Which way Zeek man?

Whatever was published in 80s data books.

>>23392004 (OP)
zeonic basically made 3 zakus and goog
zimmad made 3 distinct base ms

>>23392026
Sticking with a really strong base and developing it further is the best way to work, jumping from fresh project to fresh project is bad practice long-term

>>23392004 (OP)
and of course... nobody cares about MIP.

Half of Zeon's schtick was MIP's MAs and aquatic suits.

I remembered they briefly mentioned in Gquux that Zeonic and Anaheim are the top MS companies but never mentioned Zimmad. Is Zeonic bought Zimmad in this timeline and produced Dom & Gyan?

>>23392071
Given Kycilia is on the moon along with Anaheim, I assume Anaheim bought Zimmad.

>>23392026
Dom is the only good mech on zimmad's list, Zudah was a mess and didn't get fixed until it was far too late and gyan had nothing going for it that giving it's weapons to a gelgoog wouldn't accomplish.

>>23392004 (OP)
Both.

>>23392004 (OP)
How come the Gyan can use a beam saber but can't use a beam rifle?

>>23392098
Didn't Zimmad also made the Galbaldy α considering it was a succesor for the Gyan?

>>23392029
Also the Zaku line was based on making just a general good Mobile Suit while Zimmad tried to add novelty at the expense of cost and performance.
>we want to make the fastest Mobile Suit so it might explode
>the Gogg goes all-in on its idea of "use water as a cooling system" so it has a forced integration of beam weaponry even if it serves little purpose and sucks if it has to be used outside of the water, the Z'Gok is an upgrade by doing basically the same thing but not being as pigeonholed by the cooling gimmick
>we want to go all-in on this fencing theme to appeal to M'qve, what is the Gyan supposed to be useful for? idk
It's telling that their most successful Mobile Suit has the least gimmicks, with the main one that it is centered on is a generally useful idea with the hover functionality.

>>23392004 (OP)
Wasn't Efreet also a Zimmad product?

>Be mega particle cannon manufacturer
>Zeon needs amphibious MS
>Zeonic and Zimmad make Acguy and Gogg respectively
>Mog the shit out of them with the Z'gok
>refuse to elaborate further and go back to mega particle cannons

Zeonic suits are generally less flashy but reliable in the field.
Zimmad suits have a performance edge but overspecialization and/or design flaws make them a hard sell for mass production.

>>23392141
>How come the Gyan can use a beam saber but can't use a beam rifle?


I also want to know the answer to this question.

>>23392222
The reasoning is reactor. The same reason the Hizack has to choose between a beam rifle and a heat hawk, or a beam saber and a machine gun.

>>23392026
And the Gelgoog out performs all of them.

>>23392232
I never understood the problem here. Couldn't it just power down the beam saber to fire the rifle and vice versa?
>>23392004 (OP)
Zeonic all the way, but Dom is cool too and Gyan is growing on me recently
>>23392142
I thought the Galbaldy was more a combination of the Gelgoog and Gyan

>>23392248
>I never understood the problem here. Couldn't it just power down the beam saber to fire the rifle and vice versa?
I dunno by all logic it doesn't make sense. especially since don't Zeta era suits use e-caps?

>>23392034
Maybe if MIP wasn't a bunch of headass retards cranking out the dumbest mobile armors known to man to lap up stupid Zeon contracts people would respect them more
>>23392004 (OP)
The Dom is phenomenal and Zimmad is a cool company but I think after the Zudah exploded something broke inside the engineers/management of Zimmad which yielded stuff like the Gyan which is a technical marvel for its time but also all that innovation is to just make a stupid machine for a stupid niche purpose. They should of just waited to develop a better power plant and added more thrusters and a beam rifle and they would of had another great design. I think it's telling that the Zaku would go on to still be produced in multiple different iterations after the war meanwhile the closest thing Zimmad got to a continuation was the Galbaldy Beta which is really just a Gelgoog anyways

>>23392232
>The reasoning is reactor. The same reason the Hizack has to choose between a beam rifle and a heat hawk, or a beam saber and a machine gun.
Huh? Why would the Hizack have this problem? If the original Gundam can use a beam saber and rifle, then why would the Hizack have a problem? The Hizack is 7 years newer.

>>23392026
I mean, the gyan did pretty good against the gundam all things considered. Specially when you consider M'quve wasnt that good a pilot.

>>23392296
You don't design tech to constantly be improving in specs. Earth Federation's R&D preference is generally to make something of super high quality as a proof of concept and then shave it down to the necessities while improving on the most important aspects for mass production. Some suits are designed to use multiple beam weapons while others might want to conserve the energy for other reasons like a preference for efficiency.

>>23392004 (OP)
Zudah bros its time to assemble
>but it might expl-
skill issue

>>23392004 (OP)
Zeonic for main battle line suits, Zimmad for specialized exploitation and breakthrough models, hybrid designs incorporating the best of both in the postwar. And somebody else to fix or scratch redesign the more retarded conventional vehicles for localized Earth use.

>>23392034
>>23392165
MIP is in the even more specialized wheelhouse of the three, but still valuable because there ought to be a step up from heavy MS to then be escorted to destroying even larger targets.

>>23392313
engine limiter issue

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>>23392296
https://desuarchive.org/m/thread/21735952/#21745696
The Hizack went into production with a reactor that had trouble reaching its intended output.

>>23392251
>>23392248
It never made a whole lot of sense. E-caps already existed with the original RX-78, and the sabers usually also run off an internal battery. Besides, a mobile suit stationed at a base or ship wouldn't need to charge it's own weapons, it can have the ship or base do that, and when they sortie they usually pick up prepared weapons from the rack on the wall before getting on the ship's catapult. In theory the only time the Hizack's reactor wouldn't be able to handle the workload was if both the beam rifle and beam saber were running empty and recharging from the reactor at the same time, but again, that's usually not the case.

>>23392222
It's doctrine and preference more than incompatibility. M'Quve preferred close combat, and Gyan's only having bombs and shield rockets was supposed to be made up for by operating alongside the Rick Dom. Rarely, the Gyan is sometimes depicted with the Gelgoog's beam rifle.

>>23392259
This post reads like it was written by someone actually living in Side 3

>>23392383
If the generator doesn't quite meet Zeta-era (0086) standards, then is it not possible to simply use a lower output beam saber and beam rifle? Maybe something from 0083?

>>23392413
It would probably help. Or just program a simple failsafe into the cockpit computer's OS to prevent automatically recharging the beam rifle and beam saber at the same time, only allow one to charge after the other is done. Somehow the Titans are just kinda stupid, almost as if it was intended to allow the scrappy AEUG to keep getting wins on them.

>>23392259
It's okay, Zimmad's legacy lives on in the Dowas which was promptly sold to Anaheim to become a developmental stepping stone to the Rick Dias. Hizack is a tainted abomination of Zeonic and Federation technology, while the Zaku III is just a completely new MS with the facade of a Zaku head for sake of nostalgia.

>>23392259
Did you just dismiss the entire Dom lineage?

>>23392004 (OP)
MIPS

>>23392440
Zaku III is a direct successor of Zaku and Gelgoog, which is itself just new Zaku

>>23392004 (OP)
Gotta go with Zimmad even though they're EXTREMELY top-heavy.
I give no fucks about any Doms so that eliminates 85% of their shit, but the Gyans and Zudahs are just too damn great. The Gogg bros are aight too, and I'm seeing this Ghoul for the first time and it's a total beaut (though it looks pretty useless in a fight)

>>23392004 (OP)
definitely zimmad, the dwadge was probably the best mass produced ground MS and performed well even against much newer suits. if the gyan wasn't held back by m'quve being a retard and the zudah allowed to have its engine issues ironed out, zimmad would've won zeon the war. but alas, zeonic spamming limited production run zaku 2 variants and wasting time on the gelgoog was more important than just mass producing the act zaku.

>>23392004 (OP)
luv me zudahs
luv me doms
luv me gyans
an' i LOVE me 'freets

>>23393400
dawg nobody knows who made the fuckin freets

Zimmad had coole suits, I really love the DOM

>>23392004 (OP)
Why do you count Zaku and Zaku 2 as seperate units for Zeonic...


....but you don't count Dom and Rick Dom as seperate units for Zimmad?

>>23393412
Ah shit, I thought I read somewhere it was posited as a competitor to the Gouf by Zimmad

>>23393417
No, Zimmad had another competitor for Gouf, model number of which got reused for Efreet.
In the end, some of its features got rolled into the production version of Gouf and then Zimmad also used Gouf as a base for further prototyping of Dom.

>>23393417
Some sources say it was a Zimmad project (though not a Gout competitor), some say it's a California Base original, some gloss over that part.

>>23392004 (OP)
ZIMMAD

>>23393415
>Why do you count Zaku and Zaku 2 as seperate units for Zeonic.......but you don't count Dom and Rick Dom as seperate units for Zimmad?
The Zaku I and II are different units. The Zaku II F type and the Zaku II J type are space and ground models of the same unit. Same for Dom vs Rick Dom

>>23392004 (OP)
You didn't include any of Zimmad water mobile suits? You are obviously Zeonic fanboy trying to make Zimmad look bad.

>>23392004 (OP)
Anaheim.

>>23393415
>why are MS-05 and MS-06 separate but MS-09 and MS-09R aren't?

>>23392004 (OP)
>first proper combat ms
>one of the most produced and accomplished ms, even if it fell off later in the war
>first ms to go toe to toe with gundam on the ground
>first ms to match gundam all around
vs
>explodes
>domu * biiimu <з
>space-faring ms with no ranged weapons lol

>>23392004 (OP)
This is how I Turn A.

>>23399274
that's no Zaku boy, no Zaku

>>23392004 (OP)
The Rick Dom and Gyan aesthetically run circles around the clunky gelgoog and dinky zaku. Gouf is aight tho, gets a pass.

Consider the following:

Despite its chunky appearance, the Dom isn't actually a heavily-armored Mobile Suit. Its thick shape is due to having to house the engines that allow it to be so maneuverable in both space and on Earth. Thi combined with using mere steel for armor, the Dom's defense really isn't any better than that of a Zaku II.

>>23401719
The Dom was basically Zeon's answer to defeating Federation Tanks on Earth. The Dom was Heavier armored and could move quickly under gravity. Zeon could finally use speedy blitz tactics again like they did in space.

The Zaku 2 struggled under gravity. They still gave Zeon the advantage but the advantage was much smaller compared to space. So the Federation could mass together tanks, and still hold the line in certain areas on Earth. The Zaku couldn't do anything against a defense line of Federation tanks and artillery. Not without charging into them with a bunch of other Zakus, but then Zeon would take too many casualties.

The Dom was meant to solve that. Fast, Quick, and heavy enough to probably withstand a tank attack and not be disabled. A Zaku getting hit by a tank shell might lose a limb or the legs mught be disabled. But The Dom is sturdy enough to keep going and crush past the Federation Type 61 tanks and their defense lines.

>>23401719
it's literally called a heavy mobile suit

>>23401719
Dom's empty weight is actually lighter than Zaku's, so it might even be less armored. But when beams oneshot you anyway, might as well spec everything into mobility and firepower, with its big efficient engines and higher carrying capacity letting it carry heavier weapons. The signature skirt armor would be lighter duty than Zaku's armor, optimized so that handheld and light tank weaponry can't disable it by shooting the joints or engines, but not cut out for tanking larger caliber fire like Zaku can.

>>23401775
>>23401822
This may be a stupid question, but why can't older suits like Dom be covered in anti-beam coating just like Hyaku Shiki? Sort of like attaching ERA armor to the outside ofolder tanks to stop newer tank shells. That way Doms can be made useful again in later wars which involve a lot of beams. You take an old Dom suit, uograde the generator so it can fire beams, and bam it's ready to be used in new wars.

>>23401862
Because the Dom is a piece of shit vs newer suits with moveable frames, magnetic coating on the joints, overall lighter weight, etc. Zeta shows us during the second at Jaburo that basically every MS has developed the ability to hover on land already, and even then land based co.bat was moving more in the direction of leaping around anyways. The Dom is cool but it is an inferior suit for sure. The only Zeon suit that would be retrofitted effectively from the OYW and used much later than it really had any right to was the Gelgoog in the form of the Regelgu, which makes sense because the Gelgoog was one of the most excellent machines of the OYW even if outdated quickly

>>23401862
Aside from what other anon said, I'd imagine most Doms would be scrapped past the OYW. It's an awkward transition model, it's specialized for combat but it's been surpassed by superior suits since then and thus serves little purpose. Gelgoogs are at the pinnacle of MS development and have upgrade potential so they are worth keeping around for further conflicts, Zakus are reliable and still have labor mobile suit DNA in them so they'd get their armaments stripped and sent to construction sites and rice fields, while Doms don't really serve a purpose past OYW.

>>23401891
>Zeta shows us during the second at Jaburo that basically every MS has developed the ability to hover on land already,
According to the databooks, the hovering ability of Zeta mobile suits is limited. They can't maintain it for very long and need to stop. The top hover speed is also not fast.

Meanwhile the Dom is dedicated for hovering continuously. They can hover indefinitely because of nuclear jet engines. And the top hover speed is 240 mph. That about as fast as some low end airplanes. I know you hate Dom but at least give the suit some credit. It does one thing and does it VERY well. Still hasn't been surpassed in hovering ability even by Zeta era.

>>23401987
arguably the true atmospheric flight capabilities of the Asshimar are an upgrade over the Dom