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/m/'s thoughts on Polka Gundam?

It cemented my opinion that I detest Tomino fanboys.

Trash, poisoned from the get go. Made by "fans" who didn't even understand what they were fans of. A mess of at least 2 disparate premises with two target audiences fused together, you can see which of those premises was quickly forgetten. A show so dull and half baked that after every episode it's knuckledragging defenders tried to say it was like that on purpose, only for the creeping realisation that the show was genuinely that shallow to wash over them like flood rains washing away topsoil.
It's a show that wiffs away any enthusiasm for itself after the 5th episode. A show whose greatest service is reminding you of better anime you could watch instead, like MSG Zeta or CCA. A show designed for the trivia section of a fandom wikia page instead of being good on its own.
That was a lot of words, so for those with illiteracy (Gquuuuuux fans) I'll sum it up:
It's "Dishonest Mecha"

>>23396405
Why, because they didn't like a show you did and it hurt your feelings?

>>23396402 (OP)
Best anime since Brain Powerd.

>>23396486
>"Dishonest Mecha"
Stop trying to force that meme, shithead.
And yes, I know it's you in all of these. The capitalization gives it away.

>>23396486
>the creeping realisation that the show was genuinely that shallow to wash over them like flood rains washing away topsoil.
You really thought this was going to sound profound and poetic, but it actually makes you look like a dumbass.

And, by the way,
>it's knuckledragging defenders
*its

>>23396486
>Dishonest Mecha
Are you clinical retarded?

It could have used more episodes

>>23396402 (OP)
Gquuuuuux was my first Gundam and I really enjoyed it, and the first anime I have watched in over a decade
MSG79 I am also enjoying but not as much and in a different way
I am planning to watch Gwitch next, then IBO after

>>23396402 (OP)
So what the fuck was "The Beginning"? Was alternate Lalah who send the message? Why can Machu's Haro read her mind? Hell, why is that Haro the key to activate the Omega Psycommu?
Does the Gquuux real name being Endymion mean something?

The series just gave me a lot of unanswered questions that actually matter and I hate that

>>23397159
I guess that the "canon" UC (lalah dies) was an alternate universe from what really happened (char dies)

does that make gquuuuuux a prequel technically?
what does gquuuuuux have 6 'u' in the name?
why do people call it gquacks when that's not how the english VAs say it?

>>23396402 (OP)
Im assuming you mean the mech since it wouldnt take a detective to pick up on the massive negative response to the show
Its alright, kind of an ugly evangelion filled with too many extraneous details that take away from the design, it becomes even uglier with the black holes, it is at its best at base design, armed only with the axe

would you still a machu if she was a potted plant

Japanese gundam fans liked it.
Western "fans" have to pretend to hate it, though. Anno bad, etc.

>>23397180
Why do you think they are pretending?

>>23397180
So what? Japanese Gundam fans liked Seed Destiny

>>23397336
>b-but muh seed
Americans come with 5 pre-set thoughts.

>>23397180
I've seen plenty of Japanese people say they didn't like it online. They aren't a hivemind.

>>23396562
There are two types of tomino fans, the ones that kiss his ass blindly without actually consuming the media he makes, and the ones who have actually watched his stuff enough to understand it relatively. GQuuuuuuX was made for the former by the former. In an attempt to tribute an Honor Tomino-san's great work an stay as fateful to his work as possible, they've ironically missed the mark entirely about what makes his works good, outing themselves as people who've never truly engaged with his shows.

>>23396402 (OP)
I would argue that it is a reverse situation of WfM: WfM suffers for not knowing where to go with the plot and some for some episodes it just stumbles, Gqx suffers from trying to tell an alternate UC story + coming of age story + multiverse fuckery with final "twist" at the end (the story is the alt-UC of an alt-UC) in half the episodes. There is just too much to say and to see, by the end for me at least there isn't really a moment when the show jumps the shark, it is just that whatever story they were telling (quality aside) is swallowed in the Great Need To Advance The Plot(tm) and things just happens not becuase it is a consequence of something happening in the show but because there is the need to tick the box in the list things that should happen during the show.
In short, I don't believe it is absolutely not enjoyable, but it would be hard for it to be better without another cour.

>>23397180
No they didnt, weve seen the scores on japanese sites, why lie

>>23396402 (OP)
I can't speak for anyone else but: G-QuuuuuuX (Th Gundam) was lame and so was its "Big Reveal" and gimmick, Fred was based. Machu was annoying at first but she was at her best when things fell apart around her, Nyaan was more interesting even though she had the whole "I have no idea what im doing" thing going for her, and conducting Massmurder. It was really just Challias show.

I don't regret watching it, but it was kinda unsatisfying and i feel it failed to actually do what it tried to do aside from being Clapbait.

>>23397177
I don't understand the potted plant fetish like at all

>>23397379
the guys who watched ideon don't get tomino sure.

I actually liked this show for most of it's run but I feel like I've been left with a huge lack of satisfaction and closure. It feels like something in the back of my mind is waiting for a conclusion even though we most certainly got one.
I also can't help but feel like I was super interested in the setting at first but the nature of the ending kind of made me feel like it doesn't really matter.

>>23397159
>Does the Gquuux real name being Endymion mean something?
That one's solved with a quick google search of the name.

i liked it, it felt refreshing. I thought it was going to be a rehash of Unicorn or something like that but fortunately didnt go that route.
I would understand hardcore fans would have loved that. I was there, i grew out of it, eventually you want new stories being told not the exact same freaking old shit time after time

>>23398290
Why did you think a complete alternate timeline that focused on 6 years after the OYW was going to be a rehash of Unicorn?
Why would you assume hardcore fans would have loved a rehash of Unicorn? You're describing Narrative and it's generally poorly regarded among hardcore Gundam fans.
What a strange post.

>>23397159
>Endymion
it's Amuro Ray's ghost hiding in the psychoframe from the Nu Gundam after the Axis Shock

I really enjoyed it but I wish it was longer. I miss 50 episode mecha anime. GQuuuuux was weird but grew on me as a mecha design but some were perfect like the Gelgoog and Gyan. Characters were hilariously fucked up which I liked for some reason.

>>23396486
What the christ did this guy mean by any of this? It was a lot of words that barely said anything.

>>23396564

This was the fucking perfect show to watch right after Brain Powerd and this nigger fucking right here gets it. I will fuck all of your mothers and sisters.

>>23397159
>So what the fuck was "The Beginning"?
What are you referring to exactly?

>Was alternate Lalah who send the message?
The phone messages?

>Why can Machu's Haro read her mind?
Amuro. Remember he designed the Haro in 0079?
>Hell, why is that Haro the key to activate the Omega Psycommu?
Amuro.
>Does the Gquuux real name being Endymion mean something?
Yeah it means its Amuro sleeping inside the Oopart they used to make the GQuuuuux and why the Haro is important.
>The series just gave me a lot of unanswered questions that actually matter and I hate that
Have you actually tried to figure out the answers though?

>>23397379
>they've ironically missed the mark entirely about what makes his works good,

What makes Tomino's work so good?

>>23397177
You have a weird fetish, M'Quve.

>>23398376
I like how Amuro was entirely comfortable being the ghost in the machine of the Endymion. In Blue Destiny entombed Newtype Marion Welch was essentially screaming for help. In IBO Ein Dalton's existence became more and more cursed the more mechanical he became. In G-Witch Prospera's main plan was to get Ericht OUT of the Gundam. And now here Amuro's content to play support for Machu, calming her down and directing her where to go. He could probably, if he wanted, warp to the main timeline, track down where Bright is, salute his old friend, then return to the GQuuuuuuX timeline to support Machu more.

After watching this shit I'm filing away in my brain that Enokido's senile in and of himself now, no excuse about taking orders from Anno this time around.

>>23398402
Retard.

>>23398488
You're a dumbass.

>>23396402 (OP)
Overall I liked it, but with caveat, as I think is the case for most people. It feels like 2 shows crammed into one very short 12 episode run and as a result feels really disjointed. The last episode really was the peak of "to much stuff crammed into a small timeframe." I liked the idea of unexplained stuff happening due to the zeknova, but I hated the idea of the giant Gundam which I thought was just stupid. It's also insulting that we didn't get an OG Gundam vs Red Gundam fight at least. Idk, a lot of it hits, but also a lot of it misses and it really should of at least been a 2 cour show

This was very similar to Unicorn in the sense that both fundamentally misunderstand what Newtypes mean on a thematic level. I didnt like the characters either, Shuji is not at all the type of romantic interest you could make your two protagonists cling onto, all the characters were half baked.

>>23398614
So what do newtypes mean?

Gremlin

>>23398614
>Shuji is not at all the type of romantic interest you could make your two protagonists cling onto, all the characters were half baked.
Teenage girls are FUCKING RETARDED bro
That's the most realistic thing out of GQux

>>23398621
In my interpretation they're supposed to represent the new generation of youth and the hope that they will change humanity for the better. Their telepathic powers that allow them to overcome misunderstanding is supposed to symbolize the hope that the new generation can overcome the misunderstandings that are the root of war. The point was not that they are superhumans or an evolved humanity, they are a humanity that has matured, not fundamentally different from non-newtypes (amuro literally says so in 0079, that newtypes arent "special humans"). This is the symbolism of newtypes awakening in space, like children growing up after leaving the cradle that is earth, it is maturation, not evolution. All of this optimism for the next generation is however tempered with the clashing perceptions of what newtypes are, what they should be and what they can do, representing how the expectations and authority of the old generation can still subvert and exploit the new (see cyber-newtypes, thinking of newtypes only as aces or espers, using newtypes as a pretext for wiping out the "old humanity").
Unicorn and Gquux do away with all this nuance by reducing newtypes to literal superhumans that evolved in space. They are shown as transcending "oldtypes", as ruling over time and space and being "stronger" than them, there is a strong focus on newtypes being the new stage humanity that must be liberated from the rule the old humans, its not framed as a generational conflict but almost a racial one. Thats why Lalah ruling over universes as a demiurge and Machu talking about a real newtype being strong come off as completely wrong, it misses the point of what they originally meant.

>>23396562
Ironic since you are shitting your pants over people liking a show you don't and acting like it's everyone else who is mad. Delusional.

>>23398650
Absolutely not. They could at least have made him something like a shoujo manga style rape chad or have him actually do something heroic for the girls or show him understanding them in a profound way but we get nothing of the sort and are expected to believe that Machu and Nyaan are now obsessed with this wooden log of a guy, just because he looks pretty and has no sense of personal space.

>>23398670
>In my interpretation
Stopped reading.

>>23398670
Funny thing is that Gundam X's whole "Newtypes aren't Gods or Saviors!" was actually meant to be a criticism of the fandom. Shinji Takamatsu had just done Might Gaine which ended with meta themes, and X also is supposed to be seen under that light. The Japanese wiki article talks a lot about it. Its Japanese subtitle for example, "Shinseiki" comes from an event with exhibition of the first Gundam movie). So, the two factions considering Newtypes Gods or Invincible Super weapons were critcism of the Gundam fans themselves at the time. And it turns out he read the fans perfectly considering the kind of work these fans started producing when they were old and influential enough to join the creative side.

>>23398696
Yeah, the way X handled Newtypes was the most interesting thing about the show. I really like the idea of newtypes not seeing visions of the future but "hopeful delusions", it really contrasts against Lalah being able to see other worlds in her dreams in Gquux.

>>23398707
So is there just like a pipeline now people go from Gquuuuuux straight to X?

>>23396486
I got to watch giant robots beat the fuck out of each other and got some sick Gunplas from the series that I've wasted money on, and they scare away women. My virginity is protected and I remain barren.

>>23398739
No, it's the Xfag trying to shill the cancelled show again.

>>23398626
How does she move like that

>>23396402 (OP)
Do the Deux

>>23396402 (OP)
Honestly my biggest gripe with this show is that the writers seemingly went so far out of their way to keep the protagonist isolated from the greater story at play. The second half of the series is basically just Machu just crashing from one plot point to the next without really understanding anything and that just left a really bad taste in my mouth.

>>23400236
No that was your boyfriend's cum.

I luv me Machu, simple as

>>23400236
that's because the main driver of the plot is UC Amuro Ray, whose soul is in the Gundam Endymion after his psychoframe was found as an OOP by the Principality, and the Rose of Sharon, who is teleporting people around because she's a little bitch

>>23401694
That sounds incredibly retarded

>>23401696
yeah, it was
I liked it anyway

>>23401694
sorry. not sorry

>>23398739
Worked for me. God knows I needed it.

this show fucking sucked buddy

>>23400236
why not just say the writing was shit?

>>23403024
Thanks Captain Obvious.

>>23396402 (OP)
I just finished it today. I felt like it tried to do too many things and failed as a result. I dont think a second season can salvage it.

>>23403035
Because I dont have a double digit IQ and can articulate my thoughts and opinions in more than just a shitpost?

>>23404651
a lot of words to just say it's shit writing, you fucking psued

>>23403024
It was pretty cool actually.

>>23409592
If you have brain damage

>>23396402 (OP)
it pisses off genres of people I find unlikeable so I like it out of contrarianism

>>23411632
>genres of people

>>23411695
yes, whats wrong with that

>>23396402 (OP)
I actually Liked the final battle, even if I preferred the 0079 style battle choreography better as a whole

>>23397180
why dont you just throw away all standards and go watch seasonal slop

Not close as good as G Gundam.

>>23396402 (OP)
>Polka Gundam itself
pretty shit design but i gotta admit i love that SD in your pic-related

>G-EVA
idk why anybody cares about this one, other than the head it really is just a recolor of polka-gundam. people have been painting gunpla in evangelion colors for decades now.

>Red/White Gundam
line-art was fugly as hell but somehow it looked alright in animation and the Gunpla people did a great job adjusting the HG itself to not look terrible

>Psycho Mk II
noice, noice. I love the third form even if it was a bit heavy on the EVA pandering

>Hambrabi
not enough screentime to render a decision.

>Zaku
not necessarily a bad redesign but this motherfucker gets redesigned every time there's a new OYW ova and GQX's wasn't particularly memorable, especially right after RFV.

>"Gelgoog"
kinda mid desu. "the daughtress we have at home". same complaints i had about every OYW ova having a superior zaku redesign apply here since the GM always gets a redesign too.

>Gyan
S-tier. as always, the Gyan is GOATed.

>Kikeroga/Braw-Bro
ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh neat gimmick but they fumbled the delivery. I was hoping that spindly skeleton would turn out to be some half-transformation and we'd get to see the real kikeroga in the last ep (eg, by having the braw-bro armor open up and wrap itself around the frame) but apparently khara actually thought that weird spindly thing looks intimidating.

>>23416766
Kikeroga looks bad standing still, but looks amazing in motion

>>23416766
that gyan and the pyscho MK II where the only good suits of the whole show

>>23417179
Both Hambrabi's will rape you in your sleep

>>23417290
Zeta hambrabi >>>