Thread 23399935

G Gundam started the whole "every nigga gets a gundam" situation but you guys aren't ready to talk about it.

The only time "everyone gets a Gundam" is a problem narratively is in Universal Century. It's fair game in any other continuity.

>>23399935 (OP)
Fuck off retard.

>>23399936
if only it made for good shows (g is fine though)

>>23399936
It worked with the Ground Gundams though, mostly because they're canonically dogshit and don't actually provide that much more than a GM.
My only gripe with the AUs doing it is wing, the Sandrock and Shenlong/Altron do jack shit in the show despite apparently being the official strongest ones besides the Wing/WZ

>>23399935 (OP)
faggot

>>23399935 (OP)
My gripe with it is when they add more Gundams to the One Year War.

>>23399935 (OP)
It made sense for the setting where not having a Gundam puts you at a major political disadvantage.

>>23400096
At this point MS development in early UC is a space cocaine fueled nightmare

>>23399935 (OP)
ZZ actually. The Mark II and Zeta were still active.

>>23400028
>canonically dogshit
>the MS that can no sell direct shots to the cockpit from a Zaku's magella cannon
>the MS that can fight on par against Goufs, Efreets, Gelgoogs and even the survive against the Pale Rider

Objectively wrong in every possible regard.

>>23400485
Those were legacy suits brought over and from the previous season and changed pilots every episode, not the same deal as "there's 4 fucking gundams in the first episode and 4 more coming mid season".

>>23400495
>and 4 more coming mid season".
G Gundam didn't do that either, only Domon got a mid-series upgrade

>>23400485
Don't forget the Hyaku Shiki

>>23400485
>ZZ
>>23400495
>>23400520
>>23400632
The also call the ZZ group the Gundam Team

>>23400491
>the magella cannon bullshit
>from a one off segment added to pad out a bluray release

Also the Ez8 keeping up with a Gouf really isn't that wild. The Ez8 had just been fully refitted and repaired while that Gouf was likely overdue for service given that there was a clear lack of ammo going into the final deployment. Ground GM really don't get to show off at all in the show but seem to be as capable as a Ground Gundam even carrying beam sabers and using beam weapons in the show. They really just have slightly weaker armor, no vulcans, no chest gun, and no backpack but the pack could probably be added on after the fact

>>23400173
It makes sense that if they are just starting making mobile suits that they'd try a whole bunch of shit to see what works. I mean the earth federation is fucking massive i'd expect them to make more than just one gundam

>>23400647
Some of that is just Japanese grammar. Like the equivalent of using [Person]-tachi to refer to a group.

>>23400759
They specifically use the name 'Gundam Team' (literally, "ガンダム チーム"), it's not just a more generalised wording being over-specified in translation

>>23399935 (OP)
Don't you mean the Gundam Team in ZZ?
Regardless if they were mostly from previous series, everyone's got a Gundam.
Yes, Hyaku is Gundam.

>>23400894
>Hyaku is Gund-ACK

>>23400096
I'm cool with Ground Gundams.
I'm less cool with all the others. As much as G4 and G5 are cool looking, it muddles up shit when there's like 3 Pegassus Classes around and 6 Gundams.
Not to mention Pixy, fuck I hate Pixy. And theres mulitple Pixies at that.
Then Mudrock etc.

>>23399935 (OP)
Every nigga should get a Gundam except OP becaus he is a faggot

>>23400894
yeah, gundam is no longer a yes/no thing, these days it's more like a spectrum

>>23400904
Is it really muddled? It's not like they're confused for each other. It's not like you confuse Master Chief with other spartans

>>23400946
Well it doesn't make sense when they call Amuro's "The Gundam" or "The White Devil" when there's several Gundams and they all (mostly) have the same amount of white to their color scheme.

>>23400902
It does get literally called a "Gundam-type" in ZZ

>>23400958
I mean, he became known as the The White Devil due to his actions as the pilot of the Gundam, not just due to its look. Even if it's not a proper Ace nickname like "The Red Comet", since it's actually about the suit, it's still similar in that sense.

>>23400946
Master Chief was, from the start, one of many
The Gundam was, from the start, a one-of-a-kind prototype, with awkward additions being bolted on by later entries
Also just the broader issue of the compressed timeframe of the whole thing. In the original show you've got the Gundam just completing its testing and getting prepped to be shipped to Earth in September 0079, and GMs not seeing deployment until November 0079. Then you look at something like 08th MS, and now there's multiple teams of limited-production Gundams out on deployment already on the day of Garma's funeral

>>23400958
That's Amuro's moniker. He has that reputation because he did those things. Nobody accidentally attributes Amuro or the RX-78-2's accolades to any other Gundam or pilot, either.

It's also not like there are a lot of OYW stories where they keep repeatedly mistaking another Gundam for Amuro's model or say, Johnny Ridden for Char. E.g., no one in 0083 looks at Kou's GP01 and shits himself, thinking it's the White Devil. No one does the same for the Alex either.

There's like a grand total of maybe 3 stories where it happens once in each story, or maybe some throwaway line from a game 20 years ago. Hardly something that actually causes pain and frustration in the fandom, and usually played for laughs more than not.

Besides, you can still be called "the [whatever]" and it'll make sense as long as the context is there.

>>23400985
>Master Chief was, from the start, one of many
>The Gundam was, from the start, a one-of-a-kind prototype, with awkward additions being bolted on by later entries
So it was never about how many of them there are, just that retcons are undesirable in general? That's a different type of complaint then, >>23400958 was complaining that they all look similar but only one gets recognition.

>>23401027
>That's a different type of complaint then, >>23400958 was complaining that they all look similar but only one gets recognition.
Not that Anon, but it reads more like his point is that it doesn't make sense that Amuro's would be singled out as THE Gundam, or THE White Devil when there's all these other white Gundams out fighting at the same time. It's not that only one's getting recognition, it's the same point about how 0079 presents Amuro's Gundam as THE singular Gundam, while later shows/games/whatever retcon it as being just A Gundam

>>23401843
He's still the one in the frontlines taking down some of the most famous Zeon Aces. Becoming famous with an unique title is normal even if there are other Gundams.

>>23401027
More like if there was several different jedi all onboard the first death star trying to blow it up.

>>23400715
More that "X was developed based on the data of Y and Z" kind of falls apart when its a string of eight completely different MSes within five months

>>23401887
But the situation is more like there are several different Jedi, but only one was at the Death Star and thus gets the recognition for fighitng off Vader and blowing it up.


Obviously the Gundam dealing with Zeon's most famous Ace alongside other famous Aces would be more fmaous than the ones in secret operation or dealing with a couple of Aces who aren't nearly as famous as the Red Comet.

>>23401916
>But the situation is more like there are several different Jedi, but only one was at the Death Star
Maybe if you only take one extra source onboard. If you go for only MSV, where they're mostly paper panzers, or only one or two games, where they all fought in other battles and never encounter each other.

But at a point with all the games, manga, etc, you have to call it somewhere and say "okay that shit didn't happen". There's too many.

>>23400028
>mostly because they're canonically dogshit
Ground types are just as good as RX-78-2 on earth, you are mistaking pilot quality for mobile suit quality

>>23400917
>Gundam is a spectrum
My sides are no more anon

>>23400028
>sandrock doesn't do shit
This is like complaining about Bright not doing shit. Quatre is the equivalent of the ship's captain commanding the team. Sandrock is the "strongest" in terms of being able to take a beating.
Altron does nothing because its pilot is a little shit, not because the suit itself sucks.

>>23401930
The real issue is 08th MS team's directors can't direct a fight with 60 foot tall robots worth a damn. Mobile Suits are supposed to be, well, mobile but the story wants to treat them like they're tiny Votoms guys. Even Spider-Gour was basically Kanda reusing ideas from the Bounty Dog fight.

>>23402275
There is contrarian and then there is retard, you are retard.

>>23401027
>So it was never about how many of them there are, just that retcons are undesirable in general?
Yeah, kind of. The Feddies being so far behind Zeon in MS development was an important point in the original show, so it sticks out like a sore thumb for later works to throw in so many different Feddie MSs
There's obviously degrees of it. The 08th MS example came to me immediately because it's so stark in where it consciously establishes itself in the setting; that first episode opening with multiple MS Teams prepping their Gundams, and ending with characters watching the funeral speech, meaning all those Gundams were already knocking about when Amuro was getting his ass kicked by Ral for the first time (actually, now I think about it, that means there were Gundam teams in Asia just as the White Base was about to cross the Pacific and reach Asia itself, god damn). It's very incongruous. Whereas something like the Alex from WitP ("a second Gundam prototype was still being tested, not yet ready for deployment, in late December 0079") isn't all that egregious a retcon, its scope is narrow enough that it doesn't really step on any toes

>>23401905
>More that "X was developed based on the data of Y and Z" kind of falls apart when its a string of eight completely different MSes within five months
they're all pretty fucking samey, the only reason you think they're different is because a bunch of them are drawn by different people with differing art styles when in UC land it's intended to be more like pic related
you have proto gundam
clown gundam
gundam with magnet coating
improved space gundam with big gatling
improved space gundam with big beam cannon
improved land gundam with guncannon cannons
effeminate gundam with daggers
gundam with armor clothes
etc, etc

>>23402278
>Gouf vs Ez8 the greatest fight ever dot mp4

>>23402278
Go watch the original Gundam. The RX-78-2 is easily the most agile MS in UC. It moves like an actual human being.

>>23402363
The NT-1 shouldn't be the same. It had a totally different structure from conventional. Even older sources say it used a layered armor structure that would shift for increased mobility, while newer sources say it had a proto-movable frame, which was inherited by the GM Quel and served as the basis for the full movable frame in the Mk-II. Either way, it's generally considered to be a sort of 1.5 gen MS, being the precursor and foundation for 2nd gen MS.

>>23402412
>-2

>>23402363
I wasn't just talking about the Gundams. There's just been way too much stuff inserted into MS development on both sides of the OYW unless like half of the population of humanity are actually engineers
I'm not gonna harp on like an autist about muh suspension of disbelief or whatever but it's just funny every time they cram more offshoots and inbetweens to sell a couple more kits

>>23400946
>>23401027
If you've read the Halo CE instructions manual, you'd know there were always more cyborg supersoldiers. But Bungie never cared for consistency so who cares.

>>23402419
>Even older sources say it used a layered armor structure that would shift for increased mobility
Pretty sure that's just a reference to the NT-1 having optional chobham armor, and the chobham armor having moving panels, not that the NT-1's base armor was specifically different from the base RX-78. The explanation for the Alex name was that it was actually a silly acronym (Armored Layers EXperimental) because it was the first Gundam to be specifically designed to equip an optional full armor package. At that point in 1989, the MSV lore was that the Feds had developed the full armor addon parts for the original Gundam but they were considered a failure and had to be redesigned into the Heavy Gundam which was a heavy MS with thicker non-removable armor, but the Feds still wanted the "best of both worlds" solution with an agile high speed (high sensitivity newtype-compatible) MS that could equip heavy armor if it was necessary, and the result was the NT-1.

>while newer sources say it had a proto-movable frame, which was inherited by the GM Quel and served as the basis for the full movable frame in the Mk-II
Yeah, I know, but I'm not certain that really means it's no longer an RX-78 style body. Have they actually ever explained the extent of the proto-movable frame? When it was still a unique feature of the Quel, it was literally just the forearms, so I wonder how much of the NT-1 could really be that different enough that it would no longer part of the RX-78 line.

>>23399935 (OP)
It was for the best.

>>23400894
>The cockpit is located in the cock
>If you get hit in the cock in the gundam you get hit in the cock in real life
What did Tomino mean by this?

>>23401922
All the side story shit is canon to itself but not to the wider UC.

>>23401922
Remind me why the Pixy was even being considered for Amuro's use? It seemed absolute ass compared to the standard RX

>>23400894
hyaku is a CHAR

>>23405993
For no reason other than to strengthen the White Base, I think. Revil was fond of the White Base and was already sending other stuff like the G-Fighter and Core Booster. It's not really meant to be a upgrade for Amuro to replace his Gundam, it's just a land combat optimized Gundam he could use if they received it and he wanted to. I mean, if he passed on it then someone else could just use it instead.

>>23400659
>Also the Ez8 keeping up with a Gouf really isn't that wild. The Ez8 had just been fully refitted and repaired

You can't be serious. They didn't even send it back to the Jaburo factory to be rebuilt. It was rebuilt in the FIELD with whatever leftover spare parts they had laying around.

Everytime this has been done in real life, the tank is always inferior and jury rigged together.

The Ez8 has beige armor which means it probably they used Ground GM parts to repair it.

>>23406409
>Everytime this has been done in real life, the tank is always inferior and jury rigged together.
Yes but Shiro has protagonist plot armor and therefore could keep up with the superior Gouf Custom on that stat alone.

>>23405935
Most autists on here subscribe to the belief that everything is canon if it was animated when really none of it matters.

>>23407416
Scratch out "canon" with "official" and there you go

Yes, but G Gundam does it right. As natural.

>>23406409
The Ez8 is an improvement over the Ground Gundam though even if it doesn't make much sense.

https://www.gunjap.net/site/?p=406454

From the Robot Spirits description

>The wrecked “Shiro Amada” ground battle type Gundam was refurbished locally using spare parts for the ground battle type GM. Increased armor and slight weight reduction have improved elasticity and maneuverability.

>>23400894
Hyaku Shiki doesn't have Gundam in its name on the model kit. It's not a Gundam.

>>23399935 (OP)
I think the only main series that aren't like that are
>AGE
>Reconguista in G
>G-Witch
>GQuuuuuuX

>>23400894
And Gundam MK. II was mass produced too in Zeta.

>>23406051
getting Sayla a GM would have been a huge combat improvement for the White Base

>>23406016
If only it was red.

>>23399936
Ehhhh if you read into it in UC its more like Everyone gets a "Gundam". AE has a habbit of putting eyes and a v fin on hundreds of grunt suits or even slightly specialized suits and selling them to all sides under the brand of "Gundam". NB4 "that wasnt a thing till thunderbolt" no its been a plot thing for a while since 08th MS. However other series where everyone including grunt jobber fodder pilots gets a full functioning all bells and whistles state of the art gundam (seed, G, gbitch) then it gets iffy. At least G gundam doesnt take itself as serious and is pretty good to watch

>>23401905
That is how it works irl though. The US army for example has tens of variations and hundreds of test types throughout history of its vehicles and weapons. A slight tweak to an existing design will oftentimes no shit make a new LIN and it suddenly becomes a seperate end item. Now imagine with the earth federation, an entire planets worth of logistics, the argument against oyw gundams switches from "why are there so many?" to "can we have a new story about another UC event for fucks sake?"

>>23400759
>Gundam-gun