there are thousands of Gundam novels
why did they choose this one to be part of the canon when it doesn't care about consistency and UC technology progress?

>canon

>why would they choose this popular novel that became one of the most profitable and popular Gundam shows ever?!
Idk

>>23389444
it wasn't popular before the OVA
Hathaway's Novel was the most popular one and they didn't pick it until 2020

>>23389431 (OP)
Fukui has talked about how this was being actively developed into being an anime.

Every entry is largely self-contained. Authors do not care about canon, only giga autists do.

>>23389446
Looked up sales info
>Senkou no Hathaway peak sales: volume 2 sold 5,429 copies
>UC peak sales: volume 8 sold 79,596 copies
It’s not even close!

>>23389431 (OP)
>it doesn't care about consistency and UC technology progress
I've got a fair amount of disdain for Unicorn myself, but you don't have to invent bullshit reasons to hate it that aren't real.

>>23389499
it's a valid reason to hate it. UC should have been made post-Victory
making Unicorn almost Turn A-tier 30 years before F91 is retarded

>>23389501
Stick to Dragonball, faggot.

>>23389506
At least Dragon Ball doesn't pretend to be realistic
Unishit tried to be Gurren Lagann in Gundam

>>23389446
It was popular, the kits were selling like crazy for an IP that was never animated.

>>23389501
I don't think that Psychoframe hax should count as actual tech, when no one actually knows what the fuck it does exactly.
>>23389507
Gundam isn't realistic, it's Star Wars tier.
If you want something that actually goes for pseudo-realism with mecha try Flag (2006).

>>23389524
It wasn't ultra realistic, but it was grounded.
RX-78-2 power came from Amuro being a Newtype and it still took lots of damage.
Zeta and ZZ had hax but still didn't make them invincible mechs.
Nu Gundam was the same, became stardust from axis shock.
Unicorn tried too hard to be the strongest mechs in fiction of all time. no vulnerabilities, no restrictions, superman writing shit, and on top of that, it can time travel like it's nothing even though we could see such things is impossible in F91, Crossbone, and Victory (and even G-Saviour)
only little brained simpletons can accept such garbage.

>>23389525
Congratulations, you are too retarded for Gundam.

>>23389528
I bet you had an orgasm seeing Lalah creating multiverses like in your marvel slop, right?

>>23389530
Just like you get off to having your dick flattened by Kira getting a super duper Strike Freedom Double Blowjob Custom that is infinity times better than the last one so he can disarm all his enemies while posturing about how morally right he is, you sub-human cockroach.

>>23389525
>ut
I'd argue that Unicorn at least tried to stay linked to CCA and tried to explain Axis Shock and that the time travel bit was a hallucination. Narrative on the other hand went insane and was completely space magic, with a newtype ghost flying around in a mobile suit powered entirely on space magic and just taking off into space at light speed

>>23389530
>hurr marvel slop multiverse bad I'm very smart

>>23389530
Ah, yes, Shuji should've started talking about Schrödinger's cat pseudo science instead of dreaming up worlds.
It wouldn't change the content, but I guess it would make it look more "grounded", right?

>>23389431 (OP)
>why did they choose this one

It was commissioned as a novel that would receive an OVA from the start you dumbass

>>23389534
>tried to explain Axis Shock

HACK FUCKING WRITING

ONLY VIRGIN AUTISTS NEED MIRACLES EXPLAINED

Axis shock did not need to have some dogshit lore tard explanation, That's how you suck the magic and wonder out of a story and turn it into boring data points for losers that stay indoors because they can't understand facial expressions.

>>23389665
>Gundam is a grounded franchise about magical wonderful miracles

I dunno at what point everyone started pretending psychics aren't scifi. Huge amounts of formative scifi includes psychics because it was popular and treated a little more credibly at the time. It was a far out concept, but not considered more far out than hyperdrives and teleporters and matter replicators. A lot of people thought unlocking the secrets of the mind and doing things previously considered impossible was all in the same spirit as making robots and hovercars.

But now we're settled on the science so everyone wants to pretend it was never allowed in the clubhouse, ignore all the scifi greats that have it. It's just silly wizard magic now.

>>23389431 (OP)
Because it is the most honest and true to the early UC. It's a perfect capstone on it. Retards screeching about newtype powers or simple legal concepts can't stop people from loving it.

>>23389431 (OP)
It was basically made to be animated in the first place.

>why did they choose this one to be part of the canon when it doesn't care about consistency and UC technology progress?

A huge part of Unicorn is that someone doesn't seem to think CCA was a big enough event to justify scaling down Newtype tech in future works, so Unicorn and something else in the future are supposed to push the Newtype stuff further and further until some big incident happens that actually causes the Federation to pretty much shelve and stop researching Newtype technology, fearing it, setting up the stage for F91 and other late UC stuff.

>>23389851
Apparently the point needed to be made even harder, considering GQux speedruns as a background plot thread the whole "maybe we shouldn't fuck around with psycobullshit anymore" stuff of CCA/UC/NT

>>23389832
>it is the most honest and true to the early UC
Only if you clap when you saw memberberries. Because the series barely has good original ideas other than copy things from the past.

we should feed ESLs to packs of starving wolves

>>23389497
Source.

>>23389431 (OP)
There aren't thousands of novels you dumbass.

>>23389497
The trilogy has sold 1.3 million total. You're so full of shit.

>>23389446
>it wasn't popular before the OVA
It was, I was there when it was announced and coming out, it was a big deal among the media and the fans.

>>23389509
>>23390241
fair enough, I stand corrected

>>23389851
>A huge part of Unicorn is that someone doesn't seem to think CCA was a big enough event to justify scaling down Newtype tech in future works,

That's just Fukui. Even Tomino didn't treat Axis Shock as anything more than a once in a lifetime miracle since F91 and Victory have much smaller scale Newtype events.

>>23390335
>and Victory have much smaller scale Newtype events.
Like hundreds of Newtypes channeling mental energy into a giant superweapon designed to mentally regress everyone on the Earth into infants so they would die without supervision.

>>23390394
Compared to moving an extinction event asteroid, that is smaller scale. Also that's still a huge number of people doing something and not just a handful of Psychoframe mobile suits stopping a colony laser blast or controlling time.

>>23390215
Source.

>>23390423
>a flashlight is more powerful than a laser because a laser only shines light on a small spot
This is what you sound like.

>>23390335
>That's just Fukui. Even Tomino didn't treat Axis Shock as anything more than a once in a lifetime miracle since F91 and Victory have much smaller scale Newtype events.
That's the thing. You'd think after an event like that they'd invest more in Newtypes, but in F91 and Victory we're back to Newtypes as legend, and although obviously you get the Angel Halo in Victory, you don't really get MS tech having evolved to use Newtypes.

Tomino himself had alluded to the idea of the Federation fearing Newtypes. The point of disagreement is more about Fukui/Bandai higher ups believing there should be bigger event justifying the downscale of Newtype Research from the Federation.

>>23389665
>That's how you suck the magic and wonder out of a story and turn it into boring data points
Get a grip, nerd. It didn't even go that far.

>>23389528
>>23389558
>>23389588
Genuine retarded faggots or tourists. Pick one.

>>23389665
This desu

>>23389724
>>23390591
Splatter your brains on a wall, tourists.

>>23390615
>>23390616
>Samefag tourist projection.

>>23389431 (OP)
The big problem with Unicorn that Bandai didn't consider is that, by all appearances, it is intended as a finale for the UC.
However, they would never kick Tomino works like F91 and Victory out of canon, no matter how much the creator detests the latter.

>>23390842
No, dumbass it is as a finale for Zeon and not all UC.

>>23390492
But the black boxing of psycho frame tech after axis shock fans we lore well before Fukui was a blip on the radar. He didn't change anything that wasn't there.

>>23390842
It was never intended to be a finale for UC. Not by Fukui, not by Bandai, not by anyone.
If anything, it might've been intended to be a finale for active Newtype technology research, as it became rarer going forward (even if F91 got Psychoframe), but that didn't need an additional elaboration.
>>23390903
It wasn't a finale for Zeon though. It wasn't even necessarily a finale for Char.

>>23390959
>>23390903
it's only a "finale" for the zeon remnants that were left on earth from the OYW, most of them got wiped out when they banded together to attack dakar and torrington

there's still remnants in space, of course

>>23391040
There are still Zeon remnants on Earth in UC 0121 that just refuse to get deported.

>>23390959
>>23391040
Republic of Zeon is no more. That's the finale of Zeon. Are y'all that dumb? Remnants can exist anytime for a y faction.

>>23391292
the postwar republic of zeon has fuckall to do with zeon uprisings, why would that even be important?

>>23391303
Zeon as any sort of power comes to an end in 0100. So anything they do afterwards is utterly fucking meaningless, that's what it means.

>>23391514
That's only in the Earth Sphere and RoZ was barely anything more than a puppet of EF anyway, even if they sometimes secretly backed the likes of Haman and Full Frontal.
Hell, Anaheim can probably trademark the word Zeon as their Granada and Side 3 factories are more of a power in their own right than RoZ ever was.
But that's besides the point that the likes of Mars Zeon and Jupiter Phantom still exist and Side 3 would also cling to its Zeon identity as Federation would lose its influence in space in late UC.

>>23389443
It made Bandai millions of dollars and sold a whole bunch of plastic. It's canon as a result of being successful.

>>23389558
Where is your actual argument then, im waiting

I've grappled with Unicorn for a long time, but after a recent rewatch I think I fully understand why. It's not entirely unlike the other UC OVAs. Nearly all of them had some level of fucking with the original continuity, they just weren't so directly associated like Unicorn was trying to be. 0080 War in a Pocket being the one I believe does the least amount of embellishment.

>A secret, new version of the RX-78 prepared for deployment.
Alright, cool. This changes very little.
>08th MS Team had the ground-type Gundam units.
A little weird, but it's focusing on another vantage point of the war that we didn't see. They're basically GMs.
>0083 Stardust Memory had more new Gundams, a colony drop, and fed directly into Zeta with the creation of the Titans.
I think the colony drop cheapens everything happening in the surrounding lore. It's redundant. There wasn't a need to double dip for the Federation to create their gestapo faction. I still love this OVA for everything else.
>Unicorn relies entirely on CCA and the broader UC for the setting. Makes a point to give the MC a pretty on-brand "Gundam youth protagonist" storyline. Gives the protagonist an in-universe literal Char clone. The Gundam units are extremely overpowered.
They could have made a storyline about the aristocracy controlling the Federation, and Zeon gaining proper independence by virtue of the lost original UC charter being found in the format of another backdrop like the rest of the OVAs. Instead it hinged heavily on inserting itself into UC proper like it's "one of the guys" with 0079, Zeta, ZZ and CCA. But then I finally realized that from a real life perspective, it's simply the actual first Build Fighters show and I shouldn't care too much and just enjoy the animation.

>>23391096
imagine the balls you'd need to continue piloting a 40 year old rickety dom against miniaturized mobile suits just because you hate feddies.

>>23392202
>They could have made a storyline about the aristocracy controlling the Federation
why aristocracy? that'd require upending the existing lore about the federation being a corrupt bureaucracy controlled by oligarchs

>>23392006
If Marvel movies do something, it's automatically bad.

>>23392518
Did you actually watch Unicorn? It explains how the influential Vist family has a stake in the Federation and why they don't want Laplace's Box found.

>>23389431 (OP)
Unicorn was conceptualized, proposed, and planned by Sunrise. They checked in with Fukui as he wrote it and sent "technical advisors" to make sure he was getting technical aspects correct.

>>23392848
Siam Vist was a terrorist who survived his own bombing and then married into the wealthy Carbine family and blackmailed the Federation by holding Laplace over their heads. That's just oligarchy, why in the hell would you consider that aristocracy?

At least the Ronahs actually wanted to establish an aristocratic society with class division, royalty, and noblesse oblige as the pillars of their nation.

Sometimes I think of how Unicorn episode 4 is above the rest of the episodes to a tremendous degree

>>23392854
That's how a lot of UC works are nowadays. I think the only one they let to have any fun with the setting without slapping the "Another UC" label on is Hasegawa.

>>23392504
It's Dwadge and they fight Manhunters, who only get surplus stuff like Jegans.
They also got some new anti-deportation comrades, like Karaba and Titans

>>23392878
You are correct. My bad. I guess the point I want to make is it has the groundwork for an interesting plot had it not made a point to make Banana's whole journey an explicit copy paste of the previous main UC protagonists. All of the other OVAs have varied casts, plots, ideas and settings that use the broader UC as a backdrop rather than muscling in to be one of the main links in a chain. But then again, it helps to consider it more of a Build Fighters tier show in terms of how seriously it needs to be taken/how much of a commercial it really is. I mean, it worked. I bought like 4 Silver Bullet kits.

>>23392854
Not even remotely true. Pull more out of your ass why don't you

>>23392878
>then married into the wealthy Carbine family
That doesn't make sense. Why a powerful and rich Zionist and Jewish family would marry a goy?

>>23396808
Petition Sunrise for a prequel OVA to explain the rise of the Carbines

couldn't be worse than 0083 as far as prequels go

>>23389446
Unicorn was absurdly popular back in 2007-2010 even before the OVA, it was one of the highest selling gundam books ever written.

>>23396808
Clearly they liked his entrepreneur spirit, I mean he's a real go-getter, having possession of the Laplace box at a mere 17 years old. Why wouldn't a wealthy industrialist family want to snatch up such talent?

>>23396924
His name sounds Muslim.

>>23396943

With how Universal Century works, does Syam hailing from a Islam-dominated portion of the world work? The Carbines may not be entirely Jewish by then and certain boards in 4chan question if present-day Israelis are descended from ancient Jews.

Unicorn just feels like fans getting their hands on canon and deciding to write in what they want to happen. At a certain point in franchise popularity and legacy everyone who wants to work on it has some sort of ulterior "and so in this one I can finally have superman marry wonder woman, like always should have happened!" motive.

>>23397051
Who the fuck cares? You act like there is this master overseer of all that is Gundam that should dictate hard rules for established lore. Christ, Gundam needs to evolve, not stagnate. Maybe it really should've just fucking ended with CCA because assbandits like you are never satisfied.

>>23397755
>Christ, Gundam needs to evolve, not stagnate.
The only two times it has really done anything different were G Gundam and Build Fighters.

>>23397755
>You act like there is this master overseer of all that is Gundam that should dictate hard rules for established lore
Yeah and it's tomino.
>Gundam needs to evolve, not stagnate
You will never, ever get that in UC sidestories and sequels written by fans. Char will come back in an even more flanderized form, shocking "truths" about the setting revealed (that the writer wishes were always true), there will be a bunch of returning mobile suit designs for HGs. It'll just be that forever.

And the worst part is they just plain suck ass lol, who wants this shit?

>>23398583
>Yeah and it's tomino.
Tomino is a dipshit though.

>>23398583
Tomino is no such thing you delusional trollop.

>>23389665
>ONLY VIRGIN AUTISTS NEED MIRACLES EXPLAINED
Do you even know Gundam? Specially UC? How new are you? You started Tomino cocksucking through G-Reco didn't you?

So what's going on with the supposed new translation coming out of this? Was it a lie? Stalled? There were supposed snipped forever ago and then it died.