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>>23356227

--useful links--
https://hobby.dengeki.com/title_re-boot/
>official Reboot illustration list, missing first few entries

https://gundamguy.blogspot.com/2013/12/mobile-suit-z-gundam-advance-of-zeta.html
>scans of some of the earlier entries

https://hobby.dengeki.com/comic_novel/19559/
>samples of the ongoing manga

https://m.weibo.cn/u/6199800362?
>weibo page of Watership 4.5, a fan circle that makes 3d models and prints of many AoZ designs. Good insight into how they function.

http://www.inask.net/blog-category-144.html
>another page with their stuff

https://archive.org/details/Advance_of_Z_The_Flag_of_Titans_Vol.1/mode/2up
>internet archive has scans of The Flag of Titans compiled in 6 volumes, this is the first one

https://jim-quail.github.io/aoz-reboot-translations
>WIP translation project for AoZ Reboot, beginning with Dengeki entries

>>23397127 (OP)
My gundamfu is just too cool

>>23396331
>A lot of these posts are all me btw. No joke. Sometimes I reply to myself using different writing styles to pretend I'm a different anon just to get ideas out there and the discussion rolling.
>well this is awkward cause I've been doing the same thing
This is extremely concerning because I do this a lot in these threads. And if you do it as regularly as I do, then about 1/3 or more of the posts might just be us two talking to each other while also sometimes pretending to be different people. I'm not sure what to make of this, but since everyone says /aoz/ is really chill then our flavor of schizophrenia might hit just right.

>>23397127 (OP)
Latest volume
https://hobby.dengeki.com/aoz/illust/reboot80/
>>23397836
There's something to be said about the sanest general here being like that because there's only a handful of regular anons in it and solid 90% of the board doesn't care about it at all,
Either way I'd also add that I also made every previous new thread from the very beginning, including the ones where I forgot to add the title.
Seeing this thread get started by someone else is like watching a child walk for the first time.

So let's talk about the latest illustration.

Notice how the clavicle armor of the Owsla Hrair is the same as the one equipped on the Barzam II. I wonder if the FoT clavicle bit seen on the Owsla and the Gigantic Arms unit has been retconned out of existence or if this is just a different variant. I don't think it has been seen on any new ReBoot design so it might've gone the way of the old ground type feet for the Woundwort. Which I'll never forgive or forget.

Also, how is holding the Long Blade Rifle (which actually isn't a Long Blade Rifle anymore does it have a new name?)? It seems to have a bellows frame (that's what it's called right?) but where is it supposed to be attached to? Other than vaguely up it's own ass.

>>23397852
It's just the usual TR-S style missile units, we've been seeing them all over the place recently and they've been around since the start of Reboot. TR-1's seen on normal Owsla missiles are their prototype.
As for the long rifle I don't think it has a specific name but it's been referred to as an enhanced model relative to the classic blade rifle. Which does make sense, you can imagine this upgrade assumes the heat blade wasn't worth its weight and instead the barrel has enhanced cooling and beam convergence. It seems like Hazel is holding onto the handle on top, it's a light grip but it looks cool.
And the bellows frame subarm here seems to be in a compact form and only holding onto the rifle. Given its place I assume it takes the role of the simple connector the heat blade had, allowing it to attach onto the shoulder for stability in long range sniping and for storage. Given this is a bellows arm it might be equipped to transfer power and energy too, raising the rifle's output.

>>23397836
God bless you two, my schizo bros

>>23397845
>>23397836
I'm fine with this as a lurker because AoZfags have the best taste and you guys have cool things to say

I'm remiss to say it but I can't fucking stand the Owlsa type designs with the suspender looking armor and diaper skirt armor for the subarms. I like chunkiness but not when it's jutting out there like that. I don't really mind it on the GAU because it has the bulk to match the weird silouette but otherwise I really gravitate to the sleekness of TR-6 suits

>>23398387
I like it because it's so clunky, they're slapping as many upgrades as they can onto a pretty dated platform to help it keep up and to gather as much data as they can with it.

love AEUG

By incorporating Geara Doga design elements, Sexen Wolf can easily blend in with CCA-style works.

When I was looking at them seperately I couldn't shake the feeling that the Holst unit on regular Hrududu and Thethuthinnang Hrair have different details, but I compared them side by side and they are the same after all, with the only inconsistencies coming from the resolution difference. Curiously, when overlaying them they don't match the proportions exactly, but I'm chalking that up to the difference in the central structure - switching Hrududu for Hrair parts makes the whole thing a bit wider.
One thing I'm still wondering about is how do the cylindrical drum frames attach there. Based on the latest volume I'm fairly confident the boosters are connected directly onto the same latches as the wing units, but the Marasai art makes it look like it might be between them afer all. Hrududu's solo lineart leaves little room for doubt they're separate, and it looks like they mount onto the wing unit latch together with the boosters which is a bit strange to me. On Thethuthinnang Hrair it's harder to tell due to the claw units - which is the other weird thing.
On independent Thethuthinnang Hrair, the claws have their "top" sides to the left and right, whereas on the Marasai they seem to rotate and these are facing upwards. Similarly on solo Thethuthinnang Hrair the boosters look like they're beneath the drum frames, but on the Marasai it's like they're on the same level.

>>23397870
Full TR-S and ZIII designs haven't been revealed yet because they have no structural integrity, the legs are just heaps of scrap parts and greebles piled on each other until the unit can somewhat stand

>>23398706
what does ReZEL have to do with anything here?

>>23398706
The TR-S's legs are just movable-frame versions of the Hazel legs attached to Woundwort thighs thoughbeit, we've already seen this.

>>23398728
And somehow despite an inner frame they still look less stable
The allergy to clean lines in these designs is getting to much for me to handle

>>23398760
I mean honestly out of most AoZ legs these aren't that wild, they're very Mark II/Hyaku Shiki styled Hazel legs.They just have a couple of armour protrusions but nothing that weird going on, they are still structurally just Hazel legs for all intents and purposes really. Small feet though, Fujioka absolutely loves his tiny feet. It's one thing when it's the Woundwort etc with their out of the ordinary designs but I think he went a little far with the tiny TR-S (and Reben Wolf evenmore so) feet.

>>23398771
Yeah these legs are perfectly fine if you ask me. As for the feet I just approach it from the watsonian perspective: if they had to be bigger, they would be bigger; they're not so they don't need to be.

>>23398604
It's a surprisingly versatile design. I'm putting a Hazenthley II head on mine once I find one for a reasonable price.

>>23397845
I love the E-Pac revolver so much, it's so fucking silly but so fucking nuts

What's your collection looking like /aoz/ros?

I need simple, concise, straight forward yet detailed explanations on what the fuck is a
>transpack
>drum frame
>bellow frame

>>23398604
>>23398978
I hope we get a feddy reben wolf to continue the cycle of the doven-wolf family of suits being passed repeatedly between the federation and zeon

>>23399001
>Transpack
Shared backpack system between several Feddie MS models based on using the same standard connection to the torso. They can all be equipped with each other's backpacks and specialized options like cannon pack, radome pack etc.
>Drum frame
A sort of bearing made up of a driving core unit within a disk which can be freely rotated. It's simple and robust, specialized for heavy duty and durable engineering such as mobile workers. Some mobile suits use that in parts with heavy loads such as transformation systems or large equipment.
>Bellows frame
Joint structure based on OYW Zeon amphibious suits, focused on versatility and flexibility. It can collapse and extend as needed, mainly used for joining together different parts, enabling power and data transfer between them.

Mars zeon is now my favorite subfaction
Thank you, aoz

>>23399052
For me, it was the new F90 manga that made me love them.

>>23399060
whats it called? I've only seen the f90 movie nothing past that

/r/ing the opinion of the AoZ experts.

I went ahead and bought the red version on the AK TR-6 bootleg. I realize the red Woundwort only exists as the basis for the Barzam II, but if it were to be it's own unit, would it have the standard v-fin or the Pyscho Blade equipped? Do all ReZeon TR-6 units have the blade attached? What are we thinking lads?

>>23399102
It's pretty much souped up commander-use spec, and it's still rare among ReZeon's TR-6s. Gloria's unit has one and the ReHaze has a modified version, but besides that I think we only see it with the Barzam II which is a pretty rare commander unit. All the Kehaar IIs don't have them.
A red Woundy without the Blade is totally fine, and probably more likely if anything.

>>23399052
For me it was GBO2 that made me like stuff like the RF Dom

>>23399100
Seen F91 movie, you mean.
There's a bunch of manga, starting with Gundam F90 which is what introduced Mars in UC and Mars Zeon. The modern F90 Fastest Formula and F90 Cluster expand more on the entire era from post-Hathaway to F91. They focus on tying together early and late UC both with the factions and thematically, all the while referencing a boatload of side stories (including AoZ).

>>23398387
Owsla has that strange sort of flexibility to it, it can look very elegant too.

>>23398387
>the suspender looking armor
The what now?

took me a moment to realize it's the TR Barzam

>>23399107
Where's the reactor in the TR units? Vents are still in the chest but there's no backpack.

>>23399993
Woundwort has generators in the thighs and the booster pod. Heat vents don't necessarily indicate where the power output is, just an area that needs to get cooled down faster.

>>23400018
Generators aren't reactors thoughbeit

>>23400218
True that, but - like it or not - "generator" and "reactor" are used pretty much interchangeably for Gundam and Woundwort only has anything written about the generators.
I generally understand that as reactors having the generators built in with them as a single unit, with the only exception being situations where there are additional generators besides that. For example RX-78 has a pair of reactors in the core fighter, but once it's connected to the body the power output rises because the supplemental generators allow for extracting additional electricity from the reactor heat.
In terms of Woundwort all we know is there are generators in the thighs and booster pod, and logically these are reactors as well. AFAIK there's no evidence one way or another if the Primrose II has some kind of generator as well. I'm leaning towards only some capacitors or such given its size and the fact that even when intended to be operating independently it's linked with a booster pod as Hrududu II.
By comparison regular Primrose almost definitely has the power generation of Hazel since it replaces the torso where the reactors originally were and it's intended for independent use without the need for a booster pod.

>>23400239
Given Primrose II is a universal replacement for Primrose I, we can expect it has a reactor and generator inside it as well.

>>23400249
Not necessarily. It fulfills the same function, but it doesn't mean it can do exactly 1:1 same things. For example I don't believe you can slap the Primrose side binders onto it and mount a missile pod, winch cannon or thrusters onto that. Of course it has the new and refined wing binders shared with TR-S design, but due to the structure these are purged when launching the Primrose II. I imagine it could retain them if it stays in the compact form but that's not going to be flying by itself, it's typically used as part of Hrududu II.
After looking around a bit I wonder if it's a situation like S Gundam's G-Core. S has four reactors - two in the legs and two in the shoulders, meaning none of them are in the Core Fighter proper. And yet it has its own independent engine blocks. And what's more, although on its own it's focused on only its own survivability rather than combat use it can be combined with S Gundam standardized parts like boosters and weapons for independent fighting. Not unlike Primroses.
So now my best guess is Primrose II has an electricity source for its independent propulsion but it's not a full-blown reactor similar to G-Core. This way Primrose II can do what it needs to do and Woundwort's power output is still generated from the three units as stated.

>>23400334
> I don't believe you can slap the Primrose side binders onto it and mount a missile pod, winch cannon or thrusters onto that
Yeah you can. Literally anything can slap those on; see here with the Barzam just getting armpit clips to facilitating mounting the optional equipment. TR-S also uses them, so does the Thethuthinnang in the first place. If you mean "as a corefighter" then yeah, probably not, but as just a unit itself it is primarily an escape pod rather than anything else, and the Primrose II was designed specifically to fit the same dimensions and in the same places as the Primrose I - they call that out specifically because the Hyzenthlay and Hyzenthlay II share the exact same upper body components.
>After looking around a bit I wonder if it's a situation like S Gundam's G-Core. S has four reactors - two in the legs and two in the shoulders,
GENERATORS. Not reactors, generators. The S has generators in the shoulders and legs. You need to stop conflating these two things...

>>23400334
That makes a lot of sense

>>23398919
Will we get a front-facing picture of the core Hazel hrair unit within the next 10 years?

>>23400440
Much sooner than you expect , the last two volumes have been building up to its bio for the 100th volume

>>23400440
Voices on my head suggests either this Friday or more likely next Friday.
>>23400442
More like last dozen.

SEX

>hazenthley II was created before the hazenthley
can someone explain this to me please

>>23400770
Anyone who doesn't like this deserves to be thrown into a camp

>>23400816
I mean it's a very cool design but I still can't dig the OC height

>>23400806
Haze'n-thley was planned during Haze'n-thley II's development as a way of using these upgrade parts to modernize Hazel too. Following the naming convention, the TR-6 model is marked as "II" and by extension the TR-1 unit doesn't have the number. In this case don't think of them as necessarily sequential, just maintaining consistency with the pattern.
Shrimple!

>>23400840
thanks anon, i'm still new to aoz and i like seeing the little quirks of the development process like that
the confusion makes it feel more believable

>>23400844
The naming scheme is actually noted to even be confusing and inconsistent in-universe due to miscommunication, especially caused by the late-war chaos. Some of it is to explain IRL changes and clarifications, but not all.
For example, Haze'n-thley II has also been called Advanced Woundwort EX or Gabthley H

I've seen some japanese twitter discussion about [Hrududu Hrair]'s parts and how they parallel TR-6's standard parts so I tried to visualize some theories.
Some of these are obvious, like the [Hrair] nosecone-boost pod unit and [Woundwort] multi-connector boost pod or the weapon containers - which we still don't know how they differ besides the shape.
Likewise the high mega cannons are rather similar, main difference being TR-6's supporting struts. But again, we don't know enough about TR-S's version to compare them properly.
Another idea is the gigantic arm units compared to CBS. They're both composite weapons with all-range functions, TR-6 even uses them as sort-of giant arms in the [Hrairoo II] form.
Lastly the addon boosters - their functions are pretty similar, but there's a lot of differences in structure and fundamental approach, like TR-6's CBS addon boosters being built-in as a pair whereas TR-S works as two separate units.
The overall impression comes across as TR-6 taking cues from TR-S's approach - and of course both using mostly the same data as basis - leading to a somewhat more integrated and optimized designs.
Which fits the general vibe of them: TR-S is of course its own machine, but it still gives off the impression of being a [Hazel] on steroids, to the point a fair share of the gear are still fundamentally the same parts with upgrades attached. Meanwhile TR-6 is very much so a new thing, streamlining everything and involving more innovative and unusual solutions and approaches.

>>23400891
lowkey I'm more excited for the hrududu hrair volume than hazel hrair

>>23400806
In aoz a TR-6 unit with the II isn't a sequel to a suit. It's a TR-6 with option parts to replicate its combat capabilities

>>23400924
How is it replicating the combat abilities of a suit that was developed after it? Wouldn’t it be the other way around?

>>23400932
They were developed together, with [Haze'n-thley II] being the focal point and [Haze'n-thley] as a way of getting more value out of the design because it had to go against the core concept of TR Plan to appease the higher ups. Either way, they're both fulfill the role of "Gundam" in the most classic sense, as an all-purpose high spec unit.

>>23400891
Are these boosters on any sort of kit? I prefer them to the back skirts on my Haze'n-thley II

>>23400945
Nope. Best hope is for EW make a HZII bootleg and it includes the ReBoot redesign parts.

>>23400957
Between the Reboot Hrududu, Vervain, and the ReHaze, there are so many AoZ kits I'd kill to see. I wish I wasn't a snapshitting poorfag RETARD and I could make them myself

>>23400945
Nope. There are 3rd party versions like watership 4.5 but good friggin luck getting that stuff if you live in the west.
This is a pretty fancy example, but they sell the binders specifically too. Just kind of a pain to check their store.
>filename
a-anon...

>>23400816
I think the back booster pod units and the gigantic arms units look pretty bad honestly. Everything else about the Hrair is sex though.

>>23400932
If it helps it make any more (or perhaps less) sense for you, the upper body parts are exactly the same, which is what makes them Hyzenthlay really. The second the upper body parts were completed, they just needed to be plugged onto a primrose to form the Hyzenthlay. In essence, neither the II nor the I came first - they came at the same time, the second they finished production of the top fighter. It's splitting hairs whether they plugged it on a TR-6 or a TR-1 for deployment first, because it could just as well be either.

>>23401334
nitpicking really but they're not QUITE exactly the same, TR-1's structure doesn't have to account for a transformation system so the central red part is shorter and without a vulcan at the end, and "behind" that it's more or less the same structure as Primrose on Owsla rather than Primrose II parts.
Also we know TR-6 was actually deployed and used, whereas it's still up in the air whether TR-1 was built at all.

>>23401585
The TR-6 version was the suit Elliard destroyed right?

>>23401599
That + Black Hares had at least one which eventually became ReHaze.

>>23401603
A kit with Black Hares colors and the peace sign hands would absolute cinema

>>23400969
Speaking of which, new stuff from them.
Even if it's hard for us to buy at least they're cool variants to look at.

>>23401712

>>23401713

>>23401712
Black Hares Hrair in white high heels... sexy...

why do aoz kits have to be so hard to find
some of these havent been printed since 2020, all i want is a haze’n-thley

>>23401868
you can find some legit ones on ali with a relatively small markup

>>23401868
All that's left is praying for bootlegs and restructuring of p-bandai

>>23401879
do you have any tips for actually finding them on ali? i don’t know if im just a brainlet but i can never find anything i’m looking for on there, and using the image search is giving me ones that are marked up extremely high

>>23401882
hm it seems the only listing it gives now is a hzii rah with a picture of the hazenthley

We have Black Otter and Black Hares teams, think there could be other ones? What could they be called?

>>23401934
Black Dog sounds like a good name for a warcrime squad.

>>23401934
i like the back skirt swap but the feet obviously dont fit

>>23402302
That'd be a little awkward... unless that's what you're referencing, that is.
On second thought it might not be a problem at all, I can't imagine the OYW Black Dog squad still exists after the war so there's no risk of confusion. I think there's some room for interesting suit nicknames too. Watership Down itself does have a dog, but he's named, like, Bob or something. Black Hares proved we can have other inspirations with Kelderek and Holst so...
How about RX-121 Gundam [Hazel Barghest]?
Dogs from british folklore are still thematically adjacent and could be a nice theme for a black ops squad with a different vibe than Black Hares. Maybe some Psycommu research too? Getting assigned to participate in Psycho Gundam testing and following projects... a dog turning into a (Wear)wolf.
>>23402410
The skirt makes for a nice Refined Barzam link but yeah the feet are a bit silly. As much as I personally prefer this style of feet to Katoki slippers I can't deny it's hard to make other shapes work with the geta boosters.

Would I be an idiot if I got a titans teat team tattoo

>>23402527
only if you're a sperg who gets flustered if asked to explain what it is or where it comes from

but by all means, tat your teats

>>23402302
>Black Dog sounds like a good name for a warcrime squad.
just ask Sailor Moon

>>23402477
>>23402534
I wasn't aware it was already a thing. Anyways, here's their theme song
>https://youtu.be/Es4N8Hwjoac?list=RDEs4N8Hwjoac

>>23402477
Is Cerberus/Kerberos too on the nose? An [Advanced Kehaar II] with the head beam cannon and one in each arm would fit the name pretty well

>>23402617
>I wasn't aware it was already a thing.
by this point Black Dog has probably drawn the sailor senshi more than the key animators and Takeuchi combined
>>23402617
https://youtu.be/yBuub4Xe1mw

>>23402635
bit too upbeat for doing warcrimes no? Then again "Fortunate Son" is the official song for dropping napalm on farmers, so maybe upbeat is the way to go

>>23402621
umm

Hurricane is Sazabi

pt2

>>23402644
different universe, doesnt count. Besides, CE straight up has shit like GOUF and ZAKU

F91 Harrison Custom Luminae, was torn whether to do white horns or yellow horns. Yellow was more bold

>>23402645
>>23402648
>>23402652
...nonny?

F91 Lumi pt2

F91 Lumi pt3

Serpent Custom Stego

Master Gundam Stellaris

>>23402654
>>23402656
>>23402658
>>23402661
ANON

Master pt2

>>23402662
>>23402653
what's up

mods reverse the spin of every molecule of anon's body

Building Woundwort kits feel like such a fucking drag for some reason. The fact that I have a little over half a dozen of them on the backlog doesn't help either.

oops my bad wrong thread guys

What'd I miss?

>>23402686
like a dozen pics of mecha break strikes in gundam colors, no AoZ stuff

>>23402650
Fair point and even fairer point, I reckon a [Cerberus] could be fine if it's fitting. I was thinking about focusing on ones from british folklore so they're not too far off thematically (Kelderek is from another Richard Adams novel and Holst was English) but if it works it works. Also there's only a few black dogs like that with an actual name rather than "Black Dog of Northern Cockshire" or whatever.

Black Dog for Titans
Black Zog for AEUG

think the madlad might post the Hrair volume today?

>>23402772
I fear the world might not be ready.

>>23401934
Black Walrus Team

>>23402707
we can go further back and pull on some gaelic/celtic shit. Pretty sure there's some dogs there

>>23402842
that just sounds like a fetish pornstar squadron

>>23402715
Black Wog for Torrington Base

>>23402857
After they started putting high heels on their MS I wouldn’t be surprised

>>23402931
fuck you, heels on mecha are MANLY

>>23402962
Unf.
Gabthley in any form makes my heart go doki doki...
so long as it's in anything but standard colors anyway

>>23402965
I think they're intentional to evoke a cicada

>>23402979
Gabthley always felt more like a fly to me. Iirc the katakana spelling is pretty close to "gadfly" too.
But either way the problem is that it's poop-colored. Give it any other paintjob at all and it's lovely, downright kissable.

>>23402989
something like this?

>>23402994
>mwah!

Gabthley Beta is rather AoZ-coded if I dare say so myself, and a really neat design in general. Especially now that it's in GBO2 and we have a better look at the model than in UC Engage.
>Sleek legs change the impression without losing the Gabthley feel
>Claws are slightly reminiscent of Messala, conveying the connection to Scirocco
>They're a relatively simple movable frame structure attached onto the arm, could be used by other suits too
>pair of shield boosters specialized for use in MA mode
>reinforced chest plating, likely descended from chobham armor
>redesigned antennas look a bit less alien but in turn more robust and strong, giving it a bit of a Gundam vibe despite the face
>idk what's up with the Fedayeen II honestly
All in all it's a nice take on an enhanced, commander-use Gabthley variant.

>>23403045
first time seeing this thing. What's the lore on it? From a quick video it just looks like a Gabthley with sub-arms stapled onto the shoulders but no new guns or capabilities

>>23403068
The long (and short, as usual for Engage we don't have much to work with) is it's a late war commander variant of Gabthley.
Combat results proved the viability of variable suits like Gabthley and Hambrabi so they were organized into dedicated squads. Gabthley was chosen as basis for a commander unit due to its all around high performance. It has enhanced armour, communication equipment and sensors, a Fedayeen II rifle specialized in sniping and the shoulder beam cannons were replaced with shields that double as boosters in MA mode. To make up for the loss of firepower it has a pair of missile launchers on the hips.
Apparently several units were used as squad leaders in the three-way chaos at the final stages of the war and performed well.

It was mentioning here a good while back, I remember back then people noted it's a bit strange for a commander unit with the focus on armour and long range combat. There was a theory that it was especially intended for handlers of Cyber Newtype squads - well suited to directing them and supporting from a distance while having the self defence options and extra armour to ensure higher survival rates for a comparably more valuable pilot. It was just some musing though, there's no real indication of that.

>>23402686
Guy's a retarded schizo that spams dead threads with images for whatever schizo nonsense is polluting his mind.