class now has money to spend on shit like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr4IAtgKyJM and they ALL love SEED. Try navigating through GSD tag on pixiv or artstation. Quite literally all CGI artwork is made by Chinese artists and freelancers.
Anonymous No.23393976 >>23393991
>>23393969
It would be very funny if SEED Freedom Zero was able to outdo Hathaway 2. At that point, just put UC on ice and go all in on CE.
Anonymous No.23393981
>>23393969
Is Gquuuuuuuux or Witch doing good?
Anonymous No.23393983 >>23393986 >>23394311
>>23393969
SEED is pretty much the persona 3 of gundam. It saved the franchise and everyone and there mother knows about this show. It's almost impossible for anything in that part of the franchise to fail.
Anonymous No.23393986
>>23393983
At least previous Gundam are popular while most people don't give a fuck about the first two Persona games compared to the later ones.
Anonymous No.23393991 >>23394018 >>23394022
>>23393969
Seed seems to be following in the trajectory of the Matrix movies. Where they created an amazing 1st release, but it has gotten progressively worse with each new release.
>>23393976
>SEED Freedom Zero
>A prequel to a movie.
This is really-really dumb and shouldn't be encouraged by fans especially if you liked the movie. They didn't expect the Freedom movie to be that successful so now they're rushing to milk it. Whatever they make won't come from the heart, it will be made for profit. Instead you should want them to take their time on it and let a new story happen naturally. Masterpieces are born, not created.
Anonymous No.23393996 >>23393998 >>23394040
What is a plot for a 3rd season of Seed?
Anonymous No.23393998 >>23393999
>>23393996
Like if anons here were to come up with one?
Anonymous No.23393999 >>23394024
>>23393998
yes
Anonymous No.23394000 >>23394012 >>23394039 >>23394176 >>23394311
>>23393963
>Shinn is a seasoned veteran yet looked hopeless at times
He's literally the only one that performed flawlessly.

IJ loses an arm and needs his wife to remote control his suit to trick the opponent into a surprise head beam meme attack.
SF just gets mutilated in a humiliation ritual. Its wings clipped, its railguns castrated, its torso cannon slashed, even his DRAGOONS get shot down.
Destiny though? Shinn's edgelord PTSD is so strong it counter brain rapes the Black Knights and he slaughters them with Shadow Clone Jutsu. Even saves his girlfriend mid battle to redeem him almost palming her in series finale. If you like Shinn you have NOTHING to complain about in this movie lol

>jesus stereotype about Kira and made it into reality. Where he's jesus and everyone is damsels in distress.
Kira gets to be a damsel in distress in this movie TWICE. Athrun saves his ass TWO TIMES. IN THE EXACT SAME MANNER. FROM THE SAME ENEMY. USING THE SAME ATTACK. Anon is right, you didn't even watch this shit. You somehow got every complaint inverted.
Anonymous No.23394012 >>23394039
>>23393966
>>23394000
It's bait, you morons.
Anonymous No.23394018
>>23393991
It took 20 years to shit this out nigga I am NOT waiting another decade. Gimme the slop. Give me that greasy fast feast for pigs. I want more Rising Freedom and Immortal Justice. Let these battery boys shine.
Anonymous No.23394022
>>23393991
reddit post
Anonymous No.23394024 >>23394030 >>23394049
>>23393999
Well, I think I'd set it some years after Freedom. Make it about the Eurasian Federation falling apart and giving way for a new major power to emerge, and then that new power entering into conflict with the Alliance (who will be the protagonists) - Compass is still around and bails the MC out, but they're stretched too thin to stop wider conflicts from breaking out.
Anonymous No.23394030
>>23394024
CE desperately needs Earth alliance characters. Preferably naturals too.
Anonymous No.23394033
>>23393963
>The lewd fanserivce is beneath them
If you're talking about Lacus' pilot suit, I'll just remind you that this is not the first time she wears a sexy outfit and she has shown cleavage before.
Anonymous No.23394039 >>23394047 >>23394058
>>23393966
>>23394000
>>23394012
>it's bait, you morons
You're the moron. One of the subplots of the movie is Kira putting the weight of the world on his shoulders and trying to fight solo since everyone is too weak to help him
https://youtu.be/XFyW6Ho4HX4?t=64

Fuck all of you for wasting 10 minutes of my day tracking down this clip. It's you guys who haven't watched the fucking movie. And again I will repeat myself, it's shit like this that made me not like the movie because it's treating Shinn and Athrun like scrubs. They are seasoned war veterans and should be treated as such.
Anonymous No.23394040 >>23394049 >>23394300
>>23393996
>Kira & Lacus offspring
>Athrun & Cagalli offspring
>Mu & Murrue offspring (this will be the Char clone character)
>Shinn & Luna offspring
>+new characters
It would literally print money.
Anonymous No.23394047 >>23394052 >>23394104
>>23394039
He says that mid-meltdown and it's both immediately pointed out to be untrue and demonstrated to be untrue
You have lost
Anonymous No.23394049 >>23394054 >>23394069 >>23394079 >>23396244
>>23394024
>>23394040
I'm so sick of the main characters and their overpowered Gundams. Why not make it about Naturals piloting normal mobiles suits and relying on skill and hardwork. An MS 08th Team style Gundam set in the CE setting.
Anonymous No.23394052 >>23394057 >>23394058
>>23394047
>untrue and demonstrated to be untrue
Shinn gets beaten up while trying to break up the fight. They turned him into a comedy relief character. It's fucking disgraceful what they did to him. Did his voice actor fuck the director's daughter or something.
Anonymous No.23394054
>>23394049
Because of SEED's popular because of the characters. People love Kira and Lacus. Even Destiny seemed to suffer as most people mainly watched the show just to see the old cast.
Anonymous No.23394057 >>23394104
>>23394052
Shinn solos the entire Black Knight Squad later without getting hit once
Enough with these psychotic delusions of yours
Anonymous No.23394058 >>23394104
>>23394039
Dude, Kira was crashing out in that scene because he thought he got cuckolded in the worst way imaginable. Not only is he having a breakdown but he's also getting beat up by Athrun for crying and making a scene. You're not supposed to agree with him there because nobody else does either. How in the fuck did you interpret that scene to be about him being Jesus? He literally got mauled for being so wrong lmao. It was cathartic. Some SRWZ-tier therapeutic shit.

>>23394052
The entire scene is comedic. That's where they tell Shinn (and the audience) that they're resolving the situation in their own way and not to interfere with their autism.
Anonymous No.23394069 >>23394079 >>23395437
>>23394049
they tried that with stargazer and people still hated it, you're asking them to make the team characters EVEN WEAKER and people will start to love it?
Anonymous No.23394079 >>23394086 >>23394107
>>23394049
I remember one anon describing how Gundam SEED is about Coordinators the same way X-men is about mutants. Take it or leave it.

But yes, I agree with you. CE is big and varied enough to have other stories in it, like UC. I'd love to see more grunts and their stories. Focusing on Kira and friends exclusively will make the setting feel small but moving on from them risks alienating the gigantic install base. So it's a tricky situation.

Ideally they'd find the way to introduce more characters and conflicts while relegating the main cast as important but supporting characters. Or they could just milk them until they're dry, that's the safest and most financially optimal decision. SEED Freedom is set only 1 year after Destiny. These guys are still young. Shinn and Luna are still underage kids lmao

>>23394069
Eh? Isn't Stargazer almost unanimously loved?
Anonymous No.23394084 >>23394088 >>23394155 >>23394824
I've been shilling SEED on /a/ for years. It's my favorite Gundam but I hate this movie. Mind you, I hadn't seen SEED in like 10 years so don't really remember the organizations/history when I watched it.

>Villains
They reminded me of the filler villains you would see in those shitty DBZ movies. They just don't feel like they actually existed in the world prior to the movie, maybe the sequel movie will do a better job of making them feel real. What were they doing the entire time while the world was at war? How are they fighting on par with the protagonist if they never fought in a real war? Where did they magically get the tech/resources to build powerful mobile suits under the watch of the Earth/Zaft/Orb? An easy solution for all of this would just make them ex-Zaft or ex-Orb militia or some shit and have them steal some Gundams at the start of the movie.

>Mind control
This was an awful concept. Them mind controlling characters and making Kira think he was getting cucked just felt like cheap/lazy storytelling. Mind control has never worked in storytelling and is just an asspull plotdevice since it gives the writer godlike powers to create whatever melodrama they want. Instead they should have written an actual romantic rivalry preferably not with Kira-Lacus because their relationship was too established for us to believe there could be any conflict.

>Shinn
They continued the trend of ruining his character. He became a comedy relief character.

>Fanservice
Said this earlier, I'm a straight male and like lewd shit, but it's beneath Gundam Seed.

>Protagonist
I'm sick of these guys. They are fully realized characters. We know what they'll say and do in each situation. They also have too much plot armor/experience so it ruins my suspension of disbelief when they fight noobs.

>Final battle
It looked like they flirted with the super robot genre. This fight did not look like Gundam Seed and instead looked like a cheesy video game final boss battle from a JRPG.
Anonymous No.23394086 >>23394090 >>23394107
>>23394079
>Eh? Isn't Stargazer almost unanimously loved?
It's basically forgotten by the larger fanbase, even among the seed fans. like, seed fans will harp on fukada apparently ignoring or rejecting astray, but nobody asks for a stargazer continuation or even what fukada thinks about it
Anonymous No.23394088 >>23394104 >>23394107 >>23394111
>>23394084
>They continued the trend of ruining his character. He became a comedy relief character.
Oh go fuck yourself with this bait already.
Anonymous No.23394090 >>23394093 >>23394158
>>23394086
Who gives a fuck about Fukuda's opinion on Stargazer? It was good because he wasn't involved.
Anonymous No.23394093 >>23394094
>>23394090
Who gives a fuck about Stargazer in the first place?
Anonymous No.23394094 >>23394097
>>23394093
Me nigga.
Anonymous No.23394097 >>23394099
>>23394094
Well, that's nice then. What did you like about it?
Anonymous No.23394099 >>23394142
>>23394097
Somber tone and the most beautiful track in the entire franchise https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjSImUBIxXE
Anonymous No.23394104 >>23394111 >>23394116 >>23394117
>>23394057
>>23394047
>>23394058
>>23394088
Literally 2 minutes into the movie Kira is telling Shinn to go guard a government building and stay out of the combat zone. Shinn has been demoted from protagonist to a grunt that Kira doesn't fully trust. This would be like us watching 50 episodes of Kamille being the protagonist in Zeta, then in ZZ Gundam we see Amuro telling him "sorry kid you're not competent enough so sit back and let the adults handle this". If they disrespected Kamille like that Zeta fans would be seething, so why aren't SEED Destiny fans seething.
Anonymous No.23394107 >>23394136 >>23394142
>>23394079
>Eh? Isn't Stargazer almost unanimously loved?
You'd be surprised. Japan really does not care for it at all.

>>23394086
Astray itself has become very controversial too. Again, in Japan.
I think western fans cling to both moreso out of contrarianism than for their inherent qualities, honestly.

>>23394088
Seconding this.
Anonymous No.23394111 >>23394124
>>23394104
Thirding >>23394088
No point arguing about the movie with somebody who hasn't seen it
Anonymous No.23394115 >>23394124
Anonymous No.23394116 >>23394124
>>23394104
Didn't read your shit of a post. But thanks for posting that sexy Justice. What an elegant face.
Anonymous No.23394117 >>23394121
>>23394104
I thought that was because Kira was suffering from a savior complex where he thinks he has to do everything himself.
Anonymous No.23394121
>>23394117
To say nothing of the fact that defending the government facilities is not some unimportant grunt job
Anonymous No.23394124
>>23394111
>>23394115
>>23394116
Alright, enjoy your dead thread. If you guys are just going to cry "bait" and not engage in a real discussion I'm out.
Anonymous No.23394129
So long, gay faggot.
Anonymous No.23394136 >>23394177 >>23394194
>>23394107
>Japan really does not care for it at all.
How come?
Anonymous No.23394142
>>23394107
>I think western fans cling to both moreso out of contrarianism than for their inherent qualities, honestly.
That's the impression I always got too. It hardly ever gets brought up as a matter of discussion in and of itself.
>>23394099
I agree the atmosphere was nice. Still, it felt...incomplete, somehow.
Anonymous No.23394155 >>23394161 >>23394163
>>23394084
>I hadn't seen SEED in like 10 years so don't really remember the organizations/history when I watched it.
Rewatching Seed and Destiny will not answer any of your questions about the villain buildup. None of the movie was foreshadowed anywhere, it's quite literally "here's a new villain nation"
Anonymous No.23394158
>>23394090
Then CE was never for you in the first place because 51% of the entire appeal of Seed was Fukuda-isms and his wife's writing. The other 49% is Astray, which is why Fukada keeps getting asked about Astray.
Anonymous No.23394161
>>23394155
He's a troll.
Anonymous No.23394163
>>23394155
Thatโ€™s why itโ€™s easy to ignore Freedom is a thing.
Anonymous No.23394176 >>23394205
>>23394000
>If you like Shinn you have NOTHING to complain about in this movie lol
Not a big complaint, but I would have liked that rematch against Shura.
Anonymous No.23394177
>>23394136
It's a victim of its length. It's not bad, just lacking. The only real criticism I've found otherwise was that it's hard to reconcile Logos going after DSSD with Destiny.
Anonymous No.23394181
Honestly thin shinns character would've been better if he went the snaking Skywalker route and was fully corrupted by his trauma and done some very malicious actions.
Anonymous No.23394194
>>23394136
Segment of the Gundam franchise seem to have their specific niche of fans. E.g., fans of UC may not necessarily flock to every AU. Asking why CE doesn't have it's own 08th MS Team is sort of like asking why the G Gundam universe doesn't have its own gritty war drama set in the period of intense global war before the Gundam Fight tournament was implemented to replace conventional war.

The answer is.. why bother? Why CE? It kinda clashes with the existing style of stories already set in that world. You can argue that CE is loosely based on the UC OYW as a template and that Seed is a modern retelling of MSG up to a certain point, but the people who enjoy the CE setting in general typically don't enjoy it because it mimics UC, but for other reasons.

How about Stargazer? It's not the same as 08th MS Team, but it leans more in that direction than Seed and Destiny did. You have a special MS team deployed to tackle specific missions. Sure, they have Gundams, but they're last generation models with minor upgrades that are really only a step or two above some-but-not-all grunts, still a hundred stair-climbs below the likes of Destiny and Strike Freedom. The pilots themselves are just naturals, maybe the best of their academy class, but not medically enhanced druggies. Sounds a whole lot like the 08th MS Team, who are not aces but with hard work and a bit of luck they tend to keep winning against the average zeek forces they come across. They have Gundams, but they're janky and don't perform at the level of the famed RX-78-2.

The problem is that the audience doesn't like it. The people who thought the genetic engineering lore in CE is cool, don't like the science-theme because it's science-y. They like it because it's a convenient excuse for the MC to be a special boy. Stargazer's scientific backdrop of the title Gundam being used for deep space exploration with an AI? The same 12-15 year old audience that is locked on Seed and Destiny don't care about that.
Anonymous No.23394205 >>23394214
>>23394176
That was a sword duel, who cares. It's Kira that never got a proper rematch against Shura because Shura needle'd the poor Rising Freedom.
The guy that split Shinn's Immortal Justice in half got the Arondight shoved in his face.
Anonymous No.23394214 >>23394225
>>23394205
>That was a sword duel, who cares.
I do.
>It's Kira that never got a proper rematch against Shura because Shura needle'd the poor Rising Freedom
That's true. If only we could kill him twice...
Anonymous No.23394225
>>23394214
At least Athrun gored him.
Anonymous No.23394300 >>23394315
>>23394040
Yeah because showcasing the kids of the previous generation are always a sure fire hit for a sequel.
>sees Boruto
Nevermind.
Anonymous No.23394311 >>23394317
>>23393983
So what's the Persona 5 of Gundam?

>>23394000
Shinn does get treated as comic relief sidekick in the first half of Seed Freedom, but even then he's treated quite endearingly compared to whatever the fuck they did with him in Seed Destiny after Angel Down.
Anonymous No.23394315
>>23394300
I remember when Yashahime came out even though Sesshomaru's daughters were the main characters it was Moroha, Inuyasha and Kagome's daughter, that most people liked.
Anonymous No.23394317
>>23394311
>So what's the Persona 5 of Gundam?
NTA but Unicorn.
Anonymous No.23394348 >>23394563 >>23394596 >>23394622
>>23393847
>His movements were stilted, as was his control of the Dragoons.

Wrong. In many ways, Athrun is a better pilot of SF than Kira.

Athrun was able to use feints, distractions, and combos on Shura. Like forcing him into position with Dragoons, forcing him to activate FT armor and staying in one spot to absorb a blast, then slamming him with railguns. In addition, Athrun survived the entire battle without any damage to Strike Freedom.

Meanwhile both times Kira fought Shura, Kira suffered damage to Freedom. The first time had Rising Freedom, nearly destroyed and covered in needles. The 2nd time, Kira was getting pressed back hard and lost some of his weapons.

Athrun is a better pilot. Just like Fukuda directly said in an interview.
Anonymous No.23394563 >>23394574 >>23395400 >>23395437 >>23395447
>>23394348
>Meanwhile both times Kira fought Shura
+the rest of Foundation's forces
+Orphee and the Ziggurats
Athrun couldn't even beat Shura solo without losing an arm off his machine, Kira slaughtered the Cal-re.a 1-on-1 almost as hard as he slaughtered the Savior.
Anonymous No.23394567 >>23394837
>>23393776
>just make a longer beam saber!

They DID. It's called an Anti-ship Sword.

>You don't need a physical blade if all it adds is length.

Did you even watch the show? Shields can still block Anti-ship swords. Why are you whining about this 20 years later?
Anonymous No.23394574 >>23394613
>>23394563
>+the rest of Foundation's forces
Oh wow. You have a shit memory. Kira fought Shura for a 2nd round before Orphee showed up. Kira was still losing in the solo 1v1. Go rewatch the movie grandpa.
Anonymous No.23394596 >>23394609
>>23394348
See >>23393791
Anonymous No.23394609 >>23394619 >>23394622
>>23394596
Director Fukuda >>>>>>> more authority than >>>>>>>> his staff underlings.

Even the Super Robot Wars staff have changed their minds and agreed with Fukuda now.

Sorry you lose.
Anonymous No.23394613
>>23394574
>completely unrelated nonsense
I was talking about the ambush earlier in the movie, where Kira fought them off for 20 minutes alone.
>Kira was still losing in the solo 1v1
He lost a beam rifle. Athrun lost a whole arm. Did you watch it?
Anonymous No.23394619 >>23395383
>>23394609
>Director Fukuda
Says that they're strongest in the order of Kira > Athrun > Shinn
You lose
Anonymous No.23394622 >>23394626 >>23394640 >>23394645
>>23394348
>Just like Fukuda directly said in an interview.
Post it.

>>23394609
>Even the Super Robot Wars staff have changed their minds and agreed with Fukuda now.
Post it.
Anonymous No.23394626 >>23394633 >>23394636 >>23394641
>>23394622
>Post it.
It's literally in the movie you dummy.
Anonymous No.23394633 >>23394641
>>23394626
Don't yell at him anon. He didn't watch the Directors Cut 4K Remastered version of the movie. They only watched the streaming version. So they don't know about the new scenes of Athrun being said to be strongest pilot.
Anonymous No.23394636
>>23394626
Post the interviews. Or are you that same pathetic bastard who thought MSF's EMP was a Cyclops system because "somebody" "somewhere" posted it?
Anonymous No.23394640 >>23394729
>>23394622
I assume they're talking about the fact that most of Destiny's appearances take place after the show so everything happened exactly how it did in canon and in its most recent appearance in the mobile game DD the plot is played straight with everyone siding with Kira over Shinn, though that's because the game covered OG SEED so everyone's already fought alongside Kira.
Anonymous No.23394641 >>23394660
>>23394626
>>23394633
Why are you replying to yourself
Anonymous No.23394645 >>23394648 >>23394669 >>23394676 >>23394691 >>23395332 >>23395383
>>23394622
>Post it.
Yawn. This old tactic. People like you always yell about sources when you lose the argument.

You can thank Japanese fans for providing a partial transcript of the Fukuda interview. Athrun is better.

You lose.

You can apologize now and admit you are wrong.

I'll also accept your lack of response as a concession.
Anonymous No.23394648 >>23394662 >>23394676 >>23395383
>>23394645
Fukuda doesnt know what hes talking about. I dont care about his opinion at all
Anonymous No.23394660 >>23394676
>>23394641
The characters literally say Athrun is the best pilot in the Directors Cut version of the movie. You don't really have any argument left here anon. Just drop the topic and move on.
Anonymous No.23394662 >>23394676 >>23394680
>>23394648
>Asks for quote
>Receives quote
>That doesn't count
Why are you like this?
Anonymous No.23394669 >>23394687 >>23394697
>>23394645
>You can thank Japanese fans for providing a partial transcript of the Fukuda interview. Athrun is better.
A partial transcript? That 'interview' is entirely online on Gundam.info. In fact, I can do you one better than your fake translation.
https://www.gundam.info/news/event/01_14473.html
>Q. In the show, Athrun was using the Strike Freedom Gundam, but I thought it was a machine that only Kira could handle due to his processing capabilities. Why was Athrun able to use it?
>Director Fukuda: Thatโ€™s simply because Athrun is amazing. Kira may be a special Coordinator, but he was no match for Athrun โ€” thatโ€™s what it means (laughs).

It was a joke answer, and you took it as a statement of fact. You really are that same guy, lmao
Anonymous No.23394676
>>23394645
>>23394648
>>23394660
>>23394662
How tilted are you?
Anonymous No.23394680 >>23394691
>>23394662

This is why no one bothers to give sources anymore in Seed threads.

It's same pattern. It's been going on for decades now.

1. Get into argument.

2. Mentions databook or staff member interview proving argument correct.

3. Anon demands source.

Option 4a. Source is provided. Anon calls source shit and disregards source.

Option 4b. Source is not provided. Anon yells that you are lying and that you made it up.

There is no winning with these people.
Anonymous No.23394687 >>23394704
>>23394669
>It was a joke answer
Then explain why the characters actually say Athrun is the strongest pilot in the Director's Cut of the movie?
Anonymous No.23394691 >>23394718
>>23394645
>>23394680
Bro, you're just making shit up constantly and freaking the fuck out and replying to yourself again and again when called out
Anonymous No.23394697 >>23394704 >>23394709
>>23394669
>It was a joke answer, and you took it as a statement of fact.
>Fukuda wasn't being serious!
And there is it folks. His new "out" that his head canon came up with. Dude just can't take an L.
Anonymous No.23394704 >>23394725 >>23394770 >>23394831
>>23394687
Shura says it to fuck with Shinn. Shura has never met Athrun and Shinn even immediately starts to question him about it.
You took Shura at his word too? Christ.

>>23394697
Even a machine can tell it was a joke. He's asked a question and gives a blunt answer "he's amazing" and laughs at the end of it. And you'll note that nowhere does the term "skilled pilot" or "piloting skills" come up.
Anonymous No.23394709
>>23394697
I honestly miss that doomposting retard from the last threads. At least he had the decency to shut up.
Anonymous No.23394718
>>23394691
Thatโ€™s the kind of thing that has hurt CE discussion over all these years so it shouldnโ€™t be too shocking. People just love to make random shit up.
Anonymous No.23394725 >>23394739
>>23394704
>Even a machine can tell it was a joke.
Let's see.
Anonymous No.23394729 >>23394767
>>23394640
Come to think of it, after Z, I don't think they've ever done a "Archangel as the bad guys" story again, have they?
Anonymous No.23394739 >>23394799
>>23394725
>The answer is a mix of serious and joking tones. Director Fukuda provides a straightforward explanation ("Athrun is amazing"), which could be taken as a serious in-universe justification, but the addition of "(laughs)" and the playful phrasing ("Kira-kun... wasnโ€™t a match for Athrun") suggest a lighthearted, joking tone. It feels like Fukuda is poking fun at the question while still giving a nod to Athrunโ€™s capabilities, rather than providing a deeply technical or serious explanation.
I asked 20 times, and all 20 answers were the same. So yeah, anon confirmed less able to understand humor than a bot I guess.
Anonymous No.23394767 >>23397482
>>23394729
NTA but no
SRW Z's treatment of Kira was seen as pretty preposterous, changing his character for the worse just so half the cast could shit on him.
Anonymous No.23394770 >>23394775 >>23394783
>>23394704
NTA, but why should Shura bother messing with Shinn? Was he even particularly high on his radar for the effort?
Anonymous No.23394775
>>23394770
Would*
Anonymous No.23394783 >>23394792
>>23394770
Because the Accords are sadists who think they're superior beings, and are enjoying shit-talking Compass. They're using their mind-reading abilities to make it easier. They belittle Kira for not knowing how to swordfight, suggest that Compass isn't all that great, call Shinn the Freedom Killer, compare him unfavorably to Athrun, and as they leave, Shura singles out Agnes for praise despite her objectively being the least skilled pilot there.

TL;DR: He's an asshole.
Anonymous No.23394792 >>23394807
>>23394783
Fair point. Still, Shura's interest in Athrun hardly seems like it only exists pertaining to the scene.
Anonymous No.23394795 >>23394807
>>23393896
Speak for yourself man, I'm a certified SEED Psycho and I fuckin' loved every minute of it.
Ordinarily I hate callbacks, but I felt a lot of them were done tastefully. Shinn's nickname of 'Freedom Killer', getting close to Requiem using MC being called the 'Nicol tactic', certain stock shots that got reused a lot in Destiny being reanimated.

As a funny aside because there was a bit of debate about fan service - when Lacus is about to launch in Proud Defender, we can see on Murrue's screen that Lacus has set it to 'sound only' because she was embarrassed about the pilot suit.
Anonymous No.23394799 >>23394807
>>23394739
Did you not consider Fukuda was just trying to keep the tone of the event fun? I can't believe you need a bot to help you analyze this WackyModder.
Anonymous No.23394802
>source this
>Interview that
If I need to go that far beyond the source material to make sense of things that should've been evident in the actual show/movie itself, then the directing and writing has failed.
Anonymous No.23394807 >>23394827
>>23394792
At the very least, he knows about Athrun enough to be able to tell his way of piloting SF apart from Kira. I just wouldn't take anything said in the fencing scene at face value, because we do see they're deliberately trying to get a rise out of Compass.

>>23394795
>when Lacus is about to launch in Proud Defender, we can see on Murrue's screen that Lacus has set it to 'sound only' because she was embarrassed about the pilot suit.
I actually never caught that. Nice.

>>23394799
NTA but isn't that why he'd give a joke answer and not a serious one?
Anonymous No.23394824
>>23394084
>It looked like they flirted with the super robot genre
No, they went full super robot and it was awesome. You're just a faggy fake mecha fan.
Anonymous No.23394826 >>23394849 >>23394851
We know that the Rising Freedom and Immortal Justice was suppose to be mass produced, but do we know who those mobiles suit were suppose to be mass produced for? Were ZAFT and EA suppose to adopt those suit after the initial testing from COMPS by Kira and Shinn?

ZAFT was already field testing their next-gen suits in the Gelgoog and Gyan, even had them assigned to COMPS, so why would ZAFT adopt the Rising Freedom and Immortal Justice in their ranks?

We saw no new suit from the EA in the film, so I assume they would be the biggest adopters of the Rising Freedom and Immortal Justice in their forces.

ORB would definitely adopt the suits given they spearheaded development of both of them
Anonymous No.23394827 >>23394849
>>23394807
>NTA but isn't that why he'd give a joke answer and not a serious one?
A light hearted tone doesn't mean the answer is a joke. Not to mention this was a live Q&A fan even where you have to keep the energy fun and lively. There are so many interviews out there with Tomino and other anime creators where they laugh or chuckle during the interview. That does not mean their answers are false.
Anonymous No.23394831
>>23394704
You are looking at the wrong scene and you aren't looking at the 4K Directors Cut of the movie. Athrun is called the strongest pilot in it.
Anonymous No.23394837 >>23394849
>>23394567
>They DID. It's called an Anti-ship Sword.
That's a physical sword with a beam edge and apparently the physical part does nothing.
>Did you even watch the show? Shields can still block Anti-ship swords. Why are you whining about this 20 years later?
Your screenshot shows nothing that a beam saber couldn't do. You haven't given a reason for why you need the physical part of the sword since the extra weight doesn't do anything. People have always assumed that the point of the anti ship sword was that the extra weight from the physical portion of the sword allowed it to cut through tougher things than a regular beam saber could. But if that's not the case it's just a really stupid weapon.
Anonymous No.23394849 >>23394856 >>23394864 >>23394919
>>23394826
They were supposedly going to be Compass's main suits going forward. Not necessarily mass-produced in the sense that they become their grunts, but produced in numbers so Compass squads can all have their own Freedom and Justice.
>We saw no new suit from the EA in the film
I think they've mostly given up on MS by that point and went all-in on MA.

>>23394827
Calling him 'Kira-kun' and answering bluntly, 'because Athrun is amazing' 'Kira-kun is no match for Athrun' suggests it's a joke even without him laughing.

>>23394837
That isn't correct. Anti-ship swords exert physical force even when blocked, and can function even if thrown (although you probably shouldn't use your sword that way). They have enough cutting power to cleave through anti-beam shields and MS in a single swing in a lot of cases.
Anonymous No.23394851 >>23394861
>>23394826
>We know that the Rising Freedom and Immortal Justice was suppose to be mass produced, but do we know who those mobiles suit were suppose to be mass produced for?
According to Fukuda, they were meant to be used by Compass ace pilots. So I would imagine Kira training a bunch of younger Compass pilots on his style of fighting. Kira uses Strike Freedom while his trainees under his command use Rising Freedoms. Like a mother duck and her ducklings. Same idea with Athrun. IJ leading a bunch of Immortal Justices.

>We saw no new suit from the EA in the film, so I assume they would be the biggest adopters of the Rising Freedom and Immortal Justice in their forces.
EA and Orb were supposed to take over production of Rising Freedom and Immortal Justice. EA has grater industrial capacity than Zaft. That would be EA's contribution to Compass.

>ZAFT was already field testing their next-gen suits in the Gelgoog and Gyan, even had them assigned to COMPS, so why would ZAFT adopt the Rising Freedom and Immortal Justice in their ranks?
They won't. RF and IJ were meant for Compass specifically. Testing Gelgoog and Gyan with Compass was just Compass doing a favor for Zaft. Compass was engaged in conflicts and the data they received from battles would help Zaft.

Given time, I believe the idea was for Compass to gradually get more ships and more suits. They would become like Londo Bell in UC. A small elite task force to handle conflicts before they get out of control. Fukuda said that the economies of all the major powers had crashed, and that military budgets were limited. That's why old suits were still being used by all sides. So It would also be cheaper to share the responsibility of funding Compass, a small elite task force, than to funding a giant military with the latest weapons.
Anonymous No.23394856 >>23394887
>>23394849
>Calling him 'Kira-kun' and answering bluntly, 'because Athrun is amazing' 'Kira-kun is no match for Athrun' suggests it's a joke even without him laughing.
Then the onus is on your to prove it's 100% a joke. You need to find a quote from Fukuda saying he meant it as a joke. Because the evidence leans heavily otherwise. Both Fukuda saying Athrun is the strongest and the movie repeatedly saying Athrun is the strongest (including the new dialog I the 4K Remastered Edition) support other anons argument.
Anonymous No.23394861 >>23394880
>>23394851
>Fukuda said that the economies of all the major powers had crashed, and that military budgets were limited.
I hadn't thought about it, but that would make sense. Logos was probably holding a lot of that shit up, and the global crackdown on anybody even suspected of working with Logos would probably be pretty bad for markets. Oh, and Break the World and that whole war thing.
Anonymous No.23394864 >>23394887
>>23394849
>Anti-ship swords exert physical force even when blocked
The MS is still pushing too, you know. But the back of an anti-ship sword would provide a handhold for additional leverage and grip when pushing.

>can function even if thrown (although you probably shouldn't use your sword that way)
Huh? Beam sabers have always been able to be thrown. Beam boomerangs are literally the same tech as beam sabers but in a slightly different shape and optimized for throwing and retrieval.

>They have enough cutting power to cleave through anti-beam shields and MS in a single swing in a lot of cases.
I've seen them stab fairly well, but swinging? I don't know about that, they've been blocked pretty frequently.
Anonymous No.23394880 >>23394910 >>23394975
>>23394861
ZAFT apparently was able to afford to make new suits, so I guess that implies that the PLANT economy wasn't too bad post Destiny, at least in comparison to the nations of Earth. Even Orb was able to upgrade their Murasames to the Murasame Kai. A small upgrade but an upgrade nonetheless. The EA seems to be in the worst shape economically, with their forces still fielding even 105 Daggers.Which makes sense given, as you say, the LOGOS crackdown and the Break The World incident.
Anonymous No.23394887 >>23394895 >>23394899 >>23394923 >>23394926
>>23394856
Nah, I think it's pretty obviously a joke.

>>23394864
>The MS is still pushing too, you know. But the back of an anti-ship sword would provide a handhold for additional leverage and grip when pushing.
I was specifically thinking of how Gaia was sent reeling by some of Impulse's swings. Beam sabers shouldn't have that same sort of forceful effect.
>Huh? Beam sabers have always been able to be thrown. Beam boomerangs are literally the same tech as beam sabers but in a slightly different shape and optimized for throwing and retrieval.
An anon earlier in the thread made me look through 6 different databooks to try to find info about the Sword Strike, and what I gathered is that the Schwert Gewehr and beam boomerangs carry capacitors that let them function out of the MS's hands. But that might just be some BS the books added to make them sound more special and it's actually standard on all sabers, so nvm that.
>I've seen them stab fairly well, but swinging? I don't know about that, they've been blocked pretty frequently.
I was specifically thinking of this.
Anonymous No.23394895 >>23394909
>>23394887
Mu seems a bit kill happy...
Anonymous No.23394899 >>23394909
>>23394887
>Nah, I think it's pretty obviously a joke.
I think you are trolling. Providing evidence please.
Anonymous No.23394909
>>23394895
He's a professional through and through, I don't think he's ever done the no-kill thing. Bear in mind that Neo Roanoke's memories were tweaked, but not so much his personality.

>>23394899
Nah, topic is boring, I've done enough. I am curious about these added '4K remastered lines' if you have them though.
Anonymous No.23394910 >>23394975 >>23395005
>>23394880
>ZAFT apparently was able to afford to make new suits, so I guess that implies that the PLANT economy wasn't too bad post Destiny, at least in comparison to the nations of Earth
The Gelgoog and Gyan Storm hadn't actually been mass produced yet. They were just test types. Most of the Zaft fleet was still using Zakus and Goufs.

The Gelgoog and Gyan were also designed with limited budgets in mind. The complexity of the suits were reduced as much as possible to save on costs. In addition the Gelgoog and Gyan share many common components between them to save on even more money.

If the databooks are to be believed, the Impulse was mass produced foe Zaft ace pilots but the costs and logistics for maintaining them became too unbearable for Zaft and the Impulse was cancelled shortly after developing the Destiny Impulse pack. The costs were ballooning out of control.
Anonymous No.23394919 >>23394936
>>23394849
>That isn't correct.
Obviously. But you have people in the thread saying the physical portion does nothing but give range. >>23393591 That would be really stupid if that was the case.
Anonymous No.23394923 >>23394938
>>23394887
>6 different databooks
How do you people even find these? Are they translated?
Anonymous No.23394926 >>23394938 >>23394943 >>23395066 >>23395402
>>23394887
>I was specifically thinking of how Gaia was sent reeling by some of Impulse's swings. Beam sabers shouldn't have that same sort of forceful effect.
In the same episode the Perfect Strike's anti-ship sword fails to do anything to the Calamity's shield (>>23393611), so I think that's just Fukada power levels in play both here and when it comes to the Armory One battle. After all, the Sword Impulse also gets one of its anti-ship swords broken in half when it clashes with the Chaos in mid-air.

>An anon earlier in the thread made me look through 6 different databooks to try to find info about the Sword Strike, and what I gathered is that the Schwert Gewehr and beam boomerangs carry capacitors that let them function out of the MS's hands. But that might just be some BS the books added to make them sound more special and it's actually standard on all sabers, so nvm that.
Could be. Seed is sort of known for being vague about the technology, there's certain some odd examples here and there like the Windam having VPS or not. There's even that one databook entry that sounds really apologetic about the Windam's performance and hypes it up a lot, even though they drop like flies throughout the show. All I know is that anti-ship swords are basically meant to be stronger than a standard beam saber, so maybe the capacitors help with power delivery and keeping voltages stable. Capacitors have additional function besides just being a short term battery, like being available to help jump-start systems that draw a lot of power when turning on.
Anonymous No.23394936 >>23394938 >>23394939 >>23394944
>>23394919
>That would be really stupid if that was the case.
Why? The anti-ship sword is still using the same power source as a normal beam saber: the battery.
Anonymous No.23394938 >>23394956 >>23395015
>>23394923
Honestly? I find them on sadpanda. Just search for Gundam SEED non-H.

>>23394926
>Fukada power levels in play
Kek it's possible. The most charitable interpretation I could come up with would be varying levels of anti-beam resistance.

>>23394936
The physical portion should still provide cutting power. IIRC, Arondight cut right through Akatsuki's shield/
Anonymous No.23394939 >>23394950
>>23394936
>Why? The anti-ship sword is still using the same power source as a normal beam saber: the battery.
Because it weighs more. Swinging something heavier at something will do more damage than something lighter.
Anonymous No.23394943
>>23394926
It's not about power. It's about versatility and reach. AS swords can still be used even if the beam is turned off or the battery runs out. The physical part of the blade is still sharp.
Anonymous No.23394944 >>23394953
>>23394936
Driving in a nail with your palm vs using a hammer.
Anonymous No.23394950 >>23395001
>>23394939
>Because it weighs more. Swinging something heavier at something will do more damage than something lighter.
For Gundams, the phase shift armor negates most of any potential damage. So all that happens is the enemy suit is knocked out of position and the enemy pilot is stunned for a moment.

Remember that Anti-ship swords werent really designed to fight other Gundams. Sword Strike Gundam was meant to fight against Zaft ships and Ginns. Both of which don't have armor to stop Sword Strike. Ginns don't really carry shields, and ships are just ships.
Anonymous No.23394953
>>23394944
Unless the material you are hammering a nail against is also made of metal.
Anonymous No.23394956
>>23394938
>The physical portion should still provide cutting power. IIRC, Arondight cut right through Akatsuki's shield/
Give Cagalli credit. She did use her beam saber and clash against Destiny's AS sword.
Anonymous No.23394968 >>23394992
You fuckers lied, the physical part that runs parallel to the beam is a FLAT surface, it's not sharp except for maybe the tip
Anonymous No.23394975 >>23394988
>>23394880
>>23394910
I like how economics plays such a heavy role in MS development in the SEED universe.
Anonymous No.23394988
>>23394975
There's a lot of neat shit like that you can find out about with some looking. Like I just learned the other day that the Strike Dagger is just a 105 Dagger that they cut costs on, and the striker pack hardpoint on the Strike Dagger is functional, they just covered it up. The ZAKU wizard system was thought up so they could abide by the treaty's limits on MS numbers while still technically having as many melee or artillery units as needed.
Anonymous No.23394992
>>23394968
Yes, only the tip is sharp. The rest just has mass going for it if you're, say, underwater.
Anonymous No.23395001 >>23395058 >>23395068
>>23394950
That's completely misinterpreting what I'm saying. The beam edge of the sword is being carried by the force of the weighted swing giving it more power. An anti ship sword should be able to cut through things a normal beam saber couldn't.
Anonymous No.23395005
>>23394910
>If the databooks are to be believed, the Impulse was mass produced foe Zaft ace pilots but the costs and logistics for maintaining them became too unbearable for Zaft and the Impulse was cancelled shortly after developing the Destiny Impulse pack. The costs were ballooning out of control.

In hindsight, this was so obvious. Each piece of the Impulse is made from complex engineering and the latest tech. Abandoning/sacrificing parts in combat would be crazy expensive. Military hardware is designed to be as robust, long lasting, and effective as possible. The hot-swap nature of Impulse is only worthwhile if the swapped out parts can be recovered in combat and can be quickly reused.
Anonymous No.23395015
>>23394938
>Just search for Gundam SEED non-H.

>it works
Holy shit this opens up so much opportunity for autism for me
Thanks anon
Anonymous No.23395058 >>23395087 >>23395111
>>23395001
>An anti ship sword should be able to cut through things a normal beam saber couldn't.

It does. Just not on the first swing most of the time. With AS swords it usually takes multiple swings and slices to cut through shields with anti-beam coating. And that's assuming the AS sword isn't previously damaged.

Remember it's an "anti-ship" sword that CAN be used for melee with mobile suits. But the primary role is cutting through ship hulls. Most of the time the hulls are made of inferior metal and not anti-beam coated.
Anonymous No.23395066
>>23394926
Fukuda and other staff members have said the people who write the databooks check in with them. If something doesn't appear in the databooks its usually because they don't want the information written, and the staff want the flexibility to change their minds about technology later.
Anonymous No.23395068 >>23395111
>>23395001
>An anti ship sword should be able to cut through things a normal beam saber couldn't.
Anti-beam coating dude.
Anonymous No.23395087 >>23395095
>>23395058
Since ship hulls are like that, wouldn't a pure beam saber like the ones on the METEOR units be better for attacking ships? After the initial swing into a ship, the physical sword has to stop at some point inside the ship (unless you're doing something silly like only cutting small parts or shaving off layers of the ship hull like a pot roast), so wouldn't the blade or the tip get caught and snag on the inside of the ship unless you carefully extract the blade from the ship in the same path it entered?

This is why saws and cutters for large objects like wood or concrete have cutting edges that run all the way around (chainsaw) or use something else like continuous water spray coating the spinning blade as lubricant.
Anonymous No.23395095 >>23395112
>>23395087
>Since ship hulls are like that, wouldn't a pure beam saber like the ones on the METEOR units be better for attacking ships?
Well yeah. But Meteor's beam sabers are "anti-colony" beam sabers. They are massive and it's overkill for attacking a ship. At that point you aren't cutting a ship. You are melting most of it.
Anonymous No.23395111 >>23395205
>>23395058
>>23395068
>anti-beam coating
That's what the extra weight is for. There is more than just a beam hitting it, there is physical impact as well. You're not just tanking a beam saber, you're tanking a beam saber with extra mass behind it. Your coating should take far more damage and whatever you're blocking with is taking physical trauma.
Anonymous No.23395112 >>23395214
>>23395095
We can have a halfway point, there's a huge range between a saber hilt that fits in the palm of a hand, and the METEOR. Hear me out, maybe have a beam saber hilt the size of a pringles can compared to the hand, and optionally a really big battery on it, or a cable to plug it into the battery on backpack or torso
Anonymous No.23395205 >>23395262
>>23395111
>That's what the extra weight is for.
And that's what the physical part of the shield is for. Anti-beam coating heavily resists the incoming beam, and the physical shield blocks the blade. Thus the blade is stopped.
Anonymous No.23395214
>>23395112
The issue is power consumption. Suits with batteries have limits. Only nuclear powered Gundams are capable of what you are suggesting. The AS sword extends the length of the beam, but keeps the "width" of the beam the same as a traditional beam saber.
Anonymous No.23395262 >>23395282
>>23395205
The physical shield should cave, we've seen it happen to some units with anti-beam coating on their shields.
Anonymous No.23395282 >>23395392
>>23395262
Eh...thats debatable. Mass production shields like on Daggers have a good chance of breaking on the first hit. But Gundams with high custom end shields can probably block several swings. It's not advisable to take it head on, but the Gundam shields can do it.

And that's not even counting beam shields. Or those shields with beam shield emitters like Infinite Justice.
Anonymous No.23395332
>>23394645
I usually don't say this often, but ok. Fair enough. Thanks for providing source. I'll give you credit there. Athrun is more lethal than Kira. Fukuda said it too.
Anonymous No.23395383
>>23394645
Based. Kirasissies in shambles.

>>23394619
>>23394648
Get fucked lmao
Anonymous No.23395392 >>23395398
>>23395282
>those shields with beam shield emitters like Infinite Justice.
Destiny's shield works the same way.
Anonymous No.23395398 >>23395406
>>23395392
Destiny's shield is just an energy beam shield. It lacks the physical part.
Anonymous No.23395400
>>23394563
>Athrun couldn't even beat Shura solo without losing an arm off his machine
Athrun used his arm as bait to literally kill the motherfucker. Kira got his suit(S) eviscerated without even putting a dent on Shura. He needed his mom's mahou shoujo particles to "win".
Anonymous No.23395402
>>23394926
Didn't Fukuda say he hated Astray and doesn't consider it real Gundam Seed?
Anonymous No.23395406 >>23395437 >>23395559
>>23395398
Ah my bad. I keep thinking the yellow center is the emitter. But apparently it's not. The energy emitters are solely on his fists.
Anonymous No.23395437 >>23395444
>>23392870
>>23393574
>>23395406
It's such a weird contrast seeing how powerful beam shields are in Seed Destiny, but seeming them shatter like glass in Seed Freedom.
I wonder if Fukuda did this intentionally because of conplaints from the fans?


>>23394563
Interesting. I never knew Saviour Gundam had phase shift armor on the shield too. Still learning more fun factoids even 20 years after Seed Destiny aired.

>>23394069
That guy piloting Buster is such a loser. He just sat there and let his teammate get killed.
Anonymous No.23395444 >>23395447 >>23395462 >>23395477
>>23395437
>I never knew Saviour Gundam had phase shift armor on the shield too
It doesn't.
Anonymous No.23395447 >>23395459
>>23395444

Not according to this picture.
>>23394563
Anonymous No.23395459 >>23395460 >>23395463
>>23395447
Animation error obviously. The whole "fight" against Savior was conceived on a shitter I reckon.
Anonymous No.23395460 >>23395462
>>23395459
>Animation error obviously.
How can you claim it's an error with no proof?
Anonymous No.23395462 >>23395468
>>23395460
Because not a single shield has PSA. Including Savior's >>23395444
Anonymous No.23395463 >>23395477
>>23395459
Databooks disagree with you. They say Saviour's shield was part of main body during transformation. Not a disposable accessory like Strike Gundam. So VPS was added to Saviour's shield. And the shield was made aerodynamic with wings.
Anonymous No.23395468 >>23395476
>>23395462
>Because not a single shield has PSA.

1. Sword Strike Gundam
2. Blitz Gundam
3. Aegis Gundam
4. Raider Gundam
5. Forbidden Gundam
6. Calamity Gundam
7. Destroy Gundam
8. Destiny Gundam
9. Infinite Justice Gundam
10. Rising Freedom Gundam
11. Immortal Justice Gundam

You really suck at paying attention to details don't you?
Anonymous No.23395476 >>23395481 >>23395574
>>23395468
>4. Raider Gundam
>5. Forbidden Gundam
>6. Calamity Gundam
None of them have PSA. They're all colored in hangars. Enough.
Anonymous No.23395477
>>23395463
>They say Saviour's shield was part of main body during transformation
True.

>And the shield was made aerodynamic with wings.
True.

>So VPS was added to Saviour's shield
Source? I remember it saying its just coated like other shields, also seen in >>23395444
Anonymous No.23395481 >>23395793
>>23395476
>None of them have PSA. They're all colored in hangars. Enough.
They have TPSA (Trans-Phase Shift armor). That's phase shift armor and it counts.

Although it's strange it's never used again.
Anonymous No.23395559 >>23395603
>>23395406
Destiny sure does carry a lot of junk on its back. That cannon is huge.
Anonymous No.23395574
>>23395476
>None of them have PSA.
I'm pretty sure they do.
Anonymous No.23395603
>>23395559
That's a folded Arondight. Shading makes it look like it's part of the cannon.
Anonymous No.23395793 >>23395829
>>23395481
The Windam and Destroy in Destiny are supposed to have VPS armor, but are shown to be the same color when powered down. So thereโ€™s speculation it may still be Trans Phase armor, with VPS used instead of PS.
Anonymous No.23395829 >>23395954
>>23395793
The databooks confirmed that Destroy Gundam has Trans-Phase armor and a defensive g-panzer. However it's unknown whether the Destroy Gundams we see in the movie are even functioning at full power. Because it's pretty ridiculous that Freedom Gundam's railguns could KO a Destroy Gundam. But those same railguns just bounce harmlessly off a Black Knight. Not even leaving a dent. Total inconsistency.
Anonymous No.23395954
>>23395829
The original Freedom's railguns also damaged the first Destroy in Berlin. Destroy's protection has always been inconsistent.
Anonymous No.23396244 >>23396289
>>23394049
Astray?
Anonymous No.23396257
>>23393781
>Anyways, Kira has never lost a battle. The only MC to do so.
Anonymous No.23396267
>>23393333
There's another reason Athrun's the best pilot. He has the power of pic.
Anonymous No.23396289
>>23396244
Astray is worse than the mainline in both regards nowadays
Anonymous No.23397482 >>23397494
>>23394767
This.
And the thing is Kira in SRW Z still ends up being in the right.
Anonymous No.23397494
>>23397482
For Durandal, yeah. Even L makes him the bad guy, despite there being no animosity between Minerva and Archangel. But no so much "I know these guys committed illegal experiments and are trying to cover it up but Cagalli is crying."
Anonymous No.23397496
>>23384879
>Meteor plays in the background
>Shinn: So, this is what it's like to be on the heroes' side.
Anonymous No.23398961 >>23399041
Wackymodder admitted he browses and argues in Seed threads. So if you are wondering why we have one anon who is so obsessed about beam sabers clashing, it's probably him. Dude won't accept that beam sabers do clash in Seed.

He also hated the Seed movie. He doesn't like that they made beam sabers clash. He also went on a 45 minute rant about giving Strike Freedom a physical Katana made no sense. That the Proud Defender should have given Freedom more beam sabers.

Anyway, just thought I'd mention it in case any anons as raising their eyebrows at why we have one anon hyper obsessed with saber clashes.
Anonymous No.23399041 >>23399104 >>23399121 >>23399126 >>23399131 >>23399150 >>23399160 >>23399176
>>23398961
>Wackymodder admitted he browses and argues in Seed threads
Well yeah he used to openly post here back in like 2014/5. He admitted he has autism too as if it wasn't obvious. IIRC the thread was about his ''fixed'' Destiny.

>saber clashes
Japanese Youtubers also say they don't clash. I can't find the exact video but I'm pretty sure it was this guy https://www.youtube.com/@Gamore that said "Since beam sabers can't clash in SEED universe, pilots are trained to catch blades with their shields instead" something like that. If I dig up the exact video before this thread archives I'll link it. IIRC it was something about Impulse.
And it's true, even they "clash" it's usually for a single frame and the big clashes instead are almost always saber-to-shield like >>23393792 https://youtu.be/1Zonk--fzNQ?t=67 or shield to shield like Legend versus SF https://youtu.be/2W265ItpKMo?t=229

They even reanimated some of the scenes in the remaster where beams clashed into beams being parried by shields like pic related.

They don't clash. If they did we'd have some epic clash scenes like so many other Gundam series. Instead every skirmish that ends in a frame/stand-off is with shields against sabers.
Anonymous No.23399104
>>23399041
Or it could've been this channel https://www.youtube.com/@sumanga-minnanohannou/shorts I remember that female bot voice spouting trivia.
Anonymous No.23399120
I would bet that's not why the scene was changed. Fukuda has specifically said that Gundam Seed shields are also weapons. Other Gundam shows treat shields as disposable, but Fukuda said that Seed Shields are weapons that can directly be used in combat, and have a lot of destructive potential. Like a shield bash or a hitting weapon.

Fukuda is also a fan of dynamic combat and every part of the suit playing a role in combat. In the original scene, Strike isn't doing anything with the shield in the left arm. It's just hanging there. Fukuda strongly dislikes that. The suit must always be doing something with both arms. So the scene was redone so the Strike's left arm is playing a role.

That's why beam sabers always attack the shield first. Because it's a literal threat. If the pilot ignores the enemy shield, then you will get situations like:

- Athrun throwing his shield as a weapon

- Kira ramming the enemy with Strike shield and Freedom's shield.

- Athrun ramming an enemy with his Zaku spike shield

- Etc etc.

- Everytime a shield is ignored by an enemy, it gets turned into a weapon.

The sabers aren't clashing other sabers because they can't. The sabers are clashing the shields because that's only way to stop the shields from being a threat.

Even in the Seed movie, shields are huge threats. They have hidden weapons and can fly around. If you watch the movie carefully, the Black Knights specifically target Freedom's shield FIRST because clashing against its beam saber. I don't know why Seed fans ignore the importance of shields and how much they mean to Fukuda. He has said how important shields are several times.
Anonymous No.23399121 >>23399136
>>23399041
Japanese wikis also say it. Iโ€™m pretty sure thereโ€™s a Wikipedia page for beam sabers that talks about it too. Itโ€™s just one of those things thatโ€™s common knowledge there.
Anonymous No.23399126 >>23399372 >>23399647
>>23399041
I would bet that's not why the scene was changed. Fukuda has specifically said that Gundam Seed shields are also weapons. Other Gundam shows treat shields as disposable, but Fukuda said that Seed Shields are weapons that can directly be used in combat, and have a lot of destructive potential. Like a shield bash or a hitting weapon.

Fukuda is also a fan of dynamic combat and every part of the suit playing a role in combat. In the original scene, Strike isn't doing anything with the shield in the left arm. It's just hanging there. Fukuda strongly dislikes that. The suit must always be doing something with both arms. So the scene was redone so the Strike's left arm is playing a role.

That's why beam sabers always attack the shield first. Because it's a literal threat. If the pilot ignores the enemy shield, then you will get situations like:

- Athrun throwing his shield as a weapon

- Kira ramming the enemy with Strike shield and Freedom's shield.

- Athrun ramming an enemy with his Zaku spike shield

- Etc etc.

- Everytime a shield is ignored by an enemy, it gets turned into a weapon.

The sabers aren't clashing other sabers because they can't. The sabers are clashing the shields because that's only way to stop the shields from being a threat.

Even in the Seed movie, shields are huge threats. They have hidden weapons and can fly around. If you watch the movie carefully, the Black Knights specifically target Freedom's shield FIRST because clashing against its beam saber. I don't know why Seed fans ignore the importance of shields and how much they mean to Fukuda. He has said how important shields are several times. He views them as just as almost as much a threat as beam sabers when it comes to combat.
Anonymous No.23399131 >>23399157 >>23399165 >>23399182
>>23399041
>Japanese Youtubers also say they don't clash.
I don't give af about what "YouTubers" say. I care about what the official staff say. I care about what the writer says. I care about what Director Fukuda says.
Anonymous No.23399136
>>23399121
Itโ€™s true.
Anonymous No.23399150 >>23399165
>>23399041
I am not sure if you are aware but Mitsuo Fukuda said seed pilots cannot easily clash with their beam sabers. To do so requires a lot of skill. He even said that a shield is more important than a sword. So basically beam saber clashes are normal in other gundam universes but in seed it's a very difficult maneuver to pull off. So only ace pilots do it like in the seed movie. Everyone else makes due with a shield.
Anonymous No.23399157
>>23399131
>I know more than the people who have free access and full understanding of every interview, every episode commentary, every databook!
Humble yourself.
Anonymous No.23399160 >>23399165
>>23399041
>Well yeah he used to openly post here back in like 2014/5. He admitted he has autism too as if it wasn't obvious. IIRC the thread was about his ''fixed'' Destiny.
Then why does he rage when Fukuda is like "lol of course sabers clash. Go watch the Seed movie." Shouldn't his autism respect the Director of Gundam Seed as the ultimate authority?
Anonymous No.23399163 >>23399165
Apparently no one in this thread read the interviews where the great Fukuda said that shields are more important than beam sabers.
Anonymous No.23399165
>>23399131
>>23399150
>>23399160
>>23399163
Get a grip dude, nobody cares about your crush on Fukuda
Anonymous No.23399176
>>23399041
Gamore changed his opinion on beam saber clashing over a year ago after seeing Gundam Seed Freedom. He now admits beam swords can clash. Gamore just wanted to see it happen on screen. Same with a few other channels too.
Anonymous No.23399182 >>23399206
>>23399131
Well sure but the point is: Wackymodder didn't come up with it.
Anonymous No.23399206 >>23399221 >>23399235
>>23399182
Your info is out of date. Wacky's new obsession is Femto Tech Armor. He got really upset in Discord when he Shinn defeated the Black Knights because according to him, beams shouldn't be able to defeat Femto Tech armor. Wacky's mind literally interpreted immunity to beams to mean ALL beam weapons including beam sabers.

He started yelling about how none of Destiny's weapons should work at all against the Black Knights and that the staff forgot their own lore. That Destiny needs physical weapons to beat FT armor. And that Gelgoog's beam saber should have done nothing against the Black Knights.

If you want to join his madness, then be my guest. I'm curious if you want to support another 400 post thread about FT armor vs beam sabers.
Anonymous No.23399208
>"ayo fuck SNEED the next movie finna flop!"
>400 replies about anti-ship swords, phase shift armors on shields and fucking beam clashing
>on and off for literal decades
Yeah, CE isn't going anywhere lol. Westerners are obsessed with it just as much as the Elevens.

Hopefully we get a cool new SEED vidya gaem too.
Anonymous No.23399221 >>23399243
>>23399206
I did not know that, my info is indeed out of date. I know he's a sperg but that really sounds like he unironically embraced his memed up nitpicky hatred for SEED as his entire personality instead of just letting go.

Then again I reckon this must feel like a nightmare for him. Years of relative peace then all of a sudden SEED is back and dominating the Gundam discussion once again lmao
Anonymous No.23399235
>>23399206
>And that Gelgoog's beam saber should have done nothing against the Black Knights.
What is this dudes deal? Does Wackymodder think a beam saber would do literally nothing to FT armor? Like water hitting the ground?
Anonymous No.23399243
>>23399221
It's truly bizzarre to be honest. Wackymodder surrounded himself with people that just agree with everything he says, and they treat him like a wise saint. Nothing he says is wrong. I almost want to publicly disagree with him to see what he would say, but I'm sure I would just get instabanned.
Anonymous No.23399372
>>23399126
That's actually really cool. It's too bad he so much of a hack otherwise
Anonymous No.23399647
>>23399126
If that's the real reason, then I can excuse the lack of beam saber clashes.