Thread 23406810

Gundam never needed saving

don't sneak in Wing with SEED, latter is on whole another level in terms of popularity.

Why is Wing there?
Kira saved Gundam. Kira and Kira alone.
Athrun helped.

>>23406866
What about Shinn?

I cant decide which of these 2 is worse (its wing)

Do Gundam Seed fans just love trolling or they are really tasteless shameless faggots

>>23407116
Worse. They're secretly butthurt EVA fags.

>>23406810 (OP)
Gundam wing saved gundam but it basically bought it time in the 90s.

Seed dead ass revived the series from the brink of death.

Seed saved Gundam because wing was boring and mediocre plus Frozen Teardrops anime might do the opposite of what The Freedom movie did?

>>23407451
>plus Frozen Teardrops anime might do the opposite of what The Freedom movie did?
Are you implying that it would actually be good or that it would actually be bad?

>>23407468
Frozen Teardrops novel was huge disappointment an anime adaptation would leave wing a black eye they will never recover.

>>23407475
Okay but if Wing was boring and mediocre to begin with, then a black eye would be nothing new. Could you maybe be more consistent with your opinion and stop posting like you're using ChatGPT to write for you?

>>23407483
Slow pacing
Messy writing
Lack of good action
One dimensional and unlikable characters (heero and trowa being flat and bland, releana and Dorothy were annoying brats, and Wufei was A sexist treacherous jerk).

>>23406810 (OP)
>Wing
Shouldn't G be there, if you actually wanted to include something animated in 90s (as SD stuff obviously was the king at the time)?

>>23407436
>Seed dead ass revived the series from the brink of death.
This is a retardedly myopic view that's completely blind to how the wider Gundam franchise actually works. Gundam was doing just fine circa 2001, because it doesn't just rely on the currently airing/most recent TV series for its revenue. 1999 and 2000 in particular were solid financial years for Gundam between the launch of the HGUC and PG model lines in 1999, and the MG line's sales going strong (strong enough to even warrant the first MG 1.5 release, after only 5 years). Turn A underperforming was drowned out by strong performance across the rest of the franchise

>>23407498
>Gundam was doing just fine circa 2001.
You think troubled production after troubled production being released and almost all of their gunpla lines flopping hard was a good thing? F91, Victory, G, X, and Turn A all flop and that's 'just fine'?

>>23407511
>and almost all of their gunpla lines flopping hard
Did you just not read my post or what?
> F91, Victory, G, X,
V and G sold fine (which is why they carried on with that approach right up to X, rather than pulling out after V), and were also being released concurrently with strong SD Gundam sales. Because, again, Gundam sales do not come exclusively from the currently airing series. It's a big franchise, which constantly dips into its back catalog and side projects to generate revenue. Bandai can weather taking a hit on Turn A when they can reliably sell a fuckload of new Zaku models or whatever at the same time

Seed didn't save Gundam. It just took it to the next level. !!!!FACT!!!!!!

>>23407518
I read your post quite well actually, it's just very bizarre argumentation. That everything was A-OK because they could still sell Zaku kits.

There were TV series, movies, OVAs, manga out the ass releasing in the 90s, and the best the sales reached was 'fine'. I'm sure the executives saw the billions of yen being poured into all these productions and were quite happy with the negative growth.

>>23407538
>it's just very bizarre argumentation. That everything was A-OK because they could still sell Zaku kits.
Yes, Gundam was doing fine on account of having multiple product lines on the go which were selling well. What are you struggling with here? Are you mentally handicapped?
>and were quite happy with the negative growth.
Growth wasn't negative, you fucking mong. Sales went *up* in 2001 (the year before SEED launched), just like they went up in 1999 and 1998 before it

>>23407556
Look at your image. When do they see significant growth? When they introduce whole new product lines completely independent of their newest shows.
>What are you struggling with here?
This idea that it's actually completely okay for them to waste billions on anime that perform terribly in ratings and have a negligible impact on sales, because they still have old installments to use instead. It actually speaks pretty heavily to Gundam being in a bad place in the 90s if they're producing all these new works and then immediately Dark History-ing all but Wing.

>>23407511
>These totally unbiased sails charts say...
Don't care. Opinion discarded. I still like Gundam. Fuck off.

>>23407568
>When do they see significant growth?
>and have a negligible impact on sales
You are completely retarded if you think anything short of an exceptional success like SEED (which hit heights that the franchise hadn't seen since 198-fucking-2, had it just been on life support for the whole intervening 20 year period?) is 'the brink of death'. It's a completely unrealistic, detached-from-reality perspective
>waste billions on anime that perform terribly in ratings and have a negligible impact on sales,
Again, V, G, and W all saw sales increase on the previous year. F91 even saw a sales increase on the previous year. I also note that 1999, the year of Turn A, saw an overall sales increase. This franchise was not on death's door, was not bleeding money, was not in decline. It was doing well

>>23407519
>It just took it to the next level.
No, Wing took it to the next level. It introduced Gundam to the West. Without Wing, the franchise would have never been introduced to an English-speaking audience. There would be no /m/, and we wouldn't even be talking about Gundam.

>>23408379
Nah was too boring and mediocre to watch it doesn’t age well especially Frozen teardrop crash and burned the wing series.

>23408606
>The ESL thinks its opinion matters
Next stop: Frozen KINOdrop

>>23406810 (OP)
oops wrong pic

>>23407586
>is 'the brink of death'
Those were that other anon’s words, my bad for not dropping a NTA earlier. It obviously wasn’t on the brink of death, I just think the 90’s works underperformed.

>>23406810 (OP)
Gundam was never dying.

>>23406810 (OP)
I'm 30 episodes into Wing and I still don't know how I feel about it. I think the biggest thing is Heero is too autistic. Not in a funny way like Kamille or Amuro could be, he is never not serious and dower

>>23408909
have you seen the dumpy on Lady Une tho

What's the hate for SEED? Should I watch Wing instead?

>>23409044
Crack Noin
Crack Lady Une
Crack Sally Po
Crack Trowa's sister
Any questions?

>>23408379
You are kinda right but not 100%. There was definitely a mecha fanbase in the west since the 80s. I was only a small child back then but even I knew I liked mecha anime more than regular anime back then. I know I'm not the only one, either. There were always other kids at school, people at the mall, hobby stores, online forums, etc who preferred mecha over stuff like dragonball, sailor moon, etc.

While it is true that Wing brought in new fans in the west we would've always been here regardless. Maybe we'd be smaller in number but we definitely didn't *need* Wing to exist.

>>23409078
you can watch both
Wing is like... Zeta if Karaba was the main character
SEED is OYW but without newtypes and with coordinators

SEED bros
WING bros

It’s time we buried the hatchet. We both won.

>>23407475
It was a huge disappointment because the art direction was lackluster and the release schedule was fucked to hell.

>>23409411
get ready for seed and wing shitposting arguments on the level of IBO and G-Reco

>>23409439
>on the level of IBO and G-Reco
Wing and Seed get much more discussions than IBO despite being decades older. IBO was a flop.

>>23406810 (OP)
They are going to kill Gundam by focusing on UC and catering to the boomers again.

>>23407436
X and Turn A were really that shit?

>>23410212
Do boomers still buy gunpla? I thought millennials were the main customer base.

>>23406810 (OP)
GUNDAM IS SAVED
We need more of these than tominoshit

>>23409078
Seed haters are mad because the characters in the anime have sex and they don't
Both Wing and Seed are kino, you can watch both

>>23410509
Noooooo you must consume the can't see shit captain, Hathaway part 2

>>23410848
This explains so much

>>23410848
Seed is literally for middle aged japanese women, and if a man likes it, it means he a closet trans. Come on anon, no one is gonna judge you about self inserting as a genetically engineered pink barbie who's boyfriend is actually the perfect engineered fuck boy in a world of genetically engineered ikemen boys.

>>23410214
X got cancelled from falling ratings and Turn A was enough of a failure that Tomino's sequels for Turn A were cancelled. Hell, it took nearly 2 decades for the Turn A's design to become liked enough, compared to the original raging hatred for betraying the "last Gundam" to an American designer. MS Saga was made from the remains of the aborted Galia Senki sequel, while Turn A Space was salvaged by Tomino into G-Reco.

>Content for some of the worse Gundam series because of muh anniversaries.
>Still no full-fledged, 50 episodes adaptation of F91 + Crossbone.
I hate Bamrise so fucking much.

>>23410947
The irony in this post

>>23410947
They already sold the kits so.....

>>23406882
Dogs only feed on shame.

>>23410947
In what universe are Wing and SEED worse than F91?

>>23410947
Crossbone is peak r*ddit.

>>23410900
Anon, what the fuck are you talking about?

>>23409439
>get ready for seed and wing shitposting
Fuckin BASED. I miss the golden age of Kira "Beamspam" Yamato honestly he's not even a Jesus anymore since Seed Freedom nerfed him but it's for the best desu and Heero being a chuuni. WE ARE SO BACK!

>>23409078
The people who hate Seed are the same people who hate Wing. Wing, Seed and G represent the Toonami era.

>>23409411
The people have spoken.
>cUCk: SHARTaway's TRASH 2: Electric Boogaloo
>2.5M views in 1 month
https://youtu.be/VIg9MD3tIEc?si=MPoK1ezcAzJclvW_

>GODdamn WINGKING
>3M views in 3 days
https://youtu.be/0iaEZzOkcDw?si=Z8XB-qYKgkynvM7C
The people are tired of mediocre UC slop. Wing and Seed get all the views because that's what people want to see. Nobody wants to see that useless faggot Hathaway get cucked and killed.

>>23412033
>The people are tired of mediocre UC slop.
It didn't help that Bamco/Sunrise sat parked on the OYW for roughly 15 years. It wasn't until Unicorn that they started to begrudgingly acknowledge ZZ again and it took Bandai doing the UC Next 0100 initiative and pumping money into, and forcing various creators to do later U.C. content to make them move beyond the OYW slop.

>he's in love with a jeeta
Could never be my heero

>>23412114
The underdog always wins

SEED fucking sucks

>>23414339
Incel detected

>Says "saves gundam"
>Seed instead of G Gundam
What do you mean by this

>>23416552
G was a flop

>>23412114
>t. buttmad UCuck stuck with more space magic and divergent timelines

>>23406866
>Kira and Kira alone.

We don't list men who get cucked by Lacus?

>>23414339
Touch grass incel

>>23406810 (OP)
Wing, Seed and 00 are the trinity savior of gundam due to its sheer coolness of the mecha design. They weren't afraid to be "cringe", cool and edgy instead of semi down to earth realistic like gundams in UC slops.

And then it went downhill
IBO = all garbage except Vidar
WfM = all garbage except Schwarzette
GCucks = ALL TRASH

what happened?

>>23410383
Oldfags buy gunpla yes and Bandai keeps re-releasing UC garbage again, again, again and again to pander to them instead of making Master Grades and Perfect Grades of ACTUALLY NEW GUNDAMS.

IBO still only has 2 MG for fucks sake. IBO IS 10 YEARS OLD AND IT STILL ONLY HAS 2 MGs! (Barbatos and Vidar) AND THE 3RD MG RELEASED SOON IS ANOTHER FUCKING BARBATOS!

>>23407417
grim

>>23417544
This. Even though I don't really like 00 and most of its designs, it's extremely popular for a reason. Same with Wing and Seed. Just honest to god robot anime with edgy teenage pilots yelling at eachother. There's nothing wrong with that and people who dislike it are pseud secondaries larping as true mecha fans. You want "realism"? Go outside. Keep your gay ass bullshit off my robot cartoons and fuck off.

>>23417544
So true!

>>23417544
How other gundam competing? They cant!

>>23411027
I will curbstomp you for saying such heresy.

>>23417320
But enough about Orphee.

mobile poo gundam
mobile poo gundam Beta
mobile poo gundam double beta

>>23416602
Not for me

>>23416602
only because we still haven't gotten a tequila gundam kit. tequila gundam alone would save the franchise

>>23416602
Wait really?

>>23416602
Any evidence for that?

>30th trailer almost at 4m views
So we getting that FT adaptation right?

>>23424212
Ft would suck just like the novel.

>>23424486
But they're making Hathaway which also sucks.