Thread 23400920

I recently watched A Wakening of the Trailblazer, so I'm making a thread about it.
What is your thoughts on the movie? I thought it was pretty good.

It's not good. Not really even worth watching unless you just really miss seeing the cast from the show.
Now that movie within the movie, Celestial Being, is baller.

>>23400920 (OP)
I wish Gadelaza and Raphael amounted to more, Graham dying is just bullshit though I know the stakes are high but killing the meme character?

>>23401079
>Graham dying is just bullshit though

he lived, bitch

>>23401102
doesn't count until he's in something like 00 Freedom or shit. Where the fuck is S3?

>>23401075
>It's not good.
What makes you say so?

>>23401196
They should make versions of them in GXVS2, they'd be fun variations and they already got how many suits for Setsuna alone as is?

It's mostly solid. I can understand some of the issues people have with it.
>it's more like Macross thematically than Gundam
>Descartes Shaman
>in the end it all comes down solely to Setsuna with nobody else having any agency or big role to play

>>23401196
>What makes you say so?
I'm not going to say the movie doesn't try to be different because it does, and I think it even succeeds at being different, but it feels mostly like just a vehicle to sell more palette swap model kits than a proper epilogue to the TV show. Nobody really needed to come back for anything plot related nor character arc related besides Setsuna and that resolution could have easily been an episode 50 ending.

>>23401102
Was that in one of the side mangas 2 people read?

>>23400920 (OP)
It's just fine. Not great, but it exists, it just doesn't really fit with 00, or the other Gundams for that matter. I get they had to do something with the "dialogues to come" plot point but it just felt out of place and generic desu in execution.

There are a couple pros though. The ELS are probably the most compelling "villain" even though they weren't really evil, though that isn't saying much considering Ribbons and the other retard with the god complex are the most boring aspect of one of the most interesting entries in the series. The QAN[T] is also a really cool MS, it's a big step up in design from the budget-cut S2 suits, I just wish we got to see it do more. Finally there was some capacity of Feldt and Setsuna romance, I don't care how little it makes sense plotwise, Feldt is 10x better than Marina in every regard.

>>23401760
I meant franchise not series

>>23401753
No, some stage play sequel they made for the show's 10th anniversary.

>>23401760
>Feldt is 10x better than Marina in every regard.
Not that hard considering Marina was never a love interest.

>>23400920 (OP)
>Sausage Mizushima
>Truth Furuya

>>23401760
Feldt was competing with the Gundam, not Marina though.

The parody was better than the actual movie.

>action movie lacked a final boss

Manga adaptation was much better at raising the stakes late-game. The culmination of multiple ELS raisers would have made it much dreadfully clear that mankind stands no chance brute-forcing their way through this. That only with the Quanta could they reach some form of ceasefire that would save everyone.

>>23402657
>made it much dreadfully clear that mankind stands no chance brute-forcing their way through this. That only with the Quanta could they reach some form of ceasefire that would save everyone.
It was already clear when 80% of the EF army died in like 2 hours and most of the named characters were about to die/get absorbed by the ELS right before Setsuna communicated with them. Did you even watch the movie?

>>23401106
>Where the fuck is S3?
Be patient, I feel like they're purposely avoiding 00 stuff until 2027 and go full force. They did lowkey confirm thatan 00 project will happen in 20th anniversary

>>23400920 (OP)
I'm disappointed that 00 QANT had so little screen time. Hell I've only seen the movie scene once, but iirc QANT was pretty much used to rush to the horde and then Setsuna talk no justsu the ELS.

>>23401760
Marina is his mother/incest. Feldt can still be his wife. You know, Gundam and celibacy not included.

meh it felt unnecessary, it's just oh you have aliens that are just eating shit well USE THE POWER OF UNDERSTANDING HARDER

>>23400920 (OP)

It's the most amazing thing that ever existed. Because it introduced the Sol Brave's. The latest evolution of the Flag.

As the the plot of the movie... Meeeeeh... The aliens concept isn't a terrible idea... And they went pretty original with it... But it was all based on Newtype like hax. Innovator. Whatever.

Most of the Mobile Suits from the movie are pretty great... Except the 00 Quant. Which was just completely broken because they needed to end the movie. So it teleports. Because why not? Not a bad looking machine, but christ was the ending forced.

I don't think it was bad overall... But the concepts they were going for, kind of ruined it a bit. They hinted at "the dialogues" near the end of the series... But they rushed the concept and it was less for it.

>>23400920 (OP)
Its a vapid stupid little toy commercial and I hated almost all of it. But I really loved the ending. That did a lot of rehabilitation for it in my eyes

>>23403312
about the ending, there's quite literally no reason for Turn A to bitch out, no? There's no war on sight and even if MB reactivates, humanity has already abandoned Earth.

>>23404493
00 Humanity obviously built the Turn X

>>23400920 (OP)
incredible ms design from yanase zabanya/harute/raphael are better than their s1/s2 counterparts
I think about the scene where ELS Setsuna visits marina a lot
>>23401753
Take it back, the 00 side stories were great
>>23403312
every gundam is in part a toy commercial, how was the movie any more egregious in that regard?

>>23404600
If only bandai has the balls to actually give us the info of the roles of each AUs in the dark history, maybe some shit like how 00 is either the end or the beginning of it, how Devil Gundam could be a prototype of turn A or something

I actually liked it a lot as the third act of 00's overarching storyline and how it muses on how the use of force to achieve specific outcomes only begets force returned in kind. I feel like the movie could've actually benefitted by opening with the famous Clauswitz quote about war as a continuation of policy by other means, as it acts as the other side of the coin opposite Einstein's quote of peace being unable to be kept by force: sometimes you end up throwing hands because communication just fails, but to truly bring an end to a conflict requires a commitment to diplomatic means.

>>23404923
Yeah I rewatched it recently as part of a 00 rewatch and it did seem to continue the themes of the show to a logical outcome.

I also liked the human tech level vs invading aliens as it was pretty fresh. Usually it is always present day humanity or muli solar system humanity vs invading aliens. It being humans newly united and just starting to spread in the solar system is pretty rare.

I wish Raphael and Brave are as strong as the other three lorewise, it's criminal how Harute and Zabanya gets to be a literal one man army, Qant goes without saying, but the other two main casts are gimped to hell

>>23404617
You can't convince me the sidestories weren't an excuse to sell more slight variations of variations of existing kits (looking at you 00SS/G)

On that note, why is P-Bandai so inconsistent? They'll make main series MS like the HG Mercurius and Vayeate PB exclusive, but the SS/G is a standard kit with literally one more weapon than the normal sevensword

>>23406424
To be fair the Raphael was some gimped suit Tieria made in secret and didn't even have real GN Drives

>>23406542
CB can't be bothered to give him some more firepower before letting him explode?

>>23400920 (OP)
>Running time: 3 hours 48 minutes
GODDAMNIT SAUSAGE

>>23407331
what, you didn't like the additional 40 mins of that CB chick's tiddies jiggling around?

Frozen tear drops, trailblazer, IBO S2 they each drag their universe down the mud.

>>23400920 (OP)
It was a very logical and obvious sequel to Season 1, and the portrayal of the ELS was at least very different from the usual way anime portrays aliens and first contact. Season 2 was such a distraction it really dragged the entire sub-franchise down.

>>23407936
Awot aged somewhat nicely unlike S2

>>23400920 (OP)
It simply proves that Ribbons was "half right". Humanity needed to be fully armed and militarized in case the "dialogs" went wrong. The human race had been partially de-militarized in the movie. So the military was super weak. If they didn't have 00 Quanta or if Setsuna woke up 1 day later (or even a few hours later), then humanity was doomed.

They should have build more Memento Mori (solar powered orbital cannons) pic related from Season 2. Those energy cannons that could destroy an entire city with a single strike.

All they needed to do was just remove its ability to shoot at the planet. Memento Mori has 2 cannons. The top cannon faces against space. The other faces the Earth. Just remove the bottom cannon that faces Earth. Problem solved. No more protests from Earth governments.

Humanity should have covered the orbital ring with Memento Mori energy cannons. The ELS would have been stopped cold. Ribbons may have been wrong about trying to rule humanity like cattle, but he was right to arm the human race to the teeth with weapons.

60% of the show was bad so I didn't even bother with it.

>>23408325
now they sound retarded for just not shooting the laser at all

>>23408336
>I'm a faggot with no attention span
Many such cases.

>>23408325
How were they supposed to anticipate that aliens were going to randomly show up? Also I really doubt CB would let them start mass producing memento moris.

>>23408825
>How were they supposed to anticipate that aliens were going to randomly show up?
Aeolia Schenberg, the founder of Celestial Being, predicted it. That's why he built the GN drives and forced nuclear power to be retired across the world.

>>23406518
>You can't convince me the sidestories weren't an excuse to sell more slight variations of variations of existing kits (looking at you 00SS/G)
they still have ebikawa making making 00 variants but these days they don't even bother to justify it with a story :(

>>23408325
The problem wasn't that they demilitarized, they actually were still quite militarily capable and had the lead time to arm up.
The problem was at that point in time, after the fallout with ALAWS, the world became a bit apprehensive about answering every problem with force, so in the face of something as utterly alien as the ELS where its intentions are completely unknowable you have the cynical and optimistic parts of humanity bickering with one another over how to deal with the situation without repeating the previous shitshow, plus no one had any idea how the ELS could react to threat posturing; with the benefit of hindsight, one could argue if Ribbons had his way, things would escalate to a point the ELS would've annihilated humanity at minimum, and at worst possible case they would have assimilated the cynical tendencies of humanity and apply overwhelming force against every future lifeform they encounter from then on out.

>>23409058
>one could argue if Ribbons had his way, things would escalate to a point the ELS would've annihilated humanity at minimum, and at worst possible case they would have assimilated the cynical tendencies of humanity and apply overwhelming force against every future lifeform they encounter from then on out.
If Ribbons had his way and completely militarized the Earth, then I would put good money he could beat the ELS invasion.

>>23409081
Not a chance.

>>23409081
>>23409581
I thought the whole point of Descartes in the movie was to show that brute force wouldn't work against the ELS. Despite his battleship sized MA he got wrecked by a relatively small (by ELS standards) force.

>>23410087
Ribbons would have made an ARMY of mobile armors. And multiple orbital lasers and weapons of mass destruction. He would have broke every rule that Celestial Being created. GN nukes, GN colony lasers, Etc. Ribbons would have gone on unchecked if he won in Season 2.

>>23410385
Oh goodie, more WMDs for the ELS to assimilate

>>23410601
Veda predicted that 00 Quanta could destroy the entire ELS fleet and at full output had the power to slice Earth's moon in half.

>>23410631
Ribbons never pursued twin GN drive bullshit, he'd never get to building a 00Q

>>23410640
What are you talking about? Ribbons cracked twin drive technology at the very end of the show with Reborns Gundam. Imagine what terrifying weapons he could create with 2 years to prepare for ELS.

>>23410644
No one knew the ELS were gonna show up in 2 years though

>>23410644
Are you high? GN Taus don't Twin Drive.

>>23410700
>Are you high? GN Taus don't Twin Drive.
They do. The total output is just lower than true GN drives. They also don't have the teleportation ability. But it's still a twin drive.

>>23410631
>Veda predicted that 00 Quanta could destroy the entire ELS fleet
Wasn't that simulation based on using 00 Qan T Full Saber, the ELS not regenerating, and Setsuna fighting for a week straight with no rest?

>>23410640
>>23410644
>>23410700
>>23410714
The bigger issue is Ribbons making true GN drives. I'm not sure Ribbons would get his hands on that tech even if he won at the end of S2.

>>23410735
>The bigger issue is Ribbons making true GN drives. I'm not sure Ribbons would get his hands on that tech even if he won at the end of S2.

Ribbons is fully capable of making true GN drives. But the problem is that true GN drives can only be manufactured in space. IIRC, they can only be made in orbit of Jupiter for whatever reason and it takes around 2 years to make.

>>23410714
It's a twin drive in as much as my colon is a viable source of methane production. The actual proper Twin Drive System, to say nothing of properly built GN Drives as a whole, are on a whole other level compared to what the equivalent Tau setup can do.

>>23410735
The need to maintain a secure route to and from Jupiter is a massive liability in the GN drive mass production process.
Which brings up the funny issue of how once the ELS arrive it kinda locks you out of sourcing future GN Drives without first clearing up the ELS problem.

>>23410748
Yet I believe it was the HG manual that said something to the effect of, because the Reborns Gundam was actually built to support the Twin Drive System from the get-go, while the 00 Raiser is technically just a hardware fix for the 00 Gundam's unstable TDS, that the Reborns Gundam could fight on an even level with the 00 Raiser despite having a "weaker" Twin Drive.That would imply to me at least that a Reborns Gundam with two real GN Drives would be the superior machine.

>>23410813
Yeah, essentially, the system they have allows it to fight on the level of the 00 in concern of the amount of particles generated does for the MS... But without all the special abilities that the 00 receives from the proper GN Drives.

>>23410735
>Wasn't that simulation based on using 00 Qan T Full Saber,
Yes. Apparently Celestial Being had the Full Saber equipment during the movie but decided not to attach it to 00 Quanta before launching.

>the ELS not regenerating.
No. The ELS were not crippled in the simulation.

>and Setsuna fighting for a week straight with no rest?
Yes.


The Veda simulation was done after the events of the movie after Setsuna left with 00 Quanta, and teleported to the ELS homeworld. It basically had a 00 Quanta fully loaded and ready to kill VERSUS the same ELS fleet that humanity fought during the movie. The premise was that Setsuna determined that the ELS were mindless beasts, and communication was not possible. So the ELS had to be exterminated.

The simulation concluded that 00 Quanta Full Saber would annihilate the entire ELS horde if it fought for a week straight (However obviously Setsuna couldn't fight that long). Even with the results of the simulation, CB staff didn't agree. The scientists debated the results of simulation. The main argument was what tactics Setsuna would use. Whether 00 Quanta would just grind down the ELS piece by piece. OR if 00 Quanta could destroy the larger ELS first which would send the smaller ELS into confusion. Other scientists argued that the simulation doesn't take into account the ELS sending in reinforcements.

It was basically a debate among fanboys. Some arguing Quanta would win VS others being more pessimistic.

>>23410631
In the hands of a true Innovator, sure
In the hands of the Innovades? ELS (Small) solos

>>23406645
It was Tieria's first original design without any assistance from Ian or the rest of CB, making use of the production facilities hidden within the walls of the Celestial Being. He couldn't overhaul the production facilities in such a short time-span without getting noticed, so the best he did was repurpose a GNZ design and slap on some transforming pants on the head.

>>23401196
What was the point? It was basically an hour and a half fight scene. All of the characters other than setsuna were just there as set pieces.

I'm a little surprised how lacking humanity was when it came to space ships and defenses in the movie. I was expecting more if the whole Earth was working together to build defenses. I know Celestial Being Asteroid base had a big GN cannon but why didn't Earth build more?

>>23411002
Ribbons would have just created a massive clone army. Its a remake of Star Wars the Clone Wars.

>>23400920 (OP)

I have a technical question.

Can someone explain to me what was going on when the Earth Fleet fired their GN missiles at the ELS?

The missiles worked at first. ELS were exploding. Then it suddenly stopped working.

How did the ELS adapt to the missile attack?

I don't understand the dialog of the scene or maybe I missed something.

Humanity purposely set the missiles to proximity detonate without touching the ELS. So how did the ELS learn to stop it?

>>23400920 (OP)
My one problem with the movie is that it lacked a villain. The ELS felt too bland as an enemy. The movie needed a central figure as a villain. Perhaps an ELS assimilated Ribbons would have worked. Like a King guiding the ELS swarm to destroy Earth.

>>23400920 (OP)
I get the message but I thought that fighting flying nails was pretty boring to watch. I also don't like seeing Setsuna turning into Silver Surfer.

>>23411597
I thought it refreshing that there wasn't a villain even though there was nonetheless an existential threat being faced.
It serves as mankind's final test before spreading to the stars, it's less about good team bad team and more stopping a shitshow conflict before it results in one or both sides being driven to extinction over a stupid mistake.

7/10
Not enough Patrick Colaseur with his wife, should have showed them with 5 children at minimum in the end

>>23403304
The Brave is a good suit. Wish the kit wasn't so fiddly.

>>23400920 (OP)
So how much money did this movie make for CB so they could pump out the Gen 5 Gundams and new GN drives?