Thread 23384081

Are the children of a Coordinator and a Natural considered Naturals because they don't undergo gene therapy? Do they inherit ubermensch genes from their coordinator parent?

While the databooks say that Coordinator enhancements are inherited from the parents in the following generation, the story proper has no Natural/Coordinator offspring anywhere.
There are some in NON-CANON side material, however, such as the main villain in Eclipse.

I was led to believe the major drawback of coordinators is that they were practically sterile and that all their offspring were test tube babies.

>>23384081 (OP)
as long as they inherit coordinator genes, they're a coordinator. different characters have been described as first or second generation coordinators based on whether they were genetically enhanced or if they were just the children of coordinators

there aren't that many mixed couples but I see no reason why a child of a coordinator and a natural wouldn't inherit some coordinator genes from the coordinator parent. it's up to you if you want to invent a new racial slur for a child of mixed parentage though

>>23384106
Lets call them fakers

I thought the endgoal of Coordinators in the first place was for them to eventually breed with Naturals and create a better overall humanity. It's just that CE's competituve racism made Coordinators stick with others of their kind.
>>23384106
>it's up to you if you want to invent a new racial slur for a child of mixed parentage though
Good old halfbreed always works if you're lazy.

>>23384102
That's only for the third generation onwards though, isn't it?

>>23384114
It's not just that it's that also everyone just raced to make their children Coordinators if they could afford it because they wanted designer babies

>>23384114
>>23384122
>I thought the endgoal of Coordinators in the first place was for them to eventually breed with Naturals and create a better overall humanity.
No, it is not. That's Astray's bullshit.

Coordinators as "enhanced humans" were created to explore the deep cosmos (this was also confirmed in an interview with setting writer Shigeru Morita). Because of historical circumstances, they became übersmensch stuck on the Earth sphere, never fulfilling their true purpose.

>>23384081 (OP)
>Are the children of a Coordinator and a Natural considered Naturals because they don't undergo gene therapy?
No, that isn't how it works. All second generation Coordinators, like Athrun for instance, would be Naturals then. If you possess altered genes, either through direct manipulation or inheritance, you cannot be a Natural.

>>23384102
This only comes up with the second and third generations. The genetic sequences grow more complex to where some pairs just aren't compatible.

>>23384115
Durandal and Talia are second generations.

>>23384093
>>23384124
I don't necessarily disagree about Astray, but what's wrong with Eclipse?

am i the only anon that does not give a shit about cagali?

>>23384134
I mean, Talia did have a kid in the end, just not with Durandal. Good catch though.

>>23384169
Perhaps, because I actively detest her.

Cagalli is basically Relena all of her charisma and attractiveness removed. Her tough persona in the desert was the only interesting thing she did in the story.
And that relationship with Athrun is the most forced shit ever.

>>23384180
>Relena all of her charisma and attractiveness removed.
That's what Lacus is for.

>>23384186
An even worse character in my book.

>>23384169
I see other people simp for the characters and I don't really get it.

>>2338419
murrue i get because she's hot and sexy and omg she should've been end game.

>>23384180
>And that relationship with Athrun is the most forced shit ever.
Maybe the writers must have thought so too considering Destiny was constantly throwing other women at him and see what sticks.

Kira and Lacus are the best and only good couple in SEED.
>>23384186
>>23384193
Shit taste.

>>23384244
Are you saying Lacus isn't charismatic or attractive?

>>23384179
Yes. Talia and Durandal weren't genetically compatible. IIRC, this is also why Athrun and Lacus were basically in an arranged marriage.

>>23384248
She’s very charismatic and attractive.

>>23384244
Fuck off. Are you going to whine about the movie being non-canon again, spammer?

>>23384255
Then why did you say I have shit taste?

>>23384251
Now I'm curious about where this'll lead Shinn and Luna.

>>23384255
She's not attractive in the slightest. As a matter of fact, no character with Hiraiface can possibly be attractive.
Perhaps the only artist I can think of that draws even uglier characters is Satoyasu, the Genesis Horizon guy.

>>23384256
Are you going to cry again?

>>23384273
The idea of Shinn being a parent is mystifying to me. That said, I imagine they'd adopt if they weren't genetically compatible. They should adopt some clone child

>>23384273
We may have had answers on the horizon, if Shinn hadn't chickened out of sex with Luna in the movie.

>>23384294
I imagine him being very protective if they had a daughter.

>>23384244
Murrue and Ramius was good
Flay and Kira was good

>>23384331
When did Murrue hook up with herself? Was that during the time period she thought Mu was dead.

>>23384294
Shinn got a literally insane bitch to be pacified around him he is the most qualified person to be a parent in the cast other than Mu

>>23384304
I can see that, actually. Luna would probably be the stricter parent between the two of them. Do you think he'd name her after Mayu?

>>23384336
I meant to say Mu but my brain just autocompleted after I typed Mu(rrue)

>>23384342
Yes. I've even seen a couple fanfics that do that.

>>23384342
>Do you think he'd name her after Mayu?
Or maybe Stellar.

Who's most likely to have a child between Agnes and Meyrin?

>>23384382
Meyrin.

>>23384357
Were any of them good?
>>23384374
If he had two, I'm sure one of them gets named after her. Otherwise, I think Mayu would have gotten priority.

>>23384393
Can't remember. Been a while since I read them.

>>23384382
Meyrin because Athrun always betrays

>>23384552
I wonder if this is why Compass refused to hire Athrun...

>>23384613
I thought it was because he didn't want to have to follow orders from Kira because Athrun likes doing his own thing. Plus, I think Cagalli, Kira, Lacus, and Meyrin are the only people who still genuinely like him. While everyone else either tolerates him at best or despises him at worst.

>>23384081 (OP)
Coordinators have genes modified or selected to be better but they're not some augmented supersoldier or having any alien DNA. Theoretically, even 2nd Generation Coordinators are less "focused" because hypothetically one parent selected genes for athletics and the other selected for brains or beauty unless the baby too undergoes a similar gene mod procedure. Should be an above average baby anyway. Also, people like Mu's Natural father with two clones that passed for Coordinator shows there's highly exceptional Naturals too. If Coordinators rigged the genetic lottery, there's natural winners too.

Also Athrun is the epitome of the Clyne Faction's victory. The only son of Patrick Zala rejects Coordinator girls for Natural tomboy pussy. It's like if the last living relative of Hitler is currently emptying his balls into a Black Jewish Slavic woman's pussy.

>>23384742
I was just joking, suggesting that they wouldn't want him on their side because he's a notorious traitor

>>23384745
>be Shura
>taught all your life you're better than Coordinators who are better than Naturals
>Aura's whole system puts Naturals at the bottom
>disappointed fighting Kira and Shinn, excited to fight Athrun
>read his mind
>Athrun shows you his homemade sex-tape where he has racemixing sex with this Natural girl belonging at the bottom of mommy's caste system

>>23384124

I'd argue that bit from Astray doesn't have to be disregarded. I mean, wouldn't it be better for humans to be genetically modified to be better suited for further exploration of space, hence why it was insane for a divide between Coordinators and Natural to even exist in the first place?

>>23385247
Yeah but the problem was Coordination could only be done to newborn babies, so there would always be Naturals that just didn't have the luck to be born when it was a thing. This breeds jealousy and well you see what happens.

>>23384742
Athrun wanted to stick with Orb and Cagalli and commit to it, rather than once again join a side that tried to recruit him even though it was his friends on the other side this time and Cagalli backs Compass. Compass basically assumed Athrun would be a shoe in and already started building him a new Justice before he told them he didn't want it.

>>23384613
>>23384613
Athrun is shit at social interactions and Shinn hit it off with the Archangel crew way better in a short amount of time. This guy kissed Cagalli frst then put a ring on her before proposing. He is a weirdo who looks cool from afar because most people don't interact with him much and only see a hyper competent fighter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bAgUXdHp6U

>>23385274
>Shinn gets along with Cagalli and fucking Neo Roanoke better than he does Athrun
LMAO

>>23384081 (OP)
>>23384124
Why do you guys expect any serious understanding over the ramification of transhumanism, from a show that only needed a superficial race-war trope to copy UC's Newtype?

It's stupid anime-logic to have such genetic engineering treated as a yes/no binary improvement, with ridiculously far reaching result.
If you are capable of demonstratably improving mankind like that, you inevitably have post-singularity tech, the ability to fix ANY flaws even after birth (we already do it now), to prove your superiority, create lifeform from scratch, or even create failsafe bioweapon that kill non-engineered people.

When UC introduced Newtype, it did as something they barely understood, to avoid those ramifications, with artificial newtype as very unstable.
Cause once you open the door, there's no closing it back.

>>23384124
I think one of the most frustrating parts about the Cosmic Era is how it sets up all this cool sounding shit in the background and then proceeds to do absolutely NOTHING with it. Like all that shit? Space whales? Not so much an after thought, here's a pop star talking stupid.

>>23385301
>Adam Warren
FUCK OFF, /co/!

>>23385308
The Newtype Dolphins killed the Space Whale and placed it on the moon for humans to find because they thought it would be hilarious.

>>23385326
Does that mean the Newtype Dolphins were whalers on the moon, maybe even carrying harpoons? More importantly, does this mean Kira is part dolphin?

Naturals vs Coordinators is in reality a class war while Federation vs ZAFT is just old money vs new money
SEEDs failing is that it fails to understand the implications of its own concepts and confuses it for a race war with extra steps

>>23385562
How many times are you going to post this

>>23385274
>>23385300
I guess it also helps nobody holds a grudge against him for everything back in Destiny. And yeah, Athrun is terrible when it comes to socializing with people. Shinn is proof of that.

Where is he even getting the idea that the coordination process was super expensive in the first place?

>>23385301
>ESL nonsense
>Warren fishlips
Never post in this site again.

>>23385699
How many times will you deny it's the case?

>>23386080
still right

The only poor coordinators we see are literal war orphans. The rest are middle class or high class. Unless it's Shinn Morosawa and Fukuda didn't give a shit about showing poor coordinators.
Meanwhile lots of Naturals are dirt poor on earth.

>>23386092
Anon, this is the equivalent of saying Sapcenoids aren't low class because we see more poor areas on Earth than space in 0079. In the first place, most are going to live in areas like Orb, which was largely untouched by the N-Jammer crisis. Secondly, how many poor Naturals do we see that are poor for reasons unrelated to war anyway?

>>23386087
>>23385562
You have been making up nonsense that has zero backing from the story. And you've been with this crap for quite a while now.

https://desuarchive.org/m/search/text/Coordinators%20class%20war/username/Anonymous/

>>23386087
It stops being a class war when you notice that coordinators are generally physically and mentally better and many view them as a superior species because of it
Your argument fits better if you complain about 0079, how Gihren goes on about Zeon being the superior race, despite them being ethnically identical to everybody else in space

>>23384093
>NON-CANON side material

ISHYGDDT

>>23386165
The only canon material are the shows and the movie. Period. That "Astray" excrement does not count.

>>23386173
Says who?

>>23386187
Fukuda.

>>23386193
How does he decide canon and not Sunrise?

>>23386173
BAD MOVE!!

That means there’s no explanation for Kira surviving now.

>>23386218
You think Fukuda cares about that? Why else would he have characters like Andrew, Mu, and Tusk survive their deaths for no reason.

>>23386173
>The only canon material are the shows and the movie
what about the drama CDs?

>>23386218
>

>>23386229
I know you’re a Fukuda dickrider, but what the fuck gives you the idea I am too?

>>23387455
Who said I was?

>>23387457
The fact that you bring him up out of nowhere for one? As if his word has any sway at all here?

>>23387464
I was criticizing not defending.

>>23387479
Oh. In that case, who asked? How is he even relevant?

>>23386218
they do allude to Kira being able to handle intense heat when hes in the sickbay in the earlier eps. But yes he only survived because of MC bias. And hes Jesus.

>>23387560
That doesn’t explain him ending up at the Reverend’s shack

>>23387569
yea funny they didnt add or change those scenes at all for the remaster. Just imagine the Strike launching Kira to the shack in cartoon fashion.

>>23387583
>>23387569
>>23387560
As the other Anon said, Fukuda simply doesn't care about how or why his pet characters get apparently killed only to come up okay some episodes later. Just that it happens.
And he's openly hostile about Astray, so we can't count on that giving an explanation on the matter either.

>>23387569
He bailed out and stumbled over to it.

>>23387605
Who gives a shit?

>>23387611
You do, since you bothered to reply.

>>23387617
I know you fucking adore Fukuda but you can stop with the trivia honestly.

It's not like CCA ever explained how Char survived in Zeta why is it so necessary to explain how Kira survived?

>>23387776
Also before someone says being in a mobile suit inside a surviving ship is a survivable event we literally had evidence from one fucking episode prior that it definitely isn't (Jerid) and his suit was in comparatively much better condition

>>23387784
*exploding ship

>>23387611
NTA, but who even says Astray is canon in the first place?

>>23387798
People in >>23387333 are certainly defensive when Astray's canon status was questioned.

>>23387798
Fukuda who references it in his works
Sunrise who are willing to say when something is a parallel work, but haven’t for Astray

>>23387892
Aren't you the one saying that Fukuda's opinion on Astray should not be taken into consideration though?
Also
>They didn't say that it WASN'T non-canon!
Doesn't Bandai upload official timelines for Gundam universes? Why the reliance on a cope argument?

How would you rank every couple from favorite to least favorite?

>>23387909
You brought up Fukuda unprompted because you have a boner for him. “Fukuda sama doesn’t like Astray though!!!”
I brought him up to answer your question of “who says it’s canon”.

>>23387916
Kira and Lacus>Shinn and Luna=Athrun and Cagali>Mu and Murrue=Durandal and Talia>Dearka and Miriallia>>>>>>>>Agnes and Shura

>>23387943
>You brought up Fukuda unprompted because you have a boner for him.
Anon, are you stupid? Can you not read?

>>23387963
>If you get rid of Astray, there’s no clear explanation for Kira surviving in SEED anymore
>”UHM WELL FUKUDA SAMA DOESN’T CONSIDER ASTRAY PART OF HIS STORY SO THERE!!”
Piss off, I don’t care

>>23388087
So, you don't care how Kira survived. Good, the creators don't want you to care. You're just supposed to be amazed by how cool they are. Now shut up and enjoy Mu survive being blasted by another space laser for the ten millionth time.

>>23388173
>So, you don't care how Kira survived
Don't worry, I know exactly how he did already.

>>23386173
>The only canon material are the shows and the movie. Period.

>>23388196
This is truly pathetic when you think about it. A couple of low-rent mangaka care more about the characters and their outcomes than the actual creator of the story.
Fukuda never cared about, for instance, how and why Mwu was able to survive. Only that he needed him back for the sequel. Who is to say that any of the characters that have supposedly died couldn't come back? I think the only one that's out of the question is that worthless "friend" of Kira, since I don't see how you can recuperate out of a beheading.

>>23387955
Are you >>23384244, by any chance? Because, for the life of me, I don't get what people see on Kira/Lacus. It's like the SAO bullshit: they're only together because the writer says so, regardless of chemistry. Even garbage like Kanokari makes a bit of effort

>>23388298
He saw Seed as a kid and they're the main characters and together and flawless so obviously good couple, duh.
Standard nostalgia.

>>23388381
>Standard nostalgia.
Does that mean that there are people that there are people out there that fawn over Heero and Relena? I haven't seen any.

>>23388298
No, I am not. I just like them. When things are good, their scenes can have this easy playful energy that I dig. I like how Lacus calls him out for trying to put on a tough face. I like how Lacus places special trust in him as a confidant. The inner conflict Lacus holds for giving Kira the Freedom is a treat to see whenever it comes up. I also dig the princess/knight dynamic.

>>23388087
So you can't read, got it.
>>23387798

>>23388417
>The inner conflict Lacus holds for giving Kira the Freedom is a treat to see whenever it comes up.
You are imagining things that aren't really there. People like you, terminal morons, fall for the most vapid of story elements.

>>23388296
Don't get too excited. Later Astray series create ridiculous plot holes themselves, on top of plain shoddy writing.

>>23388427
Anon, we have Lacus literally holding Kira back from their only means of survival in episode 12 of SEED Destiny and the entire first half of SEED Freedom spelling this conflict out through Agnes. When will you retards realize that skepticism and snark aren't arguments?

>>23388432
Did you miss the part where I called them "low-rent mangaka"? And even them put more effort with the characters than Fukuda.

>>23388439
>and the entire first half of SEED Freedom spelling this conflict out through Agnes
The fuck are you talking about?

>>23388469
Except that's demonstrably bullshit. I detest Lacus with every fiber of my being, but we see her literally leading from the front in the Eternal in both shows.
All this does is portray Agnes as a psychotic bitch that doesn't know what the fuck is babbling about.

>>23388298
You don't think they have chemistry or good moments together?

>>23388427
Ohhh, you're just being a little bitch.
>"Nuh uh, those things in the show that you like aren't real!"

>>23388476
>You don't think they have chemistry or good moments together?
Not really, no. Cagalli and Athrun have chemistry, but not Kira and Lacus. Zero.

>>23388442
You say this, yet the later Astrays, particularly Delta and Princess of the Sky, are notorious for having some of the worst characters in CE.

>>23388482
>the later Astrays, particularly Delta and Princess of the Sky, are notorious for having some of the worst characters in CE.
Elaborate.

>>23388474
I thought that was the point. That she was self-entitled brat.

>>23388488
Yes, that was what I saw in her character as well. Which means that whatever she's babbling about Lacus is complete BS.

>>23388474
>Except that's demonstrably bullshit.
Anon, the thing you have to be deliberately missing at this point is Lacus's reaction obviously giving away that she still feels that it's true on some level. Again, half of the reason things go so bad in the first part is owed to Lacus wanting to finish off Blue Cosmos fast so she won't need to rely on the Freedom anymore.
>>23388478
>Nuh uh
Riveting argument.

>>23388483
Correction, I got Delta mixed up with VS Astray. Delta is where the fanbase considers the Astray series to start going completely off the rails and fucking with the setting too much, but the issues aren't with the characters in that one.
>VS Astray
The entirety of Librarian and the Carbon Human concept is absolutely hated. Characters who were actually, genuinely dead, with big tearful sendoffs, are effectively just resurrected and made to serve as insane, berserk enemies. Gina got this treatment, until the following series decided he was okay after all.
>Princess of the Sky
Fairness's entire plan is complete nonsense, his goals are complete nonsense, the entire story is impossible to take seriously. He wants to create a totalitarian regime wherein everybody... does what they want. And he will enforce this with a single mobile suit that is ABSOLUTELY INVINCIBLE! And battery powered.

Beyond that, the writing just gets plain inconsistent. Way worse than Destiny ever got.

>>23388478
Not any of these anons you've been going at it with, but I disagree. I think their relationship is sweet, just a different dynamic. They just offer each other kindness and support, dry each others' tears, and they want to stay with and protect one another. Kira is with Compass because he wants to create a peaceful world to be happy in with Lacus. She's with them only because Kira is with them (according to a SEED Freedom interview I just read earlier).

>>23388502
>the thing you have to be deliberately missing at this point is Lacus's reaction obviously giving away that she still feels that it's true on some level.
Except, if you have been paying attention to the story, you know it's not true. The writing is trying, yet again, to lead its audience into believing things that aren't really there.
We saw Lacus being the Eternal's captain in two different wars. Durandal tried to kill her twice and Meer died as a result, so anyone with a couple of brain cells to rub together would realize that whatever that obnoxious bitch is babbling makes no sense against the story. Seeing Lacus in actual danger during both SEED and Destiny ought to be enough to close this argument for good. Lacus ought to have jumped at the chance and yelled at Agnes "what the fuck are you talking about, you pampered daddy's girl? you've never been in any real danger at any point of your sheltered fucking life!"
The only way I can think of to square that circle is that Fukuda is retarded enough to think "you aren't really in the battlefield unless you are an MS pilot!".

>half of the reason things go so bad in the first part is owed to Lacus wanting to finish off Blue Cosmos fast so she won't need to rely on the Freedom anymore.
This is a debate we've had already. It's fantasy to think that things will just completely stabilize only after they get rid of the latest Blue Cosmos incarnation. And even if that was the case, wouldn't everyone agree that people getting killed left and right is more important than a single individual's well-being? Nobody else in COMPASS is complaining: everyone from Mwu to Shinn agrees that their peacekeeping mission is the priority.
Unless this is an admission that Kira never cared about the world''s well-being and was only piloting the Freedom to please Lacus. Hence, why he completely broke at the first hint of cuckoldry.

>>23388518
>Seeing Lacus in actual danger during both SEED and Destiny ought to be enough to close this argument for good.
Showing Lacus in actual danger does nothing to change the fact that Kira ends SEED in a state of shellshock and that Lacus feels responsible for enabling him to reach that state by giving him the Freedom.
>This is a debate we've had already
And every single time this debate occurs, you run out because you either can't do anything against the actual point being made or people (rightfully) write off your belief that people are going to strap bombs to themselves following the Foundation incident.
>And even if that was the case, wouldn't everyone agree that people getting killed left and right is more important than a single individual's well-being?
Where is the argument otherwise being made?
>Unless this is an admission that Kira never cared about the world''s well-being and was only piloting the Freedom to please Lacus
No it's not, you disingenuous faggot. Stay on topic if your shitbrains can handle that much.

>>23388537
>and that Lacus feels responsible for enabling him to reach that state by giving him the Freedom.
It's interesting that Kira never appears "shell-shocked" or affected in any way whatsoever at any point after moving back to action in Destiny. Even Shinn and Athrun are more traumatized by their losses (Mayu and Patrick, respectively) than Kira's alleged condition.

>for enabling him
This is cute. You want to argue that Kira has no will of his own? That he's merely an automaton doing Lacus's will? Or worse, that he's so pathetic for her affection that he's willing to sacrifice himself to do her bidding, with no concern for his personal well-being?

>your belief
No, not "my belief". The MOVIE'S SCREENWRITER said (in the novelization that she wrote) that the world at large is worst off after the incident, with everyone mistrusting each other even more than ever before.
Or what, are you going to argue that this doesn't count unless "Fukuda-dono" says so, because he's the sole authority on the CE? Then what was the point of having another person as screenwriter for the movie, then?

>Where is the argument otherwise being made?
English, please.

>No it's not, you disingenuous faggot. Stay on topic if your shitbrains can handle that much.
Nice counterargument there. Keep it on, Anon!

>>23388502
>>23388518
Third party jumping in here. Kira is motivated to protect Lacus, and Lacus is motivated to protect Kira.

It's not that Agnes is right or anything, but Lacus wants Kira to be happier. She didn't want him piloting Freedom because she knew that fighting pained him a lot and he just wanted to get away from it. In Freedom, he overworks the piss out of himself, he's depressed, and still constantly wonders if he was right to stop Durandal. The whole reason they go to Foundation is in the hopes that shutting down whatever Blue Cosmos has going on will let Kira rest easier, but Agnes going on about how awful Lacus is doesn't help when she's already feeling guilty for not being able to help Kira feel better so far.

>>23388547
>because she knew that fighting pained him a lot and he just wanted to get away from it
I will repeat myself from >>23388542:
>It's interesting that Kira never appears "shell-shocked" or affected in any way whatsoever at any point after moving back to action in Destiny. Even Shinn and Athrun are more traumatized by their losses (Mayu and Patrick, respectively) than Kira's alleged condition.
Yet another case of the story contradicting itself.

>>23388547
>when she's already feeling guilty for not being able to help Kira feel better so far.
If the writing had any cojones, they would've made a point to paint Lacus to be at least as manipulative towards Kira as Fllay was. That would've caused a splash with the fanbase.

>>23388542
>It's interesting that Kira never appears "shell-shocked" or affected in any way whatsoever at any point after moving back to action in Destiny.
That isn't correct. From episode 25
>Athrun: "Your own hands have already taken many lives!"
>Kira: "...Yeah, I know. That's why... I really don't want this to happen again... I don't want to fight... Don't make me fight..."
He also spends a lot of his screentime wondering if they're doing the right thing or not.

>The MOVIE'S SCREENWRITER said (in the novelization that she wrote) that the world at large is worst off after the incident, with everyone mistrusting each other even more than ever before.
The novelization is nice but isn't canon to the film.
>are you going to argue that this doesn't count unless "Fukuda-dono" says so, because he's the sole authority on the CE?
Well no, but he did direct the movie.

>>23388542
>It's interesting that Kira never appears "shell-shocked" or affected in any way whatsoever at any point after moving back to action in Destiny
So your argument effectively is "the episodes where he's showing shellshock don't count," then? You realize even if that were the case, it's irrelevant to the point, right?
>You want to argue that Kira has no will of his own?
>en·a·ble
/iˈnāb(ə)l,eˈnāb(ə)l/
verb
gerund or present participle: enabling
1.
give (someone or something) the authority or MEANS to do something.
It must be hard being this fucking dumb. Capitalized the key word too, so you don't get lost with all the big words.
>novelization
The same novelization with a completely different ending? THAT novelization?
>If I can't use the word of a screenwriter to override the director, then there's no point in having one
Again, it must be hard being that dumb.
>English please
Too many syllables? I asked when I argued otherwise.
>Nice counterargument
You didn't make an argument in the first place, you threw a baseless accusation that's irrelevant to the main topic.

>>23388549
Also not correct. A big part of Kira's characterization through Destiny and much of Freedom is that he's completely rattled by everything that's happened in SEED, and then Destiny, but forces himself to keep going.

>>23388555
>Writing the same character twice is having balls

>>23388560
>"I don't want to fight... Don't make me fight..."
>He also spends a lot of his screentime wondering if they're doing the right thing or not.

>>23388563
So your argument effectively is "the episodes where he's showing shellshock don't count," then?
And yet, in the moment of truth, when blades start flashing, he never questions himself or doubts in his own actions, which did happen to both Shinn and Athrun. For fuck's sake, he turned the Saviour into sushi in one second flat. Shouldn't he feel a bit bad about what he just did to his friend?

>>23388565
>Kira's characterization through Destiny and much of Freedom
Freedom? Yes, absolutely.
Destiny? Only in the early episodes. Afterwards, he gets that sunset scene with Athrun and that one forgettable conversation with Murrue. Otherwise, he never wavers from acting.

>forces himself
For that to be a valid point, we would have to see him struggle when it counts (ie. in the battlefield). Which doesn't happen, at least during Destiny.

>>23388569
>Shouldn't he feel a bit bad about what he just did to his friend?
No, he's absolutely pissed off at Athrun for ditching his sister to play hero for ZAFT again, and then getting sanctimonious about it.

>>23388569
>And yet, in the moment of truth, when blades start flashing, he never questions himself or doubts in his own actions, which did happen to both Shinn and Athrun.
Again, even if we pretended you had an uncontestable point here, it is STILL irrelevant to the point being made here.
If I run someone over with my car and they recover a year later, that doesn't suddenly mean I don't or can't still feel guilty about the incident.
>Shouldn't he feel a bit bad about harmlessly disarming his friend?
Shinn and Athrun are the ones with pride about their skills, not Kira.

>>23388576
>Shinn and Athrun are the ones with pride about their skills, not Kira.
Not true, during his tantrum in Freedom he lashes out that everyone else is to blame for being weak (Unlike him)

>>23389068
Someone complaining that they have to do everything themselves because others can't carry their weight isn't an automatic marker of pride.

Does anyone else find it weird how Athrun's never used an anti-ship sword? You think it would have happened at least once, considering CQC is his specialty.

>>23389172
>considering CQC is his specialty.
Aside from the final Aegis fight when did Athrun ever show proficiency in CQC before the Infinite Justice? I guess his METEOR in SEED had beam sabers?

>>23389160
It is when it's blatantly untrue and a strategy prompted by his own orders rather than the competency of his coworkers. Lunamaria and Agnes aside Mu and Shinn have 100% proven themselves not to mention the Archangel crew.

>>23389224
I was going to argue that Kira's clear lack of pleasure being "the one who has to do it himself" is more a matter of guilt/duty than it is pride primarily but that's just making this an argument of degrees.

>>23384215
Is Lunamaria further away to show she's not in the race, or is she and Cagali pointing guns showing they're the only true contenders?

>>23389266
who the fuck knows
ask Morosawa what she was thinking during the first 12 episodes for your answer

>>23384081 (OP)
>133
I thought it was 140 last time I came here.

>>23390218
Seems one or two anons had all their posts nuked for whatever reason.

>>23390337
I think just one. I wonder why it happened?

>>23384382
Meyrin's genetic enhancements backfired and caused her to age into a wine aunt in a single year. her COORDovaries probably also shriveled up prematurely

>>23384093
>the story proper has no Natural/Coordinator offspring anywhere.
wha bou Erica Simmons mate

>>23390594
Her kid is half Natural/Coordinator, IIRC. She's Coordinator, but her husband is a Natural. Or at least, old lorebooks mentioned that.

>>23384081 (OP)
Yes on the naturals.

>>23384180
The characters aren't remotely similar. Relena is coy and sophisticated and grows into being an adept politician. Cagalli is just none of that. She wears her heart on her sleeve and isn't capable of dissimulation. People like her because she's so straightforward, feisty, and personally supportive. Very ride or die, even if she's still a little immature and weak willed.

>>23388549
>>23388555
>>23388569
Damn, wiped out from the face of this site.

>>23398984
I wonder what it was for, since I’m assuming it wasn’t for complaining about shows without watching them.

>>23388196
>the astray guy rescued kira
no fucking way