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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvflUTN0USo
Evaluate Gavv Hexenheim's aesthetics.

What Gochizo will he use once he becomes a Rider?

>>23383864
Honestly looks like a better final form for Gavv and even kinda looks like what his Granute form would be like

>>23383870
Yamigashi or bust

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>>23383878
>>23383878
>>23383878

>>23383864
Wasn't expecting the summer movie to be serious considering Takebe's track record

>>23383826
You said it yourself, autism is a spectrum, some people are more autistic than others.

>>23383873
This is what his Granute form would look like.

>>23383864
It’s just fucking revice. The gochizo even matches vice’s colors.

>>23383897
That's not Shouma, that's either the AU Shouma from the movie or the blond right hand man of Caries

>>23383864
Conceptually it looks like Shoma coming to terms with his hertiage some way. I feel like I should know what suits this thing cannibalizes but I don't. Those leg parts look super familiar. Chest armor too. I do think it's funny how they repainted the Bitter GavvGaBlade, I always thought that one looked cooler.

We still don't know what that guy with the White Gavv transforms into, if he even does transform. They might just be saving that belt for the finale. I'm really interested to see how it works, I like the idea of a lever more than the handle the regular belt does.

>>23383914
It's Taorin, yeah. Similar pose, has the weird different Gavv, and the Hexenheim Gochizo.

>>23383897
Retard

>>23383945
I wonder what Taorin's deal is, he has his own unique Gavv and that keep hinting at him becoming a Rider with him going "of Shouma can fight then so can I". But they haven't teased a Rider form for him at all

>>23383914
>the AU Shouma
Yes, anon, think about what I just said.

>>23383958
>But they haven't teased a Rider form for him at all
His is an inverted version of Caries' Gavv, and Gavv's transformaiton at one point opens up to show what seems to be details of an entirely different Rider helmet (There's these red eyebrow gems and pink maybe eyes that absolutely are not on the regular Caries helmet). I feel like this could maybe be a hint to Taorin having a Rider form. That or Caries has an Eden->Lucifer situation.

https://www.tiktok.com/@fantastics_official/video/7526377040832990472?_r=1&_t=ZS-8xytHzKjHz5

>>23383969
>His is an inverted version of Caries' Gavv
Not really, Caries has the same belt as him, just with a black plate on top. And judging by other previews, it seems like Caries will somehow steal his Gavv to transform into his Rider form.

>>23383958
The latest teaser seemingly implies he was expiremented on by the Muters and Caries is trying to get him back. On that same forest we see Caries holding Taorin's Gavv with some skin attached to it seemingly after he kills him and we also see Caries upgrading doing some sort of cast-off.
He's seemingly is going to lead to the upgrades for both Shouma and Caries.

>>23383864
Looks like a Rogue form
>>23383870
Maybe he was the rumored dual-gochizo belt user

>>23384020
>rumored dual-gochizo belt user
What the fuck are you talking about

>>23384020
>rumored dual-gochizo belt user
But there's not such thing? Did you misread the leak about the final rider's belt that's red and comes with two Gochizos? It just comes with two Gochizos, it doesn't uses both simultaneously

So we have 6 episodes to kill off 5 major villains

>>23384062
100% doing simultaneous final battles for each Rider then rather than all ganging up on the final boss. Nyelv is facing Valen next week, so that could be set up for their match up.

>>23384062
It would be really funny if they kill Nyelv in the movie

Gavv is good

>>23384020
>rumored dual-gochizo belt user
Ah yes, the rumor. The rumor for the dual-gochizo belt user, the belt user mentioned especially to use dual gochizos, that rumor...

>>23383870
Whatever it is, I hope his Rider form ends up looking a good as his Granute form.

>>23384062
Lizel's going to granute jail when Bocca gets beaten up.
Jipp is getting brutally killed.
Lango will be defeated in a 1v1 with Shouma.
Nylev will end up being an ally that pisses Hanto and Lakia off, will move in with Lakia at the end of the series. Just watch.
Who's the fifth villain you're talking about? K? Probably a V-Cinema plot element if he hasn't been forgotten

>>23384079
This is true

>>23384062
Isn't this pretty common for Super Sentai?
I think they can manage it

>>23384091
>Who's the fifth villain you're talking about?
Bocca

>>23384120
I just don't see how it wil satifyingly wrap up. Which would be shame because so far Gavv has been good/great and it would suck if it didn't stick the landing

>>23384120
>sn't this pretty common for Super Sentai?
Why are you do fags always mention other shows as a defense for Gavv

>>23384120
Sentai is a worse franchise though.

Rate them.

>>23384164
All of them except Gavv is kino

>>23383860 (OP)
I'll catch up with Gaav soon. I am catching up on stuff till Zeztz. I finished* Geats and was thinking of trying Revice, was it good?

>>23384170
fuck no. Revice is considered one of the worst KR series of all time

>>23383860 (OP)
Some previous Komura shows for reference
>Zyuohger: 3 villains in the last 6 episodes, 2 got two-parters, the other one got killed by backstabbing without proper backstory, these last episodes focused mostly on the protagonist's arc which was finished really satisfyingly, everything related to the worldbuilding was done extremely half-assed, Main Antagonist's backstory is told is the last episode
>LuPat: 3 villains, one got a two-parter, the other two fought simultaneously in the last two-parter, main antagonist's backstory got told in the last episode in a very halfassed manner, this last stretch focuses on the two teams as a whole, the emotional beats for the Lupins are done well but just about everything else of this stretch wasn't, nonexistent worldbuilding
>Zenkaiger: 5 villains, one got backstabbed without a backstory, the other 3 fought simultaneously in a two-parter, the defeat for two of them were satisfying despite not having much backstory while the other one felt really rushed with us basically knowing nothing about him, the main antagonist gets a satisfying fight in the final episode although his very existence feels like an asspull. Worldbuilding is resolved decently. Rival who was already on the verge of redemption gets fully redeemed, character arc is resolved greatly. Extra ranger's arc get resolved decently, the emotional beats hit but he's too disconnected from both the story and world-building to properly care
I would do one for Takebe seasons too but it has been over 12 years since I've seen Kiva and I'm blanking out on how exactly everything else went and I haven't seen Ninninger yet

>>23384170
Has a strong Q1, but things get out of hand after that and many of the characters suffer. It is a very curious case worth examining, especially if you consider that it was supposed to be an anniversary season technically

>>23384170
Generally considered to be the worst Reiwa show and the second worst season of all time, only being beaten by Super-1.
The first 18 episodes of Revice are really great, after that the quality drops hard and it pretty much never recovers.

>>23384170
Revice starts out strong and turns into an absolute dumpster fire of a show.

>>23384178
>only being beaten by Super-1.
There you go again, trying to say Super-1 is the worst
You're like that guy on /co/ who keeps trying to talk about Hamtaro in Tiny Toons threads

When does Build get good? 4 episode in and I'm still not hooked

>>23384185
you have to slog it out to the mid-late episodes

>>23384182
>>23384178
It is bad but it's nowhere near as insulting as Revice. It's just bad Showa

>>23384182
NTA, but Super-1 was so bad it resulted in Kamen Rider not being renewed, and going off air for like eight years (except for the ZX special).

>>23384182
Anon, half of Super-1 is about monsters pushing toddlers off of tricycles. It is actually offensively bad.

>>23384191
So the ZX special was so bad it resulted in no interest in the brand to continue making more

>>23384170
Not gonna lie, revice is the first season I watched as the episodes were coming out, so it holds a special place in my heart, but I think if I tried to watch more than one episode a week i would kms.

>>23384200
>half of Super-1 is about monsters pushing toddlers off of tricycles
I've never seen it but that sounds pretty funny

>>23384170
It's considered a decent show by everyone except /krg/ anons and their Japanese equivalents.

Stop shitting on Super-1, he has suffered enough, the yakuza stole his henshin belt and the actor just fucking vanished.

Why did such a cool suit deserve such a terrible fate?

>>23384203
That was several years after Super-1 ended.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but here's my basic understanding of the timeline:
After Kamen Rider Stronger, they took a break to get the Super Sentai series started, then did a soft-reboot of Kamen Rider, which ended up being known as Skyrider. Then they did Super-1, which was poorly received, and Kamen Rider stopped producing regular TV episodes (aside from the aforementioned ZX special) until finally returning with Kamen Rider Black.
Does that sound about right?

>>23384170
No, it's bad. Skip it.

>>23384176
>>23384178
It does not. the Q1 is just as bad as the rest of the show.

>>23384181
That's false, revice starts as a dumpster fire and ends as a dumpster fire.

>>23384222
>That was several years after Super-1 ended.
And ZX was so bad it also didn't result in renewed interest, yes

>>23384185
Episode 6.

>>23384219
The cooler a suit is, the worse its show is. That's been true since the Showa era, it's why V3 and Stronger are the best Showa shows.

>>23384178
It's worse than Super-1 and had a bad Q1.

>>23384212
No, everyone hates it.

>>23384170
>was thinking of trying Revice, was it good?
Don't. It's the actual worst rider show and just a bad show in general. Just skip it.

>>23384191
>>23384203
The ZX special wasn't a show pilot like people tend to propagate. ZX's stuff was mostly radio dramas and magazine stories both before and after the special. The gap after Super-1 however wasn't due to lack of popularity, it wasn't good but the desire for quality by Tohru Hirayama was simply not a very high bar.

The big issue was mostly timeslots and there were already agreements for this Japan Action Club sponsored co-production starring the founder's most accomplished protege at that point - some little sci-fi romp about a space cop named Gavin or something. Ishinomori was busy with Genma Wars at the time (in particular, during the pre-production period of that show he was reaching the final act of the manga and wanted it done before anything else) so there was no creative competition to put forth a new Kamen Rider - thus when that JAC-sponsored production was wrapping up, there was no bidding space for Kamen Rider in the same time slot, so they just made a sequel, and so on, and that resulted in what we now call Metal Heroes.

That little stint only lasted a few years anyway, as Ishinomori was asked to come up with a reboot production... and they kinda ignored a lot of his ideas after the initial pitch and even got the same guy who designed the hero of that JAC-sponsored show (Galactic Cop Gary or something) to redesign Ishinomori's concept and by that point he didn't care to participate any further. Toei was now trying to juggle three properties simultaneously with Black, Metalder, and Maskman.

The experiment to reintroduce Kamen Rider simply didn't go well, and Hirayama refused to participate in trying to give it any further shot after Ishinomori gave his blessings to a parody show, meaning it was a "dead" property while Ishinomori stuck his animanga properties and Toei stuck with the Metal Heroes team. Super-1 and ZX were irrelevant to the equation, frankly Stronger had a more damning effect due to the timeslot change fucking ratings.

>>23384174
So what I'm getting for this is that Bocca isn't getting a backstory, either Jeebh or Lizel are getting backstabbed and they'll barely touch upon on how the Granute World operates in the last episode.
I'm fine with all of that except for the backstabbing because I want both of them to get a proper fight.

>>23384243
What site is that? I only remember these two getting posted here

How is Komura's redo of Bima?

>>23384223
>>23384225
>>23384227
>>23384237
>>23384243
>>23384257
Get a life, loser.

>>23384260
Oh no someone who actually knows what theyre talking about

>>23384170
starts off interesting enough, fucks everything up and is massively wasted potential though. Other shows have highs and lows but it just keeps getting worse after a point which is frustrating
also has a schizo on here obsessed with it, not sure if Revice ruined his life or something but he will insist that it's the worth thing invented by man if you say anything remotely positive about it kek

>>23384265
Why do you defend kinoshita's crap?

>>23384269
It has no highs, it's just lows. There is nothing interesting about it.

>>23384270
I'm not, I'm criticizing your chronic need to shitpost, obnoxious faggot.

>>23384275
hey man I hope you find peace in your life some day

Shouma's becoming a true Stomach.

>>23384260
Thank you, I was aware of the radio dramas and the timeslot changes of Stronger but I wasn't aware about what Ishinomori did during that period

>>23384260
Well why did Metal Heroes die

>>23384282
Three bad shows in a row.

>>23384260
Additionally, while ZX's radio stuff and magazine works were still around during the gap, there were numerous hero shows and crossover events that are lost media focused on already established Kamen Riders. Toei also was experimenting heavily with new tokusatsu heroes constantly because most of them weren't meant to be long term franchises but instead actor portfolio fillers and production team make-work. The biggest example of this is the Toei Fushigi Comedy, which Ishinomori was HEAVILY involved in and also conveniently filled the "Kamen Rider gap" of the mid-80s. With four different franchises to juggle across a limited number of timeslots and stations, it's just common sense that Toei won't constantly be carrying all of them, especially when one is a sole-creator property they have less creative authority over (something that was always a point of contention between Ishinomori and Toei as far back as Goranger).

>>23384282
There's a few reasons but there's no core "This is the issue" thing because Kamen Rider and Super Sentai have had most of the same ones lately and they're still going strong. The biggest ones are that the JAC were losing "political" power with Toei, stuntmen were just not the focus anymore compared to dubiously athletic models, and the last few Metal Heroes shows were indistinguishable from the Fushigi Comedy stuff, which pushed the question of why keep both of those properties.

At the same time, Shirakura had been making power plays using the "lack" of Kamen Rider, with Jetman and Zyuranger under his belt he had the political sway to get the three Movie Riders and convicne Ishinomori to look back into the property again, bequeathing it to his student Masato Hayase and Shirakura's creative agent Tsuyoshi Nonaka, while Shirakura commissioned Takatera (who was very influential at the time) to act as the final driving force to justify renovating their IPs, before he took over with Agito and give himself a permanent anchor.

(1/2)

>>23384286
I thought the original B-Fighter did well, pic related was the actual last Metal Heroes show.

>>23384282
After the radical shift of the last two shows being similar to Robocon they decided to straight up do a Robocon reboot. At the same time Ishinomori was looking for someone to accept his new Kamen Rider pitch, since Toei hadn't decided what would replace Robocon they greenlit the show that would become Kuuga. Kamen Rider undergoing an extremely experimental phase that allowed to do wild varied themes but still having a better brand identity than Metal Heroes and Ryukendo coming out forcing Hibiki to go from a Henshin Ninja Arashi reboot to the next Kamen Rider season pretty much solidified that Kamen Rider would become a lasting franchise like Super Sentai while Metal Heroes couldn't.

>>23384306
This is the real last Metal Heroes show.

>>23384301
>>23384286
Now one might ask:
>"Why wouldn't Shirakura just make his power play through Metal Heroes if it was the strong horse when he was entering Toei?"
As stated before, Metal Heroes was mainly part of a way to get JAC (becoming JAE soon after Shirakura's big break and were losing power) hopefuls into showbiz by showing off their stunt and acting skills. When Sonny Chiba stepped down, he handed off power to Osamu Kaneda. Kaneda, while lacking the full casting power of the JAC, was always a force to be reckoned with because of his seniority and favored treatment and kept a very strong influence on Toei by always being able to threaten to withhold stuntcrew (who were at that point more than half of the production). He'd have to get through an iron wall, effectively.

He couldn't do the Fushigi Comedy route because that was a mix of Ishinomori and the Saburo Yatsude anonymous clique of Toei writers, who also all had seniority (Imagine trying to go up against an entire pack of Inoues). His only angle was Super Sentai, with admittedly VERY strong successes but nothing that couldn't be seen as flukes without two things:
1. Amemiya, a creative hopeful
2. Power Rangers, a creative decision that made Toei VERY fast money for VERY little work
From there, he had enough Sentai power to at least SUGGEST thigns to the more influential Sentai creatives.

Kamen Rider had no creatives left - Ishinomori wanted to do God's War and his other projects, Hirayama had cast off Kamen Rider entirely. So by using those two points of power, he could convince Toei to let him work with their subsidiary Toei Video for some Kamen Rider movies for some money. In spite of Western rumors, none of the movies did so poorly so as to result in rewrites from the original trilogy idea - Amemiya and Shirakura just changed their midns and liked the idea of an anthology better. It was cheaper and it meant they could be more guerrilla in production.
(Was 2/2, now 2/3, it's a lot of lore!)

Sachika's actress is too damn cute, I hope she gets a stable acting career but doesn't gets typecasted too much, she seems talented enough to do both serious and Genki characters: https://twitter.com/trendicon_info/status/1944366195807007128

>>23384170
Don't waste your time.

>>23384307
>Ryukendo coming out forcing Hibiki to go from a Henshin Ninja Arashi reboot to the next Kamen Rider
I think this is reversed, because the Hibiki we got was nothing like the reboot they were planning.

The Great Producer of Dai-Toei, Ohma Shira-P-sama, will kill Rider like he killed Metal Hero and is currently killing Sentai.

>>23384322
>In spite of Western rumors, none of the movies did so poorly so as to result in rewrites from the original trilogy idea - Amemiya and Shirakura just changed their midns and liked the idea of an anthology better. It was cheaper and it meant they could be more guerrilla in production.
Fucked up they changed their mind if there was somehow clear interest to see how Shin would continue

>>23384301
>>23384307
(3/3)
So Ishinomori himself wasn't shopping for chances to pitch Kamen Rider. He saw a completed God's War as his magnum opus and it was his hyperfixation. He helped with creative concepts for Shin/ZO/J as basically a "I know what Kamen Rider is and it's my property, I'll opine but I'm too busy to be a direct creator." This is why there's not much in the way of Ishinomori concept art or even an Ishinomori script (the oldest script is Jun'ichi Miyashita's "Kamen Rider fanboy gets converted by Shocker" pitch that Ishinomori and Shirakura agreed was a bit too on the nose).

But due to the low budget of this guerrilla set of productions (No-name actors, very little direct action stuntwork meaning VERY little required interaction with JAC-turning-JAE, a very key move to show that Toei could put out production without letting them squat on properties too hard), Shirakura proved successful enough with Kamen Rider to give Ishinomori the idea that it should keep GOING, even if he wasn't working on it.

He tasked Masato Hayase with it because Hayase was his student, as well as Tsuyoshi Nonaka due to Nonaka's competence and his success with Zyuranger - which was a lucky move, because Nonaka was on Shirakura's team due to Power Rangers making him set for life.

With a new stable of creatives, they could create a production Shirakura could let work idly while he built up more rep with Toei with a fully original, minimal JAE set of productions with Hakaider and Changerion - which resulted in a promotion in 1997. This promotion gave Shirakura the space to convince Toei's most influential and simultaneously "radical" producer at the time, Takatera, to help produce this new Kamen Rider that "destroyed" the old image, resulting a revitalization that he could then follow up on because Takatera rarely ever did multiple seasons in a row.

>>23384326
From what I understood it went like this, but I'm going from memory so I might be wrong
>Takatera didn't like how every Rider season since Ryuki had a focus on Rider VS Rider, feeling that the franchise was loosing sight of its identity
>Wanted to make a reboot of Henshin Ninja Arashi, since many staffers liked that Ishinomori toku. Hibiki using soundwaves to rewrite his DNA structure in his transformation is a remnant of this
>Leaks started circulating very early on in pre-production that We've Inc was going to enter tokusatsu business with a ninja toku with lots of heroes, due to the similitude to Hibiki they decided to walk back and make it an original IP known as Ongeki Rider Hibiki, this is how Hibiki was known for most of its pre-production and Early production
>Last minute higher-ups decided to change the title to Kamen Rider Hibiki so that it gets a boost from brand recognition which was why Hibiki felt from different from any prior toku and why Hibiki didn't have a bike license in the first few episodes

>>23384339
It was the tactical move. If they did the full trilogy, they'd have to escalate productions, pay the cast more, etc. Right after Shin Kamen Rider was the incredibly low budget Kamen Rider vs Ultraman which existed IIRC purely for makework for Tsuburaya's execs and a select few Saburo Yatsudes (though Shirakura was an AP on it). It made barely any money, so there would be no seed investment for Shin 2 and 3. Instead, doing an anthology of three different takes on Kamen Rider "reboots" with lower and lower budgets until J had a broom closet and just brought in a previous Toei toku actor for the lead, saved enough money that all three movies could succeed.

Is it a bit cruel we'll never see more Shin as a result? Kinda, but if that happened, Kamen Rider likely wouldn't exist and the Fushigi Comedy-Metal Heroes homogenization would probably have finalized into 20+ years of very bland Robocon-meets-Byclosser iterations.

>>23384361
>Takatera didn't like how every Rider season since Ryuki had a focus on Rider VS Rider, feeling that the franchise was loosing sight of its identity
Based Takatera, he knows whats up. Shame it didn't stick.

>>23384286
Goddamn, three kabuto protagonists in a row.

>>23384364
I guess you can blame hibiki's failure for the influx of rider vs rider.

>>23384307
(Also from >>23384351)
The Arashi thing is a lot of made up stuff.

Yeah, there was plans for an Arashi reboot... that lasted basically down to a concept art phase before being phased out because Kamen Rider WAS making money and pulling back on that for a less-than-popular Toei IP to follow the burgeoning trend of old property reboots in one of their main timeslots was a suicidal idea. Kamen Rider Hibiki was always going to be a "Kamen Rider" from the design's inception which was months before the end of Blade (which is just the normal production pipeline for Kamen Rider, it happens even now). People cite the "Ongeki Rider" image but most don't remember it's a toy catalog leak and it was a code name, no different than how Zeztz's codename was "Metal Rider."

Additionally, plenty of Kamen Riders used old Toei properties as a sort of staging ground (A practice Hayase got from Ishinomori himself, who could walk into a meeting room and draft up a design in an hour because he used basically a hero design equivalent of Tezuka's star system). Anyone who's seen the leaked OOO concept art knows it was directly channeling design cues from Choujin Bibyun before things finalized, for example.

>>23384367
And each more boring than the last, and the first B-Fighter was very boring.

>>23384369
Oh, forgot an added detail actually, since it's gonna come up:

No, the Arashi armor that shows up in Hibiki was not actually secretly the original suit for the original production. Takatera himself has mentioned on Kaiju Radio said it's based on the concept art but the suit itself was never made in preproduction, and while he wasn't privvy to the events of what was happening in the early retool stages, he suspects they were going through concept art and thought it was cool.

>>23384301
>>23384322
>>23384351
Thank you anon, it was an interesting read
>Shirakura proved successful enough with Kamen Rider to give Ishinomori the idea that it should keep GOING, even if he wasn't working on it
I'm curious, I had heard once that Ishinomori tried pitching a Rider season similar to X-Files to Tsubaraya and that Kuuga working with cops was a remnant of this concept, was this made up
>It made barely any money, so there would be no seed investment for Shin 2 and 3
I thought Shin was financially successful, or are you referring to the KR VS Ultraman not making much money

Should they try to relaunch old Toku shows using rider like they did with Fourze trough Gaim?

>>23384379
>I'm curious, I had heard once that Ishinomori tried pitching a Rider season similar to X-Files to Tsubaraya and that Kuuga working with cops was a remnant of this concept, was this made up
Ishinomori was talking Kamen Rider options with anyone who'd talk to him, Batman vs Kamen Rider was in the negotiations stage in the 90s for example.

As for Kuuga, Ishinomori had zero influence on it. He gave full carte blanche on "The new Kamen Rider" to Hayase and Nonaka not long after J's production ended. Due to J's nature theme, Hayase and Nonaka wanted to make their own nature-themed Kamen Rider named "Gaia." The issue is, right when they came up with that, they heard from someone at Tsuburaya through Nonaka's connections their next Ultraman was going by that name. Out of respect, they quietly shelved the property (though Hayase did use it for a creative property later when it wouldn't interfere with Ultraman) and moved onto Kamen Rider "XV" (Pronounced "Cross-Vee") and "Kawakami" which we know nothing about beyond names. It wasn't until then that they started working around different designs and came up with the beetle format and thus Ku(wa)ga(ta) was born. Even if Ishinomori wanted to influence the production, by the time they hit even "XV," Ishinomori was on his deathbed.

Before anyone makes assumptions, pic related is not XV or Kawakami, it's a different concept for an unrelated project called Kamen Rider U7. This set of concept art also includes "Kamen Rider Lady" and "Kamen Rider Leon." The context of these designs are vague, but nothing has established them as being concepts pre-or-post XV/Kawakami, though bits of U7's design do show up in a concept design in one of Kuuga's art books (specifically the uneven headcrest).

A lot of this used to be very common knowledge among Anglophonic toku fans, but the recent newer generations and the balkanization of information has resulted in a lot of it being forgotten or completely revised.

We’re overdue for another Comedy season.

>>23384406
There's no real space for them. While there are more stations and online streaming is proving financially viable, Toei are old-hat and prefer traditional methods. They'd need to establish entire new frameworks for hero properties and somehow make them not compete or interfere with their other shows. They barely manage it with just Kamen Rider and Super Sentai as it is, and even that required a complete schedule change for Kamen Rider to avoid them cannibalizing each others' premiere sales.

>>23384406
Reboots should stand on their own feet.

>>23384406
None of them worked out, did they? I don't see why they would try it again, but I do think they should.

>>23384369
>Yeah, there was plans for an Arashi reboot... that lasted basically down to a concept art phase before being phased out because Kamen Rider WAS making money and pulling back on that for a less-than-popular Toei IP to follow the burgeoning trend of old property reboots in one of their main timeslots was a suicidal idea. Kamen Rider Hibiki was always going to be a "Kamen Rider" from the design's inception which was months before the end of Blade
The non-Rider Toku concept actually made it further than that and some of the stuff conceived during that phase of the project made it to Hibiki proper. Hibiki's suit design was indeed conceived as a Rider from the start, though.

>>23384362
I didn't realize J was a lower budget, but I guess it was.
Shot mostly outside
Like four actors
No helicopters used for anything besides footage

>>23384446
>>23384362
I forget wasn't J filmed in like 3 months or something due to filming getting halted at some point?

>>23384369
>from the design's inception which was months before the end of Blade (which is just the normal production pipeline for Kamen Rider, it happens even now)
I still wonder about this cause toy production from factory to store isn't as instant as everyone things. Like it takes two years of Production to make a Transformer toy. That's a puzzle toy, and also it's sold all around the world, so for Rider which is just like a sword with a sound chip, and only sold in Asia, like, what, six months?

>>23384446
>Filming took place over 20 days, roughly half the time of ZO, and was done on location in places that could be reached from Tokyo in a day, such as Okutama . [ 8 ]
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%BB%AE%E9%9D%A2%E3%83%A9%E3%82%A4%E3%83%80%E3%83%BCJ

>>23384451
It was actually filmed in less than a month.

>>23384446
Honestly the best example of how the budget dropped is comparing the "iconic" transformation sequences of the three Riders.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r2-cTSAJlw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3hkRQl7Lks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Q9Ed8Xj1iw

Shin's is a gruesome, 2 and a half minute long sequence insane practical effects and ambience on a well-lit night-time scene. ZO's is a quick and dirty one but it's after a particularly ambitious fight sequence with some good direction on a big, well-lit set with detailed props, and features some puppetry and suitmation as a flourish.
J's is about 15 seconds in a dimly lit broom closet with no real effect to it or suit flourish beyond a fancy "J" effect after the transformation and otherwise very minimal post-production.
Mostly because this all happened in the span of like three weeks' filming time to keep money as tight as possible. And again, Shin and ZO had no-names but they were still put to work. J's is just Geki from Zyuranger, and when you do that kind of tightfisted casting you know no one's seeing sizeable check. Imagine a Shin 3 with that kind of guerrilla filmmaking, it'd have easily killed the franchise.

just got into kamen rider (kuuga) and i'm left wondering why it's on /m/ when there's no mecha.

>>23384467
J's set actually isnt that bad on the Blu-Ray, they do good work. The 20 days of filming I assume isn't taking into account stuff like, the time it took for people to make the suits/sets.
Is J the only Rider who doesn't get his powers in a way that's related to the main enemy

>>23384452
>I still wonder about this cause toy production from factory to store isn't as instant as everyone things.
A lot of the toy design is handled by Bandai and PLEX's internal teams, who've been doing all of this for decades and are very efficient. You only need to do the molds, set the LEDs, record the voicelines, and program the chips once and then you just send out the manuals for that to the factories and they'll do it. Transformers is a bit slower mainly because of licensing. If Bandai wants to put out a toku toy, they go through either just themselves or themselves and Hasbro. Transformers licensing is a fucking zoo and they all have different standards. Especially after so much of the creative power went across the Atlantic.

>>23384480
So do we have some actual source of how long it takes to make a Rider belt from idea to store shelf

>>23384471
It's a legacy holdover due to a mix of many names in mecha also showing up in tokusatsu, the original Kamen Riders being cyborgs, many modern Kamen Riders having robots, it being a sibling franchise to Super Sentai which DOES have mecha in all but two seasons, and /m/ being effectively the Japanese sci-fi board. The unofficial rule of /m/ is "If it's in an Uchusen magazine it's allowed here."

>>23384487
You can infer a measure based on when toy meetings are held vs when store owners confirm they've got the toys. CraneJoe used to do this but he stopped years ago, now he just posts invoice info. The pipeline is typically 4-5 months on the long end. Mind you as well, Bandai uses local factories for their demographics to speed up production.

>>23384478
>The 20 days of filming I assume isn't taking into account stuff like, the time it took for people to make the suits/sets.
This is usually all done at the same time to save time. Have face actors do their scenes while the prop department make the suits and the stunt team plan out the action stuff. You can also just film out of order so as to give the prop department time.

>>23384452
Judging by Hibiki's productiom history and the leaked blueprints of the Holy Wing Vistamp, yeah, it takes Bandai about 6 months from finalized concept/prototype to actual release.

Did they not have a good idea that Black was going to continue into Black RX and might just end at Black, and that's why Black ended with all his supporting cast being banished to San Francisco never to return, and why Black RX had a monster suit that looked really suspiciously like a final form monster suit for Shadow Moon?

>>23384516
Black was made as a complete show and RX wasn't well thought out so there are a bunch a mis-mashed ideas that don't come together.

>>23384487
>Design document: September 10th, 2021
>Early magazine reveal: February 23rd, 2022
>Toy's release date: March 12th, 2022

>>23384516
Ishinomori didn't even want to do a Black sequel, the ending of the manga being a straightforward very bad end was kind of a signal he wanted it to have closure within its own work without a sequel. The show was effectively helmed entirely by the Metal Heroes faction of Toei, which is the main reason why he has two different laser sword finishers and a gun. Black and RX were effectively an experiment to see if Kamen Rider could hold up and justify space alongside Super Sentai, Metal Heroes, and Fushigi Comedy. At the time, it simply couldn't.

>>23384532
>Black was made as a complete show
Well I mean the ending is 50% a clip show.
So it almost feels like they had an idea for a actual ending that they ended up not doing, or even properly setting up Black Rx even, it just feels like shit wasn't planned to continue

>>23384537
Finalized design or the idea of the design

>>23384539
>two different laser sword finishers
One is a rod he uses to stab and one is a sword he uses to slash
I'm sure this felt justified to someone

>>23384532
Do we REALLY not know why he contains all elements of a monster Shadow Moon besides the boots?
It's like Another Agito containing all the elements of just being a Locust Lord, even having the angel wings on the back and the same mouth as a bunch of the other ones, but no he's just literally another Agito and shares no design elements with Gills or Agito lol don't think about it

>>23384547
I don't see any differences between it and the final toy, do you?

>>23384301
>>23384322
>>23384351
>>23384408
Thanks a lot for this. I remember reading excerpts of this on one of those half-production half-biography books somebody put out ages and ages ago, but I always forget exactly how it went during that "lull" period of Rider. Especially due to Ishinomori pumping out Rider ideas every other day and having mountains of concepts that ultimately never really went anywhere.
It's not too surprising that after decades, the "loose papers/concepts" Ishinomori had laying around would get misconstrued.
>Fushigi Comedy
I really have trouble with that one. I think it's the equivalent of some random kids shows they aired in my country, where they always changed it up and rotated writers to do quite literally whatever. What puzzles me is why was Ishinomori seemingly really involved with some of those series. Confuses me more than Robocon did.

>>23384558
Sorry. I said from idea, like the production phase where they're thinking about what it'll even do.

Two Revice-related suits sacrificed for Gavv's movie suits.

>>23384557
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%BB%AE%E9%9D%A2%E3%83%A9%E3%82%A4%E3%83%80%E3%83%BCBLACK_RX
Ctrl+f "デスガロン" yourself, you can see he's barely even mentioned. If there were anything of note, it'd be here.
>even having the angel wings on the back
The wings on the back are a reference to Kamen Rider 1's back having wings on them.

>>23384575
No, every single other Lord has wings on their back too, in the same spot as Another Agito. If he's a reference then so are they

>>23384562
>I really have trouble with that one
It's nothing complex. Toei built up a stable of different writers who were into speculative sci-fi and overall mystery stuff. Ishinomori was also a very creative guy. The Toei Fushigi Comedy series gave them an outlet for all of that that let them put out work without having to rely on JAC as much (if at all, in some cases). Most of the writers and directors for Kamen Rider have Fushigi Comedy heritage, either by being members of that faction or by learning from them.

>>23384575
>>23384581

I mean if you were gonna make a Locust Lord, and all the Lords have wings on their back anyway, why wouldn't you make it a Kamen Rider 1 reference

>>23384557
Huh
Maybe it was gonna be a random monster of the week but they thought it was too cool.
Unless toys were released at the same time as his appearance

Are Lords also Agitos? It's been a long time since I've seen it

>>23384557
>and shares no design elements with Gills or Agito
He's green and organic-looking like Gills, his belt looks like a fucked up fusion of Gills' and Agito's, his bracelets and anklets look like fucked up versions of Agito's, his golden faceplate looks like a fucked up version of Agito's fully opened one, he has a black gem on his chest like Agito but his has a deformed shape, and his insignia, which is a deformed version of Agito's, is right there on his left arm.

>>23384571
Good, they were ugly trash anyway.

>>23384532
The two kingstone belt is the dead giveaway this was supposed to be Shadowmoon.

>>23384593
i wonder how many new audience they will get with zeztz. would they even give the franchise a chance if they saw the previous rider designs.

>>23384516
Although Black RX was a direct sequel story-wise, it's clear they still wanted it as a clean jumping in point for any viewers. Thus making mostly a standalone story with a very different atmosphere. It had the same producers, but for main writer in RX Takashi Edzure, who did the final arc of Skyrider (among many other episodes, but he wasn't the main writer initially) and the main writer of Super-1.

He -really- doesn't care about continuity. Even in Skyrider he introduces a completely new backstory setting up the final arc, which clearly lined up with what production wanted out of RX anyway, for it to be mostly independent.

>>23384532
>>23384557

We kind of know. Deathgaron was designed by Keita Amemiya with the visual motif of a Rider.

Now, that's just in his own design notes, from his own artbook. It's not clear production itself ever intended for Death Garon to be more than a monster of the week. But Amemiya did design him to be Riderish.

>>23384557
>It's like Another Agito containing all the elements of just being a Locust Lord, even having the angel wings on the back and the same mouth as a bunch of the other ones
The Agitos and Lords come from basically the same source of power, the Overlord of Light is either some sort of brother to the Overlord of Darkness or the 4th El Lord, the El of the Fire.

>>23384539
>Black and RX were effectively an experiment to see if Kamen Rider could hold up and justify space alongside Super Sentai, Metal Heroes, and Fushigi Comedy. At the time, it simply couldn't.
There's also the whole "producer angry that Ishinomori was ok with Kamen Norida" stuff. We know they went far enough they had started casting trials for the next Rider show that ended up not happening, Ryouhei Kobayashi (who plays FiveBlack from Fiveman) mentioned he originally auditioned for the leading role of the next Rider tv show after Black RX.

Although, unlike mentioned before, it wasn't Hirayama. He last worked with Rider in ZX, the producer here was Yoshikawa Susumu. He did go back to producing Rider a few years laters with the 90s movies though.

>>23384659
So why (I dont remember) was Agito so refined, when as you can see here >>23384612 Another Agito looks like a Monster of the Week and Gills like a cross between the two

>>23384658
>Even in Skyrider he introduces a completely new backstory setting up the final arc
Wasn't SkyRider the one that was gonna be a reboot and then they decided later it was gonna be the same continuity

>>23384658
What's that tits out monster from

>>23384463
>Black Sun and Shadow Moon for Black Sun image
>Only Revi for Revice
I know Vice is basically just a talking autovajin but come on. They've never treated Revice's double rider gimmick well at all.

>>23384571
as if any rider alt form that isn't den-o would ever make a post-series appearance.

>>23383864
Looks cool as hell, but it literally just Xross Sabers child with Rouge Crocodile.
Also its good to see the movie will have some stakes and be cool, even if its still a shame that its another AU film. I was hoping the idea of Shomas granute grandpa being the villain would be true as it would tie better to the main show, just like last years summer film.

>>23384612
You know I never really thought about it, but after what you and other people have said, it really does look like a Lord version of Agito, rather than another Rider like Agito or Gills

>>23384091
Lizel is gonna die first. Keep in mind the other Stomachs who have died are women. Komura really wants to get rid of the girls first because they are "weaker" than the men, so I have no doubt Lizel will die. Though maybe Jeebh kills her in a fit of rage instead of the main crew. Thats gonna make Bocca extra mad and go apeshit. Which will make him cause more casualties, but also make him so blind with rage the Gavv crew can find an opening to kill him.

>>23384671
Daiyougen - Fukatsu no Kyoujin
Fatal Prediction: Return of The Huge Destroyer apparently is the official translated name

Original Toei movie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F71WGlElyfc

>>23384666
Gills and Another Agito are imperfect Agitos, some people just don't take the Seed of Agito as well as others. Mental condition might have something to do with it as well, since Ashihara and Kino were heavily traumatized before their powers began to manifest.

Also according to Shirakura, Another Agito looks different depending on the kind of person looking at him:
>>In "Kamen Rider Agito," Another Agito is also a type/kind of Agito, and his appearance changes depending on the person. It seems that Makoto Hikawa, a G3 wearer who was looking at Agito with a pure heart/mind, saw Another Agito look the same as a normal Agito.

>>23384674
>Bundled with a streaming ver of Geats FS
Gotsharts keep failing

>>23384678
Yeah it bothers my autism a lot that Amazons and Revice which allude to two Riders in their titles didn't have Alpha and Vice, but Black Sun for whatever reason needed to include Shadow Moon. Not even including Rider 2 and Riderman from their respective shows makes it even more retarded.

>>23384687
Lizel seems stronger than Nyelv and Jiip.

>>23384516
>>23384532
Shadowmoon should stay metal. The organic look doesn't look that good and I take it as a mechagodzilla approach.

>>23384669
Yeah, although they use the name "Neo-Shocker" initially they specifically talk about how they're already in control of most of the world and only Japan is slow due to Skyrider. Tsukuba Hiroshi's origin also was a direct remake of Hongo's, with the whole "captured by evil organization and turned into a cyborg against his will, but saved by a regretful scientist before the brainwashing". Only difference is that the scientist survives since he also takes the "club owner" role Tachibana had in the original.

Then 20 or so episodes later Stronger arrives after one episode teasing him and it turns out the past Riders had been facing the monsters in other countries all along and the stuff about Neo-Shocker controlling most of the world is silently dropped.

>>23384695
Nice cope

Since we know a Kabuto 20th movie is happening, when are we thinking it's going to release?

>>23384690
What the fuck
Was it good

>>23384726
How the hell did Saber's shitty line do barely worse than literal Geats, where people were buying multiple desire drivers out of neccesity/consoomersim

>>23384738
next year

>>23383870
Pizza

>>23384813
Because the Swordriver, Caliburdriver and Xross Saber were that good.

>>23384813
Apparently Chinks liked Saber

>>23384612
Agito had such peak designs

>>23384813
>>23384841
Those are just Japanese toy sales.

It's really because Geats has an oddly low Q4. I guess due to delaying the Q3 P Bandai stuff you ended up with a lot of merch only coming out after the show was over (Most P Bandai merch is announced months before their actual launch date).

>>23384849
>(Most P Bandai merch is announced months before their actual launch date).
Shipping date is irrelevant, the toys are bought when the pre-orders open.

>>23384856
How does she look younger

>>23384849
>It's really because Geats has an oddly low Q4
I noticed that King-Ohger's sales around that same time period also spontaneously nosedived, did Japan's economy take a hit or something during that time?

>>23384863
>>23384867
Cute!!

>>23384843
>>23384612
Gold main form protagonist Rider again when?

>>23384695
The belt is not inside but outside?

>>23384931
Sorry didn't mean to quote anyone

>>23384934
The bar has been set

How can I defeat the red Gavv once and for all?

>>23384934
>Rules and guidelines basically saying fuck you Ben, Matt Cunt, and IzDisNameTaken
Lol lmao

>>23384939
give him diabetus

>>23384934
I don't understand this properly, do the forums for color and lemon have a hoyoschizo spamming?

>>23384940
I didn't see that, where was it? I don't think I've heard of IzDisNameTaken, I assume he's a twitterschizo?

>>23384945
A twitter user, yes.
https://twitter.com/IzDisNameTaken/status/1944411377210192196

I wonder if this place is going to be filled with tourist when Zeztz starts up?

>>23384950
>dbs banner
So he's a faggot

>>23384952
There's usually an uptick of new posters when a new season starts, which usually goes down each week after.

>>23384950
I'm not going to click that, either way did he really say fuck you to twitterschizos? I thought western schizos didn't reach Chinese forums
Either way based color

>>23384952
Most likely yes. But even if we do we already have too many annoying schizos, I expect that even though we could get some annoying newfags, what will be more annoying is them enabling the pre-established no-life schizos even harder

>>23384959
>pre-established no-life schizos even harder
Speaking of where IS the Sabore Anon. I've not seen him in a thread in a while.

>>23384956
Dbs and its fans can't be that bad.

>>23384959
I really hope we don't get a influx of Twitter and redditrads. especially if Zeztz is shit because the western normalfag fanbase tends to eat up the biggest slop and that's going to cause this place to go too shit even worse then normal

>>23384970
Pretty sure he was the OP of that recently deleted thread when Zeztz's 2nd teaser was released. I'm guessing he was the one responsible with the pro and anti Komura and Takahashi posting as well.

>>23383899
So? Base revice is okay, although the upgrades were atrocious

>>23384978
I know the big batch of schizos we got during Zero-One were from Reddit back when temporarily shut down for a few days, but have we ever gotten any notable twitterschizo besides tokustats? I feel that the average person from twitter is either too much of a snowflake or so mentally ill that they usually stick exclusively to /v/.

>>23384973
nta, I don't know about other sites but at least here in 4chan they're the biggest blight from /a/, followed by the schizo central that is the Weekly Shonen Jump generals on /a/ where some discord group took over the threads and the jannies do nothing about it for whatever reason, pretty much every manga/anime from that magazine is completely indiscussable.

>>23384973
Oh, anon. You really don't know how bad the dbs community is. You look at something like /dbs/ on /a/ and think it's a isolated thing but once you dive enough you'll learn that's just how the community is overall. It's either a bunch of shounen normalfag tourist or schizos.

>>23383958
I don't think he survives, the way Shouma said "Taorin's wish" in the trailer sounds like the guy didn't make it alive.

>>23384062
Nyelv/jiiph/lizel probably survive until V-cinema. That leaves lango, Bocca and possibly K.

>>23384079
but it could've been better

>>23385013
>and possibly K
Anon, I...

>>23385003
The guy who sperges against Saber is a twitteruser.

>>23384154
>ad hominem only allowed for non-gavv opinions
Stay mad, hater.

>>23385019
I was going to say he wasn't but if he's indeed >>23384983, after checking that thread, the schizo who made that thread clearly was from twitter

>>23384219
That was cursed year, Sun Vulcan was middling with one of the actors immediately dying after the show ended causing one of the actors get depressed, become mentally ill, who then proceded to become a child pornography distributor and Super-1 was bad with the protagonist later becoming a scammer.
St least for the quality of the show's themselves I blame the staff having burnout for Sun Vulcan and for Super-1 I blame Edzure not being a good writer + plus sponsors having way more of say with Rider back then

>>23385003
>Jump generals on /a/ where some discord group took over the threads and the jannies do nothing about it for whatever reason
Because jannies actually are the ones doing alot lf the schizo posting. I remember someone was spamming black cuck shit in a thread and every post calling it out and pointing out that a janny was doing it got deleted while the cuck spam stayed up

>>23385038
My god, that is so ass backwards of what jannies are supposed to do. It's mindboggling.

>>23384658
It'll never happen because he has other priorities with Garo, but I would love for Amemiya to design some main guys for Rider at some point, maybe some input for them too. His stuff is way too cool.
Amemiya with some other chuuni writer would be great for a standalone movie or TTFC thing.

K is not real.

>>23385050
Didn't Tsukada do a standalone Kaiju toku for TTFC? I would love to see Amemiya do a standalone toku or a Rider mini-series there.
I'm surprised that they don't do short standalone stuff on TTFC more often, I guess they don't want it to overlap with Outsiders?

>>23385064
>I guess they don't want it to overlap with Outsiders?
We don't even hear anything new about Outsiders and it's already past half of 2025.
Though there will be an announcement after Boon Violet special but nothing.

>>23385064
Failed. It got a webtoon and a joke appearance in that Onsen Sentai Old Man Band Group.

>>23385050
>It'll never happen because he has other priorities with Garo
He didn't even direct recent Garo entries for the last few years until the upcoming Taiga movie, he only credited as original creator for every entries but the directors are different.

>>23384222
>Then they did Super-1, which was poorly received
It should be noted that Skyrider didn't provide the strongest start since it needed the Seven Legendary Riders coming in to keep it afloat. They also considered introducing a Kamen Rider V9 in that show.

>>23385057
Geats was more consistently fun, Gavv has been boring for a while now.

>>23385064
>Didn't Tsukada do a standalone Kaiju toku for TTFC?
Yeah Gallas, but it wasn't popular enough so it didn't get any episodes past the first one and instead got turned into manga
It seems like Tsukada and Omori were the only people really trying to push doing specials and standalone stuff. But now that Tsukada is occupied with Samurai dramas and Omori left Toei, the only person left is Minato who right now only works on Rider stuff related to Foundation X and Shirakura who mostly cares about adult remainings for Kamen Rider and overseas projects. So unless Tsukada gets some free time to experiment again or another producer gets enough power in the company to pitch another experimental project like that and Mama League I don't think we will.

>>23385049
It's a common issue with the site and why people hate jannies so much. It's not like they even try and hide it either and even /m/ has the same issue.

>>23385082
>Geats was more consistently fun
In what fucking world? I remember being pissed off at the entire second half of Geats and seeing so many complaints every week when a new episode dropped. Not hating on Geats or anything, but this is just a retarded comment to make Gavv look worse than it is.

>>23384931
I'm surprised stuff like this gets leaked but color and lemon haven't really mentioned or described the final boss Rider aside from a P-Bandai belt existing.

>>23385082
Oh OK, Geats' premise is certainly better at keeping you at the edge of your seat than Gavv since that's Takahashi's specialty, but I find the hero cast, action and world-building despite the Granute world not being used as much as I would have liked better in Gavv than in Geats. The second half in Geats just made me dislike most of the cast, the story took a dip too with how rushed most of the progression felt from that point onwards too and I felt that the villains being from the future never added much. Also even though the Zaldyak and the Stomach are way simpler villains that Geats' I ended prefering them since with Geats it felt like the sponsors were introduced as if they were going to be far more then everything was rushed because they were acting simultaneously, while in Gavv they were introduced as genericly evil villains which while not that interesting it at least got the job better. Also Suel is my least favorite antagonist alongside the "True" Man and the Woman.

>>23385092
I don't know if there was something during Gavv that put them at risk recently because lately rather than posting leaks they wait until someone unrated does, then they confirm if it's real and sometimes add some extra info.

>>23385090
>I remember being pissed off at the entire second half of Geats and seeing so many complaints every week when a new episode dropped
It was fun, maybe not very well written, but it was fun.
>this is just a retarded comment to make Gavv look worse than it is.
How? I never said Geats was bad, that's your opinion, not mine.

>>23385082
>Geats was more consistently fun
No it was fucking not, that whole Keiwa bullshit was not fun at all and nothing was consistent with a bunch of plot points and villains shoved in the end. I'll take any Gavv villain any day over Suel's stupid shenanigans.

>>23385095
I do wonder if it's mainly because they've just completely moved on to Zeztz and don't really feel the need to spoil every single detail in Gavv since they've already leaked major plot points. But I really would've liked to see a description of Lango's Rider form if he is indeed the final boss.

>>23385101
>that whole Keiwa bullshit was not fun at all
And a lot of people disagree with you, including the target audience.

>>23385104
>since they've already leaked major plot points
While color indeed was the one who leaked the staff and setting comparisons, things like Yezz, Kenta Nitta being the suit actor, there forms' powers and the whole lucid dream thing were said by other people but comfirmed by color to be real, so it seems to be more of a general thing rather than moving on from Gavv at least in the case of color, I don't get why lemon can't draw the Gochizos for the final Rider at least since he already gave a vague description of the belt.

>>23385057
NTA, but I think Saber edges out Gavv not only because of the better overall cast but also because its Q2 to Q4 stretch is significantly better than Gavv's Q2 to Q4 stretch so far. Like yeah, Gavv as a whole is more "consistent", but most of it isn't as good as Q1 was and I feel somewhat disappointed because of that, whereas Saber is more consistently "great" and well paced, and seeing it improve from where it started as it went on was a pleasant surprise

But I get that this all boils down to what each individual values most when judging and experiencing the shows, some people will value overall consistency in their enjoyment more than the level of enjoyment itself (not saying this is your particular case though), and some people think having the "worst Q1 ever" is a massive flaw that may or may not ruin the show even though I think there isn't a single start that is nearly as bad as the worst middles and endings in this franchise.

>>23385111
>NEECHAN!!! *AUTISTIC SCREECHING*
>Daichi: ha ha tree of knowledge goes brrrrrrr

>>23384243
They're not even japanese, dumbfuck

>>23385135
I disagree a bit on the "well-paced", at least so far since I'm a bit worried about Gavv's last 6 episodes do worry me. I felt that everything regarding Falchion in Saber's Q3 felt messy. Also I guess I reason I prefer Gavv over every from Zi-O to Gotchard although I get why most people wouldn't care so much about this, is the side content. I felt that you needed to watch the side content for Saber to get the most of it since you wouldn't know that Ogami and Daishinji were from the same generation, why was Rintaro OK with Touma being a rider after episode 2, a more justifiable reason as to why Kento left making him temporarily die and some extra downtime for Rintaro to mourn Kento, also for me I didn't enjoy the Shindai brothers in any of the show's actual episodes aside from their top-notch fighting styles, but found them to be really enjoyable on the Zenkaiger side of the crossover and the Blu-ray Logos specials. Another reason I liked Gavv more is the setting which made the motw more interesting to me compared to the usual megid of the week.
But like you said it's down to the person's, I still enjoyed every season since Build except Revice and Gotchard and still found Saber to be a really great show, the cast is the best from Reiwa so far and I do agree that it has higher highs. I guess another reason I didn't find Gavv's second half not being as good as Q1 to be as disappointing is that I already knew what kind of expectations to have for the villain faction due to having watched Komura's Sentai, so it didn't hit me as hard as something like Geats' and Revice's second halves.

>>23385141
Don't care, Bujin Sword was cool and made up for it.

>>23385158
Based. I'm willing to ignore everything wrong the whole Keiwa bullshit because Bujin Sword is just that cool.

>>23385178
Did Summer Movies start doing poor numbers or did making so many unique Abbadon suits kill the budgets? Why from Saber onward did summer movie forms and rider suits get cheaper?

>>23385155
>I felt that everything regarding Falchion in Saber's Q3 felt messy
I feel that people perceive Saber's awkwardly paced section in the middle as being way longer than it actually is. The infamous Morota arc was only 2 episodes, and right after that we got Solomon's introduction. At the very least I think Bahato managed to tie pretty nicely into the Xross Saber arc, getting a satisfying ending.
>I felt that you needed to watch the side content for Saber to get the most of it
While that is true, I feel like the show is good enough on its own, especially since most of the side material kinda only pertains to and improves Q1, and not much else of what comes afterwards. And I'd take supplementary material that improves a show's worst section over getting nothing of the sort like in most cases, honestly.

That being said
>you wouldn't know that Ogami and Daishinji were from the same generation
It's pretty easy to figure out Daishinji is one of the older swordsmen since he flat out tells Touma he's been retired for a long time, as well as him having a more mature attitude like Ogami's and them sticking around each other pretty often, near the end of the show they even have a conversation about supporting the newer generation of swordsmen just like Daishinji and Hayato supported them.
>why was Rintaro OK with Touma being a rider after episode
There's no side material AFAIK that really delves into this any further, Sophia agreed to let Touma stay in the SoL because the Rekka chose him and Rintaro complied.
>also for me I didn't enjoy the Shindai brothers in any of the show's actual episodes aside from their top-notch fighting styles, but found them to be really enjoyable on the Zenkaiger side of the crossover
The Zenkaiger episode not being part of the series is debatable, because that story was technically a shared 2-parter between both shows, with one episode airing right after the other, and it was written by one of Saber's writers rather than Komura.

(1/2)

>>23385201
>There's no side material AFAIK that really delves into this any further
iirc the Espada episode of the Swordsmen Chronicle had a scene of Sophia confronting Rintaro about this where he relents, it's really minor

>>23385158
style over substance

>>23385155
>Another reason I liked Gavv more is the setting which made the motw more interesting to me compared to the usual megid of the week.
While I can't deny that the Part-Timers are better MoTWs overall, I think the ones from Q2 onwards weren't nearly as good or interesting as the ones from Q1 (with the exception of Kenji, though he was more of a victim of the week and the way his arc ended left a sour taste in my mouth). The Megid did get better in Q2 when they started being made out of humans, which greatly increased the stakes to the point you could really feel Touma's desperation, and the last one of them (Neko) was a really good villain of a great 2-parter.

>I guess another reason I didn't find Gavv's second half not being as good as Q1 to be as disappointing is that I already knew what kind of expectations to have for the villain faction due to having watched Komura's Sentai, so it didn't hit me as hard as something like Geats' and Revice's second halves.
Yeah, expectations play a big part in one's opinions. That being said, my expectations for Gavv at the beginning were actually low, I quickly found myself surprised at how good it was at the start, which made me hopeful about what would come next, though ultimately the show ended up being not quite as good as I was expecting. It's kind of the same experience I had with Geats, but to a much lesser degree since I think Geats had more severe flaws.

That being said, Gavv is still a solid show imo, significantly better than every other Reiwa show with the exception of Saber.

(2/2)

Did they ever explain why The Next was so different from The First? Like what happened to the main girl from the first movie?

>>23384062
>Bocca - Next immediate threat, strong but not anywhere relevant enough to the riders to serve as true final boss.
>Nyelv - Schemy glasses that'll betray Bocca because just like Suga he wants to make something that can TATAKAE better than everyone else. Might live for a V Cinema
>Lizel - Brat princess. Might fight but more likely to get cut up like a bitch by Jeep going postal
>Jeep - Barely on the radar and Shouma was going to send him off with a nut-punch last time. Likely to get used up for irony purposes. Could live in his own insane cae simply because none of his brothers want to bother with him.
>Lango - Waiting for his moment to kill Bocca and restore the Stomach family legacy. Probably pumping ningen women with his seed as a gothic hobo because hybrids are clearly the meta going forward.

>>23385260
Just... keep walking.

>>23385178
The big boss of OOO's summer movie was Gara, Fourze's was the Kyodain siblings, Drive's was Paradox, Ghost's was Extremer, Ex-Aid's was Gamedeus Machina, Saber's was Asmodeus, and Gotchard's was the Dark King.

>>23384406
Nah, they should just integrate some of the old Toku heroes into Kamen Rider. Like how Gavan is kinda sorta part of Super Sentai making frequent reappearances. Toei should have Winspector be a recurring character in Kamen Rider.

>>23385265
Winspector would be in Sentai because Metal Hero creators are mostly the same people as them.
Kamen Rider would be with Ishinomori properties.

>>23385267
Winspecter was some fucking good toku

>>23385178
>MatsuKen is considered a movie Rider.
Sugoi...

>>23385198
>from Saber onward
Hellraising Hopper is a pure repaint with zero new parts, Eden and the Abaddons are only half new, Cross-ZBuild and Blood are both kitbashes, Ohma Form took its boots from Trinity and the notHeisei Trio's suits are made with cheaper kaijin materials.

>>23385264
OK? What does that have to do with that collage? It's just the main movie form and the closest thing to a main movie Rider

>>23385261
>because hybrids are clearly the meta going forward.
Shouma's only as strong as he is because he got modified and Dente created one more upgrade for him. Without his Rider powers he's weaker than the average Stomach and he couldn't produce minions at all.

Lango's currently a hobo who has no means to modify anyone.

>>23385178
How did Hibiki manage to get 5 new Rider suits, a new set of mooks and 2 new kaijin suits for its summer movie?

>>23385278
Sure but once you put belts on those little rascals they're stronger than purebreds with belts on. It's about the ceiling and not the floor and uncle Nyelv would only be too happy to get them to reach their full potential.

>>23385261
>Lango B-Plot

>>23385280
It was a different time, they made 3 kabuto suits for kabuto's movie and even built a cool movie set. I guess PR was still making a ton of money for Toei at the time so they said fuck it.

>>23385286
fucking lol
lango wearing dente's carcass as a cape

>>23385280
Didn't Paradise Lost have a fuckton of new Orphnoch too?

>>23384593
I still don't understand why they made zeztz mouth be a gradient, while other part of helmet have lines and shit

>>23385017
Yes but i've learn to let go. Just enjoy the ride or you can drop it altogether.

>>23385090
In a normal world. Like, can't you just accept people have different opinions?

>>23385135
not only bad Q1, also
>retarded misunderstanding helmed by sword of logos
>simple and predictable, even plothole during q3-q4
>annoying heroine, like akari
>xross is a literal repaint
Yuri is good boy though, touma also good protagonist and that's it

>>23385158
My only gripe is daichi got redeemed shortly after that. We already have michinaga getting scot-free and daichi too?
>>23385211
And it's a problem because?

>>23385382
>>retarded misunderstanding helmed by sword of logos
It makes sense once you think about it for a bit.
>>simple and predictable, even plothole during q3-q4
People couldn't predict what the whole twist in the middle of the show would be beyond the new Calibur being Kento, nor the twist at the end of Q1/start of Q2.
>>annoying heroine, like akari
Akari's a top tier Heroine, Mei's good.
>>xross is a literal repaint
I don't take suits into account when talking about the actual quality of a show, it's just such a superficial aspect. If I like them, good, if I don't, whatever.

>>23384412
Indeed, they should get either Yoshio Urasawa, Akatsuki Yamatoya, Yuuichi Fukuda, Junichi Miyashita, Kazuki Nakashima or Yasuko Kobayashi for it
Sadly the most realistic choices are for either Matsuura, Takijima or Minato to pick Ayumi Shimo or for Takebe to pick Kento Shimoyama
I guess I wouldn't be opposed to Ayumi with the right setup by a producer, even though we might get something extremely degenerate out of it

>>23384322
>>23384339
>>23384362
Wasn't the reason they didn't do a Shin sequel was because the movie's co-writer, Ishinomori's son, quit writing for an acting career and because Shin was so successful that proved that Kamen Rider was popular enough to do a cinema movie release instead of direct to video? I thought that concept of ZO having a crossover form was meant to be a Shin sequel that connected the previous seasons to it, but got all scraped because after Shin's success they turned it into a kodomo movie that couldn't continue the plot threads due to the change in tone/demographic

>>23384431
>>23384436
Seeing this makes me wonder why Hibiki didn't ride a bike from the get-go

>>23384606
They're angels from God that are hunting for the agito seeds to prevent humanity from evolving

>>23384640
I feel that people these days are being more open to lower budget shows due to how shit modern TV is so I could see it having a considerable growth but still not becoming mainstream

>>23384412
Really? Gotchard wasn't that long ago.

>>23385457
He said comedy, not anti-humor.

>>23385457
Gotchard was lighthearted but it didn't have that much focus in comedy, it was just the usual mix of dark and light, just done really poorly
Den-O and Fourze are actual comedy seasons

>>23385464
But Den-O and Fourze still have drama. You can't be pure comedy without being able to not be taken seriously.

>>23385464
>Den-O and Fourze are actual comedy seasons
Retarded take.

>>23385457
>still hanging on to that unfinished scene from a preview a year later

>>23385467
I know but Den-O and Fourze are comedy first, drama second. Even comedy Sentai have drama embedded into them although yeah shows like Carranger and Zenkaiger hardly ever take time to take things seriously
With Gotchard from the very start you have the motw be deranged criminals and stuff like Dread beating the crap out of Houtaro and killing the English JAV teacher happen fairly early, and even though I find Yuto's story arc and stuff like the Piano episode from Den-O more mature than anything in Gotchard, Gotchard is still generally darker than Fourze and Den-O with stuff like Spanner's backstory, some of Geryon's actions and the two arcs focused on Kajiki's girlfriend

>>23385477
>unfinished
>they cut it down so fast it's barely there
They really didn't have a single usable take huh?

>Glotta has a tight, puckered Gavv
>Lango's gavv is huge and loose
what does it mean, /krg/

>less than two weeks
>zero gavv movie spoilers
How

>>23385498
I know you're mentally challenged but most punches in live action don't actually connect, there's always a cut or a shot from far away to create the illusion that someone got punched. You can see this exact same shit in Eiji and Ankh's fight at the beach. And yes, an unedited scene is unfinished.

>>23385516
hasn't aired yet, it's also japan exclusive so it's much harder to get leaks

>>23385516
We usually don't get that many details on the prescreening and this time it seems they had an even stricter deadline
I don't know why any of the chinks have given any details for the movie toys when they gave fairly open descriptions about the Geats movie and Dorado

>>23385149
>someone doesn't know about the translate feature

>>23385506
Lango is a whore just like his dad was. There's a reason why he never knew shit about what was going on, he was too busy getting his fuck on

>rock music
>da naaaan
>ZE- ZE- ZE- ZETZ
>rock music
>da naaaan
>ZE- ZE- ZE- ZETZ

This was taken from you by Revice

>>23385280
Kabuki is such a cool looking suit
I know people wished Hibiki never got retooled and all, I wish the entire season was a period piece show where the entire cast are samurai and ronin and shit though, lends to how the riders that season looked too

Such a nice family

>>23385607
COME INTO MY HEAD
FLASHBACK OF THAT DAY

>>23385617
That's such a crusty-looking image the fuck
I like all of the suits though, beat Gotchard and Saber for me in terms of best looking villain generals

>>23385629
best looking reiwa villain generals*
The Horoscopes are my favorite from this franchise as a whole

>>23385617
is the castle gochizou even themed after a snack?
the kaijin suits have a really nice motif but the wolves' dinky boots and lango's thai-ish looking body really feel out of place

>>23385652
Shouma's movie form is themed after a gingerbread house

>>23385653
i would've never guessed that it was a gingerbread house from the colours

>>23385158
>>23385165
>Tanuki to contast Geats' Kitsune
>Black to contrast Geats' white
and then Ace did some talk-no-jutsu type shit.
The more I look back on Geats the more annoyed I get by it's writing choices.

>>23385664
Cry me a river

>>23385695
You got it boss!

SAYOKOOOOOOOOOOO

Keiwa was more of a main character and even a better main character than Ace was in his own show

>re-releases new Core IDs with voicelines from the cast
>it can't be used with most upgrade buckles because of the size

>>23385090
A good part of the Geats fan base are people who don't care about the quality of a show and just want to see fights. No motw, no stakes, no plot, Keiwa's bullshit and Neon whining don't matter because every episode was 70% mook fights, which is action, so they clapped.
It's why Bujin is posted so often, even though it's a repaint, sucks in story and the arc is shit with a crap ending to it. It's le cool and he le fights, so I le clap.

>>23385520
You'd almost have a point there if it was somehow the norm to only do one take ever for shots like that. It was a shit shot and they obviously didn't have a better one to go with instead. You even try to make it sound like this easily staged and reproducible moment is of the same complexity as two gays splashing around in the water. It got out and is deserving of being mocked for how bad it was so I don't know why you take offense when people do so.

>>23385880
Because you're a shitposter for spamming this gif.
https://desuarchive.org/m/search/image/T9_yvW_-Pq4i9iMnYdfvsw/

>>23385178
ah yes, dark drive and his tapped on steering sword.

>>23385806
its time to sit in the cuck cage for 2 episodes sweatie

>>23385178
I will never get over how fucking trash Revice's movie form is. What a garish eyesore.

>>23385178
Dark Drive is underappreciated.

>>23385178
Eld's suit is so good. We need more goat horned helmets

>>23385905
I do absolutely love the polygonal/3d printed lookin armor.

>>23385178
This collage is missing a ton of riders. I still can't remember who the samurai guy from the OOO movie is or why he's so popular, I know he did the movie's theme though. But you have him and a ton of non-riders and are missing other movie riders or forms like Kamuro or Cho Deadheat.

>>23385892
Nigga, I wasn't even the anon who posted the gif. Actually responding to your schizoid seething with something the teensiest bit more complicated than a no u should have clued you in on that. Then again, the fact that you can't even seem to entertain the idea that others might have saved and reposted that thing should be enough to warn anyone not to hold expectations for you.

>>23385966
Retard

>>23385963
He's the lead character in Abarenbo Shogun, which was a long running period drama. Why they crossed it over with Kamen Rider I still don't understand.

>>23385880
Explain why is it a shit shot, and no, talking about the unfinished version doesn't count. Did you really want them to leave the part where you can see a fake punch like this clearly miss, even though that's exactly the part you're shitting on?

>>23385981
Toei's annual excuse to use their Edo village set.

>>23385981
to make a buzz, proven to be one of the highest box office between all of Kamen Rider movies, only losing to Decade All Rider vs Dai Shocker

>>23386003
i mean genuinely this was probably when Kamen Rider post-Ishinomori peaked.

>>23385941
Same, it's a shame I can't think of many other examples of it. Picrel is probably my favorite iteration of the concept in Toei's shows.

>>23386013
Oh absolutely based anon, that design fucks hard.

>It's another OOO movie and movie appearance that has multiple continuity errors
7. 7 movies.

>>23386040
It's not that significant. Megamax confirms Ankh and Eiji will meet again in the future, Heisei Generations Final confirms Greeed are capable of full cognitive resurrection, then OOO 20th shits all over it.

>>23384934
>>23384936
TLDR;?
Will color be more secretive from now on or will this not affect us at all?

From varon
>My private life was chaotic at an unprecedented level, and coupled with poor health, I couldn’t draw properly for a while. From here, I’ll gradually get back into the rhythm

>>23386044
Core, Shogun and Let's Go has issues with the show. 20th retroactively creates issues with Megamax and KRT.
HeiGen Final has two glaring issues that happened because neither Omori, Takahashi and Muto watched the movies.

The only movie that's safe is Eiji's first appearance in A-to-Z

>>23386046
Color just posted some rules:
Stop posting anything mobile game shit that is not related to Kamen Rider
Stop posting unrelated screencaps of twitter/youtube comments/whatever platform to generate discussion/controversies
Talk about Kamen Rider

>>23386096
>Talk about Kamen Rider
No can do.

>>23386010
Gatakiriba really is broken as fuck.

>>23386059
It's a shame Hibiki as a show turns to absolute shit in the final quarter because he's still one of the most stylish Riders.

>>23386069
>20th retroactively creates issues with Megamax and KRT.

20th has problems with the tv show in the first place though. They completely forgot that most of the greeeds had been killed, not just disassembled, also all but 3 purple medals getting completely destroyed. It's just as bad as stuff like Let's Go Kamen Riders regarding continuity since they couldn't keep track of the status of the medals at all.

>HeiGen Final has two glaring issues that happened because neither Omori, Takahashi and Muto watched the movies.

The oddest part here is that they do reference the movies. Eiji is treated as someone with experience against Foundation X, which only happened in the movies, and Gentaro is a teacher, but then still end up messing up details from those same movies.

>>23386140
Also, the 20th movie also forgot the Medajalibur was created by the Kougami Foundation and wasn't part of the original OOO powerset.

Remember to support President Jaldak in the next elections, the only Rider approved candidate

Sleepy Jaldak

>>23385941
>3d printed lookin
zoomer

So what will the other gingerbread house be?

wew this is the shittiest hero bad guy arc i've seen
it gets good in 5 episodes i hope haha

>>23384170
Revice is enjoyable, only thing I disliked was the bit with live toward the end

>>23386286
Secondary movie form

>>23386286
could someone post the pics of Gavv in Caking form in the movie from the past trailers; like maybe the reason Shoma was able to summon so many Whipped Soldiers was from the power boost from the gingerbread like gochizo?

>>23386313
He uses the regular Caking Gochizo, but you might be onto something, maybe inserting that new Gochizo into Caking's weapons allows for greater numbers of Whipped Soldiers >>23386301

>>23386301
Sorry didn't mean to quote you on that other post
It doesn't get better but Akaishi is kinda fun due to the actor at least

If Gavv ends up having an evil Rider final boss I'll be really sad.

>>23386331
well, that sucks

>>23386313
>>23386329
It's Over Mode who summons the Soldiers.

>>23386313
>>23386329
It's Master Mode who summons the Soldiers.

>>23386301
>this is the shittiest hero bad guy arc i've seen
Just wait until you get to Geats.

They should have a corrupted sentai team as a riders final villains some day.

>>23386350
Doesn't seem so since he's still in Caking form when the Whipped Soldier army fight in the forest while he's Over Master with Caking Sword on the city fighting an unseen enemy that I assume is the other form of Caries

dough goo ja nai

>>23386301
Nothing about Revice ever gets good, but if I had to say anything positive about the show, it would be Akaishi's actor.

>>23386515
Man, I liked his actor when they were trying to sell him as an unrepentant villain who seemingly loved what he was doing, but when they turned around and tried to sell the idea he was doing it all out of fearing Giff, his acting became really out of place.

>>23386515
It's honestly a shame, Akaishi and Ninninger dad had a really well acted moment about Akaishi's fear of death and reluctance of going through with things.

But they refused to go further with it and just focused on weekend sentai Sakuranger.

>>23386539
>But they refused to go further with it and just focused on weekend sentai Sakuranger.
The Weekend family had an entire mini arc that lead into Hikaru using a six way genomix. Please watch the fucking show

What are these symbols that are on some of the Gochizo?

>>23386586
It says: "The pleasure of being cummed inside"

>>23386586
They don’t mean anything. It’s just white blocks meant to look like words. It’s like Grease and Cross-Z Charge.

>>23386590
Is this a reference to something on Japanese wrapping?

>>23386594
Does your country not have nutrition facts on food packages?

>>23385905
It's one of my favorite suits and it got destroyed for Hattari

>>23386723
>it somehow looks even shittier than I was expecting
how

>>23386723
>no longer has question marks meaning that this is the entire initial roster
>only gameplay teaser has no music
>japs have given up because every rider gacha has closed down
>game looks cheaper than City Wars in terms of mechanics
>marketing was a disaster due to filing the trademark too early
>official site is broken
>didn't even reveal the devs
What went so wrong?

>>23386739
They will sell the Ryuki Gochizo set at the event

>>23386747
The first ever Ouja Survive merch is its Gochizou

>>23386756
>liar
>senpai
lol
Surprised they're releasing this many, didn't they just release a pretty big set of Zero-One Gochizos

>>23386761
It's a gacha. You buy one pack for a chance of getting one of 16

>>23386756
There was already a So-Do.

Superman is good, go watch Superman.

>>23386777
You know, you really can't blame Keiwa for liking his sister so much.

>>23386739
Ryuki and Knight suit looks new.

>>23386794
I mean yeah for most of his life he didn't have any parents and she took her of him while he looked for jobs and continued to do so despite him fumbling his job interviews.
Really his turn to Dark Keiwa was justified, what wasn't justified was him allowing himself to be fooled by obviously evil people despite him having seen the bad shit they've done which just made him feel like a massive hypocrite for hating Ace's mom despite her being a tool. Makes me question how the original execution where he was the final boss would have been.

>>23386737
will this dethrone Summonride from the top of Rider kusoge?

>>23386802
For comparison here's their appearance in the Geats Revice crossover

>>23386804
Yeah, I really want to see a version of Geats where everything goes (somewhat, at least) according to the original plan and Keiwa is actually the final boss. It'll never happen, I know, but it'd be really, really cool.

>>23386802
>>23386810
suits probably taken from Dragon Knight

>>23386834
Obviously not, do you realize how long it has been since Dragon Knight?
As far as I'm aware they only used the Dragon Knight suits for Decade and the OOOxDen-O crossover

>>23386810
I forgot how I looked like they got fisted in this crossover

>>23386737
>>no longer has question marks meaning that this is the entire initial roster
Which Riders didn't make it in?

>>23386846
>Riderman
>Amazon
>Stronger
>Skyrider
>Super-1
>ZX
>Shin
>ZO
>J
>a single non-protagonist riders
With how long ago they announced this game you'd expect a bigger initial roster than 33, specially since the mechanics don't seem that deep

>>23386852
surprised Amazon and Stronger didn't make it, usually they come in package alongside 1, 2, V3 and Black
the rest are expected to get skipped again and again

>>23385892
lol I just like posting it because it's a funny gif
I don't hate Gotchard, parts of the show were well-done, such as Hotaro's reaction to Hopper1 becoming a Malgam. Overall, I have no problem poking fun at the things I love. That includes Kamen Rider.

>>23385892
It was me actually.

>>23386875
The blue one could taste like apple because it's a dreaaaaam

Has there ever been a season where the writer had any form of influence over the motif and designs?
Also besides Drive, Gavv and the designs documents from Ishinomori between J and Kuuga do we know any other scrapped motifs for Kamen Rider?

Some hidden gummies

Yezz?

>>23386935
It's either Yezz's rival form, Zero's mecha form or capsems that don't have forms

>>23386943
I can't wait to see a perfect english speaking bike robot man

>>23386920
The writer for Z-IO was originally arguing against time travel as a motif. The fact he tried means there was a chance they'd listen. The ex-aid's doctor theme was fully a writer invention.

>>23387037
Source?

>>23387037
Wasn't the idea of the Ex-Aid Riders being doctors from TV-Asahi?
Didn't know Shinomiya was against the time travel motif, it was Tasaki's idea right? I still don't understand why Shirakura greenlit the idea since he repeatedly said he hated time travel during Den-O

>>23387044
https://kamenrider.fandom.com/wiki/Kamen_Rider_Zi-O
Producer Shirakura stated that like Decade, Zi-O was the culmination of the entire Heisei-era, which would end when Prince Naruhito ascended to the Japanese throne in 2019. Viewership ratings from Build were at a new low, and Shirakura noticed that those ratings were 40% higher during Decade. Shirakura was also extremely hesitant to bring back former actors as well as deal with the tricky concepts of time travel like Den-O, but his associate producers convinced him to tackle them as Shirakura was willing to give it a try.

>Z-IO gets a ridewatch for baseform
>needs to use Decade Watch for super or final form
>except all these fuckin' exclusive watches of final and super forms, for some fucking reason
Makes the decade watch feel like a waste.

>>23387046
That says nothing about Shinomiya being against time travel.
Shirakura came up with the protagonist having a watch design due to the end of an era and the whole Demon King concept but really didn't want to make a season that brought up continuity and didn't know how to go about it but the whole reason he was appointed to do the next season after Build was so that he could make a big crossover season.
In the end Naomi Takebe chose Shinomiya as the main writer and Tasaki decided that the setting would focus on time travel. So that the crossover stuff didn't affect the story much Shirakura made it so that all the Heisei protagonists ridewatches released on the first quarter so that he wouldn't be forced by Bandai to shill them after that. But a lot of actors ended up requesting to appear on the show, resulting on Shirakura walking back on everything, including Woz being the antagonist due to his popularity.
Other than that Shirakura wanted the form changes to consist in Mechas based on each Rider but had to drop the idea due to budget cost, so as a compromise the forms became power armors and Zi-O got to ride a CGI Mecha that could change helmets. Also Kamen Rider Tsukuyomi was supposed to debut on the Agito two-parter but Plex didn't have the design ready on time which is why she only appears at the very end.

>>23387048
>Makes the decade watch feel like a waste.
Yes.

Will Gavv be the first season in over a decade to not have a woman Rider?

>>23387058
Wasn't the whole reason Decade used powers based on past riders to save costs when making suits, since they needed a shorter season so that W which was planned earlier could release in a September so that the franchise didn't overlap with Sentai?

>>23387075
No? Build was 8 years ago anon

>>23386655
>>23386654
>Casted in Gotchard instead of Gavv or Geats
wish she had been luckier

>>23386654
>>23386655
Sex

kek

>Kamen Rider ZEZTZ
September 6
>There will be a DX Zeztz Driver purchase campaign

>DX Rider Capsem Set 01 ￥1,500
(Technolom Stream Capsem, ???Capsem, ???Capsem)

October 18
>DX Rider Capsem Set 02 ￥1,500
(Esprim Recovery Capsem, ???Capsem, ???Capsem)

November 15
>DX Rider Capsem Set 03 ￥1,500
(Paradigm Wonder Capsem, ???Capsem, ???Capsem)

November
>DX Rider Capsem Set 04 ￥1,500
(???Capsem, ???Capsem, ???Capsem)

>>23387177
I guess the late November set will be Yezz’s Rider Capsem

>>23387177
I wonder if that means there's gonna be also augment capsems besides the main four form capsems and first power up capsem of Q1?

>>23387177
Also someone asking the listing to lemon and lemon replied 01 set is possibly Wing & Transform (?) Capsem

>>23387185
I'm looking forward to all the legend capsems that put Good and Morning in all the old callouts.

>>23387185
Also someone was asking this to lemon
>The earlier concept of the belt was something like Tamagotchi. Now the small capsule toy that puts creature is a legacy product. The essence is to save money. The concept of the small prop is a Tamagotchi with a screen like Blazar, with small animations, multiple creature in a single item, and a practical function of a pedometer timer (a castrated version of Tamagotchi. However, such item will be very expensive, and the number of sales will be very small.
>Words are the most expensive linkage at the moment...
>Then it was cut off as expected and changed to the common mechanical linkage...

>>23386810
In all fairness weren't the suits falling apart and barely hanging by the halfway point of Ryuki? I remember there being several shots of Ryuki himself being covered in tape.

>>23387190
To which lemon replied
>If it's a screen, it's too expensive

>>23387190
>>23387192
So the belt was gonna be more techy but it was too expensive so it's just a spinning ball that makes a little animation to save costs

I know this has been talked about to death but what the fuck were they thinking with this? A lot of Zero-One is stuff that seems good while you're watching but the second you think about it it falls apart.

Aruto should've gotten a new Humagear secretary who looks completely different to Izu. The scene could still play the same way, but with Aruto saying something like "I can't wait to get to know you". Then when she explains his joke it could still remind him of Izu, and it would teach kids that it's ok to move on and meet new people while still remembering loved ones who are gone. This would work with the themes the last arc (apparently) wanted to get across and would be a really bittersweet ending.

But no they wanted Izu back for crossovers so lets just make another one.

>>23387195
And the little creatures inside are just leftovers and will be meaningless in the show itself.

>>23387205
Keep in mind anon that they did this probably to make kids not as sad.

>>23387207
Ehh, that's kinda sucky

>>23387190
But toei expect some lower numbers though..

>>23387076
No, Decade was a tie-in to Ganbaride too. The OG Decade cards in merch even had attack values for Ganbaride printed on them (this was erased from the show props and later show accurate reprints).

This $15 Chinese bootleg Geats IX is surprisingly high quality for $15. Got tired of waiting for the official one to release and decided to grab one given it couldn't hurt to have one.

I'm rather impressed with what I actually got.

>>23387264
It's still fairly cheap looking but for 15 bucks that's good enough

>>23387270
From a distance you honestly can't tell, and ironically looks higher quality than some of the $100 - $300+ official figurines out there.

>>23386852
>a single non-protagonist riders
Who?

>>23387205
Dont think about it so hard and you get to enjoy it more

>>23387264
Some panel liner would do wonders

>>23387076
The need of shorter season so W started later is right, but they always thought about doing a celebration, not exactly for saving cost.
At some point they thought about "Den-O 2" where Den-O traveling through each year of Heisei Riders.

>>23387264
Now hotglue it

>>23387205
And then the new Izu became the old Izu anyways

>>23387264
>Chinese bootleg
you sure that's not one of those Chinese exclusive official figure by SCLA or something like the Ultraman ones?

>>23383993
>>23383982
>ANOTHER Reiwa Movie Villian who looks completely retarded
We haven't had a single good Movie Villain since Zero One. Christ man